Wow, talk about an all star cast of characters!
For some background on the Shit People Say phenomena check out Allison Deger's Sh*t the David Project says about Israel:
If Ramsey's video is to explore the gaze of the oppressed, a more apropos video would be called, "Sh*t Zionists say to Palestinians." However, no one has made that video yet.
Close Allison! I'm ready for more and we're certainly not lacking in material. Have you visited Shit Liberal Zionists Say?
(Hat tip Yousef Al Jamal)
there should be two new versions:
Sh*t Zionists Say in front of Goy Money-Givers
and
Sh*t Zionists Say Around the Dinner Table
radii, i hope this is the beginning of a trend. someone could slap together a video of shit zionists say in the comment section of mondoweiss.
My favourite was, “I don’t feel like Barack Obama feels his love for Israel, he gives Israel weapons, but he doesn’t feel giving them the weapons” AHAHAHAHAHAHA
that back and forth action when max says feel. lol
Annie…. you mean sh*t, not shit. Oh crap, now we’re both banned. ;)
No banning, no shit! (it’s right there in the headline, and in Allison’s)
Oops, already Allison’s headline’s been changed, is Annie next to be made pc? Too many chiefs, huh?
actually there is a method to our madness. both allison and i took our headlines directly off the youtube videos.
;)
“we have jews from ethiopia…..and we even let them vote”
sht man, that was really funny….
LOL…those quotes are hysterical.
You need some by the christo zios too, they are really wild.
American: Never met one although I have looked just about everywhere. What kind of things do they say?
I don’t personally know any either but I see their stuff on the net….their favorite seems to be ‘God will curse America if we don’t support the Jews’ and God will destroy America if we let Israel be destroyed or Americ’s survival depends on Israel and other assorted twisted and made up bible babble.
Yeah I’ve seen that too.
Those kind of statements are used by them as a curse on those who don’t go along with them and bow the knee to their idol and their false “theology”.
It’s a disgusting misuse of their own scripture and a denial of their Jesus. I say that not as an unbeliever but as one of a growing number of evangelicals who won’t have a bar of their cultic twaddle.
American, I know a few. The ones I know don’t respond to the label “Zionist,” nor do they know anything at all about Zionism. They are not Hagee followers per se. They identify as Americans who have a personal relationship with Jesus.
While they never use the term “zionist,” and don’t respond to it, they do think they know something about Islam/Muslims, which is that the terrorist Muslims want to take over the world and establish Sharia Law in the USA. They do quote the bible in support of their firm belief that Jews are chosen by God and they literally equate the state of Israel with that word in the bible, totally disregarding any use of that word as part of figurative language, and, again, they firmly believe the Jews must be supported, this includes Israel–at all costs–literally at all costs, including contributing the full wealth and blood of America. For them, God’s word is clear, and if you don’t support the Jewish tribe above any other, you will not be accepted into heaven. If you keep throwing facts, historical or current, at them, in the end they will say they will pray for you, hope you will one day see the light, wish you well, and since no tribe or people is perfect, they tell you, “OK, so you have chosen your tribe, the Palestinians, and I have chosen mine, the Jews. I won’t discuss this matter with you anymore. BTW, do you have a Palestinian lover, or best friend? Why do you keep discussing the Palestinians? ” These fundies I know do not personally know any Jewish person at all, and have never lived where there were lots of Jews. I can assure you, if the fundies I know, who again, do not even identify as “Christian Zionists,” are any indication, they are set in their beliefs and will not be moved. (BTW, these fundies have also never known any Arab, Palestinian or otherwise–nor have they ever communicated with one via email or otherwise online.)
Finally, I also knew one “Jews for Jesus” woman. She was a font of the most recognizable pure hasbara sound bites, but would sometimes check out any support references you gave her for what you told her–she would always come back, calling those sources anti-semitic/anti-Israel. She says there might be a Jew somewhere back in her family tree, but she had no details, just, it sounded like, a wish.
Citizen, you’ve described what is effectively a cult within Christianity that bloomed by the establishment of Israel in 1948, and has grown to what it is today.
The term “Christian Zionism” is the one used by their opponents, not by them. For them it’s all about Israel and Jews, and about God’s so-called plan for them today, not about Zionism as such at all.
So it isn’t surprising many are unfamiliar with it, as most are too tribal to really know others, or what they think and say. They are securely cocooned, and like it that way; why bother with anyone else when you’ve got a corner on God that’s cut and dried?
I agree with your post, but are you really on the level with that summation of what they tell you when all discussion ends? Especially the BTW part. Was that just one, or do many talk like that?
Them Jews is fightin’ sonofabitsches an ah wan’em on mah side!
That’s as funny as the video,which if one was a visitor from another planet,would call satire.Because it exposes the Zionists as complete wackos,vapid and obvious bigots,and reenforces the injustice narrative towards the Palestinians.And I guarantee,without their gunsels and weapon monopoly,they would be toast if these people were the front line defense against comparable forces.
So much for overweening pride of place.
I’ve mentioned Matt Taibbi’s ‘Great Derangement’ here before. Part of it is a report on the CZs he joined up with as part of his analysis of the post-9/11 atmosphere. It’s extremely funny but I don’t think it guys, or fails to show any sympathy, with the characters he encounters, their search for meaning in life and the exploitation of their search by what is really a massive corporation with corporate messages. He makes ‘the kind of things they say’ sound banal rather than outrageous. People gather to find friendship and an escape (rather limited in its success) from the meanness and pettiness of the secular world. The group leaders say things like ‘We must always pray for Israel’ – dull but consistent drip-drip propaganda – as often as corporate policy requires.
“We offer p*ss, they give us terror.”
Maybe the kind of thing a settler would say after a sewage discharge causes the Palestinian neighbors to swear in their general direction. After all, verbal violence, especially in Arabic, can be construed as terrorism.
110825 Sami Abdel-Shafi (Comment, 23 August) justifiably mourns the lack of economic opportunities in Gaza, but yet again comes to the only Palestinian conclusion – it must be Israel’s fault. Israel provided business development courses for thousands of Palestinian professionals during the 1990s, which had to cease due to the horrific terror wave of the second intifada. Tens of thousands of Palestinians used to work in Israel, until Palestinian terror also put an end to this.
Then Israel set up industrial zones around Gaza, in which Israelis and Palestinians worked together. Terror attacks, including Palestinians attacking their fellow Israeli workers, forced the zone to be deserted. Next, Israel withdrew from Gaza, leaving behind extensive agricultural infrastructure. Thousands of rockets were fired on to the homes of Israeli citizens from the exact same greenhouses that could have offered the Gazans amazing economic opportunities. Mr Abdel-Shafi should be asking his fellow Palestinians, Hamas and others, to comply with the international community’s demand to renounce terror. After which, there should be plenty of new economic opportunities for Gaza.
Amir Ofek
Embassy of Israel
A couple of days ago, a story appeared on the IDF Spokesperson’s Website which did just that. The story essentially reports on an interview with one “Mathilde Redmatn”, deputy head of the Red Cross in Gaza. The author quotes Redmatn as saying:
“There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza,” she explains. “If you go to the supermarket, there are products. There are restaurants and a nice beach. The problem is mainly in maintenance of infrastructure and in access to goods, concrete for example. Israel has the legitimate right to protect the civilan population…”
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• RUTH ZAKH
• OPINION: The new flotilla to Gaza is all about delivering provocation rather than aid, just like last year’s
• IMAGINE THE house next door to yours was occupied by neighbours who announced that one of their most cherished goals was to drive you off your property and then proceeded to launch daily barrages of explosives into your yard, with no regard to whether these missiles exploded on the lawn, on your roof or in the faces of your children.
• This scenario describes Israel’s current reality. In 2005, Israel implemented its “disengagement plan”, completely withdrawing both its military and civilian presence from the Gaza Strip.
• While Israel hoped disengagement would serve as a springboard for improving relations with its neighbours, the opposite occurred: Hamas, an EU- and US- designated terrorist organisation, took control of Gaza and stepped up rocket attacks, firing more than 10,000 rockets and mortars at civilian targets within the internationally recognised borders of Israel proper – targets that have included kindergartens, schoolbuses and marketplaces.
• The heavy armament used in these attacks is smuggled into Gaza via land and sea. One need not look any further than the March 2011 interception of the Victoria to appreciate the threat posed by maritime arms smuggling: on board the Victoria – an otherwise legitimate commercial vessel – 50 tons of advanced weaponry were unearthed, including land-to-sea missiles, originated in Iran and bound for Gaza.
• Israel, as a democratic state, looks for legal tools to curb such smuggling and respond to Hamas’ terrorist attacks against its citizens, much as the Irish Government did when faced with maritime smuggling to paramilitaries in Northern Ireland. One of the recognised and legitimate tools available under international law in the context of an armed conflict is the naval blockade, which may be imposed on international waters. Indeed, naval blockades have been imposed throughout the 20th century in the context of both international and non-international conflicts, and the naval manuals of several western countries including the US and UK, and Germany, recognise the naval blockade as an effective, legal measure. When a blockade is in effect, any vessel that breaches or attempts to breach a blockade, irrespective of the cargo on board or of the vessel’s nature – whether enemy or neutral – may be subject to legal measures to enforce the blockade, including capture. Furthermore, these measures may be undertaken in international waters at a distance from the naval blockade, if there are reasonable grounds to believe that a vessel intends to violate the blockade.
• Israel’s naval blockade stands the legal tests set forth in the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflict at Sea (1994). In particular, Israel meets its humanitarian obligations towards the civilian population of Gaza. Since Israel liberalised its policies in June 2010, all civilian goods are allowed into Gaza via accepted land channels recognised by the UN and other major human rights groups.
• At present 36,000 tons of goods are transferred weekly. Moreover, just this week, Egypt opened its border with the Gaza Strip. In this vein it should be stressed that the flotilla protesters, past and present, have been made aware that all humanitarian goods delivered to these land corridors will be transferred to Gaza.
• In her article in yesterday’s edition “Flotilla aims to turn tide on Israel’s Gaza policies” on the opinion page, Claudia Saba maintained: “The Palestinians will accept nothing less than a total end to the illegal blockade and all forms of violence and discrimination against them.”
• Israel, likewise, calls for a “total end” of the violence against its sovereign territory and civilian population and asks that its desire to protect its citizens from efforts to expand the armory of weapons intended for its destruction be respected. The need to stop maritime arms smuggling is the reason for the naval blockade.
• Last year the Israeli blockade of Gaza was challenged by a flotilla of six vessels claiming to carry peace activists bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza. As these ships approached and were duly notified of the blockade by Israel, five of the vessels, including the Irish one, complied, and no violence of any kind ensued.
• However, aboard the sixth vessel were some 40 members of the IHH, an Istanbul-based terrorist organisation with a history of providing material support to jihadi campaigns worldwide, including in Chechnya and Afghanistan. They initiated a violent attack against the Israeli soldiers undertaking legal blockade-enforcement actions, while shouting: “Go back to Auschwitz!”
• The tragic outcome of their violence is well known. Contrary to what is asserted in Saba’s article, the events of last year’s incident were thoroughly investigated by a special public commission, which was headed by a former supreme court justice and included two foreign observers. Israel is also co-operating in an investigation of the flotilla incident being undertaken by the secretary general of the UN.
• It should be noted that when these vessels purporting to deliver humanitarian aid were unloaded, two of the vessels – including the largest ship, the Mavi Marmara – carried no humanitarian aid whatsoever, while two-thirds of the medical “aid” found on board the other ships had expired prior to their voyage. These findings point to the fact that the goal of this flotilla was not the delivery of humanitarian aid but rather the delivery of a politically charged provocation.
• Now, for the second year in a row, hundreds of activists are planning a protest flotilla to Hamas-controlled Gaza, and, once again, at the vanguard of this campaign is the IHH. The international community has recognised the pernicious nature of this activity, with the call, just a few days ago, by the UN secretary general to all relevant governments “to use their influence to discourage such flotillas”, pointing to their highly political and incendiary nature. Indeed flotilla protesters, past and present, have little real concern for the people of our region or for resolving the historic conflict. Their goals are entirely political – to cause a political provocation and to delegitimise Israel.
• It is now up to responsible states to ensure that last year’s events are not repeated and that regional actors are not drawn into a political circus and pushed further apart, to the detriment of all those who live in the region.
• This is the time for a mutually-negotiated end to our conflict, not for unconstructive, divisive and illegal political stunts at sea or on land.
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• Ruth Zakh is deputy ambassador at the embassy of Israel in Dublin
Israeli military spokeswoman Maj. Avital Leibovich on Monday cited intelligence reports saying extremists in the flotilla have “dangerous incendiary chemicals” for use against Israeli forces.
israeltheviewfromhere.blogspot.com/2011/06/flotilla-fraud-sinks-ships-that-lie.html
. THERE IS NO HUMANITARIAN CRISIS IN GAZA. The International Red Cross has said so.
You only have to search Google Earth to view spectacular pictures of modern day life in Gaza with beautiful homes, gorgeous squares and broad avenues, luxury hotels, fine restaurants, new sporting facilities, several splendid shopping malls. So what is all this nonsense of coming to rescue and free the poor people of Gaza?
The gates are open between Israel and Gaza with aid, goods, money, and services finding their way into the Strip in an orderly and supervised fashion. There is full cooperation between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. All goods and services are checked by both parties and, as long as there are no weapon grade materials, everything flows into Gaza unhindered. Since the upheaval in Egypt the border between Gaza and Ehypt is now also open. The rush of Palestinian wishing to leave has been surprising. Only an average of two hundred and fifty people care to “escape” Gaza daily.
If their motivation was to bring human rights and an expression of love and humanity to people in Gaza why did they refuse to make contact or demand that Hamas release Gilad Shalit. This Israeli boy was kidnapped in Israel, dragged across the border into Gaza, thrown into a dark room, been kept isolated from the world for five full years. Hamas has refused to offer any sign of life. They refused access from the International Red Cross. They cruelly taunt Shalit’s family. Yet, the “humanitarian” cruise passengers refuse to confront Hamas and demand the immediate release of Gilad Shalit from Gaza should they get there. Alice Walker! Where is your compassion now?
Readers should research not only the level of prosperity in Palestinian society with an economy growing at a rate of 12% annually. They should also compare Palestinian lifestyle with other areas of the world. Life expectancy if longer than people in Africa and Asia. Child mortality is lower than those regions. Obesity is greater than those places. All signs of a healthy, wealthy, society.
So why aren’t these flotilla radicals not taking their aid to places where it is desperately needed? Because the starving in Africa are not the poster child of the radicals, nor do they interest the Arab Muslim world. They have no interest in following the lead of stars such as Bob Geldorf and Bono who are genuinely trying to help the genuine needy of this world. Israel helps these people, as it helps improve the lives of Palestinians. The flotilla mob, however, are using their pet project as a club to beat Israel. That, ladies and gentlemen, is the bottom line, the profound truth, about what this flotilla joke is all about.
. In May, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Congress that the Middle East was “a region where women are stoned, gays are hanged, Christians are persecuted.”
Sorry, but is this supposed to be funny? Because it’s super lame.