Help Mondoweiss stay afloat with a voluntary subscription

Dear Mondoweiss Supporters and Contributors,

As you know, the Israel-Palestinian question grows more and more urgent with the slow meltdown of the two-state solution and never ending colonization of the West Bank and Jerusalem. Although there doesn’t seem to be much political will in Washington to turn the tide, this site is a reflection of the growing awareness that the status quo cannot continue.

Donate to Mondoweiss.net now
to keep open the free flow of
 information about the Middle East

Far from it being difficult to find material, we are now swamped in new material every week. We have increased our coverage – monitoring the Israeli, Arab and American press – and introduced dozens of new contributors. We plan close coverage of the upcoming flotilla and the September UN vote on Palestinian statehood, including some exclusives, and we’re planning another reporting trip to Israel/Palestine : the kind of stories the mainstream simply won’t publish.

We need your help to allow us to continue this breadth of coverage and continue to grow the site. At a time when many online news organizations are experimenting with new models of underwriting news, we’ve decided to start voluntary subscriptions to Mondoweiss.net.

Donate to Mondoweiss.net now
to keep open the free flow of
 information about the Middle East

We plan to hire a part-time editorial assistant with the money raised during this fundraising drive to help us keep up as the site continues to grow in size and influence. We’re here to stay, and we need your support to ensure that Mondoweiss will be around for the long haul.

We would like to suggest a monthly subscription of $5/month for those of you who can afford it

[sniplet summer-subscription-drive]

Of course, larger one time donations are also very much appreciated. ;)

As a way to mark our exciting new partnership with the Center for Economic Research and Social Change, and Haymarket Books, all subscribers will get a copy of Omar Barghouti’s new book on BDS from Haymarket.

boycott divestment sanctions the global struggle for palestinian rights
boycott divestment sanctions
the global struggle for palestinian rights

And those who are able to donate $100 or more will receive a copy of Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappe’s new book on Gaza, Gaza in Crisis, also published by Haymarket.

Gaza in Crisis Chomsky Pappe
Gaza in Crisis Chomsky Pappe

In addition, everyone who subscribes will get a sustainer star beside his or her handle on comments. We will continue to enhance site features to make the site more user friendly and robust as the conversation, and debate, continue to grow.

Thank all of you again for your contributions to this site as both readers and writers. It’s been wonderful working and growing with you. Never to relent, never to falter in our pursuit of understanding and justice.

Best,

Philip Weiss & Adam Horowitz

311 Responses

  1. seafoid
    June 27, 2011, 8:00 am

    “Help Mondoweiss Stay Afloat Under Israeli Attack ”

    What does this mean ?

    Did the Nation get hit by the Ziotards?

    BTW I don’t think it is fair to add a star * to the tag for contributors.
    $60 may be too much for many committed contributors in this economic climate
    and it would not be good to have 2 classes of contributors. Donations should be private.

    Witty should be charged per word of spam.

    • Adam Horowitz
      June 27, 2011, 8:51 am

      Yeah, I’ve changed that, it was the wrong choice of words. We are not “under attack”, but we certainly need the support of our readers to keep the site going.

      Also, we wanted to try out the star system as one way to acknowledge our financial supporters. No one will have more access or privileges on the site, it’s just a way of saying thank you and note that the site will only continue with the financial support of our readers.

      Thanks!

      Adam

      • seafoid
        June 27, 2011, 8:54 am

        I think a party for all the contributors would be a better idea.
        Stars and none are too divisive, IMO.
        If I am reading someone’s post and it is really good I don’t care whether or not that person is a donor.

      • alec
        June 27, 2011, 10:28 am

        Throwing a Mondoweiss fundraising party would be a great idea (except that the Mossad would probably bomb it via the Dubai 11 and then try to pin it on Hamas), if it weren’t for the geographic disparity.

        It would be very difficult to get many of us together in one place and certainly it would cost many times the cost of the website so to do.

        The right time for a party will be when the Palestinians finally get the state for which they’ve been waiting 60 years.

      • Sumud
        June 27, 2011, 10:58 am

        (except that the Mossad would probably bomb it via the Dubai 11 and then try to pin it on Hamas)

        Pin it on Omar Barghouti more like it – he’s the one that’s keeping them awake at night, he’s just so damned reasonable with his quiet facts and skivvies!

      • hophmi
        June 30, 2011, 12:07 pm

        “Throwing a Mondoweiss fundraising party would be a great idea (except that the Mossad would probably bomb it via the Dubai 11 and then try to pin it on Hamas)”

        Somehow I wonder if you actually believe this.

    • alec
      June 27, 2011, 10:24 am

      Hi seafoid,

      There are not two classes of contributor. Those who do not donate are absolutely welcome. The star is a star of appreciation for those who are able to support Phil and Adam’s work.

      Both of them work around the clock on the site and those who are able to support their work materially certainly deserve a star of appreciation.

      • Taxi
        June 27, 2011, 10:42 am

        What if someone prefers to donate anonymously? Then you lose their donation, not so?

        Even though I appreciate where you guys are coming from, I really think the star system sucks and is bound to be divisive in ‘some’ people’s minds. Giving such a cool book away like you are is enough ‘giving back’. Really, more than plenty.

        I urge you to reconsider this fluffy huffpostian idea. Not suitable for a crowd that fancies themselves as high-brow intellectual something or another. Please don’t do it. Not a good idea or a classy move.

      • seafoid
        June 27, 2011, 11:08 am

        There is something weird about stars and a website that works to bring justice to Israel which was founded in part as a reaction to an organisation that made Jews wear stars …

        I wouldn’t like younger visitors to be put off posting because they can’t afford to “buy” a star .

        Maybe Mondo could sell virtual goods to the starwallas and watch the resale market grow as Israel collapses in on itself. I don’t think those who don’t donate need to know anything about those who do.

      • Danaa
        June 27, 2011, 11:21 am

        I think the star idea is clever. Puts the pressure on people to dig out a couple of bucks. What I want to see is whether eee, jon S, Robert Werdine and GF will contribute.

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2011, 12:24 pm

        “What I want to see is whether eee, jon S, Robert Werdine and GF will contribute.”

        I bet they will, although I doubt the funds will come from their pockets.

      • eee
        June 27, 2011, 3:42 pm

        Don’t expect me to contribute, I contribute to Shurat Ha’Din and other worthy causes. I’ll learn to live without the star…

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2011, 5:10 pm

        Don’t expect me to contribute,

        You haven’t contributed a goddam thing yet, so why would you start now?

      • Citizen
        June 27, 2011, 5:38 pm

        For all here, eee contributes to this Zionist masturbatory POV:
        link to israellawcenter.org

        Of course you all know that already. Eee, since you are allowed on this web site for free, and use it to spread your POV, please give us specific instructions on how we can access Shruat Ha’Din and spread our POV without immediately getting kicked off. Thanks.

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2011, 6:40 pm

        “I’ll learn to live without the star…”

        Oh, go ahead and take it. You and your murderous pals have already made mincemeat out of most everything positive it ever stood for, so what the heck.

  2. lobewyper
    June 27, 2011, 8:25 am

    “BTW I don’t think it is fair to add a star * to the tag for contributors.
    $60 may be too much for many committed contributors in this economic climate and it would not be good to have 2 classes of contributors. Donations should be private.”

    Agree!

    • stevieb
      June 28, 2011, 1:31 pm

      We can finally agree on something Mr.Witty…

  3. Richard Witty
    June 27, 2011, 8:27 am

    I also think it is a dumb idea to highlight contributors.

    You create a class system by it, which I thought you opposed vehemently as a principle of the site.

    • seafoid
      June 27, 2011, 8:57 am

      Anyone making hasbara points should require a hasbara licence ($500 , similar to the congress system ) with all proceeds to go to the Gaza charities who treat children suffering from white phosphorous burns.

      • Lydda Four Eight
        June 27, 2011, 7:31 pm

        great idea. charge a hasbara license.

    • Mooser
      June 27, 2011, 10:19 am

      Can’t wait to see your name with a star next to it, Richard.

      • Richard Witty
        June 27, 2011, 11:26 am

        You won’t see it Mooser.

        I don’t have money for this. Only time.

      • Sumud
        June 27, 2011, 12:20 pm

        I don’t have money for this. Only time.

        I nominate that Richard should be given a free gift star. He’s making a much larger contribution [to the liberation of Palestine] than he seems to realise.

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2011, 12:26 pm

        “I don’t have money for this.”

        Wow! And I thought I was the only poor, unsucessful Jew in the world!

      • Donald
        June 27, 2011, 6:20 pm

        “I don’t have money for this. Only time.”

        I sympathize with you on the lack of money aspect (seriously), but as for time, I think we all wish you’d contribute less. Well, unless your comments actually had something to do with the post they follow, and didn’t always blame Hamas for Israel’s behavior.

      • libra
        June 27, 2011, 7:05 pm

        RW: “I don’t have money for this. Only time.”

        Richard,

        I realise times are hard but perhaps you could offer to auction a “Witty-free Week”?

        That way everyone wins. Mondoweiss gets some money. You get a week to dedicate to your own web site. And the rest of us get a short break. What could be more in the spirit of “Live and let live”?

        I’ll open the bidding with $10.

      • alec
        June 27, 2011, 7:42 pm

        I’ll see your ten and raise you another. $20, libra.

        Witty Free Weeks could be the 2011 fundraising breakthrough which Phil and Adam need.

      • libra
        June 27, 2011, 8:22 pm

        Alec, I’m going to have to raise you to $30 before I log off for the day. But for that sort of money would some sort of page header along the lines of “This Witty Free Week was brought to you by…” be possible?

      • Richard Witty
        June 28, 2011, 6:29 am

        You’ve had “Witty-free” weeks and accused me of “disappearing”.

        Your attempts to censor do not present an attractive principled form of dissent.

      • Taxi
        June 28, 2011, 8:32 am

        They’re just kidding with you Richard. (I’m empathizing with the underdog here not agreeing with his general maxims and maximalisms).

      • Mooser
        June 28, 2011, 9:57 am

        “Your attempts to censor do not present an attractive principled form of dissent.”

        Okay, that’s a classic Halfwitticism! That ones gonna ring down through the ages. It’s the “attractive” which does it. That’s genius!

      • Sumud
        June 29, 2011, 6:12 am

        You’ve had “Witty-free” weeks and accused me of “disappearing”.

        Gee Richard, do you think it was because you just “disappeared”, or because you (employing RW-style use of quote marks) “disappeared for 2 weeks immediately after Israel started their executions on the Mavi Marmara, after bashing the flotilla non-stop for a week prior, including insinuating the participants had violent intentions”.

        Really, you think you can just say this stuff and no-one is going to pick up on it?

      • lobewyper
        June 29, 2011, 10:51 am

        OK, Richard, I value your contributions–if only because you give us a chance to respond to common misconceptions about the conflict. I’ll be your “matching donor” and pony up the $30 for you if you can get someone else to match my donation.

      • American
        June 30, 2011, 1:11 am

        Do you want a star witty?

      • alec
        June 30, 2011, 5:42 am

        Thanks for the input. That’s a great idea. Let it be so.

        We’re ready on the technical side, we just need Phil and Adam’s go-ahead. That’s another $80 in the bank account for just the first month. At $1000/year, RW would be one of Mondoweiss’s biggest supporters.

      • alec
        June 30, 2011, 5:50 am

        Richard, what people complain about is that after yet another Israel massacre or assassination you disappear for a week or ten days. When the head dies down, you pop back up, you continue repeat your same old tired and trite Hamas/partner for peace talking points as if nothing had happened.

        We know you know better and most us feel you are anything except sincere. You are an apologist for ethnic cleansing, oppression and apartheid.

        I bet you didn’t know that this is who you would grow up to be when you were surrounded by young liberals and accepted.

        But Sméogol didn’t expect to grow up and become Gollum either.

      • Citizen
        June 30, 2011, 7:32 am

        And let’s not forget the warning exhibited by that old film/story The Golem.

      • libra
        June 30, 2011, 8:18 am

        Alec: “We’re ready on the technical side, we just need Phil and Adam’s go-ahead. That’s another $80 in the bank account for just the first month. At $1000/year, RW would be one of Mondoweiss’s biggest supporters.”

        Alec, I’m not sure what you are referring to above. But I confess I made a fundamental mistake when I suggested Richard could offer a “Witty Free Week” to support the MW fundraising efforts. I overlooked the fact that the heavy yoke of Zionism has robbed Richard not only of his youthful sense of idealism but also his (undoubted) youthful sense of fun. Instead of seeing it as a humorous way to contribute towards his bandwidth costs, he saw the heavy hand of censorship being raised to silence his voice. But nevertheless I think his view on this must be respected.

        Ironically, I’m one of the MW readers, like lobewyper, who appreciates the value of Richard’s contribution and would be prepared to support it. MW would be all the poorer without its diversity of views. Indeed, that’s part of what makes it worth supporting. So could there be an explicit way for people to donate to support this diversity of views? Perhaps in a way that acknowledges Richard’s unique contribution but without stigmatising him? For example, by being given a donation option to (something along the lines of) “The Better Wheels Fund. Directly supporting the non-editorial operating costs of providing a diversity of views and comments to our readers.”

        Not only could this provide a means of making an additional donation to support a diversity of views, but it could be a means of making smaller, anonymous donations (e.g. with a suggested starting amount in the region of $5 – $10) for those, for whatever reason, are unable to contribute at the “star” level (perhaps for some because they do not agree with its editorial line). But I think it might be interesting to have a separate summary (e.g. amount, number of donations) for any such a “Better Wheels Fund”.

      • alec
        June 30, 2011, 10:28 am

        Hi Libra,

        Feel free to sponsor Richard Witty for a star. Apparently, RW has fallen on hard times, so your support of his contribution would be most welcome.

        Alas my calculations above are wrong. After a Witty-free month or two, people would forget how nice life is without his thread-jumping non-sequiturs and would stop contributing as much.

        So we’d need to alternate Witty-free weeks and months with normal contributing months. The most money we could raise out of Witty’s absence would be about $500/year.

        Much better if you would just donate in his name.

      • Citizen
        June 30, 2011, 10:37 am

        Witty’s just engaging in his tried & true “creative accounting.” Believe me, his home is not in foreclosure, and he’s not down to the last dollar in any coffee can buried in back yard & he’s not worried about money to eat out at a restaurant or get Chinese food delivered. That’s my firm belief and I’m sticking to it. Besides, he can always borrow from the black maid he grew up with because she was part of his family, as he said.

      • hophmi
        June 30, 2011, 12:09 pm

        It’s amazing you’re a moderator. It is telling that your aim is a site where everybody thinks exactly the same.

    • Mooser
      June 27, 2011, 12:53 pm

      “You create a class system by it, which I thought you opposed vehemently as a principle of the site.”

      See how screwed up the American public school system is? They told me the Nazis enforced a cruel and rapacious occupation on Eastern Europe and France, but now I find out it was only a “class system”.

    • Donald
      June 27, 2011, 6:13 pm

      Richard, this is one of the few times I agree with you. Of course I also agree with everyone who ridicules you, but there is no contradiction there.

      I’m going to give money (via snail mail) but I only mention that so people won’t think I’m whining about the star system without giving anything. I think the star idea is stupid.

    • LanceThruster
      June 28, 2011, 6:51 pm

      Curiously, I often pick up a copy of the LA Jewish Journal (a petty webmaster – now gone – banned my IP’s so I can hardly find a “clean” site to post from online, let alone read articles online) and there’s page after page of charities and donation listings that make a very big deal of what level donor you are and feature the highest ones prominently. Seems there’s very, very, few there making their donations anonymously.

      Is this also a “dumb idea” and are they guilty of a “class system” too?

      Just curious.

  4. Adam Horowitz
    June 27, 2011, 8:55 am

    What are the classes? Everyone will have the same access, the voluntary subscription system is just one way we are asking our readers to support and sustain our work. It is essential for the site to survive.

    The stars are just an arbitrary way of acknowledging and thanking our financial supporters, who we need and are extremely thankful for.

    • Mooser
      June 27, 2011, 10:18 am

      Bear in mind, Mr. Horowitz, that if Mondoweiss can be accused of, or even suspected of the slightest ethical, rhetorical, or moral mistake, it excuses or justifies everything Israel or Zionists do. Remember: You Suck!

      • Adam Horowitz
        June 27, 2011, 10:27 am

        Thanks for the reminder! :)

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2011, 1:05 pm

        “Thanks for the reminder! :)”

        Oy! Hoof-in-mouth disease (as endemic as dictyocaulosis in my kind) strikes again! When I said “You Suck!” I was, of course, referring to this . You knew that, right?

      • Danaa
        June 27, 2011, 11:25 am

        Mooser – you forgot grammatical, typographical and numerical errors! Linguistic lapses are just as important a clubs to wield in the hands of the zio-centauri (short for zionist centurions), as the ethical ones. When the deficit is so great picking and choosing is a luxury.

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2011, 12:32 pm

        Seems like an “opt-out of star” feature would be a good idea, and easy enough to do. For those of us that wouldn’t join any club which would accept them as a member, if you know what I mean.

      • RoHa
        June 28, 2011, 12:19 am

        “you forgot grammatical … errors!”

        Oh crap! I’ve been working for Mossad most of my life, and I didn’t know it.

        Hey, how about some back pay? $5 for each linguistic error I’ve corrected, and I’d be able to afford a big donation to MW.

  5. lobewyper
    June 27, 2011, 9:04 am

    But Adam, someone who makes a one-time donation of $100 gets no star, but they could get a star by donating only $5 a month for a year ($60). BTW, I think the T-shirts should be purchasable individually instead of having now to donate $500 to get 5 of them…

    • Adam Horowitz
      June 27, 2011, 10:27 am

      Sorry if it wasn’t clear. Any donation over $60 would be considered a subscriber. $5 a month is a the base that we asking people to consider giving, but we’d gladly accept more! :)

      Thanks,
      Adam

    • Adam Horowitz
      June 27, 2011, 10:28 am

      Also, yes I agree about the tshirts. We have a limited amount right now and they’re going towards the fundraiser, but we do plan on having them available individually as well. Thanks.

      • Citizen
        June 27, 2011, 5:43 pm

        Gee, I will buy one of those MW T’s. Nobody I ever come in contact with will have the slightest clue what Mondoweiss means.

  6. Kathleen
    June 27, 2011, 9:18 am

    Oldest wedding, youngest last semester of college. Funds tight. But I know I can hold my head high doing free advertising and lobbying for Mondoweiss.

    Do we get stars for that?

    Thanks for all of your work Mondoweiss team

    Wondering if folks could contact BBC World service while they are airing this morning. Ask them when they will cover the US to Gaza and the rest of the flotilla. Piling on works. Most of us know this

    Please email now..while they are on air
    [email protected]

  7. Kathleen
    June 27, 2011, 9:41 am

    Ok just did more advertising for Mondoweiss sent to the BBC for the hundredth time. Know I have brought hundreds of readers to this site. Some of them heavy MSM hitters.

    Do I get a star?

    • lobewyper
      June 27, 2011, 10:10 am

      YES, and one additional star for every MSM hitter!

      • Kathleen
        June 27, 2011, 10:27 am

        Am not able to verify that they are here. But trust me.

  8. bijou
    June 27, 2011, 10:15 am

    Stars are the wrong approach because they will be an ever-present reminder of distinction vs not. And as Kathleen pointed out, they fail to recognize those who contribute in other non-financial ways.

    I suggest instead that you add a separate page to name and recognize contributors of all kinds — without any distinction between those who gave $5 or those who gave $1000, and include those who make significant contributions in time, content or some other way. Although that is problematic too because some folks don’t want to be identified by their real names…

    Can’t you just drop this whole approach? It’s divisive and brings out the worst in everyone… and it feels kind of kindergartenish.

    Or maybe put the recognition into their name profile instead? And in words, not in stars? Such as “Site contributor” or “Major site contributor?”

    • alec
      June 27, 2011, 10:20 am

      Hi Bijou, lobewyper, Kathleen,

      The stars are stars of appreciation. Those without stars are absolutely welcome.

      Unfortunately, Mondoweiss needs to be a sustainable environment. It can’t just be Adam and Phil carrying the can for us all financially. Not if we expect the quality of coverage and work they’ve been able to provide.

      • Kathleen
        June 27, 2011, 10:31 am

        Are you saying the finances come out of their pockets? I believe they are paid and should be. Hey folks if you can send money and do everything else you can. This is a critically important site. Do everything in your power to promote and support it.

        Star or not…who gives a rats ass.

        Although I think the t shirt idea is better..but really do not care.

        If I had a spare money you can bet your ass I would be sending to Mondoweiss or the US to Gaza “Audacity of Hope”
        Just give anyway you can. Important work being done here

      • Adam Horowitz
        June 27, 2011, 10:37 am

        Thanks Kathleen, and yes sorry if that isn’t clear. All expenses for the site come from Phil and me. When we don’t raise money we don’t make money.

        We do not have any financial backers other than the readers of this site, so we really need your support.

        Our last fundraiser was in December, so if felt like it was time.

      • American
        June 27, 2011, 5:03 pm

        I didn’t realize you guys weren’t getting paid thru your affiliations with first The Nation and now the Center.
        Just clear me up on one thing…do our donations go to the Center to be ‘shared’ with you or will they go totally to mondo less maybe a pittance for the Center? That might be factor in how much some of us want to or feel we need to donate for a specific amount to reach mondo.
        Not that I object to making a donation thru the Center’s tax deductable org, always helps, just want to know what % of donations would reach mondo.

      • alec
        June 27, 2011, 5:46 pm

        Hi American,

        From what I understand, CERSC is only taking 3% of the fundraising drive to cover bank/financial costs. We can donate with confidence. Every dollar will really help Phil and Adam keep up the pace.

        Thanks for asking.

      • Adam Horowitz
        June 27, 2011, 9:50 pm

        Yes, again sorry this isn’t clear. Neither the Nation Institute nor CERSC pay us to run the site, although both are very generous in offering us their administrative support and non-profit status to fund raise with. CERSC just takes a nominal amount to help cover the administrative tasks (which we are incredibly thankful for).

        Your donation to Mondoweiss goes directly to supporting the content you see, and will allow us to dedicate more time to making the site better, and less time worrying about money.

        Thanks,
        Adam

      • American
        June 28, 2011, 12:43 pm

        O.K. I just subscribed…….on my wife’s credit card..she has all my money….LOL

        But have to say I am not crazy about the star thing. If you have to use some incentive like that, and since this site says it is Jewish Progressive you might have some who think the star has bad connotations, so consider some other logo type thing.

      • Philip Weiss
        June 28, 2011, 1:00 pm

        I know American, but the deal is that we thought this was a good way to try and raise money. We’re going to try it out a little while. American flag has stars, right? Graumann’s Chinese has stars?

  9. Richard Witty
    June 27, 2011, 10:20 am

    Adam,
    Ask yourself if you would like a pro-Israel site that distinguished between who contributed financially and who didn’t.

    The merit of an argument should be the sole basis of credibility, not who one paid.

    • alec
      June 27, 2011, 10:21 am

      Planning not to contribute, Richard?

      If quality of argument should be the basis on which to value a contributor’s work, I can see someone in trouble already. Perhaps you meant to say quantity and not quality?

    • Adam Horowitz
      June 27, 2011, 10:34 am

      I don’t think I would like a pro-Israel site, but I guess that’s a different issue.

      We like the idea of acknowledging our financial supporters and the stars are one way to do it. We need to raise money to keep the site going. We appreciate all the support we receive from everyone in all the forms it comes, but at the end of the day we need to raise money to sustain ourselves and the cover the costs of the site.

      If anyone who wants to donate doesn’t want to be publicly acknowledged we’d be happy to forgo the star, but it seemed like small way to recognize the people who chose to support our work financially. Again, it does not indicate a differing level of access.

      • Sumud
        June 27, 2011, 10:52 am

        Adam, why not adopt bijou’s suggested approach and make a page listing contributors or perhaps simply apply the star (six sided and blue please ~ make them cheeky) on the individual’s profile page rather than each and every comment they make. Or, best, let them choose if they want comment stars or just a profile page star – I’d choose the second option.

        I can understand the desire to acknowledge contributors but it will stratify people and I imagine act as a psychological entry barrier to new people commenting. Egalitarian is a good thing and it is the esprit de corps of cyberspace.

        I’m newly self-employed (AKA on a shoestring budget) so didn’t contribute to the last two MW fundraisers. I’ll subscribe now though, so will be eligible for a star. My first thought was “oh, cool”. But then, actually, that much more gratifying is the occasional update on how the website is going, hearing about traffic numbers, and witnessing the increasing scope and influence of Mondoweiss. No stars required.

      • Adam Horowitz
        June 27, 2011, 12:24 pm

        Thanks Sumud and Bijou, interesting idea.

  10. Mooser
    June 27, 2011, 10:36 am

    I can just about hear “Guilty Feat”, “eee” and “jon s” thinking right now: ‘$60.oo? Wow, that star would be cheap at twice the price!’
    And oh, the kvetching when a “star troll” has a comment deleted.
    BTW, those stars, are they five or six pointed?

    • lobewyper
      June 27, 2011, 11:19 am

      Elementary, my dear Mooser: 6-pointed for Israelis and anyone holding Israeli citizenship; 5-pointed for the rest of us.

  11. lobewyper
    June 27, 2011, 10:41 am

    Look guys, all you need is one Edgar Bronfman. Can’t we find one very rich individual that’s willing to give millions to Mondoweiss?

    • Danaa
      June 27, 2011, 11:34 am

      you nailed it lobewyper. It’s the saga of all progressives sites and causes. The rich are not rolling up in their limousines. By definition, progressives and money are breeds apart (with a little itzy bit of crossing of the lines).

      But face it, there’s a downside to having a sugar daddy. They invariably exact a price. My worry about MW was not the absence of one but the prospect of one or two mysteriously materializing out of the blue.

      • lobewyper
        June 27, 2011, 11:43 am

        Danaa–I was only kidding~! Everybody knows that all of us liberals are po folks…

      • Adam Horowitz
        June 27, 2011, 11:47 am

        Uh, just to clarify, we are not opposed for finding a sugar daddy, and would love it if “one or two mysteriously materializing out of the blue.” We would never sell out the editorial judgement of the site to any donor, but we need to find ways to sustain the site.

        Neither Phil not I have made any money in three months. This can’t continue.

      • Richard Witty
        June 27, 2011, 12:36 pm

        The book didn’t realize any money?

        How about some other content oriented products?

        Filmed long interviews/conversations
        Documentary
        Traveling presentation for a fee

        Consulting services to others attempting similar (in different content areas than yours)

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2011, 5:14 pm

        Yes sir, I’m sure Phil and Adam will be glad to take money-raising suggestions from a guy who just told us he ended up broke!
        Started out inheriting a business, but ended up broke, yup, I bet you have lots of successful ideas.

      • Cliff
        June 27, 2011, 6:07 pm

        I don’t like Witty, but that’s kind of mean Mooser. =\

      • Richard Witty
        June 27, 2011, 11:51 pm

        Mooser,
        My financial scene is not great. I lost a job of nine years about two years ago and haven’t worked consistently since.

        I do tax planning and preparation and financial consulting professionally and am writing a book and series of lectures on tax planning strategies for low-income people.

        I live in a rural area and even though I’m good at what I do, I don’t have hundreds of clients, nor charge giant fees.

        There are MANY of my skill-set “temporarily” out of work, and I’ve shifted to an attitude of commitment to be of help, and assume that good things will come from good contributions.

        In the 1990’s I jumped off the bridge of a CPA career to produce audiobooks on progressive themes. I was committed. The production company morphed into a progressive audio library. It was before netflix and certainly before youtube. I lost an inheritance doing it.

        But, I did learn something in the process. One thing that I learned was that there is no potential business in serving political activists. They don’t have money.

        For activists the question of whether to charge for information that they want to spread widely, is a difficult one.

      • annie
        June 28, 2011, 12:21 am

        i’m always amused when people who are broke are financial consultants.

      • Antidote
        June 28, 2011, 3:50 am

        the real joke is when CEOs who run companies and banks into the ground defend exorbitant salaries and golden hand shakes with the argument that this is necessary to continue to attract the ‘best and brightest’ to the business. Financial success and incompetence, and ruthlessness, are not incompatible, it seems. Maybe even two sides of the same coin, generally speaking?

      • Richard Witty
        June 28, 2011, 6:33 am

        Annie,
        Try to discipline your speech.

        It is a dumb mistake to convey anything candidly to you.

      • Mooser
        June 28, 2011, 9:47 am

        “It is a dumb mistake to convey anything candidly to you.”

        “Candid” Yup, whenever I see your name at the top of a comment Richard, that’s the first word I think of.

      • Donald
        June 28, 2011, 10:55 am

        “My financial scene is not great…”

        Good luck with your professional life, Richard. The choices you made sound admirable and I’m sorry they didn’t work out better for you. I’ve got a friend who has been unemployed for quite a while (for different reasons). It’s rough out there.

      • Richard Witty
        June 28, 2011, 1:41 pm

        Thanks Donald.

      • Stone
        June 29, 2011, 3:01 pm

        Thanks for your reply on the WW2 history. Somehow I had missed it before. I know I looked at my other post on the issue. But apparently I didn’t go back to the first post. This site is great but there’s so much to read day to day. So I try to spread things out and then people go on with new matters which makes sense. It’s a lot to read. Thanks!

      • hophmi
        June 30, 2011, 12:12 pm

        “Traveling presentation for a fee”

        I hear Iran is nice this time of year.

    • patm
      June 27, 2011, 5:03 pm

      lobewyper,

      I said to these two lads a couple of months ago, read Ralph Nader’s “Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us”. Or better yet, get a hold of him and pick his brains. He gives and details about these S-R folks. Some of them have even read the book, I understand. What’s to lose?

      Mind you, I know nothing about Ralph Nader’s views on Israel.

      • alec
        June 27, 2011, 5:50 pm

        I had no idea Nader wrote such a weird book. I think I’d rather wait for the proletariat if I had to pick my odds with them or the superrich, but I’m not going to wait for either of them to build a better world. If a better world is important to you, I suggest you not wait either.

        What better way to start than to offer Phil and Adam a helping hand in a going concern.

      • patm
        June 27, 2011, 6:17 pm

        I gave already, for pete’s sake. This tip was extra.

      • alec
        June 27, 2011, 6:47 pm

        And thank you for the tip. Heaven knows Barrack Obama and the current Democratic caucus are working hard to make Nader voters look good.

      • lobewyper
        June 28, 2011, 5:57 pm

        patm,

        thanks for the Nader reference. It got rave reviews on Amazon–will put it on my “to read” list!

      • patm
        June 28, 2011, 6:20 pm

        I’ve not read it, lobewyper, just about it. If you find in the book any s-r folks worried about the Israel Lobby’s influence on the US and Canada, let Phil and Adam know asap. cheers

  12. Shmuel
    June 27, 2011, 10:42 am

    Now the star-bellied sneetches had bellies with stars, and the plain-bellied sneetches had none upon thars.
    link to youtube.com

    • Mooser
      June 27, 2011, 12:34 pm

      I knew Shmuel would be the one to come up with the appropriate Talmud quote. Good work, Shmuel!

      • tree
        June 27, 2011, 2:54 pm

        I knew Shmuel would be the one to come up with the appropriate Talmud quote.

        Ha! And here I thought I had no religious upbringing when in fact I was reading the Talmud as a young child!

  13. Pixel
    June 27, 2011, 11:11 am

    Missed that thing about stars….

    —> A CRITICAL LAPSE IN JUDGEMENT!!

    —> WRONG MESSAGE!

    —> DELEGITIMIZES the site!!

    Shocking, really.

    There’s NO legitimate way to rationalize it. It’s UNbelievable that anyone would think this was a good idea for Mondoweiss. If I was a new person coming onto the site, when I realized what stars meant, I’d never come back.

    …And what about anonymous donors???

    > > RECOMMENDATION :

    Rip the “Star of Mondo” off the sleeve of this site and never look back.

    (Sorry for shouting but I, HONESTLY, can’t believe this.)

    • Adam Horowitz
      June 27, 2011, 11:49 am

      How does it delegitimize the site? It’s just a way to acknowledge donors.

      I hope any new visitor to the site realizes we need money to make the site go. If they don’t realize that, that’s our fault, because we do.

      • Cliff
        June 27, 2011, 6:06 pm

        Yea, I don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s just a way to say thank you to people who donate.

      • annie
        June 27, 2011, 6:50 pm

        i agree but personally i don’t need any public kind of acknowledgement for helping to support the site.

        i think we could have something like a sponsor policy.

        the site wouldn’t exist without the readership, that includes those of us who comment but obviously way more people read the site than those of us who comment. so contributing is just a way to give back to the site, for us and the myriad of people out there who depend on MW to get their daily updates on what’s happening wrt the conflict as well as hearing voices, all our guest writers.

        i think the best way to acknowledge sponsors (those who donate) is to have a sponsors page/link that includes a gracious thank you and then lists the contributors by whatever name they choose and an opportunity to say something on that page, that would make it fun to read. someone could decide they whether they wanted to be anonymous or not. i could decide to be listed as mondogirl and i could say something like:

        spending a dollar a day supporting this site is the best investment i’ve made towards saving humanity today plus it keeps me sane constantly reminding me there are people out there who care and speak their minds. the only way we are going to own the narrative is by investing in great sites like mondoweiss who expose the truth every single day. i am proud to be a mondoweiss sponsor

        .

        or something uncorny, funny and/or refreshing!

        plus, imagine how cool it would be to hear from all the people who read this site and don’t normally comment!

        i ran into someone who told me they donated $50 last year and i didn’t even know they read mondoweiss.

    • alec
      June 27, 2011, 5:56 pm

      Hi Pixel,

      I think you are overreacting. Anonymous contributions are also welcome. Most people here participate under handles in any case.

      Wearing a star voluntarily in a mission of good serves as a message of solidarity with those once forced to wear stars against their will. We work to end present injustice and recognise the injustice others have borne in the past.

    • alec
      June 29, 2011, 9:13 pm

      Pixel you get one shot at shouting and insulting those of us doing the work. That’s twice now.

      Have you been donating regularly in the past?

      If not, how do you expect Mondoweiss to finance itself? By bottling Richard Witty’s hot air?

      What I find most amusing about the complaints about the stars – with a few exceptions – is that the loudest of them come from those who have not contributed in the past and have few plans so to do.

      • gazacalling
        June 30, 2011, 4:26 pm

        What I find most amusing about the complaints about the stars – with a few exceptions – is that the loudest of them come from those who have not contributed in the past and have few plans so to do.

        That just shows it’s working exactly as it should.

  14. eee
    June 27, 2011, 11:16 am

    No stars please! Once again it will be evident that Jews give more than non-Jews and one would hate having to deal with all the conspiracy theories about how Jewish money influences the discourse. As for raising money, pursuing justice should be its own reward. No?

    • Danaa
      June 27, 2011, 11:36 am

      eee – me, I just want to see you pay a little to hang out with the rest of us. Especially now that I know you like flash mobs…

    • Sumud
      June 27, 2011, 11:43 am

      No stars please! Once again it will be evident that Jews give more than non-Jews…

      Well eee, I agree about the stars but not for the absurd reason your propose. I can’t imagine anyone who doesn’t support the goals of Mondoweiss is likely to subscribe, and I can’t imagine that anyone except someone looking for evidence of the superiority of jews is likely to tally up and determine the religion of sponsors. At first I thought you were joking, but then I remembered…

    • Woody Tanaka
      June 27, 2011, 11:49 am

      “Once again it will be evident that Jews give more than non-Jews…”

      Go away, bigot.

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2011, 12:37 pm

        “Once again it will be evident that Jews give more than non-Jews…”

        ROTFLMSJAO! And that scares the hell out of you, doesn’t it, “eee”!

        And of course, if “non-Jews” give more than Jews (don’t worry, they’ll be able to tell, by consulting the “Dictionary of Jewish Names, Pseudonyms, and Internet Handles) that will be because of anti-Semitism! You can’t lose, can you?

      • hophmi
        June 30, 2011, 12:13 pm

        “Go away, bigot.”

        You first.

    • lobewyper
      June 27, 2011, 11:51 am

      Well, eee, good to know at least one of us will be counting Jewish vs. non-Jewish donors–that should be super useful information…

    • Mooser
      June 27, 2011, 12:42 pm

      “one would hate having to deal with all the conspiracy theories about how Jewish money influences the discourse.”

      Yeah, you will find it hard to explain why “Jewish money” influences and supports the anti-Zionist discourse.
      Man, are you dumb, “eee”!

      • eee
        June 27, 2011, 2:35 pm

        You guys are total schmucks. Who has been counting and complaining about Jewish political contributions in the US? This site and you!

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 27, 2011, 3:09 pm

        Don’t you have something else to do? Maybe some kittens to torture?

      • Citizen
        June 27, 2011, 5:59 pm

        Why then, eee, do you bother to come here?

      • Cliff
        June 27, 2011, 6:14 pm

        eee is going to accuse you of blood libel!

      • American
        June 27, 2011, 6:41 pm

        Supporting a ‘information source’ and forum you take part in is different from buying politicians and subverting democracy, which is suppose to represent the common good and not be up for sale.

    • annie
      June 27, 2011, 2:58 pm

      it will be evident that Jews give more than non-Jews

      heavens to mergatroid eee. is there no limit to your weirdness.

      • eee
        June 27, 2011, 3:08 pm

        So much for hoping that subtle mockery will be understood…

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2011, 5:19 pm

        “So much for hoping that subtle mockery will be understood…”

        Oh, I don’t think there’s too little understanding around here. I bet most readers understand that your years in the IDF have made you afraid to sign your own name.
        BTW, eee, why do you have such a big grudge against the IDF? You seem to have made it your life’s mission to leave Mondoweiss readers with the worst possible impression of the IDF and it’s “soldiers”.

      • Citizen
        June 27, 2011, 6:00 pm

        Yeah, eee, you’re subtle & your triple e blends.

  15. annie
    June 27, 2011, 12:30 pm

    i urge everyone to consider signing up for a small monthly contribution. it feels good.

  16. seafoid
    June 27, 2011, 12:47 pm

    Mondo apparently has 3 million visitors per year.
    How many people post ? Maybe 300 ?
    What difference will stars against a comment make if most people are lurking?

    • eee
      June 27, 2011, 2:22 pm

      Just cough up your $60 and stop complaining. Living in Manhattan ain’t cheap.
      I have to say that this has been one of the most amusing comment sections in a long time. Almost as good as the ones with the flash mobs.

      • annie
        June 27, 2011, 3:00 pm

        this has been one of the most amusing comment sections in a long time.

        i have not followed it but after reading this scrolled up just a little. maybe i’ve really missed out on something. did you really just say it will be evident that Jews give more than non-Jews. what a crackpot you are.

      • Danaa
        June 27, 2011, 3:19 pm

        eee, you and I – a flash mob! what do you say? you can carry a tune and dance, can’t you? shouldn’t be too difficult to recruit a few more to make a major mob – bring your friends too……(you know who). I am sure people will pay good money to see you kick up a storm (don’t know about me, but….anything for a good cause, right?). We can split the proceeds too…. yours to the local animal shelter – mine to save the whales (and tigers and pandas and cows and kittens) + Mondoweiss.

      • lobewyper
        June 27, 2011, 4:57 pm

        “We can split the proceeds too…. yours to the local animal shelter – mine to save the whales (and tigers and pandas and cows and kittens) + Mondoweiss.”

        No person who loves cats can be wholly bad…

      • patm
        June 27, 2011, 5:07 pm

        “Just cough up your $60 and stop complaining.”

        Easy for you to say eee, since Hasbara Central will be footing your bill.

      • Taxi
        June 27, 2011, 5:22 pm

        “No person who loves cats can be wholly bad”.

        What about Doctor No and his white fluffy Persian?

      • lobewyper
        June 27, 2011, 6:37 pm

        Well, Dr. No was a psychopath, and psychopaths are not really capable of genuine love, so that’s what I have to say about that.

      • jon s
        June 28, 2011, 1:20 am

        Are you sure Doctor No had a cat?
        Of the James Bond villains I distinctly recall Blofeld with the cat.

      • Antidote
        June 28, 2011, 4:04 am

        OT: cool cat

        link to youtube.com

      • Taxi
        June 28, 2011, 8:13 am

        jon s,
        You’re better at the history of movies than you are at the history of Palestine.

        “Ernst Stavro Blofeld, the founder of SPECTRE. … frequently petting a white Persian cat in the bond movie, ‘From Russia With Love’.

      • lobewyper
        June 28, 2011, 12:26 pm

        Nice clip–thanks!

      • lobewyper
        June 28, 2011, 2:27 pm

        OK, then Blofeld had to be a psychopath, too!

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2011, 5:44 pm

        “Living in Manhattan ain’t cheap.”

        Maybe not, but we can always get vintage whines from you, free!

    • alec
      June 27, 2011, 6:00 pm

      Hi seafoid,

      There are thousands of registered users. More people care than one would at first think.

  17. gloriousbach
    June 27, 2011, 4:21 pm

    This site is incomparable and one of the most important on the net

    Whatever I have to do to get to a thousand $$$ by Thanksgiving, short of selling my grandchildren, I’ll do. I’m a (bad) Catholic and I can drive up the RCC $$$ numbers for this drive (*lame humor attempt) and, worse, I lurk here.

    So, I am grateful not only to Phil and Adam but also to the Kathleens, Annies, Mooser, Taxi et al., who are so dedicated and informed. Even the predictably depressing Hasbara cant from eee and Mr. Witty are vivid reminders of the corrosive intellectual effect of the Zionist worldview.

    If (when) I make it to the ”etoile” level, I’ll rent out the star, free-float it to whomever might appreciate it. Thank you all.

  18. David Samel
    June 27, 2011, 4:35 pm

    I think it’s perfectly reasonable for mw to recognize contributors publicly, but agree with bijou that it should not be with a star for every comment. That is a little too in-your-face. I would prefer if it were listed separately, and/or in the new (great) feature of commenter profiles. That’s my vote, for what it’s worth.

    Also, for comic relief, a couple of months ago, I received a mysterious package in the mail with a return address from Bratislavia, Slovakia. My wife asked if I had ordered anything from there and I answered no. She worried that it might be from one of my enemies from mondoweiss, and I assured her not from the ones I know about, but then again, I could not rule out an anonymous nut. While she busily researched the company located in Bratislava, I held the package at arm’s length, turned my face away, and opened it gingerly. Out popped the mondoweiss tee – a beautiful garment by the way. I guess our friend Werdine got something right when he called me paranoid.

    • alec
      June 27, 2011, 6:05 pm

      People are very friendly in Bratislava, David. Thanks for sharing the story of your t-shirt arrival. It was carefully packed by beautiful wood elves.

  19. Jim Holstun
    June 27, 2011, 5:39 pm

    Maimonides on the eight levels of blessedness in giving (link to chabad.org)

    Level Eight: Giving grudgingly, with a sour countenance.
    Level Seven: Giving less than you can afford, but doing so pleasantly.
    Level Six: Giving generously, but only after being asked.
    Level Five: Giving before you are asked.
    Level Four: The recipient knows the giver, but the giver does not know the recipient.
    Level Three: The giver knows the recipient, but the recipient does not know the giver.
    Level Two: Giving anonymously, where the recipient does not know the giver and vice versa.
    Level One: Helping someone become self-sufficient.

  20. lobewyper
    June 27, 2011, 5:52 pm

    “Out popped the mondoweiss tee – a beautiful garment by the way.”

    It is indeed, but it needs to come in big/tall sizes, as well.

    And while we’re talking about the T-shirt, why doesn’t “Mondoweiss” have a “dot net” after it?

    • Citizen
      June 28, 2011, 1:18 pm

      Ah, I assumed the t-shirt would have a “dot net” after it–it’s not bright not to include the web path. And it needs to come in XLge too. T-shirts shrink.

  21. Citizen
    June 27, 2011, 6:06 pm

    Can we buy a MW t-shirt or two? How much? In what colors? For those of us who tune into MW daily and make comments it would remind us our time is valuable even when nobody has a clue we come here and spend so much time here. Who knows, some day somebody just might even ask us what Mondoweiss means when they see us at the gym or at a family or neighborly gathering? Perhaps that’s so unlikely it is just dreaming in daylight….

  22. alec
    June 27, 2011, 6:11 pm

    Hi Citizen,

    I’m lobbying for the t-shirts to be for sale but it doesn’t look like that will happen very soon . For the moment, your best bet is to choose a subscription + $25/shirt (includes postage: not cheap) and drop a note to Adam with your sizes with your contribution.

    I think the shirts are a great awareness tool too.

    • Citizen
      June 28, 2011, 1:15 pm

      Hi alec,
      Thxs for responding. How do I contact Adam or Phil for this?

      • alec
        July 2, 2011, 7:02 am

        Include a note with your subscription donation. Thanks!

  23. lysias
    June 27, 2011, 6:53 pm

    Is there a new snail mail address to send checks to, with the site’s new affiliation?

    • Adam Horowitz
      June 27, 2011, 9:53 pm

      Yes Lysias, thanks so much. You should make the check payable to “CERSC – Mondoweiss” and send it to CERSC, PO Box 180165, Chicago, IL 60618.

      Thanks!

  24. gazacalling
    June 27, 2011, 7:06 pm

    The star idea is cool and a great way to pressure people to contribute.

    Without contributions, this awesome, free site doesn’t exist.

    All the whiners about the stars should just contribute enough to make the site financially sound so there’d be no need to pressure others to contribute.

    BTW I never got my t-shirt from last Dec and I’d LOVE one.

  25. yourstruly
    June 27, 2011, 10:22 pm

    from the varied opinions offered as to the merits of the star idea

    it’s not just me, who’s a little uneasy about it

    seperating commenters into those who carry a star & those who don’t?

    trivial?

    why risk it?

    • lobewyper
      June 28, 2011, 7:57 am

      As someone has noted, this has turned into a major issue. I participate in an auto forum and they have done the same thing (not with stars, but still acknowledging site contributors). Other sites have done the same. So far as I can tell, it has had essentially no effect on the behavior of auto forum posters, and no one has ever said, “Not only are you an idiot, but you aren’t even a financial supporter!” Now Mondoweiss is a political site and things might be different here. I tend to doubt it, however–once the novelty of the “stars” has worn off. The curent financial situation for Phil and Adam sound rather grim. I would hope that each of us who visits MW on a regular basis could spare $5 a month for the cause.

  26. tokyobk
    June 28, 2011, 8:37 am

    5$ a month means drinking one or two less cups at SB or your favorite little coffee place.

    i.e there is almost no one reading this, students included, who cannot do that, or something.

  27. Richard Witty
    June 28, 2011, 8:41 am

    If you appreciate what Phil, Adam and colleagues are doing, support them.

    If I had disposable income currently, I would contribute, even as a vehemently disagree with much of their theses, for the prospect of the space.

    If the space were more civil in how it treated dissenters within the space, its financial prospects would be much brighter, as many more would be motivated to keep a vibrant discussion happening.

    • gazacalling
      June 28, 2011, 9:04 am

      I respect your comments, Richard, and am always somewhat bemused by the apoplectic fits of your denouncers, even though I agree with them. Anyone who holds their own in hostile territory deserves respect.

      Your presence on this blog serves a useful function. When your views are so thoroughly repudiated by others, it is a teaching moment.

      But honestly, isn’t it a little much on your part to call it a “vibrant discussion” when you almost never respond to the points others make?

      • Shmuel
        June 28, 2011, 9:54 am

        Anyone who holds their own in hostile territory deserves respect.

        I had the same thought last night, at a debate between an Israeli representative of Anarchists Against the Wall, and a JCall (European equivalent of JStreet) rep, in front of a room full of pro-Palestinian activists, in the basement of an anarchist bookshop. It was not a pretty sight.

      • Richard Witty
        June 28, 2011, 10:07 am

        There are two related views to anarchism “GazaCalling”.

        One emphasizes direct action in opposition to oppression (and calls its efforts grassroots).

        The second emphasizes mutual aid in affirmation of liberty and community (and IS grassroots).

        The two views are both complementary (they work together and can function consistently in a person or community) and in ways they are entirely divergent.

        They are divergent in the political name-calling of “tribal” identity as a pejorative. Mutual aid is by definition of small communities of individuals freely associating, tribally relative to cosmopolitan anonymity.

      • Donald
        June 28, 2011, 10:43 am

        “I respect your comments, Richard, and am always somewhat bemused by the apoplectic fits of your denouncers, even though I agree with them. Anyone who holds their own in hostile territory deserves respect.”

        But he isn’t holding his own, as you point out in the following comment–

        “But honestly, isn’t it a little much on your part to call it a “vibrant discussion” when you almost never respond to the points others make?”

        I agree that Richard’s comments serve a useful purpose–he’s the local spokesperson for the prevailing form of liberal Zionism, where lip service is paid to humanity, but a double standard is used to judge the actions of the two sides. That’s the reason for his nonresponsiveness and it’s also the reason for his muddled prose. Orwell explained that in “Politics and the English Language”. When the facts are on his side (as happens on occasion) he can write very clearly.

      • Chu
        June 28, 2011, 12:15 pm

        You’re obviously new, and I probably felt the same sometime ago.
        Six more months of reading his posts and you’ll change your
        tune.

      • Richard Witty
        June 28, 2011, 1:46 pm

        I repeat my themes of attempting to appeal to positive means to achieve peace and health (for both communities).

        I suggest that if people pursued the positive, that they would find that more effective, more fulfilling, and much much less paranoid.

        1. Institution building
        2. Relationship building
        3. Joint efforts in collegial content areas (ecology, academia, cultural, business)

        Each of those are positive, oriented towards a goal, that do not risk offending anyone, except those that filter their offenses through a political litmus.

        4. Electoral advocacy
        5. Clarification of law and legal assertions in courts

        These are positive, as in comprising a goal, but may antagonize those with other agendas.

        But, they are constructive efforts.

      • Citizen
        June 28, 2011, 3:08 pm

        For translation of Witty’s comments, please see his lesson plan
        as made clear by David Bernstein, Executive Director of The David Project:
        link to israelcampusbeat.org

      • Chu
        June 28, 2011, 3:23 pm

        Richard, stop pretending you’re the mayor of
        peace and metaphysics.

        You fail to engage anyone with your ethereal sponginess, and what is worse is how you carpetbag with your false peace activism. Your lack of sincerity toward middle-east peace, can really make one glum.

      • patm
        June 28, 2011, 3:33 pm

        Richard, I’ve thought of a constructive effort that Israel could make to further peace and reconciliation in the Middle East.

        The word “Semite” is defined as a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular Jews and Arabs.

        If Jews worldwide, under Israel’s auspices, were to convene a meeting and renounce what many feel are exclusive rights to the words ‘anti-Semite’ and ‘anti-Semitism’ and embrace instead the words ‘Judeophobe’ and ‘Judeophobia,’ I think this would be seen by Palestinians and other Arabs as a welcome confidence-building measure and a genuine first step on the path to peace.

        What do you think of my idea? Do you think it might work?

      • Shmuel
        June 28, 2011, 3:38 pm

        If Jews worldwide were to convene a meeting

        The universe would implode.

      • patm
        June 28, 2011, 4:08 pm

        “If Jews worldwide were to convene a meeting The universe would implode.”

        Shmuel, this is not a constructive response. I’ve got it into my head that this is a very good idea. A worldwide petition could be launched to ask Jews to convene such a meeting.

        Tell me what’s wrong with my idea. Or better still what’s right with it.

      • Shmuel
        June 28, 2011, 4:23 pm

        Sorry, patm. I couldn’t resist. There is no Jewish International, and the thought of Jews worldwide convening a meeting about anything, made me smile.

        As for your idea, I have no particular attachment to the term anti-Semitism (or Holocaust or settlements or racism [where “race” is not involved] or any number of imprecise and/or objectionable terms), but try to use language the way most people use it and understand it. I am also sceptical about confidence-building measures short of putting a stop to murder and ethnic cleansing.

      • annie
        June 28, 2011, 4:25 pm

        it sounds about as logical as convening a meeting of all the world’s redheads.

      • patm
        June 28, 2011, 4:37 pm

        Shmuel, Israel considers itself “Jewish International.” I say above that the meeting would be convened under its auspices.

        The meeting to determine new terminology could be a part of a series of meetings leading to a final peace treaty.

        Words matter, damn it. This word ‘anti-semitism’ needs to be re-attached to its rightful definition. It’s an enormous irritant to Arabs to be excluded from its meaning.

      • Shmuel
        June 28, 2011, 4:52 pm

        Israel considers itself “Jewish International.”

        Israel also considers itself the only democracy in the Middle East, but that doesn’t make it so. Between the Jews who don’t give a damn about Israel and those who think it should go to hell, I doubt such a conference would be particularly representative. But seriously, what value is there in showy confidence-building measures when Zionism continues to destroy the lives of Palestinians? I think the Palestinians have been down that road before. If Zionists are interested in building confidence, they should start treating Palestinians like equal human beings.

      • Citizen
        June 28, 2011, 5:30 pm

        More like most of the world wouldn’t even notice.

      • patm
        June 28, 2011, 5:53 pm

        Shmuel, Jews around the world may or may not be interested in Israel, but they are very much interested in the words that denote hatred and fear of Jews.

        Citizen, the petition I have in mind would need massive support from national and international bodies. Also a great deal of publicity. But if all that could be achieved, I believe Israel could be persuaded into making this change.

        And you can bet the Arabs would notice if the change was made in good faith.

      • pjdude
        June 29, 2011, 12:44 am

        that’s making the assumption they believe it to be in good faith.

      • patm
        June 29, 2011, 6:40 am

        pjdude, Palestinians and other Arabs would certainly have to see a declaration of change in terminolgy alongside other positive actions.

        A meeting of Jews from around the world that ended in an agreement to embrace the words ‘Judeophobe’ and ‘Judeophobia’ would only be a first step in credible peace negotiations.

        Also, there’s people power to consider. Word usage changes all the time. You and I could start using ‘Judeophobe’ and ‘Judeophobia’ here on mw. Maybe others would join us.

        Desperate times require desperate measures, pjdude.

      • tree
        June 29, 2011, 4:03 pm

        it sounds about as logical as convening a meeting of all the world’s redheads.

        Yup, but then I don’t know of any of us redheads that claim we are “a people”. Although maybe I just missed the notices. ;-)

        And Shmuel has a very valid point about “confidence measures”. They aren’t needed. What’s need is for Israel to treat the people under its control as equal human beings, regardless of ethnic or religious background.

      • hophmi
        June 30, 2011, 12:16 pm

        LOL.

        For you people, engagement is agreement. You’ve never understood the difference.

      • patm
        July 1, 2011, 10:05 am

        “And Shmuel has a very valid point about “confidence measures”. They aren’t needed. What’s need is for Israel to treat the people under its control as equal human beings, regardless of ethnic or religious background.”

        tree, of course Israel needs to treat all Palestinians as equal human beings. Which is why giving Palestinian Arabs equal access to the term “anti-Semitism” would be a very good thing.

        As I understand it, confidence-building steps are extremely useful in difficult negotiations.

    • Mooser
      June 28, 2011, 10:08 am

      “Your attempts to censor do not present an attractive principled form of dissent” -Richard Witty

      How do you expect anyone to stay all civil Richard, when you fling around vitriol like that? Them’s fightin’ words!

    • Chu
      June 28, 2011, 12:22 pm

      God. It figures. All your incoherent posts and your not going to contribute a few bucks. You really take the cake…

      You want the crowd to be nice to you? Is that really it.
      Then you’ll cough up some dough. sure…

      Mondo-crew should charge you for the space you take up on this blog. But, alas we must always live and let live.

      Why does it not surprise me you were going dodge as a contributor, with 10,000 posts no less. It’s incredible how actions and words speak volumes about a person.

      • tokyobk
        June 28, 2011, 1:39 pm

        It funny cause I agree that sometimes dissenters are smacked around here with the hasbara paddle just for disagreeing with something or another. It has kept me from posting. But, frankly if you check into this site every day and don’t contribute something, you are probably just cheap. If you have the time and means to sit on the internet for a few hours, you probably have five dollars per month and you almost certainly have five dollars for a one time gift. Not parting with a few bucks for something you like (or like to hate) and still wanting to use it for free def reveals something about your character.

      • Chu
        June 28, 2011, 3:06 pm

        Richard is the family friend of Phil – friends for decades. Is it really too much to ask that he contributes as he litters this blog with
        worn-out phrases. That is just an unconscionable act. Well, eventually you always find out who your friends are.

        Richard probably believes Phil and Adam owe him.

    • alec
      June 29, 2011, 2:59 pm

      Frankly I don’t believe you don’t have $5/month of disposable income Richard. That plaint sounds just as disingenuous as your whining about the Goldstone report and Operation Cast Lead.

  28. NickJOCW
    June 28, 2011, 9:43 am

    I am going to jump in here. Anything that divides a group, in this case readers/supporters, is fraught with potential dangers and the more innocent it looks, the more dangerous it could be. The Nazis used it in the Warsaw Ghetto by issuing identity cards in two colours, and then…well, you know that story. The fact that you don’t see that it is a bad idea is actually a very good reason for not doing it.

    • Danaa
      June 29, 2011, 11:42 am

      NickJOCW, now where else would we see a transcendental arc connecting some gold star system on a blog to Nazi ID cards and Warsaw ghetto? would you say it’s a slight hyperbole?

      • tree
        June 29, 2011, 4:17 pm

        “The trains are coming!”

        As an aside, I relate to this more in terms of gold stars given in elementary school- Does anyone still do that, or am I dating myself? It harks back to when I was a hopeless goody-two shoes, but really resented that the teachers would point that out, culminating in one episode where every other kid in the class was denied a recess one day( for some minor transgression that I didn’t participate in) while I got to go out to play–whoopie–oh wait–oops–all by myself. I never wanted to be seen as a goody two shoes again. So, gold stars bad, at least for me. I hope to add to my usual quarterly contribution in the next pay period or so, but please, no gold star for me. The “trauma” would be too great. :-)

    • alec
      June 29, 2011, 1:36 pm

      The yellow star at Mondoweiss is a symbol of standing up against oppression. We wear it in solidarity with those who have faced oppression in the past and in their memory.

      I really can’t imagine many Warsaw ghetto victims would have much patience for what the Israelis are doing to Palestinians inside Gaza and what’s left of the West Bank.

      • Shmuel
        June 29, 2011, 2:05 pm

        The yellow star at Mondoweiss is a symbol of standing up against oppression. We wear it in solidarity with those who have faced oppression in the past and in their memory.

        Did you really have to put it that way? I think the stars next to every comment are a bad enough idea as it is, but this makes it worse.

      • alec
        June 29, 2011, 2:50 pm

        Sorry you feel that way. Personally I am against oppression categorically, whether its victims are Jewish, Palestinian, Native Indian, Black or even White.

      • hophmi
        June 30, 2011, 12:18 pm

        It’s wrong on a lot of levels. It’s also hypocritical for people who constantly prattle on about how Zionists misuse the Holocaust.

        “Sorry you feel that way. Personally I am against oppression categorically, whether its victims are Jewish, Palestinian, Native Indian, Black or even White.”

        That’s fine. Starring the names of people who give money to Mondoweiss (or any cause) should not be compared to yellow stars.

      • alec
        June 30, 2011, 2:45 pm

        Still waiting on your contribution hophmi.

        Thanks for sharing again your disregard for the suffering of the Palestinians at the hands of their Israeli jailers and tormenters.

  29. lobewyper
    June 28, 2011, 3:47 pm

    If Mondoweiss can’t find a sugar-daddy, maybe they can find somebody who would be a matching donor, like on NPR.

  30. Richard Witty
    June 29, 2011, 7:53 am

    So, the star system is in effect.

    I feel like half a citizen, an ID card and in public.

    • Woody Tanaka
      June 29, 2011, 8:45 am

      “I feel like half a citizen, an ID card and in public.”

      Given your support for the fascist Zionist state, you should feel that way. Karma’s a bitch, dude.

      • bijou
        June 29, 2011, 9:30 am

        Woody, that was over-the-top nasty. Sorry. I think we should be able to keep our disagreements at the level of basic respect. He was talking about how he feels relative to this site, and he was being honest.

        Give the guy a break.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 29, 2011, 9:49 am

        Well, you know, he gives at least moral support to a political system that has kept an entire population in a state of less than half citizenship. For real. Not just something on a website, but for real.

        The system that Witty supports has caused countless innocent people, who’ve suffered all their lives under the boot of occupation, to have to look into the eyes of their children and know that although the parents and the children are wholly innocent, that the parents are powerless to prevent the same suffering to be inflicted on the life of that little child, all because they don’t belong to a certain privileged ethno-religious group and their homeland is coveted by colonists.

        That, to me, is more over-the-top nasty than ANYTHING I could possibly write here.

      • Richard Witty
        June 29, 2011, 11:28 am

        You do know Woody that I differ with you on that assessment, around 160 degrees.

        I have been consistently supportive of the responsible efforts for Palestinian sovereignty and for equal rights within Israel, including the rule of law applied in a color-blind manner to all refugees relative to title and rights of residence in Israel.

        I have consistently described that my impression is that militancy DETERS those realizations.

        You are applying a politically correct litmus test to my statements and advocacy, rather than a politically astute one.

      • bijou
        June 29, 2011, 12:35 pm

        I am not disagreeing, all I am saying is that it would be fairer to call him out for that on comments when he expresses that directly, rather than about something totally unrelated.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 29, 2011, 3:35 pm

        “including the rule of law applied in a color-blind manner to all refugees relative to title and rights of residence in Israel.”

        So you are saying that you support the right of all of the refugees to return to Israel? No exceptions? No conditions?

        “You are applying a politically correct litmus test to my statements and advocacy, rather than a politically astute one.”

        No, I’m simply saying that one cannot be a “Liberal” or a “Progressive” and not condemn ethnic cleaning, to anyone, for any reason, at any time.

      • tree
        June 29, 2011, 3:35 pm

        I agree with Woody here. The man just compared his lack of a star by his name on a website to the suffering of the Palestinians. Shameful.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 29, 2011, 3:35 pm

        bijou, that is probably a fair statement. I often let my emotions get the best of me.

    • tokyobk
      June 29, 2011, 9:46 am

      Just forgo a cup of coffee per month. (I gave but not sure why my star is not showing — unless it is now).

      • Citizen
        June 29, 2011, 3:54 pm

        tokyobk, some of us here don’t buy even one designer cup of coffee per month; no trips to Starbucks, or Dunkin Doughnuts, etc. I get my bag at Aldi’s, for example.

    • alec
      June 29, 2011, 1:39 pm

      Richard you’ve been defacing this site and trying to obscure and obfuscate every post and every effort of Phil and Adam and the rest of the writers and commenters here for years now.

      Pony up your $60, support Phil who puts up with you and enjoy your own star.

  31. bijou
    June 29, 2011, 9:25 am

    I really, really really wish you would reconsider this stars thing next to each comment, each reply…

    It’s dreadful, and it makes me not want to even read here anymore. I find that all I am looking at or thinking about is the star. I scroll through comments and all that jumps out at me is the star. I don’t see the comments any more.

    Also a newcomer here won’t have a clue what it means and will find it baffling.

    The concept of recognizing contributors is great. But the means you chose is detrimental to the overall participation on the site. I also feel now ashamed to comment because I don’t have a star yet. In all honestly, I will probably recede to the background because of this policy. And I would be happy to contribute anonymously but I resent the star so much that it makes me not want to contribute just because of it.

    Just being honest…

    • Shmuel
      June 29, 2011, 10:01 am

      I really, really really wish you would reconsider this stars thing next to each comment, each reply…

      I predict that this stellar innovation will be short-lived.

    • Taxi
      June 29, 2011, 10:15 am

      Not classy to have the star font larger than the name next to it.

      Very distracting to the eye and the newbie visitor would find it confusing indeed.

      Please reconsider this vain nuisance.

      In the name of pomp, you’ve created clutter.

      • alec
        June 29, 2011, 1:40 pm

        We’re working on size. At one point today, indeed the star was too large and not the right form. Sorry about that.

    • Citizen
      June 29, 2011, 10:19 am

      Is there some very weak analogy between the star or not and whether or not commenters here use their real name or not? I don’t really even know why I am moved to ask this question at this moment.

      • Taxi
        June 29, 2011, 10:29 am

        Cuz you’re a man of instinct, Citizen, and something just ain’t right about it all.

        (Take note Phil and Adam, your star system’s even confused a mondo veteran like Citizen!)

      • Citizen
        June 29, 2011, 11:08 am

        I dunno, Taxi. I originally used my real name on MW, but after my computer got hacked repeatedly a few times, I changed to a pen name–I’ve had no problem ever since. Too, while I still worked for my daily bread & butter, I would never have used my real name here; I’ve enough personal experiences in that realm to know what hurts any semi-ambitious career in the USA.

        The star, otoh, what does it signal? That the commenter contributed some money to MW. Well, I’ve done that in the past and never received any special treatment on MW. I’ve also helped Phil early on, not by giving money, but by helping him to purge his site from constant vulgar and especially sophmoric commenters attacking messengers–back when he had his old technical web platform. Again, I was never rewarded with any special treatment.

        So those are the reasons why I see no reason to have any negative thoughts about the star. It’s just another way of thanking folks who help fund MW. Similarly, in my instant mind, using a pen name is just a way for those Americans daring to criticize Israeli policy & US involvement in it, enabling it, to avoid the excesses of viligante thought police, or government thought police now in the age of destruction of our 4th and 1st amendment; in my opinion Obama is a big supporter of invasion of individual American privacy–under the banner of homeland security. And Congress has rolled over there as a check and balance on executive authority, as it has elsewhere, for example wrt the constitutional War Powers.

        My imagination conjuring up newbies here, upon noticing some commenters have a star next to their name, might conclude those commenters always agree with Phil or Adam, or a guest article writer. They might extrapolate from that first assumption to another, that MW is policed regarding substantive content. But, projecting from my own mentality, admittedly, I don’t think that would largely happen, especially if they started coming here more regularly and viewed all the comments. Still, I guess the site would get occasional comments about the stars, same as it gets one from time to time dissing commenters for not using their real names.

        I am thinking such comments always, in my memory, come from those who continually support Israel right or wrong–they also never acknowledge there is a problem in the USA when an American supports Israel right or wrong, uber alles–Michelle Bachmann is even running for POTUS on that ticket. Similary, they never acknowledge the existence and power influence of the Israel Lobby–even after 29 standing ovations to Bibi in Congress.

        Well, that’s some further thoughts. Am I advocating for or against the star? You all tell me. I haven’t sorted out my stance on it yet.

      • Citizen
        June 29, 2011, 11:16 am

        And, wouldn’t the star or lack of it present at least a minor dilemna for the regular hasbarists here, those who constantly write comments that can be reduced and translated by Mooser’s referenced slim list of reductive hasbara bullets and/or Project David’s instructions on how to write against those comments reflecting criticism of Israel’s policies? Perhaps they are as I write contacting hasbara central to see if they should subscribe to MW & get a star so they don’t look like they just wished MW would vanish from the face of the earth? Perhaps an hasbara official will send them the donation money?

      • tokyobk
        June 29, 2011, 11:33 am

        Or, perhaps people have varying beliefs/agendas on this site some of which conform to a grand political narrative on one side and some to the other. Some of which are independent of both. And, completely independent of that, since cheap people come from every background, some people like to get free stuff and others don’t mind paying modestly for something they use regularly.

      • bijou
        June 29, 2011, 11:53 am

        LOL Citizen!

      • annie
        June 29, 2011, 12:33 pm

        Perhaps they are as I write contacting hasbara central to see if they should subscribe to MW & get a star so they don’t look like they just wished MW would vanish from the face of the earth? Perhaps an hasbara official will send them the donation money?

        we should demand all the hasbarists support the site by coughing up money for every post. they could buy a pass every month (just like fast track on the golden gate bridge) and every comment..cha-ching! if they run over they have to cough up more. i bet that would put a serious dent on the david projects budget. we should sock it to em!

      • Chu
        June 29, 2011, 1:41 pm

        I would like a unicorn next to my name. Previously, eee has mentioned how we are all living in a fairy land here. Either a unicorn or a dragon would be neat.

      • alec
        June 29, 2011, 1:49 pm

        Citizen, please, please learn to use carriage returns between paragraphs (I just cleaned up the above, which makes much more sense with paragraphs). Thanks for at least not hard line-breaking so often now.

        On the substance of the stars:

        The stars will continue to link to a donation page. So any newcomer curious about the stars will immediately have the opportunity to discover their meaning. S/he will know that when s/he is ready how to collect a star of his or her own.

        So rather than being a nuisance for newcomers, it will be an awareness tool that freedom of thought and expression requires watering as well.

        If and when a large foundation appears to underwrite the whole Mondoweiss project, we can consider removing the stars and even donations altogether. I’m counting on us, not the large foundation. And indeed democracy is better distributed. Any single supporter could control the message.

      • MRW
        June 29, 2011, 3:40 pm

        Citizen, please, please learn to use carriage returns between paragraphs (I just cleaned up the above, which makes much more sense with paragraphs).

        Rule of thumb: squint. If it’s a black box of text, break it up.

        Better rule of thumb. Two (maybe three) sentences per paragraph on the web.

      • jon s
        June 30, 2011, 3:40 am

        I’ve been thinking of subscribing, even though I’m part of the non-anti-Zionist minority here. I’ve been debating with myself whether I want to support a website with which I usually disagree.
        Comments such as Annie’s above certainly put me off, implying once again that those who seek to inject a measure of balance into the discussions must be organized or directed or even paid operatives, “hasbarists”.

      • alec
        June 30, 2011, 5:39 am

        Hi Jon,

        Annie’s POV is Annie’s POV. All POV are welcome here, as long as participation is sincere (not endlessly repeating the same just refuted facts or constantly throwing out red herrings).

        Alas, many of the participants espousing pro-Zionist arguments here appear to be paid or voluntary shills engaged more in vandalism than dialogue. Hence Annie’s tone.

        A sincere alternative POV is most welcome, as would be any support you could offer Phil and Adam in maintaining an open discussion of the war of ideas in the Middle East.

      • jon s
        June 30, 2011, 6:31 am

        Alec,
        Are you saying that the anti-Zionists don’t repeat the same points? That’s not my impression.

        Do you have proof of even ONE pro-Zionist “vandal” on this site?
        Or is that part of the ridicule to which Richard Witty is subjected regularly?

        I also note that you’ve made a connection between these 5$ stars and the yellow Jewish stars and the Warsaw Ghetto… totally uncalled for and even offensive. Do you presume to speak for the victims of the Holocaust?

      • alec
        June 30, 2011, 6:44 am

        Jon, I haven’t noticed a lot of anti-Zionist posters here. Are you referring to the pro-Free Palestine and pro-UN crowd? Please don’t confound the two.

        Working for rights for Palestinians is not working against rights for Israelis. Surely you don’t condone a situation where some animals are more equal than others?
        ————–
        I am making an analogy between the Warsaw Ghetto and the oppressive conditions under which the Palestinians live in Gaza and many of the settler/squatter besieged West Bank pockets.

        If that bothers you, buck up for your star and do what you can to get Israel to lift the blockade and ghetto conditions in Gaza and the West Bank. When Israel lifts the blockade, I’ll be thrilled to retire the yellow stars.

        In the meantime, I’ll wear my yellow star with pride against racist oppression of all kinds.

      • alec
        June 30, 2011, 6:46 am

        Frankly, I don’t think you have been thinking of subscribing for one minute jon.

        You are just stirring up trouble and embarrassing your camp again. Actions speak louder than words.

      • annie
        June 30, 2011, 7:16 am

        they’re golden anyway alec, they are not yellow.

      • jon s
        June 30, 2011, 10:15 am

        Alec,
        You “haven’t noticed a lot of anti-Zionists posters here”. Right. Are you serious?

        The analogy with the Wasaw Ghetto is obscene and , in the context of the fundraising campaign, positively bizarre.

      • jon s
        June 30, 2011, 10:20 am

        Alec, Now you’re accusing me of lying. I actually was considering it, even mentioned it to my wife yesterday. She made a face.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 30, 2011, 10:39 am

        I agree with jon s. There are anti-Zionist posters here. I am against Zionism. I am not, of course, against any person. I want every person, Jew, Arab, Israeli, Palestinian, to enjoy the same exact legal, political and human rights, with full equality. Which is why I oppose Zionism (as well as other -isms, of course, such as, for example, Islamism, so-called.)

        “The analogy with the Wasaw Ghetto is obscene”

        I don’t know if I would call it “obscene.” It is unhistoric to be sure, which is why I would never use it. But, sadly, the Zionists have long ago politicized the Holocaust, so it is hypocritical to complain with others do, too.

      • alec
        July 2, 2011, 7:13 am

        I suggest an extended trip to Gaza to see with your own eyes how it feels to live in a fenced off ghetto. You might ask the Palestinian fishermen whose boats are shot full of holes by the Israeli navy how it feels to lose brothers to sport shooting by foreign soldiers.

        If by anti-Zionist, you mean opposed to the existence of Israel, there aren’t too many of those here and that group certainly does not include Phil or Adam. If by anti-Zionist, you mean those who don’t believe that Israelis/Jews are übermenschen with a god-given right to slam their nail studded boots onto the neck of the Palestinians, then yes there are lots of us here.

      • alec
        July 2, 2011, 7:16 am

        Alec, Now you’re accusing me of lying. I actually was considering it, even mentioned it to my wife yesterday. She made a face.

        Sorry, I don’t believe you. Not sure if your wife deserves to bear the brunt of your own prejudice.

      • Taxi
        July 2, 2011, 7:48 am

        Ya really think he has a WIFE?!

      • jon s
        July 2, 2011, 3:15 pm

        Alec, you got it backwards. She made the face, so I “bore the brunt”…

      • jon s
        July 2, 2011, 3:18 pm

        Taxi, Do you have trouble imagining that someone with whom you disagree politically can be a regular person?

      • alec
        July 3, 2011, 2:41 am

        I’ll be more inclined to believe these stories after Adam and Phil see your contribution.

      • Mensch
        July 4, 2011, 1:17 pm

        You have just as much chance of seeing Dime One out of “jon s” as you have of receiving a million bucks from the Israeli government coffers. He comes here to collect comments he can use on other sights to marry this place to Stormfront. He calls this place mondofront.

      • annie
        July 4, 2011, 2:41 pm

        i agree

      • alec
        July 4, 2011, 4:31 pm

        That’s what I thought. Thanks for the background Mensch.

      • alec
        June 29, 2011, 1:41 pm

        I’ve also noticed a larger proportion of people who do use their real name have actually contributed. Still trying to figure out why that it is.

        Good catch.

      • Danaa
        June 29, 2011, 4:48 pm

        alec, it’s simple. People who comment anonymously do so for a reason and some may indeed worry that the act of contributing can compromise their hide-out. Please let us not ignore what has happened to those 23 palestinian supporters who were indicted in Chicago for nothing at all (article on that at MW). By contrast, those commenting under their real name are already in the open so have no cause for further worry beyond that which they are facing already.

        many people are anonymous mostly because they wish to draw a line between their work life persona and a political one. that is perfectly understandable I think and is the main reason I comment anonymously as well, for example. It’s best to keep them google pages separate, especially if one has an online professional presence, no?

        In the meantime, can you comment on the how one can contribute and still keep their anonymity (which I’m sure is what troubles a few who haven’t yet)? what are the options? for instance, can one donate anonymously and still get a star or does one preclude the other? will MW have access to the data for the contributors, or is there an iron wall and MW just gets the money?

        not being paranoic or anything, but I do expect things to get worse for everyone on this business as time goes on. Every success drives the zionists deeper into desperation, and busy fingers are everywhere in the DOJ as in cyberspace. It is not too far-fetched to imagine that as MW becomes more and more influencial, somebody will get the brilliant idea of scaring people off by conducting the kind of witch hunt that the FBI has been using against Assange, going for tweeter and facebook records and the like. Problem is, they don’t have to do much, just threaten to do bad things.

        Anyways, any comments to allay such concerns will be helpful.

      • alec
        June 29, 2011, 5:20 pm

        Hi Danaa,

        Your point is interesting. It is possible to contribute relatively anonymously, i.e. to contribute and not have it linked to an account on Mondoweiss.net. Or to have an almost unrelated non-political person contribute for you and then reimburse that person.

        Adam does have access to who donated. I don’t and I don’t believe Phil does (at least not without going well out of his way).

        Paypal contribution (no tax deductible receipt at last) is possible at which point Adam will only have an email address (again probably not associated with your Mondoweiss account, although you could give your Mondoweiss handle in the Paypal comment section if you would like to enjoy the subscription star beside your name on the site).

        Technically, you could also donate on someone else’s behalf via Paypal and give your subscription to him or her (as we will add the subscription to whatever name is in the Paypal comment).

        Let me know if I’ve answered your questions/concerns.

        That anyone would have to worry about such witchhunts suggests to me that the symbolism of the stars rings truer than any of us would like.

      • Taxi
        June 29, 2011, 5:24 pm

        I’m donating through a third party. I learned this trick from zionists.

      • Citizen
        June 29, 2011, 5:52 pm

        Taxi, what’s the third party’s name? Something like The Paul Revere Trust? Or, America First? And is it incorporated, and tax exempt?

  32. Taxi
    June 29, 2011, 10:53 am

    Adam and Phil AND Alec,

    Why don’t you cancel the star system and instead, show your appreciation to your donators by giving them less censorship and more freedom of expression.

    :-)

    • alec
      June 29, 2011, 1:30 pm

      The site has become a lot more readable and enjoyable for anyone except vandals and hasbarists since the comment rules began to be more vigorously enforced.

    • alec
      June 30, 2011, 7:16 am

      And also in fairness, some of the more post-without-thinking pro-Free Palestinian posters have been somewhat curtailed as well. Sensible commentary on both sides of the fence helps.

  33. bijou
    June 29, 2011, 11:56 am

    Also ferchrissakes, why’d ya go and make the stars YELLOW (OK, goldish, but still too close for comfort)…. I’m wondering if a casual visitor would think “good god, they’re distinguishing the Jewish from the non-Jewish commenters on that terribly anti-Semitic site…” 5 vs 6 points for the star is a more subtle nuance that may not occur to those who would jump to such conclusions.

    If it HAS to stay (and I seriously hope not), it should be much smaller and the same color gray as the date and time. The same size and color as the date and time.

    And how about instead of a star something else, like a small “vs” for “voluntary subscriber?”

    • annie
      June 29, 2011, 12:26 pm

      one way to distinguish might be to simply have the names of financial supporters a different color. i’m not so sure how i feel about having a little star next to my name every single time i post. maybe i will get used to it but it feels conspicuous. maybe i will get used to it. maybe it could just last as long as the drive lasts. whatever. once was fun, i don’t need dozens of stars every day! oh no, i’m about to get another!!!

  34. bijou
    June 29, 2011, 12:55 pm

    OK this is my last argument against the star system before I go into lurking.

    I predict that others will feel as I do and drop off posting because of stars. This will result in a self-selective process whereby eventually it will seem that every posterhas a star. Ultimately that will further discourage newcomers who are either reticent or indigent or just opposed to juvenile rewards systems from joining and contributing. End result will be an impoverishment of views shared on the site, which would be a real shame.

    Lest I be misunderstood: I support everything Mondoweiss does and I want to support and contribute. But the star system in fact is fast becoming an OBSTACLE to my doing that. This is just my perspective.

    Over and out….

    • alec
      June 29, 2011, 1:31 pm

      Hi Bijou,

      If the stars are a barrier to your contribution to Mondoweiss as either a commenter or as a supporter, then clearly all Phil and Adam’s effort doesn’t mean too much to you.

      I mean really….

      • bijou
        June 30, 2011, 8:36 am

        Alec,

        You don’t know the first thing about me or what Phil and Adam’s effort means to me, and if you did I think you would eat your words.

        I suggest you tone down the “in your face” nature of your attacks on loyal supporters. This comment is completely off the mark and highly unappreciated.

        An apology would be the right thing to do.

        Thank you.

    • lobewyper
      June 29, 2011, 1:52 pm

      OK, bijou, you obviously need to get some therapy. Stop catastrophizing and donate!

    • Adam Horowitz
      June 29, 2011, 2:56 pm

      Hi Bijou,

      I wanted to let you know that we’ve heard what you said and will most definitely take it into account. From our perspective we are trying to find a way to keep the fundraiser in people’s minds without having to constantly remind them of it. We are trying to raise more money than we have ever before and that means we will need to keep the fundraiser going for longer. We are trying to raise this money because we need to to keep the site going.

      I’m sorry you find the stars to be such an obstacle that you will no longer be able to support and contribute to the site. That was certainly not our intention, and we are just trying we can to find ways to make this site work. We have always appreciated you comments and contributions to the site and hope they continue.

      Thanks,
      Adam

      • bijou
        June 30, 2011, 12:05 am

        Thank you Adam. I would like to do more for this site than I currently do, but without any need for the public recognition system. Honestly it surprises me that it elicited such a strong reaction from me, but it did, and I wanted to let you know.

        Thanks for listening.

  35. Bart
    June 29, 2011, 12:55 pm

    Nearly $6000 whole dollars later and zionists are…..terrified?….

    This site continues to provide wonderful amusement. I hope it survives.

  36. Kate
    June 29, 2011, 2:14 pm

    Not interested in a star, but I WANT A T-SHIRT! Is that not an option this time?

    • Philip Weiss
      June 29, 2011, 2:49 pm

      we’re short Kate!! And It took my 6 months to get tshirts out the last time!
      But i’ll tell the other bossmen and women

      • lobewyper
        June 29, 2011, 4:48 pm

        Phil,

        Try a firm in Mumbai. Those guys are good!

      • alec
        June 29, 2011, 4:57 pm

        Hi lobewyper,

        The delay was not on the supply side. Now that the t-shirts are in (limited) stock, any requests from Adam can be sent out quite quickly. Subscribers can order t-shirts in addition to their subscription and we will get them out pronto.

      • lobewyper
        June 29, 2011, 9:19 pm

        Excellent news. And don’t forget women’s clothing needs are different at different stages of pregnancy…

      • annie
        June 29, 2011, 9:30 pm

        i want to see a photo of what the t-shirts look like alec. mine was supposed to arrive sometime last fall..or something.

      • Citizen
        June 29, 2011, 10:17 pm

        Yes, that would be usefull.

      • alec
        June 30, 2011, 6:10 am

        Hi Annie,

        Thanks for letting us know you didn’t get delivery of your shirt. I’ve opened up a todo for Phil and our team to figure out where it disappeared to. We should do some modelling shots with the shirts, you’re right.

      • annie
        June 30, 2011, 6:15 am

        modeling shots? send me one and i will totally model it!

    • alec
      June 29, 2011, 2:52 pm

      Hi Kate,

      If who would like a t-shirt, unfortuately they are not available in large quantity right now, but anyone who subscribes can order t-shirts at $25 each including postage in the size of your choice. Please be sure to add a comment with your donation.

      Thanks for asking! I think the t-shirts are great too.

      • Citizen
        June 29, 2011, 3:01 pm

        I want a t or 2 in Xlge that says “MONDOWEISS.NET”
        Preferably in olive drab, but I’d settle for anything but yellow, red or white. When might such be available?

      • Citizen
        June 29, 2011, 3:58 pm

        I just mailed my subscription money via snail mail to the Chicago PO Box #. Now I gotta figure out how much to give to various related family members just now graduating HS and going on to college…

      • alec
        June 29, 2011, 4:59 pm

        Hi Citizen,

        The t-shirts are a lot like the masthead logo here, in blue and white.

        It’s a very nice not too dark navy.

      • Citizen
        June 29, 2011, 5:39 pm

        Hi alec,
        Do they come in XL size? Or just L?
        I didn’t know whether to send a request for T shirt in with my snail mail subscripton check, or not–if so, I guess I will have to send in money with for a T shirt to the same snail address with a note the check is for T shirt?

        Also, sorry my comments need so much editing. MRW says I should squint for a black box if cut and pasting, I guess he means? And MRW says best thing is to keep all paragraphs in a comment to at most 3 sentences each–will that work? If I am not cut and pasting, does that latter suggestion still apply, or not? (I’ve forgotten whatever I once learned about HTML & other codes used with computer writing.)

      • alec
        June 29, 2011, 5:53 pm

        Hi Citizen,

        There are indeed XL nearly XXL but there are not XXXL if you know what I mean.

        Yes, please send in the money to the same snail mail address with a note to Adam’s attention about your shirts. Thanks!

        I think you can go up to four or five sentences, especially if the sentences aren’t too long. Look at the commentators whose comments you enjoy reading for guidance. We’ve even set the site up now so you don’t need to know html to post links in a coherent way.

        If you have any other suggestions for the website, please let us know!

      • Citizen
        June 29, 2011, 7:18 pm

        Hi alec
        OK. So, if I want to buy two T-shirts, and specify to Adam I want two blue ones in XL (cotton shrinks), and send $50.00 by check I will get them fairly soon? Do I have to add $ for postage and handling to my check amount; if so, how much? Or do I pay for that when they arrive? Sorry for these picky questions, but these things are not clear to me, despite the comments related to them here.

      • alec
        July 2, 2011, 7:17 am

        Hi Citizen,

        For the moment, only subscribers can buy t-shirts. But yes, if you are an active subscriber you can buy t-shirts for $25/each, including posting and handling.

      • MRW
        June 29, 2011, 3:38 pm

        Alec,

        Won’t CafePress handle all this for you?

      • alec
        June 29, 2011, 5:03 pm

        With CafePress, there would not be any money left over for Mondoweiss.net. In addition, we can ensure higher quality control when we take care of it locally. We carefully choose the t-shirt stock to be the highest possible quality from literally dozens of models, as well as to have a really attractive colour.

  37. MRW
    June 29, 2011, 3:35 pm

    Why don’t you use ♫ ? You know, ka-ching. Those gold stars are just too-too.

    If you have to, make the stars link-blue and smaller.

    • alec
      June 29, 2011, 5:05 pm

      Thanks for your suggestion, MRW.

      Alas, you can’t please all the people all the time. I think those who donate deserve gold for their contribution.

      • lobewyper
        June 29, 2011, 9:21 pm

        alec you meant real, 24 karat gold, didn’t you?

  38. Ellen
    June 29, 2011, 5:39 pm

    Please, no stars. That was grade school and Huffington Post — Now a terrible, terrible news aggregtor.

    I will send more money, but do not want a star. How can I do that without getting a star…..or even better anonymously?

    No stars, please.

    • alec
      June 29, 2011, 5:50 pm

      Hi Ellen,

      No danger of Mondoweiss.net becoming the Huffington Post!

      You are welcome to donate anonymously. Just include a comment with your donation indicating that you do not wish to have your contribution recognised.

      Thank you for your support.

  39. Daniel Rich
    June 29, 2011, 5:51 pm

    “Tragt ihn mit Stolz, den gelben Fleck” – Robert Weltsch.

    • alec
      June 29, 2011, 5:56 pm

      Good point, Daniel.

      “Wear with pride your yellow patch.”

      This RW, there’s several of them..

      • Citizen
        June 29, 2011, 7:22 pm

        Thanks, alec–that RW’s quite heroic. I never heard of him before.

  40. yourstruly
    June 30, 2011, 1:54 am

    why contribute to mondoweiss.net?

    has to do with indispensability

    being that the moment is upon us

  41. Keith
    June 30, 2011, 11:39 am

    Lookee, lookee! I’m blogging with the stars! Carrie Ann, Len and Bruno eat your hearts out!

  42. LanceThruster
    June 30, 2011, 1:17 pm

    For the record I think whatever you come up with is fine. What I think would also be fun would be a “special” star for the contrarians that could be attached by someone donating in their name.

    The scenario would be after I’ve made a donation that gets a star for my name, I could also donate money to affix a “troll star?” to someone else’s name as my way of combating the hasbara-laden content of their spew.

    I could imagine that affixing multiple “troll stars” to those posters that just seems to trot out the same tired old arguments and have a particularly high “pest quotient” could generate funds in manner fun, effective, and informative.

    • alec
      June 30, 2011, 2:52 pm

      Lance, that is an interesting fundraising notion. Bears reflection. Thanks for thinking outside the box.

      We’d likely run into the issue of false flag troll stars, one of the reasons we’ve shied away from voting on comments (risk of the system being gamed). We may yet introduce comment voting this year.

      • Donald
        June 30, 2011, 2:58 pm

        I think the star idea was bad enough–it looks so damn childish. The troll star idea is worse. There’s a fine line between people uniting to condemn someone who says something indefensible, and plain old bullying and groupthink and I think this troll star idea crosses that line and keeps on going. And I say this as someone who can point to a person I believe would deserve about ten troll stars if I supported the notion.

      • LanceThruster
        June 30, 2011, 3:12 pm

        Fair enough, Donald.

        On Zionist sites, I usually get “flagged” and my comments removed. If I thought my comments were generating funds for something I was opposed to, I might reconsider the volume or tone of my contributions to the comments section.

        I’ve never thought of actual replies as bullying as long as my comments remained because I consider it a sign of respect to speak openly and honestly to another human being.

  43. eGuard
    June 30, 2011, 8:52 pm

    I say: free Palestine. What’s Jewish tribe & treif about that?

  44. yourstruly
    July 1, 2011, 12:16 am

    just now a political analyst on keith olberman’s CURRENT cable tv program called president obama a dickhead

    the better to serve his puppet-masters?

    those few elites who pull the strings

    write the script

    own the narrative

    own the narrative

    control the present*

    control the present*

    control the past*

    control the past*

    control the future*

    so knowing just where we’re at

    the way things are

    compared to the way things could be

    the what kind of world

    were it up to us**

    *george orwell

    **us, as in all for one & one for all

  45. chayma100
    July 1, 2011, 4:28 am

    Phil and Adam

    I hope the donations won’t make “enemy” contributors, try to influence content.

    Also, it may be an idea for you to consider postal donations, for those who want to remain anonymous donors. These may be the best, as they will not try to influence content in any way.

    • alec
      July 2, 2011, 7:21 am

      Hi chayma100,

      I believe postal donations are accepted.

      If contributing by mail, make your check payable to “CERSC – Mondoweiss” and send to CERSC, PO Box 180165, Chicago, IL 60618.

  46. chayma100
    July 1, 2011, 5:26 am

    @yours truly

    Could you please to learn to write properly, your posts make for an irritating read, as you have to scroll down.

    @ Phil and Adam

    We plan to hire a part-time editorial assistant with the money raised during this fundraising drive to help us keep up as the site continues to grow in size and influence.

    If I may suggest, someone loyal to the cause may be the best option, as they’d be less concerned with the salary. Maybe even an intern.

  47. American
    July 2, 2011, 12:00 am

    Well after a few days of the star system I have to say it really doesn’t bother me like I thought it might.
    After a while regular readers/commenters like myself don’t even notice it.
    A new person might notice and ask– which would be good.
    And I can say it has no effect on how much or little attention I pay to anyone’s comments.
    So I’am o.k. with it.

  48. Pixel
    July 2, 2011, 12:41 pm

    I’m not sure that it would work here, but on some sites, in part, they solicit and receive donations by breaking things down into smaller “campaigns.” People who donate that way are then personally invested in the goal of that “campaign.”

    The content of the site is irrelevant to the point I’m trying to make. They just use the technique and it’s highly successful.

    To see what I mean, click this example. Scroll down about 4 inches and look at the “Chip in” graphic on the left.

    To check out some other ideas that are working for them, click the “Take Action” heading in the top menu.

    Why not think big and really long-term by looking into “Planned Giving” and charitable donations after death (if they’re not part of the same thing).

    • annie
      July 2, 2011, 1:17 pm

      pixel, your ‘this example ‘ link is not working for me

  49. yourstruly
    July 3, 2011, 2:16 am

    what kind of jew supports justice for palestine?

    one who always sides with the slave

    never with the slavemaster

    even (better, especially) when the slavemaster happens to be a jew

    “oh no you don’t”

    & ” in my name? how dare you!”

    besides, the existence of the zionist entity israel has exactly what to do with being jewish?

    didn’t zionism piggy-back itself onto judaism about a century ago?

    proceeding forthwith towards turning judaism into a powerful support group for the zionist takeover of palestine?

    and anyone who’s against them is either a terrorist or an antisemite?

    the self-hating jew?

    the israel-firster jewish american

    because s/he would risk it all

    a masada reprise

    end of the world sort of thing

    live?

    at least until the lights go out –

    self-haters, these israel-firster jews?

    unless somehow doomsday bypasses the jew

    chosen people?

    for being the caretakers of a dead world that they helped kill off?

    whereas the jews who support justice for palestine?

    players in the building of a better world

    turning things around

    that kind of jew

  50. esteban
    July 3, 2011, 3:55 am


    i guess this began for me
    when i saw a beating
    being delivered with a stick

    i said ‘ why are they striking
    this human being, for what ?’

    ‘didn’t you suffer enough,
    in the same exact way ?’

    and then the drones
    and targeted killings

    i said ‘ this is wrong,
    where is justice ?’

    ‘where is law,
    where is god ?’

    i keep thinking
    he’s gonna jump up
    and say ‘ ok –
    enough – my children ‘

    ‘i was only testing you
    to see if you could know me
    in my seven billion faces

    each and every one of you
    are my children ‘

    this world is a lonely place
    is this any way to act ?

    if you truly are chosen
    choose love – not fear

    you will be astonished
    at your success

    the alternative
    is unthinkable

  51. rachelgolem
    July 4, 2011, 11:40 am

    In the next few years, millions of Egyptians, Syrians, Libyans, Yemenis and probably Jordanians and Lebanons will die in wars or famines.

    Good luck with your flotilla.

    • alec
      July 4, 2011, 4:33 pm

      Is that a threat or a promise?

      • Chaos4700
        July 4, 2011, 6:40 pm

        It’s an empty threat from an addled retiree in Florida who hates anyone who’s actually from the Middle East.

      • alec
        July 5, 2011, 4:46 am

        *Flashback: 1937*

        In the next few years, millions of Poles, Gypsies, Jews, Czechs and probably Russians and Ukrainians will die in wars and famine.

      • Donald
        July 5, 2011, 12:38 pm

        She hates the fact that any Arab dictatorships were overthrown or are threatened with overthrow by ordinary people. Arab democracy terrifies her, so she is hopeful that chaos will bring economic ruin which will bring famine and put those Arabs in their place.

        That’s my guess, of course, based on her sporadic participation here.

  52. MRW
    July 4, 2011, 9:07 pm

    Alec, Adam, and Phil.

    Why aren’t you doing a QR Code on the T-Shirt with a link to mondoweiss.net as the code info?

    Make one here:
    link to qrcode.kaywa.com

    Info:
    link to fastcompany.com
    link to mobile-barcodes.com

    • alec
      July 5, 2011, 4:49 am

      Personally I don’t find these QR codes particularly attractive. I certainly wouldn’t want to wear them on my clothing. Nice suggestion, but I think QR codes are pretty faddish, worse than hula hoops and yoyos.

      • MRW
        July 5, 2011, 1:10 pm

        They may seem faddish because they are new here (Best Buy, etc — NYC only discovered them lately) but they are used all around the world, and have been for over a decade. They’re ubiquitous.

        One reason why they are ubiquitous is printing costs. If you have an ad, brochure, or billboard, especially a fancy or $ one, your QRcode can supply update info or the latest coupon or a video that shows your wares. So the QRcode points to a site that contains the latest info. Grocery stores in Japan use them to supply info about where that specific produce came from that day (they dont have to waste time producing physical signs, they just change the info on the product webpage, can do it from home or in the truck on the way to the shop). Perfume companies in Europe use them to give women 20% off on a bottle: you point your phone at the QRcode then show the saleswoman the coupon image. I saw them used in Kuala Lumpur projected on a wall to announce a one-day sale. And political orgs for up-to-date events. A regional airline in Asia emailed me one as my boarding pass info that I beamed at the ticket counter. It saves paper, greenies love it. It’s timely. And it allows you to keep mountains of info in your phone.

        We’re waaay behind the rest of the world using them in the US.

      • alec
        July 6, 2011, 4:21 am

        QR Codes remain pretty ugly visually. What we use instead in most of the West are short URLs, like Mondoweiss.net

        Given that Japan’s writing (and in much of Asia) is visually based I can understand why QRcodes work so much better for them than the Latin character world of URLs.

      • MRW
        July 6, 2011, 2:17 pm

        Alec,

        Take a look at this! You’ll get a kick out of it. Qrcodes in Korea, and an absolutely ingenious use of them. (Someone just sent me this link, and I hunted you down here. ;-))
        link to youtube.com

  53. alfa
    July 5, 2011, 10:42 am

    Hi,

    I have a suggestion, it seems to me the fundraising is going slow? Originally agreeing with the anti-star crowd, I made an anonymous donation by CC and am now questioning the wisdom of that. So I just mailed a donation by check and would like $100 of it applied to buying a T-shirt for whoever makes the next 4 donations over $100, if it’s agreeable to you. If not just apply it to the fundraiser.

Leave a Reply