Gingrich says Palestinians are an ‘invented people’

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In an interview with Steven Weiss of the Jewish Channel, picked up by Ben Smith. He also says, “I think it’s delusional to call it a peace process.” Gingrich:

“I believe that the Jewish people have the right to have a state, and I believe that the commitments that were made at a time–remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we’ve had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places. And for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940’s, and it’s tragic.”

Will this be a wedge issue between Republicans and Democrats? J Street, appalled by the Republican positions, did an email blast on Gingrich’s statement and on Jon Stewart’s riff last night on the Republican Jewish Coalition. J Street said, “[T]oday, the political pandering on Israel continued, as Newt Gingrich referred to the Palestinians as an ‘invented people’ and suggested reversing two-decades of American policy and abandoning pursuit of the two-state solution.”

Justin Elliott tweets smartly:

is there way to take Newt’s “they had a chance to go many places” bit as anything other than call for ethnic cleansing?

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  1. GalenSword
    December 9, 2011, 4:59 pm

    Isn’t Gingrich supposed to be an historian?

    He needs to read The Invention of the Jewish People by Shlomo Sand and The Myth of Nations by P. J. Geary.

    • GalenSword
      December 10, 2011, 11:44 am

      Another worthwhile investigation into the topic is Imagined Communities: Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism by Benedict Anderson.

    • split
      December 10, 2011, 1:58 pm

      :))) ,…

    • Hostage
      December 10, 2011, 10:00 pm

      Isn’t Gingrich supposed to be an historian?

      His area expertise obviously doesn’t extend to the history of the Middle East, the Ottoman Empire, or Palestine.

      I believe that the Jewish people have the right to have a state, and I believe that the commitments that were made at a time–remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire.

      Belief is one thing, and documentary proof is another. The United States has promised the Palestinians a state of their own from the time of the Treaty of Versailles to the time of the Middle East Quartet Road Map for a Two State Solution.

      The United States has posted Consuls to the country of Palestine ever since the early 19th century and treated it as a formal jurisdiction. For example, the US Government addressed the Ottoman Pasha as “his excellency Raouf Pasha Governor of Jerusalem and Palestine”. http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/FRUS/FRUS-idx?type=goto&id=FRUS.FRUS188889v01p2&isize=M&submit=Go+to+page&page=1546

      The US Consul established Consular Courts with jurisdiction over US citizens residing in the territory of Palestine and continued to operate them even after the British Mandate was awarded

      In the course of 1922, correspondence had taken place between the United States Vice Consul in Jerusalem and the Palestine administration, as a result of which United States Capitulatory Rights with certain quite minor modifications were to be maintained in force until such time as an agreement should have been concluded between His Majesty’s Government and the United States Government on the subject of the British mandate for Palestine.

      By the terms of the arrangement reached with the United States Vice Consul it had been laid down in a confidential notification to the district courts of Palestine dated 8th February 1922 that in civil cases, where the defendant was an American citizen, and the court was satisfied that the latter’s national status was established, the case should be referred by the District Court to the legal secretary of the Palestine Government for trial by a United States consular court. On the 15th August 1922 one Zaslevsky, an Ottoman subject, sued one Goldberg, an alleged American citizen, before the District Court in Jerusalem for the balance of an account. The court in accordance with the above mentioned notification refused to try the case on the grounds that the defendant being an American national was justiciable before a United States consular court.

      3. Thus far, therefore, the procedure laid down by mutual agreement pending the conclusion of a treaty between the two countries in regard to the mandate was rigidly followed. Negotiations in regard to the terms of the treaty were also in progress and were so far advanced, that a speedy conclusion was anticipated.

      http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/FRUS/FRUS-idx?type=goto&id=FRUS.FRUS1923v02&isize=M&submit=Go+to+page&page=225

      The US actually agreed with the other Allied Powers to create the new states in Ottoman Asia and recognize them as independent nations. See Articles 22 and 434 of the Treaty of Versailles and Articles 30 and 60 of the Treaty of Lausanne. The US formally recognized the state of Palestine in 1932 – a fact confirmed by the US Federal Court for the District of Columbia in Kletter v Dulles.

    • J. Otto Pohl
      December 11, 2011, 4:55 am

      Technically, but most of us don’t think much of him. He wrote his dissertation on how great Belgian colonial rule was for the people of the Congo, seriously. The Belgians stick out as particularly vile even by the wretched standards of European exploitation of Africa in the late 19th and first half of the 20th centuries. They oversaw the death through forced labor and just plain murder of about 10 million Congolese about twice as many people as perished in the Holocaust. So his defense of Zionist colonialism in Palestine is not surprising.

  2. pjdude
    December 9, 2011, 5:05 pm

    so he supports a real fiction people fake right to state but not real people’s real right?

    this is whats wrong with american middle east policy

    • seafoid
      December 10, 2011, 5:50 am

      This video is really dangerous. It starts off with a several second long intro to “the Jewish channel” and features Gingrich paying obeisance to the Lobby with a chat with someone wearing a kippa and saying there are no Palestinians. It then ends with a 10 second long ad for “the Jewish channel” and is online. It will be seen all over the Middle East. For those in the region who are into conspiracy theories there is no need to shell out on Mein Kampf when you can watch this.

  3. Kathleen
    December 9, 2011, 5:07 pm

    All about ownership not love

    • Hostage
      December 11, 2011, 3:09 am

      Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who is Jewish, issued a statement today saying Gingrich “is wrong to think his attempt to turn the Palestinians into a non-people with no claim to a state will appeal to his audience on the Jewish Channel.”

      http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-11/gingrich-focus-of-iowa-debate-as-palestine-remark-questioned.html

      • Citizen
        December 11, 2011, 12:30 pm

        Newt does not have to appeal to the whole audience on the Jewish Channel, only to the rabid Zionists with lots of cash, and the complicity of Israel Firsters dominating the US MSM. More Jews were against Bush Jr’s Iraq war than any other American group. It went forward as planned, using lies and deceit. Believe me, Iran is next. PNAC is fully subscribed still, by both neocons and PEPs. And the Christian fundies got their back.

  4. dumvitaestspesest
    December 9, 2011, 5:12 pm

    Oh Gosh. Next fool and a schmuck applying for a presidential position.
    It so frustrating and tiring watching their big, fake smiles, their careworn faces, studied gestures and mouths that spit the same ,old propaganda B–S –t.
    This one is a new one.
    Humanoid?? Invented?? Part of Israeli “Empire”, who had a chance to go to an American community and tries to become a president there??

  5. ToivoS
    December 9, 2011, 5:13 pm

    I have been reading some of the early history of the Islam expansion. Apparently the Arabs ruled their conquered lands for only about 100 years. Over that time the native people adapted to that rule, in many cases adapted to Arabaic and converted to Islam. However, there were simply too few Arabs to replace the native populations and eventually the countries reverted to native rule.

    Palestinians are Palestinians as much as Iranians are Persian, as much as Egyptians are Egyptians and so on. This is a very insidious myth that the Israelis have planted into the minds of many on the West. Useful idiot Gingerich, being the lousy historian he was, is probably just ignorant and is being manipulated by clever Israeli propaganda. I shouldn’t be too critical since I believed for a long time, without giving it much thought, that the Arab conquest resulted in the displacement of the native people.

    • mig
      December 9, 2011, 6:25 pm

      When arabs ( muslims ), took the palestine some time ago, that didnt change the ethnic background of indigenous population. Otherwise all christians are palestinians/Israelis too. All buddhists are Indians etc etc.

      Why are these idiotic ideas/excuses only accepted in I/P conflict ? Why we cant read similar things in other conflicts ?

  6. Annie Robbins
    December 9, 2011, 5:14 pm

    an ‘invented people’. i wonder if the lobby asked him to bark like a dog if he would.

  7. Chu
    December 9, 2011, 5:25 pm

    Gingrich was paid by Freddie Mac 1.6 million to be their historian.
    He’ll say anything to gain political favor with those in power; for a
    healthy fee no doubt.

  8. Woody Tanaka
    December 9, 2011, 5:40 pm

    “is there way to take Newt’s ‘they had a chance to go many places’ bit as anything other than call for ethnic cleansing?”

    Of course it is. This person, as with most American politicians sucking up to the “Israel” Lobby, are willing to inflict almost any crime against the Palestinians. It’s disgusting. They’re disgusting.

    • Citizen
      December 10, 2011, 4:37 am

      Yeah, they’re like fat maggots crawling around the top of the garbage pile. Have you even seen such petty little men and women? Not hard to recognize this cunning and tiny mentality–reminds me of what the Salem Witch Trials must have been like. I hope there is a hell, one far worse than the one Dante created.

  9. DICKERSON3870
    December 9, 2011, 5:43 pm

    RE: “J Street said, ‘[T]oday, the political pandering on Israel continued, as Newt Gingrich referred to the Palestinians as an ‘invented people’…’ ”

    ALSO SEE: Gingrich to Ask John Bolton to be Secretary of State ~ by John Glaser, Antiwar.com, 12/08/11

    (excerpts) Republican Presidential candidate Newt Gingrich announced Wednesday that, if nominated, he would be asking former United Nations Ambassador John Bolton to be his secretary of state…
    ‎…In a speech to the Republican Jewish Coalition, Gingrich said, “If he will accept it, I will ask John Bolton to be secretary of state.” This could be a violation of federal law, which prohibits a candidate from pledging an appointment “for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy.”
    The Gingrich campaign has so far refused to comment on the apparent crime.

    SOURCE – http://news.antiwar.com/2011/12/08/gingrich-to-ask-john-bolton-to-be-secretary-of-state-if-nominated/

    • teta mother me
      December 9, 2011, 10:07 pm

      Newt does not want to be president.
      He’s playing around, burnishing his brand with an eye to his next book.

      but maybe just maybe he is really the ultimate American patriot. Think about it: people pay attention to him. When he says crap like he’s been spouting the last couple of days, it makes the Israel lobby look really really bad. Maybe Newt is doing that on purpose?

      • Citizen
        December 10, 2011, 4:46 am

        I’m afraid you underestimate Newt’s ego, which is as big, fat, and jowled as his head. Jeez, can this country get any sleazier, any cheaper? I mean, Perry’s like Jethro in Beverly Hillbillies, and Bachmann, like a Stepford Wife. Romney reminds me of a door2door vacuum cleaner salesman.

    • mudder
      December 10, 2011, 7:52 am

      U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 29, Section 599 reads

      Whoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

      This looks like a willful violation to me.

  10. mig
    December 9, 2011, 6:16 pm

    Damn, and Israel has allready recognized Palestinian people. And all the fuzz about talking about peace with invented people. Well well….

    You Americans really badly need educated leaders. Maybe next round ?

    • Citizen
      December 10, 2011, 4:48 am

      Cain said “we need leaders, not readers.” And if it wasn’t for his little head leading his big head, and his fear more needy women will come out of the woodwork, he’d still be riding high as his cowboy hat.

  11. Mndwss
    December 9, 2011, 6:32 pm

    Invented people are not people?

    They must be animals! Maybe animals love to get tortured and killed?

    Lets try that for 63 years…

    Hmmm…

    They are still people….

    New theory:

    Gingrich is a demon and his execution in a guillotine could save the world.

    Let’s try that. Just for one second.

    If the world does not become a better place after that…

    Bush? Clinton? Kissinger? Obama?

    Lets do some science….

  12. DICKERSON3870
    December 9, 2011, 6:41 pm

    RE: “J Street said, ‘[T]oday, the political pandering on Israel continued, as Newt Gingrich referred to the Palestinians as an ‘invented people’…’ ”

    SEE: “Gingrich and Adelson Forge Firm Alliance”, By Josh Nathan-Kazis and Nathan Guttman, The Forward, 12/08/11
    GOP Frontrunner Boasts Israel Support and Netanyahu Ties

    (excerpts)…Billionaire casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, one of the wealthiest men in the world and a major donor to Jewish and conservative causes, is widely known as a Netanyahu stalwart. Less well known are his equally close ties to Gingrich, to whom he has been a major giver in recent years…
    …Adelson has given particularly heavily to Gingrich-associated organizations. Between 2006 and 2010 he donated $7 million to American Solutions for Winning the Future, one of Gingrich’s political groups, according to a database maintained by the Center for Responsive Politics…

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – – http://www.forward.com/articles/147533/?p=all

  13. spuxx
    December 9, 2011, 8:19 pm

    “His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country”

  14. RoHa
    December 9, 2011, 9:06 pm

    “Palestinians are an ‘invented people’”

    So what “people” isn’t?

    • seafoid
      December 10, 2011, 5:31 am

      One of my colleagues is Israeli. His father was born in Egypt and spoke arabic and his mother’s family came from Poland and spoke Yiddish . He speaks Hebrew at home. I often think that he would never have been born if Zionism had failed. Israel is invented.

  15. ToivoS
    December 9, 2011, 9:55 pm

    Mig I agree with you here. The Israeli-Palestine land dispute is the only one in the whole world that is based on land claims that are 2 thousand years old. The reason these millennium old claims are taken seriously is because Israel and the world’s only super-power is demanding so.

    Therefore sensible people in the face of these absurd claims are forced to go back and point out obvious facts that the Palestinian people have lived in Palestine for many centuries and therefore have a legitimate claim to Palestine.

    I think the whole argument is absurd (if a Palestinian family can trace its heritage back 100 years then it seems only fair and logical that they should be given rights of citizenship on the land they occupied).

    But we are arguing with a different beast all together. We have a situation where people with no proven attachment to a land are justified in seizing it because of spiritual reasons. Basically the Jews have claimed the inheritance of bunch of bronze age goat herders who have been dead 2500 years.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 9, 2011, 11:17 pm

      We have a situation where people with no proven attachment to a land are justified in seizing it because of spiritual reasons.

      kinda but not always. ‘the hebrews’ and Cultural Zionism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Zionism plus Ahad Ha’am http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asher_Ginsberg are worth exploring.there’s lots about zionism that’s secular. i would posit justified in seizing it because of spiritual reasons is more likely regarded as genealogy or alleged genealogy in some instances.
      basically it is claim to the land because ones ancestors once lived there. for many it is because god gave the land to the jews, but for many zionists who are secular it is because they are ethnic nationalist (zionism is a political construct) , they believe in ‘peoplehood’, the right of self determination of ‘peoples’ (based on ethnic claims/genealogy as well as religion but not restricted to) and believe in some perverse concept that the land once ruled by their ‘people’ justifies them owning it again into perpetuity, or something like that. nothing ‘spiritual’ about that.

      • ToivoS
        December 10, 2011, 2:02 am

        Annie my being an atheist maybe means that you and I may have different definitions of ‘spiritual’. I see it as an ideology driven by faith and from that comes a belief in an absolute truth. Spirituality is believing something that transcends objectively reality that is immune to rational discourse.

        We should ask R.Witty he has been one who has dedicated much of his life seeking a spiritual plane — from dancing in airport lobbies chanting hari krishna to orthodox Judaism.

      • Ramzi Jaber
        December 10, 2011, 9:44 am

        “We have a situation where people with no proven attachment to a land are justified in seizing it because of spiritual reasons.”

        Very well said indeed, Annie!

        Palestinians, including myself, have actual land deeds and solid proof of ownership that go back hundreds of years; and we’ve been living in Palestine for hundreds of years. AIPAC, the Likud Zionists of America, and US Christian Fundamentalist Zionists use the Bible as a real-estate guide.

        Look at the Israeli Zionist politicians TODAY – more than 63 years after the so-called “Israel Independence” (from what, btw? but that’s for another time!) – from Mr. Peres down, many of them are not even born in Palestine but some other country far from Palestine.

        My message to Mr. Gingrich is clear: I am here. I am real. I am original. And I am not going anywhere.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 10, 2011, 10:23 am

        thank you ramzi but i cannot take credit for that statement. (generally when i use italics in the comments it is because i am highlighting someone elses statement. in this case toivo above)…the argument i made addressed the justification of the seculars, those who are not spiritual.

        “i would posit justified in seizing it because of spiritual reasons is more likely regarded as genealogy or alleged genealogy in some instances.
        basically it is claim to the land because ones ancestors once lived there. for many it is because god gave the land to the jews, but for many zionists who are secular it is because they are ethnic nationalist (zionism is a political construct) who believe in ‘peoplehood’, the right of self determination of ‘peoples’ (based on ethnic claims/genealogy as well as religion but not restricted to) and believe in some perverse concept that the land once ruled by their ‘people’ justifies them owning it again into perpetuity, or something like that. nothing ‘spiritual’ about that.”

        the whole spiritual claim is a bunch of mumbo jumbo doubling down on myth making concocted and promoted to instill a ‘deep attachment to the land’ not only for israelis (the vast majority of whose relatives, not a one of set foot in palestine for thousands of years), but for any jew in the diaspora as a way of ‘bonding’ to the state of israel as one might ‘bond’ to their ancestors. that’s all fine and dandy for the inside of churches and synagogues
        but it doesn’t even begin to rationalize taking a families home away from them in any modern civilized age.

        Hajoo family hands its Jerusalem house keys to a court, to make way for Jews.

        and the laws they make to justify this stuff? it’s all smoke and mirrors for continued ethnic cleansing.

        I am here. I am real. I am original. And I am not going anywhere.

        i know! and i am here as part of a growing movement to empower you. hang in there and stay strong in sumud for the world is watching and we will prevail and someday palestine will be free again.

      • Ramzi Jaber
        December 10, 2011, 10:56 am

        Thank you for supporting the Palestinian people, Annie. My apologies ToivoS for not attributing the quote to you.

      • seafoid
        December 10, 2011, 11:31 am

        You don’t have to point that out Ramzi. You don’t have to take nonsense seriously . Israeli Jews have a very deep insecurity because they know that their country was stolen from your people.

        There is only one answer to Zionist BS that there is no Palestine and that is Palestinian culture

      • Ramzi Jaber
        December 10, 2011, 11:57 am

        Thanks for that. You’re right seafoid, no need to waste precious time on nonsense!

      • Annie Robbins
        December 11, 2011, 12:02 am

        god seafoid, i love this, i have seen it before but i could watch and listen to this everyday..

      • Annie Robbins
        December 11, 2011, 12:08 am

        de nada ramzi, it is my duty as a human being w/conscience. for me there is no choice in the matter.

      • Hostage
        December 10, 2011, 10:25 pm

        for many it is because god gave the land to the jews

        Please remember that God gave it to Canaan first, before he reportedly gave it to the descendants of Abraham. Next he took away the people of Israel and Judea that were exiled. So far the so-called descendants of the exiles haven’t managed to pry it loose from the Palestinian inhabitants. Rashi provided a some religious insight in that connection pertaining to Genesis 1:1:

        Now for what reason did He commence with “In the beginning?” Because of [the verse] “The strength of His works He related to His people, to give them the inheritance of the nations” (Ps. 111:6). For if the nations of the world should say to Israel, “You are robbers, for you conquered by force the lands of the seven nations [of Canaan],” they will reply, “The entire earth belongs to the Holy One, blessed be He; He created it (this we learn from the story of the Creation) and gave it to whomever He deemed proper When He wished, He gave it to them, and when He wished, He took it away from them and gave it to us.

        So maybe God wished to take it away and give it to the Palestinians? Hmmm . . .

      • john h
        December 11, 2011, 2:49 am

        So maybe God wished to take it away and give it to the Palestinians? Hmmm…

        Maybe…or maybe as landlord he wanted to be done with this whole thing about a piece of land, for the Jews or anyone else, just like he maybe did on sacrifices and priesthood and a temple? Maybe it was time to move on and action what he’d really been working toward for so many years?

        And, just maybe, there was someone like Esther of whom it could be said, “Who knows whether you have not come to the kingdom for such a time as this?”.

        The point is, do we, or Zionists, know what all that god stuff really was all about anyway? Is it all just a bunch of maybes?

        This is a whole can of worms that should be more explored and better understood. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing; those who use God and what is written must be challenged in that same area by their own sources.

        And that means there must be some of us who know the facts better than they do, and be able to win hands down as much as we do in other areas.

        To simply fob them off as religious nuts is the same as seeing what they do, and then saying and doing nothing about it because of the belief it is too much and they are insane.

        We should never be in the business of allowing them to win (in their eyes) by default, in any key area.

      • Citizen
        December 11, 2011, 12:39 pm

        No doubt the story of Esther has been a model for Israel Firsters in the USA, and ambitious Jews everywhere in host nations?

      • Hostage
        December 11, 2011, 5:18 pm

        Maybe…or maybe as landlord he wanted to be done with this whole thing about a piece of land, for the Jews or anyone else, just like he maybe did on sacrifices and priesthood and a temple?

        Of course. Love of Israel never had anything to do with love of the land. Here is an interview with a religious leader, Rabbi David Hartman, that echos some of the same thoughts I’ve tried to pass along in recent threads here about Jewish identity. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4159477,00.html

      • Annie Robbins
        December 11, 2011, 7:34 pm

        thanks for that awesome link hostage. it must be difficult for man of his age to see what is happening considering his teaching and visions of the future.

      • RoHa
        December 11, 2011, 7:45 pm

        “Here is an interview with a religious leader, Rabbi David Hartman,”

        He does go on a bit, doesn’t he? But there, a lot of us get that way as we get older and more pissed off with the idiocy we see around us.

        I noticed this line “Meanwhile, in Jerusalem, women have been removed from billboards.”

        ?

      • Hostage
        December 11, 2011, 8:05 pm

        He does go on a bit, doesn’t he?

        Go back and read all of the hateful responses from his Israeli countrymen. Like the old saying goes, a prophet has no honor in his own country.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 11, 2011, 8:49 pm

        you haven’t heard? where have you been.

      • RoHa
        December 11, 2011, 8:55 pm

        I did. Right bunch of charmers.

      • RoHa
        December 11, 2011, 9:02 pm

        “you haven’t heard?”

        You mean about the billboards?

        “where have you been”

        Not Jerusalem. I was so thrilled to find something in Judaism that I could agree with* that I didn’t notice the downside was no more billboards like this.
        http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=sexy+billboards&hl=en&sa=X&rls=com.microsoft:en-au:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7RNRN_enAU420&biw=1280&bih=812&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=IPKFw_875BK_GM:&imgrefurl=http://test.listicles.com/testsite/2009/10/50-cool-and-creative-billboards/&docid=nmsqLwE2r94brM&imgurl=http://listicles.thelmagazine.com/wp-content/upload/bustop_billboard.jpg&w=440&h=364&ei=fGDlTtGaGbG6iAeR7fy1BQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=785&sig=109811067149652089595&page=1&tbnh=144&tbnw=193&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:0&tx=98&ty=56

        http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=sexy+billboards&hl=en&sa=X&rls=com.microsoft:en-au:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7RNRN_enAU420&biw=1280&bih=812&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=BfE8fIPwz0J0PM:&imgrefurl=http://www.philippinenewsdaily.com/2011/07/8962/lovi-poes-sexy-billboard-pulled-down.html/lovi-poe-bench-billboard-at-edsa-pulled-down&docid=n_SYxGPCdPURBM&imgurl=http://www.philippinenewsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lovi-Poe-Bench-Billboard-at-EDSA-pulled-down.jpg&w=720&h=541&ei=fGDlTtGaGbG6iAeR7fy1BQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=800&vpy=137&dur=816&hovh=195&hovw=259&tx=118&ty=109&sig=109811067149652089595&page=4&tbnh=143&tbnw=190&start=67&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:67

        http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=Japanese+sexy+billboards&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-au:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7RNRN_enAU420&biw=1280&bih=812&tbm=isch&tbnid=ipwmmhGR5e5ZeM:&imgrefurl=http://mtvk.com/2010/12/28/after-school-is-the-next-k-pop-group-to-debut-in-japan/&docid=rBRF1kvUH-28-M&imgurl=http://www.mtvk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/afterschool.jpg&w=530&h=383&ei=8mDlTo-lD-6HmQXiruzyBA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=226&sig=109811067149652089595&page=7&tbnh=141&tbnw=188&start=138&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:18,s:138&tx=76&ty=53

        http://www.gocomics.com/9chickweedlane/2011/12/03

        (*Women singing is worse than death.)

      • dbroncos
        December 10, 2011, 11:36 pm

        Americans who understand the justifications behind the Jewish state will cite the ‘safe haven’ argument as often as the Biblical claims. The Holocaust and the Bible provide powerful talking points. No matter if the audience is secular, Christian or Jewish, Zionists have the waterfront covered.

      • john h
        December 11, 2011, 12:52 am

        No they haven’t at all, dbroncos, their claims are shot full of holes. They only think they have, in their typical self-right arrogance.

      • Citizen
        December 11, 2011, 12:50 pm

        Yep, God told me so PLUS we need a safe haven, an insurance policy, from the common mental disease of all non-Jews, anti-semitism, which lies dormant, always, when not erupting.

        The whole Jewish schtick relies on a bipolar human world in the first place. The whole fight in the end is between humanism and tribalism.

        The Jewish people have survived without a state for a long time, and they would survive without one. Why? Well, it cannot be because all non-Jews are anti-semites at heart. Zionism is fundamentally flawed. Erecting monuments to a few “Righteous Gentiles” does not account for why the Jews survive. Zionism’s premise, the concept of Israel as an ultimate insurance policy against eternal latent Jew-hatred, does not give non-Jews their due–it is an insult to the unsung Gentiles over history who reacted by helping their neighbor–even if the neighbor was a Jew. That’s just for starters.

    • Citizen
      December 10, 2011, 4:51 am

      Yeah, it’s like Night Of The Living Dead.

  16. dumvitaestspesest
    December 9, 2011, 10:17 pm

    In a way it’s good that “the Grinch, who invented Palestinian people” says foolish staff like that. He reveals more and more of his submissivness to the Lobby, his irrationality , lack of knowledge and inteligence,lack of respect for human beings.
    Let him say more stupid things like that. Let him treat voters like a thoughtless mass, who does not understand anything, and who buys anything that is sold for them.
    Let him reveal his true agenda, his core beliefs, his major disregard for a common person.

  17. American
    December 9, 2011, 10:24 pm

    Gringrich describing Palestines as “invented people” tells you he is getting his ‘talking points’ straight from the zio machine. Pure hasbara 101.

  18. dumvitaestspesest
    December 9, 2011, 10:39 pm

    He is such a fool, that it’s just unbelievable.
    The USA is “INVENTED” country, if so. Americans are “INVENTED ” people. People, who owned the land, now known as North America, were of different tribes .
    “Americans” came here in XVII century, the US state was created officially in XVIII century. The US is a a melting pot of all possible races, religions, ethnic groups etc.
    America is an “INVENTED” country.
    His claim about “invented Palestinians” is as outrageous as the claim of some groups that Holocaust never happened.

    • kma
      December 10, 2011, 8:10 pm

      wait – you mean, God didn’t give the USA to us white europeans?
      sure feels like it! (of course, I’m kidding, unlike Michael Oren…)

  19. tombishop
    December 9, 2011, 11:00 pm

    Andrew Sullivan usually gets it wrong, from his initial support of the war in Iraq to his support of Obama attacks on civil liberties. On this question, he got it right though because he understands the role of Christian Zionism in the Republicans drive to get the world into all out war for their religious superstitions:

    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/12/the-new-fusion-the-likud-and-the-gop.html

    • dahoit
      December 10, 2011, 10:07 am

      Christian Zionism?C’mon,these clowns aint Christian at all,but citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah,and as Bush demonstrated with his “we’ll all be dead”quote regarding histories judgement on Iraq,that their faith is null and void.
      They are all moonie loonies gone mainstream in some nightmarish attack on reality.

  20. john h
    December 9, 2011, 11:00 pm

    Mr. Gingrich, this has to be one of the most idiotic statements in a crazy world:

    Remember there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we’ve had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places.

    Mr Gingrich, remember what else was part of the Ottoman Empire. The people of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Jordan. Remember they are in fact Arabs and were historically part of the Arab community.

    Remember there was no Syrian, Iraqi, Jordanian, or Lebanese state, and Syrians, Iraqis, Jordanians, and Lebanese are no more or less an invented people than are Palestinians.

    Remember the people of those four states had a chance to go many places in their own countries, and they took it, but that Palestinians did not have that chance.

    Finally, remember that, for a variety of political reasons, we have sustained this war against Israel Palestinians now since the 1940’s, and I think it’s high time you thought it’s tragic and put a final end to it.

  21. piotr
    December 9, 2011, 11:07 pm

    Gingrich is aware that at some point inhabitants of 11 states (or 14?) decided that they are a nation. While subsequent events have different interpretation (war of secession or war of Yankee aggression or war between the states), there it was: a putative nation that would separate from a larger group speaking the same language.

    While Southerners did not succeed, “Americans” did, even though they started as English (subjects of English Crown, hence English). And so did Canadians etc. Although they were a part of British Empire. I think that troops from New Zealand and Australia did not fight Ottoman Empire as members of separate nations but as troops from dominions of British Empire,

    Most importantly, a negative decision on the existence of Southern nation did not abrogate individual rights of Southerners including property rights.

  22. kalithea
    December 10, 2011, 12:41 am

    Of course he would give Zionists an excuse to justify ethnic cleansing! This moron would sell his soul to the devil to get the nomination and then Presidency, and once there, will drag everyone to hell with him in the WAR of the millennium.

  23. mig
    December 10, 2011, 3:08 am

    Remember there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we’ve had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places.

    Before of 1948, there was no state of Israel either. And dont count in 2000 years back ago existed situation. Because states that exist today, are development process 1700’s -1800’s nation states founding. HA, that would be interesting dilemma if you can have a state, only IF you previously had a state. I saw somewhere, brains for sale, take it Newt. You’ll need em’.

  24. seafoid
    December 10, 2011, 5:27 am

    There isn’t one decent candidate in the Republican party. Ron Paul said people without insurance can ask their neighbours. Perry and Bachmann are religious extremists. Romney and Gingrich are bought by the lobby.

  25. seafoid
    December 10, 2011, 5:36 am

    Very disappointing that Gingrich wasn’t wearing a kippa

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/kashrut-inspectors-jerusalem-burger-joint-workers-must-don-kippot-1.400439
    The on-site inspector, however, speaking to Haaretz on condition of anonymity, said that anyone working at the restaurant has to wear a kippa; “it’s important for the public,” he said.

  26. eljay
    December 10, 2011, 8:50 am

    >> … remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we’ve had an invented Palestinian people …

    I wonder if ol’ Newt is even dimly aware of how well this describes Israel and Israelis.

  27. Theo
    December 10, 2011, 8:54 am

    I think Gingrich should visit his favorit headshrinker as he needs urgent help.

    The Ottoman Empire dominated and occupied once Hungary, Serbia, Romania, Albania, Greece, Bulgaria, part of Russia and Ukraina, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestina, Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Tunis, Zypern.
    According to that idiot all these nations do not really exist, because they once were conquered by the turks?

    Each nation gets the leaders it deserves!!
    The few bloggers and commentators on MW and similar blogs will not make any difference, the ignorant and duped masses will vote for the one who tells the greatest fairytales.
    Did we not all got suckered by Obama?

  28. CloakAndDagger
    December 10, 2011, 9:31 am

    I am going to make a bold prediction: Newt is not going to be elected president. This sycophantic BS may have worked a few years ago, but it hasn’t a prayer anymore.

    My countrymen are waking up – slowly, but surely. Mark my words, you will all be pleasantly surprised by what happens next year.

    The more these people publicly pander to the lobby, the quicker the house of cards will come tumbling down. So, I say, more, more…

    • dahoit
      December 10, 2011, 10:23 am

      Yeah,Newt is just the lasted Zioman to raise his or her putrid whoring head after Palin,Bachman,Cain,Romney,Perry and that old malignant chestnut Rudy Ghouliani have been left on the Israeli road only wayside.

      • Kathleen
        December 10, 2011, 1:45 pm

        yep

    • john h
      December 10, 2011, 1:58 pm

      Here’s an interesting take from Henry Rollins (musician, comedian and activist) on the US and who will win in 2012.

      Rollins says the current state of politics in the United States provides rich pickings for someone who’s not afraid to tell it how he sees it, often to his own detriment.

      “You’re spoiled for choice if you’re a comic because, whenever these people open their mouths, it’s just nothing but mad comic opportunities.”

      “2012 is going to be a very tumultuous and decisive year in American politics. Not so much on the presidential side – you’re going to get one guy or the other guy – but in Congress. It will be interesting to see who holds their seat and who doesn’t.”

      For all that, he expects Barack Obama to sweep to another four-year term.

      “Oh yeah. I think he will be re-elected.

      “But I don’t think it’s impossible to beat him, I just don’t think that anyone who’s running against him currently could do it. I think the real right-wing conservative political muscle will be waiting for 2016. Obama is a very strong incumbent.

      “There’re a lot of smart Republicans who are very capable and who might not be bad presidents, but they’re waiting till 2016 to run without expending their political capital. If they do it this time, they’re going to lose to Obama. If you’re really serious, you’re serious enough to wait for four more years and groom yourself and really get ready.

      “You’ve not seen the real political guns on the Right. You’ve just seen the clown car, basically.”

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/life-style/people/6120071/in-a-word

      • CloakAndDagger
        December 10, 2011, 6:53 pm

        I hope that everyone who stood up for those 29 standing ovations gets booted out.

      • kma
        December 10, 2011, 8:15 pm

        truth is, republicans have to run someone to the right of Obama because otherwise the right wing prefers Obama. the problem is finding someone sane to the right of Obama. I’m serious.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 10, 2011, 10:44 pm

        interesting kma

      • kma
        December 14, 2011, 6:31 pm

        yeah, my take on the whole thing is that both parties are competing for the same capitalist interests, so the republican primary can only get stranger with the candidates vying to see who can get their nose further up the corporate butt. meanwhile, the democrats just sit back knowing they can openly pander to wall street and the MIC and still laugh at us voters because we stupidly think that the more right-wing things get, the more important it is to vote for them. the republicans used to be afraid of the unions, but not now, after the ‘citizens united’ ruling. so the republicans can go whole hog and feed the poor directly into the meat grinders of the rich, and the ‘wedge issues’ have shrunk to who loves AIPAC more.

  29. DanMazella
    December 10, 2011, 10:46 am

    The Palestinian Culture of Hate everyday supports terrorism against Israeli civilians, denies Jews have any link to Israel.
    Palmediawatch closely monitors the messages to which Palestinians are repeatedly exposed by their broadcast and print media, their school textbooks and teachers, and their political and religious leaders. The composite content of these myriad messages is a horrifying testament to just how assiduously the PA has worked to turn the minds of Palestinians into reservoirs of venom.
    But you wont hear one peep by Phil about this.
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11685
    The Palestinian Culture of Hate

    • Mooser
      December 10, 2011, 12:29 pm

      “The Palestinian Culture of Hate everyday supports terrorism against Israeli civilians, denies Jews have any link to Israel.”

      DanMazella you are a shtik fleish mit tzvei eigen

    • LeaNder
      December 10, 2011, 12:41 pm

      But you wont hear one peep by Phil about this.

      Oh my, if Phil (et al) descended to the level of Horowitz FrontPageMag you could converse with yourself in this comment section.

    • john h
      December 10, 2011, 6:43 pm

      The Palestinian Zionist Israeli Culture of Hate everyday supports terrorism against Israeli Palestinian civilians, denies Jews Palestinians have any link to Israel right to their own land of Palestine.

      • john h
        December 10, 2011, 11:15 pm

        From another thread, Dan:

        Bumblebye says:
        December 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm

        Israel.
        Raises and teaches its kids to hate implacably then sends them out to maim and kill the ‘objects’ of national hate.

        Uses worldwide co-religionists to fund its evil enterprise and buy off the politicians of its sponsor nation.
        Israel = EVIL

  30. DanMazella
    December 10, 2011, 11:06 am

    Everyone knows that the Palis are descendants of Ishmael… no, wait.. descendents of the Caananites…, hold on… no, the descendents of the Philistines! Yeah, that’s the ticket!

    • CloakAndDagger
      December 10, 2011, 11:21 am

      Could you please, how do I say this politely, fuck off?

      Phil, I think this troll has littered the threads enough without any useful information or discussion. I vote for letting the door hit him on his posterior, post-haste.

    • lysias
      December 10, 2011, 12:35 pm

      If they’re the descendants of any of those (and they’re very likely descended from all of them, except maybe Ishmael,) they’ve been in Palestine for well over 2,000 years. Which means they have as much — or more — right to be in Palestine as the Israeli Jews.

      Unless, that is, you rely on a religious argument about a promise made by God.

    • Woody Tanaka
      December 10, 2011, 7:58 pm

      “Everyone knows that the Palis are descendants of Ishmael”

      “Palis”?? Fuck you, bigot. How would you like it if people started flinging around “Heeb” and “kike”?

  31. Chu
    December 10, 2011, 12:52 pm

    Silverstein has a great rebuttal to Newt
    ” In the same sense that Americans were an invented people in 1776, and Israelis were an invented people in 1948, and Germany was an invented people before Bismarck came along circa 1870 and united a bunch of disparate city states and principalities into a German nation (not to mention Italy which underwent the same transformation during roughly the same period through the inspiration of Garibaldi).”

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/

  32. Kathleen
    December 10, 2011, 1:01 pm

    If we go with Gingrich’s delusional thinking then Jewish history does not exist in the region either. Ging rick is throwing a grenade into the debate.

    Have you ever looked at old atlas’s, UN historical documents Palestine Palestine Palestine.

    Did you ever watch the Hollywood made film “Exodus” with Paul Newman. They mention Palestine about 50 times. Even the Hollywood film makers referred to Palestine as Palestine

  33. dumvitaestspesest
    December 10, 2011, 1:02 pm

    Here is a very interesting video:
    “In 2001 Netenyahu was talking to a family in the West Bank settlement of Ofra. While he thought the cameras weren’t running he let his true colours really shine through and boasted about derailing the Oslo peace process, described American forieng policy as easily manipulated and said the only way to deal with the Palestinians was “beat them up, not once but repeatedly, beat them up so it hurts so badly, until it’s unbearable.”

    In a way, he is right.
    Americans ,on average ,are very naive, not interested in politics, easy to divide, easy to seduce and delude. The culture in which sex , entartainment, narcissism and consumpcionism are the main priorities, is very easy to conquer. The country– in which men ,instead of being the defenders, honorable warriors, became wimps, wusses ,who focus on their career, getting a hot ,new babe, or a bottle of beer and a sleazy computer game, and women, instead of being respectable, smart , classy ladies, became a mixture of always available , silicone puffed , empty headed , look concerned schmattas ,whose lives involve around me, me, me–is doomed to fail.
    “An nescis, mi fili, quantilla sapientia mundus regatur?” – “Don’t you know , my
    son, how little wisdom rules the world?”

    • dbroncos
      December 10, 2011, 11:46 pm

      dumvitaestspesest:
      “Americans, on average, are very naive, not interested in politics, easy to divide, easy to seduce and delude.”

      Yes, and our leadership is a reflection of the American electorate.

      • Citizen
        December 11, 2011, 1:01 pm

        I agree with this assessment re the average American. It’s also been true of natives of every other country. There’s a reason why big bankers rule internationally.

  34. Kathleen
    December 10, 2011, 1:06 pm

    Phil did you watch Simon Sebag Montefiore on Charlie Rose on his new book “”Jerusalem: the Biography” He talks about digs where they are finding a great deal of Cannanite anthropological evidence that pre dates any Jewish history.

    Who is writing the book ,conducting the digs, economically supporting any efforts sure seems to determine the spin

  35. MHughes976
    December 10, 2011, 1:21 pm

    The opposite of ‘invented’ (deliberately brought into existence) would be ‘discovered’ (found to be in existence before we looked), I suppose. The criteria for this difference aren’t explained by Newt or by anyone on his side, as far as I can see.
    I don’t know how important the difference is supposed to be. When an empire breaks up, with its different provinces remaining in some degree recognisable and distinct, the inhabitants of each province surely form ‘a people’, in the sense of a group who can’t avoid having common interests, especially in agreeing on a government or in agreeing to split up into smaller units without bloodshed – if they can. (In fifth century Britain this proved difficult.)
    I think that many ancestors of the present Palestinians must have been in Palestine from time immemorial. (I think the book on ancient Canaan by Jonathan Tubb of the British Museum is quite good.) Many would have been called Edomites or Hurrians or Philistines or Samarians – many would have been called Israelites. There are no records of mass mortality or mass expulsions, only of mass conversions. But of course it is not ancient history, or the way that individuals were grouped together 3,000 years ago, that confers rights on the Palestinians. It’s their presence – anyone will discover them who looks, already there – as real individuals here and now, born and bred in the place.

  36. eee
    December 10, 2011, 2:47 pm

    The Palestinians recently self determined themselves as a nation. Before 1948 most viewed themselves as part of greater Syria. However, the self determination of the Palestinians must be respected. If they say they are a nation, they are a nation.

    Many people on this blog do not show the same respect to what Jews say and that is of course hypocritical. There are two nations, the Jewish one and the Palestinian one and they have to reach an historical compromise and live in peace. Denying the nationhood of either, is not going to get anyone anywhere.

    • patm
      December 10, 2011, 3:00 pm

      There are two nations, the Jewish one and the Palestinian one and they have to reach an historical compromise and live in peace.

      There is a difference between a ‘Jewish’ nation and a ‘Palestinian’ nation. Can you tell us what that difference is 3e?

    • eljay
      December 10, 2011, 3:01 pm

      >> Many people on this blog do not show the same respect to what Jews say …

      What Jews say is one thing. What Zio-supremacists say is another. The two are not necessarily the same thing.

      >> There are two nations, the Jewish one and the Palestinian one …

      The thief and his victim.

      >> … and they have to reach an historical compromise and live in peace.

      eee’s definition of “an historical compromise”: “Give us what we want, or we will take it from you.”

    • Peter H
      December 10, 2011, 3:25 pm

      The Palestinians recently self determined themselves as a nation. Before 1948 most viewed themselves as part of greater Syria. However, the self determination of the Palestinians must be respected. If they say they are a nation, they are a nation.

      This is just not true. Read Baruch Kimmerling & Joel’s Migdal “The Palestinian People: A History” or Rashid Khalidi’s “Palestinian Identity”.

    • Cliff
      December 10, 2011, 3:27 pm

      There is no Jewish nation. There is an Israeli nation.

      Jews existed before Israel. The only identity created was the Israeli identity.

      And cite where ‘most Palestinians’ self-identified as Syrians.

    • patm
      December 10, 2011, 6:54 pm

      “The Palestinians recently self determined themselves as a nation. Before 1948 most viewed themselves as part of greater Syria.

      Have a look at this ancient map of greater Syria. Palestine is clearly indicated, right where you Zionists don’t want it to be. Will you ever stop telling lies, 3e?

      http://0.tqn.com/d/ancienthistory/1/0/H/f/2/Syria.jpg

    • RoHa
      December 10, 2011, 7:17 pm

      “There are two nations, the Jewish one and the Palestinian one and they have to reach an historical compromise and live in peace. Denying the nationhood of either, is not going to get anyone anywhere.”

      What do you mean by “nation”? In the sense that I understand the word, neither the Jews nor the Palestinians are nations.

    • Mooser
      December 11, 2011, 1:02 pm

      “Many people on this blog do not show the same respect to what Jews say….”

      Wait a minute, did I take a wrong turn? Isn’t this blog owned by and mostly written by Jews? Anybody who comes here comes here to listen (to some degree) to what Jews say.
      Look, eee, why don’t you start a blog and publish a daily listing of who is and isn’t a Jew?

      • RoHa
        December 11, 2011, 7:14 pm

        “Isn’t this blog owned by and mostly written by Jews?”

        Not since eee excommunicated most of them.

        (Including you. You’re one of us, now, goyboy.
        Did you remember to sign up for the mandatory anti-Semitism class?)

      • Mooser
        December 12, 2011, 11:31 am

        “Including you. You’re one of us, now, goyboy”

        As a ruminative ungulate, I am exempt from your species’ petty squabbles. Don’t try to drag me into them.
        But if I need to know anything about anti-Semitism, I’ll ask Gilad Atzmon. He seems to think all Jews are just like Israelis.

      • Citizen
        December 12, 2011, 1:06 pm

        Mooser, not sure your general comment about Gilad Atzmon is even ostensibly true. In his book, The Wandering Who, he asks the question, at p. 189, in his Epilogue, “Can Jewish politics drift away from supremacy?” I think it is fair to say that Atzmon detects a supremacist approach even in many Jews (especially the ones that have “stalked him” over the years), and, he thinks, slurred his name, who are not Israelis or Zionists, or “Pro-Israel” commentators. He says he wants “Jewish ideology (not merely Israeli or Zionist ideology) to universalise (sic) itself and for Jews to move on and emancipate themselves.” He says he wants Jews to engage the self in a “vigorous and honest process of self-reflection.”

    • Citizen
      December 11, 2011, 1:05 pm

      eee, please look at the comparative data on the Jewish & Arab population in Palestine Mandate since, say, the Balfour Declaration.

    • eGuard
      December 11, 2011, 3:34 pm

      eee: The Palestinians self determined themselves as a nation.

      Top that, Richard Witty. (Anyone seen him ’round lately?).

    • Citizen
      December 13, 2011, 8:13 am

      eee, how do you know that “many people on this blog do not show the same respect to what Jews say”? I come here to find out what interested and interesting people think because MW is the most open forum on important issues generally taboo in my country’s mainstream media, issues that this web site specifically addresses. How do you spot a Jew here, or a non-Jew? That yellow star by some commenters’ names is not a star of David, and the lack of it has nothing to do with who is a Jew or not either.
      Some regulars here have stated they are Jews, or not Jews–me, for example. But some have not over the years. You have some special radar you invented? If so, you could patent it and make millions merely by your ability to answer conclusively as between Jews themselves as to who is a real Jew, and who is not really a Jew.

      I respect what some self-identified Jews here say, and what some other self-identified Jews say here I don’t respect because what they say does not deserve it in light of what I myself know. What one says either deserves serious consideration or it may not. That’s true anywhere.

  37. DICKERSON3870
    December 10, 2011, 8:45 pm

    RE: “Gingrich says Palestinians are an ‘invented people’ ” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Then why did the Zionists establish a newspaper in 1932 and name it “The Palestine Post”? How did they dream up that name?

    FROM WIKIPEDIA (excerpts):

    ‘The Jerusalem Post’ is an Israeli daily English-language broadsheet newspaper, founded on December 1, 1932 by Gershon Agron as “The Palestine Post”
    …According to the Historical Jewish Press, ‘The Palestine Post’ was established “as part of a Zionist-Jewish initiative”, and “Zionist institutions considered the newspaper one of the most effective means of exerting influence on the British authorities”…
    …In 1950, two years after the State of Israel was declared, the paper was renamed ‘The Jerusalem Post’…

    SOURCE – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jerusalem_Post

  38. GalenSword
    December 10, 2011, 9:14 pm

    Reuse of gentilics or demonyms is hardly unusual in the European context, and Patrick J. Geary summarizes practice in The Myth of Nations, The Medieval Origins of Europe, pp. 118-119. His analysis applies at least as much to the term Jew (יְהוּדִי) as it applies to any European ethnic name.

    Conclusion: Old Names and New Peoples

    The fourth and fifth centuries saw fundamental changes in the European social and political fabric. In the process, great confederations like those of the Goths disappeared, to re-emerge transformed into kingdoms in Italy and Gaul. Others like the Hunnic Empire or the Vandal kingdom seemed to spring from nowhere, only to vanish utterly in a few generations. Still other, previously obscure peoples, such as the Angles and the Franks, emerged to create enduring polities. But whether enduring or ephemeral, the social realities behind these ethnic names underwent rapid and radical transformation in every case. Whatever a Goth was in the third-century kingdom of Cniva, the reality of a Goth in sixthcentury Spain was far different, in language, religion, political and social organization, even ancestry. The Franks defeated by Emperor Julian in the fourth century and those who followed Clovis into battle in the sixth century were likewise almost immeasurably distant from each other in every possible way. The same was true of the Romans, whose transformation was no less dramatic in the same period. With the constant shifting of allegiances, intermarriages, transformations, and appropriations, it appears that all that remained constant were names, and these were vessels that could hold different contents at different times.

    Names were renewable resources; they held the potential to convince people of continuity, even if radical discontinuity was the lived reality. Old names, whether of ancient peoples like the Goths or Suebi or of illustrious families such as the Amals, could be reclaimed, applied to new circumstances, and used as rallying cries for new powers. Alternatively, names of small, relatively unimportant groups might be expanded with enormous power. The Franks were the most significant of these. In the third century, they were among the least significant of Rome’s enemies. By the sixth century, the name Frank had eclipsed not only that of Goth, Vandal, and Sueb, but of Roman itself in much of the West.

    Probably no greater fraud has ever been perpetrated in the history of the human race than Zionism.

    It has corrupted many American Christians, who now believe that the theft of Palestine from the native population by racist genocidal Eastern Europeans represents a fulfilment of eschatological prophesy even though a more reasonable interpretation would equate the exiled Palestinians, who are the descendants of the ancient Judean population, with the population that needs to return with the coming of the Messiah.

    • RoHa
      December 11, 2011, 8:43 pm

      “the name Frank had eclipsed not only that of Goth”

      I’m pretty sure there are plenty of Goths around who aren’t named “Frank”. At least among the Goth girls.

  39. cosmopolite
    December 10, 2011, 10:52 pm

    But the Jews themselves are also a bit “invented,” especially if one believes in the Kazar business. (I am not qualified to have an opinion on Kazaria.) Can one truly say that the Ashkenazim, Sephardim and Mizrahim are all the “same people”? And the Jews of East Africa?

  40. Cliff
    December 11, 2011, 2:47 am

    Gingrich during the debate:

    “Is what I said factually correct? Yes. Is it historically true? Yes,” Gingrich said during a candidate debate in which he drew applause for asserting that it was time someone spoke the truth about the nature of Israel’s struggle with the Palestinians.

    […]“Somebody ought to have the courage to tell the truth. These people are terrorists,” he said. “It’s fundamentally time for somebody to have the guts to stand up and say, ‘Enough lying about the Middle East.’”

  41. J. Otto Pohl
    December 11, 2011, 4:49 am

    Gingrich really does seem clueless for somebody with a PhD in history. All nations are of course invented, Israel much more so than most including Palestine. But, really his whole shtick is just a rehash of Golda Meyerson’s attempt to erase the national existence of the Palestinian people from public discourse many years ago. It isn’t even original. I wrote a bit longer blog post on this subject yesterday morning. My blog, Otto’s Random Thoughts can be found at the url below.

    http://jpohl.blogspot.com

  42. Mooser
    December 11, 2011, 1:08 pm

    Who wants to bet me ($10K?) that before it’s over there will be anti-Semitic tweets or e-mails from Gingrich or his campaign staff exposed?
    Me, I’ve never, ever met an obsequiously philo-Semitic person who didn’t, as soon as he thought Moishe wasn’t listening, turn out to be the opposite. It never, ever fails.
    And that formula, the apparent philo-Semite who turns out to be the opposite, doesn’t just apply to non-Jews.
    Just sit back and wait.

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