Yahoo comments on boycott law suggest American backlash against Israel has begun

Israel/Palestine
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For a long time, I’ve wondered if the American people would ever rise up against the pernicious and destructive pro-Israel lobby. Maybe the boycott law is causing that to happen? Check out the comments on the Yahoo News report, for instance:

Arab world goes democratic and Israel goes authoritarian. How ironic.

Perhaps 90% plus of the comments are critical of Israel. A gem:

I used to be an unquestioning supporter of Israel, until I read this.

And another:

US and Europe should make a law that makes it unlawful to send money to all these idiots [in the gov't of Israel]… Why give money to Bigots.

Check out the outrage as people are waking up to how much Israel has used and abused its power to virtually control U.S. foreign policy in a manner that’s destructive to U.S. interests:

Thank you Israel

Thank you for taking billions of dollars in aid every year from our taxes, so that Jews in Israel can have things like free health care while we in the USA do not.

Thank you for erecting an apartheid wall and imposing Nazi style check points and curfews on Palestinians so that the whole Arab world can hate the United States for our supposed support of you.

Thank you for giving us Neocons in our government that always push relentlessly for policies that benefit Israel at the expense of the USA…

Thank you for giving us ZIONISM. that considers as essentially important only what is best for Israel and Jewish people above all other allegiances.

Thank you for bulldozing Palestinian homes, forcing the residents out at gunpoint, and stealing their land for Israeli settlements, all with the supposed backing of the USA, as that really helps our image in the world.

Thank you for giving us the Neocons that infested the Bush white house and formed the Project For The New American Century, who called for “A CATASTROPHIC AND CATALYZING EVENT LIKE A NEW PEARL HARBOR” TO HAPPEN ON AMERICAN SOIL so Americans would support middle east war.

But that’s not all.

Not only are Israel’s former supporters waking up, not only are Israel’s critics speaking up louder than ever, not only are American citizens furious at the horrific damage to the United States (including the September 11th attacks and the catastrophic invasion of Iraq) directly and indirectly caused by our blank check military support for Israel… Now Israel has fomented a new round of anti-Semitism! For example:

No wonder people wanted to gas the jews, look at how they behave

Congratulations, Israel. You have made the world less safe for Jews.

Congratulations, American Jewish supporters of Israel’s unending colonization of Palestinian land. You have made America less safe for Jews.

Israel’s defenders have the audacity to claim that criticism of Israel’s violations of human rights and international law is anti-Semitic. In fact, the opposite is true: support of such violations foments anti-Semitism and endangers Jews.

(H/T to Taxi for unearthing this link.)

72 Responses

  1. seafoid
    July 14, 2011, 11:35 am

    Lieberman is an idiot. He thinks US support is indefinite, regardless of what Israel does.

    • Lightbringer
      July 14, 2011, 7:21 pm

      US support means next to nothing actually.
      Furthermore, it is to US benefit to support Israel.

      • Shingo
        July 14, 2011, 9:26 pm

        US support means next to nothing actually.

        If you discount the billlions in aid, plus the tens fo billions in trade thjat benefits Israel at US expense, the diplomatic protection the UN and the arm twistign the US performs behind the scenes to force other countries to do as Israel wants (ie. Greece, Turkey, Egypt etc).

        Furthermore, it is to US benefit to support Israel.

        Yeah, as in 911.

      • Lightbringer
        July 15, 2011, 8:03 am

        If you discount the billlions in aid, plus the tens fo billions in trade thjat benefits Israel at US expense, the diplomatic protection the UN and the arm twistign the US performs behind the scenes to force other countries to do as Israel wants (ie. Greece, Turkey, Egypt etc).

        4 billions of direct aid, of which more that 3 billions are spent in the USA
        Rank Country Military expenditure, 2010[2] % of GDP, 2009
        1 United States 687,105,000,000 4.7%
        18 Israel 13,001,000,000 6.3%

        Israel is getting only about 0.5% (one half of percent) of US military
        Your whining is pathetic.

        Tens of billions of what money? Import taxes?

        Protection in the UN?
        UN huh
        It is unable to enforce any of it’s resolutions, pro- or anti-Israel.
        It has turned into one of most useless organizations ever, with its soldiers being bossed around by some 3rd grade militias.

        Yeah, as in 911.

        As of 911 – I myself do not believe that the official story is correct.
        However your allusions that Israel actually have something to do with the attack are rather baseless and do not correspond to all known facts – i.e. how Israelis could launch a cruise missile into Pentagon.

      • Shingo
        July 15, 2011, 8:37 am

        Israel is getting only about 0.5% (one half of percent) of US military
        Your whining is pathetic.

        If it’s so pathetic, why doesn’t Israel cough up the money and pay for heir own weapons. When Israel “ordered” the 20 F35’s, the order blew out one year’s military allocation, so Lockheed got permission from Congress to outsource the construction for components of the planes to Israeli companies and pay them for it.’

        In other words, US jobdsd we lost.

        Tens of billions of what money? Import taxes?

        No, tens of billions in one sided trade deals that benefit Israeli companies at teh cost of US comnpanies.

        Protection in the UN?
        UN huh

        Yes, UN.

        You wanna count the number of vetos the US has made at the UN on Israel’s behalf?

        It is unable to enforce any of it’s resolutions, pro- or anti-Israel.

        Really? What planet were you on during Desert Storm?

        However your allusions that Israel actually have something to do with the attack are rather baseless and do not correspond to all known facts – i.e. how Israelis could launch a cruise missile into Pentagon.

        I don’t think Israel had anythign to do with 911, other than being one of the reasons that Bin Laden attacked the US.

      • Lightbringer
        July 15, 2011, 12:18 pm

        If it’s so pathetic, why doesn’t Israel cough up the money and pay for heir own weapons. When Israel “ordered” the 20 F35′s, the order blew out one year’s military allocation, so Lockheed got permission from Congress to outsource the construction for components of the planes to Israeli companies and pay them for it.

        In other words, US jobdsd we lost.

        Yep. Probably 10 jobs, or even 15.
        Why don’t you go to Apple offices and don’t complain to them that they are producing millions of units, giving thousands of jobs, and all that to profit of US greatest advisory, China?
        Oh, I know why. Because upon your arrival you’ll be told to go and do with yourself something horrible.

        No, tens of billions in one sided trade deals that benefit Israeli companies at teh cost of US comnpanies.

        Can I have a listing of such trade deals?

        Yes, UN.

        You wanna count the number of vetos the US has made at the UN on Israel’s behalf?

        Surely
        But before that let’s count all other resolutions regarding human rights violations and how many times exactly they were enforced.

        Really? What planet were you on during Desert Storm?

        Desert Shield, Desert Storm, Desert Ass…
        It was US army who actually done 95% of all business and payed some 87% of all bills, and it was American soldiers who payed with their lives, along with some Brits, Aussies and Germans, while all other 150-something UN-member countries was watching TV, at worst engaged in patrols.

        I don’t think Israel had anythign to do with 911, other than being one of the reasons that Bin Laden attacked the US.

        Bin Laden actually never admitted attacking the US

      • RobertB
        July 15, 2011, 1:20 pm

        lightbringer…said…,

        “As of 911 – I myself do not believe that the official story is correct.
        However your allusions that Israel actually have something to do with the attack are rather baseless and do not correspond to all known facts – i.e. how Israelis could launch a cruise missile into Pentagon.”

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Click on link below to view/listen to various US news reporters on 9/11:

        Israeli’s with Bombs & Arab Disguises Caught on 9-11! Censored!

        And on –9/11

        A van with tons of explosives caught/stopped on the New Jersey Parkway- 2-3 Israelis arrested. Hmmm…how about those Mossad vans…massive deception is their name of the game!!!

        link to youtube.com

        ~~~~~~~~~~~

        The Five Dancing Israelis

        Arrested On 9-11

        link to whatreallyhappened.com

      • Shingo
        July 15, 2011, 7:45 pm

         Yep. Probably 10 jobs, or even 15.

        No, hundreds actually.  The contract is big.

        Why don’t you go to Apple offices and don’t complain to them..

        Apple isn’t being paid by the US taxpayer to send billions of dollars worth of computers to another country.

        Can I have a listing of such trade deals?

        There’s only one trade agreement, and it was the GAO who stated that it constituted an annual grant of $10 billion.

        <blockquote<  count all other resolutions regarding human rights violations and how many times exactly they were enforced.

        You must be referring to the dozens of UN resolutions Israel is flouting, which they are able to get away with thanks to the US.

         It was US army who actually done 95% of all business and payed some 87% of all bills

        False. The Saudis picked up the bill.

        As for paying with lives,the US government could care less about American deaths. As I pointed out, America paid the price of supporting Israel on 911 and continues to do so.

        Bin Laden actually never admitted attacking the US

        He explicitly cited Israel in his 1996 Fatwa against the US.

      • Lightbringer
        July 15, 2011, 8:01 pm

        With all due respect, but links you’ve provide only contain a number of black letters on white background, without any proof whatsoever.

        “(*Writer’s note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these “Arabs” were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not “sheikh uniforms”)”
        This one is laughable.

        Besides, this entire article is not addressing Pentagon hit by cruise missile.

      • RobertB
        July 16, 2011, 1:23 am

        You can laugh all you want to …Lightbringer, but Israel/Mossad was involved with 9/11 !!!

        >> ” With all due respect, but links you’ve provide only contain a number of black letters on white background, without any proof whatsoever.”

        “US official quoted in Carl Cameron’s Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring”:

        “Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.”

        link to whatreallyhappened.com

        >> “As of 911 – I myself do not believe that the official story is correct.
        However your allusions that Israel actually have something to do with the attack are rather baseless and do not correspond to all known facts.”

        On –9/11

        A van loaded with tons of explosives caught/stopped on the New Jersey Parkway- 2-3 Israelis arrested. How about those Mossad van(s) loaded with explosives…massive deception is their name of the game!!!

        CNN reporters & Dan Rather from CBS news reporting the details on the van/truck loaded with explosives on 9/11.

        Click link for details regarding above:

      • Lightbringer
        July 16, 2011, 7:47 am

        1 – You still haven’t addressed a cruise missile which has hit the Pentagon
        2 – I find it hard to believe that somebody – save suicide bombers of course – would ride around the city inside the van loaded with explosives, let alone dance on top of it.
        3 – Is there any way to obtain an untranslated version of that talk show where alleged Mossad agent admits that their purpose was to document the event?
        4 – On 5:57 titles in video state that:
        Israelis were celebrating the attack
        Israelis were trying to blow up the George Washington bridge
        Israelis have blown up the van on Kings st.

        So, while the former statement is at least somehow backed up, two latter ones have nothing to back them up whatsoever. On the same scale I might tell that it was you, Robert B, who actually was flying the plane which hit WTC2

      • Lightbringer
        July 16, 2011, 11:23 am

        No, hundreds actually. The contract is big.

        On base of what evidence you claim that Americans would lost hundreds of jobs?
        Well, don’t tell me, I know already – no evidence at all.
        You don’t even know what parts are going to be produced in Israel.

        Apple isn’t being paid by the US taxpayer to send billions of dollars worth of computers to another country.

        No, it just maximizes it’s profits by making Americans lost their jobs.

        Can I have a listing of such trade deals?

        There’s only one trade agreement, and it was the GAO who stated that it constituted an annual grant of $10 billion.

        Ok.
        Is there any document which shows how EXACTLY the US loses money?

        count all other resolutions regarding human rights violations and how many times exactly they were enforced.

        You must be referring to the dozens of UN resolutions Israel is flouting, which they are able to get away with thanks to the US.

        No, I was referring to number of resolutions related to such gruesome events as occupation of Tibet and Chechen war.

        It was US army who actually done 95% of all business and payed some 87% of all bills

        False. The Saudis picked up the bill.

        Saudis have payed DoD 67.1 billion of dollars?
        Can I have some proof?

        link to archive.gao.gov

        As for paying with lives,the US government could care less about American deaths. As I pointed out, America paid the price of supporting Israel on 911 and continues to do so.

        You guys have to decide first who actually was involved in 911 attack – Mossad or Muslims

        Bin Laden actually never admitted attacking the US

        He explicitly cited Israel in his 1996 Fatwa against the US.

        So what?
        He never admitted that he has anything to do with 911
        A 5 years old fatwa is hardly any evidence.

      • Shingo
        July 17, 2011, 5:42 am

        On base of what evidence you claim that Americans would lost hundreds of jobs?
        Well, don’t tell me, I know already – no evidence at all.

        Umm, wrong.
        link to hashmonean.com

        No, it just maximizes it’s profits by making Americans lost their jobs.

        No, it mazimixes it’s profits by reducing it’s costs, whic is it’s right as a commercial interest thatg does not rely on government money. Apple does not cmapign for government contracts by arguing that the money goes towards creating American jobs, whereas the military aid to the Israel does.

        Is there any document which shows how EXACTLY the US loses money?

        Yes, the Free Tradw Agreement itself.

        So what?
        He never admitted that he has anything to do with 911
        A 5 years old fatwa is hardly any evidence.

        KSM did admit to it, and the 911 Commission Report detiled that his motivasion was Irael.

      • Shmuel
        July 17, 2011, 6:00 am

        Hashmonean? You have some strange surfing habits, Shingo ;-)

        I liked this bit though:

        All opinions are welcome here, those that promote falsehoods will hopefully be challenged by fact and insight.

        Comments are closed.

      • Lightbringer
        July 17, 2011, 6:06 am

        Well, don’t tell me, I know already – no evidence at all.

        Umm, wrong.
        link to hashmonean.com

        There is not a single word regarding job losses.
        So far – no evidence.

        No, it mazimixes it’s profits by reducing it’s costs, whic is it’s right as a commercial interest thatg does not rely on government money. Apple does not cmapign for government contracts by arguing that the money goes towards creating American jobs, whereas the military aid to the Israel does.
        Apple is maximizing profits by reducing costs
        Reducing costs by transferring production onto Taiwan

        Israel is spending over 3/4 of aid inside USA, thus paying salaries to hundreds of Americans. With their own dollars of course of course, but would someone prefer Israel not to buy weapons and not to pay salaries?
        Unlikely.

        Is there any document which shows how EXACTLY the US loses money?

        Yes, the Free Tradw Agreement itself.Ok.
        Show me please how much exactly USA have lost in fiscal year 2010

        KSM did admit to it, and the 911 Commission Report detiled that his motivasion was Irael.
        Ehm
        Khalid Sheikh Mohammad and Ossama Bin Laden are not the same person.

        Strike NYC and WDC to hit Israel?
        What kind of drugs that commission was on?

      • Citizen
        July 17, 2011, 7:15 am

        Lightweight asks us, “Israel is spending over 3/4 of aid inside USA, thus paying salaries to hundreds of Americans. With their own dollars of course of course, but would someone prefer Israel not to buy weapons and not to pay salaries?”

        Yes, because said aid to Israel harms the U.S. and its citizens as a whole. Israel is required to use 75% of its military aid from the U.S. to buy arms and equipment such as Caterpillar bulldozers made in the U.S. It funnels this money to more than 1,000 U.S. arms suppliers, which in turn lobby for U.S. policies that benefit them at the expense of peace in the Middle East.

        As a result, this diversion of our US tax dollars not only reduces funding for education and social programs at a time when US domestic welfare programs are already being cut drastically, but militarizes US public policy overall.

        U.S. military aid to Israel sets the U.S. in opposition to many Arab and European nations who recognize the horrors of the occupation. This makes U.S. citizens less safe because we are more hated.

        And the massive flow of arms into Israel is made even more dangerous by arms sales of lesser quality to other Middle Eastern countries such as Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

        While all this business fills the coffers of arms merchants, it makes the Middle East ever more unstable. Furthermore, when our government arms Israeli proponents of massive human rights abuses, we become complicit in their crimes and hated by their victims.

        U.S. support of Israel’s occupation of Palestinian lands and its abuse of human rights undermines any US moral authority to criticize human rights abuses in other countries. And it shreds the U.S. of any credibility in acting to promote peace in the region.

        Violations of U.S. and international law: U.S. law prohibits the president from furnishing military aid to any country that engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights.? 22 U.S.C. ? 2304(a). The U.S. Department of State consistently reports that Israel’s overall human rights record in the occupied territories remaines poor and worsens in various areas as it continues to commit serious human rights abuses. Israeli security units uses excessive force during non-violent Palestinian demonstrations, while on patrol, pursuing suspects, and enforcing checkpoints and curfews, which continue to result in Palestinian deaths.

        Targeting civilians, as Israel has repeatedly done, is a war crime under the Fourth Geneva Convention. The fact that Palestinian groups have done the same makes it no less criminal.

        The US does not give Palestine 3 billion annually (plus interest) plus 11 billion in loan guarantees, which gives Israel cheap credit, and always end up as grants.

      • Shingo
        July 17, 2011, 7:38 am

        There is not a single word regarding job losses.
        So far – no evidence.

        It doesn’t need to. 4 to 5 billion paid to Israel is 4-5 billion not paid to US workers.

        Reducing costs by transferring production onto Taiwan

        Without a dollar of US taxpayer money being given to it. Again, Apple does not claim that it’s operation is good for the US based on the claim that is hires US workers.

        Israel is spending over 3/4 of aid inside USA, thus paying salaries to hundreds of Americans

        Wrong. The IS is giving Israel aid, some of which it is required to spend inside the US. The F35 deal hwoever will mean that more money stays in Israel than is spect in the US.

        And as mentioned earlier, the 3 billion is just the tip of the iceberg. Israle received up to 15 billion a year, factorign all aid and suplemetals etc.

        With their own dollars of course of course, but would someone prefer Israel not to buy weapons and not to pay salaries?
        Unlikely.

        They are not buying weapons and nor are they paying salaries. They are being given aid to do it with. The US government could just as easily be spending that money directly stimulting the US economy.

        Show me please how much exactly USA have lost in fiscal year 2010

        In the fiscal year 2010, the US had a trade deficit with ISrale of over 10 billion.

        Khalid Sheikh Mohammad and Ossama Bin Laden are not the same person.

        Irrelevant. They are both Al Qaeda

        Strike NYC and WDC to hit Israel?
        What kind of drugs that commission was on?

        Dtop playign dumb, you know that’s not what the Commission Reported. KSM and Bin Laden hit the US to punich them for their one sided dupport of Israel.

      • Chaos4700
        July 15, 2011, 12:49 am

        So let me get this straight — it us who owe you for the honor of giving you billions upon billions of dollars in aid, plus free jet fuel and bargain basement weapons that you routinely deploy against civilians, as well as for the opportunity to have Israeli intel agents run circles, steal from and generally make a laughing stock out of the American intel community?

      • Lightbringer
        July 15, 2011, 6:31 am

        Yeah, more or less.

      • marc b.
        July 15, 2011, 10:38 am

        well, then, thanks for your assistance, but it’s probably time for the US to grow up and move beyond our dependent relationship on israel for everything. let us go our separate ways, tears in our eyes. it might be hard at first for us, without israeli generosity and intellectual superiority to prop us up, but we’ll have to give it the old college try. really no way to adequately express our gratitude for all that you’ve done, so i won’t insult you by my meager efforts. see you in the next century.

      • Lightbringer
        July 15, 2011, 11:26 am

        Sure man, you are welcome.
        One last piece of advice – learn Chinese.

      • tree
        July 15, 2011, 12:56 pm

        I thought Lightbringer might enjoy this, from Haaretz:

        Israel is a second-rate, first-world country

        The first Hebrew word I learned on the job was balagan – mess.

        As most Israelis will readily admit – and in fact are quite fond of observing – Israel is a mess.

        This is not a pessimistic remark, because first of all, it’s the truth, and second of all, it isn’t necessarily a bad thing to have balagan. Though, I admit that I include this stock phrase to free you readers of any suspicion that I may conceal a deeply inculcated preference for cleanliness, order, efficiency, personal liberty, and other guilty pleasures leaning in the direction of refinement, i.e. Western Civilization.

        Israel is a modernizing, rapidly developing, second-rate first-world country. What this means on the ground is that Israelis can offer (and are irrationally proud of talking about and showing off) all kinds of 21st century goodies: top-of-the-line shopping malls, electric transportation, wireless internet, and so forth, but are not actually equipped with the infrastructure to build or support such glitzy commodities.

        Look, for example, at the Tel Aviv subway system, which Prime Minister Golda Meir began in the early 1970s, and for which not a single tunnel has been dug yet.

        Consider also the Jerusalem light rail: Now in its ninth year of construction, the train still does ‘practice runs’ instead of ‘passenger runs,’ while the specially constructed light rail bridge cannot bear its weight with passengers onboard.

        Then of course, there’s the WiFi capabilities at Tel Aviv University, which offers several thousand networks, each providing consistently low-bandwidth connection for 4-7 minutes.

        Iam downplaying the general disorder of things because it’s my responsibility as an American visitor here to appreciate the hospitality of the friendly land of Israel – but this has been the general idea in my experience.

        You may have noticed, I haven’t even mentioned the politics. This isn’t actually a dodge, but an accurate reflection of the way-of-life here.

        As far as I’ve seen, the conflict has very little to do with people’s visible daily lives. They work, they go out, they have families, and though everyone talks about the situation (Israeli politics deal with little else), for most people it’s a small thread in the balagan of everyday life.

        link to haaretz.com

      • Lightbringer
        July 16, 2011, 11:33 am

        xD
        Thank you, tree.

        P.S. Jeez, lately I’ve read more Haaretz articles than in all my previous life.

      • RoHa
        July 15, 2011, 2:14 am

        Benefits the US receives from supporting Israel:

        um….

        er….

        ummm….

        Give me a minute here.

        umm…

      • Lightbringer
        July 15, 2011, 7:03 am

        Uh huh
        As such – winning WWIII aka The Cold War; having access to latest hi-tech developments and, which is even more important, denying adversaries access to aforementioned technologies.

      • marc b.
        July 15, 2011, 8:56 am

        winning . . . The Cold War

        this is delusional. the soviet union collapsed on account of its being outspent into bankruptcy by the US. that was the plan, and i guess you could say it worked, but after having accomplished that great feat, we are following the USSR into extinction by spending ourselves into bankruptcy in response 9/11. brilliant.

        by the way, i do thank you for the cherry tomato and gene simmons of ‘KISS’. but we’re done with him now so you can have him back.

      • Chaos4700
        July 15, 2011, 9:00 am

        winning WWIII aka The Cold War

        Jonathan Pollard…

        having access to latest hi-tech developments

        Costing Americans thousands of jobs at home…

        denying adversaries access to aforementioned technologies

        Selling nuclear arms technology to apartheid South Africa. And God knows what your selling out to China right now.

      • Lightbringer
        July 15, 2011, 11:10 am

        Yeah, delusional. *yawn*
        And you probably have spent last 30 years studying USSR and it’s collapse. Not.
        Just FYI: USSR have had rather large deposits of all mineral resources available on out planet.

        You, Americans, have extremely funny ideas on some world history subjects.
        It reminded me of one day me and my American ex-girlfriend (oh still miss her dearly) have had an argument about who actually have had won WWII
        She was insisting that without Coalition intrusion at Normandy the war couldn’t be won.
        Lovely it is, is it not?

      • Sumud
        July 15, 2011, 11:11 am

        Benefits the US receives from supporting Israel:

        The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion

        And that article was from June 2003. Add a trillion or two more for the Iraq War:

        How the Wars Are Sinking the Economy
        Nobel Prize recipient Joseph Stiglitz and Harvard budget guru Linda J. Bilmes are revising their original $3 trillion war cost estimate. As Bilmes reports, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are at least 25 percent costlier than previous projections.

        It wouldn’t be right to attribute the catastrophic decision to invade and occupy Iraq solely to zionist neocons. But…

      • Lightbringer
        July 15, 2011, 11:24 am

        Jonathan Pollard only passed Israel information that US government were obliged to provide accordingly to current treaties.

        P.S. You forgot Rosenbergs

        Wrong.
        You really know THAT little of everything, or you are just pretending it for trolling purposes?
        Transferring factories to China indeed cost (hundreds of) thousands of jobs, yet buying high-tech from Israel cost at most few tens of jobs.

        Nukes were not sold after all.

        Now that’s lovely – there is ZERO evidence that Israel have sold anything objectionable to China, but for you it is as if entire stock of F-35’s is on it’s way to Beijing.

      • annie
        July 15, 2011, 11:43 am

        winning WWIII aka The Cold War

        you are such a tool, this is a framing meme of the neocons. obviously no one ever called the cold war a ‘world war’ while it was happening, that’s just an after the fact ploy. but by all means explain to us how israel can take credit for winning the cold war. this should be illuminating.

      • marc b.
        July 15, 2011, 12:01 pm

        delusional. *yawn*

        i’m sorry, is your medication making you sleepy? you might do better to stick with your erroneous declarations regarding israel’s mark on history. i really have no idea what you think you’re accomplishing with that list of statements on the USSR and WWII.

        You, Americans, have extremely funny ideas on some world history subjects.

        yes, us americans are a funny lot, especially when it comes to world history. but then, we don’t have a 4,000 year old historical text to explain things to us.

      • marc b.
        July 15, 2011, 12:03 pm

        you are such a tool

        thanks, annie. that’s really the only response required for mr. bringer.

      • Cliff
        July 15, 2011, 12:13 pm

        The Cold War was not WW3, Lightweight.

      • Chaos4700
        July 15, 2011, 8:04 pm

        I didn’t forget the Rosenbergs. They are irrelevant.

      • Lightbringer
        July 15, 2011, 8:11 pm

        A tool, yeah.
        A big f**ing machine gun.

        No-one ever called WWI “World War One” while it was happening.
        No-one ever called WWII “World War Two” while it was happening.

        How Israel have helped USA winning WWIII?
        Simple: by increasing it’s expenditures to arm Arab countries.
        It have had zero effect – Arabs couldn’t win anything, while efficiently wasting USSR resources and supplying USA with latest Soviet weapons – unwillingly of course.

      • Chaos4700
        July 15, 2011, 9:19 pm

        You helped us by making us spend up a crippling debt that our country will NEVER be able to pay off? And that is about to explode our economy in a couple months time? If we’re lucky, anyway, and the bilkers and robber barons who put the US in the sorry state it’s in don’t find a way to prolong this and make it worse by orders of magnitude a couple years later?

        Yeah, thanks for having all the grace and utility of the nasty anti-Semitic caricature of the devious Jewish banker that USED to be an ugly stereotype, but Israelis turned into a national identity.

        Yeah, thanks Lightbringer. Nobody could have brought the Jews low like you have. Thanks for taking lasting legacies like Maimonides and Albert Einstein and flushing them down the crapper so that you could pull the US government around like a puppet on strings. AND THEN BRAG ABOUT IT.

      • Lightbringer
        July 16, 2011, 6:31 am

        “The Cold War was not WW3″
        That’s you personal opinion, rather baseless btw.

        Just try to produce 1 (one) logical argument why the Cold War were not WWIII

      • Lightbringer
        July 16, 2011, 6:47 am

        Correction: How Israel have helped USA winning WWIII?
        Simple: by increasing USSR’s expenditures to arm Arab countries.

      • Lightbringer
        July 16, 2011, 6:51 am

        “You helped us by making us spend up a crippling debt that our country will NEVER be able to pay off?”
        No, I’ve made a typo.

        P.S. just be grateful that you don’t have to sing communist anthem every morning.

      • annie
        July 16, 2011, 7:34 am

        baseless? not even wiki references the cold war as ww3. of course i only read down 1/2 the page. maybe it is somewhere in some footnotes. if you scroll down wiki’s www3 link, way after the opening paragraph which i will copy for you here:

        is a term used to refer to a hypothetical In fiction, the war is often depicted as extremely devastating.

        scroll down past Possible triggers, Suez Crisis, Cuban Missile Crisis, False alarms, Which “World War”, until you come to ‘cold war’ and here is what it says:

        Cold War

        Some analysts and historians[6] and some neoconservative thinkers, including Norman Podhoretz,[7] have suggested the Cold War can be identified as World War III because it was fought on a global scale by proxy combatants of the United States and later NATO, and the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries.

        this is a neocon framing invention crafted after the end of the cold war by neocons. norm podhoretz doesn’t determine global history.

      • Lightbringer
        July 16, 2011, 7:54 am

        Wiki?
        I don’t care what Wiki, or someone called Norman Podhoretz (never heard this name before) have to say regarding such issue.

        I have enough wits of my own, and if I see a conflict which has all the features of WWIII… well, it IS WWIII than.

        “this is a neocon framing invention crafted after the end of the cold war.”
        Framing schraming
        You still haven’t produced even one logical argument why the Cold War is NOT the WWIII.

        “norm podhoretz doesn’t determine global history.”
        You do not determine it either.

      • annie
        July 16, 2011, 8:03 am

        well, you still haven’t produced one shred of evidence why mice are not called dogs. so there.

        I don’t care what Wiki, or someone called Norman Podhoretz (never heard this name before) have to say regarding such issue.

        never heard of norm p? of course you haven’t. you’ve probably never heard of pnac either. or the weekly standard. ah huh.

      • Lightbringer
        July 16, 2011, 8:14 am

        You produced the evidence yourself “…it was fought on a global scale by proxy combatants of the United States and later NATO, and the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries.”

        Still need more evidence? Like what? Nuclear strikes? Earth sterilization?

        Furthermore, if we consider, say Vietnam and Korean wars as part of WWIII we could see that WWIII was not only fought by proxies armed by superpowers, but by superpowers themselves.

        P.S. I like the idea of PNAC ;-P
        P.P.S. Actually I’ve heard of The Weekly Standard, but since I’m not reading newspapers, magazines and not watching TV, it is of a very limited interest to me.

  2. American
    July 14, 2011, 12:11 pm

    It is unless we do something about it.
    Ranting about Israel doesn’t really do much good as far our politicians are concerned.
    Instead go after the US zionist politicans…..that’s Israel’s achilles heel

  3. eljay
    July 14, 2011, 12:28 pm

    >> Now Israel has fomented a new round of anti-Semitism! … Congratulations, Israel. You have made the world less safe for Jews.

    Yup, I fear for those Jews who will suffer some portion of the blowback wrought by the actions of immoral Zio-supremacists (within and without Israel) and their oppressive and colonialist state.

    “They only hate us for our freedoms!” Yeah, right.

  4. American
    July 14, 2011, 12:46 pm

    I like this yahoo nugget best:

    “”The immediate adoption of a settlements freeze by Israel, more than any other action, could create the confidence needed for wider participation in these talks. Further settlement activity is in no way necessary for the security of Israel.” — President Ronald Reagan, Sept. 1, 1982
    Total settlement population (1983): 106,595

    It illustrates how the zionist in our government and congress have prevented even the President of the US from being able do anything about Israel.

    • eljay
      July 14, 2011, 1:47 pm

      >> “The immediate adoption of a settlements freeze by Israel, more than any other action, could create the confidence needed for wider participation in these talks. Further settlement activity is in no way necessary for the security of Israel.” — President Ronald Reagan, Sept. 1, 1982

      Wow, I didn’t know Reagan was both a member of “dissent” and a supporter of Hamas. Why was he trying to delegitimize Israel? Why did he hate Jews so much?!

  5. marc b.
    July 14, 2011, 1:20 pm

    the problem for israel is that the conflict really isn’t all that difficult to understand, and, unlike the myriad warring tribes in pakistan/afghanistan, it really does just boil down to two sides. when people are confronted with seemingly intractable, complex problems, anyone with an inclination towards addressing injustices will naturally gravitate towards a problem with a relatively simple solution.

    • Lightbringer
      July 16, 2011, 8:04 am

      the problem for israel is that the conflict really isn’t all that difficult to understand

      Wrong

      and, unlike the myriad warring tribes in pakistan/afghanistan, it really does just boil down to two sides.

      Wrong

      when people are confronted with seemingly intractable, complex problems, anyone with an inclination towards addressing injustices will naturally gravitate towards a problem with a relatively simple solution.

      That is a statement by someone who actually have never tried to find a simple solution on a complex problem.

      • Chaos4700
        July 16, 2011, 4:01 pm

        You know what’s sad? Limiting your responses to just the one word, “Wrong,” really is the most intelligent, coherent thing you’ve said to date.

  6. marc b.
    July 14, 2011, 1:21 pm

    oh, and they will become increasingly militant and angry at those who spin easily refuted fictions in defense of the status quo. nobody likes to be condescended to.

  7. munro
    July 14, 2011, 2:42 pm

    “Congratulations, Israel. You have made the world less safe for Jews.”
    What about the safety of US servicemen in Muslim countries (at neocon’s behest) as Israelis brazenly kill, maim, dispossess and humiliate Muslims with our money, weapons and slavish diplomatic support?

  8. lysias
    July 14, 2011, 3:10 pm

    In fact, the opposite is true: support of such violations foments anti-Semitism and endangers Jews.

    But that’s what Israel and its supporters want. It will drive more Jews to Israel, and keep the Jews who are there from leaving.

  9. Les
    July 14, 2011, 5:45 pm

    From today’s Guardian,

    “In a separate development, nursery schools in Israel are to be required to raise the Israeli flag and sing the national anthem at least once a week to strengthen children’s Zionist values. Kindergartens in Arab areas will be exempt from the requirement, issued by the education ministry.”

    link to guardian.co.uk

  10. casaananda
    July 14, 2011, 8:36 pm

    Eljay: you are a complete and utter MORON.

    That said: it’s about time Americans woke up.

    I had the honor of sitting with the the greatest Black scholar in the US the night Obama was elected. This was John Hope Franklin, retired from Duke University and well in to his 80s. He was happy that night, thinking Obama would be THE man to turn thing around in the US. I’m glad he did not live to be disappointed, because he died four months later. He, too, recognized Zionism for what it had become: racist and immoral. A colonialist venture run amok. But he also said, speaking generally: “Things will have to get a lot worse before they get better.” Well, they have. So bad, in fact, it may de dawning on Americans that our government has pursued horrible policies, esp over the last decade: undermining our social fabric and economy at home, and our standing overseas with the Israeli-centric foreign policy that has catered to the worst elements in Israeli society.

    • Shingo
      July 14, 2011, 9:30 pm

      Lighten up cassanda, or has your sense of humor gone on an indefinite hiatus?

    • eljay
      July 14, 2011, 9:49 pm

      >> Eljay: you are a complete and utter MORON.

      Nice to meet you, too. :-) By the way, it’s “eljay”.

      • Chaos4700
        July 15, 2011, 12:50 am

        Dang, you show a hell of a lot more grace than I do, eljay. Good man.

      • eljay
        July 15, 2011, 8:58 am

        >> Dang, you show a hell of a lot more grace than I do, eljay.

        Thank goodness for a ten-minute edit window, eh? ;-)

  11. DICKERSON3870
    July 14, 2011, 10:06 pm

    RE: “No wonder people wanted to gas the jews, look at how they behave” – comment at Yahoo News article

    MY COMMENT: I’m fairly confident that this person would have been an anti-Semite irrespective of the existence of Israel and/or the policies/behavior of Israel’s government.
    To make a comment like “no wonder people wanted to gas the jews [sic]” is truly despicable.
    The person who made that comment is certainly no friend of the Palestinians. In fact, they are no friend of humanity.
    I realize there are many very immature individuals making absurd comments on the internet, but there is absolutely no excuse for such an ignorant, ugly, hateful, vile comment!

    • Shingo
      July 14, 2011, 10:24 pm

      I second your condemnation Dickerson3780.

      That comment should never have made it past the moderators and the commenter should have been banned.

    • DICKERSON3870
      July 14, 2011, 10:37 pm

      P.S. BUT UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS WHAT THEY SEEM. THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR ÜBER MACHIAVELLIAN MACHINATIONS (PSYOPS) :

      JIDF 4chan operations for Feb 2011
      Jewish Internet Defense Force (offsite)

      This upcoming February we will be launching our largest operation on 4chan and other popular image boards, our objective is to create an image of Palestinians and Lebanese being virulently anti-American and anti-Western.

      Create threads against Israel and fill them with posts from violent Jihadist Palestinians, claim to want to immigrate into the West to do Jihad, later on in the threads post links to propaganda films like Pallywood.
      • Exploit massive Lebanese immigration into Australia as a reason why the Australian people should support Israel.
      • Claim that Israel helps stop Muslim immigration into the West.
      • Post propaganda threads linking to Palestinian and Lebanese suicide bombers and other Muslim extremism, in these threads also reply as a Jew who has been affected by Jihadist violence, explain to the readers that Muslims are a threat to the West.
      Start threads claiming to be Lebanese-Americans or Palestinian-Englanders, portray yourselves as extremely anti-Israel, later on in these threads claim to be a Jew disgusted by the behavior of the Lebanese/Palestinian man.
      MD5: 98bc2f5ba195396e3958bcec640a4292
      -7-6-6-2-5-8-2-1-8-9-3-6-7-8-4-5-6

      SOURCE – link to niqnaq.wordpress.com

      • mmm245
        July 14, 2011, 11:05 pm

        I kind of agree with Dickerson3870, some of these comments don’t seem realistic <> whereas others attempt to link genuine criticism of Israel with anti-Semitic speech <>

        Moreover, think about the audience for an article like this: probably similar to those people who daily read mondoweiss. Some of the comments are far too detailed with info to represent an instantaneous change of heart with regard to Israel.

        So maybe the comments are really a mix of hasbara and views of already well-informed readers and not a reaction to the new boycott law.

    • Ellen
      July 15, 2011, 4:30 am

      Dickerson3870,

      Comments like that are so bizzaro, so trashy and stupid they are not worthy of acknowledgment.

      It has also been my experience that such outbursts are also sometimes made by Hasbarists, feeding a pathology. In the spirit of the faux voice over of “Go back to Auschweitz!” line inserted by the IDF into the Mavi Marmara exchange.

      Or the spraying of the “Hacken Kreuz” onto trash bins by Orthodox teens in a European city, or the GW student making Anti Jewish threats against herself with Swastikas onto her door.

      • Citizen
        July 15, 2011, 7:46 am

        Now that takes a lot of “choots-pah.” Ain’t it wonderful to watch US presidential wannabees struggling with the Yiddish coin of the realm they didn’t know existed until they found themselves in the public eye and got their first MOT handler? Watch; it’s really funny: link to youtube.com

        PS, I imagine Dick Morris would be ROFL. (Dennis Ross too)

    • Mndwss
      July 15, 2011, 9:26 am

      DICKERSON3870

      Yes the comment was truly despicable.

      And comments like that are despised. As they should be. (Mel Gibson, John Galliano).

      Even Helen Thomas who only told the colonialists to go home, was despised. (And lost her job).

      When jews march in east-Jerusalem calling for killing, burning and slaughter of the arabs:

      The world is silent……………….

      “The person who made that comment is certainly no friend of the Palestinians. In fact, they are no friend of humanity.”

      No and the world is no friend of humanity.

      “I realize there are many very immature individuals making absurd comments on the internet, but there is absolutely no excuse for such an ignorant, ugly, hateful, vile comment!”

      I agree.

      Hateful comments seems only to be allowed against Arabs and Muslims.

    • CigarGod
      July 15, 2011, 9:42 am

      I’d rather hear and see the comments.
      How does one keep tabs on the health of a person or society if you hide his conditions from view?
      How do you treat such a virus if it has been hidden from you?

  12. hammersmith46
    July 15, 2011, 8:30 am

    It is unrealistic for Israel supporters to think they can keep the lid on this forever, though history thur far would certainly encourage them to think so!

    • Chaos4700
      July 15, 2011, 9:13 am

      But they do. You should see the disgusting apologism that is currently going on in this article. Somebody is going case by case and justifying Israeli attacks on children.

  13. Emily
    July 15, 2011, 1:29 pm

    Hahaha the best comment exchange:

    – “Hamas employs full-time suicide bombers, including children, to spread their views and kill innocent people. Pretty sleazy, huh?”

    – “What does Hamas have to do with this news article. Oh yea, nothing.”

  14. RobertB
    July 15, 2011, 2:36 pm

    Just Ask Israel…And Ye Shall Receive … The American taxpayers, farmers …etc… pay for it !!!

    **********

    Obama Administration Takes from American Farmers, Gives to Israel

    Policy change slips in under the radar

    Alison Weir

    “At a time of financial crisis in the United States in which thousands of Americans have lost their jobs and homes, an Israeli news service reports that President Obama has just signed a presidential memo eliminating a tariff on Israel that protected American dairy farmers and that raised money for the American economy.1

    In addition, according to the Israeli report, US trade authorities have ordered the return of $17,000 to an Israeli export agent for a levy paid for butter produced by an Israeli company.

    The move comes at a time when American dairy farmers have been facing what industry representatives call a “crisis.” According to the National Milk Producers Federation website, “U.S. dairy producers have been facing unprecedented losses over the past year due to low milk prices and high input costs. The dire economic straits have forced many dairy farmers to exit the industry, oftentimes having to sell their herds or farms.”2

    According to the news report by Israeli wire service Ynet, the Obama memo, which was signed several days ago, removed the import subcharge on dairy products from Israel.

    The report noted that such levies are important for protecting local production against competing imports, “which put the local production at risk.” The levy is required from most countries that export dairy products to the U.S.

    According to Ynet, Israeli agricultural attaché Yaakov Poleg was able to convince the US that “the trade agreement between Israel and the US prohibits placing taxes on exports from Israel.”

    However, this tax was required under previous American administrations.

    The Ynet report quotes Israeli export agent Dudu Buch, whose company is to receive the $17,000, as taking credit for obtaining this change in US policy.

    Buch states: “My American colleague was under a lot of pressure and almost gave up, saying that if the American system imposed a protection levy it would last forever.”

    Buch goes on to say, “I told him that we Israelis can think differently. I turned to the Agriculture Ministry’s representative at the Israeli Embassy in Washington, and the matter was dealt with quickly.” ”

    link to ifamericansknew.org

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