Lt. Gen. Frank Gorenc, (center front) Commander of the U.S. Third Air Force on a visit to Israeli combat lab near Tel Aviv, December 2011 (Photo: Israeli Air Force)
On Dec 20 Jerusalem Post reported thousands of American soldiers were deploying to Israel to take part in the "the largest-ever missile defense exercise" in Israel's history. So far, the U.S. media is not covering it, but Iran sure is.
From the Jerusalem Post:
Israel is moving forward with plans to hold the largest-ever missile defense exercise in its history this spring amid Iranian efforts to obtain nuclear weapons.
Last week, Lt.-Gen. Frank Gorenc, commander of the US’s Third Air Force based in Germany, visited Israel to finalize plans for the upcoming drill, expected to see the deployment of several thousand American soldiers in Israel.
The drill, which is unprecedented in its size, will include the establishment of US command posts in Israel and IDF command posts at EUCOM headquarters in Germany – with the ultimate goal of establishing joint task forces in the event of a large-scale conflict in the Middle East.The US will also bring its THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) and shipbased Aegis ballistic missile defense systems to Israel to simulate the interception of missile salvos against Israel.
Iran is pissed. A few days after that announcement they began a 10 day drill in Strait of Hormuz that ended yesterday, it's gotten lots of press in the U.S., and yet no mention of the US troop deployment to Israel ever. Here's WAPO's Iran army chief warns US aircraft carrier not to return to Persian Gulf in new tough rhetoric
Iranian officials have said the drill aimed to show that Iran could close the vital oil passage, as it has threatened to do if the United States enacts strong new sanctions over Iran’s nuclear program.
Gen. Ataollah Salehi spoke as a 10-day Iranian naval exercise ended near the Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Gulf. Iranian officials have said the drill aimed to show that Iran could close the vital oil passage, as it has threatened to do if the United States enacts strong new sanctions over Iran’s nuclear program.
“We recommend to the American warship that passed through the Strait of Hormuz and went to Gulf of Oman not to return to the Persian Gulf,” Salehi was quoted as saying by the state news agency IRNA.
He said Iran’s enemies have understood the message of the naval exercises, saying, “We have no plan to begin any irrational act but we are ready against any threat.”
Oil prices have already shot up.
(Hat tip Esther Riley)
Israel driving US foreign Policy. Enough! When will anyone demand that Israel sign the NPT and stop daily threats against Iran. The US and Israel doing their best to create an incident. On the BBC they just mentioned Victoria Nulands press conference today. She was talking about “tightening the noose around Iran” As Mearsheimer said to me when I met and talked with him years ago..”Israel and the I lobby own the US”
The US and Israel doing their best to create an incident.
you know what i notice, while the msm is no slack wrt reporting the 10-day Iranian naval exercise, by not mentioning the leak of the report on the 21st (4 days before those straight of hormuz exercises started) it sounds like iran initiated the tension.
the exercises make much more sense knowing thousands of US soldiers are deploying to israel.
Where have you seen heard all of this coverage of Irans 10 day naval exercise? Not on Fox, CNN, MSNBC. I have read about it in the guardialn, etc, blogs but very little on MS cable. You comment “it sounds like Iran initiated the tension” shows a lack of perspective that is astounding.Iran has been responding in self defense. Israel has been threatening Iran for 8 long years along with the Israeli lobby in congress. The I lobby has been working on destructive sancitons for years in the US congress . How many times have you heard Iran say they are going to attack Israel? 0 . I have heard Israeli officials threaten Iran almost weekly. I have heard US congress members threaten Iran almost weekly. I have heard Victoria Nuland threaten Iran almost weekly.The MSM has gone along with this “ratcheting up” of the inflammatory rhetoric
and almost daily threats. This is Israel and the I lobbies doing there is no way around this.
Here you go f
link to timesunion.com
You comment “it sounds like Iran initiated the tension” shows a lack of perspective that is astounding
perhaps i did not express myself clearly kathleen..or perhaps you didn’t read it correctly. i will say it again:
“by not mentioning the leak of the report on the 21st (4 days before those straight of hormuz exercises started) it sounds like iran initiated the tension.”
iow, because the msm did NOT mention the news of the deployment of troops (which clearly iran MUST HAVE KNOWN) it makes it sound AS THO iran initiated the tension. whereas, had they reported that the exercises took place 4 days after the reporting of the deployment, it would have put it in perspective, that the exercises were a response to the realization the US was deploying thousands of troops to the region for the purpose of warring exercises w/israel.
i cannot recall when i first heard of the exercises but i recall first reading about them over a week ago. also they were reported in the msm news last night when i was at my mothers watching the iowa caucus news. it didn’t occur to me that was the first it was n the evening news. i generally don’t watch tv news. here is a report from dec 25th
Iran begins naval drills in Strait of Hormuz
maybe i first was alerted on twitter or possibly on one of the comment threads @ moon of alabama. but i didn’t think it was huge news at the time. it’s their water as much as anyone elses, or more, so why shouldn’t they do naval exercises? that in itself was not big news to me.
Kathleen,
I think you misread Annie’s comment, to me it looks like she’s saying that the media intentionally avoided mentioning the news of US military exercise and tried to paint Iran as the party that increased the tensions first.
Here’s her comment (emphasis mine)
you know what i notice, while the msm is no slack wrt reporting the 10-day Iranian naval exercise, by not mentioning the leak of the report on the 21st (4 days before those straight of hormuz exercises started) it sounds like iran initiated the tension.
thank you optimist!
kathleen, here is another more casual reference @ abc news from 12/29
link to abcnews.go.com
also, my mom doesn’t have cable. i think we were watching SF kgo channel 5. there are tons of reports from 2 days ago if you google “iran exercises in the strait of hormez” (by web not news) there’s at least 20 google pages, go to the tenth one and you can see it was heavily reported on monday. then if you go back 18 pages you can read the even earlier from dec 26th :
Iran begins military drills in Strait of Hormuz.
US warns Iran not to block Strait of Hormuz
December 28, 2011
link to nowlebanon.com
here’s cbs on dec 28th
link to cbsnews.com
i do recall when i first heard about it i did some googling around and thought it was some sabre rattling by the US to accompany news of the iran sanctions. a ratcheting up effect. so, i wasn’t that interested in reporting it earlier because i didn’t think it was threatening in nature. i still don’t. but as soon as i read about the troop deployment i thought of it immediately.
“Israel has been threatening Iran for
8nearly 20 long years along with the Israeli lobby in congress. “1992 Ephraim Sneh made his Power Point pitch that Israel should exploit Iran’s nuclear research activities. At the time, Sneh was deputy defense minister, looking for ways to expand his budget. He convinced Knesset that Israel needed to spend more on nuclear defense capability.
By 1995, the ball had been passed to the Israel lobby. As Keith Weissman says in a conference with Richard Silverstein in Dec 2009, AIPAC wrote the Executive Order that Clinton signed, that imposed sanctions on US companies doing business with Iran — notably, Conoco’s billion dollar contract to develop South Pars oil field had to be revoked due to those AIPAC imposed sanctions.
Weissman explains that the I LObby was concerned that what an executive could enact, another executive could revoke, so they wanted the sanctions enshrined in legislation. Weissman went to work and got the D’Amato Amendment/sanctions against Libya & Iran passed by senate & house in 1996.
You’re welcome! I was surprised to see “lack of perspective that is astounding” attributed to you, I had to re-check the name and re-read your post then I thought I should add an explanation, looks like you and I both posted the response at 8:33 pm EST :)
Sorry for misinterpreting. Was surprised by what I thought you said.
The Rehm show discussed the tensions building with Iran. She has another deadly wrong Iraq warmonger on again today AEI Micheal Rubin…who was very involved with creating and disseminating false Iraq pre war intelligence. Yesterday she had David “axis of evil” Frum on. This promotion of the Iraq of Iraq warmongers who were deadly and I believe intentionally wrong is infuriating. Like there are not enough alleged experts on these issues other than the very same people who lied about WMD’s in Iraq. Not sure what is up with the Rehm team they have had former CiA middle east analsyt Flynt Levertt on in the long ago past. What is up with Diane and her team? What do they have against pepole who were spot on about the false intelligence that led the US inot Iraq. What do they have against Flynt and Hillary Mann Leverett, Professor Juan Cole. I know that powers that be actively blocked Cole from getting on the MSM in the run up to the invasion of Iraq…wondering if something is going on like tha in regard to the Leveretts. It is just so logical and reasonable to have them on a MSM program if you are looking for facts. Oh that may be the problem
Iran
link to thedianerehmshow.org
Hi,
Sorry for the slight ‘thread-hijack’, but they are directly related:
Please go read the persistent Craig Murray – this is a longer-lasting larger strategy to kill/Subordinate even more Middle Easterners.
link to craigmurray.org.uk
If you could also please link/share it as widely as possible.
Thanks in advance.
Yours kindly,
MN
ee gads kathleen, Michael Rubin and Reza Marashi as guests. she’s in the tank with the you know who. it’s quite possiblr she doesn’t even line up her own guests. don’t know what else to say about diane. i’d never even heard of her til you kept mentioning her.
no worries about that other stuff. thanks for all your efforts.
a
Hi Methuselah Now,
I agree that this needs a separate post.
All the GOP candidates for GOP (except Ron Paul) constantly say Iran has and is threatening Israel and the USA. The Big Lie is repeated, so often many Americans believe it (getting a ghostly nod from Hiter, Goebbels, Bernays). Right along with painting Israel as a tiny country surrounded by enemies who want to push it into the sea. They always express astonishment when anyone (Ron Paul, foremost) says “they hate us for our policies and conduct over there, not our freedom, life style, or wealth.”
This war will happen. Unless the Powers, that are currently ruling in the Western world , will be overthrown. But this would require a miracle.
Miracles do happen ,but very, very rarely.
Here is an example of one.
A miracle in action. Worth reading.
link to world-prayer-for-life.org
If this is not a big step towards war with Iran, then I don’t know what is. Having US troops based in close proximity is the next ratchet in this frenzy.
And you want me to believe that the commander in chief can do nothing about it?
Yeah Phil, let’s vote another 4 years for Obama – we get the president we deserve.
Obama has rolled over..totally rolled over. I don’t care how many bones he throws us Cordray etc. If they keep incrasing sanction pressure and if there is a military incident with Iran I will not only not vote for Obama I will work like hell to make sure he does not get re-elected. I know quite a few others who feel the same way.
sadly, this will move very fast once it “starts”. i think it very likely that it gets set off before 2013, so obama may not give us a chance to oust him (and for who? someone who outright promises an iran war?).
in fact, though iran would not come up much in presidential debates, it would come up, and papers would discuss it for sure. if the powers that be want war (seems so), they do NOT want to see it dragged out in a presidential election, nor do the want the masses to give it closer inspection and realize that iran is NOT a threat to the US, and not even israel (!!!).
but the iran threat about the US going back through the strait of hormuz….? really wish they did not say that. they just gave us a nice idea for a false-flag, with very flexible timing. and it also just helps anti-iran propagandists.
sy hersh link i keep pumping, very relevant to the stupid iranian comment-
link to youtube.com
ENOUGH!
What happens when the first US soldier dies in Israel?
NO US TROOPS IN ISRAEL!
Call C Span — doesn’t matter the topic, call and have a script ready : NO US TROOPS IN ISRAEL.
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Enough.
This cannot stand.
I know of US servicemen having died defending South Korea, South Vietnam, The Dominican Republic, Panama and Kuwait.
How many have died defending Israel? Numbers please.
pz777: “How many have died defending Israel? Numbers please.”
You’ve got this all back to front. Israel killed 34 US servicemen on the USS Liberty. But as a Zionist, that’s no doubt something else for you to be proud about rather than ashamed.
I wasn’t aware that the Liberty’s mission was to defend Israel. If the Liberty’s mission was to defend Israel than please offer your proofs.
How many have died defending Israel? Numbers please.
we already went to war for israel in iraq, tho it wasn’t defensive just like it won’t be defensive if we attack iran for israel. but that is hardly the point. teta mother me never made any claims about US soldiers dying for israel nor did libra. that is why libra countered w/’You’ve got this all back to front. ‘
no one here is required to answer your question.
Really? United States went to war for Israel. I thought the United States went to war in Iraq in response to the 9/11 attack. I wasn’t aware of the threat Iraq posed to Israel post-2001. Please inform me exactly what prompted the United States to go to war for Israel and why?
No. I asked the question ‘How many US servicemen died defending Isreal?’
I still await an answer.
241 died due to a mess directly caused by israel’s belligerent and meddlesome actions in the region. that could count as defending israel, in an indirect manner, as they worked to stabilize an area destabilized by israel.
link to en.wikipedia.org
but i’ll accept that they did not die “defending israel”, i can only state they died indirectly, “because of israel”. if israel made a just peace deal, we would stop dying due to israel’s BS, and this blog would not exist. step back a bit and stop lawyering US deaths, and put that mind to better purposes.
and you are correct, israel murdered the men on the USS liberty, so that was not defending israel. i suppose it is much worse. and who knows what would happen if the ship sank, as intended, and egypt was blamed….
“what prompted the United States to go to war for Israel and why?”
Hollings Says Iraq War Was Launched in Large Part to Secure Israel
link to mondoweiss.net
“Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right”
- from the wonderful “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” – the gift that gives even more as time goes on and the influence and allegiance of: Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, Jonathan Torop, David Wurmser, Meyrav Wurmser, …….becomes better known and the influence it and its proponents had on the Bush regime becomes evident through the memoirs that dribble out from time to time.
Steve Walt has a remarkable summation here:
link to walt.foreignpolicy.com
But let us leave the last word to Netanyahu, speaking before before the US Senate, Washington, 10 April 2002:
“Clearly, the urgent need to topple Sadaam is paramount. The commitment of America and Britain to dismantle this terrorist dictatorship before it obtains nuclear weapons deserves the unconditional support of all sane governments.”
link to netanyahu.org
Case f**king closed.
“United States went to war for Israel. I thought the United States went to war in Iraq in response to the 9/11″
THAT WAS THE LIE PROVIDED BY YOUR FRIENDS NEOCON ZIONISTS!!!!!!!!!
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The real reason was ISRAEL’S lingering PARANOIA that Saddam would restart a nuclear program and the fact that he was providing funding to Palestinians!!!
Zionists have brought exactly the same accusations against Iran now and have harangued the U.S. for years to execute another slaughter in Iran.
See what Zionists do, they attack people like Ron Paul, countries and innocent people therein BASED ON PARANOIA AND SUSPICION ALONE!
Shameful, disgusting and criminal.
Collaborative push from neo, oil, theo cons
“no one here is required to answer your question.”
No. I asked the question ‘How many US servicemen died defending Isreal?
I still await an answer.”
‘no’ what pz? you lobby traps and we fall in? (btw, it is spelled israel, not isreal). whay would you be waiting for an answer?
I wasn’t aware of the threat Iraq posed to Israel post-2001.
me neither, nor did i allege they did. in fact i clearly stated “it wasn’t defensive just like it won’t be defensive if we attack iran for israel
‘not defensive’ means iraq did not pose a threat to israel. it’s that pretense of threat israel loves clutching on to like an ol lady w/her pearls. i have to agree w/ Djinn here: speak to your doctor about getting help for those auditory hallucinations you seem to regularly be responding to in your posts .
now run along.
Proudzionist777 – speak to your doctor about getting help for those auditory hallucinations you seem to regularly be responding to in your posts here. Seroquel might be in order.
How many have died defending Israel? Numbers please.
Well how many Israelis have died in actual combat while defending Israel on their own side of the Green Line under the Abbas regime? Numbers please.
Reality check. I’ll wager that none of our brave people in uniform will be eligible for combat pay (imminent danger pay) during the up-coming deployment. Go figure.
So glad your are pushing action Teta. Washington Journal is getting hit hard with calls criticizing Israel and this push for another war. Camera Cspan watch can not keep up with the phone calls.
Call your Reps. No to more sanctions against Iran tell them you are pissed off that they voted for the Kirk/Menendez amendment wrapped up in the Defense package that Obama signed this past Saturday. No to a military strike on Iran. They have the Americans who are paying attention wound up in knots. Kind of out of Iraq and now more sabre ratttling towards Iran
Please stop implying that Obama is the victim in all this.
If he is this weak he has no business running the country. His gutless pandering has serious consequences for the people of the Middle East including Palestinians.
One more thing, all the more reason to support Ron Paul in every way all the way and allow his platform to be debated over and over in the mainstream.
Please stop putting words in my mouth that I have never said
And more of our children will be sent to die fighting for what exactly? How is Iran a threat? Are they more threatening than the Soviet Union? Than missiles in Cuba? Than a nuclear-armed North Korea? Does anyone in the US foreign policy establishment have any sense of perspective?
This is all about Israel. Israel and the Israeli lobby are totally at fault here. Push back hard.
I think that a well reasoned fear is that Iran would export her newly acquired nuclear technology to other countries, same as Pakistan had in the past and North Korea is doing in the present.
How hard was that to figure out?
i’ll give a hoot when you start complaining about israel’s nukes. neither pakistan or NK has a record as aggressive as israel. israel makes me more nervous than either of those countries.
Pakistan’s A,Q. Khan sold Pakistan’s nuclear technology for cash. North Korea sell her nuclear technology to Iran, Syria, etc.
What country has Israel sold her nuclear technology too?
Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons
link to guardian.co.uk
Yeah I know, shared ideology and all that.
What nuclear technology has North Korea sold?
<blockquote What country has Israel sold her nuclear technology too?
South Africa for starters.
South Africa !!… or at least tried very hard to … You will not ask for proof will you stupidracist
NK is plenty scary in its own right, periodically firing missiles over Tokyo, threatening hellfire to the South and letting it be known that they have already achieved Los Angeles distance capabilities.
they have already achieved Los Angeles distance capabilities.
are you scared of them tokyobk
Israel has hundreds of nukes pointed at Iran! No country should be allowed to threaten nuclear extermination of another by having their nukes pointed in another’s face!
Uh we know South Africa. But since Israel will not sign the NPT and will not allow international inspections…who knows. The last President to make those demands was President Kennedy. Hey how is Modechai Vanunu…love that man
They should all be pressured to sign the NPT
I think this level of stupidity confirms that becomming a Zionist means sacrificing one’s intellect and ability to reason, and substituting logic for talking points.
There is nothign reasonable about the suggestion that Iran would export her newly acquired nuclear technology to other countries. The NPT grants signatories not only the right to develop nuclear power, but obliges nuclear states to assist and help other states develop their nuclear industry.
This is a militarily silly exercise since it is pretty clear that missile defenses don’t work. However, it does loudly communicate to Iran that the US is Israel’s ally against them. This increases the likelihood that Iran will interpret an Israeli attack as an American attack. If so, this then increases the likelihood that Israel will, in fact, carry out an attack without informing the US beforehand.
And look at this pathetic “recalibration” of the military budget:
link to chicagotribune.com
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States will unveil a “more realistic” vision for its military on Thursday, with plans to cut ground forces and invest more in air and maritime power at a time of fiscal restraint, officials familiar with the plans said on Wednesday.
The strategic review of U.S. security interests will also emphasize an American presence in Asia, with less attention overall to Europe, Africa and Latin America alongside slower growth in the Pentagon’s budget, the officials said.
And, of course:
President Barack Obama will help launch the review at the Pentagon on Thursday, and is expected to emphasize that the size of the military budget has been growing and will continue to grow in spite of the recalibration, albeit at a smaller pace.
This is an odd way to make Americans believe that Obama is trying to distance himself from Netanyahu’s plan to bomb Iran.
Very, very odd. It ties him closer to that plan. I do believe that Obama does not want to go to war with Iran, but at the same time he does things like this that make it more likely circumstances will force him into war with Iran. As we have seen over and over again, what if Obama responds to some “unsuspected” circumstances with what is the best political response.
Dangerous times ahead folks. Consider an “October surprise” is what Obama perceives as politically needed to be re-elected.
yep it sure is. He needs to make a stand or lose more of his base. I will not vote for OBama if they continue to sabre rattle against Iran…this may be just what Israel and the I lobby want Obama to be a one term President…they may get their wish
link to juancole.com
We know that Israel and the I lobby were part of the reason that Carter and Bush 41 went down. I think Israel knew that in a second term they would both get tougher on Israel. This is where the liberal Dems who support Israel no matter what do not care if Obamas go down. I believe this. As long as Israel can go about their apartheid business as usual
Now if Obama would take on the Leveretts as consultants about Iran that would be a good sign
Juans first piece up about Turkey’s predictions aon Shia/Sunni fighting is a good one
Of course Iran is militarily no threat to anybody. The country is barely able to defend its own territory. It has a badly outdated air force, a weak coastal navy etc. Iran is no match in a traditional war against Saudis, Pakistan, USA etc. Every military expert knows that. Iran has the military capacity to make an attack against it relative expensive to the attacker, but that is all.
The only reason why Iran is seen as a threat is that it doesn’t obey USA and the west. Iran is seen as a threat because it has shown its potential in becoming a real regional power, the nuclear issue is only a pretext which can not be solved. An industrially developed 80 million peoples’ Iran with its huge natural (= financial in the end) resources is a nightmare to Israel especially when that Iran is not in the famous US leash. A five million Jews’ state can only be the leading dominant regional power if big countries like Iran, Egypt and Turkey are hindered to develop and lead to long internal wars. Israel has actively supported the breaking of Sudan not because it loves democracy and the idea that people should have the right to govern themselves, but because it wants that same to happen in all Middle East except naturally in Israel/Palestine.
Her is a very interesting news. It shows that people are slowly waking up and smell the coffee. In the internet poll done by US Amnesty International for a “Human Rights Hero of 2011″, a winning person so far is ………..Muammar Gadaffi.
Mrs Clinton has to be very dissapointed.
link to mathaba.net
Is this how tight the grip around US foreign policy is? I was skeptic about Obummer going ahead to exacerbate tensions with Iran during the election season. Fuck.
As oil prices rise, so will grain prices since it becomes ever more profitable to convert grain into oil substitutes like ethanol (in US, 126 million out of 400 million tons of grain went to ethanol fuel distilleries in 2010)
Well, I don’t know what to say – this really isn’t news.
The US ran missile defense drills with Turkey earlier this year –
‘In September 2011, America engaged Turkey in missile defense by providing Ankara with the same type of X-Band radar system that Israel was given in September 2008 by former U.S. President George W. Bush. The deployment of that radar system into Turkey, later this year, will be located in the eastern part of the country, close to the Iranian border.’
Read more: link to americanthinker.com
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And now the Israeli’s are gettin theres – this has been known for a really long time.
The Israeli’s are gonna get the finishing touches on their missile defense, training on the technology, hardware etc and the Obama administration gets a photo for his backdrop at AIPAC….
I think once the missile drills are over there will probably be an “intervention” in Syria – led by Turkey. I think a lot on the map is about to change. I have to say, this kind of has “grand strategy” written all over it – lost in a lot of our focus on Israel is the American relationship with Turkey, who is now officially in the pocket of the west.
The posturing is “for the cameras” I believe – the US Fleet is making it clear they arent “going away” because we’re out of Iraq – the Iranians are just doing there part….
dan, we’ve held drills with israel before. what’s new is thousands of troops deployed to israel. the article says “unprecedented in its size”.
oh i know – im saying, thats been known for a while too – O had to do it up nice for Israel – as well as have American personnel there, just like they did with Turkey, but we always have troops in Turkey, so it’s not a “troops on their way to turkey” story……
I dont think its “thousands of troops” in the pernmanent deployment, not right away anyway…..i think its around 120 people
link to defensenews.com
Actually, I now realize that link is from 2008 – I think the US has actually had troops on deck since 2008. So, now its definitely, officially, a permanent presence.
i read that link while researching for this story. not sure if it was the same exercise as 08 but it was a september story, so i knew it wasn’t the same as this story. it was also past tense by the time it was published.
Word. Cheers Annie – tireless as ever!
I mean, I remember when the Iron Dome was going in there, they never mentioned a permanent deployment, but it seems like we’ve had troops there since 08? I never remember hearing about this from the Gov’t.
It seems like the same system (more or less) is going in in the UAE as well.
So, the UAE, Turkey and Israel all have missile defense “shields” that are run through EUCOM / “GCC+2″ – with the US controlling operations.
Combined with the Bunker Busters being sold to the UAE, I believe bahrain and maybe even Qatar, the F-15SA’s to Saudi Arabia, and the build up of the 5th Fleet – I would say something is going to pop off pretty soon.
Shiites just cant catch a break….The “coalitition of the moderates” is coming for them in earnest it appears
And the Euro’s have signed off on the oil embargo…..WOW. Thats an act of war.
Those troops are coming from our base in Germany.
A few weeks ago I posted a blip on this because of the “way” this was arranged and ‘announced”.
The article in Haaretz said Israel “”had negotiated a deal with General Gorenc”..making it sound like Israel now has direct negotiations with with US commanders instead of the pentagon being the intermediary in these joint exercises.
But however you look at it…..someone is trying to provoke Iran.
Richard Sales recently quoted several US commanders who had tried to impress upon Obama how opposed they were to any attack or war with Iran so we know it isn’t the Military who is pushing this and in fact have said they are against it. Obama’s reply to the Generals was..”I can’t tell Israel what to do”.
Either Israel is now calling the shots in the pentagon for real– or Obama is the one allowing all this to be done on the advice of his ‘advisors’.
Find out who is ‘overriding’ the senior Military Commander’s objections.
It’s got to be the WH.
Even though the US MSM is notorious for keeping American citizens in the dark about important international events and for distracting the public with info-tainment, the main source here is the Jerusalem Post — which not only is a right-wing rag, but a serial publisher of press releases from the Foreign Ministry practically verbatim. There are some confirmable facts in the article — the US and Israeli MICs overlap, Israel has been testing the US Iron Dome system in Gaza, Israeli military have provided all sorts of “anti-terrorist” advising and training for US troops and homeland security:
However, much of the rest of this could be Foreign Ministry hype, pushing the US to provide it more joint cooperation (especially when framed as part of an Iran threat), as the US is gearing up for the presidential election. Obama denying what Israel claims is needed for its support makes him look soft on terrorism and Iran. Sure Israel is glad to “train” US troops on its methods — elsewhere. Neither the US nor anyone else has ever been allowed a base in Israel, something common with many other US allies. Is GOI seriously going to allow thousands of US troops into Israel?
rusty, we’ll probably know more in the next few days. this isn’t the kind of story one can keep under wraps, it has legs. huff po has a story up..published around the time of this one.
link to huffingtonpost.com
Rusty makes a good point, one that occurred to me as I was dousing my blazing hair.
Maybe just perhaps its a good thing to have US troops snooping around Israeli military facilities, maybe even mucking up Israeli weaponry. Maybe just maybe US military is actually trying out how to protect us Americans and American interests from ever more threatening and rogue Israelis.
You have to figure that if someone whose only tool is google can figure out that Israel threatens American interests, someone in the US military has done so as well. Maybe that’s what the military will be doing in Israel — getting the lay of the land to protect US from our friend.
I hope so.
Yeah, and all the Congressmen clapping ,on their toes, 550++times during Nethanyahoo speech in the US Congress were doing it to protects “us Americans and American interests”.
Along with the laws ( sanctions against Iran ,arrest of potential “terrorists” on “just because” pretex) that Congress recently passed. I’m sure all of it done to “protect us Americans and American interests”.
Smearing Ron Paul by all MSM is also done to protect us Americans from thinking on our own.
Keep dreaming teta mother….
They will try to provoke Iran into doing something that it will give them a “valid” reason to attack. I have no idea what ,but it will be something ” big and obvious”. Possibilites are unlimited.
This war is already planned and decided. It will resolve a few problems that are catching up with the current Powers, and it will divert public attention from everything else. It could be maybe stopped only, only if army generals would refuse to follow the orders. But I doubt if they would have guts to do so.
Another proof point (who still needs one?!!!) that the USA
- NEVER WAS
- IS NOT
- NEVER WILL BE
a fair and impartial mediator to achieve peace. It’s TOTALLY under the ABSOLUTE CONTROL of the Zionist criminal state of israel and its illegal and blackmailing lobby supported by the extreme and very ignorant fundamentalist zionist christians.
The fact is this: the only common, unchanging factor of the Palestine-israel situation over the years is the USA.
Get the USA out of the equation and peace will follow in ONE DAY!!
Is the US building up the possibility of a military blockade to impose these new and even more destructive sanctions? How many people is the Clinton administration responsible for killing with sanctions against Iraq? Do you ever ever hear Obama say reduce your consumption? I never hear his say anything like this.
The American colossus going to the poor house with ever more costly military adventures. China howls with laughter and collects the interest on the loans that make our Quixotic thrashings possible.
Think you might like the link to Professor’s Coles take on the sancitons against Iran and how they will more than likely backfiire on Obama and that maybe just what the I lobby and Israel want
The US regards the closing of the Straights of Hormuz as a violation of international law raised to the 4th power.
It is not a petty threat. It is not a proportionate threat.
It should be expected to conspicuously prepare in any way possible.
That Iran has threatened to retaliate onto the world at large, not onto specific opponents, extending way beyond its own defense, violates its own stated principles of war, based on sharia.
Maybe they are just bluffing.
Richard, as someone who got completely bent of shape when a US Army recruiting officer had the effrontery to walk down your street, do you really have the monumental chutzpah to pretend you have no idea about how Iran might feel with an entire US Navy carrier battle group sailing off its shores? Not to mention the threat of sanctions from the US.
And speaking of sanctions, that reminds me Richard. You’ve lectured us many times on the evils of BDS when applied to Israel but I don’t think you’ve yet answered by previous requests to let us know how you stand on sanctions against Iran. How about letting us know now? I’m sure none of us want to have the lurking suspicion that you might be a colossal hypocrite.
Iran has a FULL right to protect and defense itself .
THe bogus, phony pretexts that US/ISRA/UN Powers are using against Iran ARE bogus and phony pretexts. The same LIKE Hitler used in 1939 before attacking Poland.
IRAN IS the Poland of 1939.
And Iran HAS a FULL RIghts to protect itself with anything it takes. Iranian president cares about Iranian people ( not like US president for that matter).
Iran will fight and the people of Amercia ARE going to feel it. The WILL feel the effects of this injust war that bloody, selfish, corrupted Powers from the pits of Hell are about to start. They will feel it Badly.
And in a way they should.
“We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight on the seas and the oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our country, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender. “
The US regards the closing of the Straights of Hormuz as a violation of international law raised to the 4th power.
It is not a petty threat. It is not a proportionate threat.
The US should be expected to conspicuously prepare in any way possible.
That Iran has threatened to retaliate onto the world at large, not onto specific opponents, extending way beyond its own defense, violates its own stated principles of war, based on sharia.
Maybe they are just bluffing.
Mondoweissers, is this guy witty for real or is he just so totally dense???
If “The US regards the closing of the Straights of Hormuz as a violation of international law raised to the 4th power.”, how come it doesn’t regard what the criminal zionist state of israel does as a violation of international law especially that the entire world except USA and Israel agree? How come the defiance by israel and the usa of all those countless UNSC resolutions against israel are not considered violations against international law?
Really witty, I mean really?!!! You can’t fool all the people all the time………
ramzi, i think he is ‘real’. i don’t take him to seriously tho, it’s a waste of time. as an aside, maybe he thinks the ‘straights’ of hormuz were named for their linear qualities.
Ramzi,
You realize I hope that like in the case of Syria, you do not need a UN resolution to sanction Israel. The US is not the issue. The Russians, Chinese, Indians, Europeans etc. can sanction Israel without a UN resolution, like is the case in Syria. So, why are they not doing it if Israel is violating so many UNSC resolutions as you claim? If Israel is so wrong, where are the sanctions? Go complain to the Russians and Chinese. Why are you complaining about the US?
“The Russians, Chinese, Indians, Europeans etc. can sanction Israel without a UN resolution, like is the case in Syria. So, why are they not doing it if Israel is violating so many UNSC resolutions as you claim?”
This is a good question, eee. But don’t expect a (rational) answer from the detractors of Israel. They will at the most say that Israel is either ruling America through her lobby, or ruling the entire Western world through her lobby, or maybe even ruling the entire world through her lobby.
The world is flat and the nose is content with the nearest horizon.
What do you mean by claim? Are you disputing that there are dozens of UN Resolutions against Israel demanding withdrawl from the occupied territories, amd allowing the return fo refugees etc?
The Russians, Chinese, Indians are sanctioning no one, certainly not unilaterally. Unike the US and it’s allies in Europe, they are not in the habbit of telling other states what to do and using anctions as a means of economic warfar
You know the answer, eee.
It is quite simple. If the Russians, Chinese, Indians, Europeans etc. really thought that what Israel is doing is egregious, they would have put sanctions on Israel years ago. But the fact is that all these countries know that the UN resolutions are nothing bot hot air. The Arab countries can muster a majority in the General Assembly and pass whatever resolution they want, just as was the case when the the UN “decided” that Zionism is racism.
Why would they sanction a country that sells them valuable American technology?
Israel is our tarbaby, not theirs. Lucky ducks.
Israeli-Chinese ties aren’t that bad.
link to jpost.com
Nor are the relations between Israel and Russia or India.
link to israelseen.com
link to indembassy.co.il
These nations don’t seem to have any pressing reason to saction Israel, on he contrary.
“These nations don’t seem to have any pressing reason to saction Israel, on he contrary.”
Which is exactly why eee’s statement was so dopey. The fact that these countries act as they do does not mean that they do not think that “Israel” is acting one way or the other. Rather, it simply means that these states are following their own interests.
What is dopey is to point to idiotic resolutions that can easily be manufactured by an automatic majority against Israel instead of looking at the actual ACTIONS of the players. So what speaks louder?
Those are pretty stupid articles to cite jonah…
Everyone knows China’s only interest in Israel is the high tech and weapons tech Israel steals from the US. China doesn’t have spy and industrial espionage network that Israel has in the US. Israel wa caught selling US tech to China once already and I doubt they have stopped.
As for India, AIPAC was the guiding light for the India lobby–took them by the hand and set them in DC to aid them in securing US offshore jobs–in exchange for India allying with Israel.
Israel has nothing anyone but third world countries want–except what they can steal from the US and pass on
“Rather, it simply means that these states are following their own interests.”
Bingo. They deal with Israel AND Iran. Trade with all that helps their citizens.
Luckily, we get to pay $5-$6 for a gallon of gas for America-hating neoconservative policies.
No, what is dopey is to ignore the reality of how the world works by pretending that your little, Zionist shit-hole hasn’t committed crimes, big and small, simply because the Russians, Chinese, Indians, Europeans could sanction them but chose not to. That is dopey.
“Israel has nothing anyone but third world countries want–except what they can steal from the US and pass on”
So why has Apple just purchased an Israeli company for $500 million and will have in Israel its only R&D center outside the US?
Russians, Chinese, India will move around the sanctions…
eee: “So why has Apple just purchased an Israeli company for $500 million and will have in Israel its only R&D center outside the US?”
Have you got those “Israel Inside” labels ready yet, eee? Of course, you’ll have organise an army of hasbaristas to slip inside Apple Stores and surreptitiously stick them on all those iPads and Macbook Airs. Because one thing you can be sure about, it’s Israel that wants the brand association not Apple. Because, unlike you, they really understand brand management.
Libra,
The more interesting question is: Are you going to stop buying Apple products? You know, BDS and all that.
eee: “The more interesting question is: Are you going to stop buying Apple products? You know, BDS and all that.”
eee, I have to confess I’ve excluded fruit and vegetables from my personnel boycott due to my addiction to cherry tomatoes. But the products that for me really define Israel, in fact capture the essence of the place in almost all respects, are the “Dead Sea” cosmetics sold by pushy vendors in shopping malls. And I definitely boycott those.
I really don’t think BDS will get full traction until the Palestinians completely move to mass non-violent protests for equal rights. Then when you suppress them with violence (for what other way do you know?), Israel will turn toxic as a brand more or less overnight and “the Jewish state” will be finished unless it quickly turns tail and pulls back with its settlers to its 1967 borders.
I expect sooner or later (and hopefully it will be sooner) that course of events will unfold. Then it will be interesting to see how companies such as Intel and Apple deal with their Israel connection.
Seeign as it belongs to Apple, it’s no longer an ISraeli company.
Libra,
Cosmetics in general are such a small part of what Israel manufactures that it is very strange that you see those as defining Israel. I also have not purchased Ahava products in years as my wife does not like them.
The Palestinians cannot do mass non-violent protests. It is a myth that they can. You think Israel will do anything if thousands of Palestinians will march in Ramallah? And if they march on Jerusalem, they will be met by tens of thousands of Jews also marching “non violently”. And then hundreds of thousands of Jews will march on Palestinian towns, villages and cities. You see where this is going, and the Palestinians know it. When both sides are of equal numbers, the mass protests just don’t work.
eee: “Cosmetics in general are such a small part of what Israel manufactures that it is very strange that you see those as defining Israel. I also have not purchased Ahava products in years as my wife does not like them.”
eee: I meant it symbolically about the overpriced soap, not its quantity but the “qualities” it embodies and the style in which it is hawked to the world. But it sounds like your wife can explain it to you. I think Mrs. eee may be wiser than her hasbarist husband. Or does she share his poor opinion of Palestinians?.
Because Apple is pro Israel no matter what they do
>> That Iran has threatened to retaliate onto the world at large …
Perhaps RW would be more comfortable if, instead of threatening to retaliate against present and future existential threats made/executed against it by Western nations (incl. Israel), Iran were to simply declare a vague, indefinite, offensive and (self-)righteous “war on [Western] terror”.
Heck, it could even refer to the Wo[W]T as “liberation”, or a “‘necessary’ wrong”!
….and maybe Richard Witty’s understanding of Sharia is filtered through his Judaic/Western conditioning – a condition that tends to obscure rather than enlighten.
“Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril. When you are ignorant of the enemy, but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril”
- Lao Tzu.
Iran supporters have claimed that Iran “never” initiates violent, but only “responds” in defense, per sharia instruction.
That an Iranian senior minister last week warned that they would initiate hostilities on the US or others if banking and oil sanctions went into effect, is a betrayal of that principle.
No violent attack, but threatened first strike. Granted, a threat is not yet doing yet.
Brewer, that quote is Sun Tzu (Art of War), but no less true for it.
Among other things Lao Tzu said:
Why is it so hard to rule?
Because people are so clever.
Rulers who try to use cleverness
Cheat the country.
Those who rule without cleverness
Are a blessing to the land.
Oops, sorry, slip of the tongue!
Nice of Witty to provide confirmation of both his double standard and limited understanding of Sharia.
And sanctions against Iran based on unsubstantiated unverfiable claims is not a “petty threat” Israel and the Israeli lobby in the US congress started this fight. Iran is responding.
Witty,
If the Straights of Hormuz ever form an alliance with the Gays of Hormuz, what power will the violation of international law be raised to?
Inquiring minds want to know…
FPM
frankie, he didn’t get my ‘linear’ joke earlier. i don’t think richard knows his straits form his straights.
Prof Cole has an imporatant perspective up
link to juancole.com
I have thought a lot about the I lobby and Israel wanting Obama to be a one term President…knowing that he will more than likely push Israel harder in a second term
Of course setting up a missile defense system is evil. So is body armor for police officers. It is unfair to criminals!!!!
Effective missile defense will allow Israel to bomb it’s neighbors at will without much risk from retaliation, that is it’s main purpose.
There’s no such thing as “Effective missile defense “‘.
“There is no such thing as an effective missile defense”
Exactly. Iron Dome might be able to shoot down a few fire crackers from Gaza, but it will be totally ineffective against cruise missiles (flying at supersonic speeds) or individually guided ballistic missiles (the Russians perfected these guidance systems at least 15 ago). This exercise with Israel is tactically irrelevant. Unfortunately they are not politically irrelevant.
China and Russian are perfectly happy to let the US stumble into a war against Iran — it will just weaken us as has our recent defeat in Iraq and our continuing quagmire in Afghanistan. Without firing a shot, they can just sit back a watch the US continue its self destructive actions. I must say that I find it almost incomprehensible that the US would so predictably put itself into these obviously losing positions. I say almost, but it is comprehensible when we factor in the local political pressures where the Israeli lobby with its influence is pushing our politicians in that direction. The US military does seem to know at some level that a war against Iran will hurt the US, but it doesn’t matter since the political reality for raising campaign funds trump national interests. At least for today. Hopefully that will change in the near future.
And in this case the US the Israali lobby in the US congress and Israel are the criminals.
“So is body armor for police officers. It is unfair to criminals!!!!”
Bad analogy. “Israel” is the criminal here, and it is putting on the armor in order to slaughter people while robbing a bank.
Obama signed a bill for more military aid to Israel, in excess of the $3 billion, during the last week of December. See Haaretz.
link to haaretz.com
Tomorrow, January 5, 2012 Obama is going to the Hill to announce cutbacks in benefits to OUR MILITARY. Current benefits will be grandfathered in, but going forward: no.
If you don’t think this won’t reverberate throughout the 5 million-strong military, and incite write-in votes for Ron Paul, you’re whistling dixie.
I hope that you are right. Write-ins may be too little too late.
Obama is losing more in his base than he can imagine. Israel wins Obama loses
Carter and Bush 41 know this dance
In the photo, something really important must have caught everybody’s attention on their right sides.
Its the projection screen. The man on the right front has the clicker.
Charon: “In the photo, something really important must have caught everybody’s attention on their right sides.”
If I’m not mistaken the man on the bottom right seems to be demonstrating a hand-held personal anti-missile laser system (PALS). From the sloppiness of his uniform I would deduce he is an Israeli dazzling his American audience with another miracle of miniaturisation from the land of the cherry tomato.
Prof Cole continues on in his role of defender of western “humanitarian intervention” today by citing Turkey’s warnings of a “sunni/shiite civil war” in the middle east. Presumably, “someone” will have to step in to stop it right?
link to juancole.com
The Turkish foreign minister was on his way to Tehran, presumably to assuage the Iranians fright.
Of course, NATO jets, Libyan “rebels” etc have been landing in Turkey, part of the build up going on across the region. Cole doesn’t mention this, but does highlight the recent violence in Iraq and the continued violence in Syria and it comes off as pleading, truth be told, for “something to be done”
If Turkey gets an exemption from the oil embargo on Iran, which apparently is moving right along into implementation – they will have enormous new power in the region. Im still betting on big changes to the map, starting soon……
Here is gareth porters latest —
link to counterpunch.org
When Mark Dubowitz, executive director of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, which is closely aligned with Netanyahu’s Likud Party, pushed the idea of sanctions against any financial institution that did business with Iran’s Central Bank, the aim was to make it impossible for countries that import Iranian crude to continue to be able to make payments for the oil.
Dubowitz wanted virtually every country importing Iranian crude except China and India to cut off their imports. He argued that reducing the number of buyers to mainly China and India would not result in a rise in the price of oil, because Iran would have to offer discounted prices to the remaining buyers.
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India buys Iranian oil through Turkey. Does China buy it direct? South Korea has also asked for an exemption, but I wonder if China plans to buy through S. Korean fronts……
“Of course, NATO jets, Libyan “rebels” etc have been landing in Turkey, part of the build up going on across the region”
There are planing a “repeat ” of Libya in Syria.
Right now “Syrian rebels” are accumulated in Turkey, and thrown occasionaly to Syria to stir the trouble there. “Freedom fighters” aka mercenaries, paid heavily by western Powers to incite and kill.
Opressions against average people in Bahrain do not count, because Bahrain’s big kahunas support western powers.
Divide, divide and conquer.
sending u.s. troops to israel for a joint missile defense exercise represents an all out attempt to solidify in the minds of the public the concept that israeli and american interests are one and the same, that what’s good for israel is good for the u.s. msm will be the bearer of this message, as it incessantly hammers away at the public with photos & articles depicting the camraderie and single-mindedness among american and israeli troops. one can expect both “their” and “our” soldiers to be interviewed, with statements such as “just let iran try anything against israel and they’ll soon wish they hadn’t” standard fare. the goal of both the u.s. & israeli governments is that the american people, enamored as most of us are with everyone & everything military, will pick up on the goodwill between the troops, and let this effect our judgement as to whether or not israel’s and america’s interests are one and the same. once this happens (assuming it already hasn’t) there goes any serious resistance to making war on iran. which is to say that this military exercise, depending on how msm covers it, could be mostly for warmongering purposes.
warmongering, that is, unless it’ll be for the purpose of actual warmaking?
You are right yourstruly. Kind of like Stalin and Hitler in one photo ,shaking hands and trying to force a smile on their, otherwise, grim reaper faces.
Or friendly ,cheery Ribbentrov Molotov Pact of united, unified agression against Poland in 1939.
This time, in place of Poland , IRAN has been put.
link to youtube.com
WE are being duped so much that it seems almost unreal.
annie, for all the talk about US forces in israel, what more do you know about this part of the story?
The drill, which is unprecedented in its size, will include the establishment of US command posts in Israel and IDF command posts at EUCOM headquarters in Germany – with the ultimate goal of establishing joint task forces in the event of a large-scale conflict in the Middle East.
does the IDF already have other ‘command posts’ in europe? and for someone in the know, what is the relationship between EUCOM and NATO?
marc, as far as i know eucom, centcom and africom are all american command military centers. nato is nato (link to en.wikipedia.org) and israel is not part of nato. every american base we have in the world is under the jurisdiction of one of our american command military centers (i think). i recall there was a big hullaballu a couple years back when mullen (as i recall) suggested israel should fall under the jurisdiction of centcom (middle east/asia) instead of eucom, presumably because the way we dealt with israel impacted out ME wars. that went over like a lead brick.
i do not know much more about that block quote than you but establishment of US command posts in Israel and IDF command posts at EUCOM headquarters in Germany doesn’t sound like a “drill” to me. if the ultimate goal of establishing joint task forces , and it is only a ‘drill’ does that mean the troops being deployed will be practicing establishing US command posts in Israel and IDF command posts at EUCOM headquarters in Germany and then just turn around and come home again? i wish i knew more but i don’t.
does the IDF already have other ‘command posts’ in europe?
not that i know of although there was that training going on kurdistan a few years ago. but then why would they need them? it makes much more sense for israel to influence the US to use our troops to act in the best interest of israel. doesn’t it? i’m not really ‘in the know’ btw. i just keep my ears open.
We need Israel and Zionism out of our lives once and for all! No more funding; no more symbiotic entanglement!
SUPPORT AND VOTE FOR RON PAUL.
The only hope we have right now!!!
I am happy to see you are over your temporary bout of post-caucus depression and back to your passionate and positive, activist self! Welcome back!
Its a mistake to equate the conflicts that the west is having with Iran to be about Israel.
The main issue is the control of oil, and the means to that end are regional dominance.
Israel is a side show, a stimulus.
American realist thinkers in the pentagon and intelligence, do NOT hold the view that the relations with Iran are about Israel in the slightest (maybe a couple do).
They KNOW that the relationship is about oil, and now about the flow of capital, as the monarchical family private funds are so enormous.
The concern is of destabalization, much much much more than of protecting Israel, though that is a component of stabalization, an ally, and also a weathervane to the extent that it is used as scapegoat.
RW: “Its a mistake to equate the conflicts that the west is having with Iran to be about Israel.
The main issue is the control of oil, and the means to that end are regional dominance.
Israel is a side show, a stimulus.”
Richard, you shove one face of the neocon coin under our noses and pretend it’s labelled realist. But a realist knows the difference between securing access to oil and controlling access. And the confrontation with Iran is actually about neither.
But you right that it’s about regional domination. Israel will go to any length to continue its regional domination, manipulating the US at every step to do its heavy lifting. That’s the face of the coin you’re trying to hide.
Enough of your half-truths and blatant lies. With Zionists and neocons, Israel is never a side show.
Libra,
Its a joke to say that Israel dominates the region or anything close, as there is so little trade between Israel and the region.
Oil concerns dominate the US relation to the region. Its really quite plain.
You’re the joke Witty,
Israel does indeed dominate he region and it’s that domination that the Zionists are so afraid of losing were Iran to obtain a nuke. As Daniel Pletka of the AEI said, the danger (from a necon perspective) of Iran obtaining a nuke is not that they would use it, but that they would not use it.
I thought the realists in the Pentagon opposed war with Iran.
I think they do oppose war in the region. But, they also support free international waterways in the Straits.
RW reveals: Its a mistake to equate the conflicts that the west is having with Iran to be about Israel.
If you believe that you are as dumb as you appear. I keep going back and forth: is he really that stupid or is he really that dishonest? Age old question, to be sure.
This push for more confrontations with Iran is all about Israel and has been pushed by Israel and the I lobby in the US congress for 8 long years. No way around this. 0
Lets just say a simple truth that many will not admit.
Some people ,who are in Power in Amercia, are acting like Nazis in a pre-war Germany. They hijacked most of the American politicans and public officials and coerce them into a WAR with a peace loving country of Iran.
They use all possible, worn out slogans of defending the USA against …blah, blah ,blah.
The hijacked MSM, who play precisely according to their musical notes in order to numb and dumb American collective consciousness.
They want American and worldly public to believe that they ARE protecting us from some sort of Evil. That they are the harbingers of truth, peace and democracy.
NO!!!
They are the ones, who want to cause ONE more destruction, to bring more deaths, damages, cruelty, suffering and oppressions ,SO a small , very small group can benefit from it.
THey are using OUR money, OUR resources, OUR soldiers and military equipment ,OUR silent agreement/permission of the manipulated sheeple to ACHIEVE it.
And probalby they will.
NH State Senator talks about Ron Paul and overseas military spending
link to revolutionarypolitics.tv
Very good video. Thx. Definately worth watching .
This young NH senator is outstanding. I’m glad that many military men supoport Ron Paul. Their support has lots of power.
I expect a lot of “honey traps” to be set into motion.
US personnel are compromised by what they thught was a chance encounter with a paramour (or whatever activity, contraband, etc.), and are then subject by blackmail into becoming an Israeli intel asset. This is standard MO with US politicians, and to have the US personnel in country, they can really work their targets.
Very disturbing images from Iran
link to dailypaul.com
Let’s go bomb them!
Thank you CloakAndDagger
That was great. Good for Ron!
I remember being at home at my parents, mom was reading the NY Times magazine, and Iran came up and she didn’t know what to think, and asked me my opinion – I said, “mom, flip to one of those high fashion ad’s…..look down at the bottom, do you see Tehran listed as one of the cities they are in?” ….she was SHOCKED
When she realized there as a D&G in Tehran, she knew our government was BS’ing us! :)
Check this out. It sent a chill down my spine:
link to youtube.com
2002 – Ron Paul said this will all happen between 5 and 10 years from now [2002]. He was even right about the timing.
There’s something about this man.