Good guys actually won this shootout at the Hasbara Corral

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I hear that NPR had a very good report on Israel cracking down on dissent; you can see the Jawaher Abu Rahma Killed-by-Israel poster at the link. And the IDF already seems to be abandoning the claim that Abu Rahma wasn’t even at the protest in Bil’in. Hanan Greenberg, who offered the original report that “Palestinians lied” about her teargassing, now tries to walk the story back in Ynet:

Assessments made by IDF officials Monday determining that Jawaher Abu Rahma not only did not choke to death by tear gas but did not even attend the Bilin anti-fence protest prompted the outrage of activists who participated in the rally and saw the woman with their own eyes. On Tuesday, criticism was also leveled by IDF officers claiming that army elements were quick to make assumptions before all the facts had been checked.

“In these types of events, matters should be examined in a thorough and level-handed manner instead of rushing to conclusions based on mere thoughts,” an IDF officer said. He noted that unlike the manner in which the army conducts operational inquiries, the probe in this case was based on Palestinian documents which do not yield concrete conclusions but hypotheses at best.

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  1. Jeff Klein
    January 4, 2011, 10:40 pm

    And now, after IDF/Zioblogger versions a, b, c, d, e and f, have been debunked, its

    “The Israel Defense Forces declined to go on the record about the investigation. Speaking to NPR by phone, right-wing Knesset member Danny Dannon, who belongs to the security committee, says the Palestinians are cynically trying to manipulate the case.”

    • Chaos4700
      January 4, 2011, 11:58 pm

      Danny Dannon, huh? So does “Dannon” orignate from near Hebron? Or Jerusalem? Which part of is Israel does that name come from, again?

      • yonira
        January 5, 2011, 12:09 am

        He was born in Ramat Gan, a suburb of Tel Aviv in 1971. He was born in Israel and knows nothing but Israel. When are you going to start patronizing Muslim children named Muhammed who are born in Detroit or London? Sounds a tad bit racist to me.

      • Chaos4700
        January 5, 2011, 3:12 am

        Racist? I’m white. I’m pretty sure Danny Dannon is white. In fact, I’m pretty sure if you put mine and his (and yours! unfortunately) side by side, they’d be significantly closer than, say, that of Danny Dannon and a Palestinian whose family has lived in Israel for generations upon generations — the same sort of Palestinian you lobby to exclude from your judenreich.

        Of course it sounds racist to you, yonira. That’s how projection works. Although perhaps I give you too much credit by attributing it to an unconscious psychological response. You certainly have demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that, more often than not, you are motivated by malice.

  2. piotr
    January 4, 2011, 10:46 pm

    YNET: “DF officers say army rused to conclude Jawaher Abu Rahma didn’t die of tear gas inhalation”

    This is what I call “improved spelling”. To wit, the “army’s conclusion” was a result of a ruse rather that rush, hence, they “rused to conclude”.

    I am still puzzled why such a hasty retreat? Testimony of Palestinians can be summarily discounted, and leftists are even worse, especially extreme leftists. The initial story in YNET had enthusiastic response, “Fakestinians” were caught with their pants down! And now some other anonymous IDF source criticises the first one for pulling stuff from their asses WITHOUT CHECKING IF IT MAKES EVEN A MODICUM OF SENSE.

    For example, extemporaneous twitter messages are a bit harder to dismiss that testimony of hundreds of Palestinians and leftists. Then there is a little detail that medicine does not know the condition “leukemia or lung cancer”. Why not sarcoma or malaria? And why invent something that can be disproved (medical records can be disclosed with the consent of the family, I presume).

    What we see is something somewhat ironic. Now every human step is recorded so frequently that it is very hard to conduct any kind of terrorist activity. In more primitive areas terror is not gone, but in Israel and the occupied territories, it is pretty much the case. But until Israel “jumps the shark” and goes all the way to the Dark Side, it is also much harder to slander the peaceful resistance.

  3. Pamela Olson
    January 4, 2011, 11:56 pm

    A growing trend, methinks.

    Q: What will the Israeli army have once it can’t simply make sh*t up out of whole cloth?

    A: A lot of ‘splaining to do.

  4. annie
    January 5, 2011, 12:03 am

    unlike the manner in which the army conducts operational inquiries, the probe in this case was based on Palestinian documents

    oh really. iow when the army normally conducts operational inquiries they don’t use palestinian sources. how illuminating.

  5. Donald
    January 5, 2011, 7:54 am

    On the negative side there’s this piece in the NYT today by Kershner–


    The facts are there and you can see from reading it the the Israeli military has nothing, but the tone of the story implies that the Israeli military is sincerely skeptical–

    “The military also said that Palestinian medical officials had not immediately provided the military with the medical reports, a lack of cooperation that the military considered problematic.”

    The headline also dignifies what the Israeli military is doing as a “challenge” to the Palestinian version of events. So it is framed in ethnic terms–who are you going to believe, the Israeli military or a bunch of Arabs?

  6. Light
    January 5, 2011, 12:00 pm

    Isabel Kershner is still peddling the hasbara line at the NY Times calling it a case of clashing narratives.

    link to

    It’s just another disagreement of the facts. As Donald pointed out, who is the American public going to believe?

    • DICKERSON3870
      January 5, 2011, 6:23 pm

      RE: “Isabel Kershner is still peddling the hasbara line at the NY Times” – Light
      FROM ISRAEL SHAMIR, 01/05/11:

      (pertinent excerpt)…The Guardian and the New York Times, Le Monde and Spiegel are quite unable to publish a story unacceptable to Israel. They may pen a moderately embarrassing piece of fluff, or a slightly critical technical analysis in order to convince discerning readers of their objectivity. They may even let an opponent air his or her views every once in a blue moon. But they could never publish a story really damaging to Israel. This is true for all mainstream media.
      Furthermore, no American ambassador would ever send a cable really unacceptable to Israel – unless he intended to retire the next month. Yet even supposing this kamikaze ambassador would send the cable, the newspapers would overlook it.
      Even with thousands of secret cables about Israel in their hands, the mainstream media delays and prevaricates. They don’t want anyone to yell at them. That is why they have postponed publishing the articles. Once forced by circumstance or competition to publish the contents of the cables, you can bet they’ll twist the revelations into toady headlines and bury the truth in the final paragraph…

      SOURCE – link to

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