Americans who support Palestinian cause must be willing to lose friends

Israel/Palestine
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Readers know that I was really impressed by meeting American volunteer Morgan Bach in Palestine. When you watch this video I made in the little village of Al Aqaba, you’ll understand why.

Bach, 24, who blogs here, is a volunteer in Palestine for the Rebuilding Alliance.

Some important moments in the video:

1:01 A friend who doesn’t like Bach’s facebook posts expresses surprise at who Bach is dating.

2:10 Other friends ask, Why would you study abroad in Jordan? “Deep prejudice there.”

2:48 Bach reflects emotionally on a racist thing she said in responding to friends.

3:40 Bach speaks of an older liberal mentor friend with values she admires, who is very active in the Jewish community. He has been discouraging to her when she writes about Palestine– “no such place.” And her blog is “rubbish.”

4:20 Bach is “defriended.”

6:00 Right around here you’ll see Morgan Bach’s host, Haj Sami Sadeq, the village mayor, coasting by in the background in his wheelchair. Israeli soldiers paralyzed him when he was 16….

7:20 Some Jewish teachers are very interested in Bach’s reports from Palestine.

8:12 Bach on Jewish identity construction and the difficulties of a non-Jew interrogating that construction.

10:10 Her fears about being too blunt about Palestine, lest she offend.

The background to this video:

When I got to Jerusalem, Bach invited me to the little Palestinian village she’s helping to defend from being uprooted in the Jordan Valley, Al Aqaba. And I went out to visit. 

Here’s Bach, below, with Mayor Haj Sami Sadeq overlooking a Israeli military base in the right background.

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That military base has stolen lands of Al Aqaba, and is drawing a noose around the community. Most of the population has fled.

And here’s Bach teaching the ABC’s to Palestinian children.morgan2

95 Responses

  1. yourstruly
    October 23, 2011, 11:51 am

    for me losing friends for siding with the palestinians is a recurring story, while initially somewhat disconcerting, with the passage of time one looks upon such losses as a small price to pay (compared to what the palestinians pay) for resisting the occupation of their homeland.

    • Joseph Glatzer
      October 25, 2011, 12:31 am

      Same for me. This girl in the video is really strong and brave for what she does. The truth is I’ve sometimes felt as though when you defend Palestinians, you become Palestinian in the way you are treated. Like in the movie “Focus” with William H Macy. I think it’s exactly the same. People become disgusted with you. So, it really is hard to imagine Palestinians feel this rejection so much worse, on a daily basis.

  2. Oklahoma farmer
    October 23, 2011, 12:20 pm

    Not only have I lost friends, it seems most of them become very angry enemies.

  3. annie
    October 23, 2011, 12:34 pm

    this is a very moving video for me. there seems to be a vast gap between her love for palestine and her emotions around the injustice she likely witnesses all around her and a lack of freedom in expression for just putting that out there.

    maybe i’m crazy and projecting or something but from the sound of her voice and body language i thought it sounded like her voice was going to crack at one point building from ‘something you don’t say to a friend..told me my blog was rubbish’..and then…hear it? she grabs for the empty glass as if forgetting it is empty, her mind knowing nothing is there so she turns it in her hand as she says..’so i knew …probably not a friendship…’ she swallows, you ask her where is the friendship and she moves the empty glass away.

    it is very personal, this love of hers. this is a brave person who is holding back her emotions and trying to navigate her way safely thru a social maze far away.

  4. Krauss
    October 23, 2011, 12:50 pm

    A brave woman, but I agree with annie that the she came off as very emotionally fragile during the video. Or at least that’s how she came off to me.

    As for her story, I can only say that few people are as devoted to other people as she is. She probably has a very moral character which is rare for most people. I hope she moderates that sometimes, so she doesn’t burn herself out emotionally.

    As for the reactions she has gotten.. she must realize that Jews are no different than other human beings(despite the ethnocentric propaganda you sometimes hear in closed circles). We’re also susceptible to propaganda, and a lot of us have been told all the evils of the world about the arabs. Besides, this isn’t a normal issue for a Jew, like the abstract notion of how high the tax rate should be. This is intensely personal.

    This is, in the mind of many, a matter of survival. Lose Israel and it’s another (potential) holocaust. I’m sorry, but that’s how quite a few think deep down. And they pass on this attitude to their children, even if they make no such conscious choice. Children absorb a lot from their parents and the people their parents surround themselves with. I grew up with this too and it takes years to gradually think for yourself, especially something as close as the identity that you carry and a nation tied to it.

    So if she’s meeting a lot of racism, I hope she understands that all human beings succumb to this when it comes to their own. Jews saw much more clearly what Jim Crow was like because we were not the enforcers of that system, and we are a minority, so we are not very much affected by who has the majority, we have to work with all groups. The WASP establishment had much more to lose, and fought back much harder as well as the general populace in the South.

    Israel is the Jewish equivalent of the American South. It’s a psychological trauma which is unlikely to be unresovled entirely by our own. Just like back then, there are quite a few courageous Jews standing up(just like quite a few white WASPs were during the 60s), but many others are silenced by the conservative community leadership and fear for the social price that they know will be paid. Who wants to be a pariah?
    People are not strong, at least not as a strong as this woman is. People are afraid, even if they know what they are doing is wrong. There were Nazi guards who were crying while they were executing Jews. But they still did it. They were afraid of the consequences of saying no.

    This means that, just like back in the day, outside influence will only increase, much to Jewish dismay(as it was for Southern Whites). This is the reason the cries of ‘anti-Semitism’ only howls louder and louder.

    This woman ought to understand that she stands on the cusp of a major change, it might take 10-20 years, but it’s already underway and there’s no way to stop it.

    • annie
      October 23, 2011, 1:03 pm

      yes, that is the phrase for it, emotionally fragile. look at her face at 10:32-33 in the video, stop the video. while she’s thinking about neutralizing her eyes show her pain and she’s neutralizing that pain by instinctually smiling.

      this is a very generous person.

    • American
      October 24, 2011, 2:27 am

      “As for the reactions she has gotten.. she must realize that Jews are no different than other human beings(despite the ethnocentric propaganda you sometimes hear in closed circles). We’re also susceptible to propaganda, and a lot of us have been told all the evils of the world about the arabs. Besides, this isn’t a normal issue for a Jew, like the abstract notion of how high the tax rate should be. This is intensely personal.
      This is, in the mind of many, a matter of survival. Lose Israel and it’s another (potential) holocaust. I’m sorry, but that’s how quite a few think deep down”

      Krauss, you’re exactly the kind of Jew I want to try a new approach on.

      First, Jews are human naturally, but they aren’t like other people.
      Most people lives don’t revolve around their nightmares and most people eventually wake up from their nightmares. Jews haven’t. And as you say they pass their nightmares down to their children, generation after generation.
      The nightmares of the Jews have been affecting other people for a long time now, it’s killing some people and it’s adversely affecting a large part of the world.
      So what do you think we others should do about the Jews and their
      nightmares? Should we continue to say to the Jews ..”there, there poor dears” we understand, eternal victimization, the holocaust, go ahead and keep screaming the house down forever”.

      I don’t think we should do that any longer. I think it’s time we told the Jews we ‘re not going to respond to their nightmares any longer, that they have to accept they are no longer rational or valid and get rid of them or they will have to live with them in some way that doesn’t damage other people or expect others to keep tending to their nightmares.

      Jews aren’t under threat or assault any where except very slightly in Israel and that is entirely due to the actions of the Jewish state.
      So Jews must also be told that their ‘emotional attachment” to Israel is their attachment, not anyone else’s and makes them, not anyone else, responsible for Israel and any further nightmares it generates.

      In short, the Jews must realize they can’t keep spreading the nightmare disease, they have to cure themselves.

      What would you think of this approach as a solution for the Jews and Israel issue? I see it as the best approach and necessary because the Palestines and the world don’t have another 10 or 20 years to give the Jews and their Jewish State to get over their ‘nightmares’ and their ‘emotional attachments’ when it’s other people’s, not the Jews ‘survival” that is at stake.

      • Citizen
        October 24, 2011, 10:29 am

        American, the Jewish nightmare you reference and how it has made passive Jews, especially American, Candadian, UK ones (where Israel Lobby is most influential thanks to campaign finance laws amounting to bribery), complicit in Israel’s bad conduct, is the problem because those very Jews have not yet internalized the adage that the test of virtue is power. This is exactly Phil’s beat. He actually realizes Jews have not only power, but they are a key component of the current US establishment–something OWS is just beginning to run up against in terms of US politics with the accusations OWS IS anti-semitic, something Ron Paul followers have been dealing with for a long time, and the Tea Party has already chosen to be Israel Firsters. The key point is that no matter how much Jews like to think being “Jewish” is, it’s no longer a debate limited to them due to the power of the state of Israel and its enormous influence on the only superpower in the world, a world chock full of goys.

      • American
        October 24, 2011, 1:29 pm

        “American, the Jewish nightmare you reference and how it has made passive Jews, especially American, Candadian, UK ones (where Israel Lobby is most influential thanks to campaign finance laws amounting to bribery), complicit in Israel’s bad conduct, is the problem ”

        Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. We have the zio Jews and anti zio Jews, then we have the vast passive Jews that go along with or at least don’t examine the irrationality of their position and attitudes.
        It’s very, very hard for anyone to give up special privileges they get because of some condition they have, it’s human nature to enjoy privilege and some power. As long as their nightmares bring them some special privilege they aren’t going to give up them easily.
        However at some point they might begin to understand their exceptional status can become a real nightmare because their ‘problem”…. this time is not caused by anyone else….they are casuing it themselves.
        We can’t put a mass of people into therapy so what do we do.
        We quit reinforcing for them that their nightmares are valid by catering to them, we tell them to wake up.
        I see that Phil does this in his way, but how many non Jews, conditioned as they are to the anti semite thing, are secure enough to be willing to say to the Jews, equal to equal…you have a problem, are creating problems for too many others, deal with it.
        The politicians won’t say this to the Jewish community, but we can and should.

    • Mooser
      October 24, 2011, 11:46 am

      “Jews saw much more clearly what Jim Crow was like because we were not the enforcers of that system,”

      Oh no, we Jews just financed the ships and the journeys which brought the slaves here. And we are ostensibly “white” and the beneficiaries of Jim Crow.

    • American
      October 24, 2011, 1:56 pm

      BTW Krauss

      I am a Southerner, I know just how bad Jim Crow was and how abominable slavery was. And you have to be a southerner who lived among blacks, intimately connected to them, human to human in your daily life, to fully grasp how soul deadening inexcusable it all was.

      But Israel is not like the Jim Crow south, it’s beyond Jim Crow in it’s ultimate intent toward the Palestines.

  5. Chaos4700
    October 23, 2011, 12:53 pm

    Palestinian is the new Jew.

    • Citizen
      October 24, 2011, 10:30 am

      Yes, indeed, Chaos; gives new meaning to “anti-semitism” since Palestinians are semitic too.

      • DBG
        October 24, 2011, 10:35 am

        why do you guys keep repeating that? it is nonsense. Everyone knows what antisemitism is, this revisionist BS makes you look like a moron.

      • patm
        October 24, 2011, 11:27 am

        “Everyone knows what antisemitism is,…”

        Yes, it’s bigotry and prejudice against Semites. It is you Zionists who are the revisionists.

      • Keith
        October 24, 2011, 5:11 pm

        DBG- “Everyone knows what antisemitism is….”

        “While in the past an ‘anti-semite’ was someone who hates Jews, nowadays it is the other way around, an anti-Semite is someone the Jews hate.” (Gilad Atzmon)

      • Chaos4700
        October 24, 2011, 9:24 pm

        Yes, yes, yes, DBG, it’s yet another thing you want to make Jews-only.

      • annie
        October 24, 2011, 9:38 pm

        i read a really funny conversation on dkos the other day about jewish posters defining anti semitism. someone was asking if that was true of islamophobia too, if arab posters got to monitor and decide what that was. if each ethnic group got to set the limits of what was not allowed on the site, as it pertained to them. it was funny actually. i think the poster was snarking them but i never finished reading the thread.

      • patm
        October 25, 2011, 8:30 am

        “Judeophobia” is the proper word for prejudice and bigotry towards Jews and it has quite a presence on the web and an entry in Wiki. I believe it was ‘wondering jew’ who said the word was banned i.e. “red-lined” in Israel.

  6. Kris
    October 23, 2011, 1:04 pm

    What a great interview with this lovely, brave young woman; thank you!

  7. POA
    October 23, 2011, 1:15 pm

    We’re good at “losing friends”. Remember those sacks of shit that told us what great friends the Iraqis would be after we “liberated” them? Heck, why, Iraq was even gonna let us share in the bounty of the oil fields so we could be repaid for our “short” military adventure!!!

    Well, it seems those “friends” are kicking us out. Ungrateful ragheads. You’d think they’d appreciate us killing off a million or so of their fellows, wouldn’t you?

    With friends like America……

    Surely, the Palestinians are equally appreciative of our “friendship, eh?

  8. Mndwss
    October 23, 2011, 1:26 pm

    Americans supporting Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims are loosing friends…

    I guess, Germans supporting jews in the 1930’s had the same problem…

    Everyone wants to be friends…

    And no one wants to end up like Sophie Scholl…

    Brave people is better than “everyone”….

    • Citizen
      October 24, 2011, 10:41 am

      Would even a few of us be as courageous as the White Rose. They did not have the advantage of being true believers like the Jehovah Witnesses. I’ve looked for humans with the courage & moral intensity of Sophie Scholl & her handful of friends–I came up with Rachel Corrie. So how’s the aftermath of the Corrie trial going in Israel, and what is the US doing about it?

  9. Newclench
    October 23, 2011, 1:46 pm

    Supporters of the Ribbentrop Molotov Pact (old commies) also lost friends. Losing friends over ideas is a normal thing; it happens all the time, though usually in slow motion. (I knew folks happy to defend that particular phase of Soviet foreign policy.)
    That said, I’ve kept and made friends with very different views than my own. Some people are much better at negotiating such terrain. Some are much worse. The extremists on both edges of the I/P debate tend to be quite awful at it. In contrast, proselytizing evangelical Christians, Mormons, and Buddhists tend to be much better at it.
    The pro/anti ideological sites seem to draw the same sorts of angry people, regardless of the position they adhere to.

    • Citizen
      October 24, 2011, 10:47 am

      Not sure what you mean here, Newclench. The Christian fundies I know well are glued to Israel as the land God ordained for the Jews, his chosen folks, and nobody should go beyond that–their religious duty is to support the state of Israel right or wrong, as that is the same as following God and his son, Jesus. If you don’t go along, you are going to Hell.

  10. Jim Holstun
    October 23, 2011, 1:46 pm

    Lose some friends, make some new ones–and their food is much better, I swear to God.

  11. ritzl
    October 23, 2011, 1:59 pm

    Great video. Brave woman.

    This is not a criticism, just an unsolicited observation, but without further clarification in the same sentence (i.e. that the “anti-” framing is propaganda) the term “anti”-Israel should be avoided like a virus (unless of course you are).

    The usage should be “critical of Israel.” The “anti”-blah blah blah intentionally and falsely ascribes irrational hatred to the ascribe-ee. It’s meant to unbalance and discredit. As shown in the video, using it, even as a shorthand/accepted-version description of one’s actions, subscribes to and echos that propaganda meme/falsehood.

    In the vid, Morgan accepted the “anti-Israel” usage of a former friend, to describe her postings on her facebook wall. She is, and did, no such thing, yet as soon as she said that, everything changed. Even to me as very pro-Palestinian rights and justice, I had to wonder if she was or wasn’t. If I went to her facebook page, would I see hatred-filled ramblings, or the kind of legitimate, poignant, and emphatic criticism that is always labeled “anti-“Israel to discredit both the criticism and the critic?

    It was the latter, of course. But a conflict-avoidance prone fence-sitter and/or newbie to this issue wouldn’t have known that up front. Those are the people that need to be reached on this if awareness and the discussion are to be expanded.

    Keep up the great work, Morgan (if you’re reading this). More and more people are coming to realize what you realized a few years ago, and are following paths similar to yours. It’s very heartening.

    • patm
      October 23, 2011, 5:08 pm

      “The usage should be “critical of Israel.” The “anti”-blah blah blah intentionally and falsely ascribes irrational hatred to the ascribe-ee.”

      Hmm. “anti-Zionist” seems perfectly acceptable to me.

      • American
        October 24, 2011, 4:09 am

        Anti simply means opposing something.
        I would call myself anti zionist or anti Israel because I don’t like what they’re doing.
        “Critical of” is too mild, I think most ‘critics’ have been forced on to anti stance.

      • Talkback
        October 24, 2011, 8:41 am

        I’m not an antizionist in the sense, that I think that Jews don’t have a right to a state of their own. I’m an antizionist in the sense, that they don’t have a right to acquire a territory by war and against the will of a majority for this purpose and expell Nonjews (or keep them expelled) to become a majority.

      • American
        October 24, 2011, 11:57 am

        Well I don’t think they “have a right” to their own country. Don’t think any distinct religious group ‘has a right to that. But I was supporting Israel’s continued existence as a Jewish state until recently…now I am not so sure it can or should survive as a Jewish state unless it changes dramatically, which I don’t think is going to happen.

      • MHughes976
        October 24, 2011, 3:23 pm

        Time and time again I’ve seen Zionists saying that they welcome critical views of Israel, only it has to be on the basis of accepting the right to exist on Zionist principles. This is a rhetorical trap, as is ‘Are you anti-Israel? Yes or No!’
        ‘Anti-Israel’ is ambiguous. There’s a power structure that we should be against, there’s a mass of people who should have a future free of their current predicament and who, for all the bad things that have happened, don’t deserve vindictive attitudes.
        Zionism is the belief, the proposition, that only Jewish people have a right to a share of sovereignty in the Holy Land, though these rightful heirs may by grace and generosity extend the right to others on suitable terms. This is false and unjust. Like American I think it has no valid parallel anywhere.
        Injustice cannot be put into practice without violence and cruelty from the beginning and all along: there’s no alternative. If the cruelty stares you in the face (examples of it stare in Morgan Bach’s face, clearly) this should lead to rejection of the basic ideas from which the cruelty springs. So I think we have to accept the label ‘anti-Zionist’.

      • ritzl
        October 24, 2011, 9:02 pm

        @American, Not to sound glib, but me too! The breach between Israel and diaspora Jews is increasingly evident and widening. The recent insistence on the “Jewish State” construct is the last gasp of the increasingly desperate process of conjoining the two, imho (but this has been well reported).

        There seems, to me anyway, to be a natural separation of Israel/Israelis and diaspora Jews based on the increasing awareness of the treatment of the Palestinians in pursuit of continued colonization beyond (right or wrong, it exists) the ’67 borders.

        Israel seems to simply be incapable of change from within wrt to continued expansion/colonization. I think that relatively introspective, diaspora Jews recognize that. While my observation is that strong positive sentiment for Israel runs Very deep, among all Jews (and myself as a non-Jew), there may be a vital realization coming, epiphany really, that ’67 Israel exists and enough is enough.

      • ritzl
        October 24, 2011, 8:42 pm

        Agree. Anti-Zionism (as “Zionism” or IROW as it has come to mean, specifically continued colonization) is the starting point for any discussion. Advocates like us here should just ask, what does “anti-Israel” mean. Or better, reflect that no one is anti-Israel. Say it and beg the question. Hell, give the answer.

        Our audience, broadly (not here as this seems to me to be a mostly Jewish conversation), is the other 90% of people that don’t [yet] track this issue through means other than what they hear on TV.

        The “ANTI-Israel” meme is a successful, decades long construct, used as a heretofore unquestioned epithet. We should not adopt it in our answers.

  12. dumvitaestspesest
    October 23, 2011, 2:08 pm

    Few nice quotes for this very brave and good-hearted girl ,who lost some “friends”, just because she “dared” to pursue the Truth.

    –“A Lie does NOT BECOME Truth, just because a lot of people believes in it”.
    –“He, who shakes the tree of Truth, knows that on his head will fall insults and hatred”.

    “The great storm left thousands of starfish lying on the beach.
    The old man walked by the sea , took a starfish in his hands and put it back in the water.
    “What are you doing, an old man?” a young passerby asked him -” There are tens of thousand of those starfish, there is no way you can save them all! Your efforts do not make any sense”…
    Meanwhile, the old man, putting yet another starfish into the water, replied:
    “For THIS ONE, it makes sense “.

    Stay strong ,brave Girl.
    You are doing a very right thing.

  13. olive
    October 23, 2011, 2:22 pm

    Has anyone noticed the high noumber of Washingtonians (the State, not DC) who support Palestine? This young lady, Rachel Corrie, Brian Baird, Jim McDermott, the list goes on. Can anyone give any reasons as to why this is?

    • Robert
      October 23, 2011, 4:07 pm

      Olive,

      I noticed that myself, dont have an explanation. Eleven years ago, on a business trip, I had dinner with an older American couple on the Olympic Peninsula where the husband was a doctor for the Saudi royal family. He told me about the Palestinians being cheated out of their land, and at the time, I thought that it was the height of anti-Semitism, but kept my mouth shut because it was was business trip.

      I didn’t know that years later, I would come to understand this.

    • Chaos4700
      October 23, 2011, 5:41 pm

      The northwest coast of the US has traditionally been a haven of progressivism. It probably has a lot to do with its distance from Washington, DC. Of course, that can make room for swings to the other side as well — southwestern states are notoriously neoconservative in nature, and states in the Midwest tend to encompass the whole range of the spectrum in equal measures. (Bearing in mind, of course, that distance isn’t purely a geographic measure. In some ways, Minnesota and Wisconsin might as well be Alaska or Hawaii).

      • annie
        October 23, 2011, 7:43 pm

        southwestern states are notoriously neoconservative in nature

        that wasn’t my experience of new mexico.

      • Chaos4700
        October 23, 2011, 8:25 pm

        I suppose to be fair, I have only my own anecdotal knowledge of Arizona and Texas to go on. I have relatives in both states and for those states, what I say holds pretty well.

      • annie
        October 23, 2011, 9:32 pm

        fair pt chaos.

      • jayn0t
        October 23, 2011, 8:31 pm

        Support for Palestinian rights has nothing to do with ‘progressivism’. Progressives are at least as likely to support ethnic cleansing in Palestine as retrogressives. American Jews tend to be progressive, but to support ethnic cleansing. Any consistent conservative is in favor of the complete abandonment of aid to Israel. Progressives, with their pc paranoia, are easy targets of the allegation of ‘anti-semitism’. Palestinians should not look to the American left.

      • Chaos4700
        October 23, 2011, 9:45 pm

        I wouldn’t mistake Progressivism for the Democratic Party. American Jews tend to be left-leaning, and they tend to steer the Democratic Party more than any other ethnic group, but then the Democratic Party has basically locked Progressives out of the conference hall.

        It’s not that Palestinians can’t find true allies on the American left, it’s just that we’ve been rendered politically powerless by the Democratic Party mainstream.

      • jayn0t
        October 23, 2011, 9:59 pm

        ‘Chaos4700′ – I respect you. But who are these ‘progressives’? Where is this American left, not easily manipulated by political correctness? Where are the BDS activists who DON’T first of all explain that they are not ‘anti-semitic’ before doing anything else? Morgan Bach is among the BEST people you find among hip young liberals today, and even she finds it hard to confront Jewish supremacy, the main form of racial supremacy in the West at this time. She’d have no such problem with white racism. This disproportion is endemic today.

      • jayn0t
        October 23, 2011, 10:35 pm

        “We’ve been rendered politically powerless by the Democratic Party mainstream”. Why haven’t you been rendered politically powerless by the Republican Party mainstream too? Because you respect one wing of the democratic system more than another. That is your political powerlessness.

      • Chaos4700
        October 24, 2011, 1:17 am

        Because the Republican Party never had a chance to steal our votes by lying. The Republican Party treated us like demons to exorcised. Whereas the Democratic Party treated us like cattle to be milked.

        EVERYBODY who isn’t part of the political elite in the US, is politically powerless now. That’s why there’s a 99% movement and why it doesn’t belong to either the left, or the right specifically.

      • jayn0t
        October 24, 2011, 10:23 am

        Well, yes, except you’ve confused cause and effect. It’s true that the Democrats regard people like you as ‘cattle to be milked’, but that’s because you support them. I’m asking why you put yourself in this position in the first place.

      • Citizen
        October 24, 2011, 4:00 pm

        A lot of more independent, modest-to-a bit-above-ordinary income & education, swing-voter Americans voted for Obama as a vote against 8 years of Bush Jr. His regime was that bad in so many ways. We all know what they got. The Tea Party started up before Bush Jr left office; grew real grass until it was astroturfed, and now, OWS has grown green grass from Egyptians seedlings. This Right-wing entry of the slur of “anti-semitism” into the MSM element attack on OWS, follows on the fading heels of the still viral attack on the Tea Party is steeped in white racism, and stems from the Left-wing entry mirrored by Obama’s comment about those folks “with bibles and guns.”

        Everybody who for whatever reason desperately wants to extinguish allowing more truth to reach the masses picks up on the two most strikingly diversionary hole cards available–(white) racism & “anti-semitism.” Obviously, this can only work on domestic politics in the West. Interesting, yes?

      • Chaos4700
        October 24, 2011, 9:51 pm

        Correction, jaynot — supported them. Past tense. That’s not happening ever again.

    • Keith
      October 23, 2011, 9:37 pm

      OLIVE- “This young lady, Rachel Corrie, Brian Baird, Jim McDermott, the list goes on.”

      To your list, I would like to add Bert Sachs, who, on his own, defied the US government to bring humanitarian assistance to Iraq during the sanctions, and whose trial has been postponed.

      • Keith
        October 24, 2011, 4:50 pm

        In fairness, I should also mention Ali Tarhouni, the former University of Washington economics professor and neoliberal enthusiast, who, after a couple of decades in the US, returned to Libya (with CIA encouragement?) to become the rebels’ oil and finance minister. According to the SEATTLE Times, he is the front runner to become Libya’s next prime minister. Shades of Syngman Rhee! Imagine that, a UW professor may become Libya’s next PM! Are we talking grassroots democracy or what?

    • Mooser
      October 24, 2011, 11:49 am

      “Can anyone give any reasons as to why this is?”

      Oh that one is too easy! Obviously, because the State of Washington is where I live. I just hope Palestine is free before I get eaten by mold.

  14. Dan Crowther
    October 23, 2011, 2:49 pm

    Lose a friend, reaffirm your humanity.

    Bach, along with most here, are on the “slow train” – but the slow train is coming, and its always on time……..

    • Richard Witty
      October 23, 2011, 5:54 pm

      Phil wants it to reach family.

      You?

      • Chaos4700
        October 23, 2011, 8:26 pm

        Oh? And how do you know what Phil wants?

      • Shingo
        October 23, 2011, 11:46 pm

        Yes do tell Witty. When did Phil confide in you?

      • Richard Witty
        October 24, 2011, 8:27 am

        In his posts primarily.

        Ask him.

        He wants it to be real, sincere, honest, everywhere, including most intimate family.

        I’m sure he appreciates his family’s unconditional love of him, even if they differ as to political ideology, conclusions, and actions.

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2011, 11:52 am

        “In his posts primarily.”

        “Primarily” That’s very nice Richard. There’s no need to brag about your long-standing and intimate friendship with Phil Weiss and his family, it’ll just make the rest of us feel bad. After all, not everybody gets to see Phil as much as four times in forty years.

      • annie
        October 24, 2011, 11:57 am

        it’ll just make the rest of us feel bad

        i’m so jealous of RW, i’ve never even seen him once!

      • Citizen
        October 24, 2011, 4:27 pm

        You mean like all the families who ended up bickering back in the day while watching Archie Bunker? It’s about time. Dick Witty, would you prefer Phil eject the long Jewish tradition summed up by the adage “Where’s there’s two Jews, there’s an argument?” Or is it just that you’d prefer no airing of Jewish laundry in public (98% of the US public)? Too late for that, given the way US foreign policy has been hijacked by AIPAC et al. And, given (more macro) Israel has now been a state for a few generations, and a nuclear one at that. Jewish huddles became subject to public light with Truman’s recognition letter. It’s just taken a long time, a long train of Israel abuses, for that to start to sink in.

  15. Potsherd2
    October 23, 2011, 4:27 pm

    Today’s media have cheapened friendship, reduced it to the click of a button.

    • Keith
      October 24, 2011, 5:40 pm

      POTSHERD2- “Today’s media have cheapened friendship, reduced it to the click of a button.”

      Something clicked when I read your comment. What if now or in the near future these electronic “friends” aren’t real? What if they are sophisticated computer programs designed to influence opinions and behavior? A quantum leap in manufacturing consent?

  16. jayn0t
    October 23, 2011, 5:17 pm

    This is a very revealing piece of video. How difficult it is for this 24-year old to use the word ‘racist’ about people saying “yeuch – you dated a Jordanian?” etc.. She even admits she made an excuse for it. I bet she would have had no such hesitation if she’d dated a black man, and someone criticized her for it!

    Morgan Bach is more enlightened on the Palestinian question than most people. This shows how far society has to go before Jewish racial supremacy is judged on equal terms with the white European flavor (which barely exists today).

  17. Richard Witty
    October 23, 2011, 5:54 pm

    I am most interested in the question that Morgan asked Phil at the end but was erased.

    Noone else here?

    • Chaos4700
      October 23, 2011, 8:26 pm

      I don’t think people are interested in the bullshit you routinely make up, no.

    • Philip Munger
      October 24, 2011, 5:07 am

      I’m here.

      I made youtube Saturday of an interview at “Occupy Wasilla.” I screwed up the end of it, erasing a few seconds of good comments by a participant. Maybe Phil W did the same.

      This young woman strikes me as remarkable. Thanks for interviewing her.

      • Richard Witty
        October 24, 2011, 8:30 am

        I’m interested in what his views are is the point.

        Morgan asked him something like “your experience is similar, no?”

        I’d like to hear.

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2011, 11:54 am

        “I’m interested in what his views are is the point.”

        Your personal obsession with Phil Weiss is well known.
        What the hell is your problem?

      • Chaos4700
        October 24, 2011, 9:53 pm

        So why the fuck are you asking us? What, you expect us to play a game of “Telephone” here?

        Have you lost his email address, then? Really now.

      • annie
        October 24, 2011, 9:56 pm

        Readers know that I was really impressed by meeting American volunteer Morgan Bach in Palestine. When you watch this video I made in the little village of Al Aqaba, you’ll understand why.

        everyone but witty that is. he can’t figure it out…bwaaaaahhhh

  18. Talkback
    October 23, 2011, 6:41 pm

    She should be thankful she got rid of this “friends”.

  19. eljay
    October 23, 2011, 7:17 pm

    Ms. Bach, I admire you.

  20. RepStones
    October 23, 2011, 7:21 pm

    Phil or Adam i hope you can convey this comment to Morgan, i tried posting it on her blog, but im a clutterf**k with trying to log into blogs and all.

    I just came across a post concerning your work on Mondoweiss. I doubt very much words from a stranger are any kind of solace, or can repair the voids left by those you thought you could count as your friends. That said, im proud of you, i don’t even know you, nor you me, but still, im proud of you. i feel able to say this because you have shown you are above all, a member of the human race. Funnily enough i count myself among their number too, although for most of my life i was indoctrinated into thinking there were better genres of being than just ‘human’. You see im from Northern Ireland, im writing this now sitting in Belfast, so i know only too well were the scourge of tribalism and sectarianism can lead.
    I love (im not sure if thats the right word) fighting for the rights of Palestinians for two reasons – the first being the connection and very tangible links they have with Ireland, Britain and its imperial policemen served in both regions. Second, it is through this struggle that i learned to abandon that which i was indoctrinated/brainwashed with since my birth – tribalism/nationalism/sectarianism. For years i held the opinion that Partition would do for Palestine, but never for Ireland. But acceptance of the reality that all identities, all nations are man made constructs, simply concepts of a human mind, enabled me to drop that baggage. No amount of partition will cure anything if we continue to accept we can be defined along subjective borders of ‘other’ and ‘outsider’.

    I wish the best days you’ve had become ordinary by comparison.

    Patrick

    @RepStones

    • jayn0t
      October 23, 2011, 9:52 pm

      This writer argues that ‘all identities, all nations are man made constructs’, but still takes a position on what are the boundaries of Ireland and the UK – some constructs are more man made than others. The connection Patrick draws between Palestine and Ireland is superficial, being premised on the word ‘partition’. Whereas in Ireland the British government supported Protestant loyalists out of loyalty and self interest, in Palestine they betrayed their Arab allies because of susceptibility to emotional blackmail.

      • Ellen
        October 24, 2011, 3:47 am

        jaynot, you project and distort RepStones sincere comments. Why? He came to the conclusion that partitions serve no one, are artificial. For Ireland and for I/P.

        The Brits betrayed the Palestinians because they were weak at the time and simply did not care. Not to mention that Zionist terrorism wore them down as the British Empire broke apart. Don’t know what you mean by emotional blackmail.

        The crux of his post is simply: t i learned to abandon that which i was indoctrinated/brainwashed with since my birth – tribalism/nationalism/sectarianism.

        The similarities between the long British occupation of all of Ireland (which divided Ireland between the Protestant Loyalist who were sent there from Scotland and England as colonialist settlers at an earlier time) and the ongoing occupation settlement and occupation of Palestine are vast. Read the history and see even the language of politicians parallels.

        The tragic conflict in Ireland did not work out for anyone. Northern Ireland became a liability and is am embarrassment for Britain. It will be the same for Israel’s occupation.

        Sometime in the future citizens of all of Ireland may vote to remove artificial borders; and maybe that will happen for Israel/Palestine as well. That all will move beyond the walls of artificial tribalism.

        That is what he argues.

      • jayn0t
        October 24, 2011, 10:40 am

        Ellen: First, I know he’s sincere. I’m talking about logic. You’re make the same (sincere) logical error – you talk about ‘occupation’, which means you are taking a position on boundaries. You imply that the Irish Sea is a natural boundary, but the boundary of Northern Ireland is an artificial one. You say Britain divided Ireland but you don’t say Irish nationalism divided the British Isles. “Citizens of all of Ireland may vote to remove artificial borders”: you’ve made your mind up where the boundaries are, just as much as the Brits did!

        By ‘emotional blackmail’ I mean the Brits turned initially Jews away from the Holy Land in 1947, but one of the reasons they then let them in was out of the manipulation of sympathy for the Jewish plight following the Holocaust.

      • Citizen
        October 24, 2011, 4:44 pm

        Anyway I look at it, the Irish were where they were, the Brits where they were; the Brit settlers came across the pond to settle in Ireland, same as the Jewish settlers came across the pond to settle Palestine, already a land with native people. Am I missing something? Did the Brits claim their right to move over the pond and settle in Ireland was established 2,000 years ago in the bible? And the Jews suffered the German-manipulated Shoah, and the Irish suffered the Brit-manipulated potato famine, and so, where are we?

  21. dumvitaestspesest
    October 23, 2011, 9:00 pm

    Here is a few nice songs for you to listen Ms. Bach:)
    link to youtube.com
    link to youtube.com

  22. radii
    October 23, 2011, 9:42 pm

    at first you are ridiculed

    then you are opposed

    then you are accepted as having stated the obvious

    patience and perseverance friends

    • Citizen
      October 24, 2011, 4:47 pm

      radii, I know what you mean, but it occurs to me your comment would have been welcomed by the early Nazis. I fear for the next shoe to fall.

  23. dumvitaestspesest
    October 23, 2011, 10:20 pm

    Maybe “your” children ,Ms Bach ,know this beautiful song.
    If not, I think they may like it. Very much.

  24. emanresu
    October 23, 2011, 10:25 pm

    After watching, I thought the better title might be:

    Americans who support Palestinian cause must be willing to have somebody defriend them on Facebook.

    • Shingo
      October 23, 2011, 11:48 pm

      After reading your assinine comments I think another title might be:

      How the topic of Israeli/Palestine attracts the most vaccuous comments.

      • Chaos4700
        October 24, 2011, 12:58 am

        Maybe we can simplify it:

        How Zionist racists make terrible friends.

      • Richard Witty
        October 24, 2011, 8:33 am

        “How Zionist racists make terrible friends.”

        I think a more general description is more apt. “How those with unaccepting political positions make terrible friends.”

        Phil presents Morgan as victim. But, the defriending certainly goes the other way.

        Jack Ross was a facebook friend, but unfriended me. Ali Abunimeh was as well, and we even had a couple respectful exchanges, but then unfriended me.

        Is unfriending someone for their political views, petty?

        On facebook, in real life?

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2011, 11:58 am

        “Is unfriending someone for their political views, petty?”

        Sure beats a punch in the nose. I suspect you should consider yourself lucky.

      • Shingo
        October 24, 2011, 4:43 pm

        Jack Ross was a facebook friend, but unfriended me. Ali Abunimeh was as well, and we even had a couple respectful exchanges, but then unfriended me.

        That’s becasue you’re a dishonest racist biggot who get’s a thrill by wasting people’s time. I am looking forward to the day MW introduces the “ignore” button, so that we can all unfriend you, so to speak.

      • Chaos4700
        October 24, 2011, 9:55 pm

        Has it occurred to you, Witty, that your racism makes you kryptonite to liberal-minded people? That you spamming out blatant lies on other people’s pages hurts their credibility in ways they can’t afford?

      • Avi_G.
        October 24, 2011, 1:01 am

        Shingo,

        It also seems to attract knuckle draggers who think their one-liners are earth shattering rhetoric, yet can’t put together a convincing argument as to why they support this ongoing ethnic cleansing, probably because there isn’t one. After all, we’re not in the Middle Ages where god and church are the law of the land. “Because the bible says so,” doesn’t cut it anymore. It sucks for the colonists.

  25. Avi_G.
    October 24, 2011, 12:19 am

    Americans who support Palestinian cause must be willing to lose friends

    , jobs, rights, homes, organs, reputation, credibility, and in Rachel Corrie’s and Furkan Doğan’s case, their lives.

    • Citizen
      October 24, 2011, 4:52 pm

      Yes, Avi_G, and let’s not forget the Jewish American artist who lost her eye and the American guy conked on the noggin by a gas canister shot.

  26. justsayin
    October 24, 2011, 2:01 pm

    Friends and family will not want to realize they have been dupped, that is what I took away from so many disturbed individuals whom either pretend it never affects them in any way, nor would America do such “bad things” by supporting such atroscities. Then there are those whom pretend to have always been an identifier in either of these dark plagued rougue state and country. If all this ever gets fixed, the real Americans (Indians) must be compensated somehow, the curses from the past cannot all be abandoned overnight, but in time through awareness education people may see, natives have a right to their asperations and land. Peace would be the only way for this planets inhabitants to survive what nature dishes out, no one has been chosen over another and a god(s) did not choose zionists or jews to be an elite being, the GIG IS UP PEOPLE !

    • Citizen
      October 24, 2011, 4:57 pm

      Yeah, Custer was not really a hero for humanity to honor, and neither is (substitute early Jewish hero in Palestine). US Dorian Gray pic slowly comes into the light, dragging Israel with it, as Israel drags the USA around the globe via AIPAC orchestrated donations to US political whores.

  27. Citizen
    October 24, 2011, 5:15 pm

    Morgan Bach (German American?) Ah, the irony, eh?): Facebook Friend tells her to quit posting anti-israel content. In response to same girl who proudly proclaimed she was dating IDF guys, Morgan said she was dating a Jordinian. Response from the IDF groupie: Why study in Jordan, and not Israel? Morgen’s told indirectly her blog is rubbish by a Facebook guy. Weiss: Where’s the friendship? He’s very active in LA Jewish community (she admires him for that) & he says its all the fault of the PLO. Her (apolitical?) facebook friends say,”Why do you regard this guy as your friend?” Morgan to Phil: Yes, I have jewish friends who support the Palestinians–the only Jewish ones who wanted to be on my email list re political issues.

    Morgan: “I don’t know if its my place (as an American goy) to initiate talk about ” (I-P conflict). Phil: What R you inhibited about discussing (on Facebook )? Morgen: ” I am afraid to be blunt, intense. Phil: “well but…”

    Morgan’s name is legion in current young American generation. They are 98% Gentile. Watch it all develop as OWS is charged with being anti-semitic by the PTB, carried by the MSM.

  28. Justice Please
    October 24, 2011, 6:23 pm

    One loses friends in general when speaking the truth, not only on the issue of Israel and Palestine. But one also gets to know who the good people in this world are.

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