UNESCO votes to admit Palestine as a full member

Israel/Palestine
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Reuters:

UNESCO is the first U.N. agency the Palestinians have joined as a full member since President Mahmoud Abbas applied for full membership of the United Nations on September 23.

The United States, Canada, Germany and Holland voted against Palestinian membership. Brazil, Russia, China, India, South Africa and France voted in favor. Britain and Italy abstained.

Washington is likely to cut funding to UNESCO over the vote.

“The action today will complicate our ability to support UNESCO,” David T. Killion, U.S. ambassador to UNESCO, told journalists after the vote.

“The U.S. has been clear for the need of a two-state resolution, but the only path is through direct negotiations and there are no shortcuts, and initiatives like today are counterproductive.”

. . .

Israel called the vote a “tragedy.”

“This resolution is a tragedy for UNESCO…UNESCO deals in science and not science fiction and nevertheless (UNESCO) adopted the science fiction reality,” said Nimrod Barkan, Israel’s ambassador to UNESCO.

CNN:

Earlier, as the vote was under way, applause broke out after some countries voted in favor of the bid.

There was laughter in the room after Israel voted no.

Sean Lee has the full vote tally on his blog The Human Province:

There were 14 “no” votes, 52 abstentions and 107 “yes” votes (there were also 20 Member States absent):

No: Australia, Canada, Czech Republic, Germany, Israel, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Palau, Panama, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Sweden, United States of America, Vanuatu.

Abstentions: Albania, Andorra, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Burundi, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Colombia, Cook Islands, Côte d’Ivoire, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Fiji, Georgia, Haiti, Hungary, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Kiribati, Latvia, Liberia, Mexico, Monaco, Montenegro, Nauru, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Poland, Portugal, Republic of Korea, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Switzerland, Thailand, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Kingdom, Zambia.

Yes: Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Burkina Faso, Cambodia, Chad, Chile, China, Congo, Costa Rica, Cuba, Cyprus, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Honduras, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Luxembourg, Malawi, Malaysia, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Qatar, Russian Federation, Sant Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Slovenia, Somalia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zimbabwe.

Absent: Antigua and Barbuda, Central African Republic, Comoros, Dominica, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Madagascar, Maldives, Marshall Islands, Confederated States of Micronesia, Mongolia, Niue, Sao Tome and Principe, Sierra Leone, South Sudan, Swaziland, Tajikistan, Timor-Leste, Turkmenistan.

Lee adds:

Most of these are no surprise, although it is worth noting the division in Europe, with Spain, France, Ireland, Austria, Finland and Greece voting “yes,” Germany, Czech Republic and Sweden voting “no,” and the UK, Italy and Denmark abstaining.  It’s also probably worth noting that the US didn’t manage to get a “no” vote from such solid supporters as countries like Latvia (which voted “no” to bringing the motion to the General Assembly earlier this month but abstained today) and Tuvalu, Nauru and other island states that almost always support the US  in international forums. Another formerly stalwart US supporter who voted for Palestine is Iceland. I remember chatting with an Icelandic diplomat during the Bush administration who had told me that after one particularly egregious instance of Washington dictating terms on what should have been a bilateral decision between Reykjavik and DC meant that the US could no longer count on their automatic support in international forums.

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  1. Tobias
    October 31, 2011, 10:04 am

    Bravo UNESCO.

    • CloakAndDagger
      October 31, 2011, 2:52 pm

      There is indeed cause for rejoicing – things are definitely changing despite temporary ups and downs.

      I found this bleak insight from Chas Freeman particularly encouraging:

      link to intifada-palestine.com

      It is clear that the chicken have now home to roost.

      Sorry Israel, you have had plenty of opportunities to redeem yourself and take your place with the rest of humanity. The curtains are now coming down, and I for one, won’t shed a tear for you after what you have done, although I do have concerns for some of the innocent Israelis who have protested her actions, but been silenced.

      I do resent that you have taken us down to the bottom with you – however, we will recover – you won’t.

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 5:04 pm

        Every time the Palestinians win a vote like this and are recognised by the world in such numbers I think about what Ken O Keefe said in February

        at 3:30

        Because this is ultimately about the failure of US foreign policy
        And the music is awesome

        And US foreign policy and Israeli policy are autistic

        link to guardian.co.uk

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 6:57 pm

        That Freeman piece is stunning. Israel is in deep doodoo. Maybe the hasbara should have told them something. Why did they need it?

        “Yet contemporary Israel is a transplant in the region that needs mutually respectful relations with its other peoples to assure long-term survival. It is now clear beyond a reasonable doubt that we Americans do not have the will or the self-confidence to help Israel achieve this.”

        So much for eternal homeland

        “‘Israel will be increasingly ostracized, boycotted, and prosecuted internationally for its scofflaw behavior, racist policies, and daily violence and intermittent pogroms against Palestinians. The United States will suffer correspondingly from guilt by our continuing close association with Israel.”

        “Israelis played a major role in creating the adverse circumstances in which they now find themselves. They must now make their own peace with Turkey, sustain their own relations with Egypt and Jordan, and find their own basis for coexistence with Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, among others. They must craft their own modus vivendi and achieve their own reconciliation with Palestinians and Lebanese, whom they have heretofore treated with contemptuous cruelty and disrespect.”

        “For a long time, we have acted as the enablers of self-injurious Israeli behavior. This has made it possible for Israel to choose land over peace, to corrupt its democracy, to deviate from the core values of its official religion as understood by Jews abroad, to empower racism and bigotry among its Jewish majority, and, most recently, to humiliate the president of the United States while extracting twenty-nine kowtows from Congress.”

        “Not a few Israelis will conclude that the United States, not Israel, is the only secure domicile for the world’s Jews. Jewish emigration from Israel will accelerate. The United States will gain many desirable new citizens as a result”

        No wonder the Zionists had him silenced. And all the yes men won’t save them from the bed they have made themselves.

      • Kathleen
        October 31, 2011, 7:15 pm

        Chas Freeman who was hit hard by the I lobby and hit back. He did not take their cruel bullshit lying down. So appreciate his clear words.

        “The United States must now let the international community do for Binyamin Netanyahu what Jimmy Carter did for Menachem Begin – make Israel an offer of peace it will not let its prime minister refuse. This means ceasing to block the diplomatic tough love for Israel that only non-Americans can provide, and it means withdrawing U.S. funding and other support for Israeli policies and programs that harm U.S. interests or constitute obstacles to peace. The combination of international pressure and diminishing U.S. support is necessary to concentrate Israeli minds on the long-term choices before their country.

        Peace has long been available if Israel would only trade sufficient land for it. The vast majority of Israelis favor swapping land for peace. A succession of right-wing Israeli governments has worked to obviate this possibility by creating adverse “facts on the ground.” It is time instead to create circumstances that will empower the Israeli majority to push their country’s recalcitrant politicians into peaceful coexistence with the other peoples of the Middle East.”

      • lobewyper
        October 31, 2011, 10:17 pm

        Great article, CandD,

        Freeman is terrific throughout this article. My favorite line:

        “Of course, we’re not a bully. We’re just a superpower with attitude.”

      • CloakAndDagger
        October 31, 2011, 11:55 pm

        Chas Freeman writes:

        “Not a few Israelis will conclude that the United States, not Israel, is the only secure domicile for the world’s Jews. Jewish emigration from Israel will accelerate. The United States will gain many desirable new citizens as a result.”

        I had made an ill-worded post a few weeks ago, where I presented the same hypothesis that many, if not most Israelis would emigrate to the US once the curtains fell on their misadventure.

        Some of them will be desirable citizens. I had voiced a concern that many would not be, and I still have that concern. The influx of a large number of zionists can only exacerbate our already-distorted world-view. Imagine a sudden influx of thousands of Dershowitzes, Perles, Liebermans, Gellers, … and the list goes on.

        I am all for diversity, but how can such an overpowering influx be a good thing ?

      • seafoid
        November 1, 2011, 4:33 am

        And what will happen to the Orthodox and the lower middle class and poor Mizrahim after the Israelis with the smarts pack up and go ?

      • American
        November 1, 2011, 1:00 pm

        “I am all for diversity, but how can such an overpowering influx be a good thing ?”

        It won’t be a good thing for us. They would be like the Cuban exiles who have agitated for decades for us to invade Cuba and restore them to power ….. except 1000 times worse.
        Take a bunch of people who are used to being the “supreme”
        race or religion or elite or whatever rulers of their little domain and they would demand the same here while also demanding we invade the entire ME to get their kingdom back for them.
        No thanks. It’s a big enough problem already.

      • CloakAndDagger
        November 1, 2011, 1:33 pm

        Ha! The Cubans are exactly the ones I was thinking about when I wrote this!

    • DICKERSON3870
      October 31, 2011, 5:40 pm

      RE: “This resolution is a tragedy for UNESCO…UNESCO deals in science and not science fiction and nevertheless (UNESCO) adopted the science fiction reality,” said Nimrod Barkan, Israel’s ambassador to UNESCO.

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    • Real Jew
      October 31, 2011, 5:42 pm

      Can anybody tell me what is the significance of Palestine becoming a member of the UNESCO?? What sort of actions does this allow them to take and why is Israel so pissed?

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 6:58 pm

        Israel is pissed because there is no such thing as Palestine. YESHA was built on the grave of Palestine.

        Ma sha Allah !

      • Hostage
        October 31, 2011, 10:10 pm

        Can anybody tell me what is the significance of Palestine becoming a member of the UNESCO??

        In accordance with Article 2(2) of the UNESCO Constitution only UN member States or States not members of the United Nations Organization may be admitted to full membership.
        link to icomos.org

        Although Palestine had been formally recognized as an occupied State by 130 other countries, Israel and the United States have worked assiduously to prevent it from joining multilateral treaty organizations as a high contracting party. They have done that in order to deny Palestinians the many legal protections that are available to States under conventional international law.

        It is still possible to treat Palestine as a non-member of the United Nations, but it is no longer possible for the UN to treat a full member of one of its own specialized agencies as a non-state actor. Membership in UN organs and agencies is based upon the principle of sovereign equality.

        So, all of the “any state” and “states which are not Members of the United Nations” clauses of the UN Charter now apply to Palestine, e.g.

        All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state

        The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security.

        Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter;

        … & etc.

        Unlike UNESCO, Palestine can become a non-member observer state through a simple majority vote in the General Assembly. In either case, the Secretary General should now accept deposits of signature or ratification from Palestine for any UN or multilateral treaty open under the “all states” formula.

      • Real Jew
        October 31, 2011, 11:07 pm

        Thanks hostage

      • RoHa
        November 1, 2011, 2:50 am

        I think I should get a “Thank’s, Hostage” key fitted to my keyboard. It would get plenty of use.

      • annie
        November 1, 2011, 5:07 am

        ha! me too.

        ;)

      • RoHa
        November 1, 2011, 8:04 am

        Though I would prefer a “Thanks, Hostage” key, without the superfluous apostrophe.

      • eljay
        November 1, 2011, 9:31 am

        >> Though I would prefer a “Thanks, Hostage” key, without the superfluous apostrophe.

        Your such a stickler for spelling and grammer. I bet you’re even gonna critisize me also. The thing is, is that your prolly right to do so. :-)

      • Hostage
        November 1, 2011, 2:46 pm

        Though I would prefer a “Thanks, Hostage” key, without the superfluous apostrophe.

        My spelling, grammar, and punctuation are only one step-up from semi-proficient text message shorthand. I don’t worry about digital dyslexia. Most of us get in more than enough trouble for the messages that we consciously convey when we’re typing all of this stuff without worrying about the erratum;-)

  2. seafoid
    October 31, 2011, 10:10 am

    Superb news.

    Meanwhile back on the psychiatric ward some news from the patient spokesperson

    link to haaretz.com

    Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said on Monday that Israel must consider cutting ties with the Palestinian Authority. “We need to collect a price for the diatribes, campaigns and boycotts,” Lieberman said at a Yisrael Beiteinu party meeting at the Knesset. “We cannot leave it without a clear response and without collecting a price.” Lieberman also said that Israel “needs to topple the Hamas regime as possible.” He presented the coalition agreement in which the government committed to removing the Hamas regime that controls the Gaza Strip.

    • lysias
      October 31, 2011, 10:37 am

      Cutting ties with the PA doesn’t strike me as much of a way to topple the Hamas regime.

  3. Dan Crowther
    October 31, 2011, 10:12 am

    Nimrod Barkan…..NIMROD

    that pretty much says it all……

    And we’re still laughing……

    • Charon
      October 31, 2011, 2:17 pm

      Heh. Nimrod is still an improvement on many of those made-up-sounding neo-”Hebrew” names.

    • Taxi
      October 31, 2011, 3:31 pm

      Priceless moment and a personal favorite:
      “There was laughter in the room after Israel voted no”.

      Hoooooweee waaahooooooooweeeeee!

  4. Whizdom
    October 31, 2011, 10:15 am

    An important milestone with far reaching implications. The first of many. Let’s see if the congress follows through with defunding threat.

  5. seafoid
    October 31, 2011, 10:16 am

    I have to say I am disgusted by Germany on this. WTF is Germany doing telling the Palestinians they can’t have a state? Who started the whole bordel de merde in the first place? Why didn’t Germany offer the Jews part of its land for a state ?
    BTW there is 20,000 sq km of mostly sparsely populated land in the former East Germany available if the Zionists could be nudged into a swap. I’m sure the Palestinians would give them the stones from the Kotel if required.

    • Whizdom
      October 31, 2011, 10:52 am

      That’s an interesting point. the whole land area Israel claims is about 22,000 sq km.

      link to mfa.gov.il

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 11:57 am

        link to maps.howstuffworks.com

        loads of lightly shaded bits in the East. Israel doesn’t even use 22K since half of the country is desert so maybe 14K would be enough for them. The Lithuanians would be right at home.

      • Walid
        October 31, 2011, 12:28 pm

        “That’s an interesting point. the whole land area Israel claims is about 22,000 sq km”

        Whizdom, you’re assuming that its lust for land has been satiated; it hasn’t.

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 1:32 pm

        Nice rhetoric Walid, but Israel has given back much more land than they’ve taken.

        As for Seafoid: I’m sure the Palestinians would give them the stones from the Kotel if required.

        disgusting.

      • annie
        October 31, 2011, 2:00 pm

        Israel has given back much more land than they’ve taken

        what a stupid comment.

      • American
        October 31, 2011, 2:15 pm

        The Jewish State…the gift that keeps on killing.

        “2006 cluster bomb explodes in Shebaa, kills livestock October 30,
        2011 01:57 PM
        BEIRUT: A shepherd narrowly survived after a cluster bomb left over from the July-August 2006 war with Israel exploded in the southern town of Shebaa Sunday morning wounding and killing several goats, reported Lebanon’s National News Agency.

        In September, Lebanon ratified the Convention on Cluster Munitions. A total of 109 countries have joined the convention, and 61 – including Lebanon – are “states parties” to it.

        According to the Lebanon Mine Action Center, 67 percent of lands affected by cluster munitions have been cleared. They aim to have the country free of cluster munitions by 2016.

        Injuries and deaths in Lebanon from cluster bombs are decreasing. Between post-war mid-August and the end of 2011, 183 people were wounded and 26 were killed by cluster munitions. In 2007, 82 people died and 13 were killed. This year, the bombs have wounded five people and killed one.

        Ninety percent of the remaining cluster munitions are in the south, which was heavily hit in 2006.

      • Am_America
        October 31, 2011, 2:43 pm

        Was my comment stupid? or seafoid? do you think that dismantling Judaism’s most holy place on earth wasn’t a stupid thing to say? But my comment about Israel returning the Sinai and Gaza, factually correct, was more stupid than seafoid’s?

        Wow.

      • Shingo
        October 31, 2011, 3:41 pm

        Nice rhetoric Walid, but Israel has given back much more land than they’ve taken.

        Nice rhetoric Am, but Israel still holds much more land than it was given.

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 4:00 pm

        I thought Zionism was a secular movement. You mean it isn’t? :)

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 4:02 pm

        And just who did Israel return Gaza to? Israeli warplanes in Gazan airspace, Israeli warships in Gazan waters and on a regular basis, tanks, mortars, soldiers and sniper’s fire.

        If that’s your idea of “returning,” I have to assume the Redbox in your neighborhood is now a bombed-out husk and your car is parked in front of it, blockading the crew sent out to replace it.

      • Dan Crowther
        October 31, 2011, 4:41 pm

        I’d like to Welcome our New Hasbara Commissar, AM America

        Kicking it off the right way, with “Israel has given back more land than it has taken.” Why let facts get in the way of your argument, right?

        link to google.com

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 4:50 pm

        Chapatte the Swiss Cartoonist went to south Lebanon in 2009 and made this. He is part Lebanese. It is in French but never mind if you don’t speak it. Just look at the images

        Starts at 3.00

        link to tsr.ch

      • Sumud
        October 31, 2011, 4:58 pm

        But my comment about Israel returning the Sinai and Gaza, factually correct, was more stupid than seafoid’s?

        Fact-free, not factually correct:

        1. The Sinai was never Israel’s in the first place. You don’t get kudos for returning stolen property.
        2. Gaza remains under Israeli military occupation.

        As Shingo states, Israel stole a lot of land in the years after Al Nakba with bogus property laws after killing and expelling as many of the locals as possible. Savage behaviour.

      • Avi_G.
        October 31, 2011, 6:04 pm

        Am_America October 31, 2011 at 1:32 pm

        Nice rhetoric Walid, but Israel has given back much more land than they’ve taken.

        As for Seafoid: I’m sure the Palestinians would give them the stones from the Kotel if required.

        disgusting.

        Guys, you have to forgive Am Yisrael for his Hasbara 101 line.

        Of course, the Hasbarat is referring to the Sinai Peninsula that Israel occupied from Egypt and then ‘gave’ back in a peace deal with Egypt, the same peace deal that earned Israel billions of dollars from the US as compensation for the colonies Israel left behind in places like Yamit. You see, Israel gets compensated even when it illegally builds in occupied territory.

        What’s even more absurd is that Israel was the primary beneficiary of that peace deal. Why? In exchange for gracing Egypt with its approval, Israel got a lucrative natural gas offer that has saved it billions upon billions of dollars over the years.

        In fact, Mubarak was ‘selling’ Israel gas at a price that was lower than the market price.

        In other words, Egypt was subsidizing natural gas sales to Israel.

        Poo wittle Iswael. It takes and takes and all it gets in wetuwn is cwiticism and hate. What kind of vicious wowld do we live in, anyway?

      • Whizdom
        October 31, 2011, 6:30 pm

        Astonishingly stupid. do they even read what they write?

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 6:48 pm

        That’s the beauty of cut and paste, I suppose, Whizdom.

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 7:11 pm

        Sumud

        Did you see the Freeman piece? It is devastating

        link to intifada-palestine.com

      • Kris
        October 31, 2011, 11:25 pm

        Yes, your comment was stupid. And I’m surprised you object to seafoid’s comment. Why would Zionists care about Judaism’s “most holy place on earth,” since they have made such a mockery of Judaism since they began their unholy enterprise of stealing the Palestinians’ land? What good is dust after you have destroyed the spirit?

      • Am_America
        November 1, 2011, 12:02 am

        In exchange for gracing Egypt with its approval, Israel got a lucrative natural gas offer that has saved it billions upon billions of dollars over the years.

        Avi, the gas deal wasn’t signed until like 2005, can you be anymore dishonest? what does that have to do with the Sinai? Also Sadat was president during the peace deal, not Mubarak.

      • annie
        November 1, 2011, 12:09 am

        can you be anymore dishonest?

        this is not a game of 20 rhetorical questions. it seems you cannot contribute without them. more constructive dialogue would be appreciated.

      • Avi_G.
        November 1, 2011, 12:53 am

        Am_America November 1, 2011 at 12:02 am

        In exchange for gracing Egypt with its approval, Israel got a lucrative natural gas offer that has saved it billions upon billions of dollars over the years.

        Avi, the gas deal wasn’t signed until like 2005, can you be anymore dishonest? what does that have to do with the Sinai? Also Sadat was president during the peace deal, not Mubarak.

        Israel’s defenders are experts at failing to understand basic concepts of cause and effect. But, that’s besides the point.

        For those who get their education from Wikipedia, pay attention now. This part is for you.

        One of the provisions of the Camp David accords required Egypt to supply Israel with natural gas and oil. The accords were signed in 1979.

        President Carter practically begged Begin to agree to the deal. Begin wasn’t too keen and so Carter threw Israel a few incentives.

        Now in order to keep Sadat in power, the US provided Sadat with CIA protection. Unfortunately for him, even that didn’t help when he was assassinated for betraying his people.

        His replacement was a US-sponsored and supported puppet, Mubarak. Israeli officials loved Mubarak. In fact, he was such an Israel-friendly dictator that when Obama had to let him go earlier this year, Netanyahu was furious. Israel sent envoys and messengers around the globe to campaign for Mubarak to stay.

        So as readers with an IQ higher than a polar bear’s nose temperature can tell, this has quite a lot to do with the Sinai and with Israel’s benefits.

        But, don’t fret. If this is too dishonest, I’ll be more than happy to outright lie and provide you with a list of ISBN numbers for books in which you can read all about it. OK, OK, I’ll give you the 10-digit ISBN codes, lest the 13-digit codes frazzle you.

      • annie
        November 1, 2011, 1:11 am

        an IQ higher than a polar bear’s nose temperature
        yer so cool hot

      • Avi_G.
        November 1, 2011, 6:42 pm

        an IQ higher than a polar bear’s nose temperature

        annie November 1, 2011 at 1:11 am

        yer so cool hot

        Wait ’till you hear the sizzle. lol

    • dumvitaestspesest
      October 31, 2011, 1:12 pm

      Germany, from what I bearly remember, does not have East Jerusalem.
      Bonn or Berlin won’t do, as a capital.
      Also, I don’t recall Germany being called “Holy Land”.
      The “Chosen Nation “can not reside there.
      What are they going to do?? Wear lederhosen ,drink beer, eat sauerbraten and “mingle” with Germans??

      • Hostage
        October 31, 2011, 3:19 pm

        What are they going to do?? Wear lederhosen ,drink beer, eat sauerbraten and “mingle” with Germans??

        Why not? Many of the Jewish refugees from the former Soviet Union took-up residency in Germany and enjoy all of those activities;-)

      • Ellen
        November 1, 2011, 6:36 pm

        Not only those from Russia, but lots and lots of Israelis moving to Germany. As a group, Jews are currently the fastest growing population in Germany.

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 4:51 pm

        The “Chosen Nation “can not reside there.
        What are they going to do?

        Whatever they did there before ….

  6. Bill in Maryland
    October 31, 2011, 10:20 am

    Great news, and better to more plainly show the world how weak America is as Israel’s marionette, but I confess disappointment with Canada’s and Holland’s no votes.

    • Tzombo
      October 31, 2011, 10:59 am

      Holland is not a country…

      But it was perfectly clear that the Netherlands would vote no. Zionists are in government here.

    • Potsherd2
      October 31, 2011, 11:02 am

      Canada under Harper is deeply Zionist occupied territory. Holland – I wonder.

      • James
        October 31, 2011, 12:17 pm

        i am a canuck and harper is a huge embarrassment to many of us… this guy may as well have stepped out of the 3rd Reich in terms of his attitude oh but he goes to church on sundays and is a big fan of hockey which means he wears the necessary clothes to fool a few… what an embarrassment for us is all i can say…

      • dumvitaestspesest
        October 31, 2011, 1:26 pm

        Many higher-up Nazi officers were pretty well educatated, sophisticated people.
        Many loved classical music, enjoyed collecting of fine arts, often they were very decent husbands , sons, fathers.
        So it goes to show that one can behave, in many ways, like so called “normal person”, but still his heart maybe filled with the worst kind of Evil.
        I don’t understand it ,but I’ve seen it, observed it , read about it.
        Wolf in a sheep skin is not such a rare picture.
        Very deceiving though. Many fall for it.

      • Charon
        October 31, 2011, 2:27 pm

        Outside of maybe Toronto (which based on blogging/Wikipedia edit IP addresses seems to be a Hasbara Fellowship Zionist headquarters of the USA) that seems to be the predominant attitude toward Harper. How in the world did his conservative party gain more seats after that no-confidence thing? Harper’s ideology goes against traditional Canadian values. If this guy were an American president it wouldn’t surprise me, but Canada knows better.

        Religiously the guy is a fundie of the rapturous variety meaning he is a useful idiot for Israel. He looks like a troll too. Funny that a lot of fundies look similar

      • MRW
        October 31, 2011, 4:06 pm

        Harper’s best friend is David Frum, and Toronto is JDL country now. It’s where they set up camp after the FBI put them on the terrorist here 20 years ago. Mr. JDL Chief, himself, speaks for Jews now. I don’t remember his name, but I saw him on a news spot on HuffPo or something similar two years ago. But most Canadians wouldn’t know what the JDL is; they probably think it’s a B’nai Brith offshoot.

        Charon’s right about Harper being a fundie and a Christian Zionist, but his political claim to fame is that he’s an economist, and the Liberals blew it under Chretien. I can’t remember the financial scandal in the 90s, but Harper put Canada on a much surer financial footing, and Canada did not suffer much from the 2008 crisis, although sections of the east got hit. Davos anointed it one of the most stable economies in the world. The really powerful Jews in Ottawa love him (even though they were traditionally Liberal), and that word goes out across the country.

      • lysias
        October 31, 2011, 4:24 pm

        I just finished reading a biography of Field Marshal Manstein. On the Eastern Front, after having spent the day managing his troops, he would spend the evenings playing chess or bridge with his adjutant and listening to records of Mozart.

      • Les
        October 31, 2011, 4:53 pm

        White racists in the US are pretty much regular churchgoers too, as is Harper.

      • Charon
        November 1, 2011, 1:44 am

        MRW, you’re right about Toronto and the JDL. I personally didn’t know that. Now it all makes sense! Not that there is a difference between ADL and JDL anyways, same terrorist organization.

      • Walid
        October 31, 2011, 12:30 pm

        Potsherd, Harper’s pro-Israel political leaning does not reflect that of most Canadians.

      • patm
        October 31, 2011, 2:41 pm

        Harper is a Christian evangelical, possibly a rapture head. The Conservatives he leads has in its base a large number of like-minded types.

    • Diane Mason
      November 1, 2011, 7:44 am

      I’m not sure why The Netherlands takes the position it does, but I think it’s been doing this for a long time. I remember the Dutch govt offering support for Israel in the 1973 war (as a staging post for rushing war materiel to Israel from the US). Then in 1992 when an El Al plane crashed taking off from Amsterdam, the Dutch govt stonewalled the investigation for years even though hundreds of its own citizens in the area were falling ill. It took an expose by 2 investigative journalists to reveal that the plane was actually carried a load of sarin nerve gas precursors from the US to Israel, and was one of a series of regular Friday night flights that had been passing through Amsterdam to Israel without appearing on airport monitors or being required to go through any of the inspection by the Dutch authorities that normal air freight would. And the subsequent govt inquiry found that this had been going on since 1973.

      So The Netherlands has been offering support to Israel for years, well beyond its votes at the UN, up to and including facilitating proliferation of chemical weapons. It’s a strange policy for an otherwise generally-progressive country, and I really don’t know what the explanation is.

  7. Richard Witty
    October 31, 2011, 10:25 am

    Its good news if it compels Israel and Palestine to turn the corner to actually reconcile.

    Its bad news if Israel hunkers down.

    Its bad news if the Palestinians close doors that they had opened in the form of the Olmert/Abbas discussions, that if closed would contribute to Israel hunkering down with no other option but to.

    And, as the critical issue as to whether Palestine will emerge, or the PA will fold, is the Israeli electorate, and the next parliamentary and ministerial elections.

    • pabelmont
      October 31, 2011, 11:02 am

      RW, you ignore reality. Israel has LONG SINCE HUNKERED DOWN.

      Israel LOVES the anti-democratic apartheid 1SS which has been in formation since 1967 and is cast in concrete by now, the settlers being so ascendant that Gideon Levy declares a hostile takeover of Israel by the settlers.

      I/P peace (if it is to be other than the 1SS I described above) has for many years depended on a change in external circumstances, as the state of food in a frying pan depends critically on whether or not there is a fire under the pan. UNESCO is a small bit of fire.

      More to come.

      • eljay
        October 31, 2011, 12:22 pm

        >> Its bad news if the Palestinians close doors that they had opened in the form of the Olmert/Abbas discussions, that if closed would contribute to Israel hunkering down with no other option but to.

        Ah, the sweet smell of hypocrisy. When Israel closes doors, the Palestinians are expected to “make ‘better wheels’” and to negotiate with Israel. When the shoe is on the other foot, Israel is not required to “make ‘better wheels’” or to negotiate with the Palestinians. Instead, it is permitted to hunker down and play victim. Again.

        Meanwhile, the poor victim’s ON-GOING campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction and murder continues unabated.

    • POA
      October 31, 2011, 11:08 am

      “Its bad news if Israel hunkers down”

      Heeeeehaaaaww…..hehaw…..heeeeeehaw…says Witty.

      • Richard Witty
        October 31, 2011, 12:08 pm

        You don’t get the significance of Netanyahu’s prospective electoral exposure, that too aggressive a position in the UN will dissolve.

        If Israelis perceive that they are at war, they will choose a war “consigliere”. If they perceive that immediate threat is relaxed, but they don’t like his long-term policies and devolution of international relationships, then Israelis will rethink his tenure.

        It all depends on pragmatic conditional acceptance offered. If renounced, then “everywhere is war”.

      • Dan Crowther
        October 31, 2011, 12:38 pm

        It all depends on pragmatic conditional acceptance offered. If renounced, then “everywhere is war”.

        Huh?

      • Taxi
        October 31, 2011, 2:24 pm

        Richard Witty took the same writing class as Donald Rumsfeld.

        Example of writing commonalities: What is to be known is unknown to be known when the unknown is an known :-)

      • Avi_G.
        November 1, 2011, 1:00 am

        Taxi,

        If I haven’t said it before, I will say it now (or write it); you’re being much too kind to Rick.

        Why do I say that, you might ask?

        Well, Rick didn’t take a “writing class” per se. He attended a weekend workshop on alphabet assembly.

      • eGuard
        November 1, 2011, 4:10 am

        Witty: Netanyahu’s prospective electoral exposure [...] If Israelis perceive that they are at war, they will …

        Israeli voters are “percieving” a war? By Palestine being an UNESCO member? Let them perceive peace.

    • Charon
      October 31, 2011, 2:44 pm

      Witty, those are all non-issues. Israel sealed the door shut with preconditions from the start and the PA has long been a tool for Israel.

      The fact is no matter what, Palestine exists. Palestine never went anywhere. Palestine never forgot its actual history.

      The entire West Bank including East Jerusalem, the Old City, the Western Wall, and the Temple Mount are in Occupied Palestinian Territory. These are the cards which the Palestinians are supposed to bring to the negotiating table. The Israeli expectation is that their annexation laws and settlement ‘blocs’ are recognized internationally when in fact they are meaningless and ignored even by the US. Letting go of these areas should not up for negotiation.

      Any Zionist mention of the Olmert (or the Barak ‘generous’ offer) deal’s 90 whatever percent of the WB is a unfair and the reason the Palestinian papers were leaked. Anything less than 100% is unacceptable. That is occupied Palestinian land that Israel has to compensate with land 100% equal in value and not swap Arabs. Israel will never go for this even if such land actually existed (I doubt it).

      This cry for negotiation is an 18-year-old scam because the Palestinians have never had a serious negotiating partner. Zionists have been lying there arses off for years saying the opposite. You’re all wrong and you don’t get it. Oh and Zionism is racism.

      • Walid
        October 31, 2011, 4:43 pm

        “This cry for negotiation is an 18-year-old scam because the Palestinians have never had a serious negotiating partner.”

        Charon, Israel was able to get away with it because the Palestinians never had a serious negotiator. From the outset, the Palestinians got off on the wrong foot and stayed on the wrong foot. Things haven’t changed. Those that gave it (Oslo) away back then are still there today trying to negotiate with Israel. Hopefully their English has improved, unles of course the negotiations are being conducted in Arabic.

      • Charon
        November 1, 2011, 1:49 am

        Yep and it’s a joke having the ‘quartet’ calling for negotiations. Unfortunately to the uneducated masses, Israel can play the whole “they don’t want to negotiate” angle despite not wanting to negotiate themselves. The sheeple are easily mislead.

      • Richard Witty
        November 1, 2011, 3:01 am

        Its a ludicrous assertion that “Palestine never had a serious negotiating partner”.

        The Olmert Abbas talks and all of the precedents that led to them, were incremental meeting of the minds, to the point of very close to it.

        And, Olmert originally was quite right-wing, a Sharonist.

        The UN petition is partially an attempt to force Israel’s hand for the purpose of motivating seriousness on Israel’s part, accompanied by some advantage.

        But, the only condition that will improve Palestinians lives tangibly is a negotiated settlement.

        The holes (many) in the theme of political agitation as the means to “bring Israel to its knees” for political advantage in negotiation, or for the urging of “rights based revolution”, will be seen through, rejected.

        And, that will work for the benefit of the Israeli right, whether in negotiation or through subsequent war.

        Militancy can back-fire. You know that right?

  8. Oklahoma farmer
    October 31, 2011, 10:35 am

    someone tell me why Holland voted against it

    • Tzombo
      October 31, 2011, 11:03 am

      It’s mostly because the extremist PVV led by Geert Wilders is extremely pro-Israeli. And that in itself has little to do with Israel itself but is tied closely to their Muslim-hating. Muslims like Palestine? Then we’ll like Israel.

      • lysias
        October 31, 2011, 12:53 pm

        PVV Muslim-hating? You can say that again.

        Rosenthal distances himself from PVV Erdogan monkey jibe:

        Foreign affairs minister Uri Rosenthal has formally distanced himself from comments by PVV MP Raymond de Roon, who described the Turkish prime minister as an ‘Islamic monkey’.

        The remark was made in the context of the Dutch saying daar komt de aap uit de mouw (here comes the monkey out of the sleeve) which means to reveal your true colours or intentions.

        ‘Once again the Islamic monkey has shown himself,’ De Roon said during parliamentary questions. ‘This time he is in Ankara and his name is Erdogan.’ De Roon was refering to what he called Turkey’s anti-Israel rhetoric.

      • lysias
        October 31, 2011, 4:41 pm

        For anyone who wants to check on that quote, here are de Roon’s words in Dutch:

        “De islamitische aap is weer eens uit de mouw gekomen. Hij zetelt ditmaal in Ankara en hij heet Erdogan”

        And I believe “de islamitische aap” can only mean “the Islamic monkey,” not “the Islamist monkey”.

      • Sumud
        October 31, 2011, 5:12 pm

        I’m interested to know of Wilders whether the muslim-hating or pro-Israel rhetoric came first.

        He has close ties to islamophobic Pamela Geller who masquerades as a patriotic American Objectivist – a very unattractive honey-pot for conservatives – but really, with Geller, it’s all about Israel. Read Geller’s articles at settler rag Arutz Sheva; you get the strong idea she identifies much more as an Israeli settler than an American.

        So Wilders spent time in his teens in Israel and has subsequently visited Israel 40+ times in the last 25 years. That’s not tourism. He has no business interests there, something else is going on.

    • seafoid
      October 31, 2011, 11:06 am

      Holland and Germany are the most rabid of the pro Israeli nations in Europe. In the Dutch case the anti Muslim party of Geert Wilders got a huge vote last time around and there is the Anne Frank link and the fact the Dutch are still ashamed of what they did in WW2. Plus the Israelis have them by the nuts for this. the situation is similar with Germany. Shame and pressure and a very pro Zionist Jewish community who label all activities for Palestinian rights as extremist.

      The UK is much more measured although the current Government has a heavy dose of neocons.

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 4:06 pm

        Well, gee, I guess now they can be ashamed of turning a blind eye to pogroms against Muslims, instead of pogroms against Jews this time.

        Are gays ever going to, you know, get a turn at people being forced to do what we tell them? Not that we really need it, people already do that for us I suppose. It’s called fashion. ;)

    • POA
      October 31, 2011, 11:12 am

      Bribery, of course. We may, or may not, ever know what we taxpayers gave them in return for their vote. You can bet your ass the Israelis aren’t paying for it. Why would they, when our own Congress is so eager to use our monies for the Israeli’s benefit?

    • dumvitaestspesest
      October 31, 2011, 1:14 pm

      Someone tell me why France voted for it??
      Sarkozy is part of a “buddy , buddy system”, so I don’t get it.
      A sudden change of his heart???

      • American
        October 31, 2011, 1:25 pm

        Maybe France has a big Muslim Lobby.
        Like the big Israel lobby here. LOL

      • lysias
        October 31, 2011, 1:50 pm

        Sarkozy is up for reelection next year. Lots of Muslim votes in France.

      • Taxi
        October 31, 2011, 2:31 pm

        Ooops zee vott woz a haccident mes petites izrhali shooshoos!

      • Hostage
        October 31, 2011, 7:19 pm

        Someone tell me why France voted for it??

        I don’t know, but France has been lobbying for EU recognition of Palestinian statehood for over a year. Sarkozy has publicly recommended the upgrade to observer state status and UNESCO membership is in-line with that position.

      • kursato
        November 1, 2011, 9:13 am

        France has lost a lot of influence in North Africa and in the Levant. For France, whose ties to Arab dictators once gave it clout in the Middle East.

        But then came the democratic uprisings in the Arab world.
        The (now former) French foreign minister Michele Alliot-Marie in te beginning of the Tunisia revolt:
        “Just days before the regime fell, and Mr Ben Ali fled, she had offered Tunisia the “savoir-faire” of French security forces in crowd control.”

        So a French foreign minister was caught helping a dictator to struck down on democratic protests…

        Now France tries to get his influence back by supporting an issue that lies in the hearts of the people of the region

  9. Whizdom
    October 31, 2011, 10:36 am

    This is worth a read:

    “Moshe Dayan’s Widow Ruth: Zionist Dream Has Run Its Course
    Oct 30, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
    These startling words were uttered last week in Tel Aviv by 95-year-old Ruth Dayan, widow of one of Israel’s founding fathers”
    link to thedailybeast.com

    pithy

    • American
      October 31, 2011, 11:11 am

      Smart woman that Ruth.
      She should have been president of Israel.

    • seafoid
      October 31, 2011, 11:13 am

      All those old Ashkenazi Labor types see Israel in the same vein. Amos Oz is the same . It has gone to pot. So trashy and violent. But they are the ones who set it on its course.

  10. Whizdom
    October 31, 2011, 10:41 am

    Unilateral? With more than 100 “aye” votes? And how, exactly, does this remove possibility of peace agreement?

    And note how Israel chooses International isolation:

    link to haaretz.com

    “This is a unilateral Palestinian maneuver which will bring no change on the ground but further removes the possibility for a peace agreement,” the Foreign Ministry statement read.

    Moreover, the statement suggested that Israel may now stop its cooperation with the cultural agency.

    “Following the decision to accept Palestine as a regular member of UNESCO, the State of Israel will consider its further steps on ongoing cooperation with the organization,” it read.

    • American
      October 31, 2011, 11:00 am

      “Moreover, the statement suggested that Israel may now stop its cooperation with the cultural agency”

      Good, let them exile themselves.

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 11:52 am

        There will soon be large numbers of toys available at the foot of the pram.

        “There was laughter in the room after Israel voted no.” Oh no!
        The hasbara doesn’t work any more ! Did the magic word “antisemitism”
        not shut them all up?

      • American
        October 31, 2011, 12:02 pm

        Let the US exile itself also.
        A long, long time ago I said the US zionist and Israel would ‘pit’ the US against the world and ruin us….and that’s exactly what is slowly and surely happening.
        It’s so bizarre……everyone sees that the Jewish Zionist and the somewhat less influential Christian Zionist fanatics, are literally destroying the US for the Jewish state.
        It’s so crystal clear what has happened to the US…..and still so unbelievable. Who would have ever believed that a minority of zionist in the the US and their foreign country could control the American government so fully that it doesn’t care what it does to America?
        It’s pure insanity that we are watching….pure i.n.s.a.n.i.t.y.
        Where does it end?

        Some additional info on ramifications:

        “Palestinian membership in UNESCO is just the tip of the iceberg”

        Posted By Josh Rogin Friday, October 7, 2011 – 11:39 AM

        The Obama administration is scrambling right now to find a way around the fact that existing U.S. law could force the United States to stop participating in the U.N. cultural agency UNESCO if the Palestinians are given member state status, setting a precedent that could repeat itself in a host of other U.N. organizations.

        The administration is contending with a 1994 law (P.L. 103-236, Title IV), which would bar U.S. contributions “to any affiliated organization of the United Nations which grants full membership as a state to any organization or group that does not have the internationally recognized attributes of statehood.”

        Another law (P.L. 101-246, Title IV), from 1990, states that, “No funds authorized to be appropriated by this act or any other act shall be available for the United Nations or any specialized agency thereof which accords the Palestine Liberation Organization the same standing as member states.”

        The Palestinians cleared a hurdle this week when the UNESCO executive board approved their bid to join the organization, sending the matter to a vote by UNESCO’s 193-nation General Conference. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton criticized UNESCO on Wednesday for taking up the issue.

        “I think that that is a very odd procedure indeed and would urge the governing body of UNESCO to think again before proceeding with that vote,” Clinton told reporters in the Dominican Republic.

        She acknowledged the “strong legislative prohibition that prevents the United States from funding organizations that jump the gun, so to speak, in recognizing entities before they are fully ready for such recognition.”

        The U.S. has not yet paid their bills on UNESCO for 2011, about $80 million, which is 22 percent of UNESCO’s budget. If the law is triggered and the U.S. does not pay in 2012, the U.S. would lose its vote in the organization. Plus, UNESCO officials have told the U.S. that if U.S. funds are not expected over the next two years, they may have to initiate massive layoffs beginning in January to account for the shortfall in funds.

        Palestinian membership in UNESCO would also grant them immediate membership in the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) and the United Nations Industrial Development Organization (UNIDO). The U.S. would have to stop contributing to WIPO but America is not a member of UNIDO.

        We’re told that the State Department is currently having their attorneys draft a legal opinion on how U.S. laws would affect U.S. participations in U.N. bodies that grant the Palestinians member state status. Their ruling will have ramifications not only for UNESCO, but for all other U.N. specialized agencies that the PLO is expected to submit their application to, such as the IAEA, WTO, WHO, World Bank, and others.

        State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Thursday that the administration was “still working” on what the legislative triggers regarding funding would mean. But a State Department official said that the administration has not been able to find a way around the law.

        “We have a suicide vest padlocked around our torso and the Palestinians have the remote control,” the State Department official said. “They get to decide whether they blow us up or not. It’s 100 percent up to them.”

        Meanwhile, Congress is ratcheting up its own involvement on the issue. Later today, 10 House appropriators will call on UNESCO not to move forward with consideration of Palestinian membership, in a letter to UNESCO Executive Director Irina Bokova obtained by The Cable.

        “We… respectfully request that you do everything in your power to ensure that the Palestine Liberation Organization’s application to become a Member State does not come before the UNESCO General Conference,” states the letter, prepared by the office of Rep. Steve Rothman (D-NJ). “Any recognition of Palestine as a Member State would not only jeopardize the hope for a resumption of direct Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, but would endanger the United States’ contribution to UNESCO.”

        Signatories of the letter include the heads of the House Appropriations State and Foreign Ops subcommittee, Kay Granger (R-TX) and Nita Lowey (D-NY), Jerry Lewis (R-CA), Tom Cole (R-OK), Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL), Steve Austria (R-IL), Charles Dent (R-PA), Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL), and Adam Schiff (D-CA).

        One senior Republican staffer pointed out the irony that it was President George W. Bush who brought the United States back into UNESCO, and now the United States might be forced to leave the organization by Obama — a president who came to office promising to reverse what he argued was Bush’s tendency to ignore the international community.

        “Remember, we joined UNESCO in part because we needed them to help de-radicalize textbooks particularly in the Muslim world after 9/11 and as a platform to counter expanding anti-American attitudes in academia,” the staffer said “And now, by de-funding UNESCO, we lose all the leverage we had gained.”

      • annie
        October 31, 2011, 12:25 pm

        “We have a suicide vest padlocked around our torso and the Palestinians have the remote control,” the State Department official said. “They get to decide whether they blow us up or not. It’s 100 percent up to them.”

        what sick framing and BS logic.

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 12:36 pm

        Scott Atran video: ‘US foreign policy is set by people who’ve almost no insight into human welfare, education, labour, desires or hopes’

        link to guardian.co.uk

        Magnificent

      • lysias
        October 31, 2011, 12:44 pm

        That’s Victoria Nuland, wife of Robert Kagan, for you.

      • lysias
        October 31, 2011, 12:46 pm

        Their ruling will have ramifications not only for UNESCO, but for all other U.N. specialized agencies that the PLO is expected to submit their application to, such as the IAEA, WTO, WHO, World Bank, and others.

        So the U.S. may be forced to leave the WTO and the World Bank?

      • annie
        October 31, 2011, 1:21 pm

        thanks, great link.

      • Potsherd2
        October 31, 2011, 1:27 pm

        That’s the wife-beater’s classic excuse – “She made me do it!”

        Maybe the US can just withdraw from the UN entirely. No more Security Council veto.

      • pabelmont
        October 31, 2011, 1:55 pm

        And here we all thought it was the Israelis who had the remote control for our suicide vest!

        Psst, Madame Secretary, ask the Congress to change the law. You know, I feel sure, that the Congress writes the laws of the USA, not Israel, and not Palestine. It is in our hands, Madame Secretary, not anyone else’s. If we wear a suicide vest, it is by our own choice, and we can take it off any time.

      • Charon
        October 31, 2011, 3:29 pm

        It is unbelievable. And it is all true.

        In the early days internet Zionists would smear any criticism of Israel as antisemitic. Some still do but it has no effect on anybody with a brain and a conscious. They also used to laugh things off under the umbrella of ‘conspiracy theory’ because implying Israel are pathological liars and our media/government is complacent on shielding the truth really is a conspiracy. Not a theory, it’s a fact and can be proven in a couple minutes which is why they’ve given up on laughing off mentioning how congress is a bought-and-paid-for tool of the Zionist lobbies.

        That a foreign government has power upon the majority of our lawmakers should concern every American citizen. All those pigs giving Bibi standing ovations was the most insulting thing I have ever seen.

      • Walid
        October 31, 2011, 5:02 pm

        “what sick framing and BS logic.”

        It is sick, Annie, but regrettably it works. Its purpose is to associate the Palestinians with the suicide vests. Unsuspecting Americans gobble up this stuff and run with it.

      • Rusty Pipes
        October 31, 2011, 6:19 pm

        Good catch. Lots of reasons the State Department has been trying to find a way out of this (while blaming their problems on uppity Palestinians). Then there’s this JStreet angle:

        Nuland expressed concern that the funding cut could have damaging implications for the U.S. By not paying its dues, the U.S. could severely restrict and reduce its ability to influence UNESCO, and act within it.

        “We are very concerned about it, which is why we didn’t want it to happen in the first place and why we’re concerned about this move being replicated in other UN agencies,” said Nuland.

        The cut in funding could impact the voting rights of the U.S., since under UNESCO’s constitution any member state that gets more than two years in arrears in its contribution does not have the right to vote in the general conference. According to Nuland, the actual arrearage status of the U.S. will begin in January.

        J Street urged the U.S. not to cut funding, saying disengagement from UNESCO would weaken the country’s international standing. “In addition to undermining our own national interests, it would also deprive Israel of its most vocal and powerful advocate in a key UN organ,” said Dylan Williams, J Street’s Director of Government Affairs.

      • Kathleen
        October 31, 2011, 7:23 pm

        flip the script… out of Israel and the I lobbies play book

      • Charon
        November 1, 2011, 1:53 am

        Rusty Pipes, that’s interesting. I wouldn’t trust JStreet though. JStreet is lipstick on a pig, an organization of Wittys. A new name for AIPAC more or less. They are a Zionist lobby and should be treated as such

      • Taxi
        October 31, 2011, 3:42 pm

        Mondo folks:
        I ain’t never seen so many of you so HAPPY before! Especially you, American! Chigachang purrrrrrrrrh woofwoof a-yahoooooooo!

      • American
        October 31, 2011, 10:52 pm

        I am happy!
        It might sound strange to some that as an American I want my country to get a ass kicking.
        But I came to the conclusion some time ago that’s what it’s gonna take to ever change our government and give Americans a chance to get their country back.
        Not that the US was ever perfect, but it is so f******* rotten now the whole world can smell it.

      • Taxi
        November 1, 2011, 2:27 am

        American,

        It’s totally patriotic to despise our corrupt treasonous politicians and seek their removal from office.

        What else is gonna save our great country except for awareness of facts and empowerment of truth?

  11. pabelmont
    October 31, 2011, 10:46 am

    The defunding: Loser takes his marbles and goes home. Actually, loser is losing his marbles. USA should congratulate Palestine. so should they all (one makes allowance for Israel not joining the happy party).

    The Palestine which joined UNESCO is not science fiction but, rather, anticipatory: a people with a well-recognized right to national determination has declared its territorial boundaries, generously allowing Israel the pre-1967 territory, and the world is saying, YES AND HIGH TIME.

    Uncle Sam wants to try the King Canute (Knut) trick, commanding the waves to stand still, but forgets the rest of the story:

    Henry of Huntingdon, the 12th-century chronicler, tells how Cnut set his throne by the sea shore and commanded the tide to halt and not wet his feet and robes. Yet “continuing to rise as usual [the tide] dashed over his feet and legs without respect to his royal person. Then the king leapt backwards, saying: “Let all men know how empty and worthless is the power of kings, for there is none worthy of the name, but He whom heaven, earth, and sea obey by eternal laws.” He then hung his gold crown on a crucifix, and never wore it again “to the honour of God the almighty King”.[94] This incident is usually misrepresented by popular commentators and politicians as an example of Cnut’s arrogance.

    (wiki)

    • American
      October 31, 2011, 10:58 am

      “Actually, loser is losing his marbles.”

      ROTFLMAO

    • Potsherd2
      October 31, 2011, 11:05 am

      The fact that Palestine is not (yet) an actual state is entirely the fault of Israel, so it is particularly hypocritical of Israel to deny it UNESCO membership on the grounds it is not an actual state.

      • Hostage
        October 31, 2011, 11:14 pm

        The fact that Palestine is not (yet) an actual state

        The United States officially recognized the State of Palestine in 1932. Israel was formed by an act of secession. The US officially recognized the union between Arab Palestine and Transjordan.

        Even if the hasbara claim that Jordan was an occupying power is credible, the Restatement (Third) of the Foreign Relations Law of the United States §201 stipulates that “The United States will treat States the territory of which is under foreign military occupation as continuing to exist.”

        So, US policy toward the remainder of the State of Palestine has been completely inexplicable since 1988.

        The US is a signatory of the Montevideo Convention, which is still listed as a Treaty in Force by the US State Department. It merely requires that: The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:
        *a. a permanent population;
        *b. a defined territory;
        *c. government; and
        *d. capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

        The UNESCO vote reflects the fact that Palestine possesses all of those qualifications. It has been formally recognized by the majority of the other state parties to the Montevideo Convention too.

  12. tombishop
    October 31, 2011, 10:54 am

    Is this a sign of desperation?

    Zionist Organization of America Condemns Occupy Movement While Honoring Beck

    link to talk2action.org

    • Potsherd2
      October 31, 2011, 11:06 am

      ZOA ought to go talk to the Israelis supporting the Occupy movement. They’re out of lockstep.

      • American
        October 31, 2011, 1:57 pm

        The ZOA is a gang of zionist psychopaths.
        Can you imagine counting how many times “Jews” are mentioned and complaining about Jews or Judaism not being mentioned enough by Obama?
        Im gonna start counting how many times gentile Americans are mentioned and credited for contributions to America. LOL
        Seriously their whinning is nausating. I wonder if they have any idea how disgusting their narcissism is to Americans? Probably not.

        Obama’s Rosh Hashanah Message – No Reference To ‘Jews,’ ‘Judaism’ Or Jewish Contribution To U.S. – Unlike Ramadan Message, Praising Islam And Muslim Contribution

        October 4, 2011
        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
        Contact: Morton A. Klein
        Phone: 212-481-1500 Print | Email

        The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) has again raised the issue of President Barack Obama’s attitude towards Jews and Israel, following the latest presidential Rosh Hashanah Message, addressed strangely to “everybody,” and in which he never actually mentioned ‘Jews’ or ‘Judaism’ even once, referred to ‘Jewish tradition’ only once, and said nothing about the Jewish contribution to American life or anything else. (This is in stark contrast to President Obama’s August 2010 Ramadan Message, in which he referred to ‘Muslims’ six times and to ‘Islam’ twice, stated that “American Muslims have made extraordinary contributions to our country,” and praised “Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings … a faith known for great diversity and racial equality”).

        Instead, in his Rosh Hashanah Message, President Obama discussed chiefly general world developments. Even when referring to Israel, President Obama mentioned the “unshakable” bonds between it and the U.S. but spoke only of Israel “fac[ing] the uncertainties of an unpredictable age,” not Arab/Muslim terror and rejection. (‘Remarks by the President on the Occasion of Rosh Hashanah,’ September 27, 2011).

        This is not the first time President Obama has spoken in such terms to Jews. In his Rosh Hashanah message last year, Obama only once referred to ‘Jews,’ not once to ‘Judaism,’ promoted a Palestinian state, and never mentioned the extraordinary contributions of Jews to the U.S. Also, in May 2010, when Obama signed the Daniel Pearl Press Freedom Act, he did not mention that Daniel Pearl, the Wall Street Journal reporter, was beheaded by Islamist terrorists because he was a Jew and that he was forced to state in the video recorded of his gruesome murder that he was an American Jew. Instead, Obama merely referred to Pearl’s “loss.”

      • annie
        October 31, 2011, 2:21 pm

        how many messages a year is he supposed to make? he also had a Hanukkah message and a Holocaust Remembrance Day message. does that count?

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 4:38 pm

        Israel and the 1% are both long term no nos. It is very difficult to credibly rebut the points raised by OWS regarding wealth distribution and corruption. Israel is the same. Nobody with a shred of humanity can support what Israel does to the Palestinians. It isn’t even in Israelis’ long term interest.

  13. pabelmont
    October 31, 2011, 11:15 am

    Nice analysis of UNESCO vote at 972mag

  14. tod
    October 31, 2011, 11:39 am

    Does anyone know who exactly voted: No?

    • American
      October 31, 2011, 12:59 pm

      I haven’t been able to find a list of the no votes but the NYT says:

      “The vote of Unesco’s full membership was 107 to 14, with 52 abstentions.

      Only 14 actually voting no says something big.

      link to nytimes.com

      And once again in the comments at NYT, the overwhelming majority are supportive of what UNESCO did. The negative hasbara comments are “remember the holocaust, eternal victims, the Palestines don’t deserve a country, Jews are being presecuted” etc., etc., etc.. same old narcissistic psychopathy for reasoning. A few negatives interspersed are we should not give Israel or Palestine or UNESCO or anyone any of our money.

      • lysias
        October 31, 2011, 1:53 pm

        Only 14 actually voting no says something big.

        Says the U.S. no longer has the wherewithal to bribe delegations.

      • seafoid
        October 31, 2011, 3:52 pm

        No voters :

        Czech Pre war Jews 90000 : murdered 80000
        Lithuania pre war Jews 168000 : murdered 140000
        Germany per war Jews 566000 : murdered 141500
        Netherlands pre war Jews 140 000 : murdered 100000

        link to humanitas-international.org

        And they take it out on the Palestinians. Rich .

  15. Walid
    October 31, 2011, 12:24 pm

    Is it too late for the Palestinians to apply to UNESCO to have it declare the Mamilla a heritage site?

    • Whizdom
      October 31, 2011, 12:43 pm

      FWITW, Mamilla is on Israeli side of green line. But it didn’t stop Israel from naming several WB sites as “national heritage” sites.

    • Chaos4700
      October 31, 2011, 4:08 pm

      Maybe, but what makes you think Israel won’t just demolish it anyway. What, is anyone going to sanction them? How many UN resolutions have they been actively violating now as it is?

  16. justicewillprevail
    October 31, 2011, 12:33 pm

    So let’s get this straight: Israel presumes it has the right to interfere in UNESCO’s decisions. Why? What does it matter to Israel if Palestine becomes a member? It further believes that it has the right to try and hurt UNESCO’s mission, because it is having a hissy fit over UNESCO’s decision. Israel, as ever, has the overweening arrogance to declare that UNESCO, and all the other international organisations must do as they are told by Israel, or they will be threatened with unspecified threats and rants.
    Israel is a loser. Why would this affect peace talks? Why does Israel feel so threatened by some international recognition of Palestine which won’t actually change any of Israel’s stranglehold over Palestine?
    The only conclusion a sane observer can reach is that Israel, as always, demands the unilateral right to decide what Palestine will become, whatever Palestine or the world might think. Israel is determined that a rump Palestinian ghetto will never be a state in any meaningful sense of the word, and even such a debilitated enclave will be solely controlled by Israeli guards. They detest even the concept of a Palestine which existed long before them, and has more ‘right to exist’ than they. Such token recognition by UN bodies freaks out the Israeli control freaks, who think they alone can subjugate, humiliate and have the power of life and death over an impoverished (by Israel) people. Their idea of Palestine is a cattle pen, a doghouse, a ghetto where life will be slowly made impossible. Recognition of Palestine by world bodies is counter to this strategy, and it horrifies them that Palestinians may actually be human beings with absolutely equal rights to the land as them, and have equal rights to setting up a real state as them. They are so drunk with their own ideology and twisted sense of selfhood that they are incapable of the sliver of humanity which would tell them this. And that is the only credible reason why they are so vindictively bullying and threatening over something which carries no threat to them whatsoever.
    Once again they posture and whine, putting themselves on the side of the losers and fanatics who try to turn the tide away at their puny, overbearing, self-aggrandising command.

    • dumvitaestspesest
      October 31, 2011, 1:38 pm

      They are hissing like a wounded snake, because things didn’t go exactly the way they wanted. Their “divide et impera” golden strategy doesn’t seem to work anymore so well. Millions of $$$ spent yearly on worldy , hasbarist’s, brainwashing propaganda didn’t bring the expected return. Bummer.
      The world is slowly waking up, and there is not too much they can do.
      Time to learn new tricks ,or grease more V.I.P’s palms.

  17. American
    October 31, 2011, 1:41 pm

    “Why does Israel feel so threatened by some international recognition of Palestine which won’t actually change any of Israel’s stranglehold over Palestine?”

    Because….Israel does not want Palestine to EXIST…..has never wanted Palestine to exist. If I had a dime for every zionist and Israeli that claims there is no such place as Palestine and no such people as Palestines…..

    The so called peace talks, the 60 years of stalling…..it’s all just crap.
    Israel wants Palestine to disappear…the Palestines have finally recognized that basic fact and smartly going about proving that Palestine does exist and is recognized by the majority of the world.

  18. annie
    October 31, 2011, 2:29 pm

    OMG the video makes me burst into tears..thank you for adding it to the post !!!!!!

    now i have to go watch it again

    • CloakAndDagger
      October 31, 2011, 3:22 pm

      It brought tears to my eyes too! I didn’t realize such a minor milestone would make me so emotional!

    • Mndwss
      October 31, 2011, 3:40 pm

      I have watched the video 3 times now.

      And i cry like a little girl every time….

      When someone disagree with the US they are told to join the world…

      Today the world told the US to fuck off…

      • justicewillprevail
        October 31, 2011, 6:18 pm

        The reaction at the end is wonderful: warm, heartfelt and hugely encouraging to everybody on the side of justice. I also love how the decision waves a powerful finger to the US and Israel by saying. “We will not be bought by threats of blackmail over funding; moreover we would rather have less money to work with but retain honour and dignity, by giving hope to oppressed and delegitimised, dispossessed people everywhere”. No-one with an ounce of humanity could refrain from cheering too, as the heartless mafia of US/ISrael is told to piss off.

      • Hostage
        October 31, 2011, 11:34 pm

        Today the world told the US to fuck off…

        In a March 1950 letter from the Secretary-General to the President of the Security Council Concerning “Legal Aspects of Problems of Representation in the United Nations”, link to un.org the Secretary described the hostile reaction of the US Ambassador when the Security Council representative from Syria tabled a resolution requesting an ICJ advisory opinion on the legal status of Israeli statehood. The Syrian Ambassador challenged the premature recognition of the Provisional Government of Israel by the United States. Mr. Austin replied:

        “I should regard it as highly improper for me to admit that any country on earth can question the sovereignty of the United States of America in the exercise of that high political act of recognition of the de facto status of a State. Moreover, I would not admit here, by implication or by direct answer, that there exists a tribunal of Justice or of any other kind, anywhere, that can pass judgment upon the legality or the validity of that act of my Country. There were certain powers and certain rights of a sovereign State which were not yielded by any of the members who signed the United Nations Charter and in particular this power to recognize the de facto authority of a provisional Government was not yielded. When it was exercised by my Government, it was done as a practical step, in recognition of realities: the existence of things, and the recognition of a change that had actually taken place. I am certain that no nation on earth has any right to question that, or to lay down a proposition that a certain length of time of the exercise of de facto authority must elapse before that authority can be recognized.”

        Israel had no control whatsoever over the majority of its territory in the Negev until many months later. Other states have a perfect right to use the same rationale the US used when it recognized Israel, and to tell the US to mind its own business.

      • Inanna
        November 1, 2011, 4:35 am

        Thanks Hostage. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your contributions on Mondoweiss.

      • Shingo
        November 1, 2011, 7:06 am

        Indeed,

        Hostage is a priceless resource.

  19. American
    October 31, 2011, 2:31 pm

    I just noticed the country list up now above.

    What strikes me is that some countries voting for Palestine, which means against the US, like Greece, are in economic trouble, and a lot on the list are in need of aid themselves, and yet they risked the rath of the US and voted for Palestine anyway.
    Reminds me….how do you eat an elephant?…one bite at a time.
    Or death by a thousand cuts.

    • Charon
      October 31, 2011, 3:36 pm

      The US is broke and fiat money is worthless when people lose faith in it. Those countries who voted against it are more at risk for a clandestine Oslo-style retalitory attack than worrying about losing our blood money printed out of thin air by a private foreign-controlled bank.

  20. dumvitaestspesest
    October 31, 2011, 2:41 pm

    The US reaction to the UNESCO decision clearly shows , how the USA and Israel relations are indeed a “Joint-venture”. “A marriage” made in……hm…
    “Ubi tu Gaius, ibi ego Gaia.” (Where thou art Gaius, I shall be Gaia.)

    • Charon
      October 31, 2011, 3:47 pm

      The reaction is also the equivalent of blackmail. The US is isolating itself on an international stage. Isolation is a risk to every American man, woman, and child. Nobody hates the USA because of its ‘freedom’ they hate it because we’re the bad guy. Which explains unconditional support for Zionist Israel, genocide disguised as war in Iraq and Afghanistan, depleted uranium munitions, etc. It would be interesting to find out exactly what point the USA became the USSA.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        October 31, 2011, 4:16 pm

        It looks like I plopped from from one communistic country, down to another one, (still in disguise, though).
        Talking about bad luck:)
        Or mabye I’m the one who brings it?? Oh great. I better hide, quickly:)

  21. Whizdom
    October 31, 2011, 2:49 pm

    conflicting reports. Can the US continue to be an active member if we don’t pay our dues? Vicky Nuland says yes. UN bylaws say no. which is correct?

    • mig
      October 31, 2011, 5:44 pm

      Whizdom :

      conflicting reports. Can the US continue to be an active member if we don’t pay our dues? Vicky Nuland says yes. UN bylaws say no. which is correct?

      US can still be active member, but no right to vote. No money, no honey in UNESCO.

      • Hostage
        October 31, 2011, 9:13 pm

        US can still be active member, but no right to vote. No money, no honey in UNESCO.

        The same applies to the General Assembly under Article 19 of the UN Charter:

        A Member of the United Nations which is in arrears in the payment of its financial contributions to the Organization shall have no vote in the General Assembly if the amount of its arrears equals or exceeds the amount of the contributions due from it for the preceding two full years. The General Assembly may, nevertheless, permit such a Member to vote if it is satisfied that the failure to pay is due to conditions beyond the control of the Member.

        link to un.org

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 9:42 pm

        So basically the US runs the risk of being demoted to something akin to non-voting observer status? Not on the Security Council, obviously, but we’d be stripped of our participation theoretically anywhere else in the UN by defunding it. Palestine rises and the US falls, and we all have Israel to thank for being uncompromising in their greed, because none of this would be necessary without them.

  22. Richard Witty
    October 31, 2011, 3:11 pm

    Congratulations Palestinian Authority.

    I hope this is the beginning of their full participation as a viable, healthy, recognized state living in peace with all its neighbors.

    • Taxi
      October 31, 2011, 3:45 pm

      Palestine’s already living in peace with it’s neighbors. It’s the frigging occupiers of it’s land it’s got problems with.

      • Charon
        October 31, 2011, 4:22 pm

        But Taxi, what about the baby suicide bombers? And the school bus rockets? And those airliner hijackings in the 70s? And Hamas’ charter? And Jared Fogel’s family? And even though they recognize Israel’s right to exist, they won’t recognize it as the Jewish state which means they really don’t recognize Israel’s right to exist. Right?

        Nevermind all the far worse things Israel has put them through. They didn’t happen because the media didn’t report it. All those Americans Israel kills (including on the USS Liberty) are Jihadist Marxist Leftists. Furkan Dogan was a Turk, not an American. He was a Neo-Ottoman with ties to Hamas and desires to establish Sharia law in the ME.

        How can you say they are living in peace when Israel deals with terror on a daily basis and are sweet innocent peaceful people who survived the holocaust (never again!) which they remember like it was yesterday, even the kids remember it? Israel has a right to defend itself with it’s modern high-tech military and nuclear weapons against those evil rocks and molotov cocktails. And of course those rockets made in basements that give them nightmares. (/sarcasm)

    • Charon
      October 31, 2011, 3:55 pm

      Witty, what did the Palestinian Authority have to do with this? Abbas applied as a representative of the PLO just like he did at the UN SC. To many Palestinians, mentioning the PA is like saying occupation to a Zionist. It will soon become a relic of the failed ‘peace process’ when the new government is established (with or without Hamas).

      I do agree with hoping this is a beginning of a viable, healthy, and recognized state living in peace with all its neighbors. Hopefully those neighbors will include Syria and Lebanon from a border standpoint if you get my meaning.

    • Sumud
      October 31, 2011, 5:33 pm

      Congratulations Palestinian Authority.

      Are you taking the piss, or after all these years on MW do you still not understand the basic governance structures in Palestine?

      It is “Congratulations Palestine“, not Palestinian Authority.

      The PA is a temporary administrative body set up under Oslo to be Israel’s junior partner in the occupation. The PLO is the body that represents all Palestinians (diaspora and those living under occupation) at the UN.

      UNESCO just admitted Palestine, not the PA, as a full member.

      Palestine, the country.

      • Kathleen
        October 31, 2011, 7:41 pm

        Congratulations Palestine!

        “”The U.S. has been clear for the need of a two-state resolution, but the only path is through direct negotiations and there are no shortcuts, and initiatives like today are counterproductive.”

        “shortcuts”how fucking absurd when US officials repeat “there are no shortcuts”…who do they think believes anything the US says about this situation.

      • Charon
        November 1, 2011, 2:01 am

        There are no shortcuts but credible ‘intelligence’ says Iraq harbored weapons of mass destruction beyond anything imaginable therefore we must ‘liberate’ them with infant-deforming depleted uranium munitions and fake stories about Jessica Lynch and such. And the million civilians caught in the crossfire are collateral damage. USA! USA! Never Forget! 9/11! Terrorism! Take off your shoes and put your laptop in a plastic bin when you go to Disney World. Looks like your 4-year-old was chosen for a random TSA search. Time to get some molestation on

        I love my country but I despise our leadership. They will all burn in hell

  23. Taxi
    October 31, 2011, 3:14 pm

    I ain’t talking cuz I’m DANCING GEDIN’DOWN ROCKIN’OUT UHUH!

  24. CloakAndDagger
    October 31, 2011, 3:26 pm

    I am a little surprised with Greece voting “yes”. With the recent overtures from Israel and International financial pressure, I had expected them to go the other way. Times, they are a changin’…

    • CloakAndDagger
      October 31, 2011, 3:27 pm

      Not to mention Cyprus as well! Wow!

    • Charon
      October 31, 2011, 4:09 pm

      Least they could do after sinking the flotilla. Surprised that the Oceanic states didn’t abstain (New Zealand did). The rest are all Zionitized countries whose leaders are the only friends Israel has left in the world. The ones who abstained, even the Western nations, might as well be considered to have voted a hesitant no.

      • Chaos4700
        October 31, 2011, 4:20 pm

        I have to confess I’m surprised the UK merely abstained.

      • CloakAndDagger
        October 31, 2011, 4:24 pm

        Yep – that is tantamount to a “yes” in their case.

      • lysias
        October 31, 2011, 4:29 pm

        I wonder if that vote reflects the weakening of the Tories’ right wing after Liam Fox was forced to resign.

      • Charon
        October 31, 2011, 6:10 pm

        Agreed. And giving Australia’s stance it is a bit surprising. Like they are uncoordinated or something.

      • lysias
        October 31, 2011, 6:59 pm

        I suspect Australia would not have voted no if Kevin Rudd were still prime minister.

        There was a lot of talk at the time of the party coup that dumped him in favor of Julia Gillard that Zionist big donors to the Aussie Labour Party were threatening to deny campaign funds to the party. Shortly before he was removed from office, Rudd had condemned the Israeli attack on the Freedom Flotilla

      • Djinn
        October 31, 2011, 9:07 pm

        Not really sure where the idea that Rudd would be better on Palestine comes from. Rudd, whatever his personal views, has always been outwardly pro Zionist, just like any careerist politician. There was a considerable reaction to the flotilla attack, more so than is usually the case in Oz, he couldn’t really avoid saying something about it. Rudd was toppled by the mining lobby and the fact that he no factional support. Every Oz PM is a Zionist, even if for no other reason than they know fine well they are simply governors of America’s pacific colony. We have NO foreign policy, it is set 100% in Washington. Rudd is actually less sympathetic on Palestine than Gillard is personally (doubt we’ll ever see Gillard calling BDS campaigners Blackshirts for example) but their personal views are irrelevant. Until we become an independent nation or the US changes it’s stance, Australia’s love and support for Israel will continue on it’s merry bipartisan way.

      • ToivoS
        November 1, 2011, 12:02 am

        Djinn appreciate your comments. I am thinking that the Australian economy is becoming more and more aligned with China so don’t you think a time will come when the Aussies will have to realize that they are no longer tied to the US (or to Israel of all the absurd alliances).

      • Inanna
        November 1, 2011, 4:40 am

        I’m not sure where Kevin and Julia’s personal views are towards Palestine but I do know back in August prior to this heart surgery, Rudd advised Gillard to abstain from the Palestine statehood bid rather than vote no because he wanted to curry favor with Arab/Muslim nations in the next Australian bid for a seat on the Security Council. Gillard shut him down. Seems to me Rudd is willing to be far less of an ideologue than Gillard on this issue.

      • Djinn
        November 1, 2011, 5:52 am

        Some day we’ll have to. As long as there’s no major conflict between our slavish kow towing to US foreign policy and the economic interests of the Chinese then it’s steady as she goes but the US Empire is in decline and we’ll jump off eventually and hitch our ride to whoever the next big kid on the block is. Our foreign policy still won’t be our own and won’t be any better, only the victims of it will change.

    • lysias
      October 31, 2011, 4:28 pm

      When the result of the vote is foreordained anyway, why not vote what popular opinion in your country supports? Especially when voting in an unpopular way might further antagonize an already riled populace and possibly cause the next austerity program to be voted down.

      In the U.S. Congress, a vote in that situation is called a free vote.

  25. dumvitaestspesest
    October 31, 2011, 4:04 pm

    I don’t want to be a party pooper, but I have a strange feeling that Israel in order to increase its rapidly falling “deterrance capacity” is up to something no good.
    I ain’t a fortune teller either . It is just my “gut feeling” talking .
    I hope it is mistaken.

    • Chaos4700
      October 31, 2011, 4:21 pm

      Probably, but it was coming sooner or later, anyway. The march for lebensraum stops for no one. Until it is stopped by someone else.

    • CloakAndDagger
      October 31, 2011, 4:26 pm

      “up to no good” implies that they were either neutral or “up to good” before.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        October 31, 2011, 4:38 pm

        You are right. They never were “up to good.”
        :et’s just enjoy today ‘s good news.
        Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

    • Charon
      October 31, 2011, 6:16 pm

      My gut feeling is they are planning to attack Iran and there is a very good chance such an attack will ignite a global nuclear war due to the chain reaction. I haven’t lost complete faith in our leadership as a whole so if such a strike were underway, I would hope that the Israeli aircraft would be shot down by us in Iraq before they got there. Yeah DBG and eee, I would pray that Israeli aircraft would be shot down by Americans and their pilots killed dead as they deserve. Oy Vey! Antisemite! How dare I say such thing about the most moral army on Earth.

      • lysias
        October 31, 2011, 6:54 pm

        I don’t think you’d have to shoot them down to foil an attack. Jamming and electronic countermeasures should be enough to do the job.

      • Kathleen
        October 31, 2011, 7:21 pm

        Israel as well as the I lobby have been setting the go get Iran stage for a solid eight years. Repeating unsubstantiated claims far and wide with the majority of MSM’s blessings. No challenges when the same old same old repeat the false claims about Iran

      • Colin Murray
        November 1, 2011, 12:06 am

        “I would hope that the Israeli aircraft would be shot down by us in Iraq before they got there.”

        This is not going to happen. Central Command officially ceded legal responsibility for Iraqi airspace to its government several weeks ago. Given that the Obama administration has shown itself desperate to find reasons to leave force structure in Iraq and that the Iraqi government currently cannot defend its own airspace, it is not unlikely that the hastiness of our withdrawal was motivated by Pres. Obama’s desire not to face having to make a lose-lose shoot-down decision.

  26. iRevolt
    October 31, 2011, 4:14 pm

    I must admit, as cynical as I am, this made me cry. Though I don’t consider this as monumental as many are making this out to be it was touching to see so many in support of Palestine being admitted into UNESCO. I especially liked the bit with Venezuela saying Si¡ loudly. Beautiful yet painful all at once; to grant an occupied nation membership in a part of the body which aided in dismembering it to begin with.

  27. dumvitaestspesest
    October 31, 2011, 4:27 pm

    And here are a few songs from different countries, honoring this eternal, human need for living in justice, freedom, dignity and peace.
    It is deeply imprinted in the souls of good , decent, honest people all over the planet.

    link to youtube.com

    link to youtube.com

  28. Les
    October 31, 2011, 4:56 pm

    We hear that the US will cut all funding for Unesco. How does that compare with the total sum US taxpayers will have to pay to those who abstained or voted no?

    • Charon
      October 31, 2011, 6:22 pm

      Good question. Apparently the US provided 22% of their budget.

      Either way, my country looks utterly ridiculous for doing this. As an American it is a fact that my country’s leaders criminals and dictators. I don’t care what the patriot act allows, such leadership is a concern for every moral human being in the USA and collectively we have to do something about it no mattter what the price is

      • justicewillprevail
        October 31, 2011, 7:15 pm

        Nice of the US to demonstrate to the world their meanness, and that aid is solely there to further political interests and not for the alleviation of poverty. And of course, that they will do absolutely anything Israel tells them to do, however humiliating or against their own interests.

  29. lysias
    October 31, 2011, 6:52 pm

    Unless I’ve missed somebody, the only countries in Latin America not to vote yes were Mexico and Colombia, which abstained.

    • Charon
      November 1, 2011, 2:04 am

      And Panama. Noriega sleeps with elder Bush every night so that is hardly a surprise

  30. kursato
    October 31, 2011, 7:09 pm

    The Netherlands has a minority right wing government with support of Geert wilders (read: anti immigrant zionist) and a Jewish foreign minister Uri Rosenthal

  31. kursato
    October 31, 2011, 7:09 pm

    Why did Swedes vote no?

    • Chaos4700
      October 31, 2011, 8:26 pm

      I have to imagine some of the no-votes were out of fear that the US would slash funding to the UN.

    • ToivoS
      November 1, 2011, 12:23 am

      My question also. Norway and Finland, yes — Sweden no. What happened to Sweden?

    • Charon
      November 1, 2011, 2:06 am

      Sweden is the only Zionist Nordic country

      • lysias
        November 1, 2011, 3:03 pm

        Sweden has a right-wing government, headed by Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt, who supported Bush in both 2000 and 20o4.

        Don’t forget how the Swedish government has been willing to go after Assange.

      • Mndwss
        November 1, 2011, 4:11 pm

        Yesterday was a sad day for Sweden.

        Olof Palme must be spinning around in his grave….

        He supported the palestinians, and mossad was never a suspect in his assassination…?

        They looked everywhere else for the killer.

        But looking in israel must have been to controversial…..

  32. Kathleen
    October 31, 2011, 7:19 pm

    Call, visit, twitter, facebook email your Reps contact MSM outlets, etc demand that the US cut aide to Israel. At the very least demand that Israel itemize where they are spending US aide. Demand that any aide used in any way shape or form for illegal settlements, illegal walls, bulldozing Palestinian homes etc be cut.

    Keep the pressure up. Go to the If Americans Knew website and order brochures, information packets etc. Hand them out where ever you go

  33. Kathleen
    October 31, 2011, 7:58 pm

    Adam, Phil, Annie, Mondo team. Have you heard Chris Matthews hammer Israel a bit. Hammer Obama on being too soft with Israel. Listen.

    8:17 start
    This President “gets pushed around by Bibi Netanyahu” “we are the ones giving them 3 billion a year” not the other way around..”get tough with Israel” Never thought I would hear this out of Chris Matthews mouth.

    Matthew on new JFK book
    link to hardballblog.msnbc.msn.com

    • Kathleen
      October 31, 2011, 8:58 pm

      Listened again. Seems Chris Matthews is growing a pair

      • annie
        October 31, 2011, 9:30 pm

        thanks kathleen. i agree he showed some spine.

      • Kathleen
        October 31, 2011, 9:56 pm

        unusual

      • Kathleen
        October 31, 2011, 10:02 pm

        this one is interesting over Weekly Standard. Still trying to paint the OWS as “antisemitic” Watch the clip

        Used to go read over there to read the spin. Read which war or immoral invasion Kristol was promoting next
        More Anti-Semitism—and Conspiracy Theories—at Occup
        link to weeklystandard.com

    • Charon
      November 1, 2011, 2:10 am

      Subtle jab, not a career killer. I like it. Need more of this. The USA isn’t all a bunch of fundie Christian Zionists. If they all knew about the annual 3+ billion period it would be a problem, even if Israel was a real ally.

  34. justsayin
    October 31, 2011, 8:33 pm

    HOPEFULLY, there will be an effort to have fresh faces governing the Pals,
    Hopefully the rockets money trail will be shut down

  35. Kathleen
    October 31, 2011, 8:34 pm

    the spin over at Huffington Post..

    Palestine Statehood Bid: U.S. Cuts Off UNESCO Funding After Palestine Vote .4000 comments
    link to huffingtonpost.com

    • CloakAndDagger
      October 31, 2011, 8:46 pm

      I have given up on reading Huffington post – particularly after the AOL purchase. The comments section is particularly annoying. It is probably the most hasbara-infested internet rag today. The majority of the comments are infantile, and their citizen-moderator policy is pretty impractical. If you happen to post certain views during the hours when Israel is awake, they are bound to be deleted, whereas they pass through unhindered at other hours.

      I find little of educational value there.

      • Kathleen
        October 31, 2011, 9:54 pm

        they have always been to Hollywood for me. But go there to see what is up. What folks are saying. They seldom are brave enough to put up anything on their front page that criticizes Israel.

      • Kathleen
        October 31, 2011, 9:55 pm

        Have put up several Mondoweiss links that make it through. Important to widen cracks and let the line in as many places as possible

      • annie
        October 31, 2011, 10:37 pm

        i saw your comments @ chris matthews. impressive

        ;)

      • Kathleen
        November 1, 2011, 9:15 am

        I have been politely hounding Chris Matthews for years now. He is receptive to ideas, guest etc. His producers not so much. But you can get through to him. Also politely hound the rest of the MSNBC (Ed, Rachel, Lawrence) crew.

        Have yet to be successful at getting him to have Flynt and Hillary Mann Leverett on his program to discuss the facts on the ground in Iran. Must be road blocks up like they had up against Professor Juan Cole (which were discovered by Cole)

  36. justsayin
    October 31, 2011, 8:49 pm

    Lets put some real undisputed facts by having the ICC place monitors, and cameras for the entire world to see WHOM is reallt behind all the discraceful actions, follow the money trail of the rockets back to the very people whom supplied it.
    Now they need elected officials and not USA & Israeli puppets whom have mislead the world into belief that fighting to stay alive from the agressions of others will not be called terror any more.
    The world is ready to put puppets where they belong soon after all the infiltrated systems have been UN MONOPOLIZED by the USA and israel lemmings.

    • Kathleen
      October 31, 2011, 10:03 pm

      The US has blocked sending in international observers/peace keepers for decades. I think the US has vetoed this at least four times at the UN

    • Charon
      November 1, 2011, 2:14 am

      There is a reason why those guys firing the rockets cover their entire faces.. Ask any Palestinian. Hasbarists would laugh it off but they are paid to, plus Israel has an indisputable history of false flagging, even a Hasbarist has nothing to counter such facts except the usual ‘we rule, they suck, you suck, everything sucks’ and rhetorical questions/tricks, smear tactics, etc. The lack off eee/DBG in this thread is pretty friggin amazing

  37. Whizdom
    November 1, 2011, 8:42 am

    Heh, Now the PA is applying for membership in a slew of other UN orgs and Agencies, IAEA, WIPO, ILO, International Telecommunications Agency. Will the US defund all these also?

    • lysias
      November 1, 2011, 3:50 pm

      Google and Microsoft won’t be happy if the U.S. loses its vote in the WIPO.

      • Chaos4700
        November 3, 2011, 1:02 am

        Forget losing the vote, what happens if WIPO stops caring about enforcing intellectual property rights for US entities at all because we defund them?

  38. pookieross
    November 1, 2011, 8:46 am

    When will folks realize that Hilary Clinton is very close to Bibi Netanyahu and has hired an all pro-Israeli staff and circle at State?

  39. eGuard
    November 1, 2011, 9:19 am

    Not only the UK government has abstained, the BBC is ignoring this news too.

  40. justicewillprevail
    November 1, 2011, 9:20 am

    Craig Murray has an interesting take on these events, here is an extract:

    “So the UNESCO membership is crucial recognition of Palestine’s statehood, not an empty gesture. With this evidence of international acceptance, there is now absolutely no reason why Palestine cannot, instantly and without a vote, join the International Criminal Court. Palestine can now become a member of the International Criminal Court simply by submitting an instrument of accession to the Statute of Rome, and joining the list of states parties.

    As both the USA and Israel refuse to join the ICC because of their desire to commit war crimes with impunity, acceding to the statute of Rome would not only confirm absolutely that Palestine is a state, it would reinforce the fact that Palestine is a better international citizen with more moral legitimacy than Israel.

    There is an extremely crucial point here: if Palestine accedes to the Statute of Rome, under Article 12 of the Statute of Rome, the International Criminal Court would have jurisdiction over Israelis committing war crimes on Palestinian soil. Other states parties – including the UK – would be obliged by law to hand over indicted Israeli war criminals to the court at the Hague. This would be a massive blow to the Israeli propaganda and lobbying machine.”

    link to craigmurray.org.uk

    • Hostage
      November 1, 2011, 3:35 pm

      Craig Murray has an interesting take on these events, . . . if Palestine accedes to the Statute of Rome, under Article 12 of the Statute of Rome . . . Other states parties – including the UK – would be obliged by law to hand over indicted Israeli war criminals to the court at the Hague.

      Yes we’ve discussed that topic here before and the mistaken impression that Great Britain had granted some form of immunity when it changed its statute. link to mondoweiss.net

  41. kursato
    November 1, 2011, 9:32 am

    Israel really lost a big ally and a friend. The loss of Turkey has strategic impact. Turkey has thrown every weight it has in the diplomatic world to lobby nations for yes.

    The man at 3:08 is the OIC Secretary General Dr. Ekmeledin Ihsanoglu (Turkish). All 56 member states voted yes.

    • DBG
      November 1, 2011, 10:09 am

      Turkey would have voted yes regardless of the latest diplomatic strife between the two nations. Turkey has never ‘lobbied’ Arab/Muslim countries to vote on the side of Israel in the UN.

      • kursato
        November 1, 2011, 4:47 pm

        It has however. It was Turkey who mediated between Syria and Israel. It could have been Turkey who could give Israel the lasting peace it needed.

      • Chaos4700
        November 3, 2011, 1:01 am

        Peace would have destroyed Israel too. There is no Israel without war, Israelis will tell you as much in subtext.

  42. hughsansom
    November 1, 2011, 10:02 am

    If the US were concerned with the law — as Victoria Nuland pretends — then aid to Israel would be severed under American laws restricting aid to non-signatories to the Non-Proliferation Treaty that pursue nuclear weapons.

  43. dumvitaestspesest
    November 1, 2011, 10:32 am

    The more actions of Israel become transparent , obvious to the international public, the more actions of the US’s politicians, supporting unconditionally Israel, become very, extremely, suspicious.
    Bordering on the treason??

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