A weekend of violence in Gaza

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Israeli airstrikes kill nine Palestinians
Deaths have prompted a massive barrage of retaliatory rocket fire, officials say.
 
2 Fighters Killed In Gaza; 9 in Less Than 24 hours, One Israeli Killed In Asqalan
The Al Quds Brigades, the armed wing of the Islamic Jihad, reported on Sunday at dawn, that two of its fighters were killed in an Israeli Air Strike targeting an area west of Gaza City. On Saturday afternoon, seven fighters were killed in Tal Al Sultan, in southern Gaza. Several Palestinians were injured. One Israeli was killed by a Palestinian shell in Asqalan (Ashkelon)
 
GAZA CITY (Ma’an) — The Fatah movement in Gaza strongly condemned an Israeli airstrike which killed five Islamic Jihad fighters in the southern Gaza Strip on Saturday, a statement said. The movement described the airstrike as an “assassination crime committed by Israeli occupation forces.” The Israeli government is attempting “to throw the region into a cycle of violence and systematic state terrorism against the Palestinian people,” the statement added.
 

Despite Declared Ceasefire; Israel Bombards Several Areas In Gaza
Despite a mediated ceasefire mediated by Egypt between the resistance in the Gaza Strip, and Israel, the Israeli army bombarded, on Sunday at dawn, several areas in different parts of the Gaza Strip.

Egyptian efforts at Gaza cease-fire fail (AP)
AP – Egyptian officials say efforts to persuade Palestinian militants in Gaza to hold their rocket fire on Israel have failed, after a day of deadly, escalated violence.

 
GAZA CITY (Ma’an) — A medical official said a Palestinian man sustained injuries Thursday east of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, while Israel’s army denied involvement.  Medical spokesman in Gaza Adham Abu Salmiya said a 32-year-old identified only as MA suffered an injury to his left hand after Israeli forces opened fire.  He was taken to Abu Yousef An-Najjar hospital and then to the European hospital.
 
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Land, property, resources theft & destruction / Ethnic cleansing / Apartheid / Restriction of movement

Israel finds new “home” for Bedouins: a garbage dump
The Israeli government plans to forcibly displace 27,000 Bedouins in the occupied West Bank within three to six 
link to Electronic Intifada

Parents: Remove mobile towers near Bethlehem school

BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) — Parents and students at a school in the town of Beit Jala, near Bethlehem, plan to hold a sit-in strike Saturday against the presence of cell phone towers near their classrooms. The close proximity of a Wataniya and Jawwal mobile towers to the Talitha Kumi School “may have in the short and long term negative effects on our children’s health,” a committee of concerned parents said. ”The World Health Organization and the Ministry of Environment prevent the existence of the towers near schools because the children are at the stage of development and growth,” a statement said.  The sit-in strike, scheduled for one hour on Saturday at 8 a.m., is the first step in a campaign to remove the towers. There will be other activities in the days following the sit-in, the statement said.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=433224

A UK immigration court ruled yesterday that popular Palestinian leader Sheikh Raed Salah could be deported from the country, after being banned by Home Secretary Theresa May in June. The Electronic Intifada can now also exclusively reveal new details of an Israeli government role in the UK plot to exclude Salah.
The Israeli Army shot at me and 3 Palestinian kids in Gaza today

After a lovely day of drinking excessive amounts of tea with a few families in South Gaza (Faraheen and Khuza’a, to be exact), an Italian colleague, Silvia, who used to live in Khuza’a, suggested walking down the road towards the local school.  It was late afternoon, about 4:30 p.m. and dozens of children played in the area.  We walked past  slices of a giant concrete wall placed in the middle of the road.  The slivers reminded me of Israel’s Apartheid Wall in the West Bank — 25 feet of reinforced concrete.   The local villagers had apparently retrieved these sections from a former settlement and placed them there so that children could play outside while being (somewhat) protected from Israeli army gunfire
http://notesfrombehindtheblockade.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/the-israeli-army-shot-at-me-and-3-palestinian-kids-in-gaza-today/

 
Israeli army shoots at children and two ISM activists
Witnesses in Gaza today reported an escalation of Israeli aggression in the Khuza’a – Abasan, governate of Khan Younis, Gaza Strip.  The Israeli army also shot at two ISM activists and local children. Israeli tanks entered Gaza this morning, from approximately 7.30 to 8.30, moving from the village of Faraheen to Khuza’a.  Residents reported hearing numerous gun shots. Suzanne, who lives in the north of Khuza’a, confirmed that in recent days, Israeli tanks have entered Gaza on a daily basis. Another women, Taragi, who lives in the south of Khuza, also confirmed that Israeli gunfire has become more frequent.

 
Other Israeli / Settler Terrorism Against Palestinians
 

Soldiers Attack A Nonviolent Protest Near Hebron, Injuries Reported
Israeli soldiers attacked on Saturday a nonviolent protest against Israeli settlements, in Beit Ummar town, near the central West Bank city of Hebron, five reporters and one resident were injured.

 
The Israeli military violently obstructed a peaceful demonstration against the Israeli separation wall in Al-Ma’sara, near Bethlehem, today. Around 25 Palestinians and a similar number of international observers marched from the village at 12:20 PM today and attempted to reach olive groves on Palestinian land just outside of Al-Ma’asara in time for this year’s olive harvest.  A line of thirteen soldiers, backed by reinforcements in three armoured vehicles, pushed and shoved protesters, including a small Palestinian boy, in order to prevent them from leaving the village.
 
The Israeli military is continuing to harass and intimidate Palestinians and international volunteers at checkpoints throughout Tel Rumeida, Hebron. On 25 October 2011, around 7.15pm, a Palestinian woman was held at checkpoint56 inTel Rumeida for around an hour after refusing to pass through the metal detector.  The woman claimed that she was unwell and had been instructed by her doctor that it was not safe to pass through metal detectors.  Although she produced papers from the doctor showing that she was ill, the soldiers refused to let her pass.  She was eventually allowed to continue her journey, without passing through the metal detector, after the Israeli police were called and allowed her to return home.
 
NABLUS (Ma’an) — A family in Nablus says Israeli settlers blew up a room in their home and firebombed their jeep early Thursday. Shaheer Hanini, 40, told Ma’an the family was woken by two blasts at their home in Beit Furik at around 2 a.m. They found a room at the back of the house burnt out and their jeep, parked in front of the home, on fire. Hanini says he used a water tank to put out the blaze.
 

Injuries in IOF, settlers attack on peaceful march
Israeli occupation forces (IOF) fired teargas and stun grenades at a peaceful march in Beit Ummar village, north of Al-Khalil, afternoon Saturday, local sources said.

 
Jewish settlers attacked Palestinian farmers in Azmut village to the east of Nablus on Saturday morning and prevented from collecting their olive crops.

 
On Tuesday, illegal settlers from the Susiya settlement harvested the olive trees belonging to the Abu Sabha family from Susiya and Yatta, South Hebron Hills.
 

Refusing to die in silence: Palestinians resist settler violence during the olive harvest, BEN LORBER
As this year’s olive harvest sends Palestinian families across all of historic Palestine out to their olive trees, a new nonviolent resistance group called Refusing to Die In Silence is patrolling the West Bank, protecting harvesters from increased settler violence. 
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/10/refusing-to-die-in-silence-palestinians-resist-settler-violence-during-the-olive-harvest.html

 
Palestinian Reprisal
 

Rockets pound south as barrages fired at Ashdod, Beersheba
Senior Egyptian official claims cease-fire agreed upon as of 6 am but at least 11 rockets and mortar shells fired at South overnight and early Sunday morning. Iron Dome intercepts two Grad rockets fired at Ashdod.

Ashkelon rocket victim dies
Man who sustained serious shrapnel wounds in rocket attack on Ashkelon dies in hospital. At least 24 rockets, mortar shells fired at Israel Saturday.

 
Political Prisoners
 

Eight arrested in Tsur Baher raid
Israeli police, border guards and intelligence agents raided a home in Tsur Baher early Thursday morning, 27 October. Eight men were arrested in the raid on the home of the Attoon and Bkeerat families in the village just south of Jerusalem. They are currently being held at the Russian Compound. Family head Abu Ahmad Attoon told Silwanic that a huge number of Israeli forces stormed the house and arrested 7 members of his family: Ahmad Attoon Eyad (38), Ra’ed (36), Wa’el Mousa Attoon (43), Mousa Ahmad Attoon (21), his brother Luqman (19), Suhaib Ali Attoon (38) and Ezz al-Dien Mahmoud Attoon (17). Essam Bkeerat was also arrested. The 8 were taken to the Russian Compound in west Jerusalem.   Attoon commented that the raid had been conducted only a few short days after celebrations had swept the village, in honour of those prisoners returned home as part of the Israel-Hamas prisoner swap agreement. A long shadow has been cast over such bonhomie, in light of this new sweep of arrests.   The Jerusalem Prisoners Committee and the families of the returned prisoners have condemned the arrests as a disgraceful attempt to sour a rare moment of celebration for the Palestinian people. The Attoon family’s experience has been particularly bitter-sweet, as Ahmad Attoon’s brother, Legislative Parliament member Mahmoud Ahmad Attoon, was amongst those free as part of the swap deal. Mahmoud had served 19 years in jail under his life sentence.  

The proof is all there: photos, videos, witnesses. All of them showed that Ashraf Abu Rahmah, one of the main activists of popular non violent struggle in the village of Bil’in, Palestine, walked peacefully on the road which goes from Bil’in’s recent liberated land to the center of the village, when an Israeli jeep passed besides him. Then it stopped. The soldiers stepped down, took the flag Ashraf carried and arrested him, forcing him to enter in the back of the vehicle under arrest, on October 23rd.
 

Zionist court refuses to release Muna Qaadan
The Zionist military court in Salem refused to release Muna Qaadan (39), from Arraba in Jenin district, on bail despite the fact that she was brought before court previously on the same charges.

 
Released Detainees
 

Humilation Against The Detainees Continues
Palestinian detainees held by Israel at the Majiddo detention center, managed to leak a memo revealing that the violations against them have never stopped, adding that the Israeli Prisons Administration (IPA) is not abiding by vows it made to the detainees in order to end their hunger strike, the Palestinian News & Info Agency (WAFA) reported Saturday.

 
 
Gaza
 

Russian aid convoy arrives in Gaza
A Russian aid convoy carrying medicines and medical equipment arrived to the Gaza Strip, which has been under siege for five years, through the Rafah crossing.

 
Solidarity / Activism / Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions
 
DUBLIN (Reuters) — A former culture minister was on course to be elected Ireland’s president on Friday, beating an ex-IRA commander and a reality TV star, informal tallies showed as a rival conceded defeat., Michael D. Higgins, 70, a champion of Palestinian rights and a member of junior coalition party Labour, was ahead in most voting tallies across the country, state broadcaster RTE said., “It’s very clear that we will have a President Michael D. Higgins,” said David Norris, a gay-rights campaigner who said he expected to come third or fourth.
 
Islamic council in J’lem hails Saudi Arabia for eliminating Alstom
The higher Islamic council in occupied Jerusalem welcomed the decision taken by Saudi Arabia to exclude the French transport company Alstom from the construction of the Haramain train project.

 

Ezra Nawi: ‘I just feel sorry that my name caused David problems’
“Firstly, I think that being gay makes me more sensitive to other people’s problems,” he says. “Secondly, I used to have a Palestinian boyfriend in Ramallah, and when you go through the checkpoints and experience daily life for the Palestinians, it became real for me rather than something I’d just read and heard about. And the gay-rights movement here isn’t really concerned with the problems facing other groups like the Palestinians and the Bedouins.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2011/1029/1224306692417.html

 
‘A historic forum:’ Sylvia Schwarz tells Minneapolis gathering that privileging Jews is racism, Sylvia Schwarz
Editor’s note: Yesterday we posted Sylvia Schwarz’s account of an October 16 forum she participated in in Minneapolis, titled “Seeking Israeli/Palestinian Peace: Varied Voices from the Jewish Community.” The post got a lot of comment and we asked Schwarz, a member of the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network, for the text of her prepared remarks. That follows. And below her text is a short response from Schwarz to the many comments.

 
Boston Zionists fail to excommunicate Vilkomerson and her call for ‘equality, respect’ and boycott, Philip Weiss
The Jewish Advocate in Boston has a surprisingly fair piece on a boycott debate at a synagogue in the city earlier this week, featuring Rebecca Vilkomerson of Jewish Voice for Peace. Vilkomerson is quoted at length in the article and comes off as sincere, completely engaged with the Jewish community (and its fears, which I find self-absorbed– but there they are), and unapologetic about liberal values.
 
As long as the Israeli government uses art and culture to cover up Israeli war crimes, culture and politics are clearly intertwined.
 
I wanted my readers to know that in addition to the blog posts I publish here, there is much short-form activism which I find more appropriate to post on Twitter or Facebook.  I encourage you to subscribe to my Twitter &/orFacebook feeds, where you’ll find material and research which doesn’t make it to this blog.
 
Racism / Discrimination
 
I’ve written here before about the extremist pro-settler views of Israeli police officer, Meir Rotter, who has often been known to provoke fights with Sheikh Jarrah protesters.  He is the son of Rabbi Rotter, who runs one of Israel’s most popular internet news portals, somewhat akin to the Drudge Report, if you can imagine Matt Drudge wearing a talit katan and knitted settler-style yarmulke.
 
After Facebook groups boasting of hundreds of Israeli members have sprouted urging the hanging of Israeli Palestinian MKs and real settler brutes have killed Palestinian farmers and maimed Israeli Jewish activists helping them, all of which ended in not just no criminal charges but not even an investigation, the State prosecutor willopen a criminal investigation (and in English) against Eyal Nir, a Ben Gurion University chemistry lecturer.
 
Political Developments / Diplomatic News
 
Occupation supplies Abbas’s forces with tear gas and rubber bullets
The Israeli occupation authorities provided Abbas’s Palestinian Authority and its security agencies with military supplies used in the suppression of masses and dispersing demonstrators.

European and Israeli diplomats say Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas was presented with a compromise proposal, but that he had yet to respond.
 

Israel Sends Note To UN, Claims Abbas Responsible For Escalation
As part of its international campaign to isolate the Palestinian Authority and its statehood application, the Israeli government sent a letter to UN Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, accusing Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas, of granting the Hamas movement a green light to fire shells into Israel. 

 

Bedouin Israeli in Egypt prison for 11 years to be freed next month in exchange for ‘political prisoners,’ Kuwaiti paper says.

 
Professor Julio Pino asks Ishmael Khaldi, the first Bedouin to serve in Israel’s foreign service, ‘how can the Israeli government justify providing aid with blood money from deaths of Palestinian children?’
 
Other News
 

Israeli professor suspected of distributing child pornography wanted in US
Professor Tzvi Tzfira charged in a federal criminal complaint and was declared a fugitive after leaving the US.

 

US: Haredi man sold Israeli organs
Levy Yitzhak Rosenbaum, an Israeli-American from Brooklyn pleads guilty to brokering illegal organ sales to wealthy buyers after being caught in FBI sting two years ago.

 
A group of Hasidim brutally attacked Avraham Hirschman, 36, a father of six, Thursday, resulting in his hospitalization with fractures and other serious injuries.
 
Other Mideast / U.S. News
 

Arab Spring activists win human rights award
Activists, including Tunisian fruit seller whose death sparked uprisings, awarded European parliament’s Sakharov Prize.

Egypt prison guards accused of torture death
Man’s death after allegedly being filled with water from hoses raises comparison to case that helped spark revolution.

 
US-Israeli national freed in Jerusalem-Cairo deal thanks Israeli, US officials who helped secure his release US-Israeli national Ilan Grapel held a press conference in Jerusalem on Thursday after returning to Israel from Egypt where he was held for four months on espionage charges. Grapel thanked the Israeli and American officials who helped secure his release as part of a prisoner exchange deal which saw 25 Egyptian prisoners freed. He thanked Egyptian authorities, who he said treated him well and with respect from day one. He related details from his time in the Egyptian prison: “It was a tough ordeal as I was isolated, but the guards were OK. What I wanted to eat, they gave me, including fresh fish. They paid for my meals, more than the average Egyptian would get.”
 

VIDEO: Cairo taxi drivers’ role in uprising
Mishal Husain has travelled across the Middle East for a BBC series, exploring how activists used social media to get their message out.

 
US congratulates Saudi Arabia on “hardline” crown prince despite fears about counter-reform stance: United States congratulates Saudi Arabia on selection of Crown Prince
New Crown Prince Nayif bin Abd al-Aziz, who is in his late 70s, has a reputation as being more conservative than either the former crown prince or king.
 

Saudi prince offers $900,000 to soldier abductors

Khaled bin Talal adds $900,000 to Saudi cleric’s $100,000 reward for whoever abducts Israeli soldier.

 

Syrian army operations continue in Homs
Activists say several people killed a day after fierce fighting breaks out between troops and army defectors.

 

Syrian Americans in Syria feel unfairly targeted by sanctions
Under the order signed by President Obama, an American working in Syria is deemed an exported service and in violation of the sanctions. The livelihoods of some have been devastated. Ahmad is not one of Syrian President Bashar Assad’s cronies.

 
NTC at odds with ICC over Gaddafi’s son
New leaders want Saif al-Islam to be tried for war crimes in Libya, rather than at the International Criminal Court.
 
Insurgents attacked a convoy of Afghan and international occupation troops on Friday in eastern Afghanistan, sparking a gunbattle that left about 30 militants dead, NATO said.
 
The attack killed more than 20 people, including three Australian NATO soldiers, who were killed by an Afghan soldier they had been training with — when he turned his gun on them, officials said. The military bus was blown onto its side and completely charred.
The Switchblade is a one kilogram (2.2 pound) expendable (used only once) UAV that can be equipped with explosives. The armed version can be flown to a target and detonated, having about the same explosive effect as a hand grenade.
A U.S. pilotless aircraft fired four missiles on a house in Mir Ali area in Pakistan’s North Waziristan tribal region Thursday night, killing at least six people, Dawn TV reported.
Around 2,000 Pakistanis demonstrated outside the country’s parliament yesterday to demand an end to US drone strikes, claiming they kill more innocent civilians than Taliban and Al-Qaeda leaders.
 

Congress Hears Recommendations for Escalating Covert and Military Action on Iran

“This was an act of war,” said Rep. Peter King (R-NY), Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee at a hearing on how the U.S. should respond to the alleged Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador in Washington.

 
Google Refused U.S. Government Request To Pull Police Brutality Video
A U.S. law enforcement agency petitioned Google to take down a YouTube video showing police brutality, the web giant revealed in a new report. Google said it refused the request, placed sometime between June and January of this year, though it did not specify why. ”We received a request from a local law enforcement agency to remove YouTube videos of police brutality, which we did not remove,” Google wrote in its Transparency Report. ”Separately, we received requests from a different local law enforcement agency for removal of videos allegedly defaming law enforcement officials. We did not comply with those requests, which we have categorized in this Report as defamation requests.”

Occupy Wall Street
 
Supporters of the Occupy movement held rallies and marches throughout California on Saturday, signs that the seven-week-old national movement continues to strike a local chord.

 
Amy Goodman reports on Democracy Now! ”thousands of people reclaimed the Occupy Oakland encampment in front of City Hall”  last night calling for a general strike on the city of Oakland. Violence inflicted on protestors by police Tuesday night resulted in Iraq War Veteran Scott Olsen being hospitalized with a fractured skull after being shot by police. The footage in this broadcast shows a projectile shot directly into the crowd of people running to the rescue of Olsen, already fallen and wounded. Goodman interviews Olsen’s close friend Aaron Hinde and Jesse Palmer, the man who carried Olsen to safety.
 

Occupy Oakland protesters regroup – Iraq vet hurt
Seeking to cool the violent tone set by Tuesday night’s street clashes with Occupy Oakland protesters, police pulled down barricades Wednesday near City Hall, dramatically reduced their presence and said they would…

 

Update on San Francisco Bay Area Occupations
Occupy Oakland won a resounding October 26 victory by mobilizing 3000 people to respond to a police riot. They took down the police fence that exiled them from the plaza in front of city hall, set up tents again, and returned to dancing and receiving massage and acupuncture treatments. Some 1500 people later attended a daily General Assembly and voted for a general strike on November 2. It would be the first one in the United States since l946, which was also in Oakland. Such a strike calls on workers and students to stay home from work and school and try to shut down the city. Downtown banks were also encouraged to close and demonstrators vowed to enter them if they did not.

 

Oakland mayor now claims to ‘support’ the occupation

After playing a key role in sparking a night of violence and bloodshed, Jean Quan, the mayor of Oakland, issued a statement late Wednesday saying that the city is in “support” of the “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrations taking place around the nation. The position is stunningly different than what Mayor Quan published to her personal Facebook account on Tuesday morning, shortly after police forcibly evicted the peaceful demonstrators from their camp.

 

This footage is proof that Scott Olsen was shot in the face by police without provocation during the Occupy Oakland march on Tuesday October 25. The moment leading up to the shooting, Olsen was standing completely still. He was then hit in the head with a tear gas canister, which is potentially fatal. Also, no rocks or bottles were thrown before Olsen was shot, contrary to Police statements. Two angles of footage confirm this.

 

Injured vet’s uncle appalled by police action (AP)
AP – An uncle of an Iraq War veteran injured when anti-Wall Street protesters clashed with police in Oakland, Calif., said he was appalled by officers’ action.

 

Occupy Oakland: Egyptian Protesters To Hold Pro-Occupy Rally Friday
Egyptian protesters who have camped out in Cairo’s Tahrir Square are set to march to the U.S. Embassy Friday, in a rally of support for the Occupy Wall Street movement.

 

Vigils for injured vet, police clear Tenn. protest (AP)
AP – Anti-Wall Street demonstrators held vigils for an Iraq War veteran seriously injured during a protest clash with police in California as some Occupy encampments came under growing pressure from authorities to abandon sites in parks and plazas.

 
In a “get well” video directed at Scott Olsen, the Marine whose skull was fractured by a police projectile in Oakland on Tuesday night, the faceless hacktivst group “Anonymous” pledges to honor the soldier’s sacrifice and stand in solidarity with him. “Scott Olson, it has come to our attention that you have been critically injured by the Oakland Police Department for standing up for the American peoples’ First Amendment Rights,” a digitized voice says in the video. “The honor and courage you have displayed on the battlefield is only overshadowed by the cowardice and dishonor displayed by those who have committed these inhumane crimes against you.
 
Occupy San Fernando Valley Targets Major Banks – Studio City, CA Patch
The Occupy San Fernando Valley, with about 20 people in the group,began its protest by targeting major banks in Van Nuys. After forming up outside Van Nuys City Hall about about 12:30 p.m., the protesters marched north on Van Nuys boulevard, and stopped in front of the Wells Fargo Bank branch on the corner of an Vanowen Street.

 

Twenty-nine protesters arrested in Nashville, Tennessee at 3 AM on Friday for refusing to comply with a newly-enacted city rule banning “overnight occupation” have been released after a judge refused to sign criminal trespassing warrants against them. According to The Tennessean, Night Court Magistrate Tom Nelson explained in an email to Davidson County’s General Sessions judges that “he ordered all of the protesters released from custody because the state had not given the protesters adequate notice that it was changing the rules.”

 
DENVER (Reuters) – Police in riot gear fired pepper balls and mace into a crowd of economic protesters in Denver on Saturday and arrested 20 after some people entered the grounds of the State Capitol, police said. Denver Police Spokesman Lt. Matt Murray said about 2,000 demonstrators from “Occupy Wall Street” protests against economic inequality marched peacefully through downtown Denver, as they have done for the past several Saturdays.
 

Police confront occupations in NYC, San Diego, Nashville, Raleigh
Protesters in the Occupy movement around the country faced arrests and evictions Thursday as thousands held vigils for injured Marine veteran Scott Olsen. At least 1,000 gathered in Oakland at the site where Olsen had his skull fractured just two days earlier. Olsen’s family said he was awake, lucid and awaiting surgery. “He’s able to understand what’s going on,” Highland General Hospital spokesman Warren Lyons explained at a news conference. “He’s able to write and hear but has a little difficulty with his speech.”

 
SAO PAULO — More than 400 activists on Thursday occupied the site of Brazil’s $11 billion Belo Monte hydroelectric dam, demanding that construction be halted on the controversial project in the heart of the Amazon. “Everything was peaceful — there were no guards or workers,” a spokesman for the Indigenous Missionary Council, a group linked to the Catholic Church, told AFP.

 

Occupy Wall Street: Many Cities Leaving Protesters Alone [LATEST UPDATES]
NEW YORK (AP) — While more U.S. cities are resorting to force to break up the Wall Street protests, many others – Philadelphia, New York, Minneapolis and Portland, Ore., among them – are content to let the demonstrations go on for now.

 

NY ‘Occupy’ demonstrators battle cold as storm moves in 
An early snowstorm has made its way up the northeast coast of the US, and is now proving to be a challenge for the Occupy Wall Street demonstrators who have set up camp in New York’s financial district. The snow is predicted to be between five to 10 cm over the next 24 hours. Tents started to spring up earlier this week but many people are still sleeping under makeshift tarpaulins, exposed to the weather. Volunteer medics say hypothermia is already a problem. Al Jazeera’s Kristen Saloomey reports from New York.

 
Occupy Wall Street Has Raised $450,000, Spent Just Over $50,000
ALBANY, N.Y. — A person close to the Occupy Wall Street protest in New York City says the demonstrators’ first financial report will show they have raised $454,000 and have spent just more than $50,000 in the movement’s first five weeks. The person provided the financial report to The Associated Press. The report was being released Friday evening in Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park, where the protesters have an encampment. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the spreadsheet analysis hadn’t been released.

 

Sgt. Shamar Thomas, the U.S. Marine who confronted New York City police in a now-famous video from the “Occupy Wall Street” protests, appeared on Keith Olbermann’s “Countdown” to discuss acts of police brutality against “Occupy” protesters, including Marine Scott Olsen, whose skull was fractured by police in Oakland. Thomas rallied veterans to march together Thursday in a show of solidarity with Olsen and to protect protesters from acts of violence by the New York Police Department. Keith asks Thomas about right wing allegations that the veterans at rallies are fakes, civilians dressed up in gear they got at surplus stores. “My whole family has served,” says Thomas, “I have served. I don’t lie about my service.”

 
Egyptian Youth Activists: We are Happy to See Occupy Wall Street Movement Stand Up for Justice
A pair of Egyptian police officers were sentenced Wednesday to eight years in prison for the beating death of 28-year-old man. The 2010 killing of Khaled Said helped to spark the Egyptian revolution that ultimately toppled the regime of Hosni Mubarak. The officers were both charged with manslaughter. Members of Said’s family and pro-democracy protesters argued the sentence was too light. Two Egyptian youth leaders, Ahmed Maher and Basem Fathy, join us in studio to talk about Egypt after the fall of Mubarak, as well as the growing protests they have witnessed in the United States. “Regarding the Occupy movement, … we are, in April 6 movement, and the activists in Egypt, standing for very clear values: social justice and democracy and justice in general,” says Fathy. “So we’re going to support this everywhere. And let’s say, frankly, that we’re happy for finding the people trying to correct the pathway of democracy even in the United States.”

 
‘Occupy’ protestors find allies in app makers
OAKLAND, California — US street protestors have won allies in software makers who have crafted programs that let smartphones fire off word of imminent arrest or let rallying cries be heard by crowds. A free “I’m Being Arrested” application was available on Thursday at the online Android Market stocked with programs for smartphones powered by the Google-backed software. “Alert your lawyer, loved ones, etc. that you are being arrested with a click,” said a description of the mini-program for activists taking part in the Occupy Wall Street protests which have spread to other US cities.
 
A flier and web-page making its way around Facebook and other social media recommends a solution of Maalox or other liquid antacids as an antidote to the eye pain, blindness, and respiratory distress related to tear gas attacks. The flier, which we found via “OccupyMARINES” states that it is distributed by “United We Rise”, an organization that supports, but is not directly affiliated with “Occupy Wall Street”.
 

Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
Televangelist Pat Robertson said Thursday on The 700 Club that Christians should not be involved in the “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrations in cities around the nation. His comment was picked up by the liberal watchdog website RightWingWatch.org. “I think this is a rebellion,” he said. “I think it is atavistic. Nobody knows exactly what it is, they don’t know what they’re doing, why are they there? Well they’re just mad. Well, is it right for a Christian to get involved in a protest of anger?”

 

Occupy Wall Street Protesters Prepare For Winter Weather
PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Wall Street protesters around the country who are vowing to stand their ground against the police and politicians are also digging in against a different kind of adversary: cold weather. With the temperature dropping, they are stockpiling donated coats, blankets and scarves, trying to secure cots and military-grade tents, and getting survival tips from the homeless people who have joined their encampments.

 
Analysis / Op-ed
 
Mai and Amane, Arab Israeli teenagers living in Nazareth, are happy to leave talk about boys and make-up to their peers. They have a political message and they’re telling it through rap music. The girls, only 15 and 16, make up the duo “Damar” — Arabic for “destruction” — whose mission is to expose what they say is the routine discrimination they experience growing up as part of Israel’s Arab minority. Mai Zarqawi and Amane Tattur formed Damar after meeting at school in the Jewish-Arab city of Nazareth in 2009, and discovering a shared interest in fighting for Palestinian rights. “We don’t hate Jews,” says Zarqawi. “We hate the idea of how Zionism came and took over our land and our culture and left us nothing.” They refuse to identify themselves as Arab Israeli, but rather as Palestinians living in Nazareth, home to some 72,000 people.
 

The Olive and the F-16: Autumn in Gaza
Today completes another week of olive picking in Gaza.  Another week of pausing, breaths held, as Israeli tanks the color of sand moved nearby along the buffer zone, another week of children frightened at the sound of roaring F-16s, another week below the watchful eye of the drone.

 
As I pass, my Palestinian scarf is hidden in my bag – I do not want to get any spit on me tonight. Around the tomb of Shimon HaTzadik, the festival is going on. The settlers have built a stage, erected a huge party tent and assembled a long line of portable toilets. Danceable klezmer music is booming from the loudspeakers and the Israeli police are present with horses and cordons. Children are playing around amidst guns and dancing men with beards and luminous bracelets.
 
For those of you seeking a comparison in the U.S. media that does justice to the role Nahum Barnea plays as Israel’s leading political columnist, you might go back to Walter Cronkite or Walter Lippman.  In terms of today’s media, you could compare him to Tom Friedman, though Barnea is far more read, known and popular in Israel than Friedman is here.

With the advent of the 99 Percent movement, some comparisons have been made between the occupations of various U.S. locations and the tent city that sprung up in Israel’s capital this summer. But journalist Max Blumenthal found another comparison, this one to events just across the so-called “Green Line” that divides Israel proper and the Occupied — no pun intended — Palestinian Territories. The company that supplied the police with“less-lethal” weapons used to break up the Occupy Oakland protest also supplies the Israel Defense Forces with the same sorts of weapons used to break up the un-armed West Bank Palestinian (and increasingly joint-) Popular Struggle for human rights and ending land-grabs by settlements.

 
Occupy Oakland protesters got a whiff of the weekly Palestinian experience  two nights ago when a crackdown complete with tear gas, rubber bullets and flash-bang grenades tore through their protest encampment. (See Adam Horowitz’s post here). The injury of Iraq War veteran and activist Scott Olsen, who is in the hospital with a fractured skull, adds to the obvious similarities seen in protest crackdowns in the U.S. and Palestine.
 

Occupy the Winter of Our Discontent
Can occupations survive a winter of global weirding, escalated police brutality, and the corporate media’s venom? Should they? In some parts of the country there will be no cold weather. In others, police abuses will result in larger occupations, not smaller. And it’s certainly possible that for the first time in recent years an independent progressive populist campaign will survive the enmity of the corporate media. In other cases, the cold, the communications assaults, fatigue, and the difficulties encountered by activist camps that also become homes for the homeless and the mentally ill may begin to erode the usefulness of encampments.

 

145 Responses

  1. annie
    October 30, 2011, 10:01 am

    9? israel wants war

    • annie
      October 30, 2011, 10:04 am

      i opened the link, it is up to 11 killed now

      Israel launches fresh air strike in Gaza
      At least two people reportedly killed in latest attack, raising Palestinian death toll to 11 and straining truce.

      • annie
        October 30, 2011, 10:09 am

        Sunday’s raid came hours after the Islamic Jihad movement in Gaza said it had accepted a ceasefire agreement.

        “The Islamic Jihad has responded [positively] to the truce effort, while it reserves its right to react to any aggression [by Israel],” Abu Ahmad, the spokesman for the movement’s armed wing, Al-Quds Brigades, said in a statement on Sunday.

      • DBG
        October 30, 2011, 10:11 am

        I don’t get why they start firing rockets in the first place. What is the point? is it an internal power play? are these rogue elements within Islamic Jihad?

      • dimadok
        October 30, 2011, 10:50 am

        It’s all black ops and false flags by Mossad and Shabak, as we have been warned here by the honorable panel of experts.

      • Potsherd2
        October 30, 2011, 10:50 am

        Rocket fire is almost invariably retaliatory. In other words, a response to Israeli aggression. It doesn’t materialize from nowhere.

        Perhaps it was in response to constant IDF incursions, firing at civilians, in order to provoke such a response.

      • Tal
        October 30, 2011, 11:08 am

        I don’t get why they start firing rockets in the first place

        Why did OBL start a war with America?
        They are fanatic fundamentalists. That’s why…

      • Walid
        October 30, 2011, 11:14 am

        DG, what provoked Israel’s attack that killed the Jihad guys in the first place?

        Or don’t you give a damn?

      • POA
        October 30, 2011, 11:23 am

        “I don’t get why they start firing rockets in the first place”

        Escalating expansion, settlers launching terrorist attacks daily, olive groves and crops being destroyed, Jerusalem being swallowed whole, monies being witheld, crippling sanctions, blockades, water stolen, illegal separation fences eating up land, fishermen targeted, children fired on and kidnapped and incarcerated……yadayadayada….

        Yeah, you people haven’t done anything wrong, have you? How dare those nasty heathens pick on you poor victimized Israelis.

      • piotr
        October 30, 2011, 11:40 am

        This is a good question, but one should probe the known facts before making conjectures.

        I think that the first killing in the sequence was IDF killing 2 militants who were observed in the process of preparing to launch a rocket. We do not know what led IDF to conclude that, and how accurate was that conclusion. Thus we have three scenario:

        1. Militiants were “rogue” and about to break the truce, and IDF did it for them.

        2. IDF made an inaccurate conclusion and thus both side perceive the other as breaking the truce.

        3. IDF deliberately broke the truce to create an incident.

        One can also surmise a continuum of scenarios. I strongly suspect that IDF was not accurate in the initial determination, but here I can rely only on the patterns from the past.

      • proudzionist777
        October 30, 2011, 12:27 pm

        Israel provoked by a rocket attack last Wednesday. Israel responded the following day.

      • James
        October 30, 2011, 12:45 pm

        >>Tal October 30, 2011 at 11:08 am

        I don’t get why they start firing rockets in the first place

        Why did OBL start a war with America?
        They are fanatic fundamentalists. That’s why…<<
        i admire your ability to refer to the usa as fanatic fundamentalists.. that is how i see it too… like meets like here, as it does in the i/p issue, although that is not how the hasbarists like to frame it, that is how many of us see it…

      • DBG
        October 30, 2011, 1:05 pm

        Walid, I linked to this on 10/26.

        link to mondoweiss.net

      • POA
        October 30, 2011, 1:13 pm

        Proudterrorist777…….

        Gee, on what day was the new huge housing complex in Jerusalem announced??? Or, uh, doesn’t that count as incitement?

        Expect them to lay down and play dead while you shit all over them, don’t you?

      • Walid
        October 30, 2011, 1:41 pm

        DBG, I missed that one. Will have to check deeper.

      • Walid
        October 30, 2011, 1:47 pm

        DBG, why the 3 or 4 day delay between the Gaza rockets and the Israeli air strikes?

      • dimadok
        October 30, 2011, 3:36 pm

        You know, it takes time to find the guys, pay off someone to deliver their location- the usual stuff in ME.

      • DBG
        October 30, 2011, 3:43 pm

        I don’t think there was a 3-4 day delay. They hit back the following day.

      • Shingo
        October 30, 2011, 4:13 pm

        I don’t get why they start firing rockets in the first place. What is the point?

        I don’t get why the rapre victim fought back in the first place. What is the point?

      • proudzionist777
        October 30, 2011, 4:13 pm

        No. I expect them to sit down and finally sign a comprehensive, unconditional, end of conflict peace deal.

        You have a problem with that?

      • eljay
        October 30, 2011, 4:19 pm

        >> DBG: I don’t get why they start firing rockets in the first place.
        >> POA: Escalating expansion, settlers launching terrorist attacks daily, olive groves and crops being destroyed, Jerusalem being swallowed whole, monies being witheld, crippling sanctions, blockades, water stolen, illegal separation fences eating up land, fishermen targeted, children fired on and kidnapped and incarcerated…

        Yeah, yeah, POA, but why? WHY?! I mean, all you’ve done is provide facts. What about emotion? What about narrative?! What about the Holocaust?!?!

      • Shingo
        October 30, 2011, 4:50 pm

        Israel provoked by a rocket attack last Wednesday. Israel responded the following day.

        The blockade/siege (ie. act of war) was in place last Wedneaday so Israel provoked it.

        BTW. Zionusm is racism, so it’s strange you should be proud of being racist.

      • POA
        October 30, 2011, 6:23 pm

        “You have a problem with that?”

        You mean with all the Israeli preconditions? No defense forces, continued Israeli expansion, cede over Jerusalem….etc….. yadayadayada….????

        Yeah, I really DO have a “problem” with how you scumbag hasbarists define “negotiations”.

      • Chaos4700
        October 30, 2011, 9:10 pm

        How do cease fires really end? And yes, DBG, we’ve heard your bullshit hasbara attempts to ignore statistical data, it doesn’t wash. Israel is the source of violence in this conflict.

      • proudzionist777
        October 30, 2011, 10:39 pm

        The rocket launching terrorists in Gaza chose to fire their rockets at Israel this week because low, dense cloud cover over Gaza gave the rocketers an optimal launching window. It’s really that simple.

      • proudzionist777
        October 30, 2011, 10:48 pm

        The Palestinians of Gaza have been rocketing Israel since the day she withdrew her settlements and troops from Gaza in 2005; a six year victory celebration.
        The naval blockade and ‘land siege of Gaza, began in 2009 and 2007 respectively, years after Israel’s withdrawal and years after the rockets began.

        I suggest your bolster your arguments rather than attack me.

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 12:06 am

        Might I suggest you answer for Israel killing FAR more civilians than Palestine? You haven’t accounted yet for that, nor for the fact that Israel is the party that overwhelmingly terminates periods where violence drops off.

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 3:08 pm

        nor for the fact that Israel is the party that overwhelmingly terminates periods where violence drops off.

        are you kidding?

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 5:52 pm

        No I am not and the numbers speak for themselves. It’s too bad you’re not smart enough to read them.

    • seafoid
      October 30, 2011, 10:35 am

      Israel desperately wants to draw attention away from the new Palestinian approach to the dead parrot that is the peace process.
      They have to get Gaza into the frame of the WORDS THAT WORK

      link to adc.org

      “WORDS THAT WORK

      “When facing a fanatical enemy, you have two options: deter or destroy. Saddam was not deterred by inspections. He was not deterred by threats. He was not even deterred by military action against him in 1991. And if had possessed nuclear weapons, nothing would have deterred him. For ten years the United Nations talked about deterrence, and for ten years Saddam defied the international community. Just as America had no choice but to remove him from power, Israel has no choice but to protect its borders and its people from terrorists who mean us harm.”

      WORDS THAT DO WORK

      “Whatever the root causes of the Palestinian-Israeli crisis, there are certain tragic cultural facts and differences that stand in the way of peace negotiations between the people of Israel and the Palestinians. No Israeli child has ever strapped a bomb to his back and gone off to kill civilian Palestinians, and yet the Palestinian leadership does too little to dispel the notion among its more extreme citizens that killing Israelis with a suicide bomb is the surest route to heaven. How can Israel deal with a population of parents that stand aside or even encourage their children to become martyrs?”

      If they can lure Gaza into another tit for tat they’ll try Cast Lead 2 . But will Gaza follow ?

    • Tal
      October 30, 2011, 11:04 am

      israel wants war
      ???
      Islamic Jihad wants peace? LOL.

      Islamic Jihad initiated this round of violence by shooting rockets at Civilians, last week. I have many friends in the southern parts of Israel who have to wake up their children in the middle of the night to siren alarms and walk them to security rooms.
      Anyone who considers himself/herself a humanist should equally denounce the warmongers in both sides of this conflict.

      • annie
        October 30, 2011, 11:55 am

        Islamic Jihad initiated this round of violence

        according to serial liars ( idf spokespeople/is gov ) they did. that means squat to me. and gee aren’t we all lucky it would never occur to israel to plant agent provocateurs amongst their intented targets, cuz they’re so moral and all that.

      • Am_America
        October 30, 2011, 12:34 pm

        This was from 10/26/11

        The rocket attack was the first since the deal that freed IDF soldier Gilad Schalit last week.

        link to jpost.com

        I am flabbergasted by how you can flatly deny this.

      • dimadok
        October 30, 2011, 12:38 pm

        Every Israeli spokesperson is a liar to you annie?
        How about Palestinians saying that their fighters were martyred? Or these were poor mentally disabled fishermen looking for scrapes at the remains of Israeli settlement, as usually claimed when someone gets killed by IDF? Pick your own scenario -fisherman, mental or bystander- they are always innocent, aren’t they?

      • annie
        October 30, 2011, 12:46 pm

        I am flabbergasted by how you can flatly deny this.

        don’t play word games with me, i’m not your tool.

      • annie
        October 30, 2011, 12:51 pm

        i need assistance can someone help me out here. does anyone have the link to that video of that ridiculous ‘caring’ woman during israel’s gaza massacre who kept saying how deeply concerned israel was ..or some other garbage like that.

      • justicewillprevail
        October 30, 2011, 1:11 pm

        am flabbergasted by how you can link to the jpost, as if that is a serious source of information

      • justicewillprevail
        October 30, 2011, 1:13 pm

        Every Israeli spokesperson is a liar to you annie?

        Yes, that is invariably correct. The rest of your post is pathetic.

      • dimadok
        October 30, 2011, 1:56 pm

        You may call me names, say “poop face” or something- it doesn’t change the facts. And there I know that we shall prevail.

      • annie
        October 30, 2011, 2:08 pm

        who are you talking to dimadok? is someone using an ad hominem crutch against you and i just missed it? why would anyone need to resort to calling you poop face? are you itching for a fight or something? calling idf spokespeople serial liars is not an ad hominem attack on you. it is my opinion. so take your silly suggestion designed to degrade the discourse on the thread and munch on it for an early sunday supper for all i care.

        good bye

      • POA
        October 30, 2011, 2:12 pm

        “….. it doesn’t change the facts. And there I know that we shall prevail”

        It is absurd seeing a shameless hasbarist drooling about “prevailing” with “facts”. The proposed concept is as ridiculous as the constant stream of lies is.

        I am always perplexed by the willingness with which these folks make fools of themselves. To me, its inexplicable. Why would anyone work so hard to earn our loathing?

      • Potsherd2
        October 30, 2011, 2:25 pm

        Of course Israeli spokesmen are liars. That’s their job. It’s the job of all government spokesmen, everywhere, but particularly in Israel where they have so much to cover up.

      • dimadok
        October 30, 2011, 3:35 pm

        Hello again. I was referring to childish response from justicewillprevail person. However calling everyone who does not fit your narrative liar makes your argument weak and foolish. Usually you, annie, reserve to asking for “a link/proof or something”, while being confronted by the unfavorable link/video you call them “liars”. That’s childish and hence requires “poop face” rhetoric.

      • Shingo
        October 30, 2011, 4:11 pm

        You may call me names, say “poop face” or something- it doesn’t change the facts. And there I know that we shall prevail.

        Facts have never helped you prevail in the past. What makes you think this time will be any different?

      • Shingo
        October 30, 2011, 4:21 pm

        How about Palestinians saying that their fighters were martyred?

        martyred means dying for the cause, which includes all vict

      • Shingo
        October 30, 2011, 4:54 pm

        The rocket attack was the first since the deal that freed IDF soldier Gilad Schalit last week.

        The mass demonstrations scheduled for Tel Aviv are also the first in months – Bibbi used Gaza an excuse then also to try and divert attention from the mass demonstrations.

      • justicewillprevail
        October 30, 2011, 6:00 pm

        Ah yes, facts, those inconvenient things you deny.

      • annie
        October 30, 2011, 6:20 pm

        I was referring to childish response from justicewillprevail person.

        what’s the time stamp on justicewillprevail’s response you are referencing dimadok? he just echoed your exact wording and responded to it. he didn’t call you a liar. why are you making up stuff and adding babytalk to it while accusing others of childishness? maybe you should try copy pasting this alleged ad hominem made against you because i can’t seem to find it.

        However calling everyone who does not fit your narrative liar makes your argument weak and foolish.

        there is a big difference between ‘everyone’ and idf spokespeople. you do not want to have a conversation about them you want to turn it to us, personally. it’s not working or haven’t you noticed.

      • seafoid
        October 30, 2011, 6:24 pm

        “Every Israeli spokesperson is a liar to you annie?”

        Is to me anyway. Zionism is mendacity.

        Israel is deeply sorry. Israel does not target civilians. there will be a full investigation into why these deaths happened. Saddened, sorrowful, did not target the building

      • dimadok
        October 30, 2011, 7:02 pm

        Semantics man, look at the semantics-martyred (aka killed during holy mission), killed or murdered (by IDF when it comes to civilians).

      • justicewillprevail
        October 30, 2011, 7:34 pm

        Actually I found dim’s childish attempt at denigrating Palestinian responses as ‘mental’, disabled etc particularly distasteful, which is why I do not feel the slightest need to respond seriously or post links etc. Which is why I called it pathetic, which it indeed is. Why is that baiters and trolls act like teenagers with a chip on their shoulder all the time? You just make fools of yourselves. I salute annie’s frequent patience and tolerance with your profound lack of humanity and threadbare ‘arguments’.

      • Charon
        October 30, 2011, 8:32 pm

        dimadok, they’re all liars. Even Peres. There is hardly any honest spokespeople for any country. They only tell the truth when they retire like that former Mossad head who said attacking Iran would be stupid. Most of the journalists are liars too except for the ones who tell the truth like Gideon Levy or Gilad Atzmon.

        Zionists love rhetorical questions. Do they teach that in Hasbara 101? Seriously, all four of your sentences are rhetorical questions. It’s ridiculous.

      • annie
        October 30, 2011, 8:36 pm

        thanks for digging up that video seafoid. this reminds me of something i just read:

        In terms of its 2008-2009 assault on Gaza – Operation Cast Lead, and its lethal attack on the Freedom Flotilla, Israel lost something more important than its reputation as a democracy. Israel lost its image of victimhood, and perhaps for the first time, was exposed clearly as a violent aggressor.

        and the controlled hasbara show they put on was out of this world. the demands of shaping the narrative for the press was a massive massive fail. many people who thought the idf spokespeople had even a shred of scruples before the war (not me) woke up and woke up bigtime. and the flotilla massacre with their fake ‘enhanced’ video and how could anyone forget the make believe auschwitz quote. seriously they will stoop as low as they are told. and the honorable ones? jailed.

        An Israeli court sentenced a former soldier to four and a half years in prison on Sunday for leaking classified military documents to a newspaper, which later reported allegations of a policy to assassinate Palestinian militants.

        alleged militants that is. no trial, against the law in israel and they jail courageous Anat Kamm.

        “If the army cannot trust the soldiers serving in various units and exposed to sensitive issues, then it cannot function as a regular army,” they also said.

        make believe spin. the whole narrative of the zionist state revolves around it.

      • Shingo
        October 30, 2011, 10:04 pm

        Semantics man, look at the semantics-martyred (aka killed during holy mission), killed or murdered (by IDF when it comes to civilians).

        Could you truy that again in English?

      • tree
        October 30, 2011, 10:41 pm

        Israel is deeply sorry. Israel does not target civilians. there will be a full investigation into why these deaths happened. Saddened, sorrowful, did not target the building.

        That Qana bombing from 2006 is a perfect example of why so many of us don’t believe what the IDF says on such occasions. Despite that spokesperson’s insistence in the video that the IAF did not “target” the building, the eventual Israeli whitewash of an investigation admitted that they did in fact target the building itself but claimed that they didn’t know there were civilians present. The Israeli military also at various times insisted that the building collapsed eight hours after the IAF hit it (and later admitted that was wrong), that Hezbollah had planted a bomb in the building to make Israeli look bad (also admitted as wrong), and that Hezbollah had prevented civilians from leaving Qana. Of course an international investigation found that the Qana civilians who remained said that, on the contrary, they stayed in Qana because the IDF had fired on civilians leaving the area, and that the only ordinance found at the building collapse was part of a 2000 ton bomb used by Israeli forces.

        And this appeared in Haaretz on August 2nd, 2006:

        “As the Israel Air Force continues to investigate the air strike [at Qana], questions have been raised over military accounts of the incident. It now appears that the military had no information on rockets launched from the site of the building, or the presence of Hezbollah men at the time. The Israel Defense Forces had said after the deadly air-strike that many rockets had been launched from Qana. However, it changed its version on Monday. The site was included in an IAF plan to strike at several buildings in proximity to a previous launching site. Similar strikes were carried out in the past. However, there were no rocket launches from Qana on the day of the strike.”

        And, from Wikipedia, the source for all of the above,

        On August 6 the IDF announced that a missile launcher located in the area of Qana which had fired rockets into Haifa was later destroyed in an Israeli airstrike.[52] As part of the announcement the IDF released a video of the launcher which showed three rocket launchers in an area the video described as “between Qana and Zidkin.” This area is a large uninhabited area to the southwest of Qana.

        link to en.wikipedia.org

      • annie
        October 30, 2011, 10:56 pm

        It now appears that the military had no information on rockets launched from the site of the building, or the presence of Hezbollah men at the time.

        i’m shocked!

      • tree
        October 30, 2011, 10:57 pm

        Could you truy that again in English?

        I think I understand what dimadok is trying to say and it stems from his misunderstanding of the word “shaheed”. He thinks it is only applied to fighters or suicide bombers in Palestinian culture when in fact the term is used to refer to anyone who is either killed in struggle(jihad) or killed unjustly. All Palestinians killed by Israelis are considered shaheed, whether fighters or innocent children killed while minding their own business in their own homes.

        The problem comes from the use of the term “martyr” as a translation of shaheed, because “martyr” has the connotation of a chosen death for a cause in its ordinary English usage which is not necessarily applicable to the Arabic term. However, you’d think an Israeli should be a little bit better informed about Palestinian culture.

      • Shingo
        October 30, 2011, 11:01 pm

        Speaking of the 2006 Qana bombing, it’s hardly surprising that it took place on the 10th anniversary of the 1996 Qana massacre, that Israel also denied any role in until a video tape emerged proving Israel’s guilt.

      • annie
        October 30, 2011, 11:01 pm

        thank you for pointing that out tree. i recall the charlie rose interview w/meshaal when he said (according to the translation) every palestinians who dies in this conflict or for palestine is a martyr. he probably used the term “shaheed”.

      • Shingo
        October 30, 2011, 11:05 pm

        i’m shocked!

        Yeah me too.

        It’s not like Israel have been caught balaming Hamas/Palestinians when they know otherwise.

        Israeli military covers up evidence showing Eilat attack was not carried out by Palestinians
        link to sabbah.biz

      • Walid
        October 31, 2011, 1:24 am

        Annie, the grand master liar was Marc Regev. This BBC video shows him at his best when asked about Israelis killing Gaza women carrying white flags.

      • Walid
        October 31, 2011, 2:55 am

        “… All Palestinians killed by Israelis are considered shaheed, whether fighters or innocent children killed while minding their own business in their own homes. ”

        tree, I also have problems with the dramatic oversuse, misuse and abuse of the word in the Arabic language. A person getting run over by a car or hit by a Apache-launched missile while minding his own business in his home is not bearing witness to anything other than to an accident or a cold-blooded assassination. A suicide bomber dying on a mission to kill civilians is anything but a martyr in the religious “witness” sense since he commits 2 sins in Islam that condemns suicide as well as the killing of civilians. More often than not, the distinction between “victim” and “martyr” is not made.

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 6:08 am

        Annie

        Have you seen the video of Israeli TV anchor Shlomi Eldar talking to Dr. Ezz-El-Din Abu El-Aish minutes after the IDF has blown up his house killing 3 of his daughters, his brother and 3 of his nieces ? It captures the insanity of Israel very well. Eldar offers to contact the IDF to send an ambulance to the house because he knows they know where it is. They bombed it. The angel of death can be replaced by a nice tikkun olam ambulance. And everyone can turn off the TV with a nice feeling that the Magen David Alom has done another good job.

        link to richardsilverstein.com

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 6:10 am

        Walid

        Kul shaheed habib Allah. That is what it says on the tin

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 6:14 am

        Especially Peres. It takes a lot of lies to keep the system going. Barak is another joke. Anyone who makes it to the top in Israel is by definition a sociopath. And then there is all the tikkun olam and Jewish morailty to consider. It is a real car crash.

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 3:14 pm

        OK, I think I get wikipedia now. It isn’t trustworthy unless it is used AGAINST Israel.

      • lareineblanche
        October 31, 2011, 3:28 pm

        THIS :
        Potsherd2 October 30, 2011 at 2:25 pm :
        “Of course Israeli spokesmen are liars. That’s their job. It’s the job of all government spokesmen, everywhere, but particularly in Israel where they have so much to cover up.”

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 5:53 pm

        I guess it’s too much to expect someone who hasn’t even grauduated high school to understand a heady concept like academic integrity.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        October 30, 2011, 1:45 pm

        Should I cry over those dead Nazi soldiers, who were killed all over Europe??
        Shoud I feel pity for them??
        Should I burn candles on their graves and forget about millions of innocent souls, who thanks to Nazi soldiers being a willing part of a cruel war machine, had to say an early farewell to the world??
        Should I cry over dead , killed Nazis, and do not pay any attention to the millions of victims of their crimes????

      • American
        October 31, 2011, 10:27 am

        Does the IDF cry over the dead innocent Palestine civilians?
        Do they?

        Are all Israelis in the IDF a ‘willing” part of the slaughter of Palestines?

      • Potsherd2
        October 30, 2011, 2:27 pm

        Tal – children in Gaza have no “security rooms.” They’re wakened at night by bombs dropping on their homes.

        Don’t expect people to feel sorry for the privileged.

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 5:18 am

        “I have many friends in the southern parts of Israel who have to wake up their children in the middle of the night to siren alarms and walk them to security rooms”

        they think Israel is like this :

        link to youtube.com

        But have no idea of the system. You have understand the system . It’s Katy Perry style TGIF for half of the population while the other half barely have enough food.

        Gaza is a lock down for all the non Jews who don’t belong in TGIF and don’t even know who Katy Perry is.

        Israelis can’t manufacture security anyway.

  2. Tal
    October 30, 2011, 11:10 am

    The Islamic Jihad has responded [positively] to the truce effort,

    Of course they did. They shoot at civilians and then shed crocodile tears when their militants gets killed.

    • POA
      October 30, 2011, 12:22 pm

      Tal………

      There is no sense in posting the statistics that outline the TRUE numbers in terms of fatalities and injuries. You already know the facts. You just choose to ignore them.

      Frankly, it is despicable. The lopsided nature of this “conflict” is glaring in its horrible disparities of human suffering from one side to the other.

      Were I Palestinian, I’d be killing Israelis too. You bet your life, if I had a rocket, that puppy would be coming through your front door.

      I can’t help but wonder, just how the hell do you expect the Palestinians to react to Israel’s oppressive and murderous policies and constant expansion? Kisses and hugs??? Brotherly love???

      I’m sick to death of you Israelis playing the victim card while you gobble up land, oppress and murder, starve, loot, and humiliate the Palestinians.

      You better damned well pray that your policies CHANGE, because word is getting out. When pro-Palestinian points of view are aired in papers and campuses in areas such as red-neck Bakersfield California, you better believe the narrative is changing. Israel’s bullshit is on borrowed time, and time is running out.

      Change your ways, or disappear. Its inevitable. You’re on your way OUT, zionist.

      GOOD RIDDANCE.

      Turn Israel into what it CLAIMS to be, not what it HAS BECOME.

      • seafoid
        October 30, 2011, 5:07 pm

        “I’m sick to death of you Israelis playing the victim card while you gobble up land, oppress and murder, starve, loot, and humiliate the Palestinians. ”

        Me too. Moaning about the Holocaust and “never again” while abusing to the Palestinians. And the Gaza danse macabre is on again.
        What is the point of a Jewish state that is anathema to the values of Judaism?

      • Am_America
        October 30, 2011, 8:40 pm

        you are the only one who has brought up the Holocaust seafoid.

      • James
        October 30, 2011, 9:43 pm

        i don’t think the jewish state has anything to do with judiasm… it would be like saying the holy crusade had something to do with christianity.. both religions have not been able to teach those who profess to belong to the religion anything about morals or ethics as witnessed in how they treat those not a part of their special religious nut club…

      • RoHa
        October 30, 2011, 10:57 pm

        “it would be like saying the holy crusade had something to do with christianity.”

        The Crusades had nothing to with Christianity? Which crusades are these?

      • James
        October 30, 2011, 11:32 pm

        roha – what i am saying is organized religion is a bunch of bullshit… they do exactly opposite of what they are supposed to represent… doesn’t matter whether it is christianity or judiasm or any other organized world religion…

      • annie
        October 31, 2011, 12:04 am

        there are some good people who try to do good things in organized religion.

        Divestment campaign against Apartheid Israel endorsed by New England Methodists

        i can find other examples from other religions i am sure.

      • RoHa
        October 31, 2011, 12:51 am

        “they do exactly opposite of what they are supposed to represent”

        The Abrahamic religions are supposed to represent a cruel, bloodthirsty, spiteful sky monster who is going to kill everyone and then torture all those who either didn’t kiss his arse or kissed it in the wrong way.

        The followers try hard, but they don’t represent him well enough. Too many soft-hearted wimps among them give in to their sense of human decency and morality. They start doing the good things annie mentioned. Bunch of sissies.

    • Shingo
      October 30, 2011, 4:14 pm

      They shoot at civilians and then shed crocodile tears when their militants gets killed.

      Yes, I know what you mean Tal, though no IDF militants weer killed as I recall.

      link to mondoweiss.net

    • Charon
      October 30, 2011, 9:11 pm

      Tal, it’s funny if you take what you and other Hasbarists say and change it to the opposite, it resembles the truth. Zionists can crocodile tear on command, especially when talking about Hamas and rockets or the holocaust.

      This Carlos Latuff drawing pretty much sums up the truth:

      link to stopthewarnow.net

      Targeting civilians is stupid. The fact is that Israel attacks far more civilians than their ‘enemies’ ever do. At this point considering Zionist behavior I don’t feel sorry for Israel, the school bus children, the Fogels, etc. Israeli press showed the gory photos of the Fogel’s crime scene to generate a strong emotional response and anger, to justify Israel’s ongoing use of brutal ‘never again’ force. Nevermind they were Ultra Orthodox nutters living in a settlement in occupied Palestine. Nobody deserves that, but giving the circumstances and the status quo, they were asking for it and I personally don’t feel bad.

    • Chaos4700
      October 30, 2011, 9:12 pm

      Bullshit, considering Israel murders civilians at a tenfold rate compared to Palestinians total — lumping all of the disparate groups into one.

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 3:20 pm

        tenfold? care to prove that? how about starting in 2000.

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 5:58 pm

        124 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,463 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

        That information is presented prominently here and to save you the trouble of an ad hominem or other idiocy, it’s sourced from these

        Granted, that’s only the numbers with respect to children. So at the very least, Israel kills more than ten children for every Israeli child that has died. And that’s even just since 2000 like you demanded! Want me to go back further? Because I can.

  3. Shingo
    October 30, 2011, 4:38 pm

    These attacks on Gaza correspond with the renewal of the mass demonstrations in Tel Aviv. Participants in the demonstrations are accusing Bibbi of inciting violence in Gaza to try and distract attention away from these rallies.

    • seafoid
      October 30, 2011, 6:00 pm

      Bibi can play lefty Israelis like a violin. All that propaganda they suck up from Kindergarten leaves them defenceless when there is violence in Gaza.

    • Charon
      October 30, 2011, 8:56 pm

      It worked last time. The headlines talked about the social protests for weeks and all of a sudden it was buried and they fizzled after that Sinai thing they still don’t even know who is responsible for (but bombed Gaza just in case it was them)

  4. Avi_G.
    October 30, 2011, 5:16 pm

    While the Zionist brains here attempt to decipher the developments of the last 48 hours, one basic fact needs to be made clear; no Palestinian organization stands to benefit from breaking a ceasefire agreement when more than 500 additional Palestinian political prisoners are due to be released soon.

    The only party that benefits is Israel as it can then quietly renege on its prisoner-exchange agreement and keep the Palestinian prisoners.

    Hamas were duped by Israel.

    • RoHa
      October 30, 2011, 7:30 pm

      Renege on an agreement?

      Israel?

      Never.

      I’m shocked – shocked – that you could suggest such a thing!

  5. seafoid
    October 30, 2011, 6:03 pm

    “Israeli airstrikes” is far more sexy than “indiscriminate Israeli bombing of densely populated urban areas”

    • Charon
      October 30, 2011, 8:39 pm

      Indiscriminate Israeli bombing of densely populated urban areas is the textbook definition of an Israeli airstrike. Just like ‘unprovoked and unnecessary attack’ is their definition of ‘preemptive war’ and ‘hostile immorality’ is their definition of ‘moral’

      Bigoted racist fascism and apartheid disguised as faux self-determination is the definition of Zionism.

      Our news was ‘nice’ enough to censor the pics from cast lead and the Lebanon/Hezbollah war showing all the carnage and destruction in such urban areas.

  6. justicewillprevail
    October 30, 2011, 6:07 pm

    It is punitive, probably over the prisoner release, with the hope that various factions in Gaza will retaliate, so that Israel can unleash more of its overpowering force, and they can feel good about themselves. Insecurity makes bullies and cowards more aggressive and in need to bolster their self-image as cruel and heartless ‘warriors’, by picking on defenceless, poor people with no risk to themselves. They need serious psychiatric help.

  7. POA
    October 30, 2011, 7:52 pm

    So much for “Iron Dome”, eh???? Did they shut it off to change the batteries? A glitch in the doohickey? Operators on a coffee break???

    Or….uh…..

    Haaretz has an IDF video up of “Palestinians preparing to fire a rocket”.

    Uhm, just call me dense, but, if the IDF is watching these guys “prepare to fire a rocket”, wouldn’t it be just a teensy weensy bit prudent to stop these heathen savages in their tracks? But noooooo, the video shows no such action.

    So, uh, what is the reason to allow these folks to continue their nefarious chore?

    Uh oh……

    • Charon
      October 30, 2011, 8:52 pm

      This is Israel, the ‘only democarcy’ in the ME with the world’s most ‘moral’ army. They are too ‘civilized’ to barbarically launch a preemptive strike to stop those rockets from being fired. (nevermind all those preemptive wars)

      Better wait until they hit a school bus or something, give the papers a tragedy to cry about and scare people and give a week’s worth of headlines like ‘Bus driver feared for life’ and ‘injured student saw “death to Jews” written on rocket’

      Gives another excuse to use against critics. “These people continue to fire rockets, even after we released 500 of those savage terrorists”

      And even though the Hasbarists play it out like it’s a joke, Israel has been caught with their pants down MULTIPLE times pretending to be the ‘bad guy’ or press photographers as in the case of Salvador Guersson Smecke and Saur Ben Zvi who were arrested in the Mexican Congress carrying 9-mm pistols, nine grenades, explosives, three detonators, and 58 bullets where they were likely going to blow it up and blame it on Muslims. So the Hasbarists can laugh all they want, that’s because they’re trying to make it sound like it’s ridiculous and unbelievable to convince others to shrug off anybody bringing it up.

    • Chaos4700
      October 30, 2011, 9:18 pm

      Iron Dome was a “defense” industry scam the whole time. It only existed at all to boondoggle millions (possibly a billion or more) in money, mostly from US taxpayers, to accomplish nothing substantial.

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 3:06 pm

        Do you care to show us where the majority of Iron Dome is funded by the US?

        link to en.wikipedia.org

        As for it’s capabilities, it is far from a scam:

        link to en.wikipedia.org

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 5:49 pm

        I’ll bet you believed there were nukes in Iraq and that waterboarding isn’t really torture too, right?

        Israel shelled out $1 billion for Iron Dome. We give them $3 billion each year. So yes, we paid for it. It’s just Obama is planning to give Israel even more money in the future.

        In May 2010, the White House announced that U.S. President Barack Obama would seek $205 million from U.S. Congress in his 2011 budget, to spur the production and deployment of additional Iron Dome batteries. White House spokesman Tommy Vietor stated, “The president recognizes the threat missiles and rockets fired by Hamas and Hezbollah pose to Israelis, and has therefore decided to seek funding from Congress to support the production of Israel’s short range rocket defense system called Iron Dome.” This would be the first direct U.S. investment in the project.[12] Such financial assistance could expedite the completion of the defensive system, which has long been delayed by budgetary shortfalls.[13] A few days later, on May 20, 2010, the U.S. House of Representatives approved the funding in a 410-4 vote.[14] The bill, the United States-Israel Missile Defense Cooperation and Support Act (H.R. 5327), was sponsored by Representative Glenn C. Nye of Virginia.[15] This money was expected to be included in the 2011 budget.

        Are you really so stupid that you didn’t even read what you linked?

        No fewer people are dying from Gazan rocket attacks than were in the past, and Israel is spending even more money trying to take rockets out of the air than what it costs to just fix the damage when it happens.

        But that’s pretty easy since Israelis are using Uncle Sam’s credit card to pay for it all.

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 6:55 pm

        Wow, you are a toolbox. Israel pays for 1 billion out of the 1.2 billion spent on Iron Dome. I don’t know where you were educated, but I feel sad for those educated there if they are being taught that a majority or ‘most’ is 16-17%

      • Shingo
        November 1, 2011, 2:03 am

        We all appreciate your Forrest Gump impersonation Am_America, but it’s all a bit cliche. We already get that you are a text book anti intellectual hasbrats.

        Israel pays for 1 billion out of the 1.2 billion spent on Iron Dome with what exactly? The momey the US gives them of course.

    • Chaos4700
      October 30, 2011, 9:19 pm

      So, uh, what is the reason to allow these folks to continue their nefarious chore?

      Avoiding unnecessary friendly fire, perhaps? If it looks staged, and it smells staged…

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 3:01 pm

        OK, I think I understand. the Mossad masquerades as IJ militants within Gaza. They fire rockets into Israel, klling Israelis, and they spend 70K a piece to shoot down their own rockets.

        you are mensa material.

    • Shingo
      October 30, 2011, 10:09 pm

      Yes POA,

      It seems they are asking that question.

      Where was Iron Dome?
      link to ynetnews.com

      So, uh, what is the reason to allow these folks to continue their nefarious chore?

      Political amunition no doubt.

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 9:02 am

        Gee, Israelis should demand a refund of the American taxpayer money they spent on that.

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 3:00 pm

        Iron Dome intercepts three rockets fired at southern Israel; other rockets explode in open areas.

        Iron Dome is continue to get the job done. Raytheon, a US arms company, will make plenty of $$$ of this once sold to other countries.

        link to haaretz.com

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 3:45 pm

        Ha! Who’s going to buy this crap when it demonstrably doesn’t work? Like “Star Wars” and the Missile Defense Shield, it’s poorly developed, poorly deployed and is founded on unsound design principles.

        It costs $70,000 in US tax money to try to shoot down each rocket (and fail most of the time). Building a Qassam probably costs less than $40 in materials and doesn’t take a whole hell of a lot of expertise. On economic principles alone, the bottle rockets are winning.

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 4:10 pm

        Fail most of the time? source? it is highly affective, but not 100%.

        the Qassam takes costs roughly 800 dollars and I’d like to see you make one. The Qassam has become a think of the past also, Grads are the “new” tech being fired from Gaza.

        as for the US paying for the missiles, again you don’t know what you are talking about, mensa man.

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 4:55 pm

        The grammar in your post is atrociously wrong, never mind the factual integrity. Why don’t you write something worth responding to, and then I’ll consider replying? Otherwise, go back to the hasbara little leagues.

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 6:39 pm

        Here is your factual integrity, please reply. I know these sources aren’t either Maan News or the PNN, so it might be hard for you to believe. So if you can find information which contradicts these facts, then we’ll talk.

        1.)effectiveness of the Iron Dome
        link to janes.com

        2.)price of the Qassam
        link to jewishpolicycenter.org

        3.)recent upsurge of Grad rockets
        link to ynetnews.com

        4.)Us funding of Iron Dome.
        link to en.wikipedia.org

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 6:54 pm

        So your only sources are neocon war blogs, Zionist press shills, and Wikipedia entries that discredit your own claim (as I demonstrated here).

        Yes, I’m sure the people who traffic in war machines always insist that their products work. Even when they don’t. Sham-WOW!

      • DBG
        October 31, 2011, 7:08 pm

        Easy on the facts America

      • Shingo
        October 31, 2011, 7:28 pm

        1.)effectiveness of the Iron Dome

        90% kill rate doesn’t equal 90% effectiveness. Akll it means is that it hit 90% of the incomming rockets it tried to hit.

        Even Israel admit that the system is useless against a simultaneous attack.

        2.)price of the Qassam

        The letahlity fo Qassams is less that 0.01%. Qassams don’t even carry explosive charges meanign that they are harmless unless they actually land on you.

        3.)recent upsurge of Grad rocket

        Goes hadn in hand with the recent upsurge in Israeli bombing of Gaza.

        4.)Us funding of Iron Dome.

        Meaningless. The US blew billionn on fradulent scehemes in Iraq. Iron Dome is pocket change and a cheap way to buy votes from the Lobby.

      • Shingo
        October 31, 2011, 7:29 pm

        Raytheon, a US arms company, will make plenty of $$$ of this once sold to other countries.

        No they wont. Raytheon will make plenty of $$$ selling it to the US government, along with all the other useless crap they sell them.

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 7:39 pm

        To be fair, Shingo, Qassams do have an explosive charge. It’s just that the “warhead” is literally only 20 kg or less of dynamite packed into the nose cone. No barometric detonators, no fuses, no electronics of any sort — just something that goes “boom” when it hits the first solid surface it touches at launch speeds.

        And that can’t possibly cost $800 (and even the entry he linked says “up to $800″)

      • Am_America
        November 1, 2011, 12:05 am

        Many of my rebuttals to these clowns aren’t showing up. Is this common to silence the minority opinion on Mondoweiss? Is this why it is so popular amongst the anti-Israel crowd?

      • annie
        November 1, 2011, 12:29 am

        gee what an interesting question/not. to tell you the truth i can’t recall much in the way of rebuttals from you , just a slew of silly rhetorical questions. it seems like you comment a lot but it doesn’t make me curious what we are missing. try upgrading your ‘rebuttals’. go back to hasbara central and inform them asking 50 stupid questions a day won’t cut it on the best i/p website on the internet. maybe they can give you some good advice.

        ps, you bore me. try harder.

      • Chaos4700
        November 1, 2011, 12:58 am

        Calling us “these clowns” doesn’t help, I know a lot of my posts get bounced when I’m at my most enraged and I lose my civility.

        So how does it feel, being stripped of privilege? Welcome to the 99%.

  8. Djinn
    October 31, 2011, 5:08 am

    I understand not wanting to block people from MW no after how base their efforts at Hasbara but it would be REALLY sweet if individual posters could block having to see their drivel. Especially on threads like this one where the junior school have joined in.

  9. jon s
    October 31, 2011, 8:24 am

    The name of the civilian man killed by a rocket in Ashkelon is Moshe Ami, age 56, a father of four.
    Here in Beersheva we’ve had a tense few days, but, fortunately , no casualties and no damage this time (so far..). “Iron Dome” may have intercepted a few.

    • Richard Witty
      October 31, 2011, 9:00 am

      Stay safe.

      I’m sure it is traumatic to have rockets fired at you, just for breathing.

      • James North
        October 31, 2011, 10:19 am

        Richard Witty said, ‘The next time I learn about Israelis firing weapons at Palestinians I will also encourage Palestinian visitors to Mondoweiss to “stay safe.” I’m aware that many of our visitors have family members in Gaza and the West Bank, and I care about them just as much as I care about Israelis.’

      • Richard Witty
        October 31, 2011, 10:26 am

        Your kidding James, right?

        You don’t believe that this individual that you now have some personal indirect connection to, is a target of random shelling?

        That isn’t part of your math at all?

      • eljay
        October 31, 2011, 12:00 pm

        >> I’m sure it is traumatic to have rockets fired at you, just for breathing.

        The Palestinians – ethnically cleansed (“currently not necessary”) from their homes and lands and subjected to 60+ years of ON-GOING Israeli aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction and murder just for breathing – must feel at least as traumatized.

        >> JN: Richard Witty said …

        Yeah, but you just know he didn’t mean it. ;-)

      • Richard Witty
        October 31, 2011, 12:18 pm

        Absolutely.

        Lets stop it all, especially knowing that it feeds on each other.

        Don’t fail to express sympathy to Jon, just because he has different political perspective and experience. Extend sympathy, please.

      • Avi_G.
        October 31, 2011, 11:43 pm

        Richard Witty October 31, 2011 at 12:18 pm

        Absolutely.

        Lets stop it all, especially knowing that it feeds on each other.

        Don’t fail to express sympathy to Jon, just because he has different political perspective and experience. Extend sympathy, please.

        This is the blindness about which I was talking earlier.

        With “partners” like you for peace, who needs enemies? You really think too highly of yourself, too, don’t you?

        You must think that Zionist blood is just so rich in white blood cells or something.

        But, do go on lecturing others. May the shmuck in the sky have mercy on your soul.

        Oh and by the way, speaking of “express[ing] sympathy, please”, you and jon can kiss my ass, you hypocrites.

      • jon s
        October 31, 2011, 10:23 am

        Thanks, Richard.

      • jon s
        October 31, 2011, 3:27 pm

        This evening the siren caught me on the road between Beersheva and Omer, on my way to pick up my wife from her work. Had to make a quick decision: pull over, get out and take cover, as some drivers were doing, or continue driving, as others were doing. I decided, what the hell, keep going. Not exactly the recommended thing to do. The siren ended and I heard a distant boom. My daughter called my cellphone, I told her I’m ok, still on my way to pick up her Mom. In Omer, my wife had gone down to the basement. On the radio: rocket fired at Beersheva, apparently intercepted by Iron Dome.

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 3:54 pm

        Fucking great, of course while there was a cease fire you had almost no rockets to worry about ( link to huffingtonpost.com ) and then you decided to break it.

        And now there are thousands of Palestinians who have stories similar to you, except their limbs got blown off of their home was destroyed or they lost their children to a white phosphorous inferno or their family is starving because you won’t let them fish or farm or import food or even relief supplies without getting your cut.

        Do you really want sympathy, jon? Just shut up. Nobody cares. Witty doesn’t fucking care, to him it’s just his “Inglorious Basterds” delusion. You chose to fight a war of oppression and apartheid. I think what sucks is that you’ll probably never know what real suffering is, like what you monsters inflict on Gaza year after year after year.

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 4:13 pm

        I’ve been blogging here for about 3 or 4 days now and you’ve linked to that outdated Huffington Post nonsense around 5 times. What exactly does it prove? How is it relevant to the current round of fighting between the IJ and Israel?

        Mensa must be proud.

      • annie
        October 31, 2011, 4:22 pm

        I’ve been blogging here for about 3 or 4 days now

        we noticed. have you permanently taken up residence here? isn’t there some site missing you that you have to run off to, someplace you might be appreciated?

      • James North
        October 31, 2011, 4:23 pm

        Shift change at Hasbara Central.

      • Sumud
        October 31, 2011, 4:42 pm

        I’ve been blogging here for about 3 or 4 days now…

        Oh really…?

        Adam Horowitz and Phil Weiss (and whoever they invite to write articles) are the bloggers, not you.

        Is this a usual zionist trait – to not know your place as a guest, and try to take over wherever you go?

      • DBG
        October 31, 2011, 7:08 pm

        Hang in there Jon we are all thinking about you. Praying for you and your family.

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 7:51 pm

        Meanwhile, people like DBG and Witty say that Furkan Dogan’s family can go f&@k themselves.

      • Avi_G.
        October 31, 2011, 11:36 pm

        Sumud October 31, 2011 at 4:42 pm

        I’ve been blogging here for about 3 or 4 days now…

        Oh really…?

        Adam Horowitz and Phil Weiss (and whoever they invite to write articles) are the bloggers, not you.

        Is this a usual zionist trait – to not know your place as a guest, and try to take over wherever you go?

        Pffff…..A blog’s nothing after one’s taken an entire country.

      • annie
        October 31, 2011, 11:53 pm

        Shift change at Hasbara Central.

        gotta hand it to ‘em..they just keep pluggin’ away. must be those eveready batteries.

    • Chaos4700
      October 31, 2011, 9:01 am

      Do you know the name of ANY Palestinians your country has killed? Just the “terrorist” victims, maybe?

      Call us when 350 Palestinian children mean at least as much to you as one Israeli colonist.

    • POA
      October 31, 2011, 11:19 am

      “The name of the civilian man killed by a rocket in Ashkelon is Moshe Ami, age 56, a father of four”

      A pity the Israeli leadership sacrifices these Jews in order to drive home a racist and expansionist agenda, isn’t it? Maybe Jews could stop dying if Israel would negotiate in good faith, and stop demanding preconditions to talks.

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 11:58 pm

        if 1 dead Israeli is a pity, what is 1400+ dead Palestinians sacrificed by Hamas? I call it a disaster.

        As for preconditions, which preconditions are those?

        link to bbc.co.uk

      • Shingo
        November 1, 2011, 1:41 am

        The des idiom to sacrifice 1400 Palestinians was Israel’s and Israel’s alone. Israel chose to end the ceasefire because they feared that the longer it lasted, the more powerful Hamas were becoming.

      • Chaos4700
        November 1, 2011, 3:15 am

        I’m sorry, did you miss the part where the people who murdered all those Palestinians were soldiers with Stars of David on their armbands?

        You know what makes the modern Israeli different from the biblical Hebrew? Abraham didn’t actually sacrifice children to God.

      • POA
        November 1, 2011, 10:50 am

        “As for preconditions, which preconditions are those?”

        Any Palestinian state must be militarily defenseless, settlement expansion will not be halted, recognition of a “Jewish State”, and on and on and on…

        These are not “preconditions” to talks and a permanent settlement? Its quite enlightening to note how you scumbags define words and terms according to a biased and disingenuous mindset. The most telling is your definition of the word “negotiate”.

        You disgust me.

  10. seafoid
    October 31, 2011, 8:33 am

    link to nybooks.com

    David Shulman :
    It is one thing to say that the Israeli army does not deliberately target civilians as a matter of policy, quite another to exonerate that army from its direct responsibility for the deaths of at least 759 civilians in Gaza during the Cast Lead Operation (according to the reliable figures of B’Tselem). Invidious comparisons to Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan are of no help here. Hamas has its own burden of guilt to bear—who would deny it?—but Israel must also be held responsible for its actions. This is not the first time (nor, I fear, will it be the last) that Israel fought in “asymmetrical” conditions, with an enemy surrounded by innocent civilians. There was, however, a time, not so long ago, when even the Israeli army itself would not have stooped to the kind of arguments Mr. Robinowitz insists on making.

    Note the casual tone of Mr. Robinowitz’s footnote: “There were approximately 1,300 casualties in Gaza…. Hamas states that six hundred to seven hundred were combatants (Haaretz, November 9, 2010). The others were civilians.” Those “others” were not faceless cannon fodder. Each of them was a living, innocent human being who found himself or herself in an impossible situation. Some were killed by the widespread use of white phosphorus in Israeli bombardments, a war crime by any account. Others died because of the overwhelming firepower brought to bear on areas still populated by civilians. Some, no one knows how many, were killed because the rules of engagement were changed to allow for a zero-risk policy: soldiers were told to shoot at anything that moved in the occupied areas of northern Gaza.

    Incidentally, the evidence to this effect is by no means “based on hearsay and anecdotes,” as Mr. Robinowitz says. The veterans’ organization Breaking the Silence has collected ample, irrefutable testimonies by many direct participants; they are available to anyone who takes the trouble to read or listen to them online.2 The Israeli government’s change in the rules of engagement was also reported by responsible Israeli military correspondents writing in the Israeli press after the campaign. This change is not a trivial matter but a decision heavy with moral implication.

    The same can be said of acts such as the slaughter of the eighty-eight (or more) policemen and police cadets at their passing-out ceremony in the opening minutes of the campaign. There is clear evidence that many innocents were killed in that attack, including families of the policemen and an indeterminate number of noncombatants among the cadets, including members of the Police Musical Band.

    The principle is clear enough: soldiers are prohibited from killing innocents, and armies are forbidden to carry out policies that will certainly entail widespread civilian casualties. It is obvious that there are conditions of modern warfare in which moral quandaries come into play, and in which considerations of loss and gain will arise. Such considerations cannot rationalize or explain away evident crimes of war.

    It is true that the Israeli army made an effort to clear the combat zone of civilians by distributing leaflets and making phone calls. It is also undeniable that many civilians remained in that zone throughout the campaign, as civilians—including the aged, the sick, and the bewildered—often do. Along with those who were killed, hundreds (at least) were wounded. As an Israeli, I am not comforted in the least by the relatively low civilian-to-combatant casualty ratio that Mr. Robinowitz, in the manner of other apologists, finds so impressive. Indeed, I find such self-righteous arguments horrific. I grieve for each of those civilian deaths, and I protest the active decisions taken by officers, officials, and individual soldiers in the critical moment of choice that made many of these deaths inevitable. I also lament the more general, sadly widespread moral obtuseness—especially in matters relating to Palestinians—that has overtaken Israeli society and its central institutions at this time.

  11. American
    October 31, 2011, 10:35 am

    Some good news………..

    UNESCO has granted Palestine full membership.

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