Tens of thousands of Egyptians protest Israeli embassy; destroy flag and protective barrier

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Yesterday Egyptian protesters in the tens of thousands broke down the concrete barrier protecting the Israeli embassy in Cairo with hammers and their bare hands.  Egyptian activists were repulsed by the wall which reminded them of the apartheid wall in Palestine and felt doubly insulted that a wall was erected to protect Israelis inside of Egypt after Egyptians had just been killed in the weeks prior by the Israeli military.  Though embassy officials said no one made it into the actual embassy, Egyptian activist Gigi Ibrahim was interviewing people outside of the building that had indeed made it into the embassy. 

Many documents were taken and are being posted on the internet now, some can be seen here as well as other pictures from the events as they unfolded yesterday.  The Israeli ambassador, his family and staff fled back to Tel Aviv in a private jet and Obama and Netanyahu spoke immediately to voice mutual concern to each other.  The U.S. which closed it eyes to Operation Cast Lead and the flotilla massacre which resulted in the death of an American citizen had the audacity to remind Egypt of its responsibility under international law to protect the concrete building from activists.  When the missive came from Washington that Israeli property in Egypt is more important than Egyptian lives, the Supreme Council of Armed Forces responded by injuring close to a thousand activists and arresting a few hundred and promising to immediately try them in their draconian court military courts.

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Pictures via occupied Palestine

Egypt’s protesters break into Israeli embassy in Cairo and toss confidential documents
Dozens of protesters broke into the Israeli Embassy in Cairo on Friday and dumped hundreds of documents out of the windows, Egyptian and Israeli officials said. Hundreds of protesters had been converging on the embassy throughout the afternoon and into the night, tearing down large sections of a security wall outside the 21-story building housing the embassy, according to The Associated Press. Protestors tossed thousands of pages of documents into the jubilant crowd, an AFP journalist saw.

Israel pulls envoy after embassy attack
Israeli diplomats evacuated from Cairo after Egyptian commandos reportedly rescued them as protesters stormed embassy.

Egypt cabinet calls emergency meeting after attack on Israeli embassy
Cairo raises national alertness level in wake of a mass protest outside Israel’s Cairo embassy, which resulted in protesters breaking into the building as well as the evacuation of dozens of Israelis.

Embassy attack a wake-up call for Israel, Marwan Bishara
Israel has clearly not grasped that Turkey and Egypt in 2011 are nothing like they were a decade or even a year ago.

Saudi (and Qatari) media and the storming of the Israeli occupation embassy, As’ad Abukhalil
Saudi and Qatari media were clearly taken aback with what happened in Cairo yesterday.  It was as if the Counter-Revolution was hit in the face.  The unexpected–for them and their fellow Zionist sponsors–happened.  It was supposed to be about Syria on Friday, and only about Syria.  AlJazeera ignored the story for hours, while Al-Arabiyya (the news station of King Fahd’s brother-in-law) was reporting on its website that only “tens” of protesters were outside the embassy, and they showed a picture of an empty place with dispersed protesters.  I told an Egyptian protesters of the estimate of “tens” that was promoted in Saudi media, and she was indignant and she told me (after consulting with fellow protesters) that the number was close to 10,000.  Aljazeera and Al-Arabiyya later had to provide extensive live coverage, but Aljazeera’s chief correspondent in Cairo (who I never liked) was so blatantly hostile to the protesters and was clearly doing the propaganda work for the Military Council.  Lebanon’s MTV’s incompetent correspondent in Cairo wondered on the air what the protesters wanted when the “goals of the revolution have been achieved”–kid you not.  Egyptian regime TV was more amusing: it invited a few figures who have a long role of opposition to Israel in order to denounce the storming of the embassy.  And Egyptian liberals (how marginal liberals are in a time of revolution) were quick to reassure the White Man that they “too” are civilized.  As for the Arab cyber-street? It was on fire, almost literally. 

111 Responses

  1. James
    September 10, 2011, 12:29 pm

    quote from senior political analyst from al jazeera “Washington has reacted swiftly and angrily to the attack on the Israeli embassy in Cairo.

    But its mild reactions to the Israeli attacks on the Egyptian border and the Turkish flotilla have invoked accusations of diplomatic double standards. In the process, the outcry has weakened Washington’s leverage in the region.”

    link to english.aljazeera.net

  2. Kathleen
    September 10, 2011, 12:38 pm

    “BARBARA SUDE: I’m Barbara Sude. I’m a former analyst from the Central Intelligence Agency, and I currently work at the Rand Corporation.

    TEMPLE-RASTON: Barbara Sude was tracking al-Qaida for the spy agency for two decades, long before the group became the brightest dot on the U.S. radar screen. So she’s uniquely positioned to say how today’s al-Qaida is different from the one that attacked the U.S. 10 years ago. And she doesn’t see a defeated organization.

    SUDE: It’s become much more adaptable. It’s learned to live with moving around to different locations. They are taking people from other nationalities. They’ve got a lot of Europeans and have U.S. people also working for them, more than in the past. So I think there’s something going for them in that direction. ”

    I have always wondered if part of the Obama’s strategy after Israel kicked Biden, Obama etc in the cajones when that administration has brought up how the continued expansion of illegal settlements and illegal housing in E Jerusalem is terribly destructive to any potential peace talks was to support the overthrow of dictators who have protected the Israeli government from facing any accountability for ignoring international agreements etc

    • Kathleen
      September 10, 2011, 6:39 pm

      Did not mean to link that NPR interview with my comment. Oops

  3. Kathleen
    September 10, 2011, 12:40 pm

    I sure hope this does not turn to real violence. Peaceful peaceful.

    During the Arab Spring uprising in Egypt Richard Engel and others kept reporting how they were not seeing any anti Israel signs or hearing any anti Israel slogans. Kept thinking we know this exist and folks were keeping this anger below the surface

    • MHughes976
      September 10, 2011, 2:18 pm

      I agree with every aspect of Kathleen’s comment.

    • Antidote
      September 10, 2011, 2:28 pm

      “I sure hope this does not turn to real violence.”

      It already did. More than a 1000 protestors were injured, and there have been casualties.

      • ToivoS
        September 10, 2011, 9:55 pm

        Nitpick correction, 1000 injured are 1000 casualties. Actually injured and casualties are not necessarily the same, in military terms casualties are the injured that are not fit to return to the immediate battle. There have been three people killed in the recent operation.

      • Antidote
        September 10, 2011, 11:00 pm

        “There have been three people killed in the recent operation.”

        That’s how I understood it, too, and I never meant to imply that were a thousand casualties

  4. Kathleen
    September 10, 2011, 12:43 pm

    Up over at Huff Po but promoting Netanyahu’s perspective
    link to huffingtonpost.com
    CAIRO — The storming of the Israeli embassy by a mob of Egyptian protesters inflicted a “severe injury to the fabric of peace” between the two countries, Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned on Saturday, as both sides’ leadership tried to contain the worst crisis in ties since their 1979 peace treaty.

    The ambassador and the entire embassy staff except for one deputy ambassador were evacuated from Egypt along with their families in the face of the overnight rampage at the Nile-side embassy in Cairo, when hundreds of protesters tore down a concrete security wall outside the building, set fires in the street and dozens broke into an office of the embassy tossing documents off the balcony to the crowd below.

    The rioting – which Egyptian police did little to control for hours – enflamed already growing tensions between the two Mideast neighbors, seven months after the ouster of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a close ally of Israel.

    • Eva Smagacz
      September 10, 2011, 1:03 pm

      Oh so it was rioting that inflamed the tension ;-0?
      Just came like bolt out of the blue, did it?

      • James
        September 10, 2011, 7:50 pm

        it would be nice however unrealistic, if people were to forget about these lousy propaganda sites hufo and dailykos, but alas many seem regularly fixated on them…

    • Chaos4700
      September 10, 2011, 1:49 pm

      Right. Storming the embassy and having no Israelis injured is “severe injury to the fabric of peace.”

      Israel killing Egyptian police over in Egyptian territory? We’re supposed to ignore that because Israel never breaks cease fires, right?

  5. Avi
    September 10, 2011, 1:31 pm

    From Al-Jazeera TV: Among the papers recovered from the embassy were documents that proved Azzam Azzam — the Israeli jailed in Egypt on charges of espionage and later released in a deal between Mubarak and the Shin Bet — was indeed working for Israeli intelligence at the time of his arrest in 1996.

    Since yesterday, speaking on behalf of Israel, Obama has been talking to (threatening?) Egypt to control the protestors.

    The Israeli press has already compared yesterday’s events to the taking of the US embassy in Teheran in 1979.

    Ha-Aretz notes that relations between Israel and Egypt quote, “Will never be the same”.

    Meanwhile, Israeli press reports reveal that in a recent meeting, Erdogan asked Obama about the Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara. According to Ha-Aretz, Erdogan asked Obama if he knew that one of those murdered was an American citizen and whether he cared at all. The report claims that Obama did not respond.

    • annie
      September 10, 2011, 2:32 pm

      Erdogan asked Obama if he knew that one of those murdered was an American citizen and whether he cared at all.

      amazing. erdogan blows me away he’s so upfront.

      avi, i was wondering where you were. i’m so glad to see you.

      • Chaos4700
        September 11, 2011, 2:14 am

        Me too. I’m glad you’re still here, Avi.

    • Antidote
      September 10, 2011, 3:43 pm

      “According to Ha-Aretz, Erdogan asked Obama if he knew that one of those murdered was an American citizen and whether he cared at all. The report claims that Obama did not respond.”

      Not quite, avi (but glad to hear from you again)

      “I asked President Obama whether the reason he showed no interest in one of his nationals being killed was because [the victim] was [ethnically] Turkish – he didn’t reply,” said Erdogan.

      link to haaretz.com

      What could Obama have said in reply? Ok, I’ll try:

      “Oh, c’mon, Erdogan, you know better than that, give me a break. You’re just saying that to score points with your people who feel angry and humiliated, and understandably so. As if I or any of my predecessors had ever issued a strong condemnation of Israel killing any US citizens, be they black, brown or white, Christian, Muslim or Jew, soldier, terrorist or peace activist. I can’t think of any such official protest, with or without serious consequences, can you?”

  6. Taxi
    September 10, 2011, 1:38 pm

    Last week the Turkish government gave the israeli ambassador 36 hours to pack a suitcase. This week the Egyptian PEOPLE literary with their own hands expelled the israeli ambassador and all his staff (leaving all zionist spies and agitators behind of course).

    The Egyptian protestors were demolishing the Tantawi wall that protects the embassy and chanting: “This is just the beginning”.

    The message is loud and clear.

    • Walid
      September 10, 2011, 4:53 pm

      “…leaving all zionist spies and agitators behind of course.”

      No they didn’t leave the spies behind; remember that Ambassador Itzhak Livanon that made a quick exit with his family, is from a family of spies. His mother is the famous spy and Israel’s first Madam and heroine, Shirley Cohen, that ran a female spy ring out of her Beirut bar in the 50s. His family name tells you where he was born.

      It’s interesting that the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafists that have been under America’s protective wing since the fall of Mubarak refused to participate in Friday’s anti-Israel demonstration. They had also refused to join the Nakba Day Israeli embassy demonstration and had told their people to stay away from it. Between the military that’s been in power for 55 years, the Brothers and the Salafists now all on the same team, the Egyptian masses are in a worse shit than they were with Mubarak. The State Department had the Brotherhood’s political party accredited without hassle by the Egyptian military Council after it had been outlawed for about 50 years so from now on, it will be forever grateful to the US and friends of the US. Maybe this is why they did not join the embassy protests.

      • annie
        September 10, 2011, 5:05 pm

        i’m finding all this very confusing.

      • Walid
        September 10, 2011, 5:25 pm

        “i’m finding all this very confusing.”

        Annie, I think it was you that dug up all the stuff on Libya’s current “new” leader a couple of weeks back on how he had been the top terrorist dog in Afghanistan when the US jailed him and shipped hm over to Gadaffi to lock him him up. Same US turnaround thing happened with the Brotherhood and Salafists in Egypt and the current rumble in Syria with the Salafists there. US always bets on the wrong horse. Now it’s in bed with those it claims it’s fighting. The Mujahideen/Taliban lesson is already forgotten.

      • annie
        September 10, 2011, 5:38 pm

        thanks walid. sometimes i get all my salafists mixed up. they wouldn’t happen to be the same ones that just attacked a bus in israel now would they? have you read British colonial strategy and the 9/11 blowback by Nu’man Abd al-Wahid on the front page right now? it’s a really good.

      • Walid
        September 10, 2011, 6:33 pm

        Annie, it could have been a renegade group of Egyptian fundies like it could have been an Israeli false flag operation which wouldn’t surprise anyone. We’ll probably never know and as far as Israel is concerned, it probably doesn’t give a damn who did it.

        Great essay by Nu’man, Annie, and easy to understand for those that would want to know a bit more about the fundies and how they started out. From the conclusion on how the Americans inherited from the British the art of capitalizing on the Muslims’ faith, financing them, turning them into fighting zombies and so on, you can fast-forward to Israel that tried to duplicate it with Hamas that it nurtured to neutralize Arafat’s Fateh. And as the Muslim fundies eventually turned and will again turn on the Americans, Hamas did likewise on Israel.

      • piotr
        September 10, 2011, 9:04 pm

        Dependent on the region etc., “salafist” is more polite and “wahhabi” less polite or vice versa. Taliban and al-Qaeda are salafist, but Saudi rulers are also salafist. It is like “Lutherans” and “Baptists”. In Egypt apparently there is a salafist party, perhaps they have “official Saudi” support.

        IMHO, Brotherhood learned the lesson from Algeria: before you get power, speak very softly.

      • American
        September 11, 2011, 2:55 am

        “IMHO, Brotherhood learned the lesson from Algeria: before you get power, speak very softly”

        That is exactly what is going on. The Muslim Brotherhood is not under the ‘protection” of the US …all the US has done is have the State Department ‘recognize’ the Brotherhood as a political party in Egypt. …..which is the US keeping a finger in each Egyptian pie.
        Arab newspapers say however that the younger element in the Brotherhood is more aligned with populist Egyptian revolutionaries.

      • ddi
        September 11, 2011, 8:28 am

        Salafi party holds Egyptian govt responsible for Israeli Embassy unrest

        link to almasryalyoum.com

    • Kathleen
      September 10, 2011, 6:46 pm

      Great interviews with Erdogan
      link to charlierose.com
      link to youtube.com

      Erdogan on the Gaza

  7. MHughes976
    September 10, 2011, 2:24 pm

    I’m not sure that Israel ever had a relationship with Egypt, only with a regime in Egypt.
    Nice to have you back, Avi.

  8. Les
    September 10, 2011, 2:31 pm

    Few of the reports pointed out that this was done by secularists, not Islamic fundamentalists. as part of their Friday demonstrations against military rule. I can imagine these same people showing up to welcome Erdogan when he comes to Cairo this week.

    • Antidote
      September 10, 2011, 3:23 pm

      “Few of the reports pointed out that this was done by secularists, not Islamic fundamentalists.”

      That omission is part and parcel of the “Egypt 2011 = Iran 1979″ deflection and distortion of facts. Compare (from US State Department website):

      U.S.-IRANIAN RELATIONS
      On November 4, 1979, Iranian students seized the American Embassy in Tehran, where they held 52 Americans hostage for 444 days. Although it has been claimed that Ayatollah Khomeini did not have prior knowledge of the students’ plans, he gave his full support to them throughout the seizure. The students claimed that they occupied the American Embassy to avert another U.S.-orchestrated coup to restore the Shah to power; suspicions arose after the U.S. admitted the Shah for medical treatment in October 1979.”

      Not even close. No Israeli hostages, and all arrests, injuries and casualties on the Egyptian side.

      • Walid
        September 10, 2011, 5:10 pm

        ““Few of the reports pointed out that this was done by secularists, not Islamic fundamentalists.”

        You’re right about the distortions, Antidote, lots of it in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

        The fundies were in fact against the anti-Israel demonstrations which is very odd since theyt hate Israel the most. America’s sudden love for Muslim fundamentalists in Egypt, Libya and Syria is a major change in its outlook on what it used to consider terrorists. Now these former terrorists are America’s allies.

        From Counterfire.org:

        “… On international issues, the Brotherhood answered positively to a call made by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on 30th June that the US was “re-engaging” with the Brotherhood in an effort to promote democracy. The Brotherhood declared that it welcomed formal contacts with the US as a way of clarifying its institutional vision. This shows the readiness of the Brotherhood to collaborate with imperialist states.”

        link to counterfire.org

        Anyone still remembers Mohammaed Baradei?

      • Antidote
        September 10, 2011, 6:32 pm

        “America’s sudden love for Muslim fundamentalists in Egypt, Libya and Syria is a major change in its outlook on what it used to consider terrorists.”

        I wasn’t aware of such ‘sudden love’. But is it a ‘major change’, Walid? And how long will it last?

        Hitler
        Stalin
        Saddam Hussein
        Osama bin Laden
        the Hamas

      • Shingo
        September 10, 2011, 6:50 pm

        It’s not sudden Walid,

        The US has been suopporting Sunni Jihadists since 911. Two that come ro mind are the Fata al Islam group against Hezbollah. The other is Jundula against Iran.

        Even when Iran offered to swap the Al Qaeda members it had captured after 911, the US refused to hand over the MEK members it was harboring in Iraq.

        US policy is never what it seems.

      • Walid
        September 10, 2011, 7:50 pm

        It wasn’t that sudden, I was being sarcastic. What was sudden is that the US is no longer hiding it or embarrassed about it. The US-backed insurgents in Libya got their arms from the US weeks before Obama went to the Congress for an after the fact approval to do so. The US has a long history of supporting such movements all over the world. There’s a good essay on the history of this “love” with Muslim fundies here on Mondo under “British colonial strategy and the 9/11 blowback” by Nu’ man Abd el-Wahid that traces the history of these relationships that started with the British many decades ago and eventually taken over by the US.

  9. piotr
    September 10, 2011, 2:40 pm

    Rioters targetted a single building, and it should not be all that difficult to separate them from that building with a human wall of security forces in riot gear, and without any carnage.

    Police, however, was not particularly active from the descriptions. I conjecture that the border killings by IDF were deeply felt by Egyptian security forces, if not the command, then by rank and file.

    I think that it is hard to approve violent demonstrations of that kind. OTOH, one needs to see the context for the inflamed moods in the region and compare the immediate consequences. Violent mobs in Cairo. Settlers on a rampage (they are kind of permanently on the rampage, but the form a context even so). Israeli FM going off his meds (threatening to support anti-NATO guerillas? Do we need to issue an arrest warrant?)

  10. Antidote
    September 10, 2011, 2:59 pm

    The protests that brought down the Berlin Wall were predominantly peaceful, hence the term ‘Velvet Revolution’. Does anybody remember the storming of the Stasi headquarters, a few months after the fall of the Wall, with files flying out the windows? The East Germans were mad as hell when they got wind of the Stasi destroying files to cover up the extent of their oppressive regime, and return to business as usual, with minor reforms.

    The Egyptians want a new Egypt, not a lame make-over, and no lame protests on behalf of their government against Israelis shooting Egyptian soldiers on Egyptian soil. If Israel wants peace with Egypt and maintain good diplomatic relations, it will have to deliver a new Israel. Shooting Egyptian soldiers and saying ‘Sorry, shit happens, let’s have an investigation’ won’t do. Nobody believes anymore in investigations conducted by or with the current Israeli government.

    • piotr
      September 10, 2011, 3:44 pm

      This is a good cite for such occasion, Mark Twain’s “Adventures of Huckelberry Finn.”

      “It warn’t the grounding — that didn’t keep us back but a little. We blowed out a cylinder-head.”

      “Good gracious! anybody hurt?”

      “No’m. Killed a nigger.”

      “Well, it’s lucky; because sometimes people do get hurt.”

      A certain show of regret (or glee) to another state after a snafu is whom do you dismiss (or promote) in the aftermath. Just a mental exercise: suppose that some extremist groups of Ojibwa (not that there exist any!) crosses the border to Canada, and Canadian forces chase them, and in the process cross the border, kill two border guards and three forest rangers. Would anybody resign?

      • Antidote
        September 10, 2011, 4:28 pm

        “Would anybody resign?”

        Heads would roll faster than you can say “Oh Canada”. Harper would immediately seize absolute power under emergency legislation, shut down parliament, cut all opposition funding, and cancel all Finkelstein lectures

      • Walid
        September 10, 2011, 8:10 pm

        Luckily for you, the law wouldn’t let Harper do that. Such powers are granted only to the Cabinet. The last time such a law was invoked was in 1970 during the FLQ crisis when the suspension of habeas corpus resulted in 450 people getting arrested mostly journalists, some as far away as Kamloops and for no valid reason since none were necessary, without being charged for several months. It left a stain in the memory of people a mari usque ad mare.

      • Antidote
        September 10, 2011, 11:20 pm
  11. hophmi
    September 10, 2011, 3:55 pm

    So we favor mob violence, do we?

    • Richard Witty
      September 10, 2011, 4:05 pm

      That seems to be theme.

      • Chaos4700
        September 11, 2011, 2:15 am

        Like you favor bombing schools and murdering children. I’d say that makes us even except the stuff we support, NOBODY DIES.

      • Sumud
        September 11, 2011, 8:09 am

        So we favor mob violence, do we?

        That seems to be theme.

        Sure we do hophmi. We’re all just “holding our noses” while thousands of Israelis are killed and 80% of them driven out of Israel.

        Oh, wait! That wasn’t us at all, that was Richard’s “humanising the other” response to the Nakba. Yet still he turns up to ‘tsk tsk tsk’ everybody for not being horrified that Egyptians are mighty pissed off about the IDF entering Egyptian territory (again) and killing Egyptian soldiers.

      • ddi
        September 11, 2011, 8:24 am

        Meanwhile the sixth Egyptian soldier has succumbed to his wounds on Saturday

        link to translate.google.com

    • eee
      September 10, 2011, 4:37 pm

      Apparently.
      I am reading this thread in disbelief.
      The Egyptian people have a right to be against peace with Israel and against an Israeli embassy in Egypt. All they have to do is wait patiently and vote for a party that this is part of their manifesto.

      • Bumblebye
        September 10, 2011, 5:35 pm

        eeeeeeeee
        I think the Egyptian people have shown themselves as being against diplomatic relations with a bullying oppressive little nation that has done them no good for over 30 years. I think they are angry at the military junta letting them down by being so ‘soft’ on the murder of their own after Eilat. I think they are more than aware that for over 30 years, their association with Israel has in small part enabled the theft and destruction of thousands of homes, thousands of dunums of land and thousands of lives in Palestine. By its abuse of US FP, Israel has turned any purported friendly country/ally into enablers of its illegality. All the ‘aid’ Egypt has received over the years from the US has been based on this, as it has been based on maintaining the Mubarak dictatorship. Who wouldn’t want freedom from that?

      • Kathleen
        September 10, 2011, 6:44 pm

        BB bingo bingo bingo

      • Kathleen
        September 10, 2011, 6:44 pm

        I don’t think the Egyptian people are against peace with Israel if Israel would abide by international agreements.

      • Walid
        September 10, 2011, 6:49 pm

        “All they have to do is wait patiently and vote for a party that this is part of their manifesto.”

        It can’t be done and such a manifesto would land its adherents in jail; the ruling Miltary Supreme Council that calls the shots and has been calling them in Egypt for 50 years has come out and openly declared it wants to maintain its ties with Israel. The Brotherhood and Salafists that appear to be heading towards a parliamentary majority in a couple months have also come out and declared that they want to maintain ties with Israel. The next president to be elected is the US-sponsored Amr Moussa; while he is not pro-Israel, he is also not anti-Israel. Other populist parties like one headed by Baradei to whom the US has an aversion will be left eating the dust of those mentioned.

    • Ellen
      September 10, 2011, 4:56 pm

      Was it mob violence?

      Was storming the Stasi Hdqts. as East Germany fell really mob violence?

      Or protecting self dignity and determination?

      No Israelis were attacked. No Israelis died as a result of the siege onto the Embassy. The Egyptian Government (rightfully) provided protection to all Israelis in the Embassy.

      • annie
        September 10, 2011, 5:01 pm

        maybe they don’t like having big walls in their city.

      • eee
        September 10, 2011, 6:03 pm

        This is nonchalant attitude I would expect when Israelis are attacked. Luckily nobody was injured, but it could very well have happened. If this were done to the US embassy, would most Americans view it as mob violence even if by luck no American was hurt? Of course. And if Israelis did this to the Egyptian embassy would you call it mob violence? Of course you would. Take your hypocrisy and stick it.

      • Richard Witty
        September 10, 2011, 6:19 pm

        “maybe they don’t like having big walls in their city.”

        You’ve obviously not been to Cairo, or was that a joke Annie?

      • annie
        September 10, 2011, 6:34 pm

        i did see some huge walls when i was there. you’re right, that was a stupid comment.

      • Ellen
        September 10, 2011, 6:47 pm

        Then was it mob violence when East Germans attacked the Stasi Headquarters?

        The West cheered it. Was that hypocrisy?

      • tree
        September 10, 2011, 7:09 pm

        If this were done to the US embassy, would most Americans view it as mob violence even if by luck no American was hurt? Of course.

        Worse was done to the US Embassy in Iran way back when, and even though I felt sorry for the American hostages, I understood that it was blowback for our hubris and our detructive interference starting decades before when we helped overthrow the Iranian government and install the Shah and then trained his torturous goons. Try understanding other people’s perspectives. It might help you get over your victim complex.

    • Antidote
      September 10, 2011, 5:01 pm

      just returned from CiF, hophmi, RW, and eee, loading your ‘it’s all about anti-semitism’ guns?

      link to cifwatch.com

    • Kathleen
      September 10, 2011, 6:38 pm

      You sure seem to

  12. American
    September 10, 2011, 4:11 pm

    Let’s retaliate against Turkey!

    ‘Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office released on Friday a statement regarding Foreign Minister Avidgor Lieberman’s “plan” to take retaliatory steps against Turkey.

    According to a report in Yedioth Ahronoth, Lieberman assembled a team in charge of retaliating against Turkey. According to the report, the team recommended to Lieberman that Israel should cooperate with the terrorist organization PKK (Kurdistan Workers’ Party) and even consider supplying it with weapons. Another suggestion was to offer assistance to the Armenians and file UN reports against Turkey for violating human rights of Turkey’s minorities

    link to haaretz.com

    Okey dokey, maybe it’s time to take a look at the line up for that total ME war Israel keeps trying to start. We can guess at who would and wouldn’t go to Israel’s aid. I left off some countries because either their armies are too small or they don’t possess sufficient fire power. Except for Saudi which I didn’t include because typically they will do nothing except provide covert aid to one side or another or typically both. But they and Russia have the most money, oil resources and gold reserves to decide who wins a protracted war should they take a side.
    These figures show the active- reserve -then paramilitary forces in a country –and the last figure is their total armed forces to draw on. However the CIA notes that some countries like Turkey and Russia have reserves that are actually combat trained instead of just available to be trained in event of war. Also some are listed as less proficient than others. For example India has numerous troops but deficient training and Saudi has billions of the latest weapons and aircraft but their army is considered undertrained on the weapons and aircraft they have. I left out Iraq because they are in a position to provide only fighters. I didn’t include Pakistan because if Israel gets it’s war on, India and Pakistan would most likely direct their efforts at each other before anyone else. I didn’t include China despite their large army because Russia and China have a pact and China would do nothing except service Russia if Russia took a side. I also didn’t include Germany because I doubt they would put forces in the ME although they might provide Israel equipment support. The only two major forces who ‘ might’ put military in the ME for or against Israel would be Russia and the US. If no outsider put military into the ME in a Israeli war then it comes down to who has the most coins to provide ME countries involved with enough war equipment to keep going and who has enough numbers to take the losses. ..and that wouldn’t be Israel. So that is where nukes come in. Israel has them, Pakistan has them, India has them, Turkey as a NATO ally has US nukes and war heads, the US of course and then Russia has twice as many missiles and war heads as the US.
    The countries most heavily supplied by Russia are Lebanon and Iran. So if we are talking about that all out war the Israelis want to “realign” the ME and it was ‘all out’ we would see Russia, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey with combined total forces of 35 million to draw from vr. US, Isr, India with combined forces of 8.5 million to draw from. This wouldn’t count assorted guerrilla groups like Syrians. Jordains, Iraqis and etc. who would be entering the fray.

    All I would say to the war mongering zios, neos and Lieberman’s of Israel and all the little hormone challenged zio activist beating their chest and crying ‘bring it on’…is go ahead, play your hand ..suicide is painless, it brings about many changes.

    Egypt 468,500- 479,000 -397,000- total 1,344,500

    India 1,325,000 -2,142,821- 1,300,586 -total 4,768,407

    Israel 176,500- 565,000- 8,050 – total 749,550

    Lebanon – 100,000- 9,999,999 -2,220,000- total 12,319,999

    United States of America 1,580,255- 1,458,500 11,035- total 3,049,790

    Russian Federation 1,027,000 -754,000 -20,000,000 -total 21,781,000

    (Russia, which still maintains reserve obligation from the days of the Soviet Union, in that its 20 million reservists includes only trained troops who have served during their life in the armed forces and must remain available until the age of 50 years.)

    Turkey- 620,000 -429,000 -102,200 – total 1,151,200

    • Kathleen
      September 10, 2011, 6:42 pm

      “According to a report in Yedioth Ahronoth, Lieberman assembled a team in charge of retaliating against Turkey. According to the report, the team recommended to Lieberman that Israel should cooperate with the terrorist organization PKK (Kurdistan Workers’ Party) and even consider supplying it with weapons.”

      Uh that all ready happened. The Mossad has allegedly been helping the PKK for quite awhile. Seymour Hersh wrote about this in one of his articles in the New Yorker

      • American
        September 11, 2011, 2:04 am

        Yes I know, I posted the Hersh interview.
        Also don’t foget the MEK, the zios want them delisted as a terrorist group so they can use them against Iran…which they have been doing anyway and the US had a ‘special camp’ for the MEK in the Kurd region of Iraq.

  13. Richard Witty
    September 10, 2011, 4:42 pm

    link to haaretz.com

    “The United States told Egypt’s military rulers during an attack on the Israeli embassy in Cairo that they must act quickly in order to prevent Israeli personnel from being attacked by Egyptian protesters, Haaretz learned on Saturday. ”

    I’m certain of the litany of “see the US is Israel’s puppet”.

    But, do you guys understand how serious this escalation is?

    • Antidote
      September 10, 2011, 5:17 pm

      I’m certain of the litany of “see the US is Israel’s puppet”.

      But, do you guys understand how serious this escalation is?

      ___

      well, yes, Richard. It means that the Israeli government can’t even get Israeli diplomats out of a neighboring country without seeking assistance from the US. The only Muslim country with which it has a peace treaty (which Israel has violated repeatedly and consistently and esp. wrt its policies towards the Palestinians, and fueling terrorism in Gaza, the WB and the Sinai in the process). Will the US risk any more conflict and loss of face with Iran, Turkey and Egypt for the sake of Israel refusing to change? I think not. The Israeli government is toast.

    • Walid
      September 10, 2011, 5:33 pm

      “But, do you guys understand how serious this escalation is?”

      I hope it gets even more serious and to the point where Israel stops taking its neighbours, the US and the rest of the world for granted. The joyride on America’s back is coming to an end.

      • Richard Witty
        September 10, 2011, 6:20 pm

        You guys are scary people.

        The United States could find itself at war with Egypt and Turkey, not to mention Israel at war with them.

        I thought you considered international law of consequence.

      • annie
        September 10, 2011, 6:35 pm

        excuse me?

      • crone
        September 10, 2011, 6:42 pm

        “The United States could find itself at war with Egypt and Turkey, not to mention Israel at war with them.”

        why would the US find itself at war with Egypt or Turkey?

      • Shingo
        September 10, 2011, 6:54 pm

        I thought you considered international law of consequence.

        Do you seriously believe anyone cares what you think Witty?

        Do you really think the US will go to war against Israel?

      • Bumblebye
        September 10, 2011, 7:03 pm

        RW
        Um, how would the US “find itself at war with Egypt and Turkey”?
        The former has done it no harm, ditto the latter, which is also a NATO ally. If it should happen that Turkey is attacked by a non-NATO member, then the US is obliged to come to its aid.

      • libra
        September 10, 2011, 7:08 pm

        RW: “The United States could find itself at war with Egypt and Turkey, not to mention Israel at war with them.”

        Richard, don’t be melodramatic. The US isn’t going to attack a fellow NATO member. Besides, I don’t recall the US finding itself at war with Israel during Cast Lead and that looked much more serious with state forces attacking civilian areas on a large scale.

        But I’m thinking the 30-year timescale of the recently updated Witty Plan to reach a bi-national federal state in Israel/Palestine is lacking a certain sense of urgency given the speed that events are unfolding in the Middle East.

      • Antidote
        September 10, 2011, 7:24 pm

        “You guys are scary people…”

        I give up. Good night folks, I’m going out

      • Richard Witty
        September 10, 2011, 8:07 pm

        If Turkey undertook to protect a flotilla operation and it resulted in a firefight between an Israeli ship and a Turkish, then escalated from there to active war between Israel and Turkey, what do you think would happen?

        And, you really think that is an outlandish sequence?

        The storming of an embassy is a violation of international law. An embassy is semi-sovereign. It is nowhere an inconsequential act.

      • RoHa
        September 10, 2011, 8:37 pm

        ‘Um, how would the US “find itself at war with Egypt and Turkey”?
        The former has done it no harm, ditto the latter, which is also a NATO ally. If it should happen that Turkey is attacked by a non-NATO member, then the US is obliged to come to its aid.”

        As I understand it, although there is no formal treaty of alliance, various US presidents and other government busybodies have publicly vowed to defend Israel against anyone, even if Israel starts the war.

        And Israel and AIPAC would demand it. Do you really think that the US would honour its commitments under the most important and long-standing defence treaty it has with countries that have proven themselves to be real allies, if, say, Abe Foxman told them not to?

        Not a chance.
        In 1973 the US broke the treaty by sending its NATO equipment to Israel.

        The Turks can forget US assistance if Israel attacks.

      • DBG
        September 10, 2011, 9:27 pm

        you guys don’t understand the magnitude of any events. You see Israel was attacked so you cheer. the US intervened to stop an all out war, a war which many many people would die. Do you guys not realize this? Everyone wants war on here without really know the consequences.

        This is a sad day for the “human rights” activists of Mondoweiss.

      • James
        September 10, 2011, 11:03 pm

        another melodramatic response… why is it the same folks never appear melodramatic when innocent palestinians, turkish or egyptian police officers are being murdered? i would really like to know why some folks can only share the mellodrama when israels embassy is attacked in egypt, especially after all that has gone on while the usa selectively acknowledges only some of it???

      • RobertB
        September 10, 2011, 11:11 pm

        RW…said…

        “The storming of an embassy is a violation of international law. An embassy is semi-sovereign. It is nowhere an inconsequential act.”

        ~~~~~~~

        Look at who wants to talk about the violation of international law!!!

        Hmmm…How many times & how many years has your beloved racist Israel been violating international law?

        How many crimes & deaths has has your beloved IDF thugs committed in international waters, in Gaza, Lebanon…etc…???

        How many times has your beloved Israeli IDF/military used cluster bombs, white phosphorus, depleted uranium on Palestinians/Lebanese/Arabs civilian populations…etc…???

      • American
        September 11, 2011, 2:09 am

        “If Turkey undertook to protect a flotilla operation and it resulted in a firefight between an Israeli ship and a Turkish, then escalated from there to active war between Israel and Turkey, what do you think would happen?”

        I think in that case witty Israel would be slam out of luck. The US isn’t going to attack Turkey for Israel.

      • American
        September 11, 2011, 2:18 am

        “As I understand it, although there is no formal treaty of alliance, various US presidents and other government busybodies have publicly vowed to defend Israel against anyone, even if Israel starts the war.”

        Politicians can vow anything they want…the lobby that will trump the Isralei lobby on that promise is the US Military Command.

      • American
        September 11, 2011, 2:34 am

        It’s Israel that wants a war…but typically they want Americans to fight it for them. Israel has been trying to start the “Great ME Realignment War” for 2 decades.

        I say let them have it… All by themselves.
        Instead of running their mouths, threatening everyone and beating their chest like a bunch of monkeys on steriods, let them get their war on….all by themselves.

      • Sumud
        September 11, 2011, 8:51 am

        The storming of an embassy is a violation of international law. An embassy is semi-sovereign. It is nowhere an inconsequential act.

        Meanwhile you have argued repeatedly that the 500,000 illegal settlers violating Palestinian sovereignty in the West Bank for decades should be rewarded for doing so by Palestinians by being allowed to remain in their illegal settlements forever.

        Right. Stinking hypocrisy Richard – but why am I not surprised with your sudden concern with international law?

      • Richard Witty
        September 11, 2011, 9:25 am

        Its a comment on others’ hypocrisy.

        Sumud, Ever mention international law? Ever going to again?

      • Sumud
        September 11, 2011, 9:36 am

        Its a comment on others’ hypocrisy.

        Well done Richard for admitting your concern with international law was only opportunistic. Perhaps you noe might like to think about whether that is a good or bad thing.

        Sumud, Ever mention international law? Ever going to again?

        But of course I have, and I will again. Why would I not?

      • Bumblebye
        September 11, 2011, 9:50 am

        RW
        What would be the point Richard? Any mention of international law in relation to Israel’s contraventions of same regarding past, continuing and ongoing crimes just makes your eyes glaze over and the message gets lost in the impenetrable forest of hasbara wood that constitutes your mind!

      • Chaos4700
        September 11, 2011, 11:17 am

        You guys are scary people.

        We’re not the ones who claim that ethnic cleansing is ever necessary or right, like you and eee do.

      • Antidote
        September 11, 2011, 12:35 pm

        “you really think that is an outlandish sequence?”

        what would be outlandish imo is an Israeli attack on a Turkish ship sailing to Gaza, protecting a humanitarian aid flotilla, in international waters, or even off the coast of Gaza. Just as Israel’s reaction to the Mavi Marmara was outlandish. I don’t think either the blockade of Gaza nor the boarding and/or attack of a ship in international waters conforms to international law either. So no, given past history the sequence does not strike me as outlandish. But only if Israel continues to act like a lunatic, rogue state.

        The possibility of letting the flotilla sail to Gaza was apparently considered by the Israeli government prior to the sailing of the flotilla. It would have been the right decision. It would not only have saved lives, it would have saved face (Israel’s). It would have eased tension in Gaza and the entire region. It would have turned old enemies into potential friends, rather than achieve the opposite (Turkey). But no, they had to play Mad Dog once again.

      • RoHa
        September 11, 2011, 10:14 pm

        “the lobby that will trump the Isralei lobby on that promise is the US Military Command.”

        I would dearly hope so. They didn’t trump the lobby in 1973. Of course, that was just taking a risk, not actually making war against an ally.

    • tree
      September 10, 2011, 6:57 pm

      But, do you guys understand how serious this escalation is?

      Ah yes, the IDF crossing over into Egyptian territory and killing 5 Egyptian policemen, NOT an escalation. Angry Egyptians taking over the Israeli Embassy, SERIOUS escalation. Got it.

      • DBG
        September 10, 2011, 9:28 pm

        after Israel was attacked from Egyptian territory. There is no comparison to the two.

      • James
        September 10, 2011, 11:15 pm

        the two are clearly connected.. israel must make a connection between murdering egyptian police officers and seeing an angry egyptian people expressing it in this manner… israel’s actions regularly result in innocent people being murdered without any acknowledgement of wrong doing on the part of israel… the usa acts as regular cover for israel on the world stage which only highlights usa’s hypocrisy and israels unwillingness to resolve conflict in any way other then thru warfare…

      • Chaos4700
        September 11, 2011, 2:18 am

        So how many Egyptians have to die for you to get your pound of flesh for Eliat? Do the deaths you exacted in Gaza count toward the “Jewish fingernail” ratio you’re invoking, or not?

    • ddi
      September 10, 2011, 7:39 pm

      “Netanyahu also referred to what he saw as a link between events such as the attack on the Israeli embassy and the stalled Middle East peace process.

      Gee, ya think so? …. doh!

    • Chaos4700
      September 11, 2011, 2:17 am

      I don’t remember you talking “serious escalation” when Israel was killing Egyptian officials across the border.

  14. annie
    September 10, 2011, 5:35 pm

    thanks for updating and adding the videos!

  15. eee
    September 10, 2011, 6:41 pm

    Ynet reports (in Hebrew) that if the Egyptian commandos would not have arrived in time, there certainly would have been a lynch. Six Israelis security persons were trapped behind one door and were literally waiting their death once it was broken down. Luckily, the commandos arrived but had to kill 3 Egyptians and injure others to get things under control. How is this not mob violence?

    link to ynet.co.il

    • Chaos4700
      September 11, 2011, 2:19 am

      Well of course YNet would say that! That’s what your Foreign Ministry wants them to say, so…

      And once again, the Israelis, make-believe Israeli deaths are supposed to matter more than the ACTUAL Arab deaths that really actually happened.

    • American
      September 11, 2011, 2:40 am

      Ah, poor little Israelis, just breaks my heart.
      Wonder how scared they would have been if they had been on the receiving end of Israel’s Cast Lead in Gaza?
      Wonder if they felt the same way Palestines feel when they get mobbed by Israel’s terrorist settlers.
      Karma is a bitch.

    • ddi
      September 11, 2011, 5:30 am

      link to ynetnews.com

      Having spoken to security officer Yonatan, whom Netanyahu mentioned in his Saturday speech, he claimed that reports of a near-lynch were exaggerated. “I was there several times and have spoken to Yoni and the reports do not exactly reflect reality.”

    • Danaa
      September 11, 2011, 6:01 pm

      it seems the Israelis are forever in danger of being “lynched”. be they commandos armed to the hilt raiding a ship full of unarmed activists, well equipped security guards cowering behind a door waiting in trepidation for the unarmed “mob” or IDF types dressed to the max as storm troopers, firing away their semi-lethal canisters and bullets, and having to withstand an occasional stone thrown by a 10 year old. See – they could have been hit on their helmet, and then what? eaten for lunch?

      That’s the thing – in some parts of the world soldiers are at risk of being “in harm’s way”, or, heaven forbid, in danger of being killed. But when the soldiers are Israeli they are always “nearly lynched”. Doesn’t matter whether they are in a tank blazing away at some old women trying to surrender. Nope, they were almost lynched. With emphasis on “almost”.

      But then what can we expect from our great arm chair military strategists and blood libel experts such as eee. In terror of lynching he lives, bring us the terrifying news of “almost” unspeakable atrocities (that for some reason seem to happen to the other side….). But let us all beware of ganging too much on our cyber-warriror eee – or he may froth with claims of being “almost” cyber-lynched.

      Gevalt!

  16. DICKERSON3870
    September 10, 2011, 6:59 pm

    FROM THE WASHINGTON POST: “Protesters knocked down a 12-foot concrete wall that had been built last week to protect the [Israeli] embassy, which is near the top floor of a 21-story residential building in the upscale Dokki area [of Cairo].”

    MY COMMENT: In other words, the Israel uses the innocent civilians living in that 21-story residential building as human shields!

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    • DICKERSON3870
      September 10, 2011, 8:52 pm

      FROM THE WASHINGTON POST: “Protesters knocked down a 12-foot concrete wall that had been built last week to protect the [Israeli] embassy, which is near the top floor of a 21-story residential building in the upscale Dokki area [of Cairo].”

      MY COMMENT: In other words, Israel uses the innocent civilians living in that 21-story residential building as human shields!

      • DICKERSON3870
        September 11, 2011, 2:37 am

        P.S. In my opinion, Israel putting its embassy on the top floor of a 21-story residential building in Cairo is tantamount to using the residents of that building as human shields.

  17. jayn0t
    September 10, 2011, 10:35 pm

    CNN is whining that their journalists were attacked, as well as those poor Israeli diplomats. The mob even turned on PBR reporters! Can’t these savages tell the difference between the liberal and the conservative media? I’m being ironic, of course.

    link to cnn.com

  18. Richard Witty
    September 11, 2011, 6:05 am

    Gershon Baskin
    Experts and the so called “man in the street” in Cairo are saying that the attack against the Israeli Embassy was led by mobs incited by former Mubarak internal security gangsters. They also burned the Ministry of Interior and the al Ghad party headquarters. They seek to undermine the revolution. People I respect believe this. My sense is that the Cairo street condemns the attack.

    • Shingo
      September 11, 2011, 6:27 am

      I know it would be a waste of time asking you for a link to those Experts and the so called “man in the street” but your argument is of course, aburd as all your arguments are.

      The revolution has been undermined by the ruling elite in Egypt. Mubarak may be gone, but the regime remained behind and with the help of the US, implemtned a counter revolution. Had the regime actually been overthrown altogether, the aid from the US would have stopped right away. It hasn’t of course.

      My sense is that you are full of it, as always.

      • Richard Witty
        September 11, 2011, 8:06 am

        It was a quote from Gershon Baskin. I thought that was obvious.

        He is in Cairo now.

      • Shingo
        September 11, 2011, 9:34 am

        It was a quote from Gershon Baskin. I thought that was obvious.

        And where is the link from Baskin reporting that Mubarak internal security gangsters were behind the attack against the Israeli Embassy? Do you seriously epect anyone to take your word for it?

      • Remax
        September 11, 2011, 9:42 am

        Gershon Baskin’s role is primarily reconciliatory, no one wants to witness these uncivilized scenes, they are distasteful to say the least. However, the Israeli ambassador has suffered de facto expulsion, and it is not easy to imagine the interim military authority to have been unable to avert this outcome had they really wished to do so, particularly if the ‘Cairo Street’ was on their side as you suggest. I imagine the real reason Tantawi could not be located for two critical hours was because had he been, he would have been compelled to protect the embassy and the Ambassador would still be there, a little shaken perhaps but not stirred. The fact that the Secretary of Defence couldn’t reach him can scarcely have been because Tantawi was out shooting ibex in the Sinai. No, he will have been watching events just as closely as Netanyahu, and carefully chose the precise moment to reach out and pick up the ‘phone, which is doubtless also why the Washington Post sat on that bit of their story.

  19. Remax
    September 11, 2011, 6:37 am

    Curious that the Washington Post does not consider it important to tell its readers that it took their Secretary of Defence two whole hours of effort to reach Tantawi while the Israeli embassy in Cairo was under attack and in danger of being trashed. Here is the Washington Post and here Haaretz>. Apparently he ‘couldn’t be reached’. Come on!

  20. eljay
    September 11, 2011, 9:42 am

    I support the right of people to protest outside the Israeli – or any other – embassy. I condemn the storming of the Israeli – or any other – embassy. And I’m disgusted by America’s typically hypocritical response.

  21. piotr
    September 11, 2011, 11:41 am

    Witty is right that there are definitely murky aspects of the riot.

    The political background is that

    (a) all political parties seemed to support copying Turkish decision to downgrade/suspend diplomatic relations with Israel

    (b) secular parties but not religious parties want to “correct the course” and that was the theme of most of Friday demonstrations. Junta wants to either reimpose or extend emergency rules. Two religious parties are happy with the aspects of the current system that favors large parties, perhaps this is why they boycott “correct the course”.

    (c) the riot is convenient for the junta to rule “temporarily” by extending emergency law and postponing elections; religious parties have some kind of deal with the junta, but I think predicated on junta being temporary without quotation marks, clampdown on secular parties can be in short-term mutual interest.

    It is hard to figure out what is going on. One thing that we see, because we watch Palestinian issues is that the junta is a master of creating appearance of something happening without doing anything. Lifting restrictions on the movement to/from Gaza and Palestinian reconciliation were exactly that. This is probably their mode of operation. Perhaps they want to rule basically like Mubarak.

  22. Les
    September 11, 2011, 5:28 pm

    From today’s Guardian:

    “An unnamed Israeli security source quoted by the Ynet news website said reports of a near-lynching were exaggerated: “I have spoken to [Yonatan] and the reports do not exactly reflect reality.”

    link to guardian.co.uk

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