New McCarthyism: Brooklyn College fires teacher who dared to speak out for Palestinian self-determination

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What follows is a press release from CUNY grad student Kristofer Petersen-Overton following his firing by Brooklyn College, where he was to serve as an adjunct prof, over an academic paper in which he analyzes the role of sacrifice and martyrdom in Palestinian society. The story is in the Daily News today. And in the NY Post, “Anti-Israel” Professor Canned. WPIX also has the story, pretty fair, though they blur the face of Petersen-Overton’s student denouncer. Note that City Councilman Dov Hikind says that efforts to “understand” suicide bombers must not be undertaken at American institutions. Also in that report, Petersen-Overton, who worked for the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights in Gaza, says that he is a vocal supporter of the Palestinian right to self-determination and that the reports on his paper are “slander.”

Kristofer Petersen-Overton, a political science doctoral student at the CUNY Graduate Center, has been fired from his position as an adjunct professor at Brooklyn College one week before his course on Middle East politics was slated to begin.

The case was taken up by the Brooklyn College administration after a student enrolled in his course raised concerns that Mr. Petersen-Overton’s alleged pro-Palestinian bias would prevent him from conducting a balanced seminar. The student expressed these concerns with the political science department but agreed not to pursue further action until after the course actually began. However, this student contacted state Assemblyman Dov Hikind, who then characterized Mr. Petersen-Overton as “pro-suicide bomber” in a letter to the college President.

In a response sent to Hamodia newspaper on Wednesday, Mr. Petersen-Overton expressed concerns “that a state official would denounce my work so strongly without, apparently, having offered it more than a cursory reading. [Hikind’s] press release … is slander pure and simple.” Mr. Petersen-Overton emphasized that his work has little to do with suicide bombers and that Mr. Hikind deliberately twisted his conclusions to make it appear otherwise.

“I was not contacted by Brooklyn College administration at any time during their decision-making process. This politically motivated action undermines CUNY’s longstanding legacy as a stalwart defender of academic freedom,” Mr. Petersen-Overton said.

The allegations against Mr. Petersen-Overton center on time he spent in the Gaza Strip working for the Palestinian Center for Human Rights and on an unpublished scholarly paper ["Inventing the Martyr"] that analyzes the symbolic place of martyrdom in Palestinian nationalism. Petersen-Overton’s detractors also took issue with the fact that, according to his personal website, he still maintains “close contact” with the Palestinian activist community.

Mr. Petersen-Overton’s academic work deals broadly with issues of identity formation in Israel and Palestine.

64 Responses

  1. Gellian
    January 27, 2011, 12:46 pm

    If you aren’t Ward Churchill, the only reason you get fired as an academic, ever, is for not being sufficiently pro-Israel.

    Every academic out there knows that. None will talk about it. But they all know it.

    • annie
      January 27, 2011, 12:52 pm

      the only reason you get fired as an academic, ever, is for not being sufficiently pro-Israel.

      you crack me up! any source docs? name names. what a fantastical quote.

      • Philip Weiss
        January 27, 2011, 12:57 pm

        i echo annie’s scoffery about such a blanket statement.

      • Gellian
        January 27, 2011, 1:05 pm

        Huh. That’s because neither of you guys are academics.

        Phil, you’re always talking about self-censorship among journalists, etc. It’s much worse for untenured profs. Even tenured ones realize they limit their career choices by taking unpopular positions about Israel.

        Don’t believe me? Read again what Schlomo Sand says in his book — he waited till he was a full professor with no further advancement possible before writing his book.

        And he’s IN ISRAEL!

        It’s worse here.

      • Chaos4700
        January 27, 2011, 1:08 pm

        Gellian rather makes a cogent point. His original statement is a bit hyperbolic but there is truth in his sentiment. And it isn’t just journalism or academics — by and large, the entertainment industry here operates under similar blacklists.

      • Psychopathic god
        January 27, 2011, 1:12 pm

        Shlomo Sand said that, too: that it’s worse in the US than in Israel.

      • Sin Nombre
        January 27, 2011, 1:22 pm

        Well, Gellian’s comment might have been too … blanketous so to speak. But we sure know what’ll get you fired as an academic if Dov Hikindesque politicians had their wish … with no little evidence being that there are indeed precisely such politicians in the U.S. Congress.

        Calling Chuck Schumer! Calling Gary Ackerman! Calling Jerry Nadler! Calling ….

        Oh, wait, no problem: They’re all liberals who’ve always said they absolutely treasure intellectual and academic freedom….

      • Gellian
        January 27, 2011, 1:25 pm

        “what pro israel academics have been fired for their views on israel? ”

        Jesus you’re a poor reader of other people’s writings. This is the most disturbing dyslexia I’ve ever seen. Read again what I wrote.

        I’m more freaked out that this is like the third or fourth time you’ve completely reversed in your head what I say.

        I don’t mean to be rude, but it is kind of concerning.

      • annie
        January 27, 2011, 1:31 pm

        oh, you’re right! i misread your sentence. sorry.

      • hophmi
        January 27, 2011, 5:33 pm

        What complete nonsense. If you’re not sufficiently pro-Palestinian, you may not get hired by a Middle East Studies department in the first place.

        MESA is overwhelmingly pro-Palestinian. My alma mater, Vassar, employs several pro-Palestinian professors in their history and poli-sci departments and none who could be described as pro-Israel.

        There isn’t any evidence here to prove that this professor’s departure had anything to do with his politics. He’s an adjunct. They get canned all the time. And complain all the time.

        The real question is why CUNY is allowing someone who is barely a masters graduate to teach.

      • Pixel
        January 27, 2011, 10:50 pm

        Gellian,

        You’re absolutely correct!

      • Pixel
        January 27, 2011, 10:57 pm

        Gellian,

        You’re absolutely correct! If you’re in academics, you know.

        name names…

        Norman Finkelstein, 2007, DePaul University
        Fired?
        No, denied tenure —> “resigned”
        Same difference.

      • pjdude
        January 28, 2011, 3:58 am

        well history and the law is pro-palestinian

    • Chaos4700
      January 27, 2011, 1:06 pm

      It isn’t the only reason — although, I think a revised statement that would work is, if you choose to support Palestinian rights, your job will be threatened, both internally and externally, at the institution you teach, in the US.

      • Gellian
        January 27, 2011, 1:15 pm

        Yep, you’re right. It’s obviously not the only reason academics get fired. But it’s the only reason, I would say, they get targeted. And successfully targeted most of the time, too.

      • annie
        January 27, 2011, 1:18 pm

        name names gellian, quit w/the assertions, just name names.

      • Gellian
        January 27, 2011, 1:20 pm

        Annie, are you a complete idiot? If I name names I get people in trouble.

        Sheesh.

        You’re as bad as the people who got this poor grad student fired from Brooklyn College.

      • Psychopathic god
        January 27, 2011, 1:35 pm

        with respect, annie, I think you’re missing an essential point and derailing an important conversation.

      • annie
        January 27, 2011, 1:40 pm

        sorry, i misread.

      • Psychopathic god
        January 27, 2011, 2:11 pm

        ((((( annie ))))

      • annie
        January 27, 2011, 5:09 pm

        eee gads all my fault. thought he was saying the opposite.

    • pjdude
      January 28, 2011, 3:57 am

      I could name a couple of things that could get an academic fired that aren’t even connected to ISrael

  2. annie
    January 27, 2011, 12:50 pm

    this is hideous.

    there’s an idea i’ve had swimming around my head for awhile. the idea of a palestine studies, an independent school w/semesters and courses with professional experts/instructors. it would have to be run privately. if we had just one in the country, one in europe. we need to fight back from this silencing, this control over the discourse.

    i’ve only read the first several pages of Petersen-Overton’s draft. begs the question what’s wrong w/understanding the mindset of martyrdom?

    • Psychopathic god
      January 27, 2011, 1:05 pm

      I think it’s a mistake to continue to use the “new McCarthyism” theme. The phenomenon is different — exactly opposite, in fact. EDIT: alternatively, the phenomenon is NOT different just flipped — resulting in the niggling suggestion that McCarthy was on to something, and it was the same Something back then as it is now.

      If you continue to associate the “ethnic cleansing” of American discourse, by predominantly Jewish actors and agents, of mention of negative information about Israel or positive information about Palestinians, Arabs, Islam, or Iran, with McCarthyism, the phenomenon will be associated with the “folk devil” figure of Joseph McCarthy and dismissed as the ravings of one deluded drunk.

      If you want to put the phenomenon in a category that can be observed and evaluated objectively, don’t front-load it with pre-existing, prejudicial perceptions.

    • Psychopathic god
      January 27, 2011, 1:21 pm

      University of Maryland has a highly respected program on ME studies.

      Many schools do/did. Many, many university programs have been influenced by Jewish money — Georgetown University — founded by Jesuits, has a marvelous scholar of Islam, Joseph Esposito, but he has to keep a low profile: Robert Lieber announced about 4 years ago that “Georgetown should affirm its partnership with Israel;” Jewish money was at the ready, new soto voce rules came into being, and Esposito has been a lot less public.

      I don’t watch cable news, but I’ve only heard John Entalis of Fordham — another Jesuit college — on Al Jazeera.

      John Tirman heads the international studies dept at MIT; he keeps his head down. John Mueller of Ohio State is more bold, but not as bold as is required to counteract the omnipresence of the William Kristols and Robert Kagans of the fused academic/mediasphere.

    • Psychopathic god
      January 27, 2011, 1:30 pm

      edit: DOV HIKIND say it LOUD, munro: the guy who wants to muzzle the Brooklyn College prof has led a group of American Jews to take Palestinian territory to build homes for American Jews.

      I had written this, below, before I realized that Dov Hikind in the Tikun Olam link = Dov Hikind the Brooklyn agitator.

      very important point to emphasize, munro:

      the American Jews in that photo you linked do not appear to be old enough to be holocaust survivors — second generation, maybe.

      the soldiers in the video in the “Goldstone report” article this morning, are certainly not holocaust survivors: they have been TAUGHT, indoctrinated to internalize holocaust whatever-it-is.

      Mitchell Bard and Edwin Black write for and speak to a group of US national reach, the National Organization of Children of Jewish Holocaust Survivors. They want to make claims against Arabs, to be taken from any peace settlement proceeds, for the property losses of their grandparents/parents who left Arab states to migrate to Israel.

      For how many more generations is this going to go on? Are my great-grandchildren going to have to pay to support holocaust survivors?

      • Leper Colonialist
        January 27, 2011, 2:26 pm

        This creature Dov Hinkin is but a tip of the iceberg in Gotham. While you’re at it, Google the names : Noach Dear [spelling?] and Rabbi Avi Weiss. The Three Stooges of Likudsm in Brooklyn.

      • munro
        January 27, 2011, 2:40 pm

        Dov Hikind: Vilifiyers Of Sarah Palin Are Engaging In Blood Libel
        link to sarahpalininformation.wordpress.com

      • Leper Colonialist
        January 27, 2011, 7:03 pm

        Dov sures knows a useful idiot when he see one.

  3. Gellian
    January 27, 2011, 1:18 pm

    BTW Phil, this is off topic, but I don’t know where else to put it. Looks like there’s a call for BDS against Glenn Beck.

    link to news.yahoo.com

    And it ain’t the Palestinians who are making the call.

    Does that mean BDS is a fair tactic?

    • Psychopathic god
      January 27, 2011, 1:41 pm

      Edwin Black says — and I quote: “the origins of the BDS movement are in Palestine in 1948 when the Mufti allied with Nazi Germany. BDS seeks the genocide of Jews.”

      sosurce: Arab-Nazi Alliance during Holocaust

      • MRW
        January 27, 2011, 2:02 pm

        Edwin Black today is completely different from the Edwin Black of 1980. He’s become a settler phony.

      • marc b.
        January 27, 2011, 2:26 pm

        ditto. you have to wonder whether the evolultion of some of these ‘liberal’ scholars isn’t quite organic.

        is that ‘black quote’ from the linked video or his book, PG? that is just bizarre. as if the political tactic of the ‘economic blockade’ was a mid-20th century development.

      • Gellian
        January 27, 2011, 2:44 pm

        “you have to wonder whether the evolultion of some of these ‘liberal’ scholars isn’t quite organic.”

        I don’t know this Edwin Black is — I’ll google him, I guess — but it’s no secret that to have a long-term career as a scholar you have to be liberal for the first part of it.

        You might really be liberal, which is great. If you aren’t, you have to dance the dance until at least tenure, preferably a bit longer if tenure comes at an early age.

        So if Black is an academic who went from being liberal to being conservative with no obvious progression of thought, I’d hardly be surprised. Liberals might feel betrayed by that, but it’s really their own fault for forcing conservatives to look for employment outside universities in the first place. If they were a little more…ahem, open minded about others… they wouldn’t feel betrayed as often.

      • Donald
        January 27, 2011, 5:39 pm

        “Liberals might feel betrayed by that, but it’s really their own fault for forcing conservatives to look for employment outside universities in the first place. If they were a little more…ahem, open minded about others”

        Here’s where annie would be justified in asking for names. Which fields are deliberately excluding conservatives? Are we seriously supposed to think that people don’t get tenure because of their views on tax policy, for instance? If only Greg Mankiw and Milton Friedman could have found a place in academia somewhere…

        And besides, many of these so-called academic liberals don’t seem liberal to me–I’m thinking of Larry Summers and some of the other Wall Street supporting “liberals” that Obama seems to favor so much.

      • annie
        January 27, 2011, 5:52 pm

        fault for forcing conservatives to look for employment outside universities in the first place

        yeah, last i heard conservatives were leaving wall street in droves beating a path to the nearest universities, banging down the doors trying to get jobs in academia/not.

      • Gellian
        January 27, 2011, 6:00 pm

        “Which fields are deliberately excluding conservatives? Are we seriously supposed to think that people don’t get tenure because of their views on tax policy, for instance? ”

        That’s easy. Name any humanities field and you won’t find a conservative. Name any soft science except business/econ classes and occasionally psychology, and you won’t find a conservative. Some of them, like anthropology and sociology, are unremittingly hostile to conservative thought, so much so that those fields are now starting to be considered in existential crisis mode (should they exist merely to study, or rather to advocate for, ‘savages’?).

        Some departments, like English, have become too bizarro for words. Many people who work in them don’t even believe in facts; they think they’re purely constructs of language, and so forth.

        It’s not tax policy that excludes conservatives. It’s, oh I dunno, immigration policy, social attitudes toward homosexuality, believe in racial bases for IQ, and that sort of thing.

      • annie
        January 27, 2011, 6:12 pm

        gellian, did it ever occur to you rightwing kids @ school don’t study humanities? i was in the psych department, i didn’t meet any rightwing kids. they go into politics, economics, law…fields that have a potential of making lots of money. i don’t think environmental sciences are popular for rightwing kids because the rightwing doesn’t care about the environment. they care about business getting hindered by environmentalists.

      • tree
        January 27, 2011, 6:12 pm

        yeah, last i heard conservatives were leaving wall street in droves beating a path to the nearest universities

        Yes, its that low pay that attracts them all. ;-)

        My understanding is that there is much more remuneration available to conservatives in think tanks and such, versus strict academia. And the standards are lower. You just have to agree with the sugar daddies’ viewpoints, or pretend you do. A conservative’s dream.

      • annie
        January 27, 2011, 6:16 pm

        Yes, its that low pay that attracts them all. ;-)

        exactly

      • Gellian
        January 27, 2011, 6:20 pm

        You guys are pretty ill informed. You really don’t think students are interested in literature or psychology just because they have a conservative worldview? That’s funny, because I know a ton of conservative kids who say they wanted to study humanities but felt like total aliens in those classes, especially when professors gave them a hard time.

        It sounds like neither of you have much experience with the professoring gig and how it goes, from hiring on down. Maybe you should ask some people who do.

      • annie
        January 27, 2011, 6:27 pm

        You really don’t think students are interested in literature or psychology just because they have a conservative worldview?

        no, i think conservatives don’t generally major in subjects that do not offer excessive financial incentives. doesn’t mean they aren’t interested in literature etc.

      • Donald
        January 27, 2011, 6:31 pm

        “Name any humanities field and you won’t find a conservative. Name any soft science except business/econ classes and occasionally psychology, and you won’t find a conservative. Some of them, like anthropology and sociology, ”

        I confess that I expected you to say that. So on the one hand there are conservatives who object to how literature is taught, but on the other hand there are conservatives and centrists who dominate our economics and business departments. Am I supposed to believe that conservatives would wish to reverse that? Incidentally, along with Chomsky and many lefties, I have little or no interest in the sort of radicalism represented by the deconstructionists, to the extent that I understand their position. The sort of radicalism you are talking about here is a joke to almost everyone, including most lefties. (I sometimes wonder if the English profs are getting a bad rap, but I’ve never bothered to look into it very deeply.)

        As for this–

        “immigration policy, social attitudes toward homosexuality, believe in racial bases for IQ, ”

        I think the racists and homophobes can find plenty of niches in other places. You’re right that after generations in which intellectuals performed their role of telling white men that they were in charge because they were superior to non-whites and to women, most people in the academy are somewhat suspicious of their modern day equivalents. And yet Charles Murray somehow managed to make a tremendous splash and get plenty of respectful attention in the “liberal” press when the Bell Curve came out.

      • Psychopathic god
        January 27, 2011, 6:47 pm

        v1de0

      • Psychopathic god
        January 27, 2011, 6:58 pm

        I’m willing to bet that a huge majority of <40 year olds on Wall Street or in hedge funds elsewhere (London, Chicago, China) have only a bachelor's degree. The big secret is it really doesn't take a lot of brains to make a lot of money on Wall Street, it takes balls.

        College jocks are eagerly recruited to start as traders, work up to portfolio managers. Stick it out for 10 years or so, (like other contact sports, Wall Street is a young man's game), put aside 60% of your obscene bonuses for a couple years; trade 20% of the bonuses, live off the other 20%, and retire by 45. Remake yourself, at that point — you can probably afford to go anywhere you want to go.

  4. Chaos4700
    January 27, 2011, 1:38 pm

    I’m not participating in this circular firing squad after this point, annie. I get it bad enough when yonira comes after me and the rest of you stab me in the back and leave me out to dry.

    • Taxi
      January 27, 2011, 3:13 pm

      Well I got your back, chaos.

      Not that you need any help from me or anyone else re your fine fencing duels with yonira.

    • Saleema
      January 27, 2011, 4:47 pm

      You aren’t alone Chaos. I got your back, too. But Taxi is right, you really don’t need our help though. You do just fine by yourself! :)

  5. Citizen
    January 27, 2011, 2:20 pm

    I really don’t see how it would be different in academia than in journalism when it comes to anyone there speaking out or writing about Israel’s activities. We also have awareness of the same taboo in our Congress and on any political campaign trail. And ditto regarding the higher apointed offices in any federal agency domain touching on Israel. And ditto for stand-up comedians, and US entertainment generally. The same taboo is everywhere, unless you want a career in plumbing or air conditioning, etc. Isn’t it?

    • Gellian
      January 27, 2011, 3:02 pm

      “The same taboo is everywhere, unless you want a career in plumbing or air conditioning, etc. Isn’t it?”

      Yep. That about sums it up.

  6. BillR
    January 27, 2011, 2:45 pm

    As a non-tenured university instructor who is militantly pro-Palestinian, I must say I find the tone of this “debate” to be–well–really depressing and not in the least helpful in aiding the cause of Palestine or Petersen-Overton. Although I suspect it would give sustenance to Alan Dershowitz.

    • hophmi
      January 27, 2011, 5:36 pm

      Thank you, BillR. Now please be honest and admit that the academy in MESA is overwhelmingly pro-Palestinian and that there are lots and lots of reasons non-tenured faculty do not get hired.

  7. Gellian
    January 27, 2011, 2:59 pm

    BillR,

    Word to the wise — if you’re on a tenure track, clam up for a few years, at least publicly. This isn’t mean to be a debate or to frighten you unduly, and it’s not because I’m on the side of Derschowitz or his friends.

    Or if you prefer, carry on being militantly pro-Palestinian, as you say, but do realize that it’s a taboo-breaking stance to adopt.

  8. Potsherd2
    January 27, 2011, 3:06 pm

    Phil – fix your headline. This guy isn’t an Assistant Professor, he’s an adjunct, not a professor of any kind, a grad student, as far from tenure as a from the moon – and now probably permanently.

  9. BillR
    January 27, 2011, 3:16 pm

    Gellian,
    I can assure you that you are not frightening me “unduly.” You’re just annoying me. I’m outta of this one.

    • Gellian
      January 27, 2011, 4:23 pm

      Speak for yourself, kid. Live and learn. And good luck to you.

      • Donald
        January 27, 2011, 5:41 pm

        I gotta say, this is one weird thread. Initially it was just annie misreading you, but scrolling further it seems like an epidemic of misreading in all directions, unless I’m misreading everyone.

  10. DICKERSON3870
    January 27, 2011, 5:16 pm

    RE: “New McCarthyism: Brooklyn College fires teacher who dared to speak out for Palestinian self-determination” – Weiss
    SEE: The Trial of Israel’s Campus Critics, by David Theo Goldberg and Saree Makdisi, Tikkun Magazine, September/October 2009

    (EXCERPT)…It is an extraordinary fact that no fewer than thirty-three distinct organizations – including AIPAC, the Zionist Organization of America, the American Jewish Congress, and the Jewish National Fund – are gathered together today as members or affiliates of the Israel on Campus Coalition. The coalition is an overwhelmingly powerful presence on American college campuses for which there is simply no equivalent on the Palestinian or Arab side. Its self-proclaimed mission is not merely to monitor our colleges and universities. That, after all, is the commitment of Campus Watch, which was started by pro-Israel activists in 2002. It is, rather (and in its own words), to generate “a pro-active, pro-Israel agenda on campus.” There is, accordingly, disproportionate and unbalanced intervention on campuses across the country by a coalition of well-funded organizations, who have no time for — and even less interest in — the niceties of intellectual exchange and academic process. Insinuation, accusation, and defamation have become the weapons of first resort to respond to argument and criticism directed at Israeli policies. As far as these outside pressure groups (and their campus representatives) are concerned, the intellectual and academic price that the scholarly community pays as a result of this kind of intervention amounts to little more than collateral damage…

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to tikkun.org

  11. Les
    January 27, 2011, 6:36 pm

    This is an old problem with public colleges. The Israel Lobby, as have an infinite number of of pressure groups, find it easy to lean on college administrators scared to death of even more chicken-hearted politicians. If you want fair and open debate it requires private and religious colleges because they are not under the thumb of politicians which is why such a firing is less likely to happen at Harvard, Yale, Brandeis, or Notre Dame. Even the Professional Staff Congress union representing CUNY faculty is unlikely to go to the monetary expense of defending political free speech as compared to waco professorial speech.

    • Gellian
      January 27, 2011, 7:49 pm

      I dunno, Les. You don’t think the fact that this was Brooklyn College had anything to do with it?

      I mean, it’s not like it was Omaha State U. or anything…

      • Les
        January 27, 2011, 9:29 pm

        Governor Mario Cuomo went after a professor who had the audacity to require students to do a comparative look at Palestinians and Israelis. (There was dismay that Stony Brook, which had ambitions of becoming another Berkeley or Michigan, but Cuomo decreed that such would not be allowed.) Any New York “public” college could expect the same from the Israel Lobby. Nevertheless I suggest that you would see many examples of political interference in public colleges that have nothing to do with the Lobby. This is especially infuriating insofar as a considerable number of these “public” colleges for a considerable time have been receiving most of their income from other than the governments who appoint 100% of the regents who are in charge. Even Brooklyn College may fall into that category.

  12. BillR
    January 28, 2011, 12:33 am

    I promised myself I wouldn’t return to this. But I got curious. Gellian suffers from a toxic and lethal mixture of arrogance and ignorance. That must be why he assumes I am a “kid.” I returned to school late in life. I will be 57 at the end of April. But no doubt Gellian has a monopoly of that old school wisdom while the rest of us must be immature rubes. I have been participating in anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian politics for over 35 years now. I have had private communications with individuals on this site in which I have openly displayed a respect for Hamas and quite frankly I admire the leader of Hezbollah and his organization. I have been called an anti-Semite so many times that I have lost count. After awhile I began to view it as a compliment. I have many (and I mean many!) friends who have gotten their Doctorates over the years in political science and history by doing research on the Israel/Palestine conflict and have written anti-Zionist research. I have a friend now who is Palestinian/American currently working on getting tenure at a Univ which, assuming you live in NYC, is very close to you and very prestigious. She hates Israel and makes no secret of it in her research. All of these individuals were (or still are) at some point in their academic careers on tenure track but without tenure. And virtually all of them are now Associate or Full Profs with tenure. Your notion that there are Zionist Jews on the board of regents at every major university exercising conspiratorial control over all research in Arts and Sciences in stupid/ignorant loonyness, not to mention offensive, and quite frankly racist. I can honestly say that I long for the day when the State of Israel is washed away like the sand on the Ocean beach. But your Zionist conspiracy crap disgusts me.

  13. southernobserver
    January 28, 2011, 7:45 pm

    If it makes you feel any better, this punishment of those who publically note Israel’s crimes is everywhere. New Zealand is mostly a liberal democracy, and yet Malcolm Evans, one of our better cartoonists, twice voted cartoonist of the year 1999 and in 2003, was fired for commenting on the assault on Gaza. link to uncensored.co.nz

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