Leveretts: False flag in Iranian hit likely disguises U.S.

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Murdered Iranian scientist Roshan with son

Flynt and Hillary Mann Leverett say it’s likely that the killing of the Iranian scientist was carried out by an Iranian extremist group, Jundallah, with the support of the U.S. government.

We have written, on multiple occasions, see here, here and here, about America’s dangerous dance with Jundallah and, more broadly, anti-Iranian covert action.  That the Obama Administration is now trying to distance itself from some aspects of this dance, by fobbing it off on Israel (to be sure, anything but an innocent party), does not extricate it from its past decisions or current actions.

First, that Israel was (and still may be) conducting a false flag operation using Jundallah to carry out lethal attacks inside Iran does not say anything, in itself, about possible U.S. support for the group.  Prior Western media reporting on the issue indicates that U.S. support for Jundallah was “indirect”—meaning that, as with Nicaraguan contras in the 1980s, Washington relied on third parties to deliver funding to Jundallah.  Moreover, [Mark] Perry’s sources say that, since the United States learned about this Israeli false flag operation, neither the Bush Administration nor the Obama Administration has done anything to convey its displeasure to Israel.  So, one must ask, just how displeased is official Washington?…

in terms of distancing itself from outrageous actions, we think that the Obama Administration could very easily show its seriousness on the point.  As Paul Pillar points out, see here, “the killing of an individual foreigner overseas, if carried out for a political or policy purpose by either a non-state actor or clandestine agents of a state is an act of international terrorism”, according to U.S. law.  So, Secretary of State Clinton should announce that, if the United States identifies any group involved in caring out politically-motivated murders inside Iran, it will designate that group as a foreign terrorist organization.  Furthermore, if the United States identifies any foreign government carrying out, instigating, or facilitating politically-motivated murders inside Iran, it will designate that government as a state sponsor of terrorism.

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  1. Les says:

    I can’t help but notice that the Times has yet to report on Mossad agents posing as CIA agents. Will this ever hit the news in the US?

    • American says:

      It won’t, not a single US press or media source has published anything on it…and I had looked for 2 days….nothing.
      This blackout is not due to the US government but to the media itself..and those who exert some influence/control of it.

    • Donald says:

      They might be scrambling to find ways to either discredit it or spin it. Something like that happened to Gary Webb (who ended up a suicide) when he ran his story back in the 90′s connecting the CIA to drug trafficking in Central America in the 80′s. That was explosive stuff, and the rest of the mainstream press ganged up on him and destroyed his reputation.

      You never can tell with the MSM though. Sometimes they’re honest. You can’t count on anything with them, not even utterly predictable dishonesty. But on this story I’d bet on dishonesty of one form or another.

  2. Dan Crowther says:

    “since the United States learned about this Israeli false flag operation, neither the Bush Administration nor the Obama Administration has done anything to convey its displeasure to Israel. So, one must ask, just how displeased is official Washington?.
    ——
    That’s what Ive been asking……

    • American says:

      Don’t know if O/Military was displeased enough to do this:

      US Pressure? Israel Postpones Huge Joint Drill – Defense/Security …
      link to israelnationalnews.com
      3 hours ago – Israel delays the largest-ever anti-missile military drill with the US for “technical” reasons days after Obama pressures Israel over Iran.

      Israel, US cancel missile defense drill – JPost – Defense
      link to jpost.com
      4 hours ago – Austere Challenge” was billed as largest such drill in country’s history; officials cite technical, logistical issues’

      But we don’t formally announce drills with other countries without the ‘technical and logistical” issues have been worked out way in advance…so I am thinking it is something else. Could be the recent Mossad leak or could be something else to do with Iran.

  3. Ramzi Jaber says:

    Agreed Phil, it’s high time to declare the CIA and Mossad as terrorist organizations.

    • Charon says:

      The problem with CIA, Mossad, and any intelligence organization is that they operate partially in secrecy and rely on networks of spies. Secrecy breeds corruption which brings false information and false leads, rouge black ops, infiltration, etc. When ‘rouge’ agents wind up in drug trafficking, it’s said the drug money funds the operation or is used to figure out where the drugs are coming from. Maybe the latter is true in the beginning, but human greed probably takes over when they see how much money they can get on the side. The entire Western intelligence apparatus is one shared-minded and corrupt beast and responsible for most if not all clandestine terror networks to some degree. There is no saving it, these intelligence agencies should be all considered rouge terrorists no matter how many sincere people work for them.

      Amateur truth seekers might look at important criminal activity attributed to terrorists from the false flag angle and incorrectly blame it on the wrong guy. It’s best viewed as a rouge shadowy government that acts in it’s own interests present all over the Western establishment with Israel as its headquarters. A giant shadowy spider web that has been misleading the public for decades. Dumbocracy. If Americans knew the truth, they definitely wouldn’t acquire any Israeli-related technology or training programs for positions in national security (or at all for that matter). Nor would their be any neoconservatives in the government. Some would disagree with this sentence and say that this is a democracy and voters put them there. No, voters were willed by the ruling class banksters via their traditional methods of controlling public opinion. Democracy, at least in Western-style form, is an illusion.

  4. Talkback says:

    Mark Perry says:
    “I have no idea who is responsible for the murder of Iranian scientists, I have no idea whether, at present, Israel is using Jundallah or MEK operatives to conduct these operations. Iran has plenty of enemies, and it could be any number of organizations — or perhaps the killings are simply an internal matter.”
    link to 972mag.com

    • richb says:

      Here’s the full response noting the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

      You say there is no evidence linking Jundallah to the assassination campaign. Is there any indication Israel is similarly using some other group, like the MEK? Was there any indication of what purpose the Jundallah recruits were used for? 

      My article was focused on a single story — that Mossad officers attempted to recruit Jundallah operatives under the guise of the American intelligence services. I stayed strictly focused on that. I have no idea who is responsible for the murder of Iranian scientists, I have no idea whether, at present, Israel is using Jundallah or MEK operatives to conduct these operations. Iran has plenty of enemies, and it could be any number of organizations — or perhaps the killings are simply an internal matter. In one way, I suppose, I don’t care, so long as my country is not responsible. Because if we are, then we are a state sponsor of terrorism, and the “war on terrorism” is a lie. I don’t think it is. I think the U.S. government, my country, has lots of problems. But joining with terrorist groups is not one of them.

      • dahoit says:

        That’s so funny I forgot to laugh.
        How many episodes of American involvement with terror groups,from Al Qaeda to MEK to Cuban exiles,to Central and South American gangs, do you need to jar the mind?
        Is the world more terrified of Al Qaeda or US and Israel?
        Man!

  5. Tuyzentfloot says:

    Flynt and Hillary Mann Leverett say it’s likely that the killing of the Iranian scientist was carried out by an Iranian extremist group, Jundallah, with the support of the U.S. government.

    I would put it differently. I think they’re saying that the story about Israeli false flag operations masks a very real past involvement of the US with Jundallah. So they’re just pointing out a good cop/bad cop pattern. They’re only warning about possible false conclusions. It’s well possible that the US is not involved in the last attack.

    I would turn the story around and make the memos self-incriminating. It was easy for Israel to pose as US agents with Jundallah because Jundallah was familiar with such US contacts.

    • American says:

      “real past involvement of the US with Jundallah”

      The report on Mossad posing as CIA say the US previously had contact with Jundallah. So that’s known. The internal report also say the US, when Jundallah was listed as terrorist group, WH/DOS directed the CIA have no involvement with them.
      So all left to believe is whether or not the CIA violated that directive.
      Which would have been rouge operation, under the rug if CIA did.
      Not impossible.

    • Donald says:

      One thing that is always annoying with the CIA–in this Perry story his sources tell him that no matter what people say, they’re not in the business of assassinating people. Yeah, whatever. Maybe they hire others to do it. What were the Nicaraguan contras and Jonas Savimbi’s Unita movement all about? Any CIA connections there? Did the Afghan “freedom fighters” ever kill civilians? We know the CIA tried to kill Castro and some others. Bob Woodward in “Veil” says the CIA hired out the guys who did a carbombing in Lebanon in the 80′s. And what about that”diplomat” in Pakistan who got into trouble shooting some innocent guy? Maybe he didn’t have his morning coffee and just overreacted a little.

      So even if the Parry story is completely accurate and the US had no connection with Jundallah, the protestations of total innocence have the opposite effect of what is intended.

  6. HarryLaw says:

    Who did it is an important question, who supported and encouraged it is equally important here in the UK, we have a Law called the encouragement to terrorism act 2006 see my earlier comments on 14th jan 2012 on the article ” Rick Santorum says murder of Iranian scientist was ‘wonderful thing’.”, also The serious crimes act 2007, was used in the case Regina v Saleem, Jevad and Muhid 2008,2cr app R [s] 12, when several defendents were filmed holding placards with Bomb Bomb Denmark and Bomb Bomb USA, on appeal their sentences were reduced to 4 years jail each. It was argued that these threats were not meant literally and this was just hot air and were frustrated about the offensive cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, to no avail. I have just called for the prosecution of Andrew Cummings on similar encouragement to terrorism charges at my local police station , they say they will forward it to the Metropolitan police, it should be interesting to see what excuses they can find to reject it, will keep you posted. here is the complaint..

    I wish to make a complaint regarding an article which was published in the Guardian newspaper on 12th January 2012, it was headlined, a covert campaign is the only way to stop Iran’s nuclear ambitions, and written by Andrew Cummings, a former advisor to various Governments. He can be contacted at the Guardian, Kings Place, 90 York Way, London, N19GU.
    The article is a clear breach of sections 1 and 2 of the 2006 Terrorism act, which makes it a criminal offence to publish material which calls for the direct or indirect encouragement and/or glorification of Terrorism as defined by the 2000 Terrorism act. I enclose the evidence. The context surrounding the allegations are the ongoing acts of Terrorism, including bomb explosions and murders of Iran’s nuclear scientists working on nuclear issues.
    Andrew Cummings article not only makes it plain that he supports these covert terrorist acts, but also that they should continue. It is clear that the unknown perpetrators and others could not but find encouragement directly or indirectly in this article, especially when advocated by a former senior advisor to past Governments on these very matters.
    I call on you to prosecute him. In this case Cummings a senior past advisor to various Governments really did think about and was entirely serious about what he was advocating and so more culpable than those foolish other defendants, will he be prosecuted we shall see.

  7. Avi_G. says:

    The Leveretts’ writing reads like Everyone sucks rhetoric. It seeks to whitewash Israel’s culpability by muddying the waters and surfacing feeble arguments.

    In addition, their writing cherry picks information to fit their agenda. They ignore, for example, the reluctance of the United States to start another war. The last thing the US needs now is another front. It hasn’t the resources, it hasn’t the manpower. And NATO won’t be there to help, given current economic turmoil in Europe.

    • Keith says:

      AVI_G- “In addition, their writing cherry picks information to fit their agenda. They ignore, for example, the reluctance of the United States to start another war. The last thing the US needs now is another front. It hasn’t the resources, it hasn’t the manpower. And NATO won’t be there to help, given current economic turmoil in Europe.”

      Well, one can’t accuse you of cherry picking information since your comment is simply a regurgitation of your biases.

      “They ignore, for example, the reluctance of the United States to start another war.”

      This comment is absolutely priceless. The US is still involved in Afghanistan and Iraq, the US and NATO have just got done pulverizing Libya, the US has special ops forces involved in covert activities in Somalia and Yemen, the US and Israel and Turkey are destabilizing Syria, the US and Israel are trying to destabilize Iran, Special operations forces and drone operations have been dramatically expanded, the US is shifting and expanding Pacific operations to contain China, has increased both troops and carriers in the Middle East, the defense budget is skyrocketing, and, based on your cold headed analysis of the facts on the ground you conclude that the US is reluctant to start another war. Sorry, partner, but technically “As with sanctions and covert military onslaughts on Iraq in the run up to 2003, the first point to underline is that the US is waging war on Iran.” (Alexander Cockburn) link to counterpunch.org

      “The last thing the US needs now is another front. It hasn’t the resources, it hasn’t the manpower. And NATO won’t be there to help, given current economic turmoil in Europe.”

      For how long have you been saying this? Did you predict that NATO would have the resources to attack Libya? Of course they have the resources. What do they lack? Part of what is occurring is that borrowing to fund the military is a priority. Wall Street is bankrupting the First World in order to structurally adjust the economies and lock in financial control. They will likely buy up real assets on pennies to the dollar with money they create.

      “The Leveretts’ writing reads like Everyone sucks rhetoric. It seeks to whitewash Israel’s culpability by muddying the waters and surfacing feeble arguments.”

      Yup, anyone who deviates from your laser-like focus on the “Lobby” as the fount of all evil must be trying to whitewash Israel. What other explanation is there?

      • Keith, Avi is correct. The Leveretts provide no substantiation for their suggestion that Obama and the US military still actively support this terrorist group. Perry said something quite different and FP vetted his sources. I believe Perry.

        Oh, and if the US supprted Israeli policy, why is the US now so pissed? -N49.

      • Avi_G. says:

        “They ignore, for example, the reluctance of the United States to start another war.”

        This comment is absolutely priceless. The US is still involved in Afghanistan and Iraq, the US and NATO have just got done pulverizing Libya, the US has special ops forces involved in covert activities in Somalia and Yemen,

        The first step is to understand the underlying logic. In Afghanistan, the US faces the resistance of various tribes and groups, including the Taliban. Are the Afghans formidable opponents? Yes. The US has been embroiled in a war where its technology and gizmos are outmaneuvered by sheer determination and dedication on the Afghan side. Other factors include topography (i.e. mountainous terrain) and geography (i.e. vast expanses of land).

        In Iraq, the US faced little opposition in the initial stages of the invasion. Iraq had no airforce and its anti-aircraft systems were quickly destroyed by the US. In the later stage, the occupation took a toll on the US. This stage saw the heavy use of policies like Stop Loss, and an increase in suicide rates among military personnel. To supplement its forces in Iraq, the US brought in an equal number of contractors. At one point, there were 120 thousand US troops and about an equal number of contractors.

        In Libya, Somalia and Yemen, the US has very few troops on the ground. Their presence can be said to be negligible. But, that scant presence is in direct relationship to the opposing forces. Neither Libya, nor Somalia nor Yemen have/had the equipment or the fighters to act as formidable opponents. So US intervention and involvement in those places does not require a lot of resources, as compared with Iraq or Afghanistan, for example. That is because occupation is very taxing on the occupier. It is difficult to sustain. So what an objective person should focus on is the ‘quality’ — if you will — of the conflicts, not the quantity.

        By contrast, Iran is quite the formidable opponent. It has the military technology needed to act as a real threat to US forces in the region, as well as to Israel should a war breakout. Somalia hasn’t the capability to launch ballistic missiles, for example. Libya had very little capability in that arena, as well. Iraq exhausted most of such military resources in 1991.

        Taking all this into consideration, one can certainly say that the US would be extremely reluctant to open another front given that this front involves Iran. The US may not need to think twice about sending some forces to Chad, for example. But, Iran is an entirely different opponent.

        During the Iraq-Iran war, for example, Iranians enlisted in droves to join the struggle against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein. And he was using chemical weapons against Iran, a country that lost close to one million people during that protracted war. But they fought on because they are proud and because they had and still have much to lose. By contrast, Iraqis and the Iraqi forces during the 2003 invasion were not motivated, morale was low and many Iraqis were simply unwilling to sacrifice their lives for the sake of a dictator who had been mistreating them during his time in power.

        the US and Israel and Turkey are destabilizing Syria

        Yes. But they are doing so through proxies. In the military world, that is akin to sub-contracting. For the US, its cost is measured first in money and last in troops or military hardware.

        Special operations forces and drone operations have been dramatically expanded

        Exactly. They have expanded due to their ease of deployment and the safety and comfort involved in using them. A pilot can sit in Nevada and through remote control kill Afghans, Somalis and Yemenites without so much as breaking a sweat.

        By contrast, the soldier occupying a Baghdad street requires medical services, training, benefits and auxiliary services that do not necessarily translate to an effective killing machine. Still, foot soldiers are needed to maintain the urban occupation, the street-level presence of a military force.

        the US is shifting and expanding Pacific operations to contain China

        In terms of financial investment, the money the US put in those renovations is negligible compared to its current investment in the occupation of Afghanistan and presence in other areas.

        has increased both troops and carriers in the Middle East, the defense budget is skyrocketing

        The defense budget isn’t quite skyrocketing. But a war with Iran will certainly require the economic resources that have the potential of collapsing the US economy.

        and, based on your cold headed analysis of the facts on the ground you conclude that the US is reluctant to start another war.

        I am concluding that the US — its military leadership — knows its limits and it knows its breaking point. McCrystal once said that to transform Afghanistan, the US would require close to 700,000 troops on the ground. And despite all the surges, the US still doesn’t have a number approaching 200,000 on the ground. The point is that the military is overstretched.

        Sorry, partner, but technically “As with sanctions and covert military onslaughts on Iraq in the run up to 2003, the first point to underline is that the US is waging war on Iran.” (Alexander Cockburn) link to counterpunch.org

        I disagree. The difference is that the US was in good economic standing back in the 1990s when it imposed sanctions on Iraq. The sanctions served the function of exhausting and starving the enemy before striking and delivering the Coup de grace.

        By contrast, my contention is that the US is doing the same with Iran in order to appease Israel. Why?

        (1) Iran has flourishing ties with Russia and China. So sanctions on Iran will require a global effort to have a meaningful effect. In other words, it’s unrealistic.

        (2) The US economy has changed significantly since the 1990s. It’s on the verge of collapse. So any confrontation with Iran cannot be large in scale.

        “The Leveretts’ writing reads like Everyone sucks rhetoric. It seeks to whitewash Israel’s culpability by muddying the waters and surfacing feeble arguments.”

        Yup, anyone who deviates from your laser-like focus on the “Lobby” as the fount of all evil must be trying to whitewash Israel. What other explanation is there?

        I have outlined my position above quite clearly. You are looking at the world from afar — i.e. the big picture — but you do not seem to appreciate the complexity and function of the details involved.

        • ” Special operations forces and drone operations have been dramatically expanded

          Exactly. They have expanded due to their ease of deployment and the safety and comfort involved in using them.”

          And because they are highly profitable — Israel is making money hand over fist selling drones. In an appearance on C Span extolling the merits of the slaughter in Libya since it opened the way for “World Bank and IMF assistance in setting up international trade and finance,” Mark Ginsberg, former US ambassador to Morocco, mentioned a Canadian company that supplied drones to the effort to overthrow Libya’s rulers. Hard to find out if Ginsberg has a financial stake in the Canadian company, but that’s where smart money goes to make more money — defense weaponry.

          In WWII, when US was firebombing civilian targets in Germany and Japan, a primary concern was the financial efficiency of the operation.

          And according to Ronen Bergman who wrote about Israel’s “30 years secret war with Iran,” all through the 1980-1988 war, Israel sold weapons to Khomeini’s government. “Our goal was to sell, sell, sell, and let them kill each other. No one gave a single thought to the ethics of the situation,” Bergman quotes one Israeli defense ministry official as saying.

          Is Lieberfeld aware of the way Israel makes its revenue?
          Are Americans aware that their leaders seek to keep them fat and happy by killing other people?

          I keep thinking of what it must be like to find out that your father maintains your lavish lifestyle by working as a paid assassin, or by selling poison, or by robbing banks.

        • Keith says:

          AVI_G- First of all, thanks for the thoughtful reply. It obviously took some time and I appreciate that.

          Part of your response seems to be agreement concerning the use of drones and special operations forces, although you concentrate on the drones. Drones, I might add, that have demonstrably violated Iran’s airspace, an act of war. Let us look instead at the logical inferences from the use of special operations forces. What exactly do they do? They engage in illegal covert operations. They engage in all sorts of provocative and destabilizing activities. Their use a form of low level hostilities short of full scale war. Not the type of thing to do to friends and allies, or to engage in if trying to calm things down. Also, being covert, one would hardly expect to know where they are operating specifically or what exactly they are doing. Generally speaking, however, sabotage, assassinations and recruiting local terrorists falls under their purview.

          We may rightly suspect that they are operating in Iran, after all, that is what they have been established to do. One would be surprised if they are not, particularly after Obama continues to reiterate that all options are on the table. Any additional confirmation?

          From the link to the Leveratts article we find that “In May 2010, the New York Times reported on a “Joint Unconventional Warfare Task Force Execute Order”, signed by then CENTCOM commander General David Petraeus in September 2009 authorizing the sending of U.S. Special Operations personnel to Iran “to gather intelligence about the country’s nuclear program” and “identify dissident groups that might be useful for a future military offensive.”

          Additionally, Ted Snider (Zmail) noted that “Seymour Hersh reported as far back as 2006 that American “clandestine activities” were taking place inside Iran. Hersh said that “teams of American combat troops have been ordered into Iran, under cover, to collect targeting data and to establish contact with anti-government ethnic-minority groups”.

          Under these circumstances, Avi, I find the notion of a lack of CIA knowledge and involvement not credible and, like the Leveretts, have said so. Hardly the type of statement indicative of support for Israel, or an attempt to whitewash Israel.

          And yes, I am a big picture kind of guy. I don’t believe in evaluating specific events in isolation, rather, I tend to look at things within the overall framework of political economy and imperial power seeking and strategy. In my view, we have entered a period of planned instability and shocking change, and attempt to rapidly lock in elite control. The empire is on a rampage even as it undergoes metamorphosis.

          Finally, more as an aside as anything else, in regards to my comment about the military budget “skyrocketing,” perhaps that does qualify as hyperbole, however, if one were to compare the military budget in 2001, plus additional war money (none), with the military budget in 2011 (10 years after 911), plus the additional costs for Afghanistan and Iraq, I think you would find a very substantial increase. We are a warfare state by design.

    • dahoit says:

      Whose reluctance would that be?I would imagine the military,who gives the most to Dr.Paul,might be most reluctant,but I see very little reluctance by our political chumps who use words beyond the bounds of decency to make this situation worse,and who are starting military actions all over Africa,and Asia.
      And maybe Dr.Paul is starting to influence our policies,as the monsters are scared of American awakening to the real enemy,those who say they have more rights than others to be safe and secure,when it’s obvious that security will never, ever happen unless all are secure.

      • dahoit says:

        And if America was partially behind(or totally)this assassination,and trying to put the onus on Israel,expect the MSM to attack US and defend the Zionist entity,as they always do and will.
        I hope they do,as it will further delineate our dilemma of dual citizen control of our media.

    • Tuyzentfloot says:

      (Avi)The Leveretts’ writing reads like Everyone sucks rhetoric. It seeks to whitewash Israel’s culpability by muddying the waters and surfacing feeble arguments.

      In addition, their writing cherry picks information to fit their agenda.

      I could agree that their writing cherrypicks information to fit their agenda. Their agenda is that of a policymaker and it’s at the bottom, it’s pushing a favorite theme, and the example that keeps returning is that of Nixon taking a fairly radical step of calling off the dogs before starting negotiations with China to signal that he was serious about negotiating. The concept is effectiveness, which is best contrasted with efficiency. With efficiency you’re afraid to invest more than necessary in order to achieve an effect, so you’ll invest just enough. With effectiveness you’ll throw in a good margin and take the risk to bevery wasteful in order to make sure the effect is achieved. That is what they advocate with Iran.

  8. Avi_G. says:

    The Leveretts’ writing reads like Everyone sucks rhetoric. It seeks to whitewash Israel’s culpability by muddying the waters and surfacing feeble arguments.

    In addition, their writing cherry picks information to fit their agenda. They ignore, for example, the reluctance of the United States to start another war. The last thing the US needs now is another front. It hasn’t the resources, it hasn’t the manpower. And NATO won’t be there to help, given current economic turmoil in Europe.

    Addition:

    At the moment, from the US perspective, the region is manageable. In other words, the US is occupying Afghanistan, still has presence in Iraq and the usual resources in the Gulf region (Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc.). So in that sense there is a semblance of stability, a situation that is controllable. If the US attacks Iran, then there will be a continuity of violent resistance extending from Pakistan all the way to Iraq with the potential of connecting with other conflicts in the region to include Syria, for example. And that, no US leadership is going to be able to manage or cope with.

  9. lysias says:

    Israel, U.S. postpone joint anti-missile exercise:

    WASHINGTON (JTA) — The United States and Israel have delayed a major joint anti-missile exercise against a backdrop of heightened tensions with Iran.

    Sources in both countries said that the exercise, the largest of its kind, would be delayed from its planned spring date until the summer at the earliest.

    . . .

    However, the cancellation also comes against a background of increasing tensions with Iran, where some officials in the regime have suggested that Iran could shut down the Strait of Iran, choking off much of the West’s oil supply, if western nations press ahead with increased sanctions.

    There have also been reports of increased tensions between the administrations of President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over Israel’s alleged refusal to share with the United States whether or not it plans to strike Iran.

  10. Kathleen says:

    That interview with Mark Perry on Al Jazeera is worth the listening to. He sounds like they know there are real possible threats to US citizens etc as a response to these killings of Iranian scientist by Mossad/CIA. That someone may retaliate.

  11. Kathleen says:

    And still Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, Ed, Al Sharpton, Up all too chicken shit to have the incredibly brilliant well informed Leverett on their programs. What sell outs. The 1% pundit class.

  12. ToivoS says:

    The Leverett’s make the very good point that Mark Perry’s piece is, in part, an effort to whitewash CIA involvement with Junalla. There is something else about this story that occurred to me. He says that the Israelis were more or less openly working to recruit Junalla terrorists. Openly in the spook world probably means not going out of their way to hide it from CIA personal. This must have occurred in Baluchistan which means that the CIA had their own agents there. This supports what Hirsh wrote in the New Yorker a few years back and what the Leverett’s have been saying. In any case it seems likely that the CIA was cooking up some plots of their own with the Junallas.

    Now, of course, Obama finally is becoming aware that we could end up in a full blown war with Iran and we are sending signal after signal to the Iranians — Please don’t blame the US, it is all Israel’s fault. The cancellation of the war game with Israel, the additional leaks appearing in the Time article and Panetta’s vehement denial with the cryptic statement “we have some idea” who assassinated the Iranian scientist are all part of this signal to Iran.

    • Avi_G. says:

      The group’s name is Junudullah, Soldiers of God. Jundi (Pronounced Jun – dee) is Arabic for soldier.

      • ToivoS says:

        Avi what is your point? It is very difficult for English speakers to find the correct transliteration for Arabic words and names. Are you trying to make a point here? Or are you just letting us know of your own superior knowledge?

        • Avi_G. says:

          ToivoS says:
          January 16, 2012 at 12:05 am

          It is very difficult for English speakers to find the correct transliteration for Arabic words and names.

          Since you seem to prefer the “difficult” way, I’ll be more than happy to remedy that.

          So I’ve since deleted my comment and now you can do your own research to find the correct transliteration, however difficult that may be.

    • I suppose it’s what I want to hear; I thought Panetta’s brief speech sent a lot of signals -Panetta -spoke these words in front of his soldiers, — he’s got to keep the military on the side of the administration, not enraged that they are being made patsies of– men trained to kill who have been made fools of can be very dangerous if they get rebellion in their minds;
      Panetta made it known that there are back-channel communications going on between US and Iran– US IS talking to Iran and has, perhaps, transmitted assurances that if Iran can forbear, US will do what it can to cool the situation;

      Panetta tossed in the ‘red line’ crap NOT as warnings to Iran (see second point, above) but to soothe Israelis (no nukes redline) and the world energy markets (no blocking straits of Hormuz).

      This is Bay of Pigs time, ladies & gents. Difference is that Israel is much more dangerous than USSR ever was, and with USSR, at least US recognized that the enemy was the enemy. When the party that would/could do you the most harm is not recognized as an adversary but as your ally, you’ve got triple the problem on your hands.

      gotta hand it to the zios; masterfully played.
      My money is still on the USofA, tho; after all is said and done, RIGHT makes might and not the other way around, and the US was established — on paper, at least, on the basis of doing what is right, not on the Jabotinsky worldview of unrestrained use of military might.

  13. Pamela Olson says:

    A handsome, intelligent, happy Iranian — nothing is more dangerous to Israel than this.

    What does it say about a state that can only “defend” itself through utterly indefensible actions?

    • Charon says:

      It says a lot. Unfortunately the message isn’t getting across to enough people to change perceptions, mostly because of the MSM. Something major needs to happen to wake people up. Something too massive for the MSM not to ignore. Something like maybe a mass arrest of Israelis who were planning on blowing up Chicago with a stolen nuke, even if it was a fabricated story. Neocon hawks and Israeli leaders fabricate evidence against their enemies, we should be using their tactics. Fabrication isn’t even unnecessary, Israeli spy activity in the US is second only to China. I’m sure they’re up to no good and there is plenty of dirt which would change American perceptions in an instant. Some speculate they fund their spying activity by scams such as mall kiosks, usually in areas where the activity is centered around. I say go check out the kiosks at your local mall. I noticed one such kiosk today selling hair straightening products. Not saying they are up to no good but it is quite strange.

      I wouldn’t count on such a major event occurring in this establishment. Even when Israeli policy is criticized, there are never any punishments. It’s just meaningless words with no actions. Israel just continues acting like Israel because they can get away with it. Moral standards do not apply to Zionism. Zionism is the exception to the rule, disagree and they label you an antisemite.

    • PLainLP says:

      Considering that the biggest Iranian threat to Israel is a short beady eyed religious idiot called Ahmedinejad I think you’re pulling poetry out of the valley of eternal darkness.

      • you display your ignorance PLainLP;
        1. Ahmadinejad has no power to “threaten” real harm to Israel; his only tools are rhetoric;

        2. Ahmadinejad is actually on the liberal side of the situation; he has urged for rapprochement with the West; a primary spokesman of his said Iran has no beef with Israel or words to that effect; powers higher than Ahmadinejad insisted that the spokesman be sacked, and he was.

        3. Ahmadinejad’s record of extending education, health care, rights to the rural and poor in Iran SHOULD make the hearts of American liberals go pitty pat.

        I think you’re pulling your analysis — which consists mainly of name calling — out of the darkness of a sphinctered part of your anatomy.

      • dahoit says:

        The biggest threat to Israel is their overwhelming insistence of pride of place, an ancient affliction.
        And your alleged short beady eyed religious idiot makes one think that you are the idiot,as nothing he has ever said compares to the lies and idiocy displayed by the leaders of Israel as they destroy their nation from within,in an act of madness and hubris.
        Ahmadinejad could have played Rupert Pupkin,as his speaking style is an echo of DeNiro,and his interview was refreshing and sane,and totally unSantorum.

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