Egyptian protester: ‘They brought snipers to finish us off. As if we are Palestine and they are Israel.’

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Land, property theft & destruction / Ethnic cleansing / Threats to Palestine culture and history

Despite living in his home for nearly fifty years, and despite the fact there are legal documents clearly stating that the land is owned by the Somrein family, Mohammed Somrein’s land has been declared absentee property and thus subject to confiscation.
 
Demolition threats continue in Imnzeizil
On the same morning when an official from the ICA, Israeli Civil Administration, promised to “pardon” the demolition orders of the solar panels in Imneizil, a village at the southern border of the West Bank, a new demolition order was delivered to the village on 21 November. Two representatives from ICA showed up at the school in Imneizel and handed over a demolition order that commanded the immediate cessation of restroom construction at the school.
http://palsolidarity.org/2011/11/demolition-threats-continue-in-imnzeizil/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+palsolidarity+%28International+Solidarity+Movement%29

Al-Walajeh, a Village Soon Surrounded
Aaron Rotenberg – PNN – “After years of land confiscation and housing demolitions, the fate the residents of al-Walaja have to look forward to is the complete encircling of their village by the wall.”
http://english.pnn.ps/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10897&Itemid=58

 

Yishai calls for Israeli presence in Joseph’s Tomb
Interior minister visits holy site in Nablus together with 1,500 Jewish worshippers, says ‘Tomb belongs to us and we must resume full control’.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4152545,00.html

Refugees
 
Lebanon in the Eyes of Palestinian Refugees
The Lebanese public discourse is saturated with negative representations of Palestinians. Rarely do Palestinian refugees get to speak their mind of how they in return view the Lebanese, as people and parties.
Israeli Regime & Settler Terrorism Against Palestinians

IDF prepares for possible Gaza op
Gaza Division holds contingency exercise ahead of possible offensive in Strip. Drill tests operational range of Engineering Corps’ D9 bulldozers.

 
Israel: New Commander Should Protect Palestinians From Settler Violence
(Jerusalem) – The newly-appointed Israeli military commander in the West Bank should end the military’s hands-off approach to settler attacks against Palestinians and Palestinian property, Human Rights Watch said today. Human Rights Watch also called on the new commander to end the use of excessive force by security forces against Palestinians responding to settler attacks.
http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/11/21/israel-new-commander-should-protect-palestinians-settler-violence

Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinians with Impunity, Stephen Lendman
Palestinians are doubly cursed. Israel’s military attacks them regularly. During the past week alone, Israeli air strikes killed four Gazans, wounding another 14. Al-Nabi Saleh village residents participating in a peaceful demonstration were assaulted. Two injuries were reported, including a child. Israel’s navy arrested three Palestinian fishermen, confiscating their boats. Their security forces conducted 91 incursions (13 a day on average) into Palestinian communities, arresting 14 civilians. One injury was reported. Israeli security forces raided homes of recently released Palestinian prisoners. They were ordered to appear for questioning to harass and perhaps re-incarcerate them.
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2011/11/gaza-good-news-and-bad.html

Political Detainees / Other Prisoner News

IOF kidnap 11 Palestinians today in Jenin and Nablus
The Israeli occupation forces (IOF) kidnapped Tuesday morning 11 Palestinian citizens, most of them during violent raids on homes, in Jenin and Nablus cities.
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/En/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s7JaZ1WBQBUC%2bBOLiKddK2X0KSYmMk3hqtjV6TTPVgMnTIdFDnvxQCkmNVp1untnahd8HgHzwxo6dQwNUIltrdgL8nGEooPKI71T0TTcAr5yU%3d

Two Young Men Arrested in Beit Ommar Army Raid
At 1:30am in the morning November 23rd, 2011, Yousef Mohammad Kamel Za’aqiq (21) and Haidar Falah Abu Maria (24) were arrested from their homes. The two young men were taken to Gush Etzion, no reasons were given for the arrest. As part of the Israeli apartheid strategy to suppress the Palestinian non-violent peace activism, several arrests and other forms of harassment of the residents of Beit Ommar have occurred this autumn.
http://palestinesolidarityproject.org/2011/11/23/two-young-men-arrested-in-beit-ommar-army-raid/

Detention of female journalist extended
The Israeli court in Jerusalem on Monday extended the detention of Palestinian journalist Isra’a Salhab till next Friday for further interrogation.
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/En/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s7b%2fYXVrzLr%2foWJXtg1FFX%2f2lur4a5CcYYb1U%2be%2f6utXsR8XnTpzDXYgQdGa%2f8ziITX4OTttPRujMYGCiOn9pEq2bG2iXSA11FCCMuOc5oEGI%3d

P.A. Ready To Submit The Detainees’ File To The Hague
Palestinian Minister of Detainees, Issa Qaraqe’, stated that all preparations to present the file of the Palestinian detainees, held by Israel, to the International Court at The Hague, were concluded and the case will be presented to the court soon.
http://www.imemc.org/article/62550

MK: Israel discriminates against Palestinian citizens in jail
RAMALLAH (Ma’an) — Knesset member Ibrahim Sarsour on Wednesday said Israel discriminated against citizens of Palestinian origin in jail. Sarsour said Palestinian citizens of Israel were not given the same rights as other citizens in jail, yet they were usually excluded from prisoner swap agreements because Israel considered them a domestic matter.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=438835

Massive march tomorrow to demand release of political detainees in W. Bank
The association of Muslim youth along with the family committee of political detainees invited the Palestinian people to take part in the 22nd march against political arrest in the West Bank.
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/En/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s7XBgWWcfBp8sipiuQVT3YGr1075I%2bS6rmju4ppXurhjOa6LYXZc9%2fXegMT%2b%2fnmzWxjGSJv3QqA%2f2HD2IiI1FfAUi2BdHEH4xBIBbStlq5pEs%3d

Gaza

A love story, a Palestinian story, Lina al-Sharif 
In April, we were officially engaged. But I had still not yet met Mohammed in person. From April to September, our chats were often cut by the electricity outages, bad Internet connection and the Israeli siege on Gaza. Hearing the ghastly stories of Rafah crossing, the continuous closures and the difficulty of going out and in Gaza, made us more determined to meet. But there were times when I used to tell Mohammed: “being engaged to a Palestinian is a pain, isn’t?” To which he would answer: “I love you all the more because you are a Palestinian.” That answer was enough for me to stand the days, weeks and months of talking on Skype.

 

Universal declaration against besieging nations issued in Gaza
A galaxy of lawmakers from Islamic, Arab and European countries issued on Tuesday evening “the universal declaration against besieging nations” during a ceremony held in the Gaza Strip.
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/En/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s7Jo4kiwSbBXmUsH6j6Bhe1jupwH0D4OLDSIsTH5NZV0R5fw7Ci7iY0mdCasPVE2SbsGA1%2f2UMD0NQOPYM%2bAbC22ILxWlj03DapxWowzASJDY%3d

Tarzan and Arab: Gaza-Based Filmmakers Look for First Feature Funding
You probably haven’t heard of Tarzan and Arab, identical twin brothers from Gaza who, until recently, had never done what you likely do on a regular basis: go to the movies. There are no cinemas in the Hamas-controlled Gaza, something that makes the twins’s story that much more amazing. Tarzan and Arab — real names: Ahmed and Mohamed Abu Nasser — are aspiring filmmakers who have already won awards for their short film. “As artists we are restricted by living in a conservative and tough community,” said Arab to the Guardian UK in August. “Let’s be realistic. Our life is under siege, under control. People don’t have time for art. They spend all their time looking for crumbs. They say, ‘What use is art? Art will not give you bread.’” 
http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/11/23/tarzan-and-arab-feature-film/

Solidarity / Activism / Boycott, Divestment & Sanctions

Activists to sue Minnnesota for investments that fund Israeli occupation
The following was published today on Mondoweiss.net by organizers with our coalition member group, Minnesota Break the Bonds, regarding their landmark suit against the State of Minnesota for illegally investing in Israel bonds. The US Campaign is very encouraged to see this emerging and brilliant form of grassroots divestment activism, and hopes that someday soon all 22 U.S. states currently invested in Israel bonds will have been shaken by similar campaigns.
http://blog.endtheoccupation.org/2011/11/activists-to-sue-minnnesota-for.html

 
The Growing Impact of BDS Creating Anxiety amongst pro-Israel Groups
The growing success of the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) campaign internationally has Israel’s US supporters panicked. In response to the surging momentum of BDS, pro-Israel groups have launched “Buy Israel Week,” which will run Nov. 28 to Dec. 4. The initiative, with counts BDS target Ahava as one of its sponsors, isfrantically being promoted as a way to counteract the BDS movement and those that “work to undermine Israel’s right to exist.”
http://blog.endtheoccupation.org/2011/11/growing-impact-of-bds-creating-anxiety.html
Sabra alternative: Inching towards social responsibility at DePaul University, Sami Kishawi
One year ago, Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) at DePaul University launched a campaign to remove Sabra Hummus from campus shelves after confirming that Sabra’s parent company, the Strauss Group, provides material and financial aid to the Israeli military. Although a vote by the student body overwhelmingly supported the divestment campaign, the university’s administration ultimately chose to continue selling the product. Earlier this school year, however, the university introduced an alternative hummus brand that appears to imply that DePaul is in fact inching towards socially-responsible investment.
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/sabra-alternative-inching-towards-social-responsibility-at-depaul-university.html

Are the Freedom Rides a detour for the struggle?, Linah Alsaafin
Last week, six courageous Palestinians attempted to defy racism, segregation and apartheid by boarding Jewish settler-only buses in the hopes of reaching Jerusalem, a city off limits to Palestinians in the West Bank. However, the symbolic, media-friendly act — and its debatable relevance to the average Palestinian — begs some important questions.
http://electronicintifada.net/content/are-freedom-rides-detour-struggle/10616?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+electronicIntifadaPalestine+%28Electronic+Intifada+%3A+Palestine+News%29#.Ts1HKVYRSBM

Josh Ruebner, “Support Today’s Freedom Riders by Ending U.S. Support for Israeli Apartheid”
Fired by the same drive for dignity and pride, six Palestinian nonviolent activists boarded last week an Israeli settler bus to draw the world’s attention to the segregated transportation systems and apartheid conditions they endure living under Israel’s brutal 44-year military occupation of the Palestinian West Bank and East Jerusalem. Channeling Frederick Douglass, spokesperson Hurriyeh Ziadah asserted, “Our rights will not voluntarily be handed to us, so we are heading out to demand them.” . . . For the benefit of 650,000 Israeli settlers living in Israel’s illegal settlements in these occupied Palestinian territories, Israel has constructed — in violation of international law — a vast, alternative infrastructure of roads and bus lines from which 2.5 million Palestinians are all but effectively banned. . . . A 2010 report by the Applied Research Institute of Jerusalem found that one-third of roads funded and built by the U.S. Agency for International Development reflect Israel’s priorities for constructing an inferior and segregated transportation system for Palestinians.
http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ruebner231111.html

Scott Kennedy, Presente!
It was with great sadness that the US Campaign family learned this weekend, during our semi-annual Steering Committee meeting, of the loss of our good friend Scott Kennedy.  Having seen Scott just recently at our 10th Annual National Organizers’ Conference, it is such a shock and terrible loss to us all to suddenly realize that we will no longer benefit from his passion, wisdom, and commitment.
http://blog.endtheoccupation.org/2011/11/scott-kennedy-presente.html

American Jews for a Just Peace Announces 2012 Delegation to Israel/PalestineStart the New Year off in Israel/Palestine! US Campaign coalition member group American Jews for a Just Peace has been organizing delegations to Israel/Palestine since 2003. Their next delegation to Israel/Palestine is scheduled for January 1 – 15, 2012. Please see their announcement below.
http://blog.endtheoccupation.org/2011/11/american-jews-for-just-peace-announces.html

The AIC is proud to present Sumoud (Steadfast)- the 1st film on Al Araqib
Sumoud (‘Steadfast’ in Arabic) is the first and only documentary, to date, focusing exclusively on al-Araqib, a Bedouin village that Israeli authorities destroyed 30 times in the span of one year.
http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/topics/11-aic-projects/3923-the-aic-is-proud-to-present-sumoud-steadfast-the-1st-film-on-al-araqib

The AIC is proud to present Sheikh Jarrah- Palestinian struggle for East Jerusalem
The AIC is proud to present the short documentary film Sheikh Jarrah- Palestinian struggle for East Jerusalem. Sheikh Jarrah tells the stories of the Palestinian families who were evicted from their East Jerusalem homes
http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/topics/11-aic-projects/3924-the-aic-is-proud-to-present-sheikh-jarrah-palestinian-struggle-for-east-jerusalem

Israel’s Jewish-Palestinians
Rabbi Meir Hirsch is an Orthodox Jew, a rabbi, and an anti-Zionist. A member of the small group Neturei Karta, which objects to the state of Israel on religious grounds, Rabbi Hirsch calls himself a “Jewish-Palestinian.” Here, he speaks with the Alternative Information Center
http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/topics/israeli-society/3922-israels-jewish-palestinians

Political Developments / Diplomacy

Palestinian membership threatening UNESCO programs (AP)
AP – The Palestinians can raise their flag alongside those of 194 full-fledged nations at UNESCO after signing a document Wednesday finally giving them a voice within the vast U.N. system — bringing pride across the Arab world yet hobbling the agency’s pro-democracy projects around the globe.
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/mideast/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20111123/ap_on_re_eu/eu_unesco_palestinians

Hamas, Fatah delegations in Cairo for Abbas-Mishaal meeting
Head of the Palestinian studies center Ibrahim Al-Dirawi has said that the Hamas and Fatah delegations had arrived in Cairo in preparation for the meeting between Mahmoud Abbas and Khaled Mishaal.
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/En/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s7QhwN%2ftGGQbFbnwdDosobFfJSWUcmUe35DpxxmWhviMlV4Hf38iL7%2fz202Xwkeag2KsvsnHdCK3XbPiXBjC9l2BgWndF%2bV920%2fbZhrlXB0O8%3d

‘Fatah-Hamas gov’t won’t see a dime’
Foreign Minister Lieberman says Israel won’t recognize, negotiate with Palestinian unity government unless it accepts Quartet conditions.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4152433,00.html

Ban calls on PM to hand over Palestinian money
UN chief calls on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to hand over tax payments owed to Palestinian Authority, stop settlement activity.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4151966,00.html

Quartet urges Israel to release Palestinian funds
The international diplomatic Quartet on Wednesday called on theIsraeli government to release “without delay” tax revenues due to the Palestinian Authority which it is withholding. “I continue to call on the Israeli government to release the clearance revenues it is withholding from the Palestinian Authority without delay and resume their transfer on a regular basis,” a statement from Quartet Middle East envoy Tony Blair said.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/23/quartet-urges-israel-to-release-palestinian-funds/

Haneyya: The Israeli occupation lives in isolation
Palestinian premier Ismail Haneyya said that the Israeli occupation started to live in international isolation and the frequent visits made by dignitaries to the besieged Gaza Strip confirmed that.
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/En/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s71RF4mk%2feYOVgRcOtsIH8LPwBpeGfm6Dpc%2bbbYt1bpY02LuQ5BK9wUpijs%2bByAZQ6PNg3a0Eb4cfguJUKe%2fzx3fZHegBjXJRTeZmgZ2urBuI%3d

The Israel you won’t read about in the New York Times

Minister: Another political murder possible
During Knesset debate on ‘price tag’ acts, internal security minister says fear of political assassination applies to ‘entire political spectrum’.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4152234,00.html

Livni: Israel heading towards dictatorship
Opposition chairwoman blasts Coalition over libel bill, legislation meant to ‘constrict democracy.’ MK Mofaz: Bills reminiscent of ’1984′.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4152459,00.html

Anat Kam begins serving prison sentence
Young woman convicted of espionage, stealing classified IDF files begins serving four and a half year sentence at Neve Tirza Women’s Prison.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4151980,00.html

U.S.

The Israeli ex-settler at the center of Occupy Wall Street
Kobi Skolnick, an ex-settler and Chabadnik turned non-Observant Israeli, is in NYC fighting for a better future – one where money doesn’t comfort the rich while burdening the poor.
http://www.haaretz.com/themarker/the-israeli-ex-settler-at-the-center-of-occupy-wall-street-1.391361

Ron Paul: Why does Israel need our help?
During foreign policy debate, republican presidential candidate says would not back Israeli strike on Iran. Romney: My first foreign trip as president will be to Israel to show we care about them.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4151970,00.html

CNN hands over Republican foreign policy debate to neocon cabal, Max Blumenthal
When Republican primary candidates debate foreign policy issues tonight, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer (a former researcher for AIPAC) will mouth questions provided to him by the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). While the Heritage Foundation is well known as the outsourced brain of Republicans in Congress and serves as a hothouse for right-wing GOP domestic policies, AEI’s participation in the debate is even more problematic.
http://english.al-akhbar.com/blogs/gadfly/cnn-hands-over-republican-foreign-policy-debate-neocon-cabal?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AlAkhbarEnglish+%28Al+Akhbar+English%29

Symbolic trial convicts Bush, Blair for Iraq war (AP)
AP – A tribunal formed by Malaysia’s former leader has convicted former President George W. Bush and Britain’s ex-prime minister Tony Blair at a symbolic trial for “crimes against peace” in Iraq.
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/iraq/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20111122/ap_on_re_as/as_malaysia_war_crimes

Egypt

We are in the midst of a decisive battle in the face of a potentially terminal crackdown. Over the past 72 hours the army has launched a ceaseless assault on revolutionaries in Tahrir Square and squares across Egypt. Over 2000 of us have been injured. More than 30 of us have been murdered. Just in Cairo alone. In the last 48 hours.
 

Protests intensify in Alexandria 
Egypt is just five days from what was meant to be a milestone — the first parliamentary elections since the fall of President Hosni Mubarak. But a growing standoff is threatening to derail the entire process, as protesters continue to take to the streets demanding the military government step down. In Alexandria, the demonstrations are becoming increasingly violent. Al Jazeera’s Rawya Rageh reports from Alexandria

 

Violence ends brief truce at Egypt protest

Riot police break ceasefire near Cairo’s Tahrir Square as crowd swells in demand for end to military rule. 
 
Violence flares near Tahrir after tentative ceasfire
There has been little respite in the streets around Tahrir Square since violence began on Saturday. Central Security Force riot police continue to fight running battles with groups of young men on the front lines, firing tear gas and cartridge rounds against the protesters’ rocks and petrol bombs. A brief cease fire brokered by religious scholars from al-Azhar University brought a short lull to the fighting on Wednesday afternoon, and army soldiers moved in to separate the two sides, backed by armoured personnel carriers. But the ceasefire was shattered when riot police fired a barrage of tear gas over the soldiers’ heads, throwing Mohamed Mahmoud Street – the focal point of the fighting – into chaos. Al Jazeera’s Sherine Tadros reports from Cairo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLgeUrRbi0E&feature=youtube_gdata

Egyptian protesters continue to fill Cairo’s central Tahrir Square over the ruling military council’s refusal to immediately transfer power to a civilian government. In a televised address on Tuesday, the head of Egypt’s military council, Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, said he has accepted the prime minister’s resignation and that the military is ready to relinquish power if Egyptians call for that in a referendum. But protests only intensified after Tantawi’s speech and security forces unleashed a barrage of tear gas. Over the past five days at least 38 people have been killed, thousands injured, and at least 15 journalists attacked as Egypt has witnessed the largest protests since the fall of Hosni Mubarak. Kouddous has been on the ground reporting from in Egypt since the revolution began in January. “[Tantawi] essentially offered some minor concessions that were not demanded by any of the protesters in Tahrir,” says Democracy Now! correspondent Sharif Abdel Kouddous reporting from Cairo. “Many compared the speech to Mubarak’s second speech on February 1st where he made some kinds of concessions and used this kind of the tone in the hope of ending the revolution. But the response then and the response now were very similar. … But the response then and the response now were very similar. Tahrir yesterday was packed with people, really a massive, massive protest. And after the speech ended, you heard this huge reverberation from the crowd, this huge echo of Irhal, which means ‘‘leave.’”
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/11/23/egypt_protesters_defy_mounting_crackdown_as

  

 

UN condemns Egypt protest deaths
UN human rights chief Navi Pillay condemns “excessive use of force” by Egypt’s security forces as clashes erupt again between protesters and police.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/world-africa-15854418

Egypt: Protesters’ Blood on the Military Leadership’s Hands
Egypt’s military rulers should immediately order riot police to stop using excessive force against protesters and to reduce their presence in the areas surrounding Tahrir Square to a level that allows for the maintenance of security while permitting free assembly. Riot police and military officers have shot live ammunition and rubber bullets into the crowd, beaten protesters and otherwise used excessive force in the demonstrations that began in Cairo on November 19, 2011, according to numerous accounts from witnesses.
http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/11/22/egypt-protesters-blood-military-leadership-s-hands

 
Egyptian activist: U.S.-supplied teargas ‘clinging to my lungs’
An Egyptian activist says that the U.S. is still providing the teargas the Egyptian military has been using to crackdown on protesters this week. Khalid Abdalla, who has also starred in movies such as The Kite Runner, United 93 and Green Zone, told CBS News Wednesday that he had recently seen U.S.-made teargas canisters in Cairo’s Tahrir Square. “In terms outside — if you are talking about financial aid and things like that, all of that is going to the military,” Abdalla explained. “The U.S. government, the British government — of which, I am a citizen of Britain — you know, European governments, all over the world Western governments are supporting this military.”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/23/egyptian-activist-u-s-supplied-teargas-clinging-to-my-lungs/

Egyptian Revolution Enters New Phase As Thousands Brave Violence to Protest Military Rule
Activists in Egypt are holding their fourth day of massive demonstrations to demand an end to military rule and a transition to a civilian government. The protests continue amidst a massive crackdown and an offer to resign from Egypt’s interim cabinet. Reports from Cairo’s main morgue said at least 33 people have been killed and more than 1,500 wounded in the military government’s crackdown. The turmoil comes as Egypt is scheduled to begin holding parliamentary elections on Monday. “I can’t see how a legitimate election can take place when you have such state-sponsored brutality happening in the heart of the capital city of the country,” says Democracy Now! correspondent Sharif Abdel Kouddous, who joins us for an update from Cairo. “What many Egyptians have been seeing over these past 10 months has been that the revolution has been abused and stolen and deformed, and that the military council in Egypt has really not lived up to any of its promises in this transitional period, from human rights abuses to just their complete grip on power.”
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/11/22/egyptian_revolution_enters_new_phase_as

 
Tahrir medic describes ordeal in field hospitals 
Hisham Kamal, a volunteer doctor in a field hospital in Cairo’s Tahrir Square, has been working since Saturday, when riot police first cracked down on a small crowd that had camped overnight. Protesters did not want to seek treatment in public hospitals, fearing that police or army troops would arrest them, Kamal told Al Jazeera.
Egyptian protesters pull together to treat wounded
Al Jazeera’s Sherine Tadros reports from Tahrir Square, where activists have set up mobile clinics to treat those injured from teargas, bullet injuries or beatings by security forces.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDaNBjvTlAM&feature=youtube_gdata
 
The sixth day of protests was no different than the days before it. Egyptians refusing the offer put forward by interim Egyptian ruler Mohamed Hussein Tantawi continued their march to end the military reign over Egypt. Located adjacent to Tahrir Square, Mohammed Mahmoud street also leads to the interior ministry building. This infamous street was transformed into a battlefield in recent days.
 
Egypt’s Journalist Back in the Line of Fire

Cairo – It feels like January 25 all over again. Tear gas everywhere. Journalists carrying friends wounded by rubber bullets over their shoulders. Police using force to crush revolutionaries and terrify journalists into restoring the prestige of authoritarianism. Freedom of the press and the safety of journalists is in the range of the interior ministry and the military’s snipers. In a statement Monday, the journalists’ syndicate demanded the immediate resignation of Essam Sharaf’s government, as well as the military council’s acceptance of the resignation.
 

The Lede Blog: 3 Americans Arrested in Cairo
Three students at the American University in Cairo were arrested and accused of participating in violent protests in the Egyptian capital, the university said on Tuesday.
http://feeds.nytimes.com/click.phdo?i=b371cc74b6cd7708b8b1935f12acb928

EGYPT: Rule of law under siege
CAIRO 22 November 2011 (IRIN) – Demonstrations in Cairo’s Tahrir square against Egypt's interim military rulers have reportedly left at least 33 people dead and more than 1,500 injured since they began on 19 November.
http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?ReportId=94284

Reports: Egypt to form emergency government
Military said to agree to “national salvation government” to make way for transfer of power to civilian government.
http://english.aljazeera.net//news/middleeast/2011/11/20111122145540795435.html

Egypt protesters reject military concessions
Thousands remain in Cairo’s Tahrir Square despite chairman of ruling military council pledging faster transfer of power.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/11/201111222246740429.html

Inside Story – Egyptian military’s quandary
Loosing popular support, or giving into revloution demands and loosing their empire? With guests: Mona Makram-Ebeid, Ahmed Salah, and Talaat Mosallam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv0kBFVyp-0&feature=youtube_gdata

Parties Mull Two Week Postponement of Parliamentary Elections
Egypt’s major political parties may be about to ask SCAF to put off the Parliamentary elections due to start Monday, by two weeks. A number of major political parties are discussing calling on the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) to postpone the first round of the Egyptian parliamentary elections for two weeks, sources close to the consultation told Ahram Online. Al-Wafd Party had floated a similar suggestion in a public statement yesterday.
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/3253/parties-mull-two-week-postponement-of-parliamentar

 
Zionist People Want Mubarak: Zionist People Want Mubarak
“This is the state of relations now. There is no real diplomacy, just shuttling back and forth and talks at a bare minimum,” said an official from Israel’s foreign ministry, who spoke anonymously because he was not authorized to speak on the issue. “At least we still have relations.”  Perhaps not for long. Officials said they are quietly preparing for what they called a “complete break” in diplomatic ties with Egypt. That would mark a dangerous downturn in Israel’s relations with its neighbors unequalled in the past three decades. “Our peace treaty with Egypt was the backbone of our diplomatic relations with the Arab world,” said former ambassador Eli Shaked. Even as events were unfolding Tuesday in Egypt, where the military government offered to step down in July, a concession thought unlikely to satisfy the tens of thousands of demonstrators who crowded into Tahrir Square, Israeli officials were considering it likely that whatever eventually happens there will bode ill for Israel.” 
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/11/zionist-people-want-mubarak-zionist.html
 
CAIRO: The Journalists’ Syndicate threatened to suspend publishing newspapers in response to increasing attacks on journalists covering the ongoing clashes between police and protesters. ”If these brutal and deliberate attacks increase, we will agree with editors-in-chief of newspapers to suspend [publishing]” and make a collective statement, Gamal Fahmy, member of the syndicate’s board, told DNE. Yehia Qallash, member of the syndicate’s General Assembly, said this measure was used more than once during Mubarak’s reign. ”It is the strongest way to deliver a message but it is a weapon that should be used as a last resort,” he added. Fahmy said the syndicate will use all peaceful means to defend the rights of journalists and hold accountable all those responsible for attacking them while on duty.

http://www.thedailynewsegypt.com/media/journalists-syndicate-threatens-to-suspend-publishing-to-protest-violence.html

Egypt’s military government is the enemy of our revolution, Ahdaf Soueif
The war in Tahrir Square is all about one thing – the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces has no intention of giving up power. As I write, the cabinet of Egypt’s prime minister, Essam Sharaf, brought in amid much hope, but emasculated by the military and so now discredited – has resigned – and we are getting conflicting reports about whether the Supreme Council for the Armed Forces (Scaf), the de facto president of Egypt, has accepted their resignation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/22/egypt-military-government-enemy-revolution
 

Tantawi: Muzzling the Revived Spirit of Tahrir
In a televised speech eerily reminiscent in form and content to those made by Mubarak before his ouster, head of Egypt’s ruling military council Muhammad Tantawi did little to address the fears and demands of hundreds of thousands of Egyptian who took to the streets over the last few days in what many saw as a revival of the spirit of the January 25 revolution.
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/tantawi-muzzling-revived-spirit-tahrir?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AlAkhbarEnglish+%28Al+Akhbar+English%29

Egypt: Down with Military Rule
After five days of mass protests against Egypt’s military rulers, at least 50 have died under a hail of tear gas, rubber bullets and alleged live fire; the cabinet has resigned; and late Tuesday, Field Marshal Tantawi offered a referendum to immediately transfer power to a civilian authority. But perhaps the most vivid images witnessed in Tahrir Square over the past days have been the determination of protesters in the face of brutality.
http://english.al-akhbar.com/photoblogs/egypt-down-military-rule?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AlAkhbarEnglish+%28Al+Akhbar+English%29

Egypt’s Democracy Challenges: Military Today, Economy Tomorrow, Hasan Afif El-Hasan
The Egyptian people aspire to fulfill their needs for individual emancipation, self assertion, the legitimate pursuit of their interests and the establishment of state institutions that enhance these interests. They expect democratic institutions to multiply opportunities and challenge the inherited discrimination that is based on race, religion and political orientation.
http://palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=17268

What’s next for Egypt?
A roundup of Egypt analysis after the mass protests – and harsh crackdown – around Tahrir Square over the past few days. Some democracy supporters advocate delaying next week’s elections.
http://rss.csmonitor.com/%7Er/feeds/world/%7E3/d4XjF_kBZq8/What-s-next-for-Egypt

 
Get Democracy Or Die Tryin’: The Return to Tahrir
Perhaps the truce on Wednesday afternoon was a last-ditch attempt to quell the violence in Tahrir, thought some hopefuls, while most remained skeptical of the sudden ceasefire between policemen and protesters on the fourth day of violence that the side-streets off Tahrir square have experienced. The latter had suspected a trap, or at best a temporary lull after which the violence would resume afresh.
Bahrain

Bahrain protests flare after two deaths
Protests erupted in Bahrain on Wednesday after a man was struck and killed by a police car, the second to have died in similar circumstances in a number of days, according to activists.The man, Abdelnabi Kadhim Aaqil, died instantly when a security forces vehicle smashed into his vehicle in the town of Aali, outside the capital Manama, locals said. The death sparked protests in Aali, with the police firing tear gas and beating protesters.Witnesses said riot police in 4×4 vehicles sped through the streets of Aali in pursuit of dozens of teenagers, before seizing one and beating him with batons as helicopters circled overhead. On Saturday, a 16-year-old, Ali Youssef Baddah, was run over at a protest by a police car, according to residents and human rights groups. The Bahrain state news agency claimed that the police car lost control after it slipped on oil in the road. 
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/bahrain-protests-flare-ahead-rights-report?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AlAkhbarEnglish+%28Al+Akhbar+English%29

AJE exclusive footage of Bahraini security forces
In this footage exclusive to Al Jazeera English, security forces are seen firing tear gas at a group of women and protesters. Later the women are carried out of a home, some of them clearly injured.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WgJMWNCdrU&feature=youtube_gdata

Bahrain report released, Opposition skeptical
An investigation into Bahrain’s crackdown on protesters in March revealed on Wednesday that security forces had used excessive force and torture, with King Hamad Al-Khalifa urging reform. The Bassiouni Commission, headed by Egyptian American Mahmoud Cherif Bassiouni, also urged authorities to re-examine the sentences given to individuals imprisoned for the upheaval. The panel was formed and funded by Bahrain’s government five months ago to investigate alleged crimes committed against civilians during the pro-democracy protests that swept the country back in February and March.
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/bahrain-report-released-opposition-skeptical?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AlAkhbarEnglish+%28Al+Akhbar+English%29

Report Details Excessive Force Used Against Bahrain Protests
Security forces used torture and forced confessions against detainees during Bahrain’s sweeping crackdown on anti-government protests over the summer, according to a new report.
http://feeds.nytimes.com/click.phdo?i=eb0c1205fa421aae912493bbe90953fb

Al Jazeera speaks to President of Bahrain Centre for Human Rights about BICI report 
In comments to Al Jazeera, Rajab said violence is continuing in Bahrain and that the Bahrain Independent Commission of Inquiry (BICI) report is unlikely to cause a drastic shift in the Gulf kingdom’s handling of on-going protests. Rajab also went on to say that the abuse against protesters being investigated was likely dictated from top ministries and not just a few policemen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWScQDcNYkA&feature=youtube_gdata

Al Jazeera speaks to Al Wefaq’s Matar Matar
Al Jazeera’s Tony Harris speaks to Matar Matar, former opposition MP with the Al Wefaq party. Speaking from the Bahraini capital, Matar says the specifics of the report and whether the opposition agrees with it or not, are not important. Instead, Matar says what is important is how the findings of the report are used to bring about change in the Gulf kingdom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI9TAHFzjHs&feature=youtube_gdata

What is the BICI? 
In June, following months of protests, Bahrain’s King, Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa, appointed a commission to find out whether his security forces committed crimes or violated human rights. Reporting from Manama, Al Jazeera’s Mohammed Vall looks at the six internationally renowned foreign legal experts who comprise the Bahrain Independent Commission of Inquiry (BICI).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=555tcQ7Ujds&feature=youtube_gdata

Whitewashing Bahraini royal crimes

 

Bahrain’s Independent Commission of Inquiry (BICI) will publish Wednesday the findings of its three month investigation into violations of human rights. In utter insensitivity to the victims, the panel of government-appointed international law experts will hand over their report to the King of Bahrain at a “launch party” at his palace.  Apparently the head of the king’s Royal Court, one of the notorious hardliners in the ruling family who had a hand in the state’s repression, sees this occasion as some kind of celebration. Much fanfare is expected, and invitations have been sent directly to the doorsteps of journalists and international NGOs, after locking them out of the country, if not throwing them out over the past eight months.  Meanwhile, local NGOs like the Bahrain Centre for Human Rights, that has been the strongest advocate of victims, has been kept off the  invitation list.  Critics’ skepticism towards the commission largely stems from the way it was established, through a unilateral decision by the King, reinforcing the key problem of authoritarianism in the country. No consultations of any sort over the decision to establish the commission, its functions, its mandate, the terms of reference or selection of commissioners took place; not with the victims nor with civil society organizations.“ 
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/11/whitewashing-bahraini-royal-crimes.html

What Bassioni did not say about Bahrain
Angry Arab chief Bahrain correspondent sent me this:  ”Since you will be soon hearing what Bassiouni did say in his speech I will tell you what he didn’t say:
- he did not call for an immediate prisoner release and the dropping of all charges
- he did not hold any higher level officials (let alone King, Prime Minister, Khalid Bin Ahmed and Khalifa Bin Ahmed) responsible for any of the violations
- no mention of a systemic state policy to crush the demonstrations
- no mention of the most issue the military occupying the hospital
The King gave a speech after. Speech was pre-written. Again I will tell you what he did not say:
- immediate release of prisoners and the dropping of all charges”.
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/11/what-bassioni-did-not-say-about-bahrain.html

Anthony Shadid on Bahrain: a critique

 

My chief Bahraini correspondent sent me her reaction to Shadid’s article (I generally agree with her critique–I was most upset by the placement of a picture of a Shi`ite religious ritual which takes place once a year in the article.  Why was that chosen to represent an article on a political protest?  And the portrayal of the crown prince is rather pathetic.  You would have thought he was a political prisoner who suffered at the hand of royal torturers.  And the coverage of Bassioni is rather too fawning: Bassioni’s appointment is evidence of a US decision to whitewash the crimes. Bassionis has consistently served as an arm of US foreign policy.  Go search and see if Bassioni has been vocal about Israeli crimes for example).  Here are the comments of Angry Arab’s chief Bahrain correspondent: “I was dissapointed by this article by Anthony Shadid. He seems to respect Bassiouni and keeps repeating that he is an international expert on human rights. Why is he forgetting that the Commission was appointed by the King and is operating under the premise that the King and the high level members of the ruling family are innocent? Why is it when it comes to Bahrain, the “truth remains elusive”? Why is Bahrain more “challenging” than “Libya, Yogoslavia, Afghanistan, and Iraq”? Why with Bahrain must we ask “is it possible to reveal, let alone agree on the truth”? Is it because Bahrain is a western supported monarchy that is part of the GCC?  But the best part of the article is tha arrogance displayed by Bassiouni, who Shadid fails to criticize (also let’s not forget that the commission continues to supposedly maintain a policy of not speaking to the media when it keeps speaking to the media left and right.” Bassiouni’s arrogance is best displayed here: “It is not that they went and destroyed St Peter,” said Mr Bassiouni, who had an academic’s zest for intellectual give and take that is not always suited to the reserve of diplomacy. But he added, “If these places meant something to them, and thet felt that they were their religious places, the government should of respected that.” Oh spare us your sympathy Bassiouni. Apparently shia mosques are not at the same level as St. Peter’s. No “they didn’t feel they were their religious places.” They are their religious places. And no the government shouldn’t have just “respected that.” They should stop their systemic discrimination against shia beliefs. [continues]
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/11/anthony-shadid-on-bahrain-critique.html

Other Mideast

Saudi Arabia: Lengthy sentences for reformists a worrying development
Lengthy prison sentences given to 16 men, among them prominent advocates of reform who had tried to set up a human rights association in Saudi Arabia, are a worrying development, Amnesty International said today. According to reports, prison sentences handed out by the Specialized Criminal Court in Riyadh on Tuesday ranged from five to 30 years.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/saudi-arabia-lengthy-sentences-reformists-worrying-development-2011-11-23

Trial in Saudi Arabia: not a word in the New York Times
“A court in Saudi Arabia sentenced 17 men to prison sentences of up to 30 years on Tuesday for sedition and other offences, a lawyer for some of the defendants said.  ”Myself, their families and judges whom we know on the bench are all shocked,” defence lawyer Bassim Alim told Reuters.  He added that the judge had promised a written verdict in two to three weeks, at which time a 30-day window for lodging appeals would be open to the accused – who have been described by Amnesty International as proponents of peaceful reform.  Justice Ministry spokesmen were not available for comment.  Most of the group of activists, academics and lawyers were detained in 2007 after they met in the Red Sea port city of Jeddah to discuss potential political change in Saudi Arabia, an absolute monarchy governed by a strict form of Islamic law.  Amnesty International described the men in its 2011 annual report as “advocates of peaceful political reform”.  They were charged, among other crimes, with attempting to seize power, incitement against the king, financing terrorism, electronic crimes, money laundering and trying to set up a political party, Alim said before the sentencing.”  But I recommend that you read the Arabic text.  They list a whole range of accusations and offenses and just in case this does not stick in Western capitals–it will of course–they throw in links with Al-Qa`idah. 
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/11/trial-in-saudi-arabia-not-word-in-new.html

Yemen leader in Saudi Arabia for power-transfer deal
Ali Abdullah Saleh, the president of Yemen, has arrived in Saudi Arabia to sign a power-transfer deal brokered by the six-member Gulf Co-operation Council (GCC), the country’s state television has reported. The plan put forward last spring by the GCC countries offers Saleh and his relatives immunity from prosecution if he hands over power to his deputy, Abdrabuh Mansur Hadi, the vice president. Signing the deal would effectively bring an end to Saleh’s 33-year rule. Al Jazeera reports.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiO7t–c0lU&feature=youtube_gdata

 
Tunisian forces tear gas protesters
Tear gas fired and live ammunition shot into the air to disperse protesters in the town of Kasserine.

 

Tunisia constituent body holds first session
Democratically elected assembly entrusted with recasting country’s political system, meets in palace outside Tunis.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/11/2011112217751533504.html

Netanyahu calls for stronger sanctions on Iran than those imposed by U.S.
PM says Tehran’s nuclear ambitions must be curbed after IAEA report indicated that Iran had worked on designing a nuclear bomb.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-calls-for-stronger-sanctions-on-iran-than-those-imposed-by-u-s-1.397332?localLinksEnabled=false

Arabs and Iranian nuclear weapons
“The survey found little Iranian appeal as a political model, but it did reveal a decline in Arab enthusiasm for containing Iran as 64% now say that Iran has a right to its nuclear program, up from 53% last year.”
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/11/arabs-and-iranian-nuclear-weapons.html

Turkish PM apologizes over 1930s killings of Kurds
Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s apology for mass killing evidently aims to embarrass Opposition.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4152382,00.html

Analysis / Op-ed

Israel and ‘Pinkwashing’, SARAH SCHULMAN
“IN dreams begin responsibilities,” wrote Yeats in 1914. These words resonate with lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people who have witnessed dramatic shifts in our relationship to power. After generations of sacrifice and organization, gay people in parts of the world have won protection from discrimination and relationship recognition. But these changes have given rise to a nefarious phenomenon: the co-opting of white gay people by anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim political forces in Western Europe and Israel. In the Netherlands, some Dutch gay people have been drawn to the messages of Geert Wilders, who inherited many followers of the assassinated anti-immigration gay leader Pim Fortuyn, and whose Party for Freedom is now the country’s third largest political party. In Norway, Anders Behring Breivik, the extremist who massacred 77 people in July, cited Bruce Bawer, a gay American writer critical of Muslim immigration, as an influence. The Guardian reported last year that the racist English Defense League had 115 members in its gay wing. The German Lesbian and Gay Federation has issued statements citing Muslim immigrants as enemies of gay people. These depictions of immigrants — usually Muslims of Arab, South Asian, Turkish or African origin — as “homophobic fanatics” opportunistically ignore the existence of Muslim gays and their allies within their communities. They also render invisible the role that fundamentalist Christians, the Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Jews play in perpetuating fear and even hatred of gays. And that cynical message has now spread from its roots in European xenophobia to become a potent tool in the long-running Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/opinion/pinkwashing-and-israels-use-of-gays-as-a-messaging-tool.html

Video: My talk in Brussels on self-determination and a ‘one-state solution’ in Palestine, Ali Abunimah
Last Saturday I spoke at conference titled “The One-State Solution versus The Two-State Solution,” organized by Palestina Solidaritiet, in Brussels.It was great to hear the other speakers, Lucas Catherine, Brigitte Herremans, Henri Wajnblum, who came from a range of political and solidarity backgrounds in Belgium. My session pitted me in a “debate” with Leila Shahid, the official representative of the PLO in Belgium. It became quite heated. The organizers may be planning to post video of the whole conference, however this YouTube shows only my 20 minute opening comments (in English).
http://electronicintifada.net/blog/ali-abunimah/video-my-talk-brussels-self-determination-and-one-state-solution-palestine#.Ts1EMFYRSBM

Likud and the Rise of the Permanent Far-Right Majority, Richard Silverstein
What we’re seeing in Israeli politics and have seen since 2000, when the last Labor government ruled Israel, is the rise of a permanent far-right majority. Not a majority within the populace, but a ruling majority cobbled together from various right and farther right strands of Israeli nationalist discourse.
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/11/22/likud-and-the-rise-of-the-permanent-far-right-majority/

Wala’: The untrodden beauty of Palestine, Sameeha Elwan
Reading the title, her smile must have already found its way to her face, tears welling in her eyes with a Palestinian proud refusal to surrender to a burst of overwhelming emotions. Yet you could still ostensibly see the tears struggling around the green apple of her eyes just like every time she remembers that next year we might never meet again. Just like the first time it dawned upon her, upon me, this absolutely ridiculous fact that next year is going to bring us back to our 23-year separation.
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/wala%e2%80%99-the-untrodden-beauty-of-palestine.html

Ribal Al-Assad: Tool of the West, Tammy Obeidallah
Most House Arabs are motivated by a desire for personal wealth, fame, acceptance from the West or perhaps all three. They are despicable sell-outs who undermine the struggles against Zionist occupation and broader Western imperialism. However, there are House Arabs with even more sinister intentions than simple self-indulgence. Enter Ribal Al-Assad, nephew of Bashar Al-Assad and son of Rifaat—notorious for his role in the regime in the early 1980’s—currently living in Mayfair, England and enjoying the support of the Saudi royal family. Ribal’s pet causes are promoting interfaith dialogue, a two-state solution for Palestine and vilifying Iran. In a May 2010 speech to London’s Rotary Club, he accused Iran of aiming to “create instability in the region by fueling conflict in Iraq, Lebanon, Gaza, Egypt and Afghanistan.”

www.TheHeadlines.Org

45 Responses

  1. dumvitaestspesest
    November 24, 2011, 1:47 pm

    “Egyptian military using ‘more dangerous’ teargas on Tahrir Square protesters.
    Doctors report seizures and convulsions as witnesses claim different crowd control teargas being used.
    Egyptian security forces are believed to be using a powerful incapacitating gas against civilian protesters in Tahrir Square following multiple cases of unconsciousness and epileptic-like convulsions among those exposed.”
    More in here.
    link to youtube.com
    “Reports coming out of Egypt from journalists on the ground suggest that this IS NOT “normal” tear gas. Protesters, who have been exposed to tear gas many times have said this is much stronger.
    Canisters that have been picked up show they’re unmarked, in contrast with normal tear gas canisters.”

    It looks like they developed a new , more effective way of dealing with “unruly” crowds.
    Who is a supplier of this new, improved weapon ?? Who pays for it?

    • Taxi
      November 25, 2011, 3:16 am

      Dum vita est spes est = As long as there is life, there’s hope.

      That’s nice and optimistic dumvita.

      I’m personally partial to:
      Mors esset spes benignitatis = death would be welcome but for hope.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 8:33 am

        I also remember other, well known proverb, ” Memento mori” , which is slightly less optimisitc, but nevertheless, oh, so very true.
        Basically from ALL the things is life , most of them very uncertain, this is one is the most certain one. WE don’t know how and when ,but we do know that IT WILL happen. Eventually.
        The problem, ( my problem), what’s after that ?

      • Taxi
        November 25, 2011, 9:14 am

        Memento mori = remember (your) mortality.

        “…what’s after that?”

        Who cares?!

        Here and now is all that can matter – all we got to work with.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 9:23 am

        I care:) .
        From what I’ve been taught they are 3 major places.
        Only one is a nice one. The second one is bad ,but luckily it is temporary
        the third one, ( where probably Hilter and Stalin, and many other tyrants “reside”) is extremely bad and it is eternal.
        The catch is : we do not have a “decision power”.
        Although, in a way we do. Right now, with our life choices.

      • Taxi
        November 25, 2011, 9:43 am

        I don’t believe in the “3 major places”.

        I don’t need to believe in them to feel good and do good.

        I’m not a follower of religion. But I am a seeker of truth.

      • dahoit
        November 25, 2011, 12:08 pm

        What rational explanation can you give for this universe of rocks in a vacuum circling nuclear gas filled giants of luminosity and heat,not knowing where we originated and our final destination unknown(other than a hole in the ground)and no solution(as of yet,but seemingly an unending world of inner and outer space ) to the mystery other than religions faith in a creator?
        Everything is nothing ?I used to think carbon atom,but the Yuppie geniuses took Pluto away.
        Poor attempt I know for an explanation,but hey,I’m in the same darkness.

      • Woody Tanaka
        November 25, 2011, 12:24 pm

        “What rational explanation can you give for this universe of rocks in a vacuum circling nuclear gas filled giants of luminosity and heat,not knowing where we originated and our final destination unknown(other than a hole in the ground)and no solution(as of yet,but seemingly an unending world of inner and outer space ) to the mystery other than religions faith in a creator?”

        The answer “it just is” is a more rational explanation than “religious faith in a creator.”

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 12:24 pm

        Many years ago, I saw a person, who was possesed by Evil spirits.
        Like in the movie. Trust me , not a pretty, rather very scary picture.
        There is, no doubt , an evil spirt that can overcome a person.
        Too many proofs of it to cite.
        If there is an Evil, then it has to be a the opposite of it.
        It just has to. We live in the constant balance between one and the other.
        It is very easy to fall on the “evil” side. Much hard, yet possible, to stay on so called good one.
        I would say that the whole history of human civilisation is a fight between Good and Evil.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 12:32 pm

        Any ,even the simplest cell in your body is as complicated in the way it is built and operates, as a small factory.
        Take any “anatomy and physiology” book, and start reading it.
        Especially the part about our immune system. It is sooo complicated that after a few pages, you’ll be very confused. And we aren’t even talking about “digesting” it on the organic chemistry level.
        Here ..just a tiny glimpse…
        link to users.rcn.com
        link to nobelprize.org

      • Woody Tanaka
        November 25, 2011, 1:21 pm

        “Many years ago, I saw a person, who was possesed by Evil spirits.
        Like in the movie. Trust me , not a pretty, rather very scary picture.”

        The problem, though, is the statement “Trust me” Why? Why not form hypotheses and test them? In fact, I am more likely to trust someone who says “Many years ago, I saw a person, who was suffering from a mental illness…. not a pretty, rather very scary picture.” (And even then I would ask what they base the conclusion of mental illness on.)

        “There is, no doubt , an evil spirt that can overcome a person.”

        You can’t just make a statement like this, precede it with “no doubt” and pretend that you are being reasonable. Prove the existence of this “spirit.” Show it exists. Explain what it does and how it does it. Then maybe I will accept its existence.

        “Too many proofs of it to cite.”

        Then just cite a couple of peer-reviewed scientific papers that agree with the conclusion: “Evil spirits exist and they can possess people.”

        “If there is an Evil, then it has to be a the opposite of it.
        It just has to.”

        Why “just has to”? The percentage of the universe which is conducive to life as we know it is so small that it is impossible to grasp without mathematics and impossible to picture intuitively. Nothing says that what we want and what we don’t want have to balance each other.

      • Woody Tanaka
        November 25, 2011, 1:25 pm

        “Any ,even the simplest cell in your body is as complicated in the way it is built and operates, as a small factory.”

        Okay. Great. But show all the logical steps where you go from “cellular biology is very complex” to “therefore, YHWH.” (Or Jesus. Or Allah. Or Zeus, Vishnu or whatever.) Show your work. Each step.

        Because “I cannot fathom how…” or “We don’t know what…” is not a valid premise to support the conclusion: “Therefore: an all powerful creater exists.”

      • Taxi
        November 25, 2011, 1:39 pm

        We’re not smart enough to know the answers to the whereofs and whys of existence. Let’s just face our dumbness for starters.

        All we know is: here we are – temporarily.

        Everything else is projection, assumption, or escapism.

        I mean what kinda god would make us with skin thin as paper, fling us into a merciless and savage jungle: naked, foodless and weaponless?

        Look around: there is no moral justice in the universe. But there is indeed an adhesive and symbiotic physical order. An order we’ve yet to fully understand and utilize.

        And who created creation? A creator? Okay, but who created the creator? And so on and so forth in a bizarre hall of mirrors.

        And if ‘god’ is consistently ONE, INFINITE AND ETERNAL, then how am I, a finite and temporary creature, supposed to understand the ‘eternity’ and purpose of a god?

        Religion loses me completely when it ascribes human traits to the ‘nameless almighty’. The bearded man in the sky is as science fiction to me as advanced extra-terrestrial life forms.

        All the more reason why I personally think it’s insanely absurd that we fight wars over religion. I relate better to wars fought over land or human injustice.

        Dumvita, I’ve seen schizophrenics in action (I do voluntary work at a clinic: reading short stories/poems for patients once a month), and I can tell you if I didn’t know these people were actually clinically sick, I woulda thunk the cinematic devil was alive and well and kicking.

        The complexity of the human mind boggles and is mind-boggling.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 2:05 pm

        Here is a nice poem, written by Anonymus.
        I like it a lot.

        “When a cover will be put over my head,
        And I fall in an eternal sleep on my side
        Let them give me ,briefly, some respite
        and a peace of mind.

        They may come to have a laugh over my coffin,
        And to throw the weights of their “opinions”
        Yes, sensible Thomases, infallible Thomases
        Keyboards of sense without spaces.

        And I, all of a sudden, will understand, and I’ll meet the Truth
        Probably, I will be surprised to see, what I see,
        For You ,Lord of Heaven, Lord seen from the inside,
        will look at me with your kindly glance.

        And You will hug the wanderer, and sit with him at the table,
        where there is a free place for me as well …
        And after our conversation, my life will be summarized,
        And we’ll together finish a good dinner”.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 2:10 pm

        Woody. I do not have to SHOW it or prove it you.
        You want to know, you’ll look for the answers.
        I’m looking.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 2:22 pm

        Taxi,
        Trust me , people who are possessed , most of the time, are not “clinically sick”. Exorcists very often cooperate ( basically they must), with psychiatrists and psychologists to make sure that a possiblity of mental illness is eliminated.
        God ,from what I gather, is not some “bearded , older guy” sitting comfortably on the white cloud ,but a Spirit. A good one.
        We do not have to understand the universe and the purpose of God. I do not even go there.
        We suppose to live according to a very simple, yet not easy to follow, God’s rules. You know, like 10 commandments ,for that matter.
        I still don’t get the purpose of the Evil in the world, and how much power it has over it. We know that it has lots of power, but why……so much.
        We, humans give it so much power, but why it is so easy to seduce us with it??

      • Woody Tanaka
        November 25, 2011, 3:33 pm

        Woody. I do not have to SHOW it or prove it you.

        If you want me to believe it, then you do have to prove it, because otherwise you are merely indulging in wishful thinking, and I have no interest in doing that.

        You want to know, you’ll look for the answers.
        I’m looking.

        I would suggest that you aren’t looking for answers as much as you are looking for confirmation of answers which you’ve already reached. The problem is that you’ve got no method of correcting the errors which led to that answer in the first place.

      • john h
        November 25, 2011, 1:29 pm

        When we discuss such basic issues as life and death, our use of “rational” becomes personal. We are just fooling ourselves if we think there is such a thing as being totally unbiased.

        Logic and reason is not all we are or have to work with. We are complicated beings and also have emotion and intuition. And on top of that we have our own personal history that has shaped who we are and affects what we think and believe. From all this we make our choices, and these can change when we get new knowledge or have new experiences.

        Our head and our heart can often be in conflict. Isn’t that why there are Zionists and anti-Zionists? Which we have chosen has not been based on rationality alone; we have our own priorities and we have an agenda.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 2:56 pm

        You are right.
        We are different, complicated, sophisticated ,(and not) creatures.
        We have different backgrounds , life experiences, different talents, emotions, abilites, potentials. That’s the beauty and the curse of life in a way.
        That’s why we all should/have to RESPECT our basic rights.
        Rights to live, rights to be free, right to be independent, right to own our land or property etc. Along with our “rights” come also our duties.
        Duty to protect, support, defend, nourish all the good values of our life.
        Simple, yet sooo hard to accomplish. Things are always in the way.
        A beauty of simple songs.
        link to youtube.com

      • Taxi
        November 26, 2011, 1:01 am

        There is savagery, and then there’s extreme savagery. In mankind.

        I consider savagery to be a natural inclination, being gradually diluted, with more and more humans feeling less the need to be savage with the passing of time and their creative investment in their family and society.

        And I consider extreme savagery to be the definition of evil. I do not see evil as a “spirit”, I see evil as a deed.

        I don’t believe any religion has given a satisfactory explanation of existence. I surmise therefore that the way to god, if god exists, is most certainly not through religion.

        Our investigation into the god phenomenon continues to be limited by language itself, and also by both our emotional and neurological limitations.

        Maybe one day in eons to come, we will have the ripe conditions to tackle this mystifying question of god with satisfaction. Till then, it’s all intellectual speculation, well-intended wishful thinking, and sometimes even downright evil delusion.

  2. dumvitaestspesest
    November 24, 2011, 3:11 pm

    “The EFSA said there was enough evidence to prove water can regulate the body’s temperature and help it carry out normal ‘physical and cognitive functions.’
    It is expected that the European Commission will allow companies to make both claims on packaging in the future.
    What they cannot do is say that it is prevents dehydration – and they face a possible TWO YEAR JAIL SENTENCE, if they do so.
    This decision results from an attempt by TWO German academics to test EU advertising rules which set down when companies can claim their products reduce the risk of disease.
    The academics asked for a ruling on a convoluted statement which, in short, claimed that water could reduce dehydration.
    Dehydration is defined as a shortage of water in the body – but the European Food Standards Authority decided the statement COULD NOT BE allowed.
    The ruling, announced after a conference OF 21 EU-APPOINTED SCIENTISTS in Parma, and which means that bottled water companies CAN NOT CLAIM their product stops people’s bodies drying out, was given final approval last week BY European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.”

    “In response Tory MEP Roger Helmer, said: ‘THIS IS STUPIDITY writ LARGE.
    The EURO IS BURNING, the EU IS FALLING APART and yet here they are worrying about the obvious qualities of water. If ever there were an episode which demonstrates the folly of the great European project, then this is it.’

    Under British law, advertisers who make health claims that breach EU law CAN BE be prosecuted and face TWO years in jail.
    The decision was being hailed as the daftest Brussels edict since the EU sent down laws on HOW BENDY BANANAS should be.
    UKIP MEP Paul Nuttall said: ‘I had to read this four or five times before I believed it. ”
    link to dailymail.co.uk

    How low they can go, before people finally react??

  3. dumvitaestspesest
    November 24, 2011, 6:18 pm

    Veru GOOD article.
    “WHILE Blood Flows, Arab League Call Their Meeting IN CAIRO TO DISCUSS… Syria??
    November 24, 2011

    If anyone has any doubts as to how out of touch the Arab League is with regards to Arab events, they only have to digest this twisted piece of theater taking place in Cairo.
    Members of the ARAB LEAGUE scheduled an emergency meeting today in Cairo, Egypt to work out what exactly they ‘MUST DO about Syria’ – WHILE OUTSIDE OF THEIR conference (in Egypt, the world’s largest Arab country), a SHAMELESSLY VIOLENT US-backed military junta continues to crack the heads of genuine unarmed protesters in Tahrir Square.
    Meanwhile, NO harsh words from Hillary Clinton, NO democracy speeches from Obama, and certainly NO condemnation from the Arab League – MOST OF WHOM run military-style dictatorships back in their respective countries.
    And certainly, NOT a peep from the UN.
    The Arab League has NOW publicly adopted the official Western propaganda line for this latest contrived stage of a
    SO-CALLED “humanitarian crisis” in Syria, claiming that President Bashar al-Assad has refused to end a ‘brutal crackdown on anti-government protesters’ in his country.
    The irony here is only eclipsed by the HYPOCRICY of the
    pro-American Arab League.
    As Syria struggles to maintain order WITH CIA and MI6-backed armed rebels running WILD inside its own borders, Egypt’s UNELECTED military REGIME have ered 35 and seriously injured over 1,500 of its own unarmed citizens protesting the military’s illegal occupation of the country’s civilian government.
    In addition, Syria’s own neighbor Turkey are hosting a 15,000-strong force of paramilitary insurgents called the “Free Syria Army” over Syria’s Turkish border.
    This confirms the existence of an armed force operating with the covert approval of the Turkish government, and follows evidence that their attacks inside of Syria are placing Syrian security forces into body bags.
    Any US, UK, French or Israeli support of this armed insurrection is a CLEAR VIOLATION OF international law, and as is the case for Libya, this should be viewed as a CRIME against humanity. But do not expect the UN to raise any objections here.
    Somehow, the hypocrisy does not seem to bother Arab Leaguers, as Egyptian blood runs through the streets of Cairo. Instead, the Arab League stick to Washington, London and Tel Aviv’s agenda for Syria of economic sanctions, a No-Fly Zone and of course, regime change.
    While Syria fights against a western-backed civil war in its own country, the UN are
    NO WHERE To be found – a sad international situation which brings back memories of ANOTHER USELESS ” international ‘league’ – The League of Nations, founded as a result of the Paris Peace Conference that ended the First World War.
    During Hitler’s rise to military dominance, the League aptly stood by and did NOTHING as Germnay’s aggressive war machine marched eastward through Czechoslovakia, and later Poland in the early days of WWII.
    The result was the that feeble nature of the League of Nations was exposed on a global stage. Historically, the parallels between the reasons for the League’s collapse AND today’s castration of the United Nations in New York have never been so stark:……………..”
    link to infowars.com

    • Taxi
      November 25, 2011, 2:26 am

      They’re picking on Syria cuz they couldn’t destroy either Hizbollah or attack Iran and so therefore they see Syria as the weak link. How weak? Well how cold is an inferno?

      There’s a red line in Syria that if crossed, will trigger a direct hit on israeli forces in the Golan AND it will be a legitimate hit. Why? Well lets not forget it’s within Syria’s inalienable right to use whatever method necessary to liberate occupied land at a time most convenient for Syria – considering especially that so far negotiations have failed after DECADES of ‘cold’ negotiations.

      If Bashar falls (a big iffy if), then expect world war three to commence.

      Remember Bashar also has the moral, diplomatic and military backing of Russia.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 8:46 am

        I’m bothered by of a few things.
        1. They do act according to their script ,and they do not care a bit what public thinks about it.
        2. The public (some) really believes them ( you know solving the “humanitarian crisis” like they did in Libya).
        3. After they attack Syria ,they will attack Iran, ( or they may do it at almost the same time).
        4. Russia?? Nobody can ever tell what Russia is gonna do.
        I do not trust them at all. Russia’s word does not count for a lot.
        But on the other hand, if Iran and Syria falls , then Russia and China are the next target.
        From what I’ve read, Russia is moving its miliatary forces near its southern borders as we speak.
        5. I wonder about the role of Pakistan (American ally?) and India.
        And of course China.
        It looks like World War III is in making, and hell on earth will start very soon ,thanks to the evil that resides in heart/minds/souls of many of so called our leaders.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 8:56 am

        Two videos about Iran. It is such a beautiful country full of history and traditions. Those bastards, who want to attack it, are really from the darkest pits of hell. They came from hell, they will go back to it, but they want to make hell , for us all, on earth.

        link to youtube.com

      • dahoit
        November 25, 2011, 12:28 pm

        Your not trusting Russia;Is that a relic of historical friction between your ancestry and Russia?And not trusting their word,what recent Russian actions have made you think they are untrustworthy?Compared to our recent past,they are paragons of trust.Stalin is long dead.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 11:48 am

        Taxi, Today there is another proof that Russia can not be trusted.
        Here is an article ( translated by google, sorry).

        “Russia’s ambassador to Israel, Sergei Yakovlev, said today that Israel’s security in Russia is just as important as it is for America. Yakovlev said that the International Conference on Russia’s relations with Israel and the European Union, which took place in Tel Aviv, according to the Zionist media.
        According to the Russian Ambassador, “THE differences between Russia and Israel ARE INSIGNIFICANT in nature and they ALWAYS CAN BE solved.”
        “Our official point of view, – said Sergei Yakovlev – expressed in the fact that WE ARE AGAINST THE Iranian nuclear program, as both Russia and Israel are neighbors of Iran. The Iranian nuclear threat IS COMMON to both countries.”
        Putin’s Foreign Ministry finally sunk in schizophrenic lies. Iran – Shiite state, and its strengthening position will inevitably mean more Shiites in southern Lebanon and Palestine that Israel, of course, does not like.
        But here in Russia, which opposes the Sunni and Shiite fundamentalism is on the Iranian advances threaten at least much less than the Jews.
        And it all sounds on the background of constant allegations that Russia is allegedly “part of the Islamic World”, co-operation with propaganda and the Islamic Conference (domestic consumers) about the eternal friendship of the Kremlin with the Muslims … It is clear that the Putin regime is just going to feed the Russian people, the Sunnis -fundamentalists (svivshim nest in the Caucasus), and the defiantly picking in the secondary, in fact, the problem of fundamentalism, Shiite.”
        link to rusimperia.info

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 11:54 am

        My fear is that Iran maybe attacked by Russia, ( I don’t know about China and Pakistan) as well.

      • Taxi
        November 25, 2011, 12:35 pm

        Russia’s more interested in doing profitable business with the whole of the middle east than with it’s singular ‘friendship’ with israel – especially seeing how low the israelis have dragged the USA superpower. This is their decades long policy, regardless of the opportune rhetoric here and there – usually uttered for domestic consumption and as thorns to prick the Chechnya muslims.

        Also israel does not feel secure in the arms of Russia – and it can’t flaunt a love affair with Russia for fear of upsetting our goy congressmen. It’s a relationship of mutual pleasant distrust between Russia and israel, and Russia and USA.

        The cold war is back but this time colder and more silent. America’s peeved that capitalist Russia is doing better and better business in the middle east these days. And Russia is peeved that USA and israel (usisrael) are attempting to redress the lost deterrence they’re currently suffering from in the middle east – resentful and wary especially of their plan to regain the paramount deterrence through the ruined gates of Damascas.

        Nowhere in the middle east does Russia have an older friend than in the Asad regime. Last week they docked a warship in the Syrian waters:
        link to nation.com.pk

      • dahoit
        November 25, 2011, 12:35 pm

        The Zionists are hard at work to make Russia the bad guy.Russia has a large Jewish population,has an insurrection of Islam within its borders,and is being encircled by US.They are playing at public relations,and actions speak louder than words,and our actions suck.
        When you see Russians killing foreigners with gusto like our historical record,then you can elevate them to the most wanted list,right below France,GB,Israel and US.

      • dahoit
        November 25, 2011, 12:41 pm

        Is the Ambassador Jewish?Like our ambassador?Maybe he went out on a Zionist limb.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 12:44 pm

        The bottom line is: “Russia can not be trusted”.
        They may go either way.
        The scary thing is that all of the current Powers do position themselves to start the war. Is it a matter of months or weeks???

  4. john h
    November 24, 2011, 6:38 pm

    Go, Rabbi Meir Hirsch!

    This from a recent interview with him:

    Interviewer:
    How long has your family been in Palestine?

    Rabbi Hirsch:
    I am the fifth generation in this land. My family came 150 years ago from Russia. Back then, words like Zionism and Aliyah did not exist. People outside of Israel aspired to get to Israel in order to better worship God.

    Interviewer:
    When the Orthodox Jews of Jerusalem saw waves of European secular Zionists coming, how did they feel?

    Rabbi Hirsch:
    The Balfour Declaration of 1918 made the people here, especially the Orthodox families, very upset. There was an objection from the Orthodox community, which was the majority, specifically in Jerusalem but in other parts as well.

    Interviewer:
    Would you compare the State of Israel to the Israelite’s sin of worshipping the Golden Calf?

    Rabbi Hirsch:
    It is much worse than worshipping idols, because when you are worshipping the Golden Calf, you are a Jew who worships wrongly, who worships other Gods. But Zionism comes in order to fundamentally remove the roots of Judaism, it aims to destroy the Jewish people. Jews are not based on a land and a language, they are based on following God’s commandments, whether they live in Russia or England or anywhere.

    Interviewer:
    Do you think that the State of Israel will disappear and become a stain in Jewish history, like Sabbatai Tzevi or any other idol worship of the past?

    Rabbi Hirsch:
    Exactly.

    link to alternativenews.org

    • RoHa
      November 24, 2011, 10:55 pm

      eee will excommunicate him for that.

    • Potsherd2
      November 24, 2011, 11:01 pm

      This will set off 3e! Deploy spit guards!

      • eee
        November 25, 2011, 10:35 am

        If you think Hirsch and his Neturei Karta have not been excommunicated already, you are wrong:
        link to stoptheism.com

        link to fr.jpost.com

        link to rickross.com

        “The group’s British representative has been put under tight security for fear he would be hurt after the Jewish community in the United Kingdom decided to banish him.”

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 10:47 am

        very good sentence.
        “But Zionism comes in order to fundamentally remove the roots of Judaism, it aims to destroy the Jewish people. Jews ARE NOT based on a land and a language, THEY ARE BASED ON FOLLOWING GOD’S COMMANDMENTS, whether they live in Russia or England or anywhere.”
        The same goes for Christianity. It is not about how many prayers, songs, hallelujah and bowing one performs.
        It is about truly follwing God’s commandments. “Thou shall not kill, thou shall not steal”….
        “Love the God ,with all your heart ,and with all your soul ,and with all your mind. Love your neighbor as yourself.”
        All the Law and the Prophets hang on these.

      • john h
        November 25, 2011, 12:38 pm

        Excommunication is not even remotely the issue; it is not about personalities.

        The issue is truth.

        It is the truth about the Jewish people and what they are based on.

        It is the truth as to whether Zionism is a blessing or a curse to the Jewish people.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 25, 2011, 12:48 pm

        The lies can not take The Truth.
        So they excommunicated it ,for the fear that it would prevail.

      • Potsherd2
        November 25, 2011, 1:17 pm

        eee lies out of his own mouth:

        the Eda Haredit, which has traditionally been chaired by the head of the Satmar hassidic sect, the ideological parent of Neturei Karta, has so far refrained from issuing an official cherem (excommunication) against the participants in the Holocaust denial conference and those who support them.

      • Potsherd2
        November 25, 2011, 1:23 pm

        Actually, the Teheran conference notwithstanding, Neturei Karta is still within the mainstream of the Eda Haredit. This was why they felt they had to denounce the participants, because on Zionism in general, they are in agreement.

        Ha’aretz just had an interview with one of the Israeli state chief rabbis, who denounced the religious courts of the Eda Haredit that refuse to affilitate with the state rabbinate, because they refuse to recognize the state of Israel.

        Much more Jewish than eee.

  5. john h
    November 24, 2011, 11:44 pm

    This is from a Times report in my newspaper I cannot get on the net.

    An Egyptian army major whose support for the country’s demonstrations made him a hero, called yesterday on the commander-in-chief to step down.

    Major Ahmed Shouman, who joined demonstrations in Cairo in defiance of a ban on participation by soldiers, said that the military council had worked against the revolution since taking power.

    He returned to Tahrir Square on Tuesday and was swiftly hoisted onto the shoulders of the crowd and hugged by the demonstrators.

    Shouman said a growing number of mid-ranking officers were showing support for the protests. But he said most had taken off their uniforms and put on mufti to avoid harsh punishment by their commanding officers.

    In Tahrir Square, Dr. Shady Najjar, who treated those wounded by gunfire and rubber bullets, said, “I have seen three people killed. We are in a war. This is not a protest”.

    • john h
      November 24, 2011, 11:59 pm

      Oops, I missed this out:

      Shouman, 37, from the outskirts of Cairo, was celebrated early in February when he broke ranks to join the protesters calling for the fall of Mubarak.

  6. American
    November 25, 2011, 10:11 am

    Not good.

    “November 25, 2011

    Egypt’s military rulers picked a prime minister from ousted leader Hosni Mubarak’s era to head the next government, according to state television, a choice that will almost certainly intensify criticism by tens of thousands of protesters accusing the generals of trying to extend the old guard and demanding they step down immediately.

    Kamal el-Ganzouri, 78, served as prime minister between 1996 and 1999 and was deputy prime minister and planning minister before that. He also was a provincial governor under the late President Anwar Sadat.

    The Obama administration, meanwhile, hardened its stance, urging the generals to transfer power to a civilian government immediately.”

    • dumvitaestspesest
      November 25, 2011, 1:04 pm

      78 years old??
      The guy should just sit in warm slippers under a tree, sip a glass of something good , and prepare slowly to “cross the river” to the other side.
      Assuming that he should not be put on trial, and spend a few years behind cold bars for possible crimes.

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