Breaking: ‘Irvine 11′ found guilty on two charges for protesting Michael Oren

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Update: Electronic Intifada reports over twitter that the students will not be sentenced to jail time, but instead will have three years probation and will have to do 56 hours of community service at a non-profit. The probation will be dropped if the community service is completed within a year. EI tweets the judge said “defendants were motivated by their political beliefs. No jailtime.”

Also: Jewish Voice for Peace has released the following statement:

‘This is a shameful day for the legal system and the Jewish communal leaders who actively supported this unfair railroading of young Muslim students and unprecedented attack on everyone’s right to free speech. How can it be that the Israeli ambassador enjoys more rights in the United States than do young Muslim citizens?

We hope this prompts some real soul-searching among those who actively supported the case against the Irvine students simply because they didn’t like what the students had to say about Israel’s human rights record.

The principle of free expression for even unpopular speech, as it applies to all people, is fundamental to democracy. And it is never, ever OK to allow or support the unjust targeting of a minority group—which is what happened here. And frankly, as a religious and ethnic minority who was once a largely young immigrant population, Jews of all people should understand the need to protect minority rights.

Our young Jewish members engaged in a nearly identical protest of Israeli policies-only the venue was larger and the target was the Prime Minister of Israel, Bibi Netanyahu. They were let off without even a mark. Their Muslim peers were tried and criminalized. What does this say about America today?
 

Original Post: This is a chilling decision and a very dangerous precedent. An Orange County court has found 10 Muslim students guilty of two misdemeanors for a protest they held against Israeli ambassador Michael Oren in February 2010. For background on the case see the Mondoweiss posts here, here and here. Also read Nora Barrows-Friedman’s blog on Electronic Intifada, who has offered the best coverage of this case bar none.

From the LA Times:

In a case that garnered national attention over free-speech rights, the trial centered on conflicting views of who was being censored. Prosecutors argued that Ambassador Michael Oren was “shut down” when his speech was interrupted by students who took turns shouting preplanned phrases in a crowded UC Irvine ballroom.

Six defense attorneys argued that the students, seven from UC Irvine and three from UC Riverside, were only following the norm of other college protests and were being singled out.

A guilty verdict, the defense had said during the trial, could chill student activism and the free exchange of ideas at colleges nationwide.

University administrators disciplined some of the students involved and suspended the campus Muslim Student Union, whose members participated in the protest, for an academic quarter. The group is still on probation.

The case also has drawn the attention of a wide range of groups, including Muslim and Jewish organizations and civil libertarians. The trial began Sept. 7.

Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of UC Irvine’s Law School, has said that although freedom of speech is not an absolute right, university sanctions were enough for the students.

But he also added that he believes criminal sanctions go too far.

Chemerinsky told The Times last week that “it makes no sense” to use such resources. “It’s so minor.”

Charges against one defendant were tentatively dismissed pending completion of 40 hours of community service at a local soup kitchen.

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  1. annie
    September 23, 2011, 3:13 pm

    i am devastated. just retweeted

    ghassanish Ghassan Hussein

    Just spoke to a few of the #Irvine11 students. Khalid Akari just told me “God has a plan for us” #Irvine11

    • annie
      September 23, 2011, 3:14 pm

      i hope they take it all the way to the supreme court. how many code pink people have disrupted speeches and nothing like this. this is completely racist and unjust. i’m livid.

      • annie
        September 23, 2011, 3:35 pm

        latimes

        Irvine 11′: Verdict lights up Twitter

        Twitter was alive with reaction — sharp but mixed — to an Orange County jury’s decision Friday to find 10 Muslim students guilty of conspiring and then disrupting a February 2010 speech at UC Irvine by the Israeli ambassador to the United States.

        The case has drawn national attention over free-speech rights. Prosecutors argued that Ambassador Michael Oren was “shut down” when his speech was interrupted by students who took turns shouting preplanned phrases in a crowded UC Irvine ballroom. But defense attorneys argued the students were only following in the footsteps of generations of those who have staged college protests and that their clients were being singled out.

        Here’s a sampling from Twitter:

      • annie
        September 23, 2011, 4:08 pm

        trending on twitter EI is second in the US right now and it ain’t cuz of bibi.

      • Hostage
        September 23, 2011, 5:05 pm

        In Meese v. Keene, 481 U.S. 465 (1987) the Court upheld a statutory classification under The Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938 as “political propaganda” of communications or expressions by or on behalf of foreign governments, foreign “principals,” or their agents, and reasonably adapted or intended to influence United States foreign policy.

        I think that Oren, as a well-known registered foreign alien propagandist, might present a bit of a 1st amendment problem if the case ever reaches the Supreme Court.

      • Antidote
        September 24, 2011, 7:00 am

        Reality check:

        “Although the act was designed to broadly apply to any foreign agent (and was first used against German Nazi and Soviet propagandists), in practice FARA is frequently used to target countries out of favor with an administration.[3]
        In the 1960s, the American Zionist Council was found to be engaged in massive violations of FARA by being funded by and acting on behalf of Israel and was ordered by Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy to register as a foreign agent. The DOJ reversed those enforcement efforts under pressure from both the Israel lobby and the Johnson administration during its reelection bid.[4][5] Controversy regarding lobbying on behalf of Israel continued after the American Zionist Council was reorganized as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), with former Senator William Fulbright and former senior CIA official Victor Marchetti calling for registering the lobby. The issue was renewed in 2004 by the AIPAC espionage scandal.[6]
        Even though both AIPAC and the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations lobby for the government of Israel, they still have not been forced to register at the DOJ. [...]

        The Foreign Agent Registration Unit is heavily underfunded despite an increase in the number of foreign lobbyists in Washington, as well as higher spending. In June 2004, the Justice Department claimed that the Unit’s database for tracking foreign lobbyists was in disrepair and claimed that much of its data could be lost unless the database was backed up.”

        link to en.wikipedia.org

      • Hostage
        September 24, 2011, 9:00 am

        Reality check, Oren is not a lobbyist for the American Zionist Council. He’s an Ambassador who presented credentials issued by the Foreign Minister of the State of Israel which permit him to act as an agent of that government in this country.

        As such, nobody needs to register or monitor him. His statements are automatically considered “political propaganda” under the terms of the statute. The Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of that provision in Meese v Keene (and the DOJ really can’t reverse the Supreme Court).

      • annie
        September 24, 2011, 10:43 am

        i hope it does reach the supreme court.

    • longliveisrael
      September 23, 2011, 4:54 pm

      “God has a plan for us” #Irvine11″

      Why do these people make it a religious issue, I thought it was about justice and rights. This is what you all say to Israel supporters, when you are not cursing at them.

      If the court had ruled for them, you would have lauded them for a great decision. If you believe in justice and the justice system, then it works both ways.

      • annie
        September 23, 2011, 4:59 pm

        lli, check this out:

        In February 2010, as Oren began to speak about the U.S.-Israeli relationship at a campus speech, the students rose one-by-one to object to Israel’s occupation of the West Bank. One shouted, “Michael Oren, propagating murder is not an expression of free speech!” As the offender was removed from the audience, a designated compatriot shouted, “You, sir, are an accomplice to genocide!” And so on. According to an attorney for one of the students, the longest of the interruptions lasted roughly 8 seconds, and the total amount of time taken up by their outbursts—combined—was roughly one minute.

        That’s one minute too long when you’re talking about Muslim students interrupting the Israeli ambassador to the U.S. to inform him that some people think his country’s policies are unjust, which is illegal, so don’t do it.

        that is gawker: Muslim Students Convicted of Being Mean to Israeli Ambassador.

        Why do these people make it a religious issue

        some people think being chosen to defend the first amendment means god is on their side. it is a noble cause but somebody’s got to do it.

      • eee
        September 23, 2011, 5:48 pm

        You really don’t get it. The students were not interrupting Oren. They were interrupting the 700 other people who came to hear him. It is not about Oren. It is about 700 other people that came to hear a lecture.

      • justicewillprevail
        September 23, 2011, 6:00 pm

        No, it’s about making a protest, something students have been doing for 50 years without being prosecuted. You think they would have arrested Jewish students for protesting?

      • Chaos4700
        September 23, 2011, 8:03 pm

        And what about the Zionist Jewish groups that interrupted MOCHA and got Palestinian art banned? Why aren’t they getting hauled up on charges too, eee, if this is about legal equivocation?

      • Kathleen
        September 23, 2011, 7:14 pm

        Did you hear Bibi today? The Bible says the land is ours, I have a signet ring for crying out loud…this is insane

      • justicewillprevail
        September 23, 2011, 7:45 pm

        I’d like to see him take the Bible to the ICC as evidence that he can kidnap and torture children, as well as imprisoning thousands without trial, steal their land and water and trash their olive groves.

      • Kathleen
        September 26, 2011, 9:53 am

        agree

  2. BillM
    September 23, 2011, 3:15 pm

    What is the punishment in this country for a Muslim who interrupts an Israeli?

  3. tod
    September 23, 2011, 3:20 pm

    A jury of your peers:

    “Jose Palomares · Chaffey College
    David is not ignorant and Islam is one of the most recognized terrorist organization that is fueled by the words of Muhammad and reiterated in the Hadiths!”

    “David Siess
    These Muslim extremists needed to learn a lesson. Free speech means you let people talk in a forum, and you don’t shout them down. Hopefully they learned you cannot do this crap.”

    “Tzvi Raviv
    This group have a long history of violating freedom of speech at UC Irvine, look for videos of Daniel Pipes at Irvine”

    “Mark Symns
    What a shock! Muslims causing trouble…..”

    “David Glazer
    Get 10 ropes and let’s hang these camel jockey’s!”

    • DBG
      September 23, 2011, 3:44 pm

      sounds like a combination of frustration and outright racism from those fools.

      • justicewillprevail
        September 23, 2011, 4:50 pm

        Yes, those racist prosecutors and Israel worshippers are a menace to democracy. You are right.

      • john h
        September 23, 2011, 7:01 pm

        >> “Israel worshippers” <<

        That's exactly what all Zionists and Christian Zionists are.

  4. James
    September 23, 2011, 3:25 pm

    …”chilling student activism and the free exchange of ideas at colleges nationwide…”

    i am sure the laws inside germany in the 30’s would have been slanted in a similar manner or worse… welcome to amerika 2011…

    it might be too late for the usa to wake up…

    • Keith
      September 23, 2011, 4:59 pm

      JAMES- I agree completely. This trial must be viewed in the larger context of the overall suppression of dissent under the guise of “anti-terrorism.” Look at how the anti-globalization protests in Canada were handled. As structural adjustment comes to the First World, protests are anticipated and will be dealt with harshly.

  5. eee
    September 23, 2011, 3:50 pm

    I would not have wasted public money to prosecute them but they got their day in court and lost. Oh yes, the Looooooooby got to the jury.

    And we are all the better for it. Interrupting Oren is not freedom of speech. Saying whatever you want about Oren and Israel afterward or before is.

    Let me asking you this. Is standing up and speaking loudly against Israel during a filming of a pro-Israel movie, freedom of speech or is this just disturbing the people who came to see the movie? What is the difference between a movie and a lecture by Oren?

    • Shingo
      September 23, 2011, 4:02 pm

      Keep practicing that goose step eee. You’re a natural.

    • annie
      September 23, 2011, 4:02 pm

      Looooooooby got to the jury

      oh please . the case went to trial on the 10 year anniversary of 9/11. i’d say the lobby got much higher up the ladder than the jury. they got their day in court alright but don’t you think for one minute this is over. there will be a revolt. the next time one of israel war criminal supporters trkes talking on an american campus there will be pushback.mark my words. this is going down in american history and israel will be the one who looses.

    • seafoid
      September 23, 2011, 4:40 pm

      “What is the difference between a movie and a lecture by Oren?”

      Some movies are based on fact and reason .

      • justicewillprevail
        September 23, 2011, 4:52 pm

        LOL!

        Interrupting windbags like Oren is a public duty. BTW there have been student protests since the 60’s. When have they been prosecuted for standing up to bullies and liars,before?

      • Kathleen
        September 23, 2011, 7:15 pm

        zing a ding ding

    • Chaos4700
      September 23, 2011, 7:13 pm

      See you at the ICC, fool. Let’s see if you’re still equivocal about having a day in court then.

      • DBG
        September 24, 2011, 12:56 pm

        LOL, you don’t have a clue how the ICC works Chaos, I don’t think you can present charges against EEE there. Nor will the Palestinians try to present charges against Israel, their history of terror will no doubt become a focal point. Remember, every missile fired against Israel is a war crime.

      • Hostage
        September 24, 2011, 2:13 pm

        Nor will the Palestinians try to present charges against Israel,

        Well duh! The PA and Arab League already did file a complaint with the Prosecutor’s Office alleging Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity. Hamas, on the other hand, was found responsible for war crimes as a result of its indiscriminate rocket fire into Israel. link to idi.org.il

      • eee
        September 24, 2011, 3:18 pm

        How has going to the ICC helped Syria or Lebanon? Has the ICC opinion on the security fence mattered? Going to the ICC will do nothing. There are no miracle short cuts. Only negotiations will work. DBG, let them howl at the moon while thinking they are doing something.

      • Hostage
        September 24, 2011, 10:29 pm

        How has going to the ICC helped Syria or Lebanon? Has the ICC opinion on the security fence mattered? Going to the ICC will do nothing.

        You’ve confused the International Court of Justice with the ICC. The International Criminal Court investigates, issues arrest warrants, and upon conviction, sentences individuals to terms of confinement in prisons operated by one of the member states. Neither Syria nor Lebanon have become state parties. On January 23, 2009, the Registrar of the Court wrote to the PNA acknowledging receipt of its declaration and informed it that its acceptance of the Court’s jurisdiction obligated it to comply with the provisions pertaining to responsibilities of member states in Part 9. International Cooperation And Judicial Assistance and any rules thereunder. The ICC Prosecutor already has several reports that include the 2004 ICJ findings. Once Palestine is accepted as a member state, he will be obliged to take action on systematic and widespread violations of Article 49(6) of GCIV since 2002.

  6. DICKERSON3870
    September 23, 2011, 3:55 pm

    RE: ” ‘Irvine 11′ found guilty on two charges for protesting Michael Oren”

    SAME AS IT EVER WAS, SAME AS IT EVER WAS: The Trial of Israel’s Campus Critics, by David Theo Goldberg and Saree Makdisi, Tikkun Magazine, September/October 2009

    (excerpt)…It is an extraordinary fact that no fewer than thirty-three distinct organizations – including AIPAC, the Zionist Organization of America, the American Jewish Congress, and the Jewish National Fund – are gathered together today as members or affiliates of the Israel on Campus Coalition. The coalition is an overwhelmingly powerful presence on American college campuses for which there is simply no equivalent on the Palestinian or Arab side. Its self-proclaimed mission is not merely to monitor our colleges and universities. That, after all, is the commitment of Campus Watch, which was started by pro-Israel activists in 2002. It is, rather (and in its own words), to generate “a pro-active, pro-Israel agenda on campus.”
    There is, accordingly, disproportionate and unbalanced intervention on campuses across the country by a coalition of well-funded organizations, who have no time for — and even less interest in — the niceties of intellectual exchange and academic process. Insinuation, accusation, and defamation have become the weapons of first resort to respond to argument and criticism directed at Israeli policies. As far as these outside pressure groups (and their campus representatives) are concerned, the intellectual and academic price that the scholarly community pays as a result of this kind of intervention amounts to little more than collateral damage…

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to tikkun.org

  7. radii
    September 23, 2011, 4:16 pm

    after the shock and awe that was the 9/11 “new Pearl Harbor” we were all traumatized and obediently allowed curbs on our freedoms (as guaranteed in our Constitution) and now it is we, the ostensible victims, who are under constant scrutiny, have our rights curtailed, and can no longer freely exercise 1st Amendment free speech rights (and political speech is the most protected) … even with the heavily-stacked right-wing US Supreme Court, they will overturn this conviction if it makes it that far up the legal ladder … a wrong verdict on its face … in the 60s there were sit-ins and far worse and most of the time they just rounded up the kids and made them go somewhere else … Oren and other israeli talking heads have no shortage of outlets for their propaganda so he could have just rescheduled at a friendler locale … the onus is on those who crack down on free speech rights, not on those who exercise them

  8. seafoid
    September 23, 2011, 4:41 pm

    It just sounds like another example of the lobby overextending itself. Silencing people instead of listening to them. Bringing on the Zionist Goetterdaemmerung.

  9. anne silver
    September 23, 2011, 5:30 pm

    As I stand in solidarity with the brave people who received this outrageously unjust blow and recover from my initial grief on hearing the verdict (while still reeling from the ravings of the loutish Netanyahu), I am inspired and comforted by the fact that the whole attack on them is an indication of how powerful the movement for the Palestinian cause has become. History is a good friend in times like these.

  10. atime forpeace
    September 23, 2011, 5:31 pm

    “Why do these people make it a religious issue, I thought it was about justice and rights.” longlivei_l.

    Bibi just made it a religious issue also, officially in a direct association of his name and the “religious issue”, planting himself right in the b-i-b-l-e.

  11. Real Jew
    September 23, 2011, 6:12 pm

    Utterly reprehensible that it even went to court. The students didn’t “shut down” Oren. As a matter of fact they helped him cut the appearance short so he can go hang out with Kobe Bryant at some Lakers function. They are trying to make an example out of these brave students in order to prevent any similar instances in the future.It’s just pure horseshit. Just another disgraceful attempt by pro Israel fanatics to stop criticism of Israel.

  12. Cliff
    September 23, 2011, 6:17 pm

    Absolutely disgusting.

    Zionist Jews boycott art exhibits by Palestinian children. They boycott stories about Palestinian children under occupation. They essentially boycott the TRUTH of the Palestinian experience vis a vis Zionism.

    And at the same time, we’re force-fed Zionist bullshit memes from the MSM. Brand Israel wants Americans and Europeans to think of Israel as an oasis. No mention of the occupation and on-going colonization of Palestinian land.

    So they attempt to get Muslims students thrown in jail while pushing their lies in the war of narratives.

    • longliveisrael
      September 23, 2011, 7:44 pm

      Ha, you’re complaining about boycotting, when you all support boycotting anything and everything to do with Israel, including books from Israel as was done in Scotland.

      • Chaos4700
        September 23, 2011, 8:00 pm

        I thought you people were saying boycotting wasn’t working.

        Anyway, Cliff is using the wrong word. “Boycott” is when someone refuses to pay and/or participate in something of their own volition. Zionist Jews didn’t merely boycott those art exhibits and the stories, they banned them. You made it impossible for anyone to see that art.

        What we’re doing to Israelis like you is boycotting. What you and your allies are doing to the Palestinians is blacklisting — and you’d think more Jews in the US would be repulsed from participating in that sort of nasty behavior, considering not long ago Jews were the victims of blacklisting instead of the perpetrators.

      • DBG
        September 24, 2011, 1:09 pm

        Zionists didn’t ban anything. the museum made a decision that they didn’t want to have this art displayed for children visiting the museum. As for this having any comparison to the “irvine11″ you guys are nuts. there is no equivalent.

        Your movement needs to learn that civil disobedience and making an ass out of yourselves whenever you don’t agree with someone will not advance the cause for the Palestinians. All it does is label you ppl as radicals.

      • Hostage
        September 24, 2011, 9:18 pm

        Your movement needs to learn that civil disobedience and making an ass out of yourselves whenever you don’t agree with someone will not advance the cause for the Palestinians.

        If we apply your logic, then every time Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King were arrested for civil disobedience, they only made asses out of themselves and failed to advance their causes.

        Michael Oren makes his living by publicly propagandizing, trivializing, and obscuring war crimes and crimes against humanity directed against these people; members of their families; or members of their ethnic group. He drums-up American financial and political support for the continuation of an administrative occupation regime that the World Court declared illegal and a violation of basic civil, humanitarian, and human rights. The Court also advised that Israel could not justify its illegal actions against the Palestinian people on the grounds of self-defense.

        FYI, Palestinian nationality or origin is a federally protected characteristic under Equal Opportunity and Treatment programs. Why on Earth would a state funded university make its facilities available to a foreign agent who can’t open his mouth without engaging in racial incitement or making true threats against Palestinians? The Supreme Court has ruled that the First Amendment’s right to free speech can be safely limited through the ‘True Threats Doctrine,’ so that the State can regulate speech and behavior which intimidates or causes fear of the directed listener’s life or physical well-being:

        “True threats” encompass those statements where the speaker means to communicate a serious expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals. The speaker need not actually intend to carry out the threat. Rather, a prohibition on true threats “protect[s] individuals from the fear of violence” and “from the disruption that fear engenders,” in addition to protecting people “from the possibility that the threatened violence will occur.” Intimidation in the constitutionally proscribable sense of the word is a type of true threat, where a speaker directs a threat to a person or group of persons with the intent of placing the victim in fear of bodily harm or death

        If you’ve ever listened to Michael Oren reserve Israel’s right to conduct military incursions like Cast Lead and the on-going collective punishment that Israel directs at groups of Palestinians, then you’ve heard someone make a true threat.

      • Shingo
        September 24, 2011, 9:29 pm

        Zionists didn’t ban anything. the museum made a decision that they didn’t want to have this art displayed for children visiting the museum.

        Just like prisoners who make descisions to confess to crimes once the electrodes are attached to their genitals.

        Your movement needs to learn that civil disobedience and making an ass out of yourselves whenever you don’t agree with someone will not advance the cause for the Palestinians. All it does is label you ppl as radicals.

        It was radical who opposed the Iraq war and refuted the claims of WMD. Meanwhile DBG is still looking for those nukes.

      • DBG
        September 25, 2011, 11:25 am

        It was radical who opposed the Iraq war and refuted the claims of WMD. Meanwhile DBG is still looking for those nukes.

        Is that you Chaos? are you going to blame me for that war too?

      • LeaNder
        September 25, 2011, 12:45 pm

        You should read more carefully, DBG.

        It was Shingo and not Chaos. He didn’t blame you for anything, he made a good point about what was considered “radical” during the last decade.

        While you seem to support the suppression of the expression of specific groups, could one call that fascist? From the extreme right many things look radical.

      • DBG
        September 25, 2011, 1:52 pm

        LeaNDer, you obviously don’t follow Chaos4700 much, he blames people for no nukes in Iraq on a daily basis.

        link to mondoweiss.net

        link to mondoweiss.net

        link to mondoweiss.net

      • Shingo
        September 23, 2011, 8:04 pm

        How old are you LLI? 6 years old?

      • eee
        September 23, 2011, 11:14 pm

        Chaos,

        When you tell a store not to carry Israeli brands, you are doing exactly what you say Zionists are doing. You are banning those goods, not allowing anyone to buy them. And if your argument that they can buy them at another store, just have your art exhibit at another museum. Do you want us to believe to no museum in the Bay Area would carry the Gaza exhibit? You cannot find ONE venue?

      • Shingo
        September 23, 2011, 11:42 pm

        You are banning those goods, not allowing anyone to buy them.

        No eee,

        You are confusing boycott (which is voluntary) with sanctions.

        Though I would certainly support sanctions on Israel for flouting UN Resolutions and the Geneva Cobventions.

      • Chaos4700
        September 24, 2011, 1:37 am

        So you’re saying American stores MUST carry Israeli goods? At what? Gunpoint?

        You’re confusing Muse with Mammon, eee, unsurprisingly. Free speech can’t really be applied to goods.

      • DBG
        September 24, 2011, 1:10 pm

        it was a child’s museum, what kinda sick parents would want their 5 year children to see this? talk about trying to brainwash children.

      • Shingo
        September 24, 2011, 8:48 pm

         it was a child’s museum, what kinda sick parents would want their 5 year children to see this? talk about trying to brainwash children.</

        What kind of sick parents would support and celebrate the massacre of 330 children and the carnage that inspired those illustrations in the first place?

        Is it also brainwashing to send children to Poland on tours of the death camps?

      • DBG
        September 24, 2011, 9:57 pm

        Shingo, show me one place where parents supported and celebrated the massacre of 330 children. There was support in Israel of the actions of Caste Lead, but that is quite a bit different than supporting the death of children.

      • Shingo
        September 25, 2011, 12:58 am

        Shingo, show me one place where parents supported and celebrated the massacre of 330 children

        link to youtube.com.

        There was support in Israel of the actions of Caste Lead, but that is quite a bit different than supporting the death of children.

        No, it’s the same thing.

      • tree
        September 25, 2011, 1:33 am

        You missed this one, Shingo.

      • eee
        September 23, 2011, 11:17 pm

        LLI,

        Don’t expect any consistency or logic from these guys. After all they believe that Israel does not have a right to defend itself against rocket attacks from Gaza because we are “colonizers”. They also live in a fantasy world where they believe that actions do not have consequences. They cannot think two steps ahead on anything.

      • Shingo
        September 23, 2011, 11:46 pm

        After all they believe that Israel does not have a right to defend itself against rocket attacks from Gaza because we are “colonizers”. .

        Breaking a ceasefire after 4 months of calm (no rockets) I’d nit self defense.

        They also live in a fantasy world where they believe that actions do not have consequences.

        Rockets and suicide bombing is a consequence of occupation. Do you therefore believe Israel is being unreasonable to complain about them?

      • Shingo
        September 24, 2011, 12:17 am

        Don’t expect any consistency or logic from these guys.

        Yes eee,

        We’ll always take our cues of moral consistency from someone who thinks thjat ethnic cleasing of Palestinians is good, but allowing them to return to their homes is bad.

      • Chaos4700
        September 24, 2011, 1:37 am

        Eee your parents and/or grandparents were from EUROPE. You are colonizers.

      • longliveisrael
        September 24, 2011, 2:46 am

        Right Chaos, and your family I assume arrived on the Mayflower to a land without people.

      • justicewillprevail
        September 24, 2011, 4:34 am

        SFX: “sound of barrel being scraped”

      • Chaos4700
        September 25, 2011, 2:04 am

        I assume you’re not referring to my Native American uncle and cousins, LLI? (Although in all fairness I don’t have direct blood relation to him.)

        Yes, the United States was a colonist state, but my parents were refugees. My direct ancestors didn’t pick up guns and force families out of their homes at gun point. The fled Germany when it was Catholics who were being persecuted instead of Jews.

        The same can’t be said for your militant grandparents.

      • DBG
        September 25, 2011, 2:25 pm

        your parents were refugees Chaos? are you sure? do you know what a refugee is? where were they refugees from?

      • longliveisrael
        September 25, 2011, 7:28 pm

        Yes, my militant extended family that ended up in Auschwitz, I guess because they were militant colonizers.

      • Hostage
        September 25, 2011, 11:35 pm

        Yes, my militant extended family that ended up in Auschwitz, I guess because they were militant colonizers.

        The militant Zionist colonizers despised the members of the European diaspora that refused to emigrate to Palestine. The deaths of many people in Auschwitz was directly attributable to German colonialism. Many other countries or great powers had employed “concentration camps”, including Great Britain and Spain. That’s why Article 49(6) of the 4th Geneva Convention was adopted a few years later “to prevent a practice adopted during the Second World War by certain Powers, which transferred portions of their own population to occupied territory for political and racial reasons or in order, as they claimed, to colonize those territories. Such transfers worsened the economic situation of the native population and endangered their separate existence as a race.”
        link to icrc.org

  13. piotr
    September 23, 2011, 6:36 pm

    HISTORICAL PROOF of SIMILAR PROTEST (not prosecuted nor disciplined):

    (1) College Republicans interrupted Muslim speaker Amir Abdel Malik at UCI. The protest was so overwhelming that the UCI’s College Republicans literally shut the speaker down.

    Clearly, this sauce is good only for the goose.

    • DBG
      September 25, 2011, 2:25 pm

      I watched the video of that piotr, ARE YOU KIDDING!

  14. Kathleen
    September 23, 2011, 6:37 pm

    Ok and tonight Chris Matthews had Micheal Oren on to not discuss but to use Hardball as an outlet for more Israeli propaganda.

    When the clip of the interview comes up there will be no questions as to whose ass Chris Matthews nose is up.

    I just put this up at his blog
    “How bad was Chris Matthews morally disastrous interview with Israeli Ambassador Micheal Oren?

    Chris I have not ever witnessed such a quickie. During that interview you bent over to illegal Israeli policies said your pledge of allegiance to Israel rolled over and literally teabagged Israeli ambassador Micheal Oren. All in ten minutes.

    Tonight you were a discredit to your alleged career, your country (this is a national security issue for the US) and to your alleged faith. Clearly you have completely sold out to the All mighty dollar.

    You not only did not ask any hardball questions you demonstrated that you have no balls. Not one challenging question. Even a softball. You could have asked about settlements. You did not need to honor international findings or the UN that the settlements are ILLEGAL chris ILLEGAL. Then you kissed Netanyahu’s signet ring and said it could be done in “10 years” “the right way”

    • Kathleen
      September 23, 2011, 6:57 pm

      Defending Israel
      here is the clip of Chris teabagging Micheal Oren
      link to msnbc.msn.com

      Look at the picture they have up in that clip. Abbas with words below “defending Israel”

      Who is charge of his graphics? Creepy

      • annie
        September 23, 2011, 7:08 pm

        you totally crack me. once.. but twice! i love it.

        ;)

      • Kathleen
        September 23, 2011, 7:19 pm

        I had a tiny bit of hope in CM. Not now. Until he has Noura Erakat, or someone else on to voice the Palestinian view and a few facts..Chris can rot in his own waste for all I care. Will not stand up for that ass kissing pledge of allegiance to Israel devotee again until he does his f—ing job.

      • annie
        September 23, 2011, 7:38 pm

        i just watched a bit of your link. i gave up tv news a while ago. if you can even call that ‘news’. just the dumbing down of america.

      • Kathleen
        September 23, 2011, 7:57 pm

        You have to watch to know just how bad it is. Hope you stiffen up your lip and watch the whole thing

      • Donald
        September 24, 2011, 12:09 am

        “I had a tiny bit of hope in CM”

        I’ve never understood why Phil seemed so fixated on getting Chris on his side. Matthews is a bootlicker–when Bush was riding high good old Chris praised him to the skies. When Bush’s stock plummeted then CM turned against him. He’s not going to join the Palestinians unless the American political elite all becomes pro-Palestinian.

      • Kathleen
        September 24, 2011, 2:55 pm

        You are wrong about the Bush boot licking. I have been watching CM for years. In the run up to the invasion CM was harder on the WMD thugs than other MSMers. Not saying much but actually asked a few challenging questions. Did not have Seymour Hersh, El Baradei, Scott Ritter etc on. Did not go nearly far enough.

        And he has been pounding on Cheney for years…even before the invasion

      • Kathleen
        September 24, 2011, 2:56 pm

        At least pretend that you are fair for heavens sake. Have Noura Erakat, Barghouti someone who can share another perspective and the facts

      • Donald
        September 25, 2011, 1:27 pm

        “You are wrong about the Bush boot licking. I have been watching CM for years. In the run up to the invasion CM was harder on the WMD thugs than other MSMers. Not saying much but actually asked a few challenging questions.”

        That’s not exactly a refutation. A few challenging questions? Gosh.

        If I had time I’d try to dig up his reaction to Bush when he landed on the aircraft carrier. It was a legendary piece of bootlicking.

        Turns out it took 20 seconds.

        link

  15. Oscar
    September 23, 2011, 7:00 pm

    This is a reprehensible decision that needs to be appealed by the ACLU or some other group concerned about American civil liberties. While the Zionists and the neo-cons are clinking champagne glasses over this “victory,” that dumbed-down California jury just eroded the First Amendment for Americans everywhere.

    Obviously, the judge recognized the stupidity of the brain-addled and possibly racist jury and gave no jail time to the students. Still . . . Needs to be reversed! Tony Ruckashas should hang his head in shame for bowing to political pressures and bringing this dangerous case forward.

  16. Chaos4700
    September 23, 2011, 7:14 pm

    The Irvine 11 meet the Twelve Angry Men.

  17. btbLondon
    September 23, 2011, 7:21 pm

    Here in the UK 4 musicians lose their livelihoods for pointing out the Israel Phils links with the occupation; in California 11 students gets their live wrecked for protesting about a supporter of apartheid on their campus; in France BDS supporters get dragged through the courts (and, for context, in Georgia they engage in state murder).

    But none of this will stop us. These are acts of desperation, scorched earth policy, for a repressive state losing ground day by day because of the steadfastness of the internal opposition and the forthrightness of their supporters worldwide – despite the support of a former super-power.

    Even if Open spoke uninterrupted for 40 days and 40 nights the criminal regime he represents would still collapse – but if we let him speak for even 40 minutes we would be showing our complicity in land theft, ethnic cleansing and state murder.

    • Kathleen
      September 23, 2011, 7:56 pm

      Contact Democracy Now…they might interview you. You never know

    • southernobserver
      September 24, 2011, 2:36 am

      and down south, in Australia protesters against Max Brenner are “kettled”, roughed up by policy while holding a legal and both peaceful and honestly nondisruptive protest, charged with illegal assembly. Now there is a great catch 22. They were investigated for an illegal secondary boycott, which would have been very very expensive, but got off on the grounds that it wasn’t sufficiently effective to cause economic loss.

      Now there is a faint judgment. Democracy? Only if you are on the governments side.

    • annie
      September 24, 2011, 3:03 am

      But none of this will stop us. These are acts of desperation, scorched earth policy, for a repressive state losing ground day by day because of the steadfastness of the internal opposition and the forthrightness of their supporters worldwide

      i know, we just have to keep going and not be afraid. we can do it, we have truth on our side and the global community.

  18. eGuard
    September 23, 2011, 7:22 pm

    And the timing of the verdict: today, so it would be in the shadow of other, predicted, bigger news.

  19. ToivoS
    September 24, 2011, 12:44 am

    Based on this update it does seem that the local judge in this case is aware of the injustice of this conviction. It does show that there are many people in America that do have a sense of fairness (and I am continually amazed that there have been so many individual jurists that are willing to oppose the latest hysteria). It does not change an underlying fact that the prosecutors at the federal and local level are still infected with Islamophobia and are in the position to cause terrible harm to individuals that try to resist.

    • annie
      September 24, 2011, 12:51 am

      It does not change an underlying fact that the prosecutors at the federal and local level are still infected with Islamophobia

      not necessarily. they merely could have been infected with over zealous zionist constituents. or outsiders willing to make generous contributions to some local projects.

  20. MRW
    September 24, 2011, 1:49 am

    JVP asks:

    Our young Jewish members engaged in a nearly identical protest of Israeli policies-only the venue was larger and the target was the Prime Minister of Israel, Bibi Netanyahu. They were let off without even a mark. Their Muslim peers were tried and criminalized. What does this say about America today?

    It says that Zionism can cost non-Jewish Americans their civil rights, and can interfere with their constitutional rights.

    It also means that the Zionists who intimidated the school officials and courts to make this happen are jack-booted thugs.

  21. Proton Soup
    September 24, 2011, 5:15 am

    this is beautiful, absolutely beautiful. i went round and round with some dip elsewhere about how this was not in their interest to pursue charges against these students, and now… now in glorious fashion it has blown back in their faces at the most inopportune time.

    what does this verdict speak to those who see it? that zionists hate freedom of speech, and by extension, everything this nation stands for.

  22. yourstruly
    September 24, 2011, 4:59 pm

    since zionism is racist

    zionists are racists

    & so-called liberal zionists?

    racists by default

    for condoning racist practices by the zionist apartheid entity?

    for insisting on the possibility of a kinder and more gentle zionism

  23. Mooser
    September 25, 2011, 2:33 pm

    “A guilty verdict, the defense had said during the trial, could chill student activism and the free exchange of ideas at colleges nationwide.”

    Shouldn’t be too much of a problem getting the verdict reversed on appeal. Basis of inadequate representation. I wonder if the judge visibly salivated or cried “Hot puppies, well I guess you jury members know what you need to do now, huh?” when he heard that.
    “could chill student activism and the free exchange of ideas at colleges nationwide.” Wow, their fondest dream, and they can help make it come true!

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