Dennis Ross announces he is leaving the Obama administration in December

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Dennis Ross, the man who personifies the failed peace process over five administrations, the man dubbed “Israel’s lawyer” and, by Abe Foxman, an “advocate” for Israel, the former chairman of the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute– is reported to be packing his bags. From the Times, tweeted and at the site: “Dennis B. Ross, Envoy to Hot Spots, Will Leave Administration in December, Official Says.”

Mark Landler’s story:

Dennis B. Ross, a seasoned diplomat who has been one of President Obama’s most influential advisers on Iran, the Middle East peace process and the political upheaval in the Arab world, will leave the White House in December, a senior administration official said on Thursday.

Mr. Ross, who announced his departure at a lunch with Jewish leaders, told White House officials that he promised his wife he would leave the government after two years.

The secret of Ross’s method, per Aaron David Miller:

Dennis, like myself, had an inherent tendency to see the world of Arab-Israeli politics first from Israel’s vantage point rather than that of the Palestinians… his own strong Jewish identity and his commitment to Israel’s security combined with something else: a deep conviction that if you couldn’t gain Israel’s confidence, you had zero chance of erecting any kind of peace process. And to Dennis, achieving this goal required a degree of coordination with the Israelis…

Huh. No wonder there’s no Palestinian state!

And here’s a bit of wisdom about Egypt from Ross’s last book, Myths, Illusions and Peace (2009), with David Makovsky:

One thing is certain: in a place like Egypt change was not going to come rapidly or easily…. Reform efforts require a serious commitment and a thought-out strategy. They must embody more than short-term pressures and rhetorical flourishes.

Update: ABC News has a statement from Ross:

After nearly three years of serving in the Administration, I am going to be leaving to return to private life. I do so with mixed feelings. It has been an honor to work in the Obama Administration and to serve this President, particularly during a period of unprecedented change in the broader Middle East. Obviously, there is still work to do but I promised my wife I would return to government for only two years and we both agreed it is time to act on my promise. I am grateful to President Obama for having given me the opportunity once again to work on a wide array of Middle Eastern issues and challenges and to support his efforts to promote peace in the region.

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  1. annie
    November 10, 2011, 1:23 pm

    well i guess that settles it, the ‘negotiations’ are officially over.

    • slowereastside
      November 10, 2011, 4:16 pm

      Don’t you worry. Dennis will be well rested when he reappears in the next administration in order to jump start/refocus/sabotage another round of non-negotiations.

  2. seanmcbride
    November 10, 2011, 1:30 pm

    Has any single individual ever done more harm to American interests in the Middle East than Dennis Ross? He was running a con game all along on behalf of Likud.

    • hophmi
      November 10, 2011, 5:38 pm

      “Has any single individual ever done more harm to American interests in the Middle East than Dennis Ross? He was running a con game all along on behalf of Likud.”

      Yeah, I can think of a few. Starting with the last President.

      Dennis Ross is a proponent of the two-state solution, always has been. He’s not a Likudnik or anything resembling one. His view that you cannot have a peace process without the confidence of those you’re asking to make peace is not a novel one.

      • Chaos4700
        November 11, 2011, 12:23 am

        His blind anti-Arab hatred kind of made it hard to get anyone’s confidence besides Zionists.

      • ToivoS
        November 11, 2011, 1:14 am

        egad hophni, no way that Ross supported a real two state solution. I realized this in about 2000 when I heard that Dennis Ross used to be a house guest to Sharansky when he visited Israel. My God, that maniac was one of Likuds major players. I heard this story at that time that if true then it was obvious that Dennis Ross was a Zionist plant deeply embedded in the Clinton administration.

      • Potsherd2
        November 11, 2011, 8:30 am

        Didn’t seem to occur to him to gain the confidence of the other side in the process, did it?

    • seafoid
      November 10, 2011, 5:54 pm

      Dick Cheney

  3. Dan Crowther
    November 10, 2011, 1:44 pm

    I have to wonder if this isn’t a part of a larger “purge” (pardon the expression)
    – if military options for Iran are on the table and being discussed, having guys like Ross around might not be prudent. In other words, maybe this is part of the Obama strategy to stop leaks of information – in this case to Israel- from administration officials.

  4. Dex
    November 10, 2011, 1:56 pm

    Can the next person at least have a PhD in Conflict Resolution or something! I think Dennis Ross’s academic credentials consist of an M.A. in European history or something like that…

    • Theo
      November 11, 2011, 6:34 am

      Dex

      In my life I have seen idiotic individuals with Prof. Dr. titles.

      What we need is an intelligent american, with real good common sense, who is faithful to this nation and who can decide what is right and what is wrong.
      What we don´t need is another zionist jew with titles who sells the interest of his country to please his israeli masters.
      To add: we should fire all individuals with double citizenships from all goverment positions and jobs, they serve not this country, but Israel.

  5. Dan Kelly
    November 10, 2011, 2:06 pm

    He’s the U.S. envoy to the Middle East (though one would think the Middle East in this case constitutes solely Israel) and he “announced his departure at a lunch with Jewish leaders.”

    Not with “U.S. leaders” or “Middle East leaders” but with “Jewish leaders.”

    I never thought I’d long for the days of the WASP establishment.

    • seanmcbride
      November 10, 2011, 2:28 pm

      It might be a blessed relief at this point to bring the WASP establishment back to power in the United States, but unfortunately it seems to have lost its financial base.

      One thing is for sure: permitting pro-Israel activists to acquire control of the foreign policy-making machinery of the American government has turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. I’m not sure the damage can fixed. This ship may be going down for good.

      • hophmi
        November 10, 2011, 5:39 pm

        “It might be a blessed relief at this point to bring the WASP establishment back to power in the United States, but unfortunately it seems to have lost its financial base.”

        Yes, because those WASPs are so damn poor. What the hell are you talking about? The WASPs in this country are doing just fine.

        • Chaos4700
          November 11, 2011, 8:35 am

          Yeah! Just ask 99% of them!

        • seanmcbride
          November 11, 2011, 11:36 am

          How many WASPs occupy positions on the annual Forbes billionaires list? As a group, they are no longer the dominant financial bloc in the United States.

          Compared to the neocons, they now seem like the soul of sanity — blessedly free of hysteria about their ethnic issues and identity. (And I am not denying that they made many mistakes in American foreign policy over the years.)

    • W.Jones
      November 10, 2011, 2:47 pm

      “I never thought I’d long for the days of the WASP establishment.”

      LOLZ.

      I dunno. Maybe having different factions of establishment groups is healthier than just a monolith…..

      Still… you funny.

    • justicewillprevail
      November 10, 2011, 2:59 pm

      Ha ha, yes, he has to tell his handlers and bosses first, before he reports to the sheep.

  6. Les
    November 10, 2011, 2:57 pm

    Maybe this latest phony story was the last straw.

    November 10, 2011

    Did the Israelis Provide the IAEA False Information?
    Iran’s “Soviet Nuclear Scientist” Never Worked on Weapons
    by GARETH PORTER

    link to counterpunch.org

    • Theo
      November 11, 2011, 6:52 am

      Here we see another israeli disinformation planted by cohorts in Vienna.
      And our MSM salivates over a non-existent nuklear bomb in Iran, beats the war drums and hopes our boys will go to die again to serve israeli interests.

      We removed Saddam Hussein, a stumbling block to the israeli hegemony in the ME, now they spread rumors and false news so we go and remove the last obstacle. After Iran´s fall Israel has a free way to dominate the ME, unless Turkey decides not to allow it.
      Israel may have more sophisticated weapons, however Turkey has a huge army that was respected in Korea, Vietnam and other conflicts.
      Not the airforce, but the boots on the ground win a war, as we can see from our defeat in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Anyone saying that we are winning those wars should go and see his headshrinker soon.

  7. yourstruly
    November 10, 2011, 3:03 pm

    does his resignation mean that the white house is open to new ideas?

    like just maybe being at least even-handed re” the palestine/israel conflict

    the resolution of which will be a giant step towards peace on earth and goodwill towards all living beings

    if so, should we anticipate a wh that solicits input from the public?

    hmm, are we at the moment when the heretofore failure as a leader somehow comes to his senses & begins to lead?

    occupy the white house?

    invited & welcomed in

    • Woody Tanaka
      November 10, 2011, 3:56 pm

      “does his resignation mean that the white house is open to new ideas?”

      LOL. Ross is leaving, the Zio money isn’t.

      • yourstruly
        November 10, 2011, 4:40 pm

        good point

        but if it gets through to the wh that the only way to win the 2012 election is by doing a 180 degree turnabout on the mideast conflict?

        impossible?

        might depend upon what occupy the world says & does

  8. sensa
    November 10, 2011, 3:05 pm

    Good riddance! It cannot get much worse.

    • James
      November 10, 2011, 4:54 pm

      that is what most folks thought after cheney and bush left… new leader pardons the old leaders and this is what some folks call leadership………..

    • libra
      November 10, 2011, 5:22 pm

      sensa: “Good riddance! It cannot get much worse.”

      Let’s see who comes next. How about the Dersh?

  9. dumvitaestspesest
    November 10, 2011, 3:16 pm

    At least, it seems like he is trying to keep “a promise” given to his wife, while all the others, given by him, failed.

    • Pamela Olson
      November 10, 2011, 6:25 pm

      “Promise to his wife”? Please. That’s just another variation on, “He wants to spend more time with his family.” He was sacked, clearly. Why? I don’t know. It can’t be his history of utter failure. That’s been well-known for a very long time (and probably is the main reason he keeps getting the job).

      • annie
        November 10, 2011, 6:36 pm

        here’s one theory: Dennis Ross Fired Over IAEA Dud.

        sounds kinda likely to me.

        • lysias
          November 10, 2011, 6:52 pm

          So does this mean the whole effort to ramp up pressure on Iran has failed and will be abandoned?

        • Potsherd2
          November 11, 2011, 8:33 am

          They’ll never abandon it. Neocons are like vampires, they rise again from what was supposed to be their graves.

        • ahhiyawa
          November 11, 2011, 1:05 pm

          No.

          The US has economic and national security differences with the Iranians. Likudniks, Zealous Zionists, neocons and fellow travelers are trying to exploit US/Iranian competition to their advantage and not doing a very good job of it, as the latest IAEA SNAFU amply demonstrates.

          When all’s said and done the US and Iran will ultimately come to a mutual ‘modus operandi,’ especially and quite rapidly after that precise moment the Iranians have become nuclear capable. The US cannot afford to wage a war against Iran, not without totally militarizing state, economy and society as it did during WW II. That’s not going to happen.

        • Sand
          November 11, 2011, 1:51 pm

          Or:

          @TonyKaron “Dennis Ross quits: A message to his constituency that Obama won’t be attacking Iran? There goes the AIPAC vote…”

          Maybe there is some pushback within the Administration?

          Leon Panetta warns against Iran strike
          US defence secretary says military action against Iranian nuclear sites could have unintended consequences for the region

          link to guardian.co.uk

        • Sand
          November 11, 2011, 2:18 pm

          From the I-Lobby ‘Rabbi Chapter’ meeting with WH officials in 2010:

          page 42 Rabbi Victor Urecki: “…The answer I and others got was the President will find his opportunities to make his feelings known in time (i.e. to “reach out to Israelis who have serious concerns about him”). And that was it.

          There was more but as if to emphasize the point that we should not worry about where the President stands on Israel, Emmanuel, Dennis ross and Dan Shapiro, as Jews and supporters of Israel, emphasized to us that they would not be in this Administration if they felt, for one minute, Obama’s priorities were not in the right place…”

          Bye bye Ross.

          link to bnaijacob.com

  10. seanmcbride
    November 10, 2011, 3:16 pm

    Some key Dennis Ross associations:

    1. ADL (Anti-Defamation League) 2. AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) 3. Bilderberg Group 4. Bush 41 administration 5. Bush 43 administration 6. Carter administration 7. Clinton administration 8. Daniel Pipes 9. David Makovsky 10. Democratic Party 11. Fouad Ajami 12. Fox News 13. Haim Saban 14. Iran sanctions 15. Iraq War 16. Israel lobby 17. James Woolsey 18. Jewish lobby 19. JPPI (Jewish People Policy Institute) 20. Lewis Libby 21. Libby Legal Defense Trust 22. Martin Peretz 23. MERCAZ USA 24. Michael Rubin 25. Middle East Quarterly 26. neoconservatives 27. neoliberals 28. New Republic 29. Obama administration 30. Paul Wolfowitz 31. PNAC (Project for the New American Century) 32. religious Zionism 33. Republican Party 34. Robert Satloff 35. Thomas Friedman 36. UANI (United Against Nuclear Iran) 37. WINEP (Washington Institute for Near East Policy)

    It’s fascinating to notice how deeply embedded Dennis Ross is in the neoconservative political network — seriously: a member of the Libby Legal Defense Trust? An associate of Fouad Ajami and James Woolsey at UANI (an organization which he co-founded)?

    Ross’s failure to achieve a Mideast peace settlement wasn’t a product of his incompetence — it was a product of his *competence*. Mission accomplished.

    • hophmi
      November 10, 2011, 5:44 pm

      “Some key Dennis Ross associations:”

      What do you mean by “associations?”

      “It’s fascinating to notice how deeply embedded Dennis Ross is in the neoconservative political network ”

      It’s also fascinating to realize he’s a neoliberal, not a neoconservative.

      • annie
        November 10, 2011, 6:25 pm

        hophmi, as far as i know all neoconservatives are all neoliberal, unless you can think of one who isn’t.

      • Pamela Olson
        November 10, 2011, 6:26 pm

        It’s fascinating when you finally realize neoliberalism and neoconservatism are two sides of the same neocolonialist coin.

        • hophmi
          November 10, 2011, 7:49 pm

          It’s always easier to be intellectually lazy and pronounce two ideas you don’t agree with as two sides of the same coin.

          Neoliberalism and neoconservatism as foreign policy theories have little in common.

        • annie
          November 10, 2011, 8:36 pm

          one is allegedly economic, the other is political but just name me one neocon who is not a neoliberal and then maybe i’ll listen.

        • Donald
          November 11, 2011, 12:12 am

          “Neoliberalism and neoconservatism as foreign policy theories have little in common.”

          Back when I read them, The New Republic and Commentary had quite a bit in common when it came to foreign policy. Commentary was more openly arrogant and aggressive, whereas The New Republic strives to wrap its warmongering in a more civilized veneer. Some of the differences were merely partisan and stylistic. The New Republic thought that the American empire could be run better and in a more sophisticated way by Democrats. They were both very pro-Israel obviously and writers in both magazines hated antiwar lefties with equal passion.

          Quite a few Democrats joined the Republicans in calling for the Iraq War. The sort of Democrat who would do that would be the self-described “tough-minded thinkers” that you’d find writing in the New Republic.

        • Chaos4700
          November 11, 2011, 12:25 am

          Be specific, hophmi. Compare and contrast.

        • hophmi
          November 11, 2011, 9:51 am

          Neoliberalism believes in the importance of democracy, interdependence, and international institutions. Its main intellectual is Joe Nye, who coined the term “soft power.” Neoconservatism places less importance on all of these things, particularly international institutions, and believes in the centrality of American military power.

          They are extremely different.

        • seanmcbride
          November 11, 2011, 10:56 am

          Hophmi,

          Neocons and neolibs are two arms of the Israel lobby — one predominately situated in the Republican Party, the other in the Democratic Party. Neocons and neolibs are pro-Israel militants first, last and everything in between — they are maniacally Israelcentric in their agenda and take on the world. They are interchangeable: neocons are neolibs on the “right” and neolibs are neocons the “left.” In truth, the terms “right” and “left” mean absolutely nothing to them. There are running a shell game.

          This is why “neoliberal” Dennis Ross is up to his eyeballs in neoconservative connections — he was even a supporter of the PNAC and the Libby Legal Defense Trust.

          Irving Kristol, the godfather of neoconservatism, on the near synonymy of neoconservatism and neoliberalism:

          BEGIN

          “By the time I was twenty-two, my “intellectual formation” (as the French would say) was already beginning to take shape. The seeds of my future neoliberalism and neoconservatism had been sown….”

          –Irving Kristol; Neoconservatism: the Autobiography of an Idea; 1995; Simon and Schuster; page 9

          link to books.google.com

          END

          You know, Hophmi, my impression is that you get absolutely nothing right about anything. You get everything wrong. And you are also a knee-jerk defender of the Israeli government. There may be a connection between those two facts. You are a mechanistic propagandist for an ethnic nationalist movement, not a serious creative thinker.

          Zionism as a whole has morphed into a militantly anti-intellectual nativist movement that is radically un-Jewish according to the best values that the Jewish tradition stands for. This is why Israel’s best friends these days are religious fundamentalists like John Hagee, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin. These are your bedfellows.

        • kapok
          November 11, 2011, 11:22 am

          yes, different, like night and day: mass slaughter in broad daylight vs slow, clandestine strangulation, Honduras eg.

        • Mooser
          November 11, 2011, 11:50 am

          “Its main intellectual is Joe Nye”

          Joe Nye, the science guy? He’s really smart!

        • hophmi
          November 11, 2011, 12:06 pm

          “Neocons and neolibs are two arms of the Israel lobby — one predominately situated in the Republican Party, the other in the Democratic Party. ”

          Again, I have no idea where you get this conspiracy theory from. Neither is true.

          “Neocons and neolibs are pro-Israel militants first, last and everything in between ”

          Based on what? Please tell me how Joseph Nye is a pro-Israel militant.

          You seem to be, at a minimum, conflating neoliberalism as an economic theory with neoliberalism as a foreign policy theory.

          “You know, Hophmi, my impression is that you get absolutely nothing right about anything.”

          You know, mcbride, my impression is that not only do you get absolutely nothing right about everything, but you don’t have the capacity to even understand your mistakes.

          “You are a mechanistic propagandist for an ethnic nationalist movement, not a serious creative thinker.”

          LOL. You’re an proponent of antisemitism.

      • libra
        November 10, 2011, 7:16 pm

        hophmi: What do you mean by “associations?”

        Online dictionaries can help with big words such as this.

      • seanmcbride
        November 11, 2011, 11:10 am

        Hophmi,

        I am using the term “association” in the context of a formal semantic markup scheme (I am actually much more interested in Semantic Web technologies than Mideast politics), but the meaning should be obvious. A person x is associated with something y if x is affiliated with, allied with, an associate of, a co-founder of, a friend of, a funder of, is funded by, a graduate of, a leader of, a member of, a propagandist for, a supporter of, is supported by, etc. y.

        Dennis Ross’s associative (and social) network is loaded with neoconservative connections. Check out the membership list of UANI (United Against Nuclear Iran), for instance. But I get the sense that empirical social science research isn’t your thing. You are an emotional ethnic nationalist. It impossible to pursue rational discussions with ethnic nationalists.

        • hophmi
          November 11, 2011, 12:09 pm

          “I am using the term “association” in the context of a formal semantic markup scheme (I am actually much more interested in Semantic Web technologies than Mideast politics), but the meaning should be obvious.”

          So, basically, if his name comes up in a google search with your organizations, he’s “associated” with them.

          Thanks. At least you’re honest about your mendacity.

          ” But I get the sense that empirical social science research isn’t your thing.”

          ROTFLMAO. You are not in a position to speak of empirical research.

          “You are an emotional ethnic nationalist. It impossible to pursue rational discussions with ethnic nationalists.”

          It’s impossible to pursue discussions with conspiracy theorists.

        • seanmcbride
          November 11, 2011, 12:49 pm

          Hophmi,

          Which of the Dennis Ross associations I mentioned — especially the *neoconservative* associations — do you consider not to be significant and important? Name them, specifically, and let’s take a close look.

          1. Dennis Ross was a co-founder of UANI (United Against Nuclear Iran), which includes prominently among its membership leading neocons like James “bomb, bomb Iran” Woolsey.

          2. Dennis Ross was a co-founder of WINEP (Washington Institute for Near East Policy), an offshoot of AIPAC which helped drive the United States into the Iraq War.

          3. Dennis Ross was a member of the Libby Legal Defense Trust. Lewis Libby was a prominent neoconservative in the Bush 43 administration, and most of the members of this group are prominent neocons (and, no surprise, neoliberals, like Martin Peretz and Leon Wieseltier).

          4. Dennis Ross signed off on the PNAC agenda — the PNAC was probably the most important neoconservative pressure group among dozens of such groups in the neocon echo chamber.

          I can go on, at length. Shall I?

          Which of the above well-documented facts are conspiracy theories? See if you can engage in a rational argument for once.

      • seanmcbride
        November 11, 2011, 11:27 am

        Hophmi,

        If I endlessly harangued you with, say, Irish nationalist issues in a strident, demanding and confrontational way, would you eventually become sick of me? Wish me gone, out of your world entirely? You would be crazy if you didn’t.

        Ethnic nationalism is a nonstarter in modern Western democratic cultures. Wake up. Smart people in modern Western democratic societies maintain a low profile on their ethnic and religious issues, and especially on *ethno-religious nationalist* issues, which are incredibly divisive and unproductive. Most smart Jews I know get this. It’s a no-brainer.

        As it has turned out, Zionism is bad for the Jews. It’s possible that Zionism could have been managed to avoid it’s current insoluble problems, but that’s not what happened. Neoconservatives and neoliberals like Dennis Ross have trapped Israel in a political cul-de-sac.

      • seanmcbride
        November 11, 2011, 11:54 am

        Hophmi,

        Neoconservatives in the Republican Party and neoliberals in the Democratic Party joined forces to promote and enable the Iraq War, the worst foreign policy disaster in American history. What unites them is their pro-Israel militancy and commitment to plutocracy and oligarchy. They are arms of a single lobby — the Israel lobby — and they take their marching orders from AIPAC and its network of dozens of pressure groups.

        There is really not a dime’s worth of difference between billionaire Sheldon Adelson on the right and billionaire Haim Saban on the left. The name of the game is to manipulate Americans into dumping trillions of dollars down the drain on behalf of the most extreme right-wing regime in the history of Israel. They succeeded in bending Barack Obama to their will with the greatest of ease.

  11. flyod
    November 10, 2011, 3:30 pm

    Ross should be deported back to Israel….

    • James
      November 10, 2011, 4:58 pm

      not before he signs a piece of paper saying he entered the usa illegally as a foreign entity.. if he doesn’t agree to sign the paper he will have to sit in a prison cell for a few months and then be deported back to the country he swears allegiance to…

      • hophmi
        November 10, 2011, 5:44 pm

        “not before he signs a piece of paper saying he entered the usa illegally as a foreign entity.. if he doesn’t agree to sign the paper he will have to sit in a prison cell for a few months and then be deported back to the country he swears allegiance to…”

        You are antisemitic assholes. Dennis Ross is not a citizen of Israel. He’s an American citizen.

        • annie
          November 10, 2011, 6:16 pm

          do you think it is anti semitic to call him israel’s lawyer?

        • Pamela Olson
          November 10, 2011, 6:27 pm

          Sure doesn’t act like one… (an American citizen, that is)

        • Avi_G.
          November 10, 2011, 6:43 pm

          hophmi November 10, 2011 at 5:44 pm

          You are antisemitic assholes.

          So the commenter who claims to be a “big tent” “leftist” — however “freelance” he may be — is here to issue clarion calls for the likes of you, eh?

          Classy, but predictable.

        • American
          November 10, 2011, 7:49 pm

          “You are antisemitic assholes. Dennis Ross is not a citizen of Israel. He’s an American citizen”

          LOL ….that reminds of the famous move line where one of the characters is called a ‘bastard’ by another and he replies….’Yes, in my case an unfortunate accident of birth, but in you sir it’s entirely self made.’

          Ross is no American even though an accident of birth may have given him citizenship. He’s a self made Israeli.

        • hophmi
          November 10, 2011, 7:51 pm

          No. I think it’s antisemitic to call for his deportation and accuse him of swearing allegiance to another country. One could derisively characterize his viewpoint as being identified with sympathy for Israel’s point of view in the context of American peacemaking and in the context of taking the position that America has a national and security interest in making sure Israel is on board with any peace agreement.

        • hophmi
          November 10, 2011, 7:52 pm

          “Sure doesn’t act like one… (an American citizen, that is)”

          Really, Pamela? Why don’t you educate us on what points of view American citizens are permitted to hold while still being called American citizens. I’m curious.

        • James
          November 10, 2011, 9:50 pm

          hophmi – i don’t know if you’ve been paying attention to what israel is demanding some of the passengers from the latest flotilla this past week.. go find out and you will see what i am alluding to here in my post… the fact israel is demanding those in international waters sign a waiver saying they entered israel illegally(while they were forced to go to israel), or face a few months in jail is how fascist and fucked up israel has become.. israel is beyond maintaining any facade of decency… i think you need to be getting in a rage about that my friend…

        • James
          November 10, 2011, 9:56 pm

          annie question :
          semantics… one knows a person based on their actions…. anti-semite is just a catch phrase used to hammer nails nowadays… the head has gone dull and needs to be replaced with another catchphrase…

        • annie
          November 10, 2011, 10:33 pm

          i do not think the word needs to be replaced for a ‘catch phrase’. it should be replaced with the same word we use for every other ethnicity. bigotry and/or racism. i reject the idea one ethnicity should have it’s own word only for them. it doesn’t make sense for the rest of humanity to share the same words and for one particular ethnicity to have a separate word specifically for bigotry against them. so, no catch phrases just call it like we would all others. if someone is a bigot they are a bigot, a racist is a racist (and remember racism encompasses prejudice based on ethnicities. so i wouod just abolish the term altogether becasue it is gramatically non sensical anyway since it doesn’t apply to the majority of semites in the world anyway. (well it might but if you use it that way you get called an anti semite by team shalom..so what’s the difference?)

          or, we could invent new phrases for bigots of each ethnicity and then rank them on a level of which is worst. antisemites being at the top of course/snark (sorta, but we’re programed o believe it so what’s the difference?) and islamophibucs being ‘acceptable’ in the msm.

          better to scrap them all and just call a spade a spade, a bigot a bigot or a racist a racist, it works for the rest of us anyway.

        • annie
          November 10, 2011, 10:33 pm

          i do not think the word needs to be replaced for a ‘catch phrase’. it should be replaced with the same word we use for every other ethnicity. bigotry and/or racism. i reject the idea one ethnicity should have it’s own word only for them. it doesn’t make sense for the rest of humanity to share the same words and for one particular ethnicity to have a separate word specifically for bigotry against them. so, no catch phrases just call it like we would all others. if someone is a bigot they are a bigot, a racist is a racist (and remember racism encompasses prejudice based on ethnicities). so i would just abolish the term altogether because it is grammatically nonsensical since it doesn’t apply to the majority of semites in the world anyway. (well it might but if you use it that way you get called an anti semite by team shalom..so what’s the difference?)

          or, we could invent new phrases for bigots of each ethnicity and then rank them on a level of which is worst. antisemites being at the top of course/snark (sorta, but we’re programed to believe it so what’s the difference?) and islamophibics being ‘acceptable’ in the msm.

          better to scrap them all and just call a spade a spade, a bigot is a bigot or a racist a racist, it works for the rest of us doesn’t it?

        • RoHa
          November 10, 2011, 10:34 pm

          “You are antisemitic assholes.”

          Can you offer a single shred of evidence that the animus towards Ross comes from him being Jewish and not completely from him being a tool of Israel?

          If not, your accusation of anti-Semitism shows that you think “anti-Israel” is the same thing as “anti-Jewish”

        • thankgodimatheist
          November 10, 2011, 11:07 pm

          “You are antisemitic assholes.”

          Haha..When everything else fails…

        • James
          November 10, 2011, 11:07 pm

          annie – i agree with you and like what you have said here.. why have a word for it, when bigotry or racism is what is being addressed?

          you have misunderstood what i was suggesting by taking it a bit more seriously or differently then i had intended… to me the label ‘anti-semitism’ is for the most part now nothing more then a catchphrase.. it has been used to bully and shut people down from addressing the many wrongs being done by israel… they need a new catchphrase only in so far as they want to shut others down from communicating the wrongs that are being done in the name of israel… at any rate, i agree with you comments and like what you’ve said here…

        • James
          November 10, 2011, 11:20 pm

          roha -bingo!

          and i think this is just how israel wants it too… all jewish people have had their identity stolen by israel essentially … if you say something negative about israel, it means by definition you are against all jewish people and can therefore be labeled ‘anti-semite’.. of course it is 100% bullshit, but israel has succeeded in suggesting this line of thinking on the world stage…

          against what israel is doing??

          well you must be anti-semite…

          no, i am opposed to the slow ethnocide of the palestinian people.. i am opposed to their being cut off from one another, ghettoized essentially by a country-israel) that was supposed to be based on the ‘never again’ ideology… they are doing the ‘never again’ part to the palestinians and many seem completely alright with it! it is so crazy how this has happened and of course intelligent minded people of all cultures and religions are seeing just how wrong it is what israel is doing to those they have made a political culture of ostracizing and worse.. it is not anti-semite to say all this… this anti-semite saying has no meaning anymore..

        • Donald
          November 11, 2011, 12:17 am

          “if someone is a bigot they are a bigot, a racist is a racist (and remember racism encompasses prejudice based on ethnicities).”

          I agree with this. I’m also tired of the weasel argument that someone who is an Islamophobe isn’t a racist because Islam is a religion, when everyone recognizes that anti-semitism is a form of racism even though Jews aren’t a race (whatever the word race means anyway). There’s also the closely related weasel argument that Israel isn’t guilty of racism because their discrimination against Palestinians is “political”, or whatever term one wants to use.

        • Theo
          November 11, 2011, 6:56 am

          Very good, american!

        • American
          November 11, 2011, 10:31 am

          “i do not think the word needs to be replaced for a ‘catch phrase’. it should be replaced with the same word we use for every other ethnicity. bigotry and/or racism. i reject the idea one ethnicity should have it’s own word only for them.”

          I agree. Putting one group in their own special or elevated catageory
          of vicitmhood or discrimination, seperate from other groups, just encourages the seperateness and cult like mentality of that group.
          A bigot is a bigot, nothing more special about hating Jews than hating blacks or gays or whoever, and generally a bigot hates everyone not like them or their group.

        • Sand
          November 11, 2011, 8:36 pm

          hophmi “…No. I think it’s antisemitic to call for his deportation and accuse him of swearing allegiance to another country. One could derisively characterize his viewpoint as being identified with sympathy for Israel’s point of view in the context of American peacemaking and in the context of taking the position that America has a national and security interest in making sure Israel is on board with any peace agreement…

          They don’t get deported? However, I think it really creepy when these guys start talking about wearing the same pins. “Dan and I wear the same pins.”

          Israel’s Ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren
          link to generalassembly.org

          Michael Oren is about to become single loyalty. Before he was just dual
          link to mondoweiss.net

      • kalithea
        November 11, 2011, 1:05 am

        Bravo! Couldn’t have put it better myself!

    • Taxi
      November 10, 2011, 11:15 pm

      Don’t inflict more monsters onto occupied Palestine. We need an faraway Alcatraz/Gitmo to send criminal zionists to.

      Palestinians got enough euro trash to clean up already!

      • Antidote
        November 11, 2011, 10:08 pm

        “Why don’t you educate us on what points of view American citizens are permitted to hold while still being called American citizens. ”

        I’d say nobody really answered your question, hophmi. It’s a good question.

      • Antidote
        November 11, 2011, 10:28 pm

        TAXI, November 10, 2011 at 11:49 am

        Antidote,
        I used “righteous vengeance” in quotes deary. So like get over yourself now AND next time! [...] I don’t mind a mud fight with racists in the slightest – my sleeves are permanently rolled, my goggles come with windshield wipers :-)”

        TAXI November 10, 11:15 pm:

        “Palestinians got enough euro trash to clean up already!”

        Why don’t you take your goggles off and punch yourself in the face, taxi, rather than project your racism on ‘euro trash’ like me, or Zionist ‘monsters’? Your racism charges are no more interesting than the ‘anti-semitism!’ bore

        • Taxi
          November 11, 2011, 11:42 pm

          Antidote,
          I can take a punch in the face, can you – your frigging cowardly racist colonialist euro monster trash. Get the eff outta Palestine! It ain’t yours and it ain’t NEVER gonna be yours.

          Frigging nazi invaders of the holy land!

  12. iamuglow
    November 10, 2011, 3:42 pm

    the bit about

    “achieving this goal required a degree of coordination with the Israelis…”

    almost sounds like a defense for spying or treason. Would be great news about that followed this.

  13. seanmcbride
    November 10, 2011, 3:55 pm

    Where it all began to go wrong with Dennis Ross (from Wikipedia):

    “In the mid-1980s Ross co-founded with Martin Indyk the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)-sponsored Washington Institute for Near East Policy (“WINEP”). His first WINEP paper called for appointment of a “non-Arabist Special Middle East envoy” who would “not feel guilty about our relationship with Israel.””

    link to en.wikipedia.org

    Translation of “not feel guilty about our relationship Israel”: push the interests of Israel (and one’s own narrow tribal interests) at the expense of the American interest and Americans as a whole. What a bad idea that turned out to be. It’s an idea that needs to be rolled back and discarded. Why did anyone buy into it in the first place?

    • hophmi
      November 10, 2011, 5:46 pm

      “Translation of “not feel guilty about our relationship Israel”: push the interests of Israel (and one’s own narrow tribal interests) at the expense of the American interest and Americans as a whole. What a bad idea that turned out to be. It’s an idea that needs to be rolled back and discarded. Why did anyone buy into it in the first place?”

      Translation: We should support the region’s only democracy where the population is pro-American instead of backward dictatorships where the people hate us. Hmm, I wonder why it’s been so easy to convince members of Congress. Oh yes, because it’s logical.

      • Pamela Olson
        November 10, 2011, 6:29 pm

        So cute! “Region’s only democracy” is so two thousand and late… And “backward dictatorships”? Er… first of all, racist much? Second, WE PROPPED UP NEARLY ALL OF THOSE DICTATORS. Third, ever hear of a little thing called the Arab Spring?

        Seriously, it’s just funny at this point. Keep bringin’ on the Lolz.

        • hophmi
          November 10, 2011, 7:54 pm

          “And “backward dictatorships”? Er… first of all, racist much?”

          Er, the term backward dictatorship is not racist, Pamela. Most people would agree that dictatorship is a backward form of government.

          “Third, ever hear of a little thing called the Arab Spring?”

          Ever hear of a democratic Arab election followed by a second democratic Arab election? Not too recently.

          “Seriously, it’s just funny at this point. Keep bringin’ on the Lolz.”

          What’s funny is your naivete and your inability to separate your propaganda from reality.

        • ritzl
          November 10, 2011, 11:53 pm

          What’s racist is attempting to dismiss the Arabs as politically incapable with the blanket, and knowingly wrong, assertion that the Arab states around Israel are all “backward dictatorships.”

          To review:

          Iraq: Democracy, imperfect but working.
          Jordan: Not a Democracy. “Safety-valved” Monarchy.
          Syria: “Backward dictatorship” with a thuggish, tribal underlay.
          Lebanon: Democracy, imperfect, but working.
          Egypt: Soon to be Democracy.
          Libya: In flux, tending toward Democracy.
          Tunisia: Democracy.
          Israel: Temporarily a Democracy, representing about 2/3 of the people it rules. It’s hard to know what to call Israel at this point. 44 years is probably enough time to make a reasonably accurate judgement that they want and are slo-mo annexing all of the WB. Given that process, in a couple of years Israel couldn’t really be called a Democracy.

          And last but not least, Palestine: Democracy, until Israel and the US threw a coup into the mix.

          So instead of looking back a few years and using the contrivance of US-installed and/or supported dictatorships as examples of Arab political ineptness, it might be better to look at the current trends. The Arab states are moving toward Democracy, maturing politically. Israel is the state moving backwards toward elite rule/ethnocracy.

        • Donald
          November 11, 2011, 12:22 am

          People made exactly the same arguments for apartheid South Africa that you’re making for Israel. Democratic (for those it wasn’t oppressing), undemocratic neighbors ruled by dictators, with the suggestion just below the surface that maybe those blacks never would be ready for democratic self-government, so maybe we’d better support the closest thing to democracy that Africa had. It turns out that the rest of Africa started changing in a democratic direction around the same time that apartheid fell, almost as though it was an idea whose time had come. Not that Africa is perfect now, but nobody likes to remember the arguments people used to make for apartheid South Africa, though I sometimes see echoes of them here from Israel defenders (and sometimes made by people actually talking about South Africa and not just Israel).

        • seafoid
          November 11, 2011, 8:21 am

          Greater Israel is no democracy.

      • john h
        November 10, 2011, 6:48 pm

        “Hmm, I wonder why it’s been so easy to convince members of Congress. Oh yes, because it’s logical.”

        Yeah, a special Congress logic. Easy to convince because it wins elections by bringing the backing of narrow tribal interests that assure them it is not at the expense of the American interest.

        They have no idea why “the [Arab] people hate us” and that what they do just adds to that.

      • anonymouscomments
        November 10, 2011, 9:21 pm

        Aside from supporting dictators, which often does have perks for the US elite… Tell me hop, why DO (many of) the people hate us (or actually our policies, as they often like Americans but hate our gov policy, cause they are so darn backwards)? Google some polls or get friends from there, like I have, before you excuse your “birthright” nation from this whole equation.

      • Charon
        November 11, 2011, 12:54 am

        Translation: We should support the region’s only democracy where the population is pro-American instead of backward dictatorships where the people hate us. Hmm, I wonder why it’s been so easy to convince members of Congress. Oh yes, because it’s logical.

        LOL! Democracy. Yeah Israel is a democracy alright. Look buddy, if you Likudists think all of the land from the Jordan to the sea is yours, t’aint no democracy. In Israel Arabs are second-class citizens subject to loyalty laws. Bedouins, who served Israel in their wars of the past, are treated like crap. Free speech just went out the window with the anti-boycott thing. Oh and Lebanon is a democracy. AND Jordan ranks higher than Israel (pre-1967 Israel) on the freedom index.

        Logical? Sorry but Apartheid, ethnic cleansing, occupation, murder, genocide, racism, fascism, organ-harvesting, pathological lying, sociopathic populous, psychopathic leaders, etc. defy all logical explanation when it comes to the USA supporting them. Congress is a tool for AIPAC and that is obvious beyond any doubt. How much you get paid to write these tired bullet points? Maybe you should troll some place else, it just makes you look bad here.

  14. seafoid
    November 10, 2011, 4:26 pm

    “It has been an honor to work in the Obama Administration and to serve this President, particularly during a period of unprecedented change in the broader Middle East”

    ..particularly since it came as a complete curveball that was resistant to the standard treatment of money and accusations of antisemitism

    When it all falls apart and the settlers are at war with the secularists in Israel it will be people like Dennis Ross who will be recognised as bearing much of the responsibility for developing and encouraging the political environment in which half a million Jews could be enticed to the West Bank at the ultimate cost of the Jewish State. The path of least resistance, always. Ross has done Israel zero service. Same goes for Foxman.

    • annie
      November 10, 2011, 4:42 pm

      it will be people like Dennis Ross who will be recognised as bearing much of the responsibility

      as he should be. he should go down in history as the handmaiden to apartheid.

      • Charon
        November 11, 2011, 12:56 am

        When the dust settles from the ‘fallout’ of all this, his name will be right alongside all the other crooks responsible for this. There is no doubt in my mind that Palestine will have Nuremberg trials of it’s own and Ross will not walk away

  15. Taxi
    November 10, 2011, 4:27 pm

    Denis Ross I say to thee: Sayonara mother effer!

    Poncey dude left in a powdered huff cuz Obama told Sarkozy (and the world) that he ain’t a fan of LIARS either! Denise dude rushed out the oval office in tears cuz Obama REFUSED to make a public apology to Pharaoh Natanyahy – uhuh you bet yer crumbs of gold that’s why the expensively bespectacled snake sobbed and slobbered out the WH door!

    Loyalty to a foreign Apartheid system should be considered a crime against the very principles of our Republic. A high Crime committed by the lowliest of citizens.

    But heck, let’s just see who the new appointee is before we guess Obama’s gameplan for the next twelve months.

    Man I bet GeorgeeeeMitchell is doing a fast Irish jig tonight and buying drinks for everyone at his local bar.

    • annie
      November 10, 2011, 4:43 pm

      priceless taxi

    • justicewillprevail
      November 10, 2011, 4:50 pm

      Not so fast. He probably got the heave for not being Likud obsessive enough. I mean, he might have had a scintilla of doubt about rushing to more war and death. Who will be the next zionist bagman?

    • chet
      November 10, 2011, 5:47 pm

      Maybe Chas Freeman might be back in the picture – (when pigs fly!!)

      • Taxi
        November 11, 2011, 1:51 am

        We want Chas! We want Chas! We want Chas!

        The People Demand the Services of Chas!
        (c’mon chant with me!)
        The People Demand the Services of Chas!
        THE PEOPLE DEMAND THE SERVICES OF CHAS!

  16. DICKERSON3870
    November 10, 2011, 5:18 pm

    RE: “Dennis Ross announces he is leaving the Obama administration in December” ~ Cap’n Weiss

    MY COMMENT: From the standpoint of Dennis Ross and the Likudniks, it is truly matter of “mission accomplished”. They have prevented yet another administration from achieving any progress towards a comprehensive settlement. They have ensured that the billions of U.S. taxpayers’ dollars will continue to flow from the U.S. to Israel.

    Their is little doubt that the U.S. will continue to exercise its veto in the UN Security Council at the behest of Israel. (It is in practice more Israel’s veto than the US’s.) Israel has been supplied by the U.S. with the latest bunker-buster bombs, and is now free to bomb Iran at will without “coordinating” it with the U.S. And most importantly, the illegal Israeli settlements (a/k/a “neighborhoods”) in East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank (a/k/a “disputed territory”) are growing like well-fertilized weeds.

    Job well done, Dennis Ross and AIPAC! AIPAC can now devote itself to playing both sides in the upcoming presidential election, after which they can help staff the victor’s administration.

    • seafoid
      November 10, 2011, 5:56 pm

      It is only mission accomplished if Israel is still around in 2050.
      And it doesn’t look likely.

      • DICKERSON3870
        November 13, 2011, 1:04 am

        AIPAC doesn’t do “long term”! They are hopelessly myopic.
        All their big contributors will be long gone by 2050. Ergo, AIPAC is obsessed with the short term to the detriment of the long term.

  17. tommy
    November 10, 2011, 5:27 pm

    I just read a comment from the NY Times article that said Ross quit because of the microphone gaff at the G20 meetings. I wonder if that is true.

    • lysias
      November 10, 2011, 6:53 pm

      Why would anybody blame Ross for that? (I sort of suspect Sarkozy did it on purpose.)

      • annie
        November 10, 2011, 8:51 pm

        they wouldn’t. it is to direct attention away from the real reason and dump more on O

      • tommy
        November 10, 2011, 9:27 pm

        The implication was Ross quit because of the president’s agreement with Sarkozy that Netanyahu was unbearable. Perhaps Ross resigned because of Zionist honor.

        • Antidote
          November 11, 2011, 8:08 pm

          “Perhaps Ross resigned because of Zionist honor.”

          That must be it :O

    • Ael
      November 10, 2011, 11:08 pm

      Much more likely that he got into an arm wrestle with the Pentagon over bombing Iran, and lost.

  18. ahhiyawa
    November 10, 2011, 6:04 pm

    More like Obama’s ‘block punt’ has figured out his usefulness to this administration is finished or been advised to leave. I don’t buy ‘I promised the family’ line of bull for a second. Its not an opportune time for a major mouth organ of the Zionist/Israeli cause to be taking a powder, and may represent something afoot within the Obama administration that Ross figures he can better combat outside of.

  19. shawket
    November 10, 2011, 7:10 pm

    Dennis Ross will be rejoining WINEP. Just got the announcement today. Didn’t waste anytime I guess going back to where he belongs with his other Zionist bigots fear mongering and drumming for war.

  20. Sin Nombre
    November 10, 2011, 7:13 pm

    The first thought that I had upon seeing Ross departing is that this might well be Israel’s message to those “in the know” in the U.S. Diaspora that it’s dumping Obama, or at least it wants them to dump him.

    Possibly triggered by Netanyahu being pissed off about that G20 microphone gaffe, with that only being a trigger that was coming anyway.

    You read the Israeli press and then the Israeli partisans here and they hate Obama. Ross leaving thus might well indeed be a message that Israel is through with him, although I suppose it also could be Ross leaving so as to essentially say to Israel “See see? I can’t stand the guy either, especially after those G20 remarks” and thus to preserve his cred with the Israeli Right.

    Either way, as someone above noted, this biz about “spending more time with his wife” is not just lame, but he knows it’s lame and thus knows it’s a signal.

    Besides, everyone knows he’s really married to Israel. (Just like everyone knows who he’s been screwing.)

    • annie
      November 10, 2011, 8:47 pm

      you do not think there is a possibility obama dumped him? that would explain the nyt running the ad it was over the G20, the lobby blaming obama when in actuality it was ross’s poor handling of the IAEA.

      • Sin Nombre
        November 11, 2011, 1:03 am

        annie wrote:

        “you do not think there is a possibility obama dumped him?”

        Can’t really see Obama doing this no matter the IAEA biz, which, after all, Obama may in fact welcome in that it can be cited to his Left wing critics as *justifying* his anti-Iranian talk.

        Moreover it would (rather spectacularly even) run directly contrary to literally everything Obama’s been doing lately which has been sucking up to the Lobby as obsequiously as possible.

        (And it would be rather spectacular: My distinct sense is that Obama and Clinton were essentially told by the Lobby—with Israel of course being behind it—that they had to take Ross as a condition of being “a friend.” Sort of like proving themselves to the Lobby by putting this obvious at-the-very-least Israeli agent of influence into power despite his obvious nature.)

        No, like I say, I suspect Ross left either essentially on orders from Israel/the Lobby in what amounts to a declaration of opposition to Obama’s reelection, or he left on his own to maintain his credibility with Israel/the Lobby. May well be that G20 incident was the trigger, but it was gonna be pulled at some point anyway.

        Really remarkable reading how much Obama is hated in Israel and by its partisans, and how openly they are rooting for him to lose the next election. The latter not least given its risk that he will win and will then remember their perfidy. On the other hand these hyper-concerned people know neither any discomfiture nor gratitude: They can spit in your face and you have no right to say anything. And nothing you do for them is really gonna be appreciated. It’s merely something you owed them anyway, and indeed wasn’t enough to boot.

        Like I say, really a remarkable sensibility that’s taken over in certain circles. I think this Caroline Glick woman who writes for the J-Post is about its clearest exemplar. Cosmic sense of Israeli/jewish self-importance, the obligations of everyone else towards Israel/the jews, the insignificance of everyone else’s interests …. You name it. Amazing people, you gotta wonder where all this comes from.

        • seafoid
          November 11, 2011, 6:07 am

          “Really remarkable reading how much Obama is hated in Israel and by its partisans, and how openly they are rooting for him to lose the next election”

          They think they can impose their reality on the world indefinitely. It’s what a highly militarised society does. The whole worldview is dysfunctional. Can they return to normality without a bloodbath ?

  21. MRW
    November 10, 2011, 7:38 pm

    Or, he plans to be in Israel in January to smell the napalm in the morning.

    Speaking of nuclear, tune into this moment starting at around 1 hr:46 minutes to listen to Dr. Christopher Busby:
    link to veteranstoday.com

    He says that two years ago, Israel did a study in Jerusalem published in a peer-reviewed journal that stated that there has been such a reduction in sperm count in young Israeli men that if this rate continues, by the year 2020 there will be no more Israelis. In the last 10 years, sperm count in Israeli men has declined by 40%. It was already 20% in decline, but increased in the last decade because of nuclear technology. Once sperm count is 20% of the total, you are considered effectively sterile.

    Dr. Christopher Busby is a visiting biomedical studies professor at the University of Ulster and is the co-author of reports about the effects of depleted uranium in Iraq especially in relation to Fallujah.

    What Busby found much to his surprise was not DU but enriched uranium instead, which supports the inference that new bombs are being used to commit war crimes in Iraq.

    So, bombs away, Israel. In the rest of the interview, Dr. Busby (he’s on for the last hour) discusses how you only have to live 100 miles close to a nuclear plant, or where they make nuclear bombs, to suffer these effects.

    • MRW
      November 10, 2011, 9:40 pm

      BTW, the first hour with Leuren Moret is chilling. It’s a must-listen-to.

      Leuren Moret is an independent geoscientist who has done expert studies on the Fukushima disaster, radiation problems around the world including depleted uranium.

    • Antidote
      November 11, 2011, 8:16 pm

      Darwin awards to Israel! Somehow this reminds me of that line in Spielberg’s Jurassic Park: “Nature has found a way”

  22. Shingo
    November 10, 2011, 8:49 pm

    The blog moonofalabama (what a kick ass blog!) is suggesting that Ross has been fired over the IAEA debacle.

    How priceless would that be if true!

  23. CTuttle
    November 10, 2011, 9:16 pm

    Don’t let the doorknob hit ya, where the good Lord split ya, Dennis…! ;-)

  24. Richard Witty
    November 10, 2011, 9:50 pm

    Again,

    This approach of attack the person rather than argue against the ideas is a failed one.

    • Donald
      November 11, 2011, 12:24 am

      So why do you always support people who attack critics of Israel, when you could be focusing on ideas and arguments and paying attention to facts that need to be faced even if they upset you?

    • Chaos4700
      November 11, 2011, 12:26 am

      And then Pavlov said…. “Hamas.” Your response, Witty?

  25. thankgodimatheist
    November 10, 2011, 11:46 pm

    Time to bring back a more integer character, Chas Freeman.

  26. Chaos4700
    November 11, 2011, 12:27 am

    So what, is hophmi supposed to be lawyer to Israel’s lawyer or something? I don’t think I’ve seen him rapid-fire an article like this in a few days, at least.

    • Charon
      November 11, 2011, 12:59 am

      No kidding, Chaos4700. Maybe he is Ross himself. If that’s the case… Hey hophmi/Ross, you wrote Obama’s UN speech, didn’t you? You also hijacked and derailed the peace process. You’ll get yours… Karma’s a bitch

      PS, you look a lot like Rupert Murdoch. You have the same lizard-like skin.

  27. kalithea
    November 11, 2011, 1:08 am

    And don’t let the door hitya, double agent!

  28. Taxi
    November 11, 2011, 1:47 am

    Somebody shoulda frisked Dennis before he left the White House in a huff!

    What, like you think he’s better than that thieving traitor Pollard? Or you think he’s got higher morals than that pathetic Sandy Burger who was caught stuffing classified files down his stinking zionist underpants?!
    link to en.wikipedia.org

  29. Taxi
    November 11, 2011, 2:23 am

    Here’s how I amusingly see it:
    After the straw that broke the camel’s back ie the Sarkozy/Obama/Natanyau is LIAR incident a couple of days ago, Denis, already fed up with Obama’s passive-aggressive dislike of Natanyahu, gave Obama an ultimatum dictated to him by tel aviv: ‘Make a public apology immediately and back it up with saying you’re strike Iran by christmas and we aipac aggheads will get Natanyahu’s blessing to GUARANTEE your second term. Mister President, I think this is the best way to go forward for both you and the guys in tel aviv.’

    Obama, fed up with Denis’s willful misdirection of the mideast peace process, the Iran policy and the Arab Spring – fed up with likudniks in israel calling him the ‘N’ word behind his back, rogued-out suddenly and played hardball and called Denis’ bluff. Well he had to play hardball as it’s the only ball the zionists left him after soooo many public kicks in the nuts!

    Yes there was a big shouting match you’d better believe it and Obama shouted louder this time round and promised that if the aipac public and private conspiracy to unseat him for the next term continues, then he would unleash his wrath on aipacers for the next 12 months and set them back 2o years in reputation and other sundry deals.

    ‘You eff me up in 2012 and I’ll out zionism at the next debating table, I’ll eff you all up and you know the damage to your reputation and standing in American political life will cost you billions and years to rectify’ – and I don’t care if I win or lose no more – no one’s gonna go round calling me the en word in my own house behind my back!’

    Then Obama called security to escort the speechless, perspiring Denis out the WH compound – while the zionist PR team in the White House freaked and scrammed to find the usual ‘Dennis is a committed family man’ garbage they pull out whenever someone is fired or otherwise is forced to resign due to a secret scandal.

    • patm
      November 11, 2011, 9:08 am

      ‘You eff me up in 2012 and I’ll out zionism at the next debating table, I’ll eff you all up and you know the damage to your reputation and standing in American political life will cost you billions and years to rectify’ – and I don’t care if I win or lose no more – no one’s gonna go round calling me the en word in my own house behind my back!’
      **
      Perhaps Obama will prove to be a manly man, perhaps he will “out zionism.”

      • Charon
        November 11, 2011, 10:33 pm

        Obama could out Zionism and expose the lobby/Congress in a way that doesn’t make him look guilty and I’ll bet he’s been figuring out how to do just that. I believed in Obama and voted for him, then felt like a fool when he turned out to be Bush 2.0. Now I have a feeling and am convinced that things are not as they seem to be. He is a lot smarter than I give him credit for and if it was up to him this would already have been resolved.

    • Sand
      November 11, 2011, 1:58 pm

      I Wish!

  30. Justice Please
    November 11, 2011, 5:24 am

    In all probability, his successor will not be Zbig Brzezinski or someone similar who would push the US national interest, rather the interest of Israeli land grabbers.

    And to think that American workers paid good money for the “services” of Ross is gross.

  31. ahhiyawa
    November 11, 2011, 7:32 am

    No president since Eisenhower over the Suez incident has successfully stood the Israelis down. Obama may be faulted for overestimating himself and his political support vis a vis Netanyahu in the fight over the settlements, but he can’t be faulted for trying. Ross was nothing more than a useful tool in damage control whose usefulness for whatever reason has ended.

    Because every president has to keep an eye on the next election Obama has been playing humble and sandbagging on the Israeli/Palestinian issue. He fully knows Zealous/Zionists will never forgive him and are psychotically committed to his electoral defeat. All it takes is visiting their websites to get clear on that fact.

    Should Obama win another term will tell whether he is a coward or an American president committed to the national & strategic interests of the United States. The visceral hatred of the Zealots leaves little doubt in my mind what they fear the most, an activist president who no longer has to face re-election and can cut himself free from a treacherous party base.

    That’s another reason the Israelis are going nuts banging the the swords and the shields. None know better than them the score a second term Obama will want to settle with them.

    • Antidote
      November 11, 2011, 5:36 pm

      “Because every president has to keep an eye on the next election Obama has been playing humble and sandbagging on the Israeli/Palestinian issue. He fully knows Zealous/Zionists will never forgive him and are psychotically committed to his electoral defeat. All it takes is visiting their websites to get clear on that fact.”

      I haven’t been on their websites but I would say, as a non-American observer, the enslavement of the POTUS by Israel/AIPAC/Congress in important matters of foreign policy has never been as obvious. The I/P conflict is not just some peripheral issue, and Obama has, absurdly, vetoed his own (and longstanding US) policy on the settlements in the UNSC, next to subsequent absurdities, while Bibi keeps building and building as if he hadn’t been told a million times by the US and the European friends of Israel that this is what wrecks the peace process and the 2SS.

      All things considered, one must give Obama credit for having almost brutally exposed the sheer impossibility of the State Dept/WH to deal with the issue effectively and along the lines of the officially stated goal (peace and a 2SS), and for significantly shifting the blame from Palestinian rejectionism and terrorism to Israeli intransigence and expansionism. Not by actually supporting the Palestinian side in words or actions, but by bending over backwards to support the Israeli/Likud side while looking like a fraud and wimp, but also signaling discomfort and frustration. I think that’s why the Zionists hate him, and why they are fuming with anger that has no outlet: they can’t complain about anything he’s actually done, but they despise the important shift in public/global perception, hence their irrational rantings.

      Is that a bad thing, or could one call it an accomplishment?

      So Foxman officially registered ‘disappointment’ (isn’t that the standard SD reaction to Bibi building more settlements?) about Obama agreeing with Sarkozy on Bibi’s lack of sincerity, and hopes Obama will do all it takes to regain Bibi’s trust. Has there been an uproar other than laughter? Is anyone other than Foxman alarmed? Has anyone else disagreed with Obama that Bibi is a pain? Maybe I missed it.

    • Charon
      November 11, 2011, 11:04 pm

      I believe Obama really did try. He has to play the cards he is dealt. The alternative media disagrees in favor of endorsing Paul, and I do like Paul but even he hired Zionist Bruce Fein as a legal advisor. One man can’t make a difference. The POTUS is a difficult position and I’m sure that there is a lot of pressure including blackmail or worse.

      When Obama gave the UN speech in September, I was shocked. Mostly because it was contradictory to his ME and Cairo speeches. But perhaps there was a reason for it. His mic comment proves he had not exactly changed his stance toward Netanyahu IMO.

      Obama sealed his fate during the ME speech when he said the following:

      “The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps”

      Not a single Zionist heard “with mutually agreed swaps”… not even when he verbatim repeated it at the AIPAC conference. All they heard was “1967″ and it might as well have been “death to Israel” in their minds. That’s why I still have a little faith in the man. Ford discovered that congress had been taken over by the Zionist lobby when they unanimously opposed his Israel re-assessment. Carter’s presidency was doomed because of the Camp David Accords (which led to Israel’s ‘borders’ being significantly shrunk). Reagan was a Zionist darling despite the Pollard thing (probably because he didn’t condemn them for the Lebanon war). Bush Sr. brought some awareness to the Zionist lobby’s manipulation of congress and threatened loan guarantees. Clinton started the ‘piece (of Palestine that Israel steals) process. Bush Jr. was another Zionist darling… except for when he put Ariel Sharon in a coma as payback for 9/11 (I keed! I keed!). Obama mentioned the dreaded ’1967′ despite even Bibi telling him not to prior to the speech. It doesn’t seem like much, but it’s a lot.

      • ToivoS
        November 12, 2011, 3:39 am

        Charon, I have to say your comments reflect much of what I believe. I too supported and voted for him (hell I donated $400 to his campaign). His Cairo speech was amazing but it was hard to see what was to follow. In 2009 when he called for a settlement freeze my first reaction was: I do hope he knows something I don’t because, if not, he is going to be hit with one major backlash from the Lobby. I was hoping that he would leave the whole IP issue alone unless he was willing to go ‘all in’. He obviously concluded much too late that this insignificant piece of real estate was not worth sacrificing his whole administration. In order to back down he was forced by the Lobby to humiliate himself before Netanyahu. Sad to witness, but that is the power of the Lobby. Hopefully the day will come when we can crush them once and for all.

        In any case that is now Obama’s legacy and I find it difficult to support him. Given the two party dynamics with the Republicans advocating war against Iran I do not see an alternative (at least I won’t give him any money this time).

  32. flyod
    November 11, 2011, 8:15 am

    how could this scoundrel ever have been an honest broker for peace when the conservative talmudist congregation he founded (with thomas friedman) outside bethesda, md (kol shalom) believes in the taking of the land little by little

    link to bible-history.com

    simply coincidence that ross and friedman (in his columns) placed the blame for the collapse of camp david on arafat?
    criminals

  33. upsidedownism
    November 11, 2011, 8:52 am

    don’t think the sarkozy microphone flop or the IAEA debacle are important enough issues to sack ross.

    ‘Bomb Iran or I quit’ sounds better, but far too dramatic for somebody like Ross.

    What would you want most, if you were a career diplomat like Ross? maybe a republican candidate offered Ross secretary of state in return for support in the election, or something like that.

    • Chaos4700
      November 11, 2011, 9:20 am

      I suppose people are overlooking the possibility that he was offered a job by a different government…

      • American
        November 11, 2011, 10:53 am

        Ross has been working for a different government the whole time he’s been in US government.
        And as typical the zioinst lobby made the American taxpayer pay him to serve Israel.

  34. Leper Colonialist
    November 11, 2011, 9:24 am

    Any chance that DR will give up the ghost, make himself a honest man, renounce his america citizenship and make aliyah to Israel?

    [I awake with a start] wow, that was some dream I just had! Yo see, Dennis Ross…

  35. American
    November 11, 2011, 10:49 am

    From Col Pat Lang

    ‘Ross made it very clear a few years ago when he accepted chairmanship of some Zionist board in Jerusalem that he was doing it because he had to serve “his people,” the Jews. Well, if that is the case why has he been allowed to dictate the terms of American policy in areas in which the interests of “his people” were engaged? Has this not been a conflict of interest?

    I first knew this character in the ’80s when he and HT were a dynamic duo in the NSC staff. This was during the Iran-Iraq War. IMO, the two of them, in their US government capacities relentlessly sought to advance the interests of Israel’s covert ally, Iran. it seemed quite obvious at the time. Israel was busily engaged in those days in finding spare parts for US manufactured Iranian equipment. The Israeli desire to do that eventually led to US sales to Iran in the Iran-Contra Affair.

    Where will Dennis go now? Will he go to his real home by the eastern Mediterrranean? I doubt it.

    Why is he leaving? He lost the argument to Panetta, the JCS and IC. pl”

    From Jim Lobe:

    ‘While adept at keeping a low profile, Ross has focused in particular on U.S. policy toward Iran, about which he has long-held hawkish views, and on Israel-Arab relations, especially the U.S.-led Israel- Palestinian “peace process” which appears to have reached a dead end under his supervision.

    Indeed, Palestinian leaders, who have often referred to Ross as “Israel’s lawyer”, have refused to meet with him formally since shortly after the resignation of Obama’s first special envoy for the Middle East, Sen. George Mitchell, last May.

    link to ipsnews.net

    “Dennis Ross is returning to the outpost of the Israel Lobby whence he came, leaving a diplomatic shambles behind him,” according to Amb. Chas Freeman (ret.), former head of the Middle East Policy Council here.

    “None of the issues in his charge prospered during his tenure, which saw the collapse of any pretence of a peace process between Israel and the Arabs, a deepening of the Iranian conviction that a nuclear deterrent is necessary to deter Israeli or American attack, and the collapse of American prestige and influence among the Arabs and in the Islamic world more generally,” he wrote in an email exchange with IPS.’

    • seanmcbride
      November 11, 2011, 11:31 am

      Nice, substantive comment, nailed down with well-documented facts about the lamentable Dennis Ross, who has been a Likud mole inside the American government all along. The damage he has done to American interests is incalculable.

      • James
        November 11, 2011, 1:55 pm

        ditto.. thanks american…

      • Potsherd2
        November 12, 2011, 9:08 am

        Ross couldn’t have done this damage if he hadn’t been put in place to do so by Zionist-corrupted presidents like Clinton and Obama.

        “You knew what I was when you picked me up.”

    • Charon
      November 11, 2011, 11:19 pm

      I wonder what goes on behind the scenes with Israel and Iran other than arms sales (which is bad enough). Israel more or less pressured Iran to attack their nuclear reactor after diplomatic ties between the two had already been cutoff. Moshe Katsav and Mohammad Khatami shook hands and spoke at Pop John Paul II’s funeral. Ahmadinejad himself is technically Jewish and the holocaust denial stuff (among other things) seems to be a little out there for a nation’s leader to be saying. It is as if he deliberately generates controversy.

      • DBG
        November 12, 2011, 1:04 am

        OMG! Ahmadinejad is Jewish!

      • RoHa
        November 12, 2011, 1:49 am

        “Ahmadinejad himself is technically Jewish ”

        ???????????????????????????????????????

        • Bumblebye
          November 12, 2011, 4:43 am

          Calm down dear!
          It’s a common accusation lobbed at political boogeymen, from Hitler to Gadaffi a few weeks ago. Can’t remember where I read it unfortunately, but it made me laugh. I’m expecting Assad to be ‘outed’ shortly!

        • Shmuel
          November 12, 2011, 5:13 am

          And Obama’s a Muslim and Shimon Peres is an Arab. Oh, Bin Laden was Jewish too, along with half the Saudi royal family (not sure about the other half). I’ve even heard that Jesus was Jewish, but only on his mother’s side.

        • LeaNder
          November 12, 2011, 7:25 am

          I’ve even heard that Jesus was Jewish, but only on his mother’s side.

          Do I read this correctly as irony? Well, yes he was Jewish, maybe as a mamzer not quite a respectable member of the tribe, but berith or no berith still a child of a Jewish mother. I would also like to add, he was hardly responsible for the martyrdom and death celebration achieved by his followers. Which some consider as a variation of the Akedah.

        • Shmuel
          November 12, 2011, 8:03 am

          Do I read this correctly as irony?

          Absolutely.

      • LeaNder
        November 12, 2011, 7:20 am

        Charon, this reminds me of a conspiracy theory I once encountered on the web. We of course had the Qaddafi is Jewish story not long ago, but Ahmedinejad? Maybe you could elaborate.

  36. seanmcbride
    November 11, 2011, 1:22 pm

    Neoconservatives and neoliberals: two peas in a pod, near synonyms:

    Here is Ann Lewis, a neoliberal, a highly influential member of the Democratic Party leadership (and the sister of Barney Frank):

    “The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel. It is not up to us to pick and choose from among the political parties.”

    Here is Mitt Romney, someone who is totally under the thumb of his neoconservative advisers (many of them PNAC alumni):

    “The actions that I will take will be actions recommended and supported by Israeli leaders. I don’t seek to take actions independent of what our allies think is best, and if Israel’s leaders thought that a move of that nature would be helpful to their efforts, then that’s something I’ll be inclined to do. But again, that’s a decision which I would look to the Israeli leadership to help guide. I don’t think America should play the role of the leader of the peace process, instead we should stand by our ally.”

    Both Ann Lewis (the neoliberal Democrat) and Mitt Romney (the neoconservative Republican) support exerting massive pressure (including military force) to protect and advance American interests around the world except in a single case: Israel. They both advocate subordinating American interests to the will and whims of the Israeli government, regardless of the destructive consequences for Americans.

    • teta mother me
      November 11, 2011, 2:39 pm

      Robert Kagan is on Mitt Romney’s foreign policy advisory team.

      Yesterday, Kagan on NPR’s Talk of the Nation answered Neil Conan’s question, apropos of [jiggered] IAEA report on Iran’s quest to develop nuclear weapons, “What is the least bad option to deal with Iran?”

      Kagan’s answer: the least bad option may in fact, at the end of the day, be some kind of military action undertaken, I would say preferably by the United States, not by Israel.

      heh, what are special friend for?

      • ahhiyawa
        November 11, 2011, 3:54 pm

        “…KAGAN: You know, all the options are bad….”

        As usual, Kagan is spectacularly wrong again. The best option is not to start a war in the first place.

        In any case, should Romney actually support unilateral aggression against Iran, “at the end of the day” he may as well pack his bags and go home.

        In the absence of an overt attack that can be without equivocation and zero doubt laid at Tehran’s doorstep, American’s are sick and tired of making wars of choice.

      • piotr
        November 13, 2011, 7:24 am

        Kagan is quite incoherent.

        He of says that we must protect our allies and the danger is that our allies — Saudis — will get nukes too. Soo — isn’t it problem solved?

        Then the other calamity is that regimes get nukes because they are afraid that we will try to remove them by force — the main motivation. (Which is presumably bad, because we want to remove them by force.)

        Then there is a problem of possibility of “huge spike in oil prices”. He kind of sights, “yeah…”

        Thus “some kind of military action” means “we will be much more aggressive on the issue that the pussilanimous Administration, but I can’t tell you how, perhaps we will make a glorious sailing trip by our Navy to let them fear”. He works for his boss, Romney, he is supposed to be incoherent.

        • seanmcbride
          November 13, 2011, 9:34 am

          Some key Robert Kagan associations:

          1. 9/11 exploitation 2. AEI (American Enterprise Institute) 3. Afghanistan War 4. Afpak War 5. Bilderberg Group 6. Clash of Civilizations 7. Commentary 8. Dan Senor 9. Dick Cheney 10. Donald Kagan 11. FPI (Foreign Policy Initiative) 12. Fred Kagan 13. Global War on Terror 14. Henry Jackson Society 15. Iran War ringleaders 16. Iraq War ringleaders 17. Iraq War surge 18. Israel 19. Israel lobby 20. Israeli ops 21. Jeffrey Gedmin 22. Jewish activists 23. Jewish lobby 24. Jewish neoconservatives 25. John McCain 26. Kimberly Kagan 27. Likud Zionists 28. Mitt Romney 29. neoconservatives 30. New Pearl Harbor 31. New Republic 32. PNAC (Project for the New American Century) 33. pro-Israel activists 34. Rupert Murdoch 35. Skull and Bones 36. torture 37. Victoria Nuland 38. Washington Post 39. Weekly Standard 40. William Kristol

          And, hophmi, be sure to point out any specific problems you have with this list — you seem to have dropped out of the discussion about Dennis Ross’s associations and profile in midstream, leaving my last points unanswered. Which particular facts do you dispute.

        • seanmcbride
          November 13, 2011, 9:45 am

          A few additions to Robert Kagan’s key associations:

          1. American University 2. Brookings Institution 3. Carnegie Endowment for International Peace 4. CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) 5. Foreign Affairs 6. George Shultz 7. Georgetown University 8. Harvard University 9. Jack Kemp 10. John F. Kennedy School of Government 11. New York Times 12. Wall Street Journal 13. Yale Political Monthly 14. Yale University

  37. patm
    November 11, 2011, 3:04 pm

    AN APPEAL TO UNITED STATES AND ISRAELI AIR, MISSILE AND DRONE CREWS TO STAND DOWN FROM ORDERS TO ATTACK IRAN

    November 2011 — Add Your Name! link to warisacrime.org

    “We are at an historic moment when decisions are being made in the United States and Israel on whether and when to attack Iran.

    These will be decisions by politicians and individual commanders and air, missile and drone crewmembers charged with the responsibility of raining down munitions in a strike that will likely kill hundreds if not thousands of Iranian people and potentially spread deadly nuclear contamination to millions in Iran and surrounding nations.

    Beyond this, an attack on Iran will almost certainly bring retaliation that will result in even more human casualties and will disrupt global oil shipments, with severe human consequences around the world.

    An attack against Iran by the United States and Israel will violate morality, international and domestic law and the interests of humanity. Additionally, both Iran and the United States are parties to the Kellogg-Briand Pact which forbids the use of war.

    There are those of us signing this appeal who have been members of the United States and other armed forces and understand very well the difficulty of refusing to follow an order to attack. At the same time, each of us has the responsibility to preserve human life and nature in the face of inhumane and illegal orders, a responsibility defined by the Nuremberg Conventions.

    We urge all of you who may be called upon to attack Iran from the air, and indeed all military personnel who may be engaged in any kind of attack on Iran, to refuse to do so.”

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