This revolution ‘undoubtedly means the end of Israel as a Jewish state’

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At Postright, Jack Ross has a twilight of the gods post: the events of Cairo signal that the neocons are over, Israel is doomed as a Jewish state, and the Israel lobby is imploding. 

the unabashed chutzpah award has to go to Leon Wieseltier:

The bizarre irony of Obama’s global multiculturalism is that it has had the effect of aligning America with regimes and against peoples. This was the case with our response to the Iranian rebellion in 2009, and it was the case with our response to the Egyptian opposition until a few hours ago. The striking thing about Barack Obama’s “extended hand” is how utterly irrelevant it is to the epochal events in Egypt, and Tunisia, and Iran, and elsewhere.

Apparently, the United States had never once been engaged in propping up an unpopular autocrat against the wishes of his subjects before January 20, 2009.  The very man who famously boasted of his magazine with respect to pro-Israel orthodoxy in American liberal opinion that “we’re the cops”, blames Obama for the consequences of the disastrous American policies of generations which he takes such pride in his large role in enforcing uncritical allegiance to.

But what else to expect from Wieseltier, who is now an island unto himself with even Marty Peretz out of the picture as the revolution unfolds which undoubtedly will mean the end of Israel as a Jewish state. 

And exactly who are the “American liberals” Wieseltier is righteously lashing out at for being apologists of Mubarak?  The only one who comes to mind is Chris Matthews, who clearly has stopped caring whether or not anyone takes him seriously, being the only one on cable news to have a guest giving the strait-up AIPAC line, a sad task falling to B-lister Marc Ginsburg.

This development is highly significant in itself.  Amazingly, Marty Peretz ran off to find redemption exactly in the nick of time, leaving Leon completely high and dry among those who actually care about Israel in facing the Egyptian uprising.  For one can only conclude that the Israel Lobby is imploding when even the neocons can’t be counted on to try and save the Camp David regime, instead putting to undying shame Condoleezza Rice’s infamous pronouncement of the birth pangs of a new Middle East.

To be sure, one can yet find the expected ominous foreboding against the Muslim Brotherhood – Thomas Joscelyn of the Friends of Democracy Foundation for the Defense of Democracies leads the pack, with Jeffrey Goldberg also reliably in tow.   But while it was one thing for the neocons to rush headlong into their “abandonment of democracy” line during the Iran uprising, when it was so clearly cynical, it is beyond shocking to see the degree to which they have started breaking out into The Internationale with no regard at all for the implications for Israel.

My father, who knew several of the neocon standard bearers at Harvard, always insisted to me that, with such obvious exceptions as Marty Peretz and Ruth Wisse, the neocons were ultimately not so deeply committed to Israel but rather simply saw it as a means to an end.  I understood his argument academically, but never quite bought into it until the last couple of years.  The first time I realized he was right was when I attended the J Street Conference in October 2009, where I had the most emotionally draining experience of actually encountering people who were deeply committed to the point of emotional investment in saving Israel as a Jewish state, only to behold the untrammeled fury set against them by the neocons.

17 Responses

  1. Potsherd2
    January 30, 2011, 10:30 pm

    The administration “has been way behind the curve,” said former Jordanian foreign minister Marwan Muasher, a vice president at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “So far, they’re just reacting. They’re looking at it from two prisms – the need for stability . . . and the peace process in Israel.

    “This is not about Israel,” Muasher said. “I wish for once the United States would just leave Israel out of this and look at it for what it is. People are fed up with corruption, and they want a better government.” Egypt and Jordan, the only two Arab governments to have made peace with Israel, are central players in the faltering U.S.-backed Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

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  2. wondering jew
    January 30, 2011, 10:43 pm

    “Undoubtedly means the end of Israel as a Jewish state” is undoubtedly a prediction. But if this prediction does not include a time frame it is meaningless. If Jack Ross means in a 200 year time frame, I would tend to agree, although the Egyptian revolution of 2011 will certainly not be pointed to if the end of Israel as a Jewish state occurs in say 2191. If Jack Ross means in 20 years, then I would say that it will be a bloody 20 years. But if he does not put a time frame on it, it is a feeble prediction and not as audacious as he pretends.

    • sherbrsi
      January 31, 2011, 5:35 am

      But if he does not put a time frame on it, it is a feeble prediction and not as audacious as he pretends.

      It is an observation that the Jewish state of Israel is unsustainable and increasingly vulnerable. Not providing a time frame means it is not a prediction as you say it is. When Clinton said in her AIPAC speech that the status quo is unsustainable (referring indirectly to the occupation and prevention of a Palestinian state), she similarly gave no time frame. Later she clarified that the status quo could go on for 5 or 20 or more years, but fundamentally it is an arrangement that cannot be maintained in the long-term. I believe that Ross’ statement applies within the same time frame.

      Saying that Israel as a Jewish state would not exist in 200 year time frame is a very optimistic outlook, doable if Israel were not mired in a conflict it has no resolve to and can only perpetuate as long as a Zionist regime exists. And such a prediction ignores that for Israel to exist as a Jewish state it needs to extend the status quo simultaneously with it, and to that end I would think even 20 more years seems unlikely.

  3. southernobserver
    January 30, 2011, 10:47 pm

    Success has many mothers and fathers. Failure is an orphan. Potsherd’s quote is absolutely right on the money. This is nothing to do with Israel, and very little to do with the USA. If we don’t want to support people trying to escape gross oppression by autocrats, well who should we support?

  4. Psychopathic god
    January 30, 2011, 11:02 pm

    the blazing irony of Wieseltier is that due to lack of interest, no “rebellion” took place in Iran. Oh, all the attempts were made, probably dropped a load of cash, but the scheduled, planned, well-rehearsed coup d’etat just didn’t succeed How to Stage a Coup d’etat

    Take a second look at Tunisia, while you’ve got US-staged “rebellions” on your mind: one major give-away that so far the “revolution” in Tunisia is the Potemkin variety is the fact that the poster that appeared minutes after ben Ali boarded a plane bears all the hallmarks of CIA — it might as well have had “made in USA” on it, just like those tear gas canisters:
    -the clenched fist = symbol of CIA color revolutions
    -cutesie ‘jasmine’ tag is Americans who just can’t get marketing out of their blood;
    -English language?? uh, in Tunisia? Why the poster in English?
    -flag of Tunisia reduced to a decorative flourish on a letter
    link to

    But the biggest ‘tell’ of of all is that Hillary Clinton sent Jeffrey Feltman to manage the “rebellion” in Tunisia. Feltman oversaw the “birth pangs of a new Middle East” in the rape of Lebanon in 2006.

    Cry the Beloved Country — cry for Tunisia, cry for Egypt, cry for Iran, cry most of all for the most lost of all, the United States.

    • VR
      January 31, 2011, 12:58 am

      I have some revolutionary nails in my possession, all I need is the people to throw the bodies of these criminals into the well deserved coffin, and I will nail it shut – for good. You just have to know your enemy. Get together –


      “The main attraction, distraction
      got ya number than number than numb
      Empty ya pockets son, they got you thinkin that
      What ya need is what they sellin
      Make you think that buyin is rebellin’
      From the theaters to malls on every shore
      The thin line between entertainment and war
      The frontline is everywhere, there be no shelter here
      Spielberg the nightmare works so push it far
      Amistad was a whip, the truth feather to tar
      Memories erased and burned to scar
      Trade in ya history for a VCR

      Cinema, simulated life, ill drama
      Fourth reich culture, Americana
      Chained to the dream they got ya searchin for
      The thin line between entertainment and war

      There’ll be no shelter here!
      The frontline is everywhere
      There’ll be no shelter here!
      The frontline is everywhere
      There’ll be no shelter here!
      The frontline is everywhere
      There’ll be no shelter here!
      The frontline is everywhere

      Hospitals not profit full
      The market bull’s got pockets full
      To advertise some hip disguise
      View the world from American eyes
      Tha poor adore keep feeding for more
      Tha thin line between entertainment and war
      fix the need, develop the taste
      Buy the products or get laid to waste
      Coca-Cola was back in the veins in Saigon
      In Rambo 2, he got a dope pair of Nikes on
      Godzilla pure motherfuckin’ filler
      Get your eyes off the real killer

      Cinema, simulated life, ill drama
      Fourth reich culture, Americana
      Chained to the dream they got you searchin for
      Tha thin line between entertainment and war

      There’ll be no shelter here!
      The frontline is everywhere
      There’ll be no shelter here!
      The frontline is everywhere
      There’ll be no shelter here!
      The frontline is everywhere
      There’ll be no shelter here!
      The frontline is everywhere

      American eyes, American eyes
      View the world from American eyes
      Bury the past, rob us blind
      And leave nothin behind

      American eyes, American eyes
      View the world from American eyes
      Bury the past, rob us blind
      And leave nothin behind

      Just stare!
      Just stare!
      Just stare!
      Just stare!

      and live the nightmare!”

      You have to wake yourself up

      • seafoid
        January 31, 2011, 3:21 am

        Hey yo
        Lights, camera, tragedy, comedy, romance
        You better dance from your fighting stance
        Or you’ll never have a fighting chance
        In the rat race
        Where the referee’s son started way in advance
        But still you livin’ the American Dream
        Silk PJ’s, sheets and down pillows
        Who the fuck would wanna wake up?
        You got it good like hot sex after the break up
        Your four car garage it’s just more space to take up
        You even bought your mom a new whip scrap the jalopy
        Thousand dollar habit, million dollar hobby
        You a success story everybody wanna copy
        But few work for it, most get jerked for it
        If you think that you could ignore it, you’re ig-norant
        A fat wallet still never made a man free
        They say to eat good, yo, you gotta swallow your pride
        But dead that game plan, I’m not satisfied

        The poor get worked, the rich get richer
        The world gets worse, do you get the picture?
        The poor gets dead, the rich get depressed
        The ugly get mad, the pretty get stressed
        The ugly get violent, the pretty get gone
        The old get stiff, the young get stepped on
        Whoever told you that it was all good lied
        So throw your fists up if you not satisfied

        Are you satisfied?
        I’m not satisfied

        Hey yo, the ants still steal
        The anthrax got my whole earth wearin’ a mask and gloves to get a meal
        I know a older guy that lost twelve close peeps on 9-1-1
        While you kickin’ up punchlines and puns
        Man fuck that shit, this is serious biz
        By the time Bush is done, you won’t know what time it is
        If it’s war time or jail time, time for promises
        And time to figure out where the enemy is
        The same devils that you used to love to hate
        They got you so gassed and shook now, you scared to debate
        The same ones that traded books for guns
        Smuggled drugs for funds
        And had fun lettin’ off forty-one
        But now it’s all about NYPD caps
        And Pentagon bumper stickers
        But yo, you still a nigga
        It ain’t right them cops and them firemen died
        The shit is real tragic, but it damn sure ain’t magic
        It won’t make the brutality disappear
        It won’t pull equality from behind your ear
        It won’t make a difference in a two-party country
        If the president cheats, to win another four years
        Now don’t get me wrong, there’s no place I’d rather be
        The grass ain’t greener on the other genocide
        But tell Huey Freeman don’t forget to cut the lawn
        And uproot the weeds
        Cuz I’m not satisfied


        All this genocide
        Is not justified
        Are you satisfied?
        I’m not satisfied

        Yo, poison pushers making paper off of pipe dreams
        They turned hip-hop to a get-rich-quick scheme
        The rich minorities control the gov’ment
        But they would have you believe we on the same team
        So where you stand, huh?
        What do you stand for?
        Sit your ass down if you don’t know the answer
        Serious as cancer, this jam demands your undivided attention
        Even on the dance floor
        Grab the bull by the horns, the bucks by the antlers
        Get yours, what’re you sweatin’ the next man for?
        Get down, feel good to this, let it ride
        But until we all free, I’ll never be satisfied

      • seafoid
        January 31, 2011, 3:22 am

        Alors on danse (X3)

        Qui dit étude dit travail,
        Qui dit taf te dit les thunes,
        Qui dit argent dit dépenses,
        Qui dit crédit dit créance,
        Qui dit dette te dit huissier,
        Oui dit assis dans la merde.
        Qui dit Amour dit les gosses,
        Dit toujours et dit divorce.
        Qui dit proches te dis deuils car les problèmes ne viennent pas seul.
        Qui dit crise te dis monde dit famine dit tiers- monde.
        Qui dit fatigue dit réveille encore sourd de la veille,
        Alors on sort pour oublier tous les problèmes.
        Alors on danse… (X9)
        Et la tu t’dis que c’est fini car pire que ça ce serait la mort.
        Qu’en tu crois enfin que tu t’en sors quand y en a plus et ben y en a encore!
        Ecstasy dis problème les problèmes ou bien la musique.
        Ca t’prends les trips ca te prends la tête et puis tu prie pour que ça s’arrête.
        Mais c’est ton corps c’est pas le ciel alors tu t’bouche plus les oreilles.
        Et là tu cries encore plus fort et ca persiste…
        Alors on chante
        Lalalalalala, Lalalalalala,
        Alors on chante
        Lalalalalala, Lalalalalala

        Alors on chante (x2)
        Et puis seulement quand c’est fini, alors on danse.
        Alors on danse (x7)
        Et ben y en a encore (X5)

  5. Elliot
    January 30, 2011, 11:48 pm

    Jack, I’ve read your last paragraph several times and I still don’t understand it. Would you explain? thanks

    • Philip Weiss
      January 31, 2011, 12:00 am

      elliot it might be my cuts that confuse you? did you go to postright for jack’s actionpakced original?

  6. HRK
    January 31, 2011, 2:37 am

    Okay, I’m baffled. I’m a newbie, relatively, on these issues compared to many others who post here, I suspect, so please excuse this question if it seems hopelessly naive: What do you mean by saying that the neocons don’t care about Israel–that for them it’s only a means to an end? What end? Are you talking about personal enrichment? I really don’t have a clue about what you might mean.

    I’ve always thought of the neocons as being people who cared about very little other than Israel!

    • Taxi
      January 31, 2011, 4:10 pm

      The religious neocons believe in Endtime prophecies which say that jesus will have his second coming once jews control the WHOLE of historic Palestine. And once jesus is amongst us again, if the jews don’t ‘submit’ to his christian holiness this second time round, then they will be killed in a christian crusade.

      That’s why the alliance between jews and christian zionists is regularly referred to as the ‘unholy alliance’.

  7. seafoid
    January 31, 2011, 3:13 am

    I liked this bit

    “the uprising of scary brown people to end all uprisings of the same is shaking the world”

  8. gazacalling
    January 31, 2011, 7:40 am

    Wow, what a post. The last part is very thought-provoking. Israel as only a means to an end to proving to oneself the falsehood of Jewish stereotypes, combined with white liberal guilt, is what drives the neocons. It does seem to explain a lot.

  9. RoHa
    January 31, 2011, 8:07 am

    The mock news show CNNNN

    link to

    has a scrolling news bar.

    link to

    Two items on tonight’s bar. (As seen on TV, not the website.)

    “Anti-Israeli statements taken as anti-Semitic”

    “Palestinians begin to suspect Israel not 100% committed to idea of a Palestinian state.”

  10. peters
    January 31, 2011, 4:09 pm

    i don’t buy it at all, it smells to me like an escape hatch. providing some cover for the rats fleeing the sinking ship (israel). my view from the ground is that jewish left libs, let alone, neocons, care passionately about israel to the point of blindness. how else can you explain the obvious hypocrasy , prevarication, etc? i also believe that the israel obsession can spring up in mid-life, after sowing the wild oats of mingling with gentiles.

  11. Les
    January 31, 2011, 6:26 pm

    Wieseltier is one of those little minds who believe Operation Cast Lead is not “anti-democratic and anti-American.”

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