One crazed murderer sparks Zionist calls for European migration to Israel

This doesn’t seem very logical. But it’s the ideology of Zionism, we can’t integrate in the west. From the Times of Israel:

[Member of Knessed] Ya’akov Katz called Monday for Jews to leave France in the wake of a deadly attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse.

“There is no Jewish future in France,” Katz, of the National Union party, said, adding that the state of Israel is the future of the Jewish people, and that Jews should not trust their fate to “Sarkozy, Obama or other world leaders.”

From YNet, “A Jew-Free Europe,” by Giulio Meotti. Notice the use of the word “the remnant.” This is the traditional Israeli description of what was left after the Holocaust.

The question we face at this time is as follows: will the Jews have a place in the New Europe? Or will the remnant of European Jewry flee once again? 

Nearly 80% of European Jews today can be found in France and in the United Kingdom. In both countries, the number of Jews is dramatically falling. When Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, reacting to anti-Semitic attacks in France, said in 2004 that French aliyah is “a must and they have to move immediately,” people were embarrassed. But these sentiments have changed.

A new exodus from the Diaspora could now take place. In the past few years, the number of French Jews immigrating to Israel has doubled. Hundreds of French Jews have bought apartments in Israel. It’s their “pied-a-terre” in case the situation gets darker in Europe….

Prominent Dutch politician Frits Bolkestein recently sparked an uproar in the Netherlands by saying that Jews “should emigrate to the US or Israel.” Bolkestein’s remarks echoed those of Benjamin Jacobs, Holland’s chief rabbi, who in 2010 said that “the future for Dutch Jewry is moving to Israel.”

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  1. Pamela Olson says:

    “Hundreds of French Jews have bought apartments in Israel. It’s their “pied-a-terre” in case the situation gets darker in Europe…”

    Where is the Gazans’ “pied-a-terre”? I think they need it about now…

  2. eljay says:

    >> “There is no Jewish future in France,” Katz, of the National Union party, said, adding that the state of Israel is the future of the Jewish people …

    And that’s why it’s called the Jewish state! Safely within its 1948 1967 borders lands, Jews can congregate and live in stimulating aggressor-victimhood fear as they colonize the rest of Palestine and wait for Hitlerdinejad to wipe them off the map with his Iranian nukes.

  3. Pamela Olson says:

    What’s ironic about all this is that the victims of this crime were endangered BECAUSE OF ISRAEL. The gunman said it himself — he was doing it to protest Israel’s brutality. Engaging in brutality of your own is, of course, entirely the wrong way to go about protesting brutality. (Wish someone would tell that to the US government…) But Israel’s brutality is enough to unhinge even normal people — for people who are already disturbed, it can push them right over the edge.

    The miracle, as I’ve said many times, is that more innocents haven’t been targeted in mad rage, given the sheer number of innocents targeted every hour of every day by Israel.

    • hophmi says:

      “What’s ironic about all this is that the victims of this crime were endangered BECAUSE OF ISRAEL.”

      How the hell do you know? The guy belonged to an Al-Qaeda affiliate. Don’t you get it? Israel could be the most peaceful country on the face of the planet. The guy is still going to shoot these Jews. He hates Jews, because he believes in a crazy ideology. He uses the Palestinians AS AN EXCUSE. And you buy it. The guy walked up to a little girl, grabbed her by the hair and EXECUTED HER. He shot a little boy AS HE TRIED TO CRAWL AWAY. He also killed a few French soldiers; I guess that’s Israel’s fault too. This has NOTHING to do with Israel. It has to do with the ideology of extreme radical Islam.

      Are you going to write this crap if some Jew shoots up a mosque in France and says he did it because of all of the Israeli children who have been killed by suicide bombers, or all of the people who have been killed by Al-Qaeda fanatics?

      Your naivete and callousness is disgusting.

      • marc b. says:

        How the hell do you know?

        well, if you believe press reports about the alleged murderer, he stated that he had committed the crimes in retaliation for israeli treatment of palestinian children.

        The guy belonged to an Al-Qaeda affiliate.

        well, again, if you believe initial press reports. it now appears that the initial reports of who this guy is, and what he has done in the past, may not be accurate. both pakastani and afghani representatives state that the conduct the french attribute to him, imprisonment in afghanistan, travel to pakistan, etc. is not consistent with their intelligence. i find it unfathomable that the french had this guy under surveillance for years, and liked him as a suspect of the murder of the french paratroopers, but somehow managed to let him slip through their clouseauian dragnet to murder children.

        Israel could be the most peaceful country on the face of the planet. The guy is still going to shoot these Jews.

        but it isn’t the most peaceful country on the face of the planet. in fact it is something substantially less than that. and since you are so agitated over speculative commentary, how the f*ck do you know what ‘the guy’ would or would not have done if israel were ‘the most peaceful country on the face of the planet’?

        He uses the Palestinians AS AN EXCUSE.

        there it is. it took a bit longer than i expected, but internal contradiction in your arguments is inevitable. so his actions were not really a response to israeli conduct, but treatment of palestinians was AN EXCUSE. (must you dolts all yell?) what are you, a fricken’ mind reader? you accept that a statement by the alleged murderer is an accurate report of his comments, then you question his state of mind, on the basis of …?

        and then, *yawn*, more yelling, misdirection, hypocrisy, ….

        no hopee, israel’s conduct has no effect on anyone. pictures of dead palestinian children caused by the IDF, cheered on by israeli spectators in arm chairs, certainly would never elicit the same kind of anguish and rage as the death of jewish children, and palestinians certainly could never mourn the loss of their friends and family as deeply as israelis, and any suggestion to the contrary is anti-semitic.

        • if you believe press reports about the alleged murderer, he stated that he had committed the crimes in retaliation for israeli treatment of palestinian children.

          does anyone know when these interviews took place or with whom?

        • marc b. says:

          does anyone know when these interviews took place or with whom?

          that’s a good question, annie. the only source for the alleged statements that i’ve seen is the french interior minister, who said yesterday

          “He claims to be a mujahideen and to belong to al Qaeda.

          “He wanted revenge for the Palestinian children and he also wanted to take revenge on the French army because of its foreign interventions.”

          i have not seen a more detailed explanation of when the suspect made these statements and to whom, although i’m left with the vague impression that he was shouting these comments at ‘the scene’ where he was ultimately shot in the head by french police, and then jumped out of a window. or something like that.

        • marc b. says:

          annie, i looked at the le monde reports again, and it appears that Gueant (interior minister) alleges the suspect made the ‘palestinian revenge’ statements during negotiations with RAID, although his comment is such a mishmash of ‘reportage’ from the scene and background intelligence it is a bit unclear. in any event Gueant successfully tied the suspect to muslims from kandahar to paris.

        • Mooser says:

          “what are you, a fricken’ mind reader? “

          You bet your bippee he’s a mind-reader! And, he’s got one of them there his-torical memories, which extends into the future.

        • (interior minister) alleges the suspect made the ‘palestinian revenge’ statements during negotiations with RAID

          so, according to the authorities before he was killed he made a confession with a political motive for the attack. shortly, if doubt emerges, perhaps a tape will be produced of this exchange.

          i wonder if he said more about his rational for killing the soldiers. i wonder if he thought about those little children slaughtered in afghanistan.

        • marc b. says:

          just bizarre stuff, annie. i’ll nip my OCD following of this issue in the bud, but there are now news reports that the suspect had appeared in public waving a sword, shouting ‘al qaeda, al qaeda’, had beaten up the sister of a young boy he had forced to watch jihadist ‘beheading videos’, was mostly unemployed without a centime to his name, yet managed to stockpile all kinds of weapons, including automatic weapons, in france (which, unlike the US, is not awash in guns) and travel on multiple occasions to pakistan/afghanist, all of this violent and suspicious behavior occurring while under the surveillance of sarkozy’s special security apparatus, and after he had already served time in prison. it seems as if this tragedy could have been avoided.

        • Blake says:

          He did call an editor at a French News outlet whose name escapes me but said editor was interviewed on the BBC news 24 channel. At first she thought it a hoax and said he was extremely polite and eloquent and was not in a hurry to get off the phone answering all her questions. Apparently there were 3 reasons why he did what he did and that was because of French involvement in Afghanistan, avenging innocent Palestinians who had been murdered and the banning of women wearing the burqa in France.

        • Blake says:

          Interview with the editor the gunman Mohamed Merah called:
          link to youtube.com

          Israeli press reported that French gunman Mohamed Merah had been on a trip to Israel in the past.
          link to jpost.com

      • Your attempt to exploit the tragedy for your own political threadbare reasoning is pretty disgusting.

        • hophmi says:

          “Your attempt to exploit the tragedy for your own political threadbare reasoning is pretty disgusting.”

          Which, of course, none of you are doing.

        • Cliff says:

          @Hophmi

          You have a point. I think (if I ignore all of your other comments ever), that you bring up a reasonable argument.

          That being said!

          Anyone recall when that Egyptian Muslim woman (pregnant at the time) was stabbed to death in Germany by an Islamophobe who she was suing for bigoted harassment?

          Unemployed Alex W. from Perm in Russia was found guilty last November of insulting and abusing Sherbini, screaming “terrorist” and “Islamist whore” at her, during the Dresden park encounter. He was fined ¤780 but had appealed the verdict, which is why he and Sherbini appeared face to face in court again.

          link to guardian.co.uk

          The snippet of the reactions:

          Angry mourners at the funeral in Alexandria accused Germany of racism, shouting slogans such as “Germans are the enemies of God” and Egypt’s head mufti Muhammad Sayyid Tantawy called on the German judiciary to severely punish Alex W.

          [...]The victim’s brother, Tarek el-Sherbini, labelled Germany as a “cold” country when interviewed by a popular talk show host. Media pundits such as Abdel Azeem Hamad, editor of the daily al-Shorouk newspaper, have attributed the western media’s disinterest in the story to racism, arguing that if Sherbini had been Jewish the incident would have received much greater attention.

          The entire article is interesting.

        • So if you think others are doing it, you must do it also?

        • LeaNder says:

          Cliff, these type of incidents caught my attention in the early 90′s. Attacks targeted e.g. an asylum-seekers’ hostel in Rostock, And Turkish Germans slightly North here in North-Rhine Westphalia. Of course there’s a whole series of such incidents. They really don’t care, if they kill Africans, Arabs or Turks or Jews. It’s whatever they consider foreigners. The latest discovery in this context was a the “national socialist underground” cell killing Turkish shop-owner’s all over Germany, with two exceptions, a policewoman, and not quite sure a German of Greek origin?

          It seems hard to understand for this type of mindset to accept a “foreign” woman stands tall against their foolish national spite.

          It should be easy to see that Islamophobia doesn’t help in this context. And in this context it was highly irritating, to say the least, to find members of the German Jewish establishment joining the far right in the polemics against the Mosque here in Cologne.

          It’s also irritating to find the Center of Antisemitism Studies after it starts to take the perceived threat to Jewish Germans by Muslims on our ground seriously and starts to study it, to find it at the center of a vicious campaign, since it dares to title a conference The image of the Enemy the Jew – The Image of the Enemy the Muslim. And no, I don’t want to give the impression I do not take our homegrown forces seriously and surely they are the much bigger threat in our context. Let’s bomb Iran with the resulting economic consequences for the West and then lets lean back and watch what happens if it results in further recession.

          I happen to think that not even the current more and more strict embargo is the right direction. But what do I know.

      • Cliff says:

        hophmi said:

        The guy belonged to an Al-Qaeda affiliate. Don’t you get it? Israel could be the most peaceful country on the face of the planet. The guy is still going to shoot these Jews. He hates Jews, because he believes in a crazy ideology. He uses the Palestinians AS AN EXCUSE. And you buy it.

        I don’t think hophmi is being completely unreasonable here actually.

        The guy was (as far as we know so far) an Islamic extremist. Although his buddies say they didn’t get that impression from him. His ties to Al Qaeda are suspect so far. They media isn’t saying he WAS an affiliate (as a matter of fact). They are saying he is alleged to have been.

        I read a article where it was said he was part of a Salafist(sp) group but it didn’t have more than 15 members and had no track record of anything (was a new group or something).

        @hophmi

        He killed 3 Muslims as well didn’t he? How do you know he has a long track record of antisemitism? I don’t doubt that he harbored hatred toward Jews. He clearly conflated every Jew at that school w/ Israel and then used Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians as an excuse to kill innocent children.

        Isn’t he first and foremost – a psychopath? This is not to say he loved Jews and suddenly changed his mind once he became cognizant of Palestinian suffering. I just don’t think that antisemitism is his primary identifier. It’s part of who he was (towards the end of his short life).

        • Daniel Rich says:

          @ Cliff,

          Any numbers on how may ‘alleged, supposed, potential, possible, painted, etc.’ terrorists are pushing up daisies at the moment?

      • Pamela Olson says:

        I don’t really understand your outrage. I fully condemn what he did — that should go without saying. Anyone who executes children is a psychopath and a murderer. I over-stated by implying that it was ONLY because of Israel, and for that I apologize — I should have been more careful in my choice of words. His psychopathology is the primary mover in his horrific killing spree. But Israel’s very public and very gruesome crimes against humanity gave him a target, something to focus on, even if he (as I said) took his rage out on completely the wrong thing.

        Israel’s crimes endanger Jews all over the world. Not because it’s right, but because it’s the kind of thing that unhinges people, especially if they were barely hinged to begin with.

        Al Qaeda’s crimes also endanger Muslims all over the world, for the same reason. Hamas’s rockets self-evidently endanger Palestinians, because it unhinges Israelis who smack everything in sight, never stopping to wonder to themselves whether killing more innocents will, in fact, make them more secure.

        How is this controversial?

        Note: It may sound it this note that I think “both sides” are equally wrong. Of course I don’t think this is the case, any more than a bully who hits and a smaller girl who hits back are equally wrong. See: link to mondoweiss.net

      • eljay says:

        >> Israel could be the most peaceful country on the face of the planet.

        But it’s not. It’s a religion-supremacist Jewish state engaged in a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction and murder.

        But, no, it’s never about Israel. Your naïveté and callousness is disgusting.

      • American says:

        “Are you going to write this crap if some Jew shoots up a mosque in France and says he did it because of all of the Israeli children who have been killed by suicide bombers, or all of the people who have been killed by Al-Qaeda fanatics?” hoppie

        Yea I would. A revenge killer is a revenge killer, period.

    • dahoit says:

      How much violence is caused by the Israeli (and American)state?9-11,Iraq,Libya,Lebanon,Syria,Afghanistan,Pakistan etc.want to know for sure.

  4. they have now killed the suspect. sniper took him out.

    link to google.com

    An Al-Qaeda linked group, Jund al-Khilafah, meanwhile claimed responsibility for his shootings, US monitoring group SITE said.

    ….

    Officials in Afghanistan and Pakistan told AFP on Thursday that they could not immediately trace the gunman as having visited either country or having been held by US-led forces.

    But SITE said in a statement: “Jund al-Khilafah, a jihadist group that had previously claimed attacks in Afghanistan and Kazakhstan, claimed responsibility for the shootings in France.”

    SITE, the fabricator of AQ allegations. how helpful/not

    • eljay says:

      >> they have now killed the suspect. sniper took him out.

      Interesting. On the radio this morning, the story was that two shots had been reported just before police lost contact with the killer, and the authorities were pretty certain that he had committed suicide.

      Did he commit suicide, or was it just a ruse so that he could go out in a blaze of Matrix-like glory?
      >> Police said the 23-year-old burst out of the bathroom and shot at police before jumping out the window of his first-floor apartment, still firing as he fell …

      • it sounds like it was written by hollywood scriptwriters. like this important info from SITE, taken from the riggio link:

        On Tuesday, 19 March, one of the knights of Islam, our brother Yusuf al-Firansi [the French], we ask Allah to accept him, went out in an operation that shook the foundations of Zio-Crusaderdom in the whole world and filled the hearts of the enemies of Allah with fear. While we claim our responsibility for these blessed operations, we say that the crimes that Israel is committing against our people in the pure land of Palestine, and in Gaza in particular, will not pass without punishment. The mujahideen everywhere are determined to retaliate for every drop of blood that was spilled unjustly and aggressively in Palestine, Afghanistan, and other Muslim countries.

        • American says:

          “it sounds like it was written by hollywood scriptwriters”…annie

          It does. The news showed a video of him some one made of him drving a car illustrating what looked like defensive driving…like a car chase scene in a movie. Looks to me like this 23 year old ‘fancied’ himself as some kind of terrorist avenger.

  5. oh great, this source Bill Roggio is all over this like flies on sh*t.

    link to longwarjournal.org

    i would not put it past them to create a very simple narrative for public consumption. the opportunity is too much to pass up. i have read this site, longwarjournal, during years of the iraq war. they are a propaganda outfit.

  6. rensanceman says:

    This incident received an enormous amount of MSM coverage with sympathetic narratives for the victims; however the in-depth coverage of the innocent Iranian nuclear scientist killed by the Mossad or its agents received none. The Toulouse incident is being used to make the point that Israel is the only safe haven left for Jews. Having Palestinians in the vicinity would constitute an existential threat.

    • Saleema says:

      Not only that, didn’t hear much about the Muslims killed by the same killer. Didn’t even know about it until he shot Jewish children. Which goes to show how much non-Muslims think the lives of Muslims/Arabs are worth.

  7. gamal says:

    ah yes obviously, al-qaida or is it le cadeau, sarko suddenly doing well he is going to win the election, with the promise to crush muslim extremism (again). Though we will all avidly read the vapid condemnations and pointless moral evaluations of the act, actor and pronouncements of the various parties, who will bomb toulouse, or the Quai d’Orsay, (a small lawless region of the left bank in the tribal territories of the Franks)

    link to activistpost.com

    • lysias says:

      Quelle surprise! The French authorities say they were watching the now deceased accused murderer, but somehow that didn’t stop him from repeated murders.

  8. Daniel Rich says:

    Stop talking. Stop pledging. Just go.

    “This was the work of a ‘rogue’ element in our further peaceful society.” — procoindatadestorition

  9. The way Zionists can flip from “easy living diaspora Jews have no idea what its like living in Israel under constant threat” to “diaspora Jews are at constant risk from crazed anti-semites; Israel is the only safe haven’ is impressive, in a perverse way.

    • seafoid says:

      They just make it up as they go along.
      Poor ordinary Israeli schmucks are marinated 24/7 in BS and fear. I wonder how many of them are on tranquillizers to get them through the day.

    • Mooser says:

      You noticed that, too?

    • dahoit says:

      Well,if all the French Jews did make aliyah,do you think this shooter might be copied in other nations,as an aliyah campaign of ethnic cleansing?
      Everyone except the propagandists that is,as they would give up their stranglehold on Western discourse over our dead bodies.

    • Elliot says:

      WB – I’m with you on the perversion bit. I just don’t get how it’s impressive.

      For those of us of a certain age, the British comedy, Yes, Minister was the font of political wisdom. The pairing of the higher ranking nitwit with the subordinate who is the real power is classic British comedy.
      In one memorable episode, the subordinate, Sir Humphrey gently coaches his boss, the minister, on the real reason for Britain’s nuclear arms program. As Sir Humphrey instructs his boss, it’s not to intimidate the Russians, or show off to the French. Britain has a nuclear deterrent to make the Brits feel better about themselves.

      Similarly, all this Zionist talk is not intended for external consumption but to make the Israelis feel better about a bad situation. If some French Jews move to Israel, well, that just proves the point, doesn’t it?

    • Blake says:

      My thoughts entirely…and anyone who can think rationally I am sure.

  10. yourstruly says:

    the zionist entity looks upon random vengeance paybacks against jews as a windfall benefit from its nonstop aggression against palestinians, which explains why the knesset member ya’akov katz seized on the tragedy with a call for all french jews to immigrate to israel. seems that the zionists wet dream is for a worldwide flareup of virulent antisemitism, such that, jews everywhere are forced to seek safe haven in the zionist entity, thereby at least temporarily alleviating its “demographic problem”. and never mind that were a pandemic of antisemitism to break out, it’s unlikely israel would remain that safe haven. of course there’s always the masada option, what with israel’s hundreds of nukes. but do israelis really feel secure knowing that should the antisemites storm the gates they (the israelis) have the capacity to disintegrate them with nukes? have israelis thought about what the payback’s going to be from their having exercised that option? not too late to prevent, israel. justice for palestine, that’s all it’ll take. aren’t you interested?

  11. seafoid says:

    Israelis think a lot about Israel but it’s hardly attractive to people who have their roots in Europe. If you don’t speak Hebrew you don’t get far in Israeli society. It’s a violent society. House prices are high and salaries are much lower than in most Eurozone countries.

    I wouldn’t take my kids out of kindergarten in France or Germany and plant them in kindergarten in Tel Aviv with kids whose parents served in the IDF. No way.

    Aliyah numbers show the problems Israel has in attracting Jews.
    There are 4 million Palestinians who would love to move back,. on the other hand…

  12. RE: “From YNet, ‘A Jew-Free Europe,’ by Giulio Meotti.”

    MY COMMENT: Giulio Meotti is an Italian Jew who seems to long for the ‘good old days’ of Il Duce (when Mussolini ‘made the trains run on time’). I assume that, like Michael ‘Faster, Please’ Ledeen, he is a devotee of ‘Italian Fascism’.
    PHOTO – link to google.com
    Can you say Italian neocon? Sure you can!

    FROM WIKIPEDIA:

    (excerpt)…In 1930, while [Ze'ev] Jabotinsky was visiting South Africa, he was informed by the British Colonial Office that he would not be allowed to return to Palestine…
    …During his time in exile, Jabotinsky started regarding Benito Mussolini as a potential ally against the British, and contacts were made with Italy. In 1934 Jabotinsky and the Revisionist Zionist movement set up the Betar Naval Academy in Mussolini’s Italy, which operated until 1938…

    SOURCE – link to en.wikipedia.org

    • P.S. Giulio Meotti, a journalist with Il Foglio, is the author of the book, A New Shoah: The Untold Story of Israel’s Victims of Terrorism.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

      Giulio Meotti: J’Accuse on Pollard
      Posted by Israel Insider on August 23, 2011 at 9:21am in General Discussion

      It’s one of the most painful wounds in the Jewish world. All Israeli attempts to obtain leniency for Jonathan Pollard have failed.
      He is a convicted spy. He has an Israeli passport. He is serving a life sentence. He is the only American to receive a life sentence for spying for an ally. It’s one of the most painful wounds in the Jewish world. All Israeli attempts to obtain leniency for Jonathan Pollard have failed.
      Some 113 years after French novelist Emile Zola famously wrote “J’accuse!” charging that an anti-Semitic government had wrongfully convicted a young Jewish captain named Alfred Dreyfus, Pollard’s supporters wonder if history may record his case as America’s Dreyfus affair. The former president of B’nai B’rith International, Tommy Baer, said the Pollard affair was “the closest thing to an American Dreyfuss case.”
      If Pollard’s incomparably harsh sentence is allowed to continue, all but the most naive will have to confront the idea that he is still in prison only because he is a Jew.

      SOURCE – link to israelinsider.net

      • P.S. I GUESS MEOTTI WOULD SAY THAT SMYTH IS YET ANOTHER DREYFUS: Israel’s Nuclear Triggers, by Grant Smith, Antiwar.com, 3/20/12

        (excerpt) FBI files detailing Israel’s stealth acquisition of U.S. nuclear triggers were declassified and released on Dec. 28, 2011. The FBI’s secret Portland and Los Angeles inter-office communications were originally scheduled for release in the year 2036. Their availability today reveals how Israel’s elite spy networks acquire U.S. nuclear technologies while evading criminal and diplomatic consequences.
        A kryton is a gas-filled tube used as a high-speed switch. U.S. State Department munitions licenses are needed to export krytons because they can be used as triggers for nuclear weapons. California-based MILCO International Inc. shipped 15 orders totaling 800 krytons through an intermediary to the Israeli Ministry of Defense between 1979 and 1983. MILCO obtained the krytons from EG&G Inc. After the U.S. government rejected several requests for kryton export licenses to Israel, Arnon Milchan’s Heli Trading Company brokered the transactions with MILCO. Milchan is an Israeli movie producer who became successful in Hollywood for such movies as Brazil, JFK, and Pretty Woman.
        The FBI file reveals that after the illicit kryton exports were discovered, a U.S. attorney tried to flip MILCO President Richard Kelly Smyth to implicate Milchan during intense plea bargaining. The gambit failed, and in May 1984 Smyth was indicted on 30 counts of smuggling and making false statements. Smyth and his wife promptly fled to Israel and remained at large until captured in Malaga, Spain, in July 2001 after Richard Smyth applied for Social Security benefits. INTERPOL arrested Smyth and extradited him to the United States, where he pleaded guilty to violating the U.S. Arms Export Control Act. In November 2001, Smyth was sentenced to 40 years in prison and fined $20,000, though he was freed within four years because of his advancing age. . .

        ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to original.antiwar.com

      • marc b. says:

        comparing pollard to dreyfus. that’s rich.

    • Daniel Rich says:

      @ Dickerson3870,

      Q: ‘A Jew-Free Europe,’

      R: Perhaps, but never a Guilt-Free one.

  13. Mayhem says:

    The title of this article infers that “one crazed murderer” suddenly sparks a clarion call for migration to Israel. This is nothing new. Israel’s existence has been the excuse for increasing anti-semitism – the roots of Islamic anti-semitism were already deeply entrenched in the Arab psyche well before the Israeli state was established.

    • eljay says:

      >> … the Israeli state was established.

      It’s not an Israeli state – a state of and for all Israelis equally – it’s a religion-supremacist Jewish state.

    • dahoit says:

      And the roots of anti-Islam were deeply entrenched among the Western psyche long before the USA was established.

    • Blake says:

      @ Mayhem: Jews claim their ‘golden age’ was the period of Muslim rule in Spain, where they were allowed to practice their religion freely for the first time in Europe. Jews were even appointed as Mayors of towns by the Muslim rulers. They were allowed to build their synagogues for the first time by the Muslims. They prospered. They had freedom. Give credit where credit is due I say.

  14. It’s a good thing Israel is such a good friend to the United States.

    Why Pollard Should Never Be Released (The Traitor)
    The New Yorker Magazine | :January 18, 1999, pp. 26-33 | SEYMOUR M. HERSH

    “In fact, it is widely believed that Pollard was not the only one in the American government spying for Israel. During his year and a half of spying, his Israeli handlers requested specific documents, which were identified only by top-secret control numbers. After much internal assessment, the government’s intelligence experts concluded that it was “highly unlikely,” in the words of a Justice Department official, that any of the other American spies of the era would have had access to the specific control numbers. “There is only one conclusion,” the expert told me. The Israelis “got the numbers from somebody else in the U.S. government.”
    THE men and women of the National Security Agency live in a world of chaotic bleeps, buzzes, and whistles, and talk to each other about frequencies, spectrums, modulation, and bandwidth — the stuff of Tom Clancy novels. They often deal with signals intelligence, or SIGINT, and their world is kept in order by an in-house manual known as the RASIN an acronym for radio-signal notations. The manual, which is classified “top-secret Umbra,” fills ten volumes, is constantly updated, and lists the physical parameters of every known signal. Pollard took it all. “It’s the Bible,” one former communications-intelligence officer told me. “It tells how we collect signals anywhere in the world.” The site, frequency, and significant features of Israeli communications — those that were known and targeted by the N.S.A. — were in the RASIN; so were all the known communications links used by the Soviet Union.
    The loss of the RASIN was especially embarrassing to the Navy, I was told by the retired admiral, because the copy that Pollard photocopied belonged to the Office of Naval Intelligence. “He went into our library, found we had an out-of-date version, requested a new one, and passed it on,” the officer said. “I was surprised we even had it.”
    The RASIN theft was one of the specifics cited in Defense Secretary Weinberger’s still secret declaration to the court before Pollard’s sentencing hearing. In fact, the hearing’s most dramatic moment came when Pollard’s attorney, Richard A. Hibey, readily acknowledged his client’s guilt but argued that the extent of the damage to American national security did not call for the imposition of a maximum sentence.
    “I would ask you to think about the Secretary of Defense’s affidavit, as it related to only one thing,” Judge Robinson interjected, “with reference to one particular category of publication, and I fail to see how you can make that argument.” He invited Hibey to approach the bench, along with the Justice Department attorneys, and the group spent a few moments reviewing what government officials told me was Weinberger’s account of the importance of the RAISIN. One Justice Department official, recalling those moments with obvious pleasure, said that the RASIN was the ninth item on the Weinberger damage-assessment list. After the bench conference, Hibey made no further attempt to minimize the national-security damage caused by its theft. (Citing national security, Hibey refused to discuss the case for this article.)
    The ten volumes of the RASIN were available on a need-to-know basis inside the N.S.A. “I’ve never seen the monster,” a former senior watch officer at an N.S.A. intercept site in Europe told me, but added that he did supervise people who constantly used it, and he described its function in easy-to-understand terms:
    “It is a complete catalogue of what the United States was listening to, or could listen to — information referred to in the N.S.A. as ‘parametric data.’ It tells you everything you want to know about a particular signal — when it was first detected and where, whom it was first used by, what kind of entity, frequency, wavelength, or band length it has. When you’ve copied a signal and don’t know what it is, the RASIN manual gives you a description.” A senior intelligence official who consults regularly with the N.S.A. on technical matters subsequently told me that another issue involved geometry.
    A senior intelligence official who consults regularly with the N.S.A. on technical matters subsequently told me that another issue involved geometry. The RASIN, he explained, had been focussed in particular on the Soviet Union and its thousands of high-frequency, or shortwave, communications, which had enabled Russian military units at either end of the huge land mass to communicate with each other. Those signals “bounced” off the ionosphere and were often best intercepted thousands of miles from their point of origin. If, as many in the American intelligence community suspected, the Soviet communications experts had been able to learn which of their signals were being monitored, and where, they could relocate the signal and force the N.S.A. to invest man-hours and money to try to recapture it. Or, more likely, the Soviets could continue to communicate in a normal fashion but relay false and misleading information.
    Pollard’s betrayal of the RASIN put the N.S.A. in the position of having to question or reevaluate all of its intelligence collecting. “We aren’t perfect,” the career intelligence officer explained to me. “We’ve got holes in our coverage, and this” — the loss of the RASIN — tells where the biases and the weaknesses are. It’s how we get the job done, and how we will get the job done.”
    “What a wonderful insight into how we think, and exactly how we’re exploiting Soviet communications!” the retired admiral exclaimed. “It’s a how-to-do-it book — the fireside cookbook of cryptology. Not only the analyses but the facts of how we derived our analyses. Whatever recipe you want.”
    Pollard, asked about the specific programs he compromised, told me, “As far as SIGINT information is concerned, the government has consistently lied in its public version of what I gave the Israelis.”
    In the mid-nineteen-eighties, the daily report from the Navy’s Sixth Fleet Ocean Surveillance Information Facility (FOSIF) in Rota, Spain, was one of America’s Cold War staples. A top-secret document filed every morning at 0800 Zulu time (Greenwich Mean Time), it reported all that had gone on in the Middle East during the previous twenty-four hours, as recorded by the N.S.A.’s most sophisticated monitoring devices.
    The reports were renowned inside Navy commands for their sophistication and their reliability; they were based, as the senior managers understood it, on data supplied both by intelligence agents throughout the Middle East and by the most advanced technical means of intercepting Soviet military communications. The Navy’s intelligence facility at Rota shared space with a huge N.S.A. intercept station, occupied by more than seven hundred linguists and cryptographers, which was responsible for monitoring and decoding military and diplomatic communications all across North Africa. Many at Rota spent hundreds of hours a month listening while locked in top-secret compartments aboard American ships, aircraft, and submarines operating in the Mediterranean.
    The Navy’s primary targets were the ships, the aircraft, and, most important, the nuclear-armed submarines of the Soviet Union on patrol in the Mediterranean. Those submarines, whose nuclear missiles were aimed at United States forces, were constantly being tracked; they were to be targeted and destroyed within hours if war broke out.
    Pollard’s American interrogators eventually concluded that in his year and a half of spying he had provided the Israelis with more than a year’s worth of the daily FOSIF reports from Rota. Pollard himself told the Americans that at one point in 1985 the Israelis had nagged him when he missed several days of work because of illness and had failed to deliver the FOSIF reports for those days. One of his handlers, Joseph Yagur, had complained twice about the missed messages and had asked him to find a way to retrieve them. Pollard told his American interrogators that he had never missed again.”

  15. Before 1880 the vast majority of the world’s Jews- 80% lived in Europe. Today less than 30% live in Europe. (If my approximations are off by more than 10% please forgive me.) Isn’t it accurate rather than ideological to refer to today’s European Jewish population as a remnant?

    • Elliot says:

      WJ –
      The origin of this use of the word “remnant” is the Holocaust. The term itself comes from “she’eirit” in Biblical Hebrew (as you know, שארית הפליטה ), and is the official, Israeli term for Holocaust survivors.
      But Europe has moved on. The large Jewish population in France, particularly in the south has a large component of North African Jews we arrived in France after the Holocaust. Similarly, the Jewish community in Germany and other former Nazi countries is largely Russian. And then there’s Britain.
      Israel, on the other hand hasn’t. For the Zionist politicians, Europe equals Auschwitz or Vichy France.

      Israelis don’t buy the official rhetoric. They vacation in Europe and many have been acquiring a second – European – passport. Just in case.

      But the Israeli opinion makers keep at it. Europe is dangerous for Jews…and so Israelis can say to themselves: lucky for us we have our cozy Israel to go back to after our vacation in Paris.

      Oddly, the first use of the term “remnant” in the Hebrew Bible is the end of the Joseph story (Genesis 45). In that case, Joseph left Canaan/Israel and brought his dad Jacob and the entire clan out of Israel. He was the pre-emptive remnant that saved the protoypical “Jews” of the “Israel”.
      Looks like the Israelis are following suit.

  16. The call by Yakov Katz is predictable and objectively silly. On the other hand to call this murderer, “one crazed murderer” is bad journalism and also predictable. Did you call the Norway killer, one crazed murderer? Is French Muslim hatred of Jews so negligible that this man can be called “one crazed murderer”. The commentators here are surprised that Muslims in Europe don’t kill more Jews in France, if they are aware of what is going on in Gaza and elsewhere. They don’t think it’s crazed, they think it’s incredible how few times it happens. Does that add up to one crazed murderer. Your headline is bad journalism.

    • Terryscott says:

      One of the parents at the school in Toulouse was a secular Jew who told France2 that he was sending his children to this Jewish school because they were “bullied and attacked by Muslim students constantly for being Jews.”
      Just an isolated incident I’m certain . . .

      • “bullied and attacked by Muslim students constantly for being Jews.”

        do you have a link for that, i would like to check it out.

        • Mooser says:

          Annie, you and your links and your citations and all that drek! Why ruin a nice, emotionally laden, evocative, unsupported anecdote? I’m not making any accusations, but a lot of people think that facts have an anti-Zionist bias!
          I just looked again at the comment, and “Terryscott” has quote marks around “bullied and attacked by Muslim students constantly for being Jews.” There are the quote marks, right in front of your face. Are you saying those aren’t quote marks?

        • Mooser says:

          And Annie, what about the … which ends the comment? Don’t you recognise the world of Jewish pain, hurt and sheer terror in that…? It’s like you ain’t got no feelings or nothing. Why a …. means much than any old link or verification.
          Anyway, it might have happened.

        • now now mooser, i was trying to be polite. i did notice those quotemarks so naturally i googled the quote and whoopsiedaisy it’s not available. so maybe he said it in french. or maybe it didn’t make the newspaper and terryscott was actually watching france2. who knows, but you can’t keep quote like that down, if will undoubtedly resurface because it is hasbara gold, assuming it is true of course. one might think it would be a glaring headline at least somewhere in france.

          maybe i should use my trustie google translate and try goolging the french version of the quote. i’m certain it’s got to be somewhere. terry would never make anything like that up, ever.

        • Mooser says:

          But if Terryscott believes it, how can we say he made it up? Can you deny it is really something he or she thought was true? Ha!
          And you still haven’t dealt with those eloquent “….’s” at the end. The …. which says so much. I look at those … and I see chop-fallen Jewish law graduates nervously polishing their white loafers against the calves of their Barney’s suits, (with two pair of pants) outside of prestigious WASP law firms. There’s an entire world in that ellipsis that you refuse to acknowledge.
          From Terryscott’s ellipses to God’s ear!

        • Terryscott says:

          I seem to be overestimating your worldliness here (which Mooser will, no doubt, take as a compliment). I mentioned the story was on France2–I assumed, wrongly I guess, that you understood that France2 is a television station. It occurred during an interview with a parent who was either not identified or refused to be identified. The day after, on “special reporting” that may or may not have also been on the news which is broadcast three times a day.
          It’s sad, but not particularly shocking, since anyone following French news is aware that Jews have been complaining of feeling unsafe in certain French schools in recent years–mostly, but not exclusively, in Paris suburbs. In the summer of 2007 Le Point or Marianne devoted a big story to the subject. I have no idea how to find a link to a broadcast interview–but, for what it’s worth, here’s the website. link to jt.france2.fr
          As for making it up–thanks, but I’m really not very creative.

        • Mayhem says:

          @Annie: Try typing “Jewish students in France pretending to be Muslims to avoid being attacked” into Google if you want a bagful of hits.

        • so i can read atlas shrugs and jihadmonitor? no thanks! just link to the quote please. from a reputable news source.

        • terryscott, i am aware it was a tv station which is why i said maybe “terryscott was actually watching france2″. all you have to say is no, you do not have a link. you were quoting from memory from a news story you were watching on tv, in french. got it, thanks.

        • Cliff says:

          Mayhem, your claim is from a JPost article:

          [...]a Parisian mother related how the fear of being physically attacked by Muslim extremist thugs means that it is “not rare at all today” for French Jewish students to attempt to pass themselves off as Muslim[...]

          link to jpost.com

          Why isn’t there any evidence for this absurd claim?

          In fact, the ‘bagful of hits’ you are referring to are really just 2 hits and both are referring to this one article.

          Unless it can be substantiated, it’s just more TYPICAL hateful b.s. from Islamophobic Zionists (like yourself).

        • Mayhem says:

          @Annie: This article link to jpost.com should address your apologetics.

        • Terryscott says:

          Don’t confuse Annie with facts, Mayhem–the facts have a pro-Israel bias. In fact, it’s even worse than that, the facts are Zionist!

        • Terryscott says:

          Yes, Annie, some of us speak French. And Turkish. Here in Turkey I get France2 and about 200 hundred other stations on satellite TV. It’s amazing what you’ll discover if you leave California.

        • thanks mayhem.

          The writer is the Senior Rabbi of Congregation Ohev Shalom in Maitland, Fl (www.ohevshalom.org). In addition to being an activist working on behalf of Israel, he also championed the cause of refuseniks in the former USSR. Rubinger was one of 21 rabbis arrested in NYC protesting outside the UN against Iran’s nuclear development on April 18, 2007 and was also one of 15 American rabbis invited to the White House to discuss “US-Israel Relations” with then-chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, and ambassador to the Middle East, Dennis Ross.

        • Cliff says:

          What facts?

          You mean the anonymous Frenchwoman, the author of that fear-mongering/hate-mongering article cites?

          Mayhem said that there was a ‘bagful of hits’ (implying the claim was substantiated).

          But in reality, it’s one JPost article, which is in-turn cited by Zionist hate-sites.

          I realize you need to cheer-lead your fellow troll to ‘play up’ his argument – since his argument, is your argument.

        • Cliff says:

          LOL@ the author’s “credentials.”

          That coupled with his anonymous source = pure sophistry. Typical Zionist.

        • Here in Turkey I get France2 and about 200 hundred other stations on satellite TV.

          thanks terry, as i mentioned earlier, i got it

          link to mondoweiss.net

          as for leaving california, i can’t even imagine leaving this dark basement at my mother’s house, much less my home town. sunlight is so…strange.

        • now cliff, just because rabbi rubinger lives in florida doesn’t mean he doesn’t also watch french TV and speak french. he could have heard the exact same interview as terry. and look, the rabbi uses quotemarks for the anonymous speaker just like terry which adds credibility, of course.

        • Mayhem says:

          @Annie, Cliff et al: you have conveniently ignored the other incident that was alluded to by the rabbi. “Belgian Jews in shock over beating of 13 year old girl”.  You can see an interview on Flemish TV where the victim describes what she has experienced – refer to link at http:/philosemitism.blogspot.com.au/2011/11/begin-jews-in-shock-over-beating-of.html. So  please explain all these denials – why are you so unwilling to see things as they are and admit to the gravity of the situation? How much of your credibility depends in your belief that Muslims wouldn’t harm a fly? You are like the lefties of old, who couldn’t accept that Stalin could commit murderous misdeeds in the name of communism.

        • Cliff says:

          Mayhem,

          The issue is not whether or not Muslims are capable of hurting a fly or not.

          The issue was whether your claim that Jews are pretending to be Muslims to avoid harassment was true.

          And despite your verbiage, your source was only one article. One article that provided not citation for the claim. It’s just an anonymous source.

          So I think it’s perfectly reasonable to remain skeptical.

          After all, people like you dismiss the countless reports by NGOs and the UN regarding the apartheid analogy – reports that are substantiated.

          Yet, you expect us to believe some random Zionist’s OP-ED in the JPost.

        • Mayhem says:

          First my apologies for the bad link. Should be link to philosemitism.blogspot.com.au
          The issue is whether Muslims in Europe are making it impossible for Jews to live normal lives.
          How many more incidents do there need to be on the tallyboard before the sceptics (Muslim sympathizers) take off their blinkers?

        • The issue is whether Muslims in Europe are making it impossible for Jews to live normal lives.

          i was interested in a the interview with the parent from france. i understand there is racism, it exists in many places all over the world and it’s awful. your link from november to the girl in brussels is an example of that.

          there are also incidences of muslims being attacked for no reason, so there is also islamophobia that exists. i think certain kinds of racism are institutionalized and some are not. racism has been a problem in societies across the ages and i hope it ends, forever.

        • Bumblebye says:

          Meanwhile, with the situation a thousand times worse in I/P, I keep wondering when the ‘zionist sympathizers’ “will take off their blinkers”.
          Islamophobia in Europe is being deliberately stoked by zionists and their sympathizers. Look who shaped Breivik’s thinking, or ‘confirmed’ his prejudices.

        • Cliff says:

          Mayhem,

          ‘Muslims in Europe’ are not making it ‘impossible’ for Jews to live normal lives.

          No amount of Zionist blog sites or unsubstantiated editorials in the JPost will be able to support that sweeping generalization.

          And saying ‘Muslim sympathizers’ is purely Islamophobic and violates MW’s commenting policy:

          1. No racist or sexist comments.

          This includes anti-Arab, Islamophobic and anti-Semitic comments (and yes, Christian-bashing too). This includes comments that disparage, intimidate or attack a person based on perceived ethnicity or gender.

        • mayhem, i thought this might interest you.

          today:

          link to utsandiego.com

          El Cajon woman dies after beating earlier in week

          EL CAJON — A 32-year-old El Cajon woman found severely beaten in her home on Wednesday with a threatening note next to her, died Saturday afternoon, El Cajon police said.

          A friend of the family said Shaima Alawadi, mother of five children, was taken off life support about 3 p.m.

          Investigations Lt. Steve Shakowski confirmed that Alawadi had passed away.

          The woman’s 17-year-old daughter found her unconscious in the dining room of the house on Skyview Street off Lemon Avenue about 11:15 a.m. Wednesday.

          Police did not disclose the contents of the note. A family friend, who asked not to have her published, said the note told the family to “go back to your own country. You’re a terrorist.” The family is from Iraq, and Alawadi is a “respectful modest muhajiba,” meaning she wears the traditional hijab, a head scarf, Alzaidy said.

          El Cajon police Lt. Mark Coit said the family stated they had found a similar note earlier this month, however did not report it to authorities.

          “Although we are exploring all aspects of this investigation, evidence thus far leads us to believe this is an isolated incident,” Coit said. “A hate crime is one of the possibilities and we will be looking at that. We don’t want to focus on only one issue and miss something else.”

          ….the attack apparently occurred when the father took the younger children to school.

          The daughter who found her mother told KUSI Channel 9/51 on Friday night that her mother had been beaten on the head repeatedly with a tire iron. She said her mother had dismissed the previous note, found outside the house, thinking it was a child’s prank.

          if she was jewish there would be israeli flag waving crowds in the streets. where are the crowds for Shaima?

          will you mourn for her mayhem, as i have mourned for those afghani/muslim and french/jewish children?

          Al Awadi immigrated to the United States from Iraq nearly 20-years-ago.

          link to 10news.com

        • Cliff says:

          What about the German-Egyptian woman, who was stabbed to death in front of her son and husband in court by the Islamophobe she was accusing of harassment?

          She was pregnant as well.

          link to guardian.co.uk

        • Mayhem says:

          @Bumblebye: Comments like yours are singularly unhelpful in any meaningful discussion. Is the situation a thousand times worse or twelve hundred and fifty-seven times worse in I/P? Why do you chuck my remarks straight back at me – is that all you can say?
          Where is your evidence that Zionists are stoking the fires of Islamophobia? And don’t you remember Breivik read John Stuart Mill – should Mill now be banned because he was read by a ‘Zionist sympathizer’?Get real.

    • Shmuel says:

      Katz’s call is indeed predictable (and despicable) as is Meotti’s hysterical rant. The “one crazed murderer” headline is a poor attempt to refute the stupidity and hypocrisy of such “luminaries”.

      France has a serious racism problem that, according to the Commission nationale consultative des droits de l’homme, targets two main groups: North Africans (Maghrébins) and Muslims in general, and Jews. Although there are some similarities to the situation in other European countries, and the CNCDH itself has noted the connection between anti-Semitic incidents and events in I/P (specifically attacks on Gaza), it is first and foremost a French problem – as eloquently asserted by the Grand Rabbin de France, Gilles Bernheim, in his response to the Toulouse and Montauban murders.

      Years ago, French Muslims and Jews joined together to fight racism. I don’t know what has happened to that cooperation, but it was disheartening to see Kach and Israeli flags at the recent Paris rally, rather than Frenchmen of all faiths and origins united against the real enemy: racism and intolerance. It was far more encouraging to see the joint appearance of Rabbi Bernheim and French Muslim leaders.

      Marine Le Pen and Sarkozy himself seem poised to make potentially-disastrous political hay out of the attacks, and the French left (please correct me, someone, if I am wrong) seems confused and incoherent (what else is new).

      • LeaNder says:

        Years ago, French Muslims and Jews joined together to fight racism.

        Associatively: In December 2008 the Berlin Center for the Study of Antisemitism dared to hold a conference with the title “Feindbild Jude – Feindbild Muslim”/the image of the enemy Jew – the image of the enemy Muslim. The Jerusalem Post’s Berlin correspondent with the help of an anti-German “scholar” (a rather politicized thesis) on Muslim antisemitism, Matthias Künzel with a little help and backing from our top German Jewish polemicist Axis of-Good, Hendyk Broder started a rather peculiar polemic. The Jerusalem Post demanded the resignation of the head of the center Wolfgang Benz.

        My impression in hindsight is that the main charge was that they didn’t concentrate enough on the Iranian threat. What they in fact had done lately in a series of studies was to look into Palestinian and Arab youth on German ground and their antisemitism. This obviously is an important aspect apart from our own neo-Nazi breed. But I am deviating. Of course the title of the conference was considered a provocation.

        The campaign was really nasty and vicious, I even had the impression that the center’s name was deliberately distorted in translation so readers not knowing it would it hard to find out what really had happened. In the comments sections of German papers on the issue you were confronted screeching herds that didn’t even care to find out what had really happened demanding Benz’ resignation.

        At one point the Jerusalem Post printed an article by Jehuda Bauer, his article is disconnected by now:: Berlin conference didn’t lump Islamophobia with anti-Semitism Limiting the possibility of web-citizen to inform themselves?

        All you will find is the perspective of our dear Axis-of-Good founding member Hendryk Broder and “the anti-German Dr. phil” Matthias Künzelon the issue.

        • thanks leaNder, the Benjamin Weinthal article, is that from today or is it one of these connections that places todays date on every page?

          The mass anti-Israel demonstrations in Germany in January were largely organized and supported by Arab, Turkish and Palestinian groups. Left Party politicians in the Bundestag urged their members to attend the rallies, which turned into displays of Jew and Israel hatred, including calls to “gas the Jews,” “Jews out of Germany,” “Kill, kill Jews,” and “Kill, kill Israelis.” The Center was displaying “ostrich-like behavior” by failing to address “rising anti-Semitism in the wake of Gaza” and “Holocaust inversion,” in which demonstrators in Europe compared Israel with Nazi Germany, said Dr. Efraim Zuroff, the head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Jerusalem. The Berlin center was “fearful of offending and alienating Muslims,” he said.

          did that really happen? that sounds horrible.

          The Jerusalem Post demanded the resignation of the head of the center Wolfgang Benz.

          My impression in hindsight is that the main charge was that they didn’t concentrate enough on the Iranian threat.

          hmmm

    • Is French Muslim hatred of Jews so negligible that this man can be called “one crazed murderer”

      is the american hatred of muslims so negligible that U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales can be called “one lone man with a head injury”?

    • Mooser says:

      Wondering Jew, your comment doesn’t add up to much, it doesn’t square with the facts, but there’s no denying it makes a perfect circle.

  17. Talkback says:

    “There is no Jewish future in France.” (Katz)

    Funny, how all anti-”assimilationists” sound the same.

  18. dahoit says:

    Does this imply an Afghani border jumping incident as they flee the crazed gunma(e)n and a run on our borders?

  19. mtorres says:

    How convenient! Does anybody see the similarity to the Mossad’s bombing of the synagogue in Iraq intended to frighten (fairly successfully) Iraqi Jews into fleeing to Israel? Just sayin….

    • the thought crossed my mind. too horrific to contemplate or linger on contemplating but i really wish the story wasn’t neatly wrapped. life generally unfolds with a few more loose ends.

  20. American says:

    What is the end game of the zionist goal of having all or most European Jews immigrate to Israel? Do they also want US Jews to immigrate to Israel? Suppose most Jews did leave their current countries for Israel. How then would Israel, without Jews in other countries, maintain any political influence for Israel in those countries, particularly in the US? Countries would have very little or no reason to support Israel without a domestic political demand for it.
    So I don’t understand how all the Jews fleeing to Israel benefits them and I am certain the Zionist know other countries support is necessary to Israel. Unless they have some mad idea about dual citizenship and voting rights in which new dual citizen Israelis would still be able to have an affect on their previous country’s Israel policy thru voting in it’s elections. And that would be a nightmare situation, having a voting block with no stake in another country’s domestic policy and voting strictly on that country’s foreign policy toward Israel. However imo there is no end to the zionist crazy schemes so who knows.

    • Elliot says:

      American –
      the end game is an interesting question. The Zionist objective for many decades was for all Jews to move to Israel. David Ben Gurion made no bones about it. The State of Israel is the real Israel and all Jews better move there to be good Jews.

      With the establishment of the State of Israel, Nahum Goldman told David Ben Gurion to lay off American Jews. Yet there were still deep reserves of Jews elsewhere, most notably in the Soviet Union. It took forty odd years, but finally, that mine was tapped and is now essentially empty. What’s left? Argentina? France? Ok, but you can’t count on a recession or anti-Semitism in France the way you could in Russia. Anyway, the numbers aren’t there.

      Borrowing from the energy field, I guess this could be called “Peak Jew.” So Israel needs a new way to achieve a Jewish majority in Israel/Palestine: if you can’t get more Jews, then we’ll have to go after less Arabs. Cue, ethnic cleansing. I know this has been going on for a long time but I think there is a new focus born of desperation that the Jewish majority is slipping away and there are no more Jews ready to move to Israel to make it better.

      For this reason alone, we can expect the news from Israel/Palestine to get worse as time goes by.

    • Mooser says:

      American, I think you are making a fundamental mistake in your speculations. You are assuming that Zionist plans are based, even if mistaken, on benefiting the Jews. And you can’t see how they will benefit the Jews. Try thinking about it again, this time assuming that their plans are made ostensibly to benefit Zionists, at the expense of Jews, if need be. I think you will find everything a lot clearer. Jews are just, out of a concatenation of mostly unfortunate circumstances which synergised with Zionist opportunism, Zionism’s raw materials.

      Lemme put it this way, American; I’m sure you are familiar with the strategies used by colonising interests and American railroads to draw settlers to America or later, to grant-lands along railroad route. Do you spend a lot of time wondering why railroad and land-speculator materials would draw very inaccurate pictures of both the environment (it was no Garden of Eden, as pictured) and political situation (hostility with Indians and territorial uncertainty, to start with) in those lands to attract European immigrant (and American emigrant) settlers? Do you spend a lot of time wondering why white, Christian people would deceive other white Christian (generalising) people so? No, you accept the crass, and often deadly opportunism of those pamphlets, materials and systems as a deception used to gain an end, immigrants or sales of land and development.
      And you will find the same techniques used to attract non-elite colonial raw material in every other colonial situation during the colonial era.
      But when it’s Zionism the narrative is always that the plans and the speech was conceived with an aim of benefiting “the Jews”. And we have to schlep that whole bag of rhetorical and logical garbage with us, making it that much harder to get near the truth, which is that Jews and Zionists, are just like other people.
      Zionists make their plans, and tailor their speech, in ways they think will benefit Zionism. (And they make the pants too short and the lapels an inch too wide and take the money and run Venezuela!) Jews, and even (as we are seeing) Israel are not their primary concern. Zionism is.
      Well, that’s what I think, anyway, and sorry for the length. Too many protean shakes and I get confused about how to express myself.

      • Elliot says:

        Mooser –
        I agree with that. An idea has a life of its own. You get some people who believe in it and then their egos get hitched to the idea. The presumptive beneficiaries of the idea become redundant and even secondary and tools of the idea that was meant to serve them.
        Zionism certainly doesn’t care about Jews, although it professes to do so. The more extreme it is, the less it cares.

      • American says:

        Oh, I get that zionism uses the Jews like fodder Mooser, no doubt about that. I am just wondering how the zios think taking Jews out of the domestic political equation in other countries like the US is going to help Israel. Being politically supported by Jews ‘outside ‘ of Israel has been extremely important to Israel.

    • Charon says:

      The Zionist movement was heavily supported in the US by Anglo-Saxon Protestant fundamentalists. Still is.

      Their end game is to be pulled up into the clouds along with their dead relatives and live happily ever after with the Lord. All Jews must return to Israel/Palestine for this to happen. We can all thank John Nelson Darby for inventing this elaborate myth.

      • Elliot says:

        Charon – you’re confusing Christian Zionists with Jewish Zionists. Netanyahu may court the CZs but he doesn’t believe in millenialism or pre-millenialism any more than he believes in equal rights for all. He believes in Zionism i.e. a Jewish state.

    • Keith says:

      AMERICAN- “What is the end game of the zionist goal….”

      Impossible to know, but fun to speculate about. First of all, I seriously doubt that the early Zionists anticipated the current state of affairs. Like all long term undertakings, the process alters to changing circumstances. In my view, a huge change occurred as a result of the shift of power from European Zionists to American Jewish Zionists. I think that the influence of these American Zionists on Israeli society and official policies is underappreciated on Mondoweiss.

      The bottom line is that I am not sure that there is an end game. It seems to me that Israel and Zionism represent a process whereby Jewish nationalism combined with an overreaction to a cultivated sense of eternal anti-Semitism has reunited world Jewry previously split by religious differences and assimilationist tendencies. In other words, as long as Israel is continually at war with her neighbors, dependent upon American Jewish Zionist support which, in turn, unites American Zionist Jews organizationally, and can be used as a symbolic victim of Jew hatred and as a potential oasis from eternal anti-Semitism, then it is fulfilling its Zionist function. That the Jewish state has become dependent upon the Diaspora to remain a Jewish state is obvious in hindsight, but not to those at the time pursuing an illusion and engaging in self-deception.

      • American says:

        “That the Jewish state has become dependent upon the Diaspora to remain a Jewish state is obvious in hindsight, but not to those at the time pursuing an illusion and engaging in self-deception”..Keith

        So in other words you think the zios have now bought their own advertising about the power of Israel or their mythical prowess and are
        operating totally in the delusion they need no one’s support or approval. Well, their success in blackmailing the US over and over again with use of their nukes or creating total chaos in the ME could be one of the reasons for a delusion like this.

        • Keith says:

          AMERICAN- No, what I am saying is that the early Zionists deluded themselves that the world’s Jews would all come to Israel, however, the reality is that Israel could not exist in its present configuration without a powerful, supportive Jewish Diaspora.

  21. Blake says:

    Is it not ironic that most Ashkenaz European Jews are not in “Israel”. This has been a zionist tactic for over 6 decades now. As if Israel is any safer considering all their neighbors will never truly accept them being there….EVER!

    • Mooser says:

      “all their neighbors will never truly accept them being there”

      I’m sure they could be accepted under any acceptable circumstances. Really, Israel is quite powerful, and quite able to make a deal which would force their neighbors to accept them. But Zionism can’t, or won’t do that. Apparently, Zionism (not “the Jews”, Jews, or even Israelis, all of whom would benefit from Israel’s acceptance) feels the situation of unacceptability benefits Zionism more than acceptability would. What would acceptance do to that $3billion military aid from the US? What would it do to Zionism claims of “existential danger”? So you can sort of see their point, huh.

    • American says:

      The idea that Jews all gathered in tiny Israel like ducks in a barrel would be safe in the event of some major world anti semitism is so crazy I can’t believe any Jews believe this theory. How does Israel think it would protect the Jews if the world really wanted to get them? Even if their theory is that an anti semitic world would be satisfied to simply see the Jews out of their countries and therefore not bother with them further, how does Israel think it would continue to exist as it is since the world would no longer in that case, prevent the Arab world from addressing the Palestine issue and at minimun reduce Israel to a small colony/country or put it under their control? The only thing Israel could threaten would be their Sampson option nuke threat by which they would also be nuking the Jews into total extinction. The theory of Israel as a safe haven is and always has been totally crazy imo.

  22. RE: “[Member of Knessed] Ya’akov Katz called Monday for Jews to leave France in the wake of a deadly attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse.” ~ Times of Israel

    SEE: Israel trip an eye-opening experience for Jefferson chief, By Adina Solomon, onlineathens.com, 07/18/11

    This summer, Jefferson Police Chief Joe Wirthman went on a two-week trip 6,000 miles away, traveling across Israel with a delegation of state law enforcement officers as part of the Georgia International Law Enforcement Exchange.
    “It was an awesome trip,” he said. “A trip of a lifetime.”
    GILEE, which partners with Georgia State University, sends a different group of Georgia officers every summer to work with Israeli law enforcement and border control.
    Commerce Police Chief John Gaissert and University of Georgia Police Chief Jimmy Williamson also have gone in past years.
    The object of the program is to learn how Israeli police deal with terrorism every day…
    …After his trip, Wirthman is trying to think one step ahead with the Jefferson Police Department, preparing for the type of threatening situations Israel faces 24 hours a day, he said.
    “Hopefully it’ll never happen, but in this world, ‘never’ isn’t a word,” Wirthman said. “We’re not invincible here.”
    He’s also witnessed how people live their daily lives with the constant menace of terrorism, he said.
    Wirthman met one man who sends each of his children on a different bus to school. In case one of the buses is bombed, only one of his three children will be harmed.
    “I don’t know if I could raise my family under those conditions,” said Wirthman, who has three kids of his own.
    And nobody in Israel grumbles about it, he said. Instead, they have a strong national pride many Americans had only after 9/11, he said…”

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to onlineathens.com

  23. MHughes976 says:

    There is a gap between wild talk and wild action, just as there is between humane talk and doing good. So in some sense the Breiviks and Merahs of this world are indeed by themselves, subject to judgements that are especially simple and unreserved.

  24. “In both countries, the number of Jews is dramatically falling.”

    Hm. I always read that, on the contrary, there are more Jews leaving Israel for Europe every year. Especially for Germany, because entry is so easy.