Kampeas: Jewish neocons are more than 2 degrees removed from Bush’s decision to invade Iraq

Ron Kampeas
Ron Kampeas

Yesterday I posted a question that I’d sent to Ron Kampeas of JTA: why is it that the Walt and Mearsheimer thesis, that the Israel lobby played a crucial role in pushing the Iraq war, has become more and more mainstream in recent months/years?

Kampeas sent me an answer on Facebook yesterday and then posted his response at JTA. Here it is:

Short answer, no, it has not become acceptable in mainstream discourse because it is still not true, and yes, it at least flirts with anti-Semitism. Long answer after the jump, with a couple of small modifications to the Facebook message I sent him.

A) Do I think the Walt-Mearsheimer position, specifically on the centrality of pro-Israel feelings by Jews spurring the Iraq War, has prevailed?

No, especially because Stephen Walt himself has dialed it back. See here

You also mischaracterize M.S. of the Economist (I’m told his name is Matt Steinglass) — he does not quite say “the Iraq war was fostered by neoconservatives concerned with Israel’s security;” he says, “It’s entirely accurate to count neoconservative policy analyses as among the important causes of the war, to point out that the pro-Israeli sympathies of Jewish neoconservatives played a role in these analyses, and to note the support of the Israeli government and public for the invasion.”

So there’s an “among the important causes” there — and even that refers to the holistic role of the neoconservatives and not just their Israel sympathies. So Jewish neoconservatives and their Jewishness are two degrees removed from being the cause, according to his formulation. But even he is wrong.

The Bush administration was determined to invade Iraq. It pitched the invasion to a number of constituencies it saw as important to making the case; like any good salesman, it didn’t use the same pitch twice, it tailored the sale to the target.

So Democrats, always seeking national security credibility, got the terrorism argument. The media, always seeking the next mortal threat, got that. Liberals who have embraced intervention as a means of preventing slaughter, got the Kurdish argument. And pro-Israel groups and Jews and Israel got the threat to Israel.

None of these arguments stood up, and to lesser and greater degrees each of these constituencies paid a price for being duped. Among Democrats, Joe Lieberman is leaving office and Hillary Clinton is not president. Among journalists, Judith Miller and Howell Raines are not at the New York Times and Bill Keller is apologizing. Among liberal hawks, Peter Beinart is shreying gevalt, and Jeffrey Goldberg is still engaged in protracted defenses, and Tom Friedman more or less admits he was duped. And in the Jewish world, the pro-Israel movement is now dealing with J Street — an outcome explainable in part, I think, by distrust in the Jewish establishment engendered by its Iraq War support. (I should note that the manifestation of that support varied widely depending upon the group, from deeply qualified to enthusiastic.)

So yes, there has been a consequence for Jewish officialdom for being talked into backing the war — but you’re mistaking that as a consequence for the pro-Israel movement being central to advancing the war. There is no such consequence because its premise is simply not true.

The Bush administration invaded Iraq principally because it was attached to a policy of maintaining U.S. preeminence in a vitally important region. This policy was cut from the same cloth as GOP/neoconservative clamoring for a tougher posture vis-a-vis Putin, the same cloth as the championing of Taiwan, the same cloth as the decades old isolation of Cuba. 

B) Anti-Semitism can be defined as toxic myths attached to Jews. There are two at work in your thesis here:

1) Jews act only to advance their own interests. They do and they don’t — it’s wildly complicated — but not more than any other special interest in an American polity that is highly susceptible to special interest pressure.

2) Jews send others to die in fruitless wars. Maybe the Iraq war was fruitless — we’ll see — but its motor was not the Jews, it was not Israel. It was a specifically American self-perception of this nation’s preeminence in the world, for better or worse, identifiable as early as Woodrow Wilson’s presidency, if not as early as the Barbary Coast. Both historical identifiers, you’ll note, predate Israel’s existence.

Good debate. Some quick responses: I am informed that Robert Kaplan at the Atlantic has a giant and largely positive profile of John Mearsheimer coming out this week, acknowledging Mearsheimer’s leadership and creativity as a student of history. Huh. What’s that about– the march of history…

Kampeas misquotes the Economist. What M.S. wrote crucially is that “any analysis of the war’s causes that didn’t take these [factors] into account would be deficient”– and those factors were the Jewishness of the neocons.

No one ever said that Cheney and Bush and Rumsfeld didn’t start the war. They started the war. No one said that some of these planners didn’t have a deluded American interest in mind that had nothing to do with Israel. The irresponsibility that Kampeas is exhibiting here is the claim that ideas are not important in such matters. The best and brightest fostered the Vietnam war for some reasons I haven’t studied; and in this instance, the idea that was relentlessly promoted by the neoconservatives was the claim that by imposing democracy by force on an Arab nation of importance, democracy would take hold across the region. This was a very powerful and very stupid idea. It held sway. It affected Ken Pollack and Tom Friedman deeply.

And I won’t go into it here, because I  have done so at length on other occasions, but neoconservativism came out of the Jewish community, and its forefathers Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz specifically formulated the school because they feared that a weak American military program would drive a knife into Israel, as Kristol framed it. In the runup to the Iraq war, neoconservatives, who were to be sure not only Jewish, pushed the Iraq war because they said Israel’s war against terror is our war. In countless manifestos for the war (Paul Berman, Kristol and Kaplan, Wurmser, Frum, Perle), Saddam’s actions against Israel in supporting suicide bombers were described as a threat to the west. Israel was on their minds. The irresponsibility of the Kampeas claim is as absurd as a defense of an arsonist who went around a neighborhood urging people to burn down someone’s house that it wasn’t he who put the gas soaked rags on the house. It reflects a belief that Jewish actions don’t have agency in history. No, it is the rulers, the czars, who move history. We are bystanders or victims. This is a misrepresentation of our great tradition in the 20th century, a refusal to recognize that great Jewish bankers putting pressure on American presidents freed my ancestors from pogroms in Russia, and ignorance of the schoolchild’s truth, The pen is mightier than the sword. Some Jews wielding pens have a lot of power in this country, and some of them have acted out of what Irving Kristol described as a “Jewish interest” to protect Israel, and this makes it more important than ever that Jews who don’t see separatism (Zionism) as being in their interest dissociate themselves from the neoconservative agenda and repudiate it. Which is happening.

I am really pleased to learn that people are suffering for having supported the Iraq war. Not that I want anyone to suffer. It’s new year’s! But it is important that there is accountability for bad ideas.

On the anti-Semitism stuff, alas, the neocons have endangered the Jewish presence in the west through their selfish interest. The beauty of this moment is that a lot of great Jews have been called by the neocons’ error to celebrate Jewish integration in western societies. 
 

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http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqmiddleeast2000-1997.htm

Interesting to go back to 1997 thru 2005 and look at how the head neo’s were pushing both Iraq and Iran.

Phil: I am really pleased to learn that people are suffering for having supported the Iraq war. Not that I want anyone to suffer. It’s new year’s! But it is important that there is accountability for bad ideas.

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These people cheerleaded for wars that have killed upwards of a million people. Losing your job at the NY Times does not constitute suffering.

Aggressive war is not a “bad idea” – its a crime. Probably the biggest, and its been understood as such since the Nuremberg Trials.

And, if as Phil says, Jewish influence, by way of the pen, is such a big part of the problem – I have a remedy: Ask those who cheerlead for war from their keyboards if they have ever been in the service, and if they have ever been near war.

And just like that, your Bill Kristol problem is solved. To be sure, the idea of a trust fund baby who inherited his position in life advocating others to fight and die is disgusting – but not nearly as disgusting as those who would actually listen to the guy.

P. Weiss: “… and in this instance, the idea that was relentlessly promoted by the neoconservatives was the claim that by imposing democracy by force on an Arab nation of importance, democracy would take hold across the region. This was a very powerful and very stupid idea. It held sway.”

This ‘mposing democracy’ argument could also have been a ruse to conceal the less palatable motive of getting the US to take out a major enemy of Israel. Certainly the Zionist Neocons knew that Cheney/Rumsfeld and Bush as well as the non-Zionist Neocons couldn’t be sold on the latter argument so perhaps they crafted and promoted the ‘imposing democracy’ argument or motive as it better fed into the egos of the hard-line Republicans and Scoop Jackson Democrats.

I think it is important to remember that the ‘take out Iraq’ concept grew out of the 1996 “Clean Break” strategy which was devised by the Zionist Neocons to ‘secure the realm’ of ISRAEL, not protect the US. That this strategy then morphed into US policy and that the major designers of ‘Clean Break’ ended up in key positions in the Bush administration helping to influence and instigate this policy is no mere coincidence in my mind.

The following is excerpted from my comment in the earlier thread on this topic, “You don’t write, you don’t call (Ron Kampeas version)”:

Paul Pillar, in his new book, Intelligence and U.S. Foreign Policy, does a pretty thorough analysis of the motivations behind the Iraq war. He shows how the Bush administration was looking for a reason to invade Iraq from day 1 in its first staff meetings. He also shows how neocons use faulty intelligence on WMD as a smokescreen for their true motives which preceded the whole intelligence stove piping games. In other words, the motive for the war was never based on the supposed existance and threat of Iraqi WMD, but instead was aimed at recreating Iraq as a democratic show horse to undermine ME totalitarianism, and to assert and demonstrate US power to potential adversaries (according to Pillar). Or, if you follow the trail from ‘Clean Break’, the motive may have been to protect Israel and enhance its interests.

Pillar thoroughly covers the Zionist Neocon connections: Wolfowitz, Feith, Wurmser, Perle, Kristol, et al, from PNAC through the Bush administration, but then fails to connect the dots and concludes:

“Sympathy for Israeli interests probably was not the principal motivator in the decision to launch the Iraq War, but it did play an important supporting role. Images of a foreign problem such as Iraq that are most important to U.S. interests are not necessarily those most important to the interests of Israel or any other foreign state. Thus, some policymakers probably gave less attention or weight than U.S. interests warranted to, say, the American human and material resources required for the postinvasion occupation of Iraq because they had Israeli interests (or their particular conception of those interests) and not just U.S. interests at heart.” (p. 24; Perseus Books Group. Kindle Edition).

Pillar seems to feel that Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush came up with the Iraq invasion on their own and that the Zionist Neocons had little direct influence:

“But the concept did not solely belong to the neocons. It probably was a major motivation for Vice President Cheney and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, who are best labeled not as neoconservatives, but instead, according to one study of policymaking in the Bush administration, as ‘assertive nationalists’.” (p. 19).

I suspect Pillar is covering his bets here and shrouding his beliefs behind some well-crafted weasel words. This seems to be a common CYA position, that the Israel connection to the Iraq war is only indirect and that the Zionist Neocon influence is overstated.

There are several problems with this position: The first is that the Iraq war concept came initially from the Zionist Neocons (via the ‘Clean Break’ strategy letter in 1996) who were then joined by the rest of the Neocons (1998). The pressure for an invasion then grew by leaps and bounds.

The second problem is that the key drafters of the original Iraq war policy documents were Zionist Neocons who then were awarded positions of high influence in the Bush administration (Wolfowitz, Feith, Wurmser, etc.). To suggest this is coincidental seems quite a stretch.

I think the key to this puzzle can be found in finding who influenced and convinced Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush on the need for an Iraq war. I suspect it must have been a very heavy effort on the part of the Neocons, and particularly those who were promoting the war primarily or even secondarily for Israel’s sake, but I have not encountered any discussion of this in my readings. This, to me, is the one remaining big mystery. Maybe there is no connection and the war was a Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush gambit, but I remain a sceptic. I hope others, more informed than me, will continue this discussion.

Gil Maguire

I think you should accept the refutation of your thesis in this article, and earlier by Norman Finkelstein, in interview with Chris Hedges on his site.

I assume you saw it.

from my angle as an ordinary citizen, in the run up to the iraq war it wasn’t primarily the behind the scenes actions and pressures of the lobby/neocons to influence the government, it was ‘the pen is mightier than the sword’. it was stoking the flames to get the american public behind attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. and that was done thru the media. over and over and over these guys were given free reign, a platform to spread everything from islamophobia to hysterics about wmd’s while any other mindframe was effectively smothered.

this was calculated and carefully nurtured. who could forget the line in the rolling stone..ron s..brain malfunctioning..argh..about the people just watching what happens of finding out and they write history or something. whatever. the stove piping the office of special plans..the weekly iraq groups..they were determined already on the inside but it was the platform the media provides them and still provides them to this day. why do the neocons have to much preeminence in the pundit class..in the media?

and as for behind the scenes stuff, don’t forget the iraq national congress

Chalabi was also part of a three-man executive council for the umbrella Iraqi opposition group, the Iraqi National Congress (INC), created in 1992 for the purpose of fomenting the overthrow of Iraqi president Saddam Hussein.

Initially, Chalabi enjoyed close political and business relationships with some members of the U.S. government, including some prominent neoconservatives within the Pentagon. Chalabi is said to have had political contacts within the Project for the New American Century, most notably with Paul Wolfowitz, a student of nuclear strategist Albert Wohlstetter, and Richard Perle.

the neocons were greasing the wheels for war from every angle. they were way ahead of the game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Chalabi