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Why do liberal Zionists have all the fun? I don’t know, but they do! Bernard Avishai has the run of Harper’s and the New York Times, Gershom Gorenberg all over the Times. I couldn’t get arrested on 7th Avenue!

Here’s Gorenberg’s latest, in the Op-Ed section. It’s good. At the end Gorenberg seems to acknowledge quietly that the two state solution of blessed memory may not take place, settlers won’t ever leave the West Bank. And meantime the occupation has eaten Israel; extremists are Judaizing Palestinian areas of Israel. It’s the “other occupation.” Congrats to the Times for highlighting this issue. (Though yes, hasn’t Jewish supremacy always been at the heart of Zionism?) 

For several years, extremist West Bank settlers have conducted a campaign of low-level violence against their Palestinian neighbors — destroying property, vandalizing mosques and occasionally injuring people. Such “price tag” attacks, intended to intimidate Palestinians and make Israeli leaders pay a price for enforcing the law against settlers, have become part of the routine of conflict in occupied territory.

Now that conflict is coming home. The words “price tag” spray-painted in Hebrew on the wall of a burned mosque inside Israel’s pre-1967 borders transformed Israel’s Arab citizens into targets and tore at the all-too-delicate fabric of a shared democracy.

Indeed, the mosque burning represented the violent, visible edge of a larger change: the ethnic conflict in the West Bank is metastasizing into Israel, threatening its democracy and unraveling its society.

The agents of this change include veterans of West Bank settlements seeking to establish a presence in shared Jewish-Arab cities in Israel and politicians backing a wave of legislation intended to reduce the rights of Arab citizens.

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  1. yourstruly
    November 27, 2011, 10:52 am

    hey, so-called liberal zionist

    now that the zionist entity has abandoned all pretense of being a democracy

    how does it feel to support an openly racist society?

    no matter, because it’s still jewish?

    but can a society that’s racist be jewish?

    no matter, because it still can serve as a sanctuary for me & mine, should the need arise for us to seek refuge from a flare-up of antisemitism?

    but would you even consider leaving america for the uncertainty of that strife-torn land?

    what could i do instead?

    join the struggle for a just and peaceful world*

    *which, had the zionists done this eighty years ago, could have prevented the holocaust, rather than feeding off of it as they did

  2. DICKERSON3870
    November 27, 2011, 10:55 am

    RE: “It’s the ‘other occupation’.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: The “other” occupation? Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, now I remember: Pork. The Other White Meat.™
    • 1992 – Commercial – America’s Pork Producers – Pork, The other white meat… (VIDEO, 00.24) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dTIoX0cSTQ
    • Squirrel, the other white meat (jpeg image) – http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2628795395783&set=a.2628776755317.139666.1132268443&type=3&theater
    • Jesus, the other white meat (jpeg image) – http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2628795435784&set=a.2628776755317.139666.1132268443&type=3&theater

  3. Chaos4700
    November 27, 2011, 11:48 am

    “Low level violence” my ass. Is it merely “low level” because the victims aren’t Jewish, Mr. Gorenberg?

  4. seafoid
    November 27, 2011, 11:54 am

    “Now that conflict is coming home. The words “price tag” spray-painted in Hebrew on the wall of a burned mosque inside Israel’s pre-1967 borders transformed Israel’s Arab citizens into targets and tore at the all-too-delicate fabric of a shared democracy.”

    A very good Gideon Levy piece in response

    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/israel-s-rightist-religious-camps-mired-in-identity-crisis-1.397941?trailingPath=2.169%2C2.225%2C2.227%2C

    Try asking Likud MKs Danny Danon, Yariv Levin or Zeev Elkin where they are headed and what kind of Israel they hope for. Ask them what will be here in another 20 years if we continue down their path. What would happen if they got their way, right down to the last whim? The settlements would be built. Nonprofit organizations would be shut down. The Arabs would be subjugated. Racist legislation would be passed. Antidemocratic directives would be adopted, along with a host of prohibitions and crackdowns. Do they really believe such a state could survive?

    • patm
      November 27, 2011, 5:07 pm

      That is a good piece by Gideon Levy, seafoid.

      But I’m not sure about his 20-year time frame. Events in your neck of the woods seems to be happening at break-neck speed.

      • seafoid
        November 28, 2011, 3:44 am

        Pat M

        I agree- I think the meltdown will come sooner especially given how the financial crisis is unfolding.

  5. pabelmont
    November 27, 2011, 12:13 pm

    The settlers believe that Israel-is-one. One state. One imagines that (even if they do not speak legalese) they think the war of 1948 was part of (a to be long simmering) civil war for political and social control over a single state, a single land.

    Perhaps that is a correct view, even in law, although the interpreters of law call the West Bank and Gaza “occupied territory”, not part of “Israel” (a country conveniently without stated boundaries).

    But if all I/P is one state, and the civil war pretty much a thing of the past, then what we see now is a non-democratic single state enjoying (is that the mot juste?) a sort of slow-motion expulsion and (relatively) gentle holocaust by most Jews against the Palestinians (pretenders to ownership of what the Jews know they properly own now) and also enjoying (ditto) a sort of civil war between lawless elements (the terrorist-settlers who are, to use American ideqs from 100 years ago, vigilantes-kukluxklan-indian-fighters) and all others.

    And how the governors of the USA and the EU countries just love to stand and watch! What fun! Good entertainment in a time of financial melt-down. If not “bread”, then “circuses”. Feed Palestinians to lions!

    (NB: Jewish lions do, indeed, eat non-Christians, dear.)

    • seafoid
      November 27, 2011, 4:26 pm

      The financial crisis hasn’t hit Israel properly yet. Everything is fine as long as the secular Jews with jobs have the money to sponsor the settlers and the Orthodox. But that is only good as long as the economy grows and the bills for the occupation are put on the long finger.

  6. William Burns
    November 27, 2011, 12:28 pm

    An interesting piece, but one notices that Gorenberg didn’t bother to get the opinion of a single Arab.

    • Avi_G.
      November 28, 2011, 4:27 am

      Simone Daud hasn’t posted here in weeks. Does anyone know what happened to him?

      • patm
        November 28, 2011, 8:21 am

        “Simone Daud hasn’t posted here in weeks. Does anyone know what happened to him?”

        I don’t, Avi_G.

        What I do know is that your posts are not being archived, which is a pity.

        The 5000+ posts that appear when I press your profile link belong to another Avi—one many of us would like to see back on the site.

        But you, sir, should have your own archive!

        Phil, Adam, call in your tech guy, help this fellow out!

      • Chaos4700
        November 28, 2011, 9:25 am

        I’m pretty sure they are still archived, they just can’t be accessed. The mechanism for pulling up profiles and prior comments just doesn’t process the underscore character when it appears in a profile name.

        I’ve admittedly been sitting on that for a while. No offense, but with as hostile as comment moderation is toward me, I don’t have a lot of motivation to offer free technical support and troubleshooting.

      • patm
        November 28, 2011, 10:09 am

        Chaos, it would be terrific to get Avi G’s posts archived so we can read them.

        I noticed annie’s “no shit Sherlock” comment to you last evening, and watched your agitated exchanges the other day. I’m sure annie doesn’t intend to let this spat go on, and I hope you will not carry a grudge.

        I get comments bounced sometimes. A lot of us do, I imagine. Moderating can’t be easy; it must get frantic when the volume of posts is high.

        Cheers, Pat

  7. irena
    November 27, 2011, 12:35 pm

    Leave Israel on its own to disintegrate.

  8. Avi_G.
    November 28, 2011, 4:23 am

    For several years, extremist West Bank settlers have conducted a campaign of low-level violence against their Palestinian neighbors — destroying property, vandalizing mosques and occasionally injuring people.

    False. First of all, most West Bank “settlers” are extremists. Second, these colonists have long used violence against Palestinians, not merely for several years, but for several decades. They have shot and killed innocent Palestinian children, shot and killed livestock, used their vehicles to run over Palestinians and kill them. They have used Molotov cocktails against Palestinians. They have thrown rocks at them.

    If Gorenberg knew some basic history about the conflict — or was honest with readers — he would have mentioned the terror campaign carried out by colonists in the early years of the occupation — post 1967.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6leTGGb4c8w

    These are all documented cases available for anyone who cares to conduct a 30 minute research to compile such incidents. In addition, if this Gorenberg is a historian as he claims to be, then it boggles the mind that he hasn’t heard or read about colonists systematically killing Palestinians over the last 45 years.

    Now that conflict is coming home.

    The conflict was always there. Whoever believes this nonsense ought to have his head checked. It’s one thing when a Hasbara troll shows up on Mondoweiss and peddles old and worn lies, and it’s quite another when a self-styled historian/journalist does so through an op-ed on the pages of the NYT and manages to earn the praise of Philip Weiss.

    Phil writes:

    Here’s Gorenberg’s latest, in the Op-Ed section. It’s good.

    No, it’s not good by any stretch of the imagination, Phil. This is a piece of historical revisionism.

    Back to Gorenberg:

    The words “price tag” spray-painted in Hebrew on the wall of a burned mosque inside Israel’s pre-1967 borders transformed Israel’s Arab citizens into targets and tore at the all-too-delicate fabric of a shared democracy.

    1. It seems that this self-styled historian wasn’t able to identify attacks on Palestinian citizens of Israel prior to the use of the “price tag” graffiti.

    2. So it’s the settlers’ fault then? Prior to this recent mosque burning, Palestinians in Israel had equal rights afforded to them, both by the government and its institutions. Along came the settlers and ruined it all. Wow. Some “shared democracy” that is. Phil, did you read Gorenberg’s historical revisionism while you were asleep, or what?

    Why can’t Gorenberg bring himself to call the 20% minority in Israel, “Palestinians”?

    Indeed, the mosque burning represented the violent, visible edge of a larger change: the ethnic conflict in the West Bank is metastasizing into Israel, threatening its democracy and unraveling its society.

    Horseshit. The conflict was always there on both sides of the Green Line. Just because Gorenberg has his head in the sand, doesn’t change the reality. I remember cases from the 1980s when Palestinians in Israel used to get attacked, stabbed or beaten to a pulp for speaking Arabic in public, at the beach or elsewhere. But, Gorenberg is a self-styled “historian”, “journalist” and “blogger”. So he must be telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Right?

    Shame on you, Phil, for calling this nonsense “good”.

    The agents of this change include veterans of West Bank settlements seeking to establish a presence in shared Jewish-Arab cities in Israel and politicians backing a wave of legislation intended to reduce the rights of Arab citizens.

    He writes this nonsense as though extremists only live in the colonies. Worse yet, Gorenberg seems to think there was democracy for the Palestinian minority in Israel before recent legislation.

    The byline on that NYT op-ed reads: “Gershom Gorenberg is an Israeli journalist and historian and the author of ‘The Unmaking of Israel.'”

    Let me clue you in on a little piece of information, Gorenberg is no historian and when Mondoweiss mentioned him a few weeks ago, I asked about him in Israeli academic circles; no professor has heard of him.

  9. Sumud
    November 28, 2011, 8:54 am

    Such “price tag” attacks, intended to intimidate Palestinians and make Israeli leaders pay a price for enforcing the law against settlers, have become part of the routine of conflict in occupied territory.

    I would question if the price tags are meant to “make Israeli leaders make a price”, or if they’re just a ruse designed to give Israeli leaders some cover for their obvious but unstated policy: permanent occupation & ever increasing expansion of the settlement areas in the West Bank.

    • Chaos4700
      November 28, 2011, 9:29 am

      The reason I keep calling settler activities pogroms is because that’s what they are in every sense of the word. The Israeli government transported them there on their own dime (well, putting aside that US tax money is a major source of income in their budget), the government supplies them utilities, subsidizes their rents and mortgages, and pays the police and military to protect them as they go out burning farms and mosques.

      The Israeli government knows full well what the settlers are doing, and they pay for it. That makes it an Israeli policy for all intents and purposes. Therefore, pogrom.

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