Netanyahu planning end-zone dance in Brooklyn’s new Republican district

Israel/Palestine
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The Guardian has a piece on the Israel lobby pressuring Obama. Ends like this:

Netanyahu will be in New York next week for the opening of the UN general assembly and to try to mobilise opposition to a Palestinian state. He plans to take a side trip to congratulate the Republican winner of the election in the congressional district where Obama’s Israel policy cost the Democrats dearly.

28 Responses

  1. mudder
    September 18, 2011, 12:05 pm

    Phil, I sincerely hope you’re right about Obama biding his time (rope-a-dope per Muhammad Ali, let’s hope) until after election day to stand up to Netanyahu. Even so, it may be too late then. But the political realist in me accepts that I will vote for him in Nov 2012–the abyss of Perry and Bachmann is too deep to consider otherwise.

    • mudder
      September 18, 2011, 12:19 pm

      Alll–Please chime in on Tom Friedman’s NYT article today. It’s open for comments.

      • mudder
        September 18, 2011, 3:14 pm

        No need to comment now on Tom Friedman’s post. The comment most recommended by readers is this one by Tom from Chicago:

        Israel is no friend to the United States. It is our unqualified support of them that has garnered nothing but justifiable hatred and disgust from a very large chunk of the world’s population. It exposes our double-standards toward freedom and justice and makes hypocrites of us all. I’m sick of having my hard-earned tax dollars be sent to Israel so they can slaughter children and steal land that everyone, including the US government, agrees isn’t theirs. Enough is enough!

    • pabelmont
      September 18, 2011, 12:52 pm

      But Obama had the chance to deal with Israel after his initial election as president. And muffed it. Why should we think he’ll be willing to engage with The Lobby this time (say on the day after the election is decided)? He’ll have time, true, but not much, with next Congressional elections only two years off. (Course Rahm’s gone now, and Obama’s better educated, put politics does have its rules.)

      • mudder
        September 18, 2011, 1:06 pm

        “Why should we think he’ll be willing to engage with The Lobby this time?” Indeed. It’s a purely speculative position. But one doesn’t need to speculate how Perry or Bachmann will engage with the Lobby. The idealist in me would like to vote third party in 2012, but my realist half remembers the 2000 election too well for that. If one of the two parties is running away with the 2012 election, I’ll vote my conscience.

    • Sand
      September 18, 2011, 1:49 pm

      “…Phil, I sincerely hope you’re right about Obama biding his time (rope-a-dope per Muhammad Ali, let’s hope) until after election day to stand up to Netanyahu…”

      Not while the Democratic Party establishment is firmly in the hands of the I-Lobby, who is actively working AGAINST Obama when it comes to the United States’ ME policy — This includes the DNC (Debbie Wasserman-Schultz “..helped to form the National Jewish Democratic Council [AIPAC’s watchdog in the Democratic Party] and served on the regional board of the American Jewish Congress…”), DCCC (Steve Israel – ex-American Jewish Congress, also remembering this is the guy that put a skewer in Chas Freeman’s chances of joining the Administration), DSCC (Patty Murray [Ha!]/(Chuck Schumer a bloody mine-field [Chairman, Democratic Policy Committee]), and even prominent members of Obama’s 2012 campaign management team!

      “Dream on” as the saying goes.

      The Democratic Party’s main priority has become all about protecting and paying for Israel, Israel, Israel — nothing more. Money and re-election comes before jobs and health-care.

      The Democrats knew there was a brewing problem with the Jewish political community within the Democratic Party — and now Levy et. al can’t hide it under the carpet any more.

      The Democrats take:
      NJDC Leaders Meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
      link to njdc.org

      The Republicans take:
      Brooks to DNC Chair: Support for Israel is a Legitimate Topic for Debate
      link to rjchq.org

      • mudder
        September 18, 2011, 2:29 pm

        Clearly if Obama stands up to Netanyahu after election day, he’ll be standing up too to his own Democratic Party–a society of Gollums craving their precious reelections. He’ll be a lame duck fortunately, a circumstance which could provide support to his conscience, if he has one.

      • Sand
        September 18, 2011, 3:22 pm

        I’ve been waiting for that conscience to kick in — but sadly I don’t think it’s there — or he’s being threatened in some way.

    • Potsherd2
      September 18, 2011, 3:00 pm

      The political sucker in you is playing Obama’s game.

  2. chet
    September 18, 2011, 12:56 pm

    Pile it on in Brooklyn, Netanyahoo – the more he spits in Pres. Obama’s face, the more I am confident he will be made to pay after Nov. 2012.

    • mudder
      September 18, 2011, 2:59 pm

      Let’s hope so. He’s a realist voter’s only chance. (Don’t get me going about kill-the-Fed Ron Paul. The Fed rescued my state’s economy here in Michigan three years ago, while the Tea Party cried, “let ‘em die!” Come to think of it, “Let ‘em die!” would be an appropriate slogan for the Tea Party.)

      • Chaos4700
        September 18, 2011, 3:54 pm

        The Fed did jack shit for you, mudder, it was the US Treasury that took on the financial burdens.

    • lysias
      September 18, 2011, 3:07 pm

      If Obama loses in Nov. 2012, the time between the election and Obama’s leaving office will be very short indeed.

    • Abierno
      September 18, 2011, 4:47 pm

      Also – consider that Netanyahu is also underscoring and amplifying
      the perception that not only national but local politics are directed/
      manipulated on the basis of what’s good for Israel, not the US. Also the perception that Israel can reach into a local election and through funding, organized “boiler room calling” and propoganda strongly influence the outcome. This behavior coupled with lawfare (or threatened lawfare) against food co-ops (e.g. Olympia, Wash., Sacramento), art galleries (e.g. Oakland), educational institutions (e.g. Dr. William Robinson, UC Santa Barbara) makes clear the pressures brought to bear not only in US politics but also in everyday life. Some opine that the Israeli doctrine of disproportunate force is applied in these arenas as well as well as on the battlefields with Lebanon and Gaza.
      Such pressures bring home to the common person in the street, that his/her elected representatives, his/her town, his/her education, his/her grocery store and his/her leisure activities can be negatively affected. At some point in all of this, irrespective of the silence of the mainstream media, these common people will “wise up” and cease voting against his interests. Is this one of the reasons that powerful Republican PACs are intensively pursuing vote caging?

    • MRW
      September 18, 2011, 8:28 pm

      chet,

      No truer words. But he’s going to pay big-time right now, because Netanyahu is really politically ignorant of what a PR trip to Brooklyn is going to cost him. Not to Israelis. Not to Obama. But with regular Americans, who no matter what, are still patriotic.

      Here’s why, and it’s nothing his daddy knows or can pick up (with apologies to mudder too, but consider the theatre;-)):

      Here’s a foreign leader, a statesman presumably, a world leader, arriving in the US to speak at the UN, who then, remarkably, is going to travel across the river and get involved with local politics by praising and pumping up a winner in a party that opposes the President of the United States of America. But. But. He’s also the guy responsible, in regular American eyes now, for prolonging the condition that caused 9/11.

      This isn’t May, 2011. This isn’t Boehner or Congress inviting him to talk.

      This is September 2011. This is Netanyahu is doing this on his own. Sticking his dick into local politics as if he were POTUS.

      They just had that TELEVISED debate in Florida.

      Ron Paul rocked the boat. He said this

      “Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda have been explicit,” he said, as boos erupted from the audience. “They have been explicit and they wrote and said that ‘we attacked America because you had bases on our holy land in Saudi Arabia, you do not give Palestinians a fair treatment …’ ”

      As the booing grew louder, Paul said, “I didn’t say that. I’m trying to get you to understand what the motive was behind the bombing.”

      “At the same time, we have been bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for ten years,” Paul concluded as his time ran out. “Would you be annoyed? If you’re not annoyed then there’s some problem.

      If I were in NYC, I’d arrange a ticker-tape parade to take Netanyahu to Brooklyn.

      • LeaNder
        September 19, 2011, 8:54 am

        If I were in NYC, I’d arrange a ticker-tape parade to take Netanyahu to Brooklyn.

        there should be some kind of event that makes sure it can’t be buried by mainstream media. … Ticker-tape parade sounds good. …

  3. Sand
    September 18, 2011, 12:58 pm

    From the Guardian article:

    David Levy (on J-Street’s Advisory Council): “…But the political perception is that if an issue can cost you with a **very small pool of voters** concentrated in certain states, like Florida (a critical swing state in presidential elections), you try and neutralise it from doing you harm. And this issue is doing Obama harm.”

    I don’t know if just using the words “very small” categorizes who they are! Also, it’s most definitely not just Florida — it’s New York [ATM Central], California and even Pennsylvania.

    Also, M J Rosenberg is on to the likes of “…Ghaith Al-Omari, a former adviser to the Palestinian leadership and peace negotiating team who now lives in Washington, agrees…”(just like J-Street that the UN just happens not to be a suitable venue for the Palestinians to seek justice)

    Ghaitha Al-Omari with the ‘American Task Force For Palestine’ ATFP.

    “…Instead of challenging the lobby, ATFP started courting it, as if its goal of acceptance by policymakers required ingratiating itself with its adversaries.

    ATFP initially only engaged in dialogue with Jewish groups that support the two-state solution and are sympathetic to Palestinian rights. But in the past several years, it has branched out to build one-sided relations (one-sided because these groups maintain their hard line on matters relating to Israel) with organizations like AIPAC, the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, the American Jewish Committee and, shamefully, the far-right Israel Project. (Here is a statement by the ATFP defending its relations with those organizations.)…”

    link to politicalcorrection.org

    Good one M J Rosenberg!

    • mudder
      September 18, 2011, 1:36 pm

      In the last few presidential elections, Michigan has been a swing state. Nevertheless Rep. John Dingell, who represents the congressional district that includes Dearborn, posted on his web site this year, “I have proudly supported more than $300 billion dollars in aid for the State of Israel.” Nevermind the ridiculousness of his assertion–an extra zero perhaps?–but how can anyone but think that our political system is so compromised by funding considerations that the elected congressman of Dearborn boasts of his support for aid to [the apartheid regime of] Israel. I can guarantee you the residents of Dearborn must be appalled with this. Swings state or not, funding of political campaigns trumps all policies.

      “[the apartheid regime of]” is my own commentary, of course.

      • Potsherd2
        September 18, 2011, 3:04 pm

        What do the voters of Dearborn have to say about that $300 billion?

        How can any politician succeed by campaigning on a record of giving away the voters’ money to a foreign state? Particularly in this economic climate.

        When is someone going to compaign on a platform of keeping the taxpayers’ money at home, to benefit them instead of some other country?

      • mudder
        September 18, 2011, 3:35 pm

        Here is an angry blog post from a Dearborn resident. link to dearbornboycottsisrael.blogspot.com

      • Potsherd2
        September 18, 2011, 9:04 pm

        I guess his words are supposed to speak for themselves.

      • MRW
        September 19, 2011, 5:59 am

        That’s a pretty amazing blog post. It’s an indictment.

        The value of $300 billion over 50 years is that we gave them $5.5 TRILLION at 6% interest compounded annually.

        $5.5 trillion

        We would not be in debt toady.

      • Shmuel
        September 19, 2011, 6:56 am

        MRW,

        You’re on a roll with these slips :-)

        First “2.5 tears” (instead of years), and now “We would not be in debt toady”.

      • MRW
        September 19, 2011, 9:30 am

        Shmuel,

        Believe it or not, the ‘roll’ is forgetting to turn off TextExpander when I restart this machine. I haven’t taken the time to figure out which snippet collection is doing this, but I have literally typed a word with one hand only—to check it—to have it turn into something else completely.

        TextExpander will turn ddate into today’s date, for example, or expand any other abbreviation into a word, phrase or five pages. But I downloaded some free snippet collections and I don’t know what the hell they’re doing or what is going on now.

        But they are interesting slips. ;-)

  4. hophmi
    September 18, 2011, 7:59 pm

    An anti-Israel article by Chris Mcgreal. Big surprise.

    • Shingo
      September 18, 2011, 8:35 pm

      No argument of substance to offer by Hophmi. Just pathetic cat calling from the bleechers.

      Big surprise.

  5. RoHa
    September 18, 2011, 9:29 pm

    ” Ambassador Daniel Shapiro clarified what drives US policies:

    “The test of every policy the Administration develops in the Middle East is whether it is consistent with the goal of ensuring Israel’s future as a secure, Jewish, democratic state. That is a commitment that runs as a common thread through our entire government.”

    There it is. Laid out plain and simple. “Good for Israel?” is the test. The USA can go hang.

    link to antiwar.com

  6. ToivoS
    September 18, 2011, 10:45 pm

    In 1964 (or was it 65) when President Johnson signed the civil rights legislation he commented to his aids there goes the southern vote. He was so correct. White southerners shifted en mass into the Republican Party. Johnson knew he was doing the right thing but he also knew there would a political price. It was painful for the Democratic Party but there are no Democrats that I know who despair that all of those racists jumped ship.

    Maybe this loss of NY 9th congressional seat followed by Netanhayu’s victory dance could elicit a similar response. Fellow Democrats, it is time to accept that racist Zionist policies do not represent our principles. It is time to let them jump to the racist Republican Party — they will accept you with open arms just like they did when the Jim Crow Democrats became Republicans. There will be a serious loss of votes and funds. But if the Democrats made that switch, they would very likely gain even more support from many disaffected progressives who continue to sit on the sidelines because of their disgust at current Democratic Party pandering to racist Zionist ideology.

    I know for a fact that there are many high level Democratic Party players and electeds that are getting really angry with the party’s proIsrael policies. I think a Netanyahu victory dance in the NY 9th will go a long way in stoking that anger even more.

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