Voice in wilderness, Ron Paul calls for friendship with Iran

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On television today Ron Paul said that friendship with Iran is the answer.

The Texas congressman says fears about Iran’s nuclear program have been “blown out of proportion.” He says tough penalties are a mistake because, as he says was the case in Iraq, they only hurt the local population and still paved a path to war.

When asked on “Fox News Sunday” what he would do to deter Iran’s alleged nuclear ambitions, Paul said “maybe offering friendship to them.”

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  1. lobewyper
    November 6, 2011, 4:36 pm

    I see whose campaign the Lobby is going to fund massively–NOT!

    • Theo
      November 7, 2011, 8:48 am

      He has absolutly no chance to gain the seat in the WH, so he has nothing to lose!
      However, by swimming against the tide, he will be in the press and TV more often, raising his national recognisation., thus guaranteeing his congessional seat.
      I certainly wish we had a strong and vital third party to vote for, however I just cannot understand this Ron Paul mania, he is not the type who can form such a party and lead it to success.
      We need another John Kennedy or, please do not shoot me, an Obama with character and guts. Ron Paul is shallow, has no elan and is not the type one can look at and admire for a skill.

      • Theo
        November 7, 2011, 8:52 am

        Please do not understand me, Ron Paul is doing what he can and it is admirable, but he is not designed to be a leader of a revolutionary movement, needed to change this country.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 7, 2011, 9:18 am

        So then, who is?? Give me the name.
        I mean ,I do not believe that ANY decent human being, alone, can break the ring of gangsters that are occupying the highest global, positions. It is a mafia ring, and it took them many, many years to achieve that. Now they hold the grip on our throats and basically do whatever they want.
        And general public is too confused, too brainwashed, too divided, too indifferent , too ignorant ,to be an effective “wind of change”.

      • Theo
        November 7, 2011, 12:56 pm

        Give me the opportunity and FULL POWER and I will do it!
        However, with the system we have it will take a better man to be able to make any progress.
        I personally would like to have the opportunity to have the present senate, congress, government hanged.
        Next day all presidents going back to papa Bush, selected senators and congressmen/women.
        After that I would issue saving rings made out of led to all members of AIPAC, ADL, etc. and make them swim to Israel, hoping they make it.
        I must think what would I do on the fourth day.

      • Theo
        November 7, 2011, 12:58 pm

        Heck, I almost forgot Dershy, my favourit e-mail partner.
        He gets two ring.

  2. James
    November 6, 2011, 4:54 pm

    strange concept for the us congress, i am sure… even that nobel peace prize dude will be scratching his head, and it won’t be due any flees from the doodle dog either..

    just think of all the money the mic and wall st. will miss with a policy like this! they might have to think up something else to do like go back to playing monopoly or some other such board game…

    kudos to ron paul for suggesting this.. it is a refreshing news flash!

  3. dumvitaestspesest
    November 6, 2011, 5:00 pm

    :)) Bravo for Ron Paul. One of the few leftover ,decent politicians.
    Unfortunately , “offering friendship to Iran” will not bring all those lunatic warmongers big bucks as planned, and a big power as planned.
    They, like leeches ,need fresh blood to suck and grow on it.
    Friendship is a word that does not exists in their vocabulary.
    You are their “friend” as long as you do, what you are told, or you are more powerful than them.

    • Dan Crowther
      November 7, 2011, 4:26 pm



      Le Pen’s staff had announced meetings with Texas Rep. Ron Paul, a Republican, and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, a liberal Democrat, but a spokesman for Kucinich said the specifics of a meeting were not agreed to and that Kucinich would not meet with her Wednesday. A spokeswoman for Paul, who is running for the Republican nomination for president, said the congressman had a brief private meeting with Le Pen where they discussed monetary policy and the gold standard.

      Yup, nothing to see here, move along, move along

      • Potsherd2
        November 7, 2011, 4:50 pm

        Ron Paul is reprehensible in many ways. His views on abortion, for one thing, are not only illiberal but anti-libertarian.

        For some reason, most political commenters can’t conceive of holding a position that isn’t absolutist. If they support Paul on Issue A, they assume they have to support him on Issues B – F. And vice the verse.

      • Dan Crowther
        November 7, 2011, 5:05 pm

        I do agree with some of Paul’s “stated” views – but I will admit to conspiratorial view of the guy. I dont find myself sharing alot of values with 70 year old southern white men, so when they start taking about “liberty” and “freedom” – I generally yawn, laugh, or yell ” BULLSHIT”

      • lysias
        November 7, 2011, 5:07 pm

        As far as I know, Ron Paul’s position on abortion is that he wants the matter returned to the states. (I.e., he disapproves of the Roe v. Wade decision). Just how is this view reprehensible? When I was studying law at Yale Law School in the earlyt 1990’s, I had the impression that most people regarded Roe v. Wade as an extremely slapdash, unconvincingly argued decision.

      • Woody Tanaka
        November 7, 2011, 5:32 pm

        “As far as I know, Ron Paul’s position on abortion is that he wants the matter returned to the states. (I.e., he disapproves of the Roe v. Wade decision). Just how is this view reprehensible?”

        I would suggest that this view is reprehensible because there are many states which do not recognize a woman’s right to choose as a fundamental human right. It would be the equal of letting Alabama and Mississippi decide for themselves what the Establishment Clause means.

        Put it this way: when it comes to civil and human rights, everyone has the right to the maximum protection, regardless of the liberalness or conservativeness of the state in which they find themselves. So permitting individual locales to limit those rights and liberties can only have an anti-liberal tendency. It is an inherenly negative ratchet.

        “When I was studying law at Yale Law School in the earlyt 1990′s, I had the impression that most people regarded Roe v. Wade as an extremely slapdash, unconvincingly argued decision.”

        The decision isn’t entirely well written, but the holding is well founded. IN my opinion.

  4. justicewillprevail
    November 6, 2011, 5:24 pm

    Good call, Iranian people are very welcoming and friendly (unlike a lot of Israelis I can think of). Shock, horror, there is nothing to fear. Iran was actually sympathetic to the US after 9/11 and offered to assist the US over Afghanistan.

  5. Citizen
    November 6, 2011, 5:59 pm

    Ron Paul is the only candidate with extensive historical knowledge of the ME, and the only one with a sane foreign policy, but he’s dismissed in bipartisan fashion–except by 2/3rd of the post-9/11 Military grunts who feel our wars in ME were a mistake and actually breed more terrorism. They should know.

    Meanwhile, our Zionist fiefdom, the House Foreign Affairs Committee is pushing a ban on all diplomatic efforts with Iran, back door or front door. They want to deprive our commander in chief of his executive power to work against bombing Iran back into the stone age.

    • lobewyper
      November 6, 2011, 6:31 pm

      What’s “historical knowledge?”

      • Antidote
        November 6, 2011, 8:02 pm

        Not confusing China with Iran? Knowing that China has had nukes for the past 50 yrs? Cain’s Palin moment:


      • Potsherd2
        November 7, 2011, 9:44 am

        It might be knowing how the US/UK subverted and destroyed democratic government in Iran and installed a vicious dictatorship in order to steal their oil.

      • Am_America
        November 7, 2011, 10:30 am

        can we stay in this century please?

      • Chaos4700
        November 7, 2011, 10:37 am

        “Forget the Holocaust.” Is that what you’re suggesting, AM_Radio?

      • Potsherd2
        November 7, 2011, 10:38 am

        For “historical knowledge?”

      • Antidote
        November 9, 2011, 5:41 pm

        AM “can we stay in this century please?” – Chaos “Forget the Holocaust?”

        not to mention 2000 yrs of persecution and the historical/biblical claims to the Jewish homeland. Whatever works at any given point in an argument. Never mind consistency. It’s called sophistry

    • Am_America
      November 7, 2011, 10:32 am

      2/3rd of our Veterans of Afghanistan/Iraq believe it was a mistake and breeds more terrorism? that is a flat out fabrication.

    • lysias
      November 7, 2011, 11:48 am

      Ron Paul is also one of the only two candidates who has military experience. He served as a flight surgeon for the Air Force during the Vietnam era.

      The other candidate with military experience, I regret to say, is idiot Perry, who was an Air Force transport plane pilot for a while.

  6. Kathleen
    November 6, 2011, 7:18 pm

    “No higher honor” Christiane Amanpout promoting the war criminal Condi “mushroom cloud” Rice just as Jon Stewart did recently.

    Mushroom Cloud Rice promoting a confrontation with Iran on “This Week” at 37:00.

    Rice should be on trial at the Hague not on the Daily Show and This Week.

    • Kathleen
      November 6, 2011, 7:25 pm

      Mushroom cloud Rice on Iran “”trying to get a nuclear weapon”
      “do everything we can do to take Iran down”

      She is a war criminal drowning in the Iraqi and Americans soldiers blood.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 7, 2011, 9:09 am

        She is a total idiot. Why is she even allowed to make public opinions? Another useless puppet ,holding a high position and paid very well by a brainwashed public.

  7. Whizdom
    November 6, 2011, 7:18 pm

    Israel would be horrified with any US/Iran detente. That was the crux of the Larry Franklin, Rosen, Weissmann espionage debacle. Israel aspires to be the regional big dog.

    • Kathleen
      November 7, 2011, 9:17 am

      According to the Leveretts the one US administration after the next has refused to directly engage with Iran. Lower level officials have communicated but not the big big shots.

      I have always found it intriguing that John Bolton and the NSA team allegedly were wiretapping Colin Powels negotiations some of them allegedly with Iran. Will never forget Boltons UN nomination hearing. At the time Senator Biden demanded the NSA intercepts that allegedly had to deal with the NSA’s supposed wiretapping of Powell. As the C Span cameras moved from Senator Biden’s face to Senator’s Kerry, Lncoln Chaffee, Boxer, Voinovich, Kennedy..I have never seen such worried pissed off looks. I really thought they were going to jump over the table ans collectively try to beat John Boltons smug ass.
      Sidney Blumenthal wrote about the Powell/Bolton feud in the Guardian.
      The good soldier’s revenge

      In Colin Powell’s battle to block Bush’s nominee to the UN, far more is at stake than John Bolton’s unsuitability
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      The good soldier’s revenge

      In Colin Powell’s battle to block Bush’s nominee to the UN, far more is at stake than John Bolton’s unsuitability

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      Sidney Blumenthal
      Sidney Blumenthal
      The Guardian, Wednesday 27 April 2005 19.03 EDT
      Article history

      From the redoubt of his retirement, former secretary of state Colin Powell is beginning to exact revenge. His sterling reputation was soiled, having lost most of the important battles within the administration during the first term. While he lamented that he had been “deceived” into presenting false information before the United Nations to justify the Iraq war, he acted as the good soldier to the end, giving every sign of desiring to fade away.

      But now he has re-emerged to conduct a campaign to defeat President Bush’s nomination of conservative hardliner and former undersecretary of state John Bolton as US ambassador to the UN.

      In seeking to prevent the bullying and duplicitous ideologue from representing the US before the international organisation, Powell is engaging in hand-to-hand combat with his successor. Secretary of state Condoleezza Rice’s first true test has not arrived from abroad. Caught by Powell’s flanking movement, she is trapped in a crisis of credibility, which she herself is deepening.

      Powell’s closest associate, his former deputy Richard Armitage, is orchestrating much of the action. Wavering senators are directed to call Powell, who briefs them on Bolton’s demerits. Powell’s former chief of staff, Lawrence B Wilkerson, has surfaced to give an interview to the New York Times, declaring that Bolton would be “an abysmal ambassador”.

      Other former foreign-service officers have queued up to provide ever uglier details of Bolton’s career as a “serial abuser” and “a quintessential kiss-up, kick-down sort of guy”, as Carl W Ford Jr, the former director of intelligence at the state department, described him before the Senate foreign relations committee.

      Rice’s response to the seemingly endless stream of witnesses has been to order state department senior staff to stanch the flow of adverse stories.

      “This whole building knows how Bolton dealt with people,” a dismayed senior state department official told me. “If she is sending a different signal than Powell sent that will be difficult. The muzzle is being put on, the damage is being done. To the extent it’s buttoned up here, it’s dangerous for the secretary. Powell and Armitage created an environment of accountability about treatment of the staff. Any kind of allegation that you did things like Bolton did was death in the foreign service. Persons were removed. Now she’s trying to be a team player, trying to support someone Powell ostracised.”

      Indeed, last year Powell and Rice had a confrontation over an allegation that a national security council officer close to Rice, Robert Blackwill, had physically assaulted a female foreign-service officer. Initially, Rice tried to protect him, but Powell and Armitage presented the evidence to her and told her that if she didn’t discipline Blackwill the matter would be made public. Blackwill was forced to resign.

      And after Bolton attempted to coerce a state department intelligence officer to agree to an unfounded report about nonexistent Cuban WMD, Powell personally assembled the entire intelligence staff to instruct them to ignore Bolton. When the British foreign secretary Jack Straw complained to Powell that Bolton was obstructing negotiations with Iran on the development of nuclear weapons, Powell ordered Bolton to be cut out of the process, telling an aide: “Get a different view.” The British also objected to Bolton’s interference in talks with Libya, and again Powell removed Bolton. But as much as he may have wanted to, Powell could not dismiss him because of his powerful patron: Vice-President Cheney.

      The Bolton confirmation hearings have revealed his constant efforts to undermine Powell on Iran and Iraq, Syria and North Korea. They have also exposed a most curious incident that has triggered the administration’s stonewall reflex. The foreign relations committee has discovered that Bolton made a highly unusual request and gained access to 10 intercepts by the National Security Agency, which monitors worldwide communications, of conversations involving past and present government officials. Whose conversations did Bolton secretly secure and why?

      Staff members on the committee believe that Bolton was probably spying on Powell, his senior advisers and other officials reporting to him on diplomatic initiatives that Bolton opposed. If so, it is also possible that Bolton was sharing this top-secret information with his neoconservative allies within the Pentagon and the vice-president’s office, with whom he was in daily contact and who were known to be working in league against Powell.

      If the intercepts are released they may disclose whether Bolton was a key figure in a counter-intelligence operation run inside the Bush administration against the secretary of state, who would resemble the hunted character played by Will Smith in Enemy of the State. Both Republican and Democratic senators have demanded that the state department, which holds the NSA intercepts, turn them over to the committee. But Rice so far has refused. What is she hiding by her coverup ”


      Condi “mushroom cloud” Rice is also ripped up in this article. It was allegedly her decision not to release the NSA intercepts. Was Rice involved with the spying on Powell? This is another question that Jon Stewart (and don’t give me that shit that he is a comedian, why have people on like “mushroom cloud” just to promote her newest spin on her part in the deception) or Christiane Amanpour could ask Rice when they have her on promoting her new book.

  8. Kathleen
    November 6, 2011, 7:39 pm

    Flynt Leverett on Al Jazeera

    Flynt “the administration is under enormous pressure from congress from pro Israel constituencies here to do something more and that is very much focused on sanctioning the central bank because that basically means that no one can buy Iranian oil.”

    Flynt goes on to call the claim that Iranian officials were involved with the alleged attempt to kill the Saudi Ambassador a “concocted plot”

    • pabelmont
      November 7, 2011, 12:04 pm

      I love the idea of the USA forcing Iran to seek and accept a monetary unit for oil other than USD. There’s Iran, selling oil to China for Yuan (RMB). And looking good! And price of dollar-priced oil going up, perhaps. and other oil producers seeing the sense of demanding Yuan.

      A great triumph for the knee-jerk pro-Israel jerks.

  9. Chaos4700
    November 6, 2011, 7:54 pm

    Ron Paul. Actual change. No “belief” necessary.

  10. dumvitaestspesest
    November 6, 2011, 8:01 pm

    How true. We’ ve become the slaves of our system, laws, regulations.
    Slaves with the voices, that do not really count.
    And our “chiefs” do not really represent the interest of “our” tribe.
    Our “chiefs” represent their own “chiefly” ,shady, murky business.

    “The more I consider the condition of the white men, the more fixed becomes my opinion that, instead of gaining, they have lost much subjecting themselves to what they call the laws and regulations of civilized societies.”
    Tomochichi – Creek Chief

  11. ToivoS
    November 6, 2011, 8:38 pm

    There is something very depressing in this story. Without question, Ron Paul is an antii-interventionist/ antiwar candidate. Last time he ran I almost changed my party registration to vote for him (alas, his economic theories sort of sapped my enthusiasm). But inside the Republican Party those economic theories have resonance.

    I was hoping that he would move up in the polls on the basis of his anti-interventionist positions. Unfortunately, he seems stuck at about 12% in the polls. This tells me that 88% of Republicans remain wedded to the war party. Listening to Romney, Perry, Cain and the lessor candidates they are obviously listening to the polls. Without question, it does seem that there is no anti war faction of significance inside the Republican Party.

    Obviously stating the obvious there is no significant anti-war faction inside the Democratic Party either. Both parties compete for pro-war and pro-Zionist sentiments and those of us who seek an alternative are politically irrelevant, at least in the electoral arena.

    • James
      November 6, 2011, 10:00 pm

      quote “Unfortunately, he seems stuck at about 12% in the polls. This tells me…”

      it ought to tell you the polls are for suckers and there are plenty of suckers to be duped into believing what polls have to say, paid for and bought by……………………………………..

      ever wonder who pays for the polls and just what the questions are that go into them, or which polls gets released as opposed to remaining unreleased? polls are a manipulative tool par excellence, that is why they are so popular!

      • ToivoS
        November 6, 2011, 11:42 pm

        James I do wish you are right. Unfortunately I think the majority of the American people are still in the pro war mode. At one level they oppose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan now that it is clear that we are losing, but then at another level they support more war. Maybe, they think even if we lost the last two wars then maybe we could succeed against Iran.

        Sorry, this is just too negative. There has to be a better way.

      • American
        November 7, 2011, 8:28 am

        “Unfortunately I think the majority of the American people are still in the pro war mode.”

        Unfortunately…..I think you may be right. If not the majority then at least some segment.
        I am listening to c-span this am and the majority of callers are calling in about Iran and Israel. The ignorance and stupidy of these people is astounding. …from what they are saying and their lack of good english they sound like some red neck high school drop out evangelicals or red neck republicans. All of them were on the same song sheet……Obama is withdrawing from Iraq ( and of course they have no idea that Bush II signed the agreement with Iraq for us to get out in 2012.) Obama has stolen our freedom. Israel shouldn’t have to attack Iran , the US should do it. The wildest, most ignorant things I have heard on c-span, usually their callers are more educated and informed than this.
        They sound like a group of rethugs or zio christians that were given talking points and told to get on c-span. Another interesting thing is every single ‘bomb Iran to save Israel’ caller had the kind of southern accent you hear among the lower uneducated class around the rural south.
        Oddly enough there wasn’t a single caller who got thru that was against attacking Iran or sounded like they listened to anything but Fox or one of the bomb Iran repub candidates.
        Very bizarre. I hope it was a small group on a mission to get on c-span. If not ,and the US public is this stupid we are toast.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 7, 2011, 8:44 am

        Maybe it was a “southern” chapter of hasbara at work??
        Although the public, in general, is pretty stupid.
        Unfortunately, it was, it is ,and it will be.
        That’s why, I do not consider ,”democracy” the greatest achivement of all. People are very easily brainwashed.

      • American
        November 7, 2011, 10:36 am

        No I don’t think it was the zio activist this time….they sounded like the far right and/or christian Zealots….I mean really crazy sounding, literally screaming about attacking Iran.
        One guy was so hyperventilated his screeching he had to keep gulping breaths to keep on.
        This had to have been some coordinated call in effort by some group….they were totally pumped up on ‘hate’….for Obama and Iran….like hate on steriods.

      • teta mother me
        November 7, 2011, 1:34 pm

        I’m absolutely 100% certain it was just a coincidence that C Span started off this week and this day, Nov. 7, with news –based on “journalistic reports” that “Iran was 90% ready” and had the “capacity and intent” to produce nuclear weapons.

        The actual report is not scheduled for release until Nov. 9.

        But as Mondoweiss posted on Oct 26, Bronner to Appear with Perle and Bolton on Iran Scare Panel Hosted by Islamophobic Shop Clarion Fund on Nov 7

        just a coincidink.

        Just a coincidence that the very group of neocons and Jewish-dominated Islamophobes, who are financially supported by Aubrey Chernick, the same Jewish multimillionaire who supports CAMERA, Robert Spencer, and Pam Geller, who in turn served as inspiration for Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik, just a coincidence that the meeting that will be held at the 92nd Street Y, and video-beamed to twenty (20) Jewish synagogues, temples, and/or community centers and almost half-a-dozen other venues from California to Florida, from Georgia to Pennsylvania, today, Nov. 7.

        Coincidental coordination with C Span programming.

        Do not underestimate the impact of the chilling effect CAMERA imposes on C Span producers and moderators.

        If you have the time and opportunity, try to respond to the Perle-Bolton-Bronner cabal at one of the two dozen venues where it will be presented — http://mondoweiss.net/2011/10/bronner-lets-his-hair-down-will-appear-w-perle-and-bolton-on-iran-scare-panel-hosted-by-islamophobic-shop.html#comment-381607

        non est illigitimi carborundum!

      • annie
        November 7, 2011, 1:52 pm

        it is definitely a coordinated campaign designed to flood the airwaves w/iran fear prior to the IAEA report coming out. without a doubt. then the report will be in position to ‘compete’ w/the narrative coming from the bomb iran crowd.

      • Am_America
        November 7, 2011, 2:01 pm

        I thought you said the report wasn’t going to reveal anything annie, because it was reported by ‘diplomats’ are you getting ready to eat crow?

  12. dumvitaestspesest
    November 6, 2011, 9:11 pm

    In so called “mean”time, it looks like the “4th Reich in making”, starts falling apart, before it is even officially finished.
    Once happy, now very depressed ,Euroland (a.k.a Eurogulag) starts bickering, arguing, and calling each other names. It looks like the times of happy, friendly, smiling Europe are over.
    Greeks call Germans the forbidden name “Nazi”, Golden lady Angela called Greeks, “lazy and useless”. Greeks officially burn the Euro flag, a Duet Merkel-Sarkozy says that: “Europe is losing its patience with Greeks”.
    Dark clouds are gathering over Europe.

  13. kalithea
    November 6, 2011, 9:18 pm

    If it weren’t for Zionist influence, which also leads to aggressive U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, Iran would be treated like the already confirmed nuclear powers, China and Russia, with slight varying degrees of skepticism, mistrust and criticism.

    Zionists need to demonize Iran in deafening, screeching crescendo to cover their own crimes of illegal occupation and expansion. So the distraction must be that MASSIVE, never mind that it puts the rest of the world in peril. Zionists care ONLY for their own tribe and will use anyone and anything to get their way. They are the true “masters of deception”. They must have obsessive control over the narrative and will decimate and trounce anyone who tries to loosen their grip on the message or expose their over-reaching influence over Middle East policy. They have become the shadow over the shoulder of power protecting their shaded truth.

    We actually need mavericky voices blurting out the outrageous and shaming, taunting, infuriating and offending Zionists to shake free the captive mindset they’ve created. Holding back will enable dangerous policy, the status quo, censorship and the disintegration of democracy. The greatest threat to Zionism isn’t Iran; it’s DEMOCRACY.

  14. split
    November 6, 2011, 9:44 pm

    The only candidate that said thanks but no thanks to as* kissing trip to Israel.

  15. dumvitaestspesest
    November 6, 2011, 10:09 pm

    very good video for those who are interested in what is going on in Euroland.
    Mayday, mayday.

    • Theo
      November 7, 2011, 9:16 am

      The EU, and the USA have exactly the same problems, they all lived over their means! However the parallel stops right there.

      The citizens of the EU, certainly not all, but a great part, have a fat polster of savings and even fatter social services. Cutting back on all unnecessary services and going to the pigy bank, they can survive, again not all, but the most.
      On the other hand, the debt of the USA is just as high as the EU, has no real social services to cut back and save money, and its citizens have absolutly no savings, but are just as in debt as the country is.
      The only possibility is to stop those wars and have HUGE savings will certainly be torpedoed by the zionist groups, as Israel needs strong US military help, and by the military/industrial complex, as they are not about to forfeit on their gains.
      Does anyone see a president and a congress that have guts to master this difficult task? I certainly not!

      • Citizen
        November 7, 2011, 2:16 pm

        You’re correct, Theo. I see more cuts in the social welfare net coming than cuts in our war industry & interventionist policy. A number of US regime spokesman have recently expressly said there will be no cuts in our government’s $30 Billion promise 2 Israel despite our sorry economic situation. House Foreign Affairs Committee is pushing to cut off all diplomacy with Iran. Congress is ready to put more sanctions on Iran. Our military is enmeshed right now with Israel, setting up and refining new missile defenses in behalf Israel. Obama has to compete with all GOP contenders claiming they love Israel more (except Ron Paul, who I guess not enough Americans care for because he doesn’t look macho, talk macho, or carry himself smoothly. It’s like they never heard the adage, Don’t Judge A Book By Its Cover–he’s baring his pages & they don’t care. US mass remains in High School even into their dotage. Facebook nation. Israel Firsters will use all those American tools, and their children too.

      • DBG
        November 7, 2011, 2:35 pm

        yes, that 3 billion/year, 75-80%which is being spent on American weapons systems, is bankrupting our nation.

      • Citizen
        November 7, 2011, 3:55 pm

        DBG, re that 75%, Israel funnels that free cash plus interest it gets from US taxpayers to more than 1,000 U.S. arms suppliers, which in turn lobby for U.S. policies that benefit them at the expense of peace in the Middle East. As a result, this diversion of US tax dollars not only reduces funding for education and social programs in the US, but militarizes our public policy overall. Naturally, it does the same for Israel.

      • Citizen
        November 7, 2011, 4:09 pm

        Also, DBG, and anyone reading this thread, Israel’s debt is underwritten by US taxpayers to the tune of an additional $2 billion/year, even now, when US credit rating is lower than Israel’s. Also, DBG, all that free cash given to Israel plus interest has to be borrowed at interest from countries, e.g., China–and US has $15 Trillion dollar debt. Further, Israel annually always gets supplemental cash for one thing or another, to the tune of another half billion to billion dollars, one more recent example was for the Iron Dome project.

        Everyone who does not know just how Israel gets all this cash every year should take a look here–and the aid to Israel has really grown since this article was written: http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost_of_israel.html

        Israel also gets lots of free cash from Germany annually as reparations, still going on for what, 70 years? Most of that aid the actual survivors of the Shoah do not receive, as Finklestein, among others, has detailed.

      • Citizen
        November 7, 2011, 4:14 pm

        Further DBG, contrary to ordinary U.S. policy, Israel has been and continues to be allowed to use the other approximately 25% of this military aid to purchase equipment from Israeli manufacturers. According to CRS, “no other recipient of U.S. military assistance has been granted this benefit.” Thanks in part to this indirect U.S. subsidy, Israel’s arms industry has become one of the strongest in the world. “Between 2001 an 2008, it was the 7th largest arms supplier to the world with sales worth a total of 9.9 billion.”

      • Citizen
        November 7, 2011, 4:17 pm

        11/2008 Washington Report article “A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: $114 Billion,” by Shirl McArthur: “[T]he indirect or consequential costs to the American taxpayer as a result of Washington’s blind support for Israel exceed by many times the amount of direct U.S. aid to Israel. Some of these ‘indirect or consequential’ costs would include the costs to U.S. manufacturers of the Arab boycott, the costs to U.S. companies and consumers of the Arab oil embargo and consequent soaring oil prices as a result of U.S. support for Israel in the 1973 war, and the costs of U.S. unilateral economic sanctions on Iran, Iraq, Libya and Syria. (For a discussion of these larger costs, see ‘The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion,’ by the late Thomas R. Stauffer, June 2003 Washington Report, p. 20.)”

      • Citizen
        November 7, 2011, 4:19 pm

        Finally, DBG:

        Daily U.S. Military Aid to Israel
        and the Palestinians, FY2009

        “Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing the amounts provided to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct U.S. economic and military assistance since 1976 and the largest total recipient since World War ll. Total direct U.S. aid to Israel amounts to well over $140 billion in 2003 dollars. Israel receives about $3 billion in direct foreign assistance each year, which is roughly one-fifth of America’s entire foreign aid budget. In per capita terms, the United States gives each Israeli a direct subsidy worth about $500 per year. This largesse is especially striking when one realizes that Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to South Korea or Spain.”

        – John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
        “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy”

      • annie
        November 7, 2011, 4:30 pm

        ssssshhhh, we don’t want the news to get out over @ OWS! someone might try putting 2 plus 2 together and figuring out it impacts our domestic budget.

  16. Peter in SF
    November 7, 2011, 3:49 am

    I heard about this today on an hourly NPR news broadcast, which actually referred to Iran as “the nuclear-armed nation” !

    The current version of the article on NPR’s website doesn’t use that phrasing (it substitutes “Tehran” instead), but it does show up in a Google search.

    NPR’s story appears to have been taken, with minor modifications, from this AP story under Anne Flaherty’s byline. Maybe her colleague Matt Lee might start asking Victoria Nuland about a “nuclear-armed nation”.

    • Chaos4700
      November 7, 2011, 9:23 am

      NPR has gone so far downhill in the past decade. People ought to remember where they stood on the “nukes in Iraq” fiasco.

      • Kathleen
        November 7, 2011, 12:07 pm

        NPR certainly did their share of repeating the Bush administratons endlessly repeated WMD claims. But listened to both the Rehm show and Totn almost everyday in the run up to the invasion. I have to say I heard more questions about the integrity of the intelligence on Totn than on the Rehm show. Although as time went on the Rehm team became more skeptical. At one point I went through both shows archives to see if my memory of guest before the invasion was correct.

        I believe Talk of the Nation actually did a better job. Will look again when I have more time.

        In the case of Iran the Diane Rehm show and Talk of the Nation host Neil Conan have allowed guest to repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran. Robert Siegel also. They never have Flynt or Hillary Mann Leverett on about Iran or anything else.

        The new strategy by NPR seems to be promoting one writer after the next who has done another holocaust story or about Jewish history. Guy Raz and the weekend shows are especially guilty of doing a disproportionate amount of these stories and promotions of Jewish history.

        The most recent example of this was a promotion of the book “A Tale Of Forgiveness From The Tragedy Of Masada ”


      • Kathleen
        November 7, 2011, 12:08 pm

        A Tale Of Forgiveness From The Tragedy Of Masada

      • Chaos4700
        November 7, 2011, 7:08 pm

        I don’t believe I get the Diane Rehm show where I live. Not that I would know if they added it to the recent lineup, I stopped listening to NPR after they spent less than five seconds on 1,000 Palestinian prisoners and more than fifteen on Gilad Schalit in a top of the hour news roundup.

    • Kathleen
      November 7, 2011, 12:09 pm

      Both Jon Stewart and Christiane Amanpour allowed “mushroom cloud” Rice to repeat inflammatory claims about Iran on their programs. Absolutely no challenges out of either Stewart or Amanpour

  17. Theo
    November 7, 2011, 9:00 am

    What is the name of the country that has at least 150 nuclear warheads, but refuses inspections by the UN?
    Disregards every UN resolution over the past 60 years, constantly attacks its neighbors, occupies and populates stolen lands?
    Disregards international laws, bombs scientific sites of other nations?
    Commits piracy on high seas?
    Sends killer teams to assesinate political opponents?
    Uses rockets to kill leaders of the occupied land?
    Uses white phosphor and other forbidden weapons in highly populated areas?

    Before we bomb Iran we must take care of this land.

    • dumvitaestspesest
      November 7, 2011, 9:42 am

      And rememeber. Most of the politicians from major western countries bow, pay a homage to THIS country, who disregards, abuses everything what it possibly can.
      In the meantime ,they try to create medial hysteria, panic about Iran as a “great danger to global peace and democracy”.
      Blah, blah, blah.
      They are just sold out puppets pulled by invisible strings.
      They ARE NOT the representatives of the people.
      They are just a joke. Sad , cowardly, corrupted and scary one though.

    • Kathleen
      November 7, 2011, 11:43 am

      solid points

  18. MarkF
    November 7, 2011, 9:43 am

    He probably won’t win, but at least he’s standing up and trying to take his party back. He may not get there, but maybe he’s started something that can finally wrestle control away from the neocons and get the party back to true conservatism.

  19. Potsherd2
    November 7, 2011, 9:48 am

    I really wonder what would happen if somebody started a BOMB ISRAEL campaign?

    • Chaos4700
      November 7, 2011, 10:41 am

      Oh, their family would be slaughtered down to the children, no matter where in the world they are. Israel kills for far less.

  20. dumvitaestspesest
    November 7, 2011, 10:52 am

    I’m skimming through some of the european news.
    Nothing optimistic there as well.
    Some examples of the titles of the articles ( in an independent news).
    -“Europe is preparing her own funeral”.
    -“The 4th Reich is being build by German dominated EU”.
    -” Are we governed by mafias?”
    -” A soft version (yet)of police states”.

  21. dumvitaestspesest
    November 7, 2011, 11:31 am

    Fort those, who don’t really know.
    A quick,12 minute , crash course on what is going on in Europe.

  22. Justice Please
    November 7, 2011, 12:17 pm

    Pray that Ron Paul gets the Republican nomination. That would force Democrats to nominate someone who is just as morally right on foreign policy as Paul is. Like Dennis Kucinich.

    Because the American voters on both sides are opposed to empire, especially in these economic times.

    • Potsherd2
      November 7, 2011, 2:06 pm

      The American voters are opposed to $10/gal gasoline.

    • Citizen
      November 7, 2011, 2:25 pm

      Recent polls show that is the case, JusticePlease, but never underestimate the skill of the American masses to buy some emotional spiel on a lesser issue than our whole economy and foreign policy and monetary policy & so cut off their nose to spite their face. Both sides will do this. Israel will continue to take us to the cleaners and jeopardize all of us until it is too late. It’s already too late, I fear. When congress folks push a bill preventing POTUS or his diplomatic corp from chatting even behind the scenes with Iran, we are in deep-do-do.

      • Mooser
        November 7, 2011, 2:50 pm

        And to add to what Citizen says, never underestimate the ability of Americans to believe that war will be profitable for the country, or for them personally.

      • Chaos4700
        November 7, 2011, 7:10 pm

        Case and point, one of the more aggressive advocacies by an American to make a case for war with Iran to date, that I’ve read.

      • teta mother me
        November 7, 2011, 3:13 pm

        Citizen — “never underestimate the skill of the American masses to buy some emotional spiel on a lesser issue than our whole economy and foreign policy and monetary policy & so cut off their nose to spite their face. ”

        The other day a friend invited me to a ‘praise festival’ at one of US Catholicism’s evangelical colleges (there are several in the MidWest/Atlantic coast region — Christendom in Virginia, Franciscan U Steubenville (OH), Ave Maria in Michigan (I think).

        The event was scary as hell.
        Lot of kids (300 – 500 perhaps) showed up in the field house where a guitar-violin-drums combo made noise while 2 Elmer Gantry wannabes manned the microphone and led the audience in singing the most inane & lugubrious “Jesus loves me, Jesus will save me, Jesus will solve all my problems” tuneless songs. Verses were sung over and over and over again, 10-12 times, same tuneless, drum-accompanied verses. The intent seemed to be to induce some euphoric reaction, and as the space got warmer, more and more people raised first one hand and arm, then both, in a kind of Hitler youth salute.

        These are 18-22 year old young people; they can vote; they will be leading this nation when I am in a wheel chair or wearing Depends. They do NOT have a clue what is going on in the world or how they are being brainwashed and emotionally manipulated — shamefully, in my opinion, by church leaders. By comparison, the evil that was done to many youngsters by priests was only physical; this is psychological pedophilia.

        Somebody shoot me now.

      • dumvitaestspesest
        November 7, 2011, 4:24 pm

        I’m not gonna shoot you ( because I can’t:) ,but it looks like you mixed a lot of simple facts just to prove something, ( I can not figure out what though).
        Catholicism and evangelicism are not the same.
        There is a big difference between them. So do not mix them as if they were the same one.
        You are writing about attending some Prayer festival ,which I do not see anything bad in it. Singing, praying , rasing hands while you pray is no offence to anybody. Religious/spiritual life is a very important part ofor many people.
        Most religions talk/teach about respecting others, carrying each other burden, do not doing to others ,what one would not like to be done to him etc.
        I do not see anything wrong with it.
        The fact that some people, who claim to be religous ,are doing evil things is a total different, long as humankind, story.

  23. manfromatlan
    November 7, 2011, 5:42 pm

    I’d prefer Ron Paul ran as a Third Party candidate. At least Americans would have a real alternative, as opposed to idiots of the Democrat/Republican persuasion

  24. eljay
    November 9, 2011, 6:35 pm

    If I were American, I’d vote for Ron Paul. I don’t agree with everything he says, but the man appears to have more intelligence and integrity than pretty much any politician I’ve read about in recent years.

    • Citizen
      November 9, 2011, 9:17 pm

      He’s run in the past too; I’ve voted for him; I will again. He’s been consistent for decades. He’s very knowledgeable, especially on the big macros of federal government, monetary & fiscal policy, foreign policy–the only candidate who knows a lot about world history, including in the Middle East. He is the authentic conservative’s conservative and also knows the US Constitution, in historical and evolving context, as well as, e.g., he’s actually read the Federalist Papers.
      He’s worked as a practicing family physician to boot. He’s real home-baked apple pie, and the bulk of Americans don’t even know the taste of it. They get their fake version as a stale candy bar with a glossy picture of a pie on it–from the nearest $1.00 vending machine. This is well-known by the bipartisan PTB & their lackey media. The plutocratic American oligarchy absolutely and blithely counts on this.

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