This is awful. New York's LGBT Center was to host a "Party to End Apartheid" on March 5 during Israeli Apartheid Week. The event has been cancelled, under explicit financial pressure from a large donor. (Forward did the story yesterday.)
Here, under the title "Don't let wealthy bigots shut down free speech" is a petition signed by Sherry Wolf and Judith Butler among others, protesting the cancellation.
We, the undersigned, are LGBT people and allies who condemn the stifling of free speech at New York’s LGBT Center due to pressure from wealthy supporters of Israel’s anti-Palestinian policies.
A slanderous press release followed by a threatening call-in campaign led to the cancellation of an Israeli Apartheid Week event scheduled for March 5, 2011, and the right of peaceful pro-Palestine activists in the Siegebusters group to meet at the Center.
New York’s LGBT Community Center has a 28-year history of accommodating the needs of oppressed and marginalized groups and allowing controversial opinions to be aired. It is a sanctuary for those seeking a democratic organizing space.
The recent press release by Michael Lucas, a wealthy gay porn entrepreneur, threatened a boycott and defunding campaign if the Center didn’t cancel the event, which it tragically agreed to do. If activists allow this decision to stand, the Center will go from being a liberated space of democracy and free speech to yet another occupied, homogenized venue where wealthy and powerful voices can squelch all the rest.
The LGBT Center released a two-sentence statement: "We have determined that this event is not appropriate to be held at our LGBT Community Center, which is a safe haven for LGBT groups and individuals. Therefore, the meeting at The Center has been cancelled and the host group will no longer meet at The Center."
But the LGBT Center hosts hundreds of events a year, ranging from A to Z and beyond. Does the Center endorse the viewpoint of every group, forum and discussion that occurs within its walls? Why did the Center find the Israeli Apartheid Week event to be appropriate when it booked the space, but not after Lucas complained?
Here is porn king Michael Lucas's press release attacking the event and describing the Israel Apartheid Week group as "an anti-Semitic organization."
He further demands that the LGBT Center's leaders publicly apologize, and pledge to ban any and all anti-Semitic groups from using their facilities in the future.
"I'm preparing to organize a boycott that would certainly involve some of the Center's most generous donors," said Lucas. "It was an inexcusable decision on the Center's part to associate itself with a hate group like Israeli Apartheid Week, but there's still time for them to reverse course and begin restoring their reputation."
Lucas says he has already spoken with a number of other furious LGBT Center supporters who plan to withdraw all future donations should the "Smash Israeli Apartheid" party go forward.
Anti-Israeli groups, like IAW, are using the pretext of support for Palestinians to stoke old anti-Semitic hatreds and perpetuate Jewish stereotypes. They're also growing increasingly and aggressively pro-Islam.
What does aggressively pro-Islam mean? Oh my god. This is sad, pathetic awful, and reflects the deep divisions within the liberal New York community over Israel. And yes the deep divisions within Jewish life, which is such a determinative factor in liberal culture. Note that on any other issue you would not see the donors coming forward, you wouldn't see the brave advocates of freedom quailing and flailing and folding. But they do, they do!
Israel is one of the most gay-friendly nations in the world. If you had to list the 10 worst places for gays, they’d all be Muslim countries. Gays are tortured and murdered by Hamas and, it seems, the PA. What you call “pinkwashing” is simply a reflection if reality. That fact that you wish it otherwise changes nothing.
Divert alert!
The article is not about Israel being gay friendly or not.
It is about suppression of an event by under financial pressure by the porno guy Michael Lucas. And his threats to a community.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Israel is an equal-opportunity ethnic cleanser, even LGBTs can kick out Arabs. Wonderful !
I love how it is conventional wisdom that there is somehow something inherently “progressive” in sexual preferences. I’m at a loss, personally, to explain it. This is an interesting social phenomenon, I’m sure some have written about it.
Years ago, as a Jesse-Jackson delegate to a Massachusetts Demo convention, I tried to interest a gay guy (manning a gay-rights booth outside the convention center) in casting his vote for a pro-Palestinian resolution. He rejected me and my attempt right away as anti-Semitic. I was so surprised, taking a simplistic view that people who have been discriminated against will side with others similarly d.a. Not that time. And not here, porn merchant or not, but doubtless very rich!
Perhaps an issue ought to be whether LGBT center should take money at all from anyone (porn merchant or not) who espouses such views.
I recall when, in 1982, Vanessa Redgrave was first hired, then fired, by the Boston Symphony Orchestra, hired for artistic reasons, fired b/c of pro-Israel blacklisting (and apparent economic blackmail).
If principle and not finance is to be the basis for ANYTHING in American life, would not the LGBT community be ONE good place to take a stand?
Criminalizing discrimination against LGBTs is a good thing, make no mistake. (the recent DOMA statement from the Obama justice dept was a step forward there !)
“If principle and not finance is to be the basis for ANYTHING in American life…”
It is, but not for those making policy. They do not have the same interests.
“Israel is one of the most gay-friendly nations in the world.”
That may be so, but it is also the most Arab unfriendly places in the earth. The LGBT Center should understand that denial of the civil and human rights for any threatens the civil and human rights of all.
The comments of Jose fail to address anything relevant to the article. Watching the IBM computer watson perform recently, you begin to wonder if we’ll begin to experience the this type of artificial intelligence on blogs? Jose could be a model example of this half-wit programming.
Watching the IBM computer watson perform recently, you begin to wonder if we’ll begin to experience the this type of artificial intelligence on blogs?
i made that same point recently here, about computer generated answers. some of them are so strange it’s hard to fathom them coming from a logical source.
link to dailykos.com
If you think the canned answers are bad now, wait till hasbara 3.0 is released! [Added, desktop megaphone is another way to get the trolls out of their caves. They just provide a flippant response and go back to their day jobs.] But inevitably we should prepare to see computer generated responses.
According to an embedded MS Word document found in one of the HB Gary emails, it involves creating an army of sockpuppets, with sophisticated “persona management” software that allows a small team of only a few people to appear to be many, while keeping the personas from accidentally cross-contaminating each other. Then, to top it off, the team can actually automate some functions so one persona can appear to be an entire Brooks Brothers riot online.
Persona management entails not just the deconfliction of persona artifacts such as names, email addresses, landing pages, and associated content. It also requires providing the human actors technology that takes the decision process out of the loop when using a specific persona. For this purpose we custom developed either virtual machines or thumb drives for each persona. This allowed the human actor to open a virtual machine or thumb drive with an associated persona and have all the appropriate email accounts, associations, web pages, social media accounts, etc. pre-established and configured with visual cues to remind the actor which persona he/she is using so as not to accidentally cross-contaminate personas during use.
And all of this is for the purposes of infiltration, data mining, and (here’s the one that really worries me) ganging up on bloggers, commenters and otherwise “real” people to smear enemies and distort the truth.
This is an excerpt from one of the Word Documents, which was sent as an attachment by Aaron Barr, CEO of HB Gary’s Federal subsidiary, to several of his colleagues to present to clients:
To build this capability we will create a set of personas on twitter, blogs, forums, buzz, and myspace under created names that fit the profile (satellitejockey, hack3rman, etc). These accounts are maintained and updated automatically through RSS feeds, retweets, and linking together social media commenting between platforms. With a pool of these accounts to choose from, once you have a real name persona you create a Facebook and LinkedIn account using the given name, lock those accounts down and link these accounts to a selected # of previously created social media accounts, automatically pre-aging the real accounts.
There are many Israeli Arabs who would much rather live in Israel than any other Arab state.
And there are many Jews who would much rather live in Iran than Israel. And many more Jews who would much rather live in the US than Israel.
That’s a despicable racist lie DBG!
No Arab or any other human being would choose to live under the jackboot of a colonialist!!!
Wasn’t DBG complaining about anti semitism just this week?
Hi Taxi,
I was referring to a study done by the Kennedy School @ Harvard.
link to democraticunderground.com
Why is this racist Taxi? I don’t understand?
How would Isreli Arabs, who have never been to any country other than Israel, be able to asnwer whether they would rather live in Israel than any other country in the world?
And why do all 25,000 Iranian Jews refuse to live in Israel even after being offered $35,000 to do so?
You’re assuming Arabs have no dignity and would willingly accept themselves and their children living as second-class in Apartheid israel.
You’ll forgive me if I don’t click on your link – ALL SUCH STUDIES DONE BEFORE JANUARY 25TH, 2011 ARE NOW UTTERLY IRRELEVANT.
Hi Shingo,
35,000 dollars isn’t a lot of money to up and move your family. I would be interested to see where you found that statistic from. I am also not sure what Iranian Jews have to do with Israel Arabs in this context. I am sorry but I don’t understand the relevance of that argument.
Hi Taxi,
January 25th will be a date which will be remember as start of a middle east united under peace and democracy. Israel will be a participant in this movement.
I still don’t understand how it is relevant to Israeli Arabs. It is actually degrading to Arabs to think that an event in a neighboring country ‘changed everything.’ I am not sure where you are from or if you are Arab, but I think you should allow them to decide what Jan 25th means to them.
dbg, It is actually degrading to Arabs to think that an event in a neighboring country ‘changed everything.
hmm.
How much do American families get paid to migrate to Israel DBG? Surely, after all we’ve heard about Iran, the Jews living there are just aching to move to Israel, because according to you, it’s so awesome. Wouldn’t $35,000 be icing on the cake?
Or could it be anotehr reason, like for example, the fact that Jews have lived in Iran for many generations and they consider their home?
It’s you that doesn’t understand the argument, so let me truy and make it simple for you.
Your argument was that Israeli Arabs polled would rather live in Israel than a Palestinian state, and you cited that to make the argument that Palestinians have a better life and would rather live as 3rd (yes I said 3rd, as is behind the 2nd class citizens being the Mizrahi) class citizens in Israel, than as eual citizems under Palestinian rule.
But clearly, Israel can’t be all that wonderful if most Jews in the US refuse to live in there as do 25,000 Jews in Iran who are livimng under what Fuster keeps insisting is a demonic and inhumae regime.
So DBG, getting back to your poll? Do you think that the reason Isralei Arabs woudl rather live in Israel might be because they have always lived there and regard it as their ancestral home, rather than becasue they hate the idea of living in a Palestinian state?
I’ve made, at most, as a college educated white male in the US, just slightly more than that much a year in my life. And your ignoring the additional incentives that Israel provides — free land (confiscated from Palestinians), subsidized loans and rent, socialized health care and government services that are favored toward Jews… all with a liberal donation of American taxpayer money, to boot.
Most Palestinian families who have been forced to start a life elsewhere don’t get NEARLY that much. In fact, for the most part, they’ve gotten NOTHING. Same with Iraqis, having fled the US invasion. Or Lebanese, having fled the Israeli occupation and continual bombing runs.
DGB,
Please do me a favor and stop addressing me with a “Hi” and just get straight to your point. It just doesn’t sound genuine that you greet me with one side of your mouth while with the other you continue to spout your willfully ignorant racist crap about Arabs and Palestinians.
And please do us all here and in fact do the whole world a favor and WAKE UP TO WHAT’S GOING ON ALL AROUND YOU!
EVERYTHING’S CHANGED!
How?
Well waddayaknow: after 64 years of despotism and colonialism in the mideast, one plus one equals two again!
Gays are tortured and murdered by Hamas and, it seems, the PA.
source? i personally know some gay gazans.
For a second I thought you wrote “openly gay gazans”! There are none.
Start here:
link to
/wiki/Persecution_of_Homosexuals_%28Palestinian_Authority_area%29
oh, because gazans have no gaydar? one of my hosts was gay. i mentioned i wanted to get him a gift before i left gaza to one of our young guides. she took me to a perfume and cologne store w/about as openly gay guy as i’ve ever seen (and i’m from SF). he proceeded to recommend a multitude of scents.
you’d have to be blind not to notice. he works at a shop in downtown gaza.
but i loooved your ‘WikiIslam’ link w/the ‘Testimonies from Former Muslims’ in bold on the righthand side. how impressive. where’s the wikijudea link w/the bolded christian converts column?
we’ve got a live one folks! lol
Who would have thought the 21st century version of the Elder Protocols of Zion would be disguised as a wiki?
Hi Annie,
Since you can not trust Wikipedia, for whatever reason, i suggest you do a search of your own. We saw the same thing regarding Egypt and the sexual harassment of women there. I really question your motivation for dismissing everything which is unjust in the Arab world.
Modern Judaism and the state of Israel is much more sympathetic to the gay community than any Arab or Islamic country. If you are seriously questioning that you should do some homework.
Yes DBG,
They are sympathetic to the gay community, yet they massacre Arabs by the thousands.
Go figure.
Stop exploiting my sexual orientation, thank you very much.
Israel is one of the most gay-friendly nations in the world.
Its probably bad form to respond to such an off-topic comment, but the comment is incorrect …
From Haaretz, in August, 2009, shortly after the murders in the Tel-Aviv gay club:
Gay leaders to Netanyahu: Your ministers incite against us
Looks like I messed up my link. Here it is:
link to haaretz.com
wait, jose ‘i’m first in line to hijack the thread’, wasn’t right? this is the retraction theory of posting: put out the lie, and the subsequent retraction (correction) will always have less of an impact. sorry, jose, that tactic only works with NYT subscribers.
You don’t have to be gay to be tortured and murdered in Israel Jose. Just being Palesrinian is sufficient .
“…when the Christian right was catapulted into mainstream American politics.
Menachem Begin and Yitzak Shamir devised a plan in the late 70s. They recognized the huge Evangelical vote in the US, but also knew that the Evangelicals were still on the Jews killed Jesus rag, and had no use for Jews as a result. They also knew that Evangelicals hated fags, hated homosexuals, as a policy.
So Menachem called Jerry Falwell and said We both hate homos. We need to build bridges to get rid of this scourge in American life.
That’s what started this. Jerry Falwell became the only way that Reagan could communicate with Israel and get a response. Begin would only communicate through Falwell, which gave Falwell ENORMOUS power and he liked those chitlins. It completely politicized the Christian Right.
I’m shortening this considerably, and adding some smart-ass of my own, but this is the genesis of it in the USA. Frank Shaeffer can add to this as well.”
MRW June 13, 2010
link to mondoweiss.net
Michael Lucas approves burning the Koran:
he’ll support burning the Koran and produce films like Men of Israel to promote Israeli culture and tourism. Sounds about right.
perpetuating anti-semitic stereotypes? uh, you mean like jewish pornographers? mr. lucas apparently has a first amendment right to produce porn (a right magically discovered in the constitution for the first time in the late 20th century), and to dissemble on about anti-semitism, but really. go eff yourself. why don’t you just stick to your demeaning, exploitive enterprise and spend your free time thanking g_d that you live in a country where you could become independently wealthy making f*ck flicks.
“Israel is one of the most gay-friendly nations in the world. “
Wow! I didn’t know Israel had the power to edit the Old Testament.
this is good, moose
I’m trying to follow you here. Is the fact of Israel’s tolerance for gays negated, in your mind, by the existence of the Old Testament? Unlike in Muslim countries, scriptures don’t make sexual minority rights law in Israel.
Israelis gays should completely take over their government. In fact I vote all hetros should be banned from politics the world over!
Jose
half a joke, half a warning about the growing power of the ultras
Because gays aren’t suppressed in Israeli culture?
This is idiotic. As if there aren’t persecution of gays in Israel. How many openly gay men and women live in the Hebron settlement?
Shut the f*** up. Seriously. DBG you have no place telling either gay people, or Arab people, what their world is like.
Yeah like I really need a lecture from ‘sensitive’ racist zionists about civic behavior.
DBG thanks for trying but no thanks – i respect you as a human being but sorry not as a zionist.
“I’m trying to follow you here.”
It’s simple Jose, can’t you see? I plan on retiring to Israel, which I thought was a Jewish State, were Judaism and Jews rule, but now you tell me that in spite of Leviticus, Ezekiel, and so many other Biblical proscriptions, I’ll be surronded by faigelehs? What’s next, adultery and whoring after false Gods?
So what you are telling me is Israel has no Jewish morality, and just caters to whatever modernistic whims the Gentiles think up, you know, like accepting Homosexuals, instead of stoning them?
So you’re telling me that Israelis don’t care if their kids turn to buggery, or even the sin of Onan, if it gets them in good with the porn-masters and rich homosexuals?
I may change my retirement plans. I had a condo all picked out in a nice settlement, but Mexico looks better and better.
“scriptures don’t make sexual minority rights law in Israel.” Really? You ought to check with some of the State and Army Rabbis, Jose. They seem to think the Scriptures make a fine basis for minority rights. They quote it in support of their anti-Palestinian bigotry all the time.
MOOSER- re: comment at 3:58. You have outdone yourself on this one. The comment is in a class by itself. I am in awe. On the other hand, be warned. I told my wife that if I ever die laughing, she is to sue for damages. I’m not worth much, but it’s the principle of the thing!
Thank you, Keith. My comments tend to be rambling, and I don’t have the language skills to impart the depth of disgust and revulsion that Zionism and Israel fills me with.
Leviticus 18:22: “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
Leviticus 20:13: In transliterated Hebrew, the verse is written: “V’ish asher yishkav et zachar mishk’vei ishah to’evah asu shneihem mot yumatu d’meihem bam.”
Hebrew Names Version: “If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
Death is sometimes required by the Hebrew Scriptures as the punishment for ritual transgressions. These included the worshiping of other Gods, gathering sticks on the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36), improper eating of ritual offerings (Numbers 18:32), ineligible persons acting as priests (Num 3:10)
All Old Testament canons are related to the Jewish Bible Canon (Tanakh),
Hi Hu Bris (nice name btw)
I do not understand the relevance of your comment.
To help you better understand the major Jewish denominations stance on homosexuality I would encourage you to read this:
link to en.wikipedia.org
Here is a link to the legal status of homosexuals in modern Islamic countries:
link to secure.wikimedia.org
I don’t know why you felt you needed to bring in Judaism as a religion into this debate, I thought it was rather a bigoted response.
shorter dbg
‘hi hubris, nice name. you’re a bigot.’
;)
TOTALLY unlike your bringing Islam into it?
This is disgusting. Do you know how many homophobic slurs I’ve endured from Muslim posters here, DBG? None. Do you want to know how many I’ve endured from Zionist posters?
From earlier: Michael Lucas approves burning the Koran:
DBG: I don’t know why you felt you needed to bring in Judaism as a religion into this debate, I thought it was rather a bigoted response.
O’Rly? that’s a pretty stupid response IMHO, since I was merely contrasting Hebraic Biblical thinking with Jewish Michael Lucas’s rant against the Koran. If he were looking for a holy book to rant against he should probably start with the one his own culture reveres or at least attack both, rather than single out just the Koran – that way I would not be left with the suspicion that he’s a typical run-of-the-mill Jewish Zio-racist.
so I suspect that, rather than being sincere, your ‘bigot’ comment is merely the usual sad pathetic Hasbara attempt to try and gain some non-existant moral high-ground
I was talking about modern Islamic countries Chaos4700. As a homosexual you should really better educate yourself about the situation homosexuals have to face in Islamic countries.
everything you post here is just a variation on the usual sad pathetic Hasbara attempt to try and gain some non-existent moral high-ground
Did you know that Iran’s government pays for sex change operations DGB?
Pakistan is a modern Islamic country. Quite a lot of gay and lesbian sex takes place. It’s looked down upon to a degree. I don’t know if there are laws on the books, but no one reports on gays as far as I know.
A cousin of mine told me a story about two girls who were kissing underneath the tree at the school yard and they were expelled, but weren’t turned over to the government for hanging.
Realities on grounds are not black and white.
not at all black and white and in some things fairly tolerant, Saleema.
how’s that blasphemy thing going, BTW?
are the Pakistani courts really going to execute Asia Bibi, a 45 year old Christian Pakistani woman, on that terribly trumped-up blasphemy charge?
link to dawn.com
are the Pakistani courts really going to execute Asia Bibi
courts? wow, you mean they don’t just send in the assassination squad and shoot her in her bed like israel does?
no, annie, and it’s not true that they boil Christians for the meat either.
how about you either respond to the horseshit blasphemy law …or don’t.
I don’t think that Israelis shoot old guys for blasphemy. hell, they don’t even do that in Utah anymore.
how about you either respond to the horseshit blasphemy law …or don’t.
I thought we were talking about gays and gays being stone in Iran fuster. What happened to that? Weren’t they supposed to have been stoned in January?
I don’t think that Israelis shoot old guys for blasphemy.
No, the IDF just shoots them for being Palestinian.
…inside fuster’s head..
“Crap! The gay stoning canard fell apart! Quick, what’s another good plank of Islamophobia to hate-monger with! Let’s see… aha! If this doesn’t work, then I guess I’ll have to just move on to the worldwide Caliphate canard next!”
Thanks so much for covering this!
better late than never!
Yup – Sounds real friendly to me…
Jerusalem’s gay pride marchers attacked
3 participants stabbed, 13 protesters arrested as ultra-Orthodox crowd tries to halt parade
link to bit.ly
“Jerusalem’s gay pride marchers attacked”
Tehran gay pride marchers –
Oh wait, there aren’t any gay people in Iran:-)
no ones talking about Iran, loser…
did you have another nightmare about Iran?
See post no 1. You making the same parallels.
Your a real hoot, Hophmi. A real fun guy to say the least.
“no ones talking about Iran,”
And that’s too bad, because gay people are executed there.
“did you have another nightmare about Iran?”
No, but the gay people there have lots of nightmares. Because they get killed there.
hop, just propaganda. there are plenty of gay people in Iran and they get executed for it quite regularly.
“hop, just propaganda. there are plenty of gay people in Iran and they get executed for it quite regularly.”
Obviously. I was making fun of Ahmadinejad’s statement that there are no gays in Iran.
lol, good one bro. That was funny. Tell us another one boss!!!
Hops
Just so you know, weirdly, in Iran the government pays for men to have sex-change operations. The Ayotollah Khomeini made it law during the early days of the Iranian Islamic Revolution.
Not only that, but the most sex change operations in the world, happen in Iran.
I don’t agree at all with the ideology in Iran that leads to policies, but frankly at least they accept in Iran that whatever there is in homosexuality, it’s part of human nature. Iran makes homosexual acts illegal, yes, and that’s wrong but they don’t criminalize having homosexual urges, or gender transition.
Which is more than can be said for large swaths of the United States.
I love it how you neocon twits fight tooth and nail to deprive me of my rights at home, but then when you need poster children about how “modern” and “fair” you’re supposed to be, then you trot us out.
Get your dirty hands off of my minority, thank you. We’re not pawns in your culture war.
“Get your dirty hands off of my minority, thank you. We’re not pawns in your culture war.”
Out of curiosity, you wouldn’t happen to be Steve Quester, would you?
Go troll somewhere else. I had enough of this bullshit from yonira.
you wouldn’t happen to be Steve Quester, would you?
so hophmi i’m curious, is this your version of gay friendly?
Chaos, gays ARE pawns in other people’s culture wars.
—–According to the news we have received Ayub and Mosleh, 20 and 21 years old, are in danger of execution by stoning in the city of Piranshahr….
They have been accused of having and filming homosexual relations—
link to stopstonningnow.com
and you don’t own the issue.
screw anyone who wants to oppress you here because of your private life.
you have enough problems dealing with your lack of reading comprehension.
Huh? I was just curious, that’s all. Do you know Steve? He’s very active in pro-Palestinian circles and LGBT circles in New York. I met him a while back. But I won’t hold it against him if he doesn’t answer since it would destroy his anonimity. I was just curious, that’s all.
As far as my position on homosexuality, I have a fairly long and extensive written record of supporting full civil rights for LGBT. I’m glad to send you links to my letters on the issue off-blog.
“I have a fairly long and extensive written record of supporting full civil rights for LGBT”
Too bad you don’t extend that admirable concern for human rights to the victims of racism/zionism in Palestine.
“since it would destroy his anonimity”
I don’t know, it looks like his anonymity is destroying your spelling.
Yes, thank you for your sympathy, Septic.
“I have a fairly long and extensive written record of supporting full civil rights for LGBT. ”
Translation:
some of my best friends are black.
““I have a fairly long and extensive written record of supporting full civil rights for LGBT. ”
Translation:
some of my best friends are black.”
Um, no Chu. People who say their best friends are X or Y are defending their otherwise bigoted position toward group X or Y. For instance, someone here saying Jews control Wall Street, my calling it antisemitism, and them responding that some of their best friends are Jews would be more in line with what you’re talking about.
For reasons only known to her, Annie seems to have interpreted my question whether Chaos was someone I knew who is well-known in the gay and pro-Palestinian communities whom he reminded me of as somehow antigay. That’s just weird.
I’m not antigay, so your barb is idiotic and inappropriate.
He’s not homophobic, see! It’s just we all look alike to hophmi.
Annie seems to have interpreted my question whether Chaos was someone I knew…… he reminded me of as somehow antigay.
asking ‘ is this your version of gay friendly?’ is not by a stretch accusing someone of being anti gay. it’s just clueless. like hey hophmi..do you happen to be moshe silverstein? seeing as your a jew and a zionist and all. something you said reminded me of..so i thought, hey..why not?
kinda clueless that’s all. i assume you know there are millions of gays and millions of palestinian supporters…right? and out here in the blogging world it’s rather notoriously a place where we do not out people’s identities online unless they’ve caused some grave offense.
Israel “is a tiny island of democracy in the jungle of the Middle East and Israeli democracy greatly needs our support. It is something that is important to preserve,” Lucas wrote.
So one man and his cash coffers threatens to boycott LGBT based on his assumption the event is antisemitic? really?
This manipulation of big money donors is a familiar tune inside zionist circles. What’s gross about this pattern is there always seems to be a representative for Israel inside many organizations, that stifles discussion (with the threat of boycott, etc) against the will of the majority inside the group. It’s an effective tactic, but completely opposed to democracy. Money holds hostage open debate, quite a familiar theme, no?
Should LBGT going to publicly apologise for this? That is insult to injury. So much for being gay and free, under the thumb of Zionist machinations.
Yeah Yossi, unless you are gay in Gaza and under siege or regularly bombarded by Israeli bombs or gay in the West Bank and have to go through checkpoints every 3 blocks to get to work or school or gay in Jerusalem and homeless to make way for amusement parks. I can’t think of a more dangerous place on earth for gays than in Occupied Palestine.
The first openly gay judge has just been appointed in Israel
link to pinknews.co.uk
And the only pertinant question is, “Will this openly gay judge continue the denial of human rights to the Palestinians like the other Israeli judges have?”
Of course, he’ll act with his blinders on. Why should he care for those Palestinian Muslims (who torture gays as the 1st poster Jose informs us)?
Being gay doesn’t mean you have greater sympathy for others,
as Michael Lucas shows by his egregious boycott.
Talk about divert alert!!!!
Yossi, as a gay man, I have no sympathy for another gay man who will be signing away Palestinian children to dwell in prison camps for the better part of their childhood.
You should be complaining about DBG. Was his post relevant at all?
Jose is a Zionist first. So he uses his sexuality within a Zionist context.
PR!
Any idea on when first openly Arab judge will be appointed? What’s up with that?
Wow, I didn’t realize how uneducated you guys were about Israel. This may interest you Hu Bris:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Salim_Joubran
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#Representation_in_political.2C_judicial_and_military_positions
Thanks
Any idea on when first openly Muslim judge will be appointed? What’s up with that?
What’s up with Hu? Arab judges for a long time.
Salim Joubran is an Israeli judge with a permanent position on the country’s Supreme Court.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Before Joubran’s appointment, Abdel Rahman Zuabi had served as a Supreme Court Justice.
link to en.wikipedia.org
I stand corrected -
hey, Hu, that’s fair of you and cool.
DBG,
You’re using an old edition of hasbara. There’s a 2011 version which I’ll be happy to pass on.
I also have a violin you could play your fav 9/11 tunes, your dancefloor hit ‘Hamas Rockets Are Falling’, and not forgetting of course the romantic classics: ‘I Am The Only Chosen One’, ‘Me, Me, Me’, and ‘Yes That’s A Gun In My Pocket’.
Oh for Pete’s sakes zionuts, give us an argument worth debating for a frigging change – stop with your 101 hasbara! Like how many times to we have to go over the same BASIC hasabara lies on this site?!
I also have a violin you could play your fav 9/11 tunes, your dancefloor hit ‘Hamas Rockets Are Falling’, and not forgetting of course the romantic classics: ‘I Am The Only Chosen One’, ‘Me, Me, Me’, and ‘Yes That’s A Gun In My Pocket’.
you forgot that perennial classic “Oh look over there – it’s an existentially threatening large-firework”
and also – “Has that Arab child got a ‘drive us into the sea’ twinkle in his eye or is he just unhappy to see me?”
first openly gay judge
omg that’s amazing!!!!!
i wonder if they’ll be able to wrangle convictions out of him w/those photos of him pissing on boys back in his idf days?
just kidding!
Jesus, Annie.
moses, jose
Tennis, anyone? :-)
daiquiris?
;)
Dr. Scott! Brad! Janet! Rocky!
>> Dr. Scott! Brad! Janet! Rocky!
I love that sequence! :-D
Israel and its supporters are relentless in their drive to censor inconvenient truths. Pro-censorship is not compatible with democracy or freedom of speech. Go back to your autocratic despots in the Middle East who would agree with you. Waving a gay rights banner whilst attacking Palestinians and imprisoning children is not progressive, I think you’ll find.
It’s too bad that the event is being disrupted. If people find that calling Israel an apartheid regime is, at bottom, outrageous, they know the right thing to do.
“The only way to disprove a lie is to establish the facts,” declared Judge Hadassa Ben Itto.
Adding that she personally witnessed “real apartheid” in South Africa years ago, she condemned the concept of an Israeli Apartheid Week as “outrageous” and called for responsible educators to set the record straight.
As for the treatment of gays in Gaza…..
Zahar condemns gay marriage, saying: “Are these the laws for which the Palestinian street is waiting? For us to give rights to homosexuals and to lesbians, a minority of perverts and the mentally and morally sick?”
link to rainbownetwork.com
Maybe annie might find out what it is that Hamas’ morality police do.
Oh gosh, yes. MORE white people telling those stupid agitators like Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela off when they don’t have a clue what apartheid really is. I mean really, how would THEY recognize it?
“Adding that [Hadassa Ben Itto] personally witnessed ‘real apartheid’ in South Africa years ago”
LMAO. When it comes to the question of whether Israeli Apartheid is comparable to South African Apartheid, I’ll take the opinion of someone like Rev. Tutu over the ravings of a Zionist.
What is the problem? Instead of funding stupid boats to Gaza, take the money and give it to the center. That will change their minds. Why not do something constructive once instead of just complaining?
the problem, eee, is that most Americans object to people with money, and the influence that their money buys, using that influence to stifle the interests of younger and less influential people.
you are of course correct in pointing out that rich and influential people and groups are using their influence to promote their own agendas against Israel’s regime, but we Americans like to think that money shouldn’t talk quite as loudly as Lucas’s money is talking.
(it’s so vulgar, as Philip is implying with a couple of “porn-king” mentions. free speech is free speech, of course, but, well, porn means he’s not ….. you know…. really a respectable person or something)
Who are these “rich and influential people and groups” you are talking about, exactly? Haim Saban? AIPAC? Mike Huckabee? Joe Lieberman? Dick Cheney? John McCain? Rush Limbaugh? Rupert Murdoch? Ben Bernanke? Rahm Emmanuel? The NYT? The Washington Post? John Boehner? Eric Cantor?
Who are you talking about, exactly?
…Same question. Who are these rich and influential leaders of American society you are refering to who reject the notion of “Money talks?”
Chaos,
Who are these rich and influential leaders of American society you are refering to who reject the notion of “Money talks?”
you read my comment incorrectly, as per usual.
RIF. RIF. RIF. RIF. RIF.
No, you just can’t answer so you’re going to pretend like the question didn’t make sense. I’m fine with that. Ignorance becomes you.
Chaos, reread the comment. Try to get it right instead of sulking and sticking out your tongue.
find the part where I said
“rich and influential leaders of American society you are refering to who reject the notion of “Money talks?””
because you won’t.
that’s pretty much the opposite of what I said.
RIF RIF RIF
You’re ignoring the entirety of what I said to nitpick on semantics to try to salvage your point.
Who are these mythic, wealthy, powerful organizations who are trying to destroy Israel by feeding hungry Gazans that you referenced? Name names.
Chaos, when you learn how to read I won’t have to ignore you as much.
There’s little reason to explain what I didn’t say.
besides, you still haven’t answered the question of why people shouldn’t think that you’re a bigot after that remark you made comparing certain people to a dog and pony show.
when does that get answered?
chaos didn’t compare any people to a dog and pony show he said this:
and he’s right as far as i am concerned and how that makes us bigoted is beyond me. a dog and pony show means ‘on display’ generally in a carnival fashion. like look world, we have drag queens tooooo!!! we’re so liberated even tho we piss on little boys for lunch break. israel is using the gay community like a dog and pony show. putting them on display and dangling them around like trinkets. it’s disgusting.
I think the frog has a fly stuck in his mouth.
Fuster can’t back up his bullshit claim. Noted.
has a fly stuck in his mouth.
no more of those bigoted remarks, Cliff.
you’re hurting folks feelings even suggesting something such as that.
it doesn’t sound like you support the community at all.
Can we ban this troll? Seriously? Fuster has done NOTHING but insult and post off topic and, when things come down to it, lie outright. He’s flooding the blog with crap, honestly. And I’m tired of putting up with these rodeo clowns that Israel props up in the hopes that people don’t notice while they piss on the future of the Palestinian people. LITERALLY.
No, Chaos, fuster can’t stop chortling about what you claim as his claim. back your own dumbass self up and read the notes.
Your myopia has absolutely nothing to do with the condition of your eyes, incidentally.
and you acting like a dickhead has nothing to do with sex, BTW.
It’s more a personality thing on top of a reading comprehension deficiency.
Eee rejects the “stupid boats“, huh.
Huffington Post not allowing criticism of Jon Stewart again. Not posting one of my comments criticizing Stewarts softball interview with Rumsfeld last night.
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Has anyone checked out the unedited interview with Rumsfeld? Jon isn’t even trying to be funny, he’s just letting Rumsfeld have it. The only thing is, Jon isn’t cutting off people.
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Stewart’s interview with Rumsfeld was weak at best. I saw Stewart rip into Chris Matthews when he was on on Stewart show far more viciously than Stewart ripped into Rumsfeld. This was for something that Chris Matthews had said in his book. Stewart was an ass with Chris Matthews...an easy target.
Yet with Rumsfeld Stewart called him “sir” never said “lies” allowed Rumsfeld to divert him. Stewart went soft on this war criminal. Can Stewart even say “Niger Documents” He did bring up the Office of Special plans which Jason Vest covered in the Nation before the invasion and Seymour Hersh covered after the invasion. We have yet to witness one person held accountable for that “pack of lies” that was created, cherry picked and dessiminated out of the Office of Special Plans.
Stewart played softball with Rumsfeld
What the hell does all this media shit have to do with the topic at hand?
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Jon stewart paralyzes action. Notice how he never explicitly says anything against the scumlicans. He promulgates a suffering tolerance. He’s no progressive. I don’t like him.
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What are you talking about? Because Jon doesn’t call people names or act like he works for Fox News you don’t like him? Do you expect all progressives to act like Ed Schultz?
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Follow Yes, I think there are some who want those talking heads on “their side” to sling mud. It is so sad. I wish being kind and respectful were second nature. Being “nice” is hard work – which is why resorting to name calling and hyperpartisanship is so prevalent. Too bad.
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Have seen Jon Stewart go after Chris Matthews in a vicious way while playing softball with Bill “bloody” Kristol and now “mushroom cloud” Rumsfeld last night. Stewart carries water for the I lobby and Israel by repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran and never criticizing Netanyahu or the illegal settlements in the West Bank.
Huff Po seems to protect Stewart by not allowing serious criticisms of Stewart to make it up at your post. What is up with that?
Jon Stewart must be forced nightly and for exactly one-half of his time on-air to read from scripted remarks prepared by Kathleen.
Renaming of his show is still being contemplated as the suggested “Jon Stewart Goes Galt” isn’t scoring with the focus groups.
why would anyone put faith in Stewart anyway?
He’s an actor who doesn’t have the courage to use
his real last name. That says enough in itself.
What name do you and Kathleen think he should use?
They were stating a matter of fact, fuster. So when did you stop beating your wife, Mr. Straw Man?
“What name do you and Kathleen think he should use?”
his real last name?
Hu and the others can have a vote to decide what Stewart should call himself.
There’s no reason that it should be up to Stewart alone. Very undemocratic that. Denies Chu and Hu (and toto too) their say in the matter.
Send out the ballots Mr Bris.
Fuster is just making a stupid straw man. You’ve manufactured this whole “You’re trying to tell John Stewart what his name should be!” canard. All that was pointed out was that John Stewart doesn’t use his real name.
the blight of the fustering wound!
I’m not big on the whole” let’s demonize people for undergoing nominal identity reassignment” thing, Chaos.
it’s not what we do here in this country.
it’s closer to your best buddies the Iranian theocrats and their nasty laws that call for executing people who don’t wish to practice the religion that their parents chose for them.
how could you defend that? do apostasy laws fail to offend you?
where’s your commitment to freedom of conscience?
This is morbidly entertaining.
Chu: John Stewart isn’t using his real name.
fuster: Why are you attacking John Stewart?! What? Do you think he should call himself Johnny Jewboy? Is that it, Chu? Huh?
Me: You’re simply making a distraction.
fuster: Why do you hate America, Chaos?! Why do you want Iranian gays to die?! WHY? Why do you secretly support the Iranian mullahs? Why do you hate freedom?! You support the terrorists! You hate Israel and that’s why you want gays to die! Never forget! *mouth foam*
This is really becoming theater of the absurd, here.
You must hate these guys then.
link to youtube.com
how could you defend that fuster?
Do conversion laws or ethnic cleansing fail to offend you?
Where your commitment to human rights? oh that’s right, it only surfaces when discussing Iran.
Poor fuster. he’s trying so hard to turn every thread into one about Iran and no one is biting.
Go troll on another topic. You Zionist jerks are only making a dog and pony show of LGBTs because it’s fodder for your culture war.
When that spotlight fades, we’re stuck with you hypocritical jerks torpedoing the gay rights movement at home.
Hi Chaos, members of the LGBT community which I know are mortified by the treatment of homosexuals in Islamic countries. Can’t you hate Israel and accept that their treatment is less than humane? I don’t see why you need to pick one side or the other?
False dichotomy. This notion that I support the oppression of gays in Iran is outright slander and it’s disgusting. The FACT is, that Palestinians are treated worse by Israel than homosexuals in Iran.
Iranian gays face execution by trial for something that isn’t a crime. Palestinians, gay or not, are summarily executed, have their homes destroyed, lands confiscated, farms razed and children targeted, imprisoned and tortured for years.
If this were WW2, and I was railing against Nazi Germany instead of focusing on anti-Semitism in Great Britain, would you label me an anti-Semite?
Exactly.
Chaos—Iranian gays face execution by trial for something that isn’t a crime. —-
you’re again wrong Chaos.
it most certainly is a crime……
””””””’On Sunday, November 13, the semi-official Tehran daily Kayhan reported that the Iranian government publicly hung two men, Mokhtar N. (24 years old) and Ali A. (25 years old), in the Shahid Bahonar Square of the northern town of Gorgan.
The government reportedly executed the two men for the crime of “lavat.” Iran’s shari`a-based penal code defines lavat as penetrative and non-penetrative sexual acts between men. Iranian law punishes all penetrative sexual acts between adult men with the death penalty””””””
link to hrw.org
see, Chaos, they even have a name for the crime and everything.
they’re a really swell regime.
could be that when Ahmadinejad (that lousy little jackass) said that there were no homosexuals in Iran, he was merely broadcasting his intention to kill every last one.
but you keep right on nodding and grinning and saying that it’s not so bad and Palestinian have it worse.
let me know when you find that Israeli law that says all Palestinians should be executed.
but you keep right on nodding and grinning and saying that it’s not so bad and Palestinian have it worse.
did you see this? i dared you.prove it.
Still pulling 6 year old reports fuster? Your nails must be split with all that barrel scraping going on.
Meanwhile, Israel has been killing Palestinians at a rate of 1 every 2 days. But hey, Iran’s the real human rights violator here.
You don’t care about Palestinians, you don’t care about gays and you certainly don’t care about Iranians. You just care about ripping on anyone who isn’t a staunch “loyal” Zionist Jew.
Go away, Nazi. We don’t want what you’re selling fuster.
Let’s all remember here how kind hitler was to his pet lobster.
nah, Shingo, did you miss the one from two weeks ago?
the one where Iran proudly announced that two homosexuals were going to be STONED to death?
Iran loves to kill people that don’t agree with their filthy medieval interpretation of Islamic law.
they kill more prisoners for political crimes than any country but China.
they love to call them enemies of God.
link to theblaze.com
no scraping necessary, except for the necessity of the Iranians scraping these filthy beasts off their shoes and out of their government.
The news indicates that they will be stoned this Friday, Jan 21st 2011.
do you have an update?
According to what?
The International Committee Against Stoning
And are we seriously to believe that 2 gay men would have been foolish enough to video themselves having sex while holding up pictured of Ahmadinejad? Seriously fuster, do you get pleasure from soiling yourself in public? Or do you get paid by the word by Hasbara Central for any anti Iranian hyperbolic post?
When was the last person stoned to death in Iran fuster? Surely you have that listed along your pre-prepared talking points.
Nicely spotted annie. I hear crickets.
what is don’t hear is that my answer went into the mod queue and then wasn’t published.
no idea why.
no, Shingo, what you’re seriously to believe is that two men made a mocking movie about the Iranian Topo Gigio, were arrested, and sentenced to death for being homosexuals.
if you don’t want to believe it, that’s fine with me.
link to democraticunderground.com
link to gaytravellersnetwork.com
link to gbmnews.com
my answer went into the mod queue and then wasn’t published.
oh please, next you’re going to be telling us your superduper msm article confirming that dare got eaten by your dog.
this must be pretty big news in iran i would imagine. i’m sure jpost or haaretz would have articles right? the guardian ? do you have any international msm source confirming this stoning? i’ve heard of these threats in the past but when is the last time anyone was stoned in the ME? do you know?
maybe if your posts didn’t get thru your sourcing was challenged.
ask the moderator, annie old girl.
and whoever is doing the modding sure ain’t MY dawg.
my answer to this was posted at 11;32, Shingo.
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Seriously. Troll.
and my 11;32 answer to you, Shingo still is in the half-way house at 1:14.
could be the three links.
Oy Vey, new trolls, and we gotta go through all the same crap all over again. “The moderator ate my answer” was played out a while back.
Of course don’t believe you fuster, but the point is what your sources say. The all three of your links are basedon the saem upsubstamtiated report, which incidentally, claims the 2 men should have been stoned last month.
So what happened? Surely your friends at gaytravellersnetwork should eb able to fill you in?
the dog and pony show is part of ‘progressive-y’ forces in america. why obama’s justice department just announced that it won’t defend the DOMA in court. see how progressive-y he is?
“why obama’s justice department just announced that it won’t defend the DOMA in court. see how progressive-y he is?”
Unless you have one heck of an explanation, you might want to reconsider your comment. As far as I can see, not defending DOMA is a good thing.
Yeah, it’s not really all that encouraging. They fought tooth and nail to protect DADT. And if Obama and Holder really thought the law was unconstitutional, they could challenge it right now.
yes, mooser, not defending DOMA is good. my point is that the obama administration’s use of this announcement is cynical, a progressive fig leaf covering a broader conservative agenda, and may be used to split progressive opinion of obama on other issues, like I/P for instance.
“my point is…. for instance.”
I see. Your point is well taken. Maybe I’ve just been so severely disappointed by Obama (and I was no fan of his to begin with- ever read his speeches? Don’t bother, he says nothing.) that I was looking for some ray of hope.
was looking for some ray of hope.
i was too. i voted for him. what will we do if he is running against candiate palin in 2012?
“i was too. i voted for him. what will we do if he is running against candiate palin in 2012?”
The only answer to that is: Kaynahorah!!
Whoa! I can see what’s going on, and as usual, it’s my fault! Instead of posting the link to :
link to jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com
which I used to do at least once a day, I have been remiss. And now Mondoweiss is infested again. That’s:
link to jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com
Every single ridiculous word our Ziocaine-addled trolls spew is covered in the linked article. Frankly, I think Mondoweiss should reprint this classic article, but really, the fault is mine, and mine alone.
The article contains the whole of Hasbara which can all be extropolated from four basic statments:
1) We rock
2) They suck
3) You suck
4) Everything sucks
And if I’m not mistaken, Jose and the rest have hit all four in this thread, repeatedly.
lol, you so crack me up moose
I’ve missed that list moosee – good thing you brung it up again.
“Frankly, I think Mondoweiss should reprint this classic article, but really, the fault is mine, and mine alone.”
oh yeah, blame the Jew!! bloody typical!!
I don’t know, why do I get the feeling that if Zionists were trying to get something from older conservative American Jews, the first thing they would try is bragging about Israel’s adherence to Jewish moral values.
Or maybe crowing about Israel being “gay-friendly” goes over good with the Christian Zionists? Hard to know.
That is one goddam fungible Jewish State they got there.
I wonder if you’ve ever thought about what those 4 categories mean? They are simply basic principles of argument. Positive point, negative point, ad hominem, and appeal to comparisons. I don’t think you can make an argument without it. Basic principles, my moose. Give it a try.
“.. …, my moose..”
watch out, Mooser. He’s claiming that you belong to him now -Yahweh gave you to him 3000 yrs ago – Mooses said so in the Bible.
“Mooses said so in the Bible.”
Many people don’t know the writers of the Old Testament worked under very stringent conditions, with a great shortage of letters, especially “O’s” That’s why they left out the “O” and the name was shortened to “Moses”. And in time, the shortened version became the accepted spelling.
OMFG! This guy thinks this is what sane rational people actually do when it comes to serious debate.
Jose, you must be insane or are joking.
If you are serious (and sadly delusional) something went dreadfully wrong in your upbringing and education.
Argument is rhetoric, which is speaking well with rationality and honestly….to persuade with truth. That is what wins the soul.
Attack and ad hominen, comparisons are not debate, not rhetoric. Are the principles of a lost stance, lost argument…..of a loser.
” They are simply basic principles of propaganda”
Joser, can you see? I fixed it for you.
“I wonder if you’ve ever thought about what those 4 categories mean? They are simply basic principles of argument. “
ROTFLMSJAO !! Jose, I know you’ll be flattered when I show your comments to Gabriel Ash (who wrote the article). I bet he didn’t know quite how accurate the article was! It’s nice to have it confirmed right from (as the saying goes) the horse’s ass!
Yes sir, Jose, I can see Zionism has one hell of an advocate in you!
It’s easy to see that, either by dawn’s early light, or even the rocket’s red glare!
They are simply basic principles of argument. Positive point, negative point, ad hominem, and appeal to comparisons.
is this what you learned at the settlement hasbara weekend workshop?
did they mention it’s the WAAAY you do it? for example let’s check out some of your contributions (cough):
Israel is one of the most gay-friendly nations in the world.
a very boring version of 1) We rock
If you had to list the 10 worst places for gays, they’d all be Muslim countries.
a very boring version of 2) They suck
here’s moose’s response to your hasbaristani verbiage:
so tell me yossi, is that
1) We rock
2) They suck
3) You suck
4) Everything sucks
whatever it is it’s certainly entertaining!
;)
I’m trying to find a single contribution by Annie that doesn’t amount to “you (Jews) suck.” At least I use all 4!
Jose, don’t get discouraged! What’s more important, Jews, the lives of Jews, or the Jewish State? Heck, there’s millions of Jews, and a lot of them like me, low-quality, of suspect racial mixtures, and even outermarried. But there’s only one Jewish State! And it’s pure Jewish! So what’s a few Jewish lives, or a few Jewish lies, if they are in support of that noble project?
Don’t ever be ashamed to lie, cheat, steal, or kill for the Jewish State, Jose! Remember, Statehood (especially ethno-religious supremacist types) are a dirty business. And why should we Jews be the only ones not to try it? T’ain’t fair! Why shouldn’t we throw our sacred religion (and its holy proscriptions of gay sex) into the mix. Sure, we’ll fail, just like every state of that type, and it’ll take the remains of the religion down with it, but in the meantime, we’ll show those Gentiles, whoops, I mean Arabs, oh hell, we’ll show the entire world what we’re made of!
Jose, can you see (like the Mexican at the ML ballgame) how proud I am of you for making Aliyah and going to live in Israel, and defending Israel with your own blood. I mean, if you hadn’t done that, I might think you were some kind of phony.
And besides, Jose, you can see that even a cursory view of Jewish history shows that Jews ruling other Jews has always been a fantastic sucess. I mean, isn’t that why we held on to the Holy Land until Gen Allenby came to acknowledge our single-handed victory over the Ottoman Empire? And the unparalled sucess, the dizzying heights reached by Jewish exclusivity in Europe.
Yes sir, if there’s one thing history tells me as a Jew, it’s that I should allow “Jewish leaders” to decide things for me. It’s always worked out so well!
Crickets.
“Crickets”
Jose, just because you endorsed as real what was a satire, a parody of Zionist reasoning, is no reason to start hurling Israeli Hebrew curses at me.
I appreciate your honesty tho! As soon as you saw the list, you jumped up and said: “That’s me, and proud of it!”
“I’m trying to find a single contribution by Annie that doesn’t amount to “you (Jews) suck.”
Oy, I know, and doesn’t it stand in stark contrast to the veritable mountain of empathetic, compassionate, egalitarian, comments from Zionists I’ve read here.
Jose, I don’t want to shock you, but the old schtick of condemning criticism of Israel and Zionism as anti-Semitism is pretty much played out here.
But you go ahead and use your religion any way you see fit. If that’s what you think Judaism or Jewishness is good for, as a shield to defend the actions of Israel and Zionists, have at it.
obviously he missed my popcorn and daiquiris comments.
the song is good, too.
I left a comment with the original article. I’m sure Gabriel will be pleased for the endorsement.
“They are simply basic principles of argument.”
Hey, I know, maybe Jose takes the same epistemology classes as “eee”!
Jose, maybe you should put some Geritol in your borscht. I think you’re suffering from an irony-poor diet!
(If I’ve used that joke before, just tell me and I’ll leave it out)
Thanks Mooser for the “you suck too.”
Of course it’s antisemitic. Everything is.
For the record moose, I do live in Israel. In Givatayim. And I never killed any Palestinians. I only shot at one Arab, and I
missed.
so you don’t live in argentina like you told us before? i’m shocked.
What is it with Israeli obsessions about lying who they are, anyway? Remember that one fool who was here, who pretended to be on the fence and oh so very objective, then pretended that we “pushed” him toward siding with Zionism, and then revealed he was actually Israeli in the first place?
lololo..yes. i’ve been laughing so much today. it’s all so transparent. everyone is in good form. nice to see you chaos,
“What is it with Israeli obsessions about lying who they are, anyway?”
It’s simple! The Jewish State is more important than any old Jew (who could never survive without the Jewish State) and certainly more important than veracity. A lie to promolgate Zionism is a noble lie!
It stems from a lack of collective confidence. As a result, paranoia haunts Israeli society. And the knowledge that the state was born out of ethnic cleansing hangs over the heads of most Israelis. That is why the Israeli government has repeatedly demanded that the Palestinians recognize Israel’s right to exist, a process where the victimizer seeks validation and approval from the victim.
“so you don’t live in argentina like you told us before? i’m shocked.”
Not Argentina? Gosh, seems like I distinctly remember hearing “Flying Down to Rio” in Jose’s early comments. And now it turns out he was prevaricating? I’m shocked, plotzed!
What a horrible world I’m trapped in, where the truth is anti-Semitic!
From Argentina, I moved to Israel. I thought you guys knew that all the Jews were interlopers in Palestinian land?
Joe- you actually said you lived in SA
Well of course you did, he was probably moving. Israelis fair much better when against babies, children and the elderly, as records show.
the advantage to the coward of killing women is they’re basically defenseless like fish in a barrel plus they can no longer breed. same w/kids. hence the t shirts.
this is ethnic cleansing.
You;re lucky he wasn’t IDF or he would have bombed your neighborhood, you know, to defend himself
I only shot at one Arab, and I missed
some of those kids are so fast they make difficult targets. i saw the bbc special linked here this morn. these iof chasing these little kids (seriously, like 6,7,8 whom were throwing rocks (huge boulders/not)). after iof gave up and are heading out of the village they turn around and blast the place w/their guns.
wtf? why do they even need to be there? they don’t.
Jose, why did you shoot at anyone?
lol, truth on the web.
I started my military service in 2005. In 2006 I served in Lebanon. I returned fire once after an ambush, although I had no chance of hitting anyone I realize now. I was not in an infantry unit even, or anything of the sort.
thanks Jose for the info.
most folks here haven’t been fired on. wouldn’t much understand.
I knew it’d be some bullcrap about defending himself from duh evhull!!
JonS – And I never killed any Palestinians- I only shot at one Arab, and I missed.
It is a measure of how far removed, the average Zionist Israeli mind is, from what most people consider ‘normal human behaviour’ , that JonS is comfortable making such a statement.
That the statement is unaccompanied by any thing even remotely approaching a hint of remorse, regret, humility or embarrassment is a clear indication of the psychopathology which results from a life spent immersed in the hell that is Zionist ‘eternal victim-hood’ indoctrination
JonS, to a normal un-Zionised individual, your statement is not fundamentally different from saying:
or even, to give a slightly more extreme example:
After all, what could be more normal?
Everyone else was doing it, right?
You were only following orders, Jon, eh?
“When in Rome . . etc etc . . .?”
“That the statement is unaccompanied by any thing even remotely approaching a hint of remorse, “
Or, as I immediately noticed, any stipulation that he was in the Armed Forces and under orders. No, he was just shooting at “Arabs”, but happened to miss.
yeah – I was going to point that out, but decided that I would pretend to give him the benefit of that doubt on that point.
Given that he earlier pretended to be a South American, still living in SA, and that he now admits to living in Israel (and who can now be sure that he’s being honest about even that much?) and given that by doing so he has shown his absolute 100% preparedness to lie at any given moment in the service of Zionist Hasbara, I just decided it wasn’t even worth trying to argue that point.
I reasoned that even if he wasn’t in the murder-gang known as the IDF, at the time he tried to murder a Palestinian, he’d probably just lie and say that he was.
Now that I have pointed that out, he’ll probably forsake the ‘Nuremberg defence’ and pick the more brazen ‘Yeah, so what? I shot at that filthy Arab and I’m proud of it!!” option, and then invent some moronically ridiculous great-big-whopping lie about how the filthy Arab he tried to murder, was actually engaged in some fictional terrorist activity which would have killed lots of innocent little Zio-kiddies – . . . . . and kittens, . . . . lotz of em
You were hoping for “shoot and cry”?? I didn’t no you were into that!
no Joe – I was hoping for some sign of humanity – silly me
maybe directly you haven’t killed any palestinians I am 100 precent positive indirectly though you have.
you’re 100% indirectly responsible for countless slaughter, pj.
and if I ever find out what the hell you or I am talking about that percentage may increase.
Well, see you later, Jose! I’m sure that 1) endorsing what was an obvious parody of hasbara reasoning, and 2) being caught lieing about where you are (yeah, like “Jose” is a Jewish name) is all in a days work for you, and you’ll be back tomorrow.
But then we all know that after the incredibly satisfying Ziocaine high comes the ziocaine amnesia, which allows you to forget what a goddam fool and liar you exposed yourself for.
So where will you be from next week?
Rwanda, probably
Rio is not in Argentina, Moose. I said I was from Buenos Aires. One can be from a place and live in another pace, Moose. You really oughta get a passport.
nah Joe – you actually said you lived in SA – don’t try to lie about it now