Iran has ‘promised’ ‘another Holocaust’ — CBS commentator

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Ben Stein is a commentator on CBS’ Sunday morning show. Yesterday his essay was titled “Israel faces another Holocaust.” Pure hysteria. The commentary angered a friend who told me about it– Israel is the one pushing us into war– and it has generated more than 300 comments on the CBS site, I assume many of them dismissing it. Stein:

At many [Passover] services in people’s homes and at synagogues, prayers will be recited which proclaim that in every generation, enemies of the Jews arise to kill the Jews, but God always saves the Jews in the end.

Sadly, this section is now obsolete.

About 75 years ago, enemies of the Jewish people rose up in the form of the Nazis in Europe and their many eager helpers, from France to Russia. Their hands were not stayed. In the cruelest imaginable ways, they basically wiped out the Jews of Europe – a staggering six million men, women and children. That was roughly half of the Jews on Earth.

Basically, the world did nothing to save them…

Now, Israel is threatened with another Holocaust as Iran races towards building a nuclear bomb and missiles to deliver it to Israel. The mullahs and other men who rule Iran have explicitly promised to wipe Israel off the map. Israel is a tiny country, and one nuclear bomb detonated over Tel Aviv would indeed make another Holocaust.

If you wonder why Israel may be planning to strike Iran pre-emptively, you have only to go back two generations – the wink of an eye….

If they are to be saved, they have to save themselves.

72 Responses

  1. William Burns
    April 9, 2012, 8:50 am

    What people like Stein never seem to realize is that if they are right about this threat to the Jews, it means the Zionist project of “save the Jews by concentrating them in one small geographical location” has been a crashing failure.

    • eljay
      April 9, 2012, 11:58 am

      >> What people like Stein never seem to realize is that if they are right about this threat to the Jews, it means the Zionist project of “save the Jews by concentrating them in one small geographical location” has been a crashing failure.

      It didn’t help that the project involved terrorism, ethnic cleansing, land theft, destruction, colonization, oppression, murder and the creation of a religion-supremacist “dot of blue” state surrounded by a “sea of green” enemies.

      Greed and self-righteousness can be so blinding…

      • CigarGod
        April 9, 2012, 1:11 pm

        Either that…or a real belief in the David and Goliath thing…God coming to equal impossible odds.

    • CigarGod
      April 9, 2012, 12:19 pm

      Like so many of Gods plans…they are oddly similar to the most incompetent of mans plans.

  2. Sonja
    April 9, 2012, 8:59 am

    It is time to call it Israelogy, a sectarian ideology that requires total mind control after extensive brainwashing.

  3. FreddyV
    April 9, 2012, 8:59 am

    Just read through the first two pages. Stein is getting the crap kicked out of him by commenters..

    Looks like the narrative is changing on CBS.

  4. pabelmont
    April 9, 2012, 9:14 am

    As to 355 comments on Stein’s [yes, hysterical] article: “I assume many of them dismissing it.”

    Exactly. I could not register and could no read the comments. Might be my O/S (linux) but I doubt it. Looks more like secrecy.

    • Annie Robbins
      April 9, 2012, 10:44 am

      here are the comments pabelmont:

      link to cbsnews.com

    • LeaNder
      April 9, 2012, 11:17 am

      pabelmont, I can’t open the comments on any of my browsers either (Firefox, Nightly, Opera, Chrome), and I am on Windows 7, 64. Seems I am already registered but logging in doesn’t change anything either. Just as Annie’s link lead me to the same page view as Phil’s. Comments closed. Hand icon appearing but clicking does not open the comments section.

  5. tombishop
    April 9, 2012, 9:18 am

    Anyone who cares about the threat to Iran should view the show Rick Steve’s Iran
    link to video.google.com

  6. marc b.
    April 9, 2012, 9:53 am

    at least stein is consistently wrong, he who soft peddled the economic crisis, pooh-poohed concern over the subprime market, and defended the randian nuttiness of greenspan. i heard this twit dismissing criticism of greenspan on some NPR program, insisting that greenspan (‘he’s just one man’ or something like that) really had no influence on the US economy as chairman of the federal reserve. is that so? so what the f*ck do we have the fed for in the first place then, you friggin’ sub-genius?

    and now this. ahmadinejad as the new hitler. how comforting it must be to stein and his ilk to have a new hitler at hand at any given moment, the iranian replacing hussein’s TNR hitler mustache as the symbolic fuhrer. never mind that the US and Israel are training what amounts to, in a more accurate analogy, the MEK, an Iranian khmer rouge. for someone who knows what they’re talking about when it comes to iran, see sy hersh’s latest in the NYer.

    link to newyorker.com

    It was here [the Department of Energy’s Nevada National Security Site] that the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) conducted training, beginning in 2005, for members of the Mujahideen-e-Khalq, a dissident Iranian opposition group known in the West as the M.E.K. The M.E.K. had its beginnings as a Marxist-Islamist student-led group and, in the nineteen-seventies, it was linked to the assassination of six American citizens. It was initially part of the broad-based revolution that led to the 1979 overthrow of the Shah of Iran. But, within a few years, the group was waging a bloody internal war with the ruling clerics, and, in 1997, it was listed as a foreign terrorist organization by the State Department. In 2002, the M.E.K. earned some international credibility by publicly revealing—accurately—that Iran had begun enriching uranium at a secret underground location. Mohamed ElBaradei, who at the time was the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations’ nuclear monitoring agency, told me later that he had been informed that the information was supplied by the Mossad. The M.E.K.’s ties with Western intelligence deepened after the fall of the Iraqi regime in 2003, and JSOC began operating inside Iran in an effort to substantiate the Bush Administration’s fears that Iran was building the bomb at one or more secret underground locations. Funds were covertly passed to a number of dissident organizations, for intelligence collection and, ultimately, for anti-regime terrorist activities. Directly, or indirectly, the M.E.K. ended up with resources like arms and intelligence. Some American-supported covert operations continue in Iran today, according to past and present intelligence officials and military consultants.

    PS oops. hersh article already linked below. sorry for the redundancy.

  7. Woody Tanaka
    April 9, 2012, 10:16 am

    “Basically, the world did nothing to save them…”

    It really is infuriating to see this lie — this libel — being tossed about so casually. Disgusting.

    • Fredblogs
      April 9, 2012, 1:52 pm

      It’s not a lie. The main reason the Germans slowed down their killing was that they had already wiped out most of the Jews in Europe. The U.S. sent Jewish refugees back to the Axis powers to die. The French collaborated. The Polish were more enthusiastic mass murderers than even the Germans were. The world did practically nothing to interfere except when the death camps happened to be in the path of troops advancing into German held territory. Other than not continuing to run the death camps, once captured, the world did nothing to save the Jews, except for Denmark (who did large scale evac), it was a few individuals here and there, nothing widespread.

      • Keith
        April 9, 2012, 6:15 pm

        FREDBLOGS- I certainly hope that you are including the pre-state Zionist leadership in your comment about “the world did nothing to save the Jews.” Actually, since the non-Zionist world was fighting the Nazis while the Zionists were terrorizing the Arabs, the rest of the world seems to have done more than the Zionists. Not too surprising when you consider that without the Holocaust it seems unlikely that the Zionists could have created a Jewish state in Palestine. We have had numerous comments on Mondoweiss regarding Zionist efforts to discourage rescue efforts which I am sure you are aware of but choose to ignore. I leave you with a quote:

        “When they come to us with two plans–the rescue of the masses of Jews in Europe or the redemption of the land–I vote, without a second thought, for the redemption of the land. The more said about the slaughter of our people, the greater the minimization of our efforts to strengthen and promote the Hebraisation of the land.” (Yitzhak Gruenbaum, Zionist official, quoted in “The Hidden History of Zionism” by Ralph Schoenman)

      • Fredblogs
        April 9, 2012, 7:04 pm

        Your quote might impress me, except that making up fake quotes by early Israelis is a cottage industry among neo-Nazi hate sites and anti-
        semites generally. The quotes then spread to less overtly anti-semitic sites and so on.

        No, I wouldn’t believe such a quote without an original source, and as we have seen elsewhere on this site, even when you guys try to produce an original source, you instead come up with later “copies” and incorrectly claim them to be the originals.

      • straightline
        April 9, 2012, 8:14 pm

        Thanks Keith

        Fredblogs was peddling this twaddle a few days ago and I hoped that one of the many knowledgeable (much more so than I) people who write for this site would counter him. Many people, organisations, and countries (US, UK, and Australia in particular) were trying to do something to help the Jews and others at risk under the Nazis but, by and large, their efforts were stymied by the Zionists. Here are some quotes but I’d welcome input someone with more knowledge.

        link to wrmea.com

        link to desip.igc.org

        The original Lilienthal link on the latter site seems to have disappeared.
        Here is Lilienthal’s site

        link to realnews247.com

        He died in 2008.

      • CigarGod
        April 9, 2012, 8:46 pm

        As inconvenient as the truth is, it needs to be stated…in all it’s glorious – and – horrendous colors…and admitted, and taught.

      • Keith
        April 10, 2012, 11:37 am

        FREDBLOGS- “No, I wouldn’t believe such a quote without an original source….”
        Well, we all understand that it is easy to believe what is convenient to believe, and to disbelieve that which is not. No doubt all of your assertions reference archival material? There are numerous quotes from numerous sources concerning the early Zionists statements of intent which they then implemented. Zionism was NOT a rescue mission. Who profited more from the Holocaust than the Zionists? If you want to chase after sources, enter the quote into google and have fun. As I mentioned, this has been fully discussed here on Mondoweiss. The following link will take you to one of those discussions. Perhaps Tree and/or Hostage will indulge you with additional references, however, we both know that your insistence on primary sources is a debating tactic, nothing more. link to mondoweiss.net

      • lysias
        April 9, 2012, 7:11 pm

        The Polish were more enthusiastic mass murderers than even the Germans were.

        A slander against the Poles. I’d be surprised if the Poles were guilty of mass murder even in the four figures. What are your sources?

      • Kathleen
        April 11, 2012, 11:46 am

        3 million poles were massacred in Hitlers killing machine. Sure some Poles participated in the slaughter. Similar to the Bush administrations smaller but similar genocide in Iraq. Team to go along and push the invasion, team to implement the disaster then those that do the killing or set up the environment for the killing to take place. Not gas ovens, not as many people perished but systematic genocide one way or the other

      • Kathleen
        April 11, 2012, 11:47 am

        Israeli army and the Israeli government sure seem to have picked up on what you call “enthusiastic” murdering. They are just better at keeping the truth out of the press and out of world view. Up until the last five years

      • Antidote
        April 11, 2012, 11:50 am

        “A slander against the Poles. I’d be surprised if the Poles were guilty of mass murder even in the four figures. What are your sources?”

        In “Statistics Of Poland’s Democide -Estimates, Calculations, And Sources” R.J. Rummel wrote:

        “Poland is of special interest because of the large number of Germans its regime killed. But these are not the only ethnics that it murdered. Table 7.2 recapitulates the total democide of Reichdeutsch and ethnic Germans (line 21) and adds to this the Polish post-war killing of Jews (lines 8 to 12) and Ukrainians (lines 15 to 17). I suspect these numbers are very conservative and do not take into account the murder of war-time collaborators [...]. But I can find no estimates of such a toll in the sources. In any case, the total democide for these years (line 24) still well places Poland among the megamurderers.”

        link to hawaii.edu

        Table 7.2:

        link to hawaii.edu

        According to Rummel, Poland’s annual democide rate (1945-48) is considerably greater than the annual rate of the Soviet Union (1917-87) or Nazi Germany (1933-45):

        link to hawaii.edu

        Rummel also notes:

        “Of all the statistics I have presented on democide, two cases have been most controversial. One is for the democide by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia 1975 to 1979 [which] has received considerable criticism from the left as a gross overestimate. [...] Another controversy is over my case study or statistics of the Polish post-World War II democide of the Reich and ethnic Germans under their control. This has aroused considerable discussion in Poland [and] caused some irate Poles to send me “fuck you” e-mails, but there were also attempts to refute my facts and arguments. “

        See link for details and discussion:

        link to hawaii.edu

        The persecution, and, indeed, the exodus of Jews, Germans and Ukrainians in and from Poland did not start at the end of WW II, and it would be naive to assume that revenge for Polish suffering during WW II provides the main or sole motive. In fact, such arguments only tend to provide similar psychological and political exculpation for aggression and revenge against Poles, be it by Germans or Ukrainians, during or after WW II. Is that what FY-emailing Poles want to justify as well?

        On the persecution of Jews, Germans and Ukrainians and other non-Poles in Poland after WW I see:

        link to en.wikisource.org

        link to en.wikipedia.org

        Germans:

        link to books.google.ca

        link to ghi-dc.org

        Ukrainians:

        link to ghi-dc.org

        I would also recommend Gregor Thum’s Uprooted: How Breslau became Wroclaw During the Century of Expulsions. See p. 192 ff et passim on the old Polish national dream of western expansion into German (Prussian) territory, and its political pursuit immediately after WW I

        link to books.google.ca

        Rummel quotes Polish documents (from the archdiocese in Breslau) on the expulsions of the Germans from the city:

        “There, where the number of Germans who had remained behind was about 300,000, it has been determined officially that more than ninety per cent of the babies, a very large percentage of infants, many young mothers and old persons died of starvation. As a result of the shortage of fats, dysentery broke out and claimed many victims, all the more so as the medical supplies which had not been confiscated or stolen were soon exhausted. Since the dispensaries usually only sold their goods in exchange for Zloty [Polish money] …, the majority of Germans were not in a position to buy any medical supplies. For the same reason it was practically impossible for them to obtain hospital treatment as a deposit of 200 Zloty … had to be paid upon admission to a hospital. The Germans were obliged to sell the few possessions they had managed to save, such as linen, clothing, electric stoves, jewelry, etc., to the Poles in order to obtain zloty with which to buy a little food. It must be remembered that from May 8th [1945] onwards the Germans had been obliged to get along without receiving any Polish money (in the form of wage or salary) and without any official allocations of food rations. The misery and distress of the population in the towns was indescribable.
        It is obvious that, under the circumstances, many persons were at their wit’s end. The number of suicides increased at an alarming rate; in fact, there would have been even more suicides in Breslau had the gas supply been available.”

        link to hawaii.edu

        The Potsdam Agreement, as Rummel notes, was not an order to expel, but merely gave permission. It did by no means authorize murder, plunder and rape. Thum writes extensively about the memory hole to which post-war Poland has assigned the crimes committed against the Germans (and not only the Germans, of course). See his Chapters 8-10. One finds much common ground here with the various ways of dealing (or not dealing) with the Nakba in Israel. Still, in the 1990s, a Wroclaw writer significantly broke through the collective amnesia and amputated memory:

        “Please keep in mind that I was living in a German house in which whole generations of German children had been born and elderly Germans had died. I slept on a German bed, looked at German pictures on the walls, bathed in a German bathtub, ate from German pots and dishes, played with German swords, wrote with a German pen and German ink, leafed through German books … And every time I took my school shirt off its hook, I would see the inscription ‘Steuernagel’. That was the name of the doctor who had lived in my apartment. He had never done anything to me … and yet there I was living with his things. Sometimes I would think to myself: ‘My God, we’re living with stolen good!’…. we were raised in hatred and fear of the Germans from childhood on; and at the same time our entire world, the entire cosmos of everyday life, even our tastes were shaped by the realm of these German things, appliances, forms, and by the German spirit. Do you know what this means? Don’t you think this will have an impact on a person?” (Thum 384)

        What impact does it have on a person, a culture, a society? What is the difference between a Pole living in a German apartment or house and a German living in a Jewish apartment or house, or an Israeli living in a Palestinian apartment or house?

        MW commenter dumvitaestspesest on November 26, 2011 at 9:08 am

        “I can totaly relate to it. My grandparents, ( on my mom’s side) were ,transfered from Ukraine right after the war, to the south-west of Poland. They wound up in a tiny village located near Wroclaw (Breslau), where they lived in a post-German house. I was born and spent my young years there ,before my parents moved up North. Aaand thooose were the days, I wouldn’t trade for anything else. I owned EVERYTHING . All the forests, streams, meadows, river, cementaries, trees, roof-tops etc. Me and the local kids were free to run around there ,like little dogs let out of a leash, and explore, all day long. I was a Tree Fairy. I loved climbing trees, used to spend hours on them, had favourite ones, and never fall off them. Trees were my friends, as well as roofs. Again, climbing , walking and spending time on them was a challenge and a pleasure, that I quite can’t figure out right now. I was a litte tomboy, not afraid of anything. Dressed in a very simple , rather dirty clothes , oftentimes with holes ( all the climbing, jumping, rolling , etc was taking toll on them) I run around with an energy and curiosity of a very inquisitive , and not afraid of anything child. Kind of a hippy child or a native Indian child ,free to go whenever she wishes, as long she shows up at the meal times, and definately by the evening time. I remember especially those beautiful,vast ,Polish meadows, covered in the late spring, with a multitude of multi-color wild flowers and tall , green grass. Us/girls used to spend hours in them making bouquets ,and crowns on our heads made of grass and those colorful flowers. We were little princesess that were not looking for a prince, but were just having a good time jumping thorugh wild streams with plenty of rocks to climb on. I rememeber the old attic in our house. Full of old, post- German furniture, mirrows, books, newpapers, clothes etc ,and spider webs with an occasional, unfriendly spider sitting in them. On a rainy days I loved going there and just go through everything there for the 100th time. It was an excellent place to play hide and seek. I have so many great memmories from my simple, not fancy at all, ( I almost had no toys, but I had the whole wide world around me to play with) ,yet very enjoyable, free childhood, that I could almost write a book about it. We had freedom to explore the nature, freedom to discover what the real world is about, freedom to make mistakes and learn from them, freedom to make it or break it. We had that kind of freedom that now, current generations have no idea what we are talking about. Sometimes I do not even believe that it was for real. It seems like ages ago. And I’m not even thaaaat old:).”

        How poetic. Now imagine a German taking over a ‘post-Jewish’ or a Jew taking over a ‘post-Palestinian’ house posting this on MW. It would either be censored or fiercely condemned by a few dozen comments. Why the double standard?

      • Antidote
        April 11, 2012, 1:09 pm

        “Similar to the Bush administrations smaller but similar genocide in Iraq.”

        Why switch to the Bush administation? What about the “killing machine” unleashed by the Roosevelt administration against Hitler’s “killing machine”? What, other than gas chambers, qualifies as systematic, industrialized murder, and as a war crime and crime against humanity? And how did one “killing machine” fuel the other?

        Scenes from the ‘good war’:

        AMY GOODMAN: You talk about your final bombing run, not over Japan, not over Germany, but over France?

        HOWARD ZINN: Yeah. Well, we thought bombing missions were over. The war was about to come to an end. This was in April of 1945, and remember the war ended in early May 1945. This was a few weeks before the war was going to be over, and everybody knew it was going to be over, and our armies were past France into Germany, but there was a little pocket of German soldiers hanging around this little town of Royan on the Atlantic coast of France, and the Air Force decided to bomb them. 1,200 heavy bombers, and I was in one of them, flew over this little town of Royan and dropped napalm — first use of napalm in the European theater. And we didn’t know how many people were killed, how many people were terribly burned as a result of what we did. But I did it like most soldiers do, unthinkingly, mechanically, thinking we’re on the right side, they’re on the wrong side, and therefore we can do whatever we want, and it’s okay. And only afterward, only really after the war when I was reading about Hiroshima from John Hersey and reading the stories of the survivors of Hiroshima and what they went through, only then did I begin to think about the human effects of bombing. Only then did I begin to think about what it meant to human beings on the ground when bombs were dropped on them, because as a bombardier, I was flying at 30,000 feet, six miles high, couldn’t hear screams, couldn’t see blood. And this is modern warfare.

        In modern warfare, soldiers fire, they drop bombs, and they have no notion, really, of what is happening to the human beings that they’re firing on. Everything is done at a distance. This enables terrible atrocities to take place. And I think reflecting back on that bombing raid, and thinking of that in Hiroshima and all of the other raids on civilian cities and the killing of huge numbers of civilians in German and Japanese cities, the killing of a hundred thousand people in Tokyo in one night of fire-bombing, all of that made me realize war, even so-called good wars against fascism like World War II, wars don’t solve any fundamental problems, and they always poison everybody on both sides. They poison the minds and souls of everybody on both sides. We are seeing that now in Iraq, where the minds of our soldiers are being poisoned by being an occupying army in a land where they are not wanted. And the results are terrible.

        AMY GOODMAN: You learned you dropped napalm on this French village?

        HOWARD ZINN: You say?

        AMY GOODMAN: Napalm?

        HOWARD ZINN: Napalm. Well, we actually didn’t know what it was. They said, oh, you’re not going to have the usually 500 pound demolition bombs. You’re going to carry one — you’re going to carry 30 100-pound canisters of jellied gasoline. We had no idea what that was, but it was napalm.

        link to democracynow.org

        Just wondering how many Americans know that napalm was dropped on France during WW II. Some ‘liberation’.

      • RoHa
        April 9, 2012, 8:35 pm

        “The world did practically nothing to interfere ”

        Much of the world was conducting a total war against the perpetrators. What more do you expect them to have done?

      • wondering jew
        April 10, 2012, 1:41 am

        The truth is somewhere between what Stein writes and the comments here in Mondoweiss. I believe that Yehuda Bauer has debunked the bomb the tracks to Auschwitz idea, although emotions hold onto the idea that with their knowledge the allies could have done more to help the Jews in various ways to escape the deaths that the Nazis had prepared for them. Certain comments by certain state department officials, certainly help one to think that it was callousness towards the Jews that led to various military decisions, but a cool calm detached eye of the historian is needed to truly detect what might have been possible and what wasn’t. Jan Karski felt that the cold shoulder he received when he brought his news was related to the powerlessness of the Jews. Certainly before the war and before the killing machine began, the callousness of the world to the idea of taking in refugees did nothing to deprive Hitler of the propaganda victory, “nobody wants the Jews.”

        So, though Stein is in the red zone away from the truth (6 out of 18 million is one third, why does he need to say almost one half) there are facts that are glossed over in the false impression given that the allies have nothing to answer for.

      • Woody Tanaka
        April 10, 2012, 9:20 am

        “The truth is somewhere between what Stein writes and the comments here in Mondoweiss.”

        Then please explain what, if not fighting for unconditional surrender and victory at its early opportunity, would have done the job. Seriously. Please describe the mission, in detail, demonstrating the logistics of what weapons and personnel from what bases, at what time, and in what manner, the Allies could have stopped the killings.

        Because, frankly, I’ve never seen anything which would suffice, given the difficulties in the available weapons, the opposition, the nature of the mission, the geography, etc.

      • dahoit
        April 10, 2012, 12:37 pm

        Ah,go back and rewrite some more history books,your arguments fall as flat as Judge Doom steamrollered.Hey,are Zionists Toons?Sounds likely,as they are quite demonic and bloodthirsty.
        How many Tutsis or Hutus did Israel welcome ?Tamils?
        This idiocy is past the sell by date!
        Could one imagine the litigation and guilt put on America if we had bombed the trains or camps?Talk about guilt by association.
        I believe our government already pays alleged holocaust survivors in some way or another,so its Katy bar the door,I guess.

      • LeaNder
        April 10, 2012, 8:42 am

        The Polish were more enthusiastic mass murderers than even the Germans were.

        Yad Vashem ignores Polish victims, like many others, is that your source?

        The American Holocaust Museum is slightly more objective concerning “the Polish” as victims:

        The Nazis viewed Poles and other Slavic peoples as inferior, and slated them for subjugation, forced labor, and eventual annihilation. Poles who were considered ideologically dangerous (including thousands of intellectuals and Catholic priests) were targeted for execution in an operation known as AB-Aktion. Between 1939 and 1945, at least 1.5 million Polish citizens were deported to German territory for forced labor. Hundreds of thousands were also imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps. It is estimated that the Germans killed at least 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish civilians during World War II.

      • marc b.
        April 10, 2012, 9:06 am

        not that it would make a dent, i suggest that you read ‘bloodlands’ by timothy snyder, breadflogs. your potted history of the multiple extermination projects going on in europe in 1930s-1945 is crap. as for the poles, polish government officials, administrators, the intellectual elite, doctors, lawyers, etc. were collectively the first group to be systematically murdered by the germans when they entered poland, not ‘the jews’ as a collective. similarly, contrary to goldfrauden’s ‘willing executioners’ thesis (which i have a very clear memory of being ripped to shreds on CSPAN by experienced historians when it was first published) the nazis and their precursors spent decades murdering socialists, communists, trade unionists, etc. before coming to power, so it shouldn’t come as surprise that an effective defense of persecuted minorities such as roma, homosexuals, jews, etc. couldn’t be established in germany in the midst of a world war. but i know none of these facts can be used to promote the myth that the world simply turned its back on ‘the jews’.

        do you spend a moment’s thought about the tens of millions of others murdered during the war?

        UPDATE i see that lea has responded appropriately to breadflogs nonsense. on a personal note, my mother’s family lived in the soviet sector of poland, and any and all of her male relatives of age were ‘volunteered’ into the red army. that might partially explain their personal failure to stop the genocide in poland.

      • Woody Tanaka
        April 10, 2012, 9:13 am

        “The Polish were more enthusiastic mass murderers than even the Germans were.”

        Mods, why didn’t this get this clown banned? Does Mondoweiss permit discussion of blood libels now? Because this is what this lie is, nothing less than a blood libel.

        Please let me know, so I won’t be shocked if someone posts a Christian-blood/matzo post to go along with Fredblogs’ blood libel.

        Ban him now, please.

      • marc b.
        April 10, 2012, 11:16 am

        woody, i think that the inclusion of breadflogs, proud agent triple-zero 7, and a select few others serves a useful function. not that half of me doesn’t reach the boiling point when i see such claptrap, but breadflogs is like a living museum piece, the 21st century equivalent of a 19th century racist.

        really, breadflogs, did you conduct the ‘polish enthusiasm’ poll yourself? i’d be interested to see the data that leads to your no doubt thoughtful conclusion about the relative bloodthirstiness of ‘the poles’. were DNA samples tested? the anti-semite gene is apparently pretty prominent among poles and easily spotted under the microscope, what with the tiny blood-drenched knife clenched in its teeth.

      • CigarGod
        April 10, 2012, 12:01 pm

        Fred is just following the formula for “knowing”.
        Fred…want me to explain how it works…and why it doesn’t work?

      • Fredblogs
        April 10, 2012, 2:55 pm

        Pogroms continued after the war ended. Blood Libel anyone?

        link to en.wikipedia.org

      • lysias
        April 12, 2012, 2:05 pm

        From Fredblogs’s source about post-war pogroms in Poland:

        The exact number of Jewish victims is a subject of debate, but the range is estimated as 1,000[1] to 2,000[2] (with 327 documented cases).[3]

        Deplorable, yes, but obviously it bears no comparison with what the Germans had done.

      • Woody Tanaka
        April 12, 2012, 2:38 pm

        “Deplorable, yes, but obviously it bears no comparison with what the Germans had done.”

        Exactly, lysias. Which is exactly why he should be banned.

        And, in fact, I would say that if he is suggesting that these 2000 deaths were worse than anything that the Germans did, then he is clearly a Holocaust denier. Which was supposed to be a bannable offense.

      • eljay
        April 12, 2012, 2:51 pm

        >> From Fredblogs’s source about post-war pogroms in Poland:
        >> The exact number of Jewish victims is a subject of debate, but the range is estimated as 1,000[1] to 2,000[2] (with 327 documented cases).[3]

        From that same source:
        >> Jews constituted between 2% and 3% of the total number of victims of postwar violence in the country …

        Wow, so 97% to 98% of the victims of post-war pogroms were non-Jewish Poles! Perhaps it’s to this staggering statistic that Fredblogs was actually trying to draw everyone’s attention.

      • LeaNder
        April 10, 2012, 9:44 am

        The French collaborated.

        Just as they had a rather strong resistance, but that of course doesn’t matter in your tale, since there are no numbers how many were deported for forced labor or straight into the camps in Germany or elsewhere. Or shot right on the spot.

        Other than not continuing to run the death camps, once captured, the world did nothing to save the Jews, except for Denmark (who did large scale evac), it was a few individuals here and there, nothing widespread.

        Yes, it’s of course collectively the Danes, strictly your collective perspective reminds me of the Nazis: the Poles, the Slaves, … the forgotten Communists, Socialist and resistance fighters whose numbers no one ever collected. The Nazis also used collective punishment on groups for what one of them had done, to make them subjugate to their power, if any of them were left after such actions.

        In the case of Denmark about 2000 Danish policemen paid the price and ended up in camps. But the Danes couldn’t have done it without the help from this Nazi or party member. But I guess now it get’s slightly too complicated for you, correct?

      • Woody Tanaka
        April 10, 2012, 12:28 pm

        “It’s not a lie.”

        It is a lie. The nations of the world engaged in a war the likes of which the world had never seen, before or since, in order to destroy the force that was doing the killings. That is not nothing, and to suggest it is is the gravest of insults – a spit in the face – to the millions who fought and died trying to destroy that evil. And the German slowed down their killings because the Allies (primarily the Soviets) were advancing on the grounds where those killings occurred, and, in the process of fighting, first repulsing the Germans in Russia and then advancing across Eastern Europe into Germany, proper, saved millions of lives who would have otherwise have died had the fight not occurred. Indeed, the soldiers of the British Army who fought and died in North Africa directly saved the lives of every Jew in Palestine. Every one.

        You sick bastard insult every one of those people.

        It is a sad enough fact that the efforts of the world was not enough to save the millions who were murdered by the Nazis, Jews and non-Jews alike. There is no need for to spit on those who fought and died in that effort by lying and saying that the world did nothing.

      • RoHa
        April 10, 2012, 10:45 pm

        “Indeed, the soldiers of the British Army who fought and died in North Africa directly saved the lives of every Jew in Palestine. Every one.”

        The British Army in North Africa was actually made up of British, Australian, Indian, Canadian, NZ, and South African forces, with additional units of Czechs, Poles, Free French, and Greeks. Also active on the Allied side were the Army of Africa, made up of French and Arab soldiers, and the Libyan Resitance fighters.

        The Syrian Campaign, which prevented the Germans from being able to use Vichy Syria/Lebanon, was largely carried out by the Australian Army and the Indian Army, with brigades of British, Free French, Jordanian, and Czech soldiers. Britain and Australia provided the naval and air support. Britain and the Palmach provided commando operations.

        But do we ever hear a word of sympathy forthe suffering of the Arabs of North Africa, Syria, and Iraq, as foreign forces turned their countries into battlefields?

      • Antidote
        April 11, 2012, 1:21 pm

        “You sick bastard insult every one of those people.”

        You are a “sick bastard”, Woody. You conveniently omit the fact that it was not some ‘evil force’ that was destroyed by the Allies, but human beings, animals, cities, towns and villages. Deal with it.

      • Antidote
        April 11, 2012, 8:00 pm

        The British Army in North Africa was actually made up of British, Australian, Indian, Canadian, NZ, and South African forces, with additional units of Czechs, Poles, Free French, and Greeks. Also active on the Allied side were the Army of Africa, made up of French and Arab soldiers, and the Libyan Resitance fighters … which prevented the Germans…”

        I suppose you mean Wehrmacht soldiers when you say “the Germans”? Does that include the Italian divisions of the Afrikacorps? The Indian Legion? North Africans and Arabs? Somehow not all Arabs and Indians were willing to fight for a British victory against the racist Germans. Can’t imagine why not. You do realize, I trust, that the Wehrmacht, as well as the Waffen-SS, was also a multi-ethnic, multi- national force of volunteers and conscripts, including many Europeans, a few Brits, Irish, Americans, and a million Soviets. Whatever.

      • RoHa
        April 11, 2012, 10:35 pm

        “I suppose you mean Wehrmacht soldiers when you say “the Germans”? Does that include the Italian divisions of the Afrikacorps? ”

        As far as I know, the Italians had no designs on Syria.

        No, not all Arabs were prepared to fight on the side of the British and the French. The Libyan Resistance was anti-Italian rather than pro-Ally. But my main point is that Arabs and Indians were also involved in the war against the Nazis, even though the Zionists say that “the world stood by”.

        My secondary point was that no-one seems to care about the Arabs who were caught up in the war. They just get forgotten.

  8. atime forpeace
    April 9, 2012, 10:26 am

    I saw him deliver it, it felt not right at all. These losers are trying to create “facts on the ground” so they can then move with support.

  9. Kathleen
    April 9, 2012, 10:32 am

    No the I lobby has no influence on our MSM. Just total malarkey. CBS promoting lies about Iran for Israel

  10. Sin Nombre
    April 9, 2012, 10:34 am

    I like Ben Stein. He’s funny, he’s smart, he’s humane; there’s damn near nothing not to like about him. There is no way he is indifferent to anyone’s suffering.

    But here once again we see the utter lack of any historical balance that in my mind is at the very center of allowing the inflamed thinking that it incites. Even in the soundest of people. Here, in other words—indeed in Ben’s own words—is the kind of utterly unbalanced history that has even unbalanced a Ben Stein. An unbalanced history that is gradually but utterly blotting out the blatant obvious moral truth that all humans are capable of being beasts.

    I’m so sick of this unbalance. How often—to use as many of Stein’s words as possible—has anyone seen anything like the following?

    “About 90 years ago enemies of the Christian and other religious people rose up in the form of the Bolsheviks in Europe and their many eager helpers, including in America. Given their relative population, a simply staggering proportion of those enemies of Christians were jews, especially in the Bolshevik leadership and secret police. Their hands were not stayed, In the cruelest imaginable ways, including prolonged intentional mass starvation of millions alone and the attempted genocides of a number of small nationhoods via forcible displacement, they basically wiped out some 20 [or 30? or 40? or 50?] million Christians and other religious people in the Soviet Union.

    Basically, not only did the world do nothing to save them, but when the Bolshevik’s eager helpers were not busy denying and lying about what was being done, they were defending it, justifying it, and even cheering it on.”

    Without some corrective balancing of this sort it seems to me only natural what is happening; indeed even logical: Progressive generations, utterly ignorant of the reality of all of what happened, of *course* believing that there’s some human uniquenesses out there. That … only *some* people can ever behave as beasts, and that only *some* people can ever be victims.

    Correct that imbalance, in my view, and you’ve gone a long long way towards helping *everyone.* As Chekhov said:

    “Man will become better only when he is made to see what he has become.”

    • Annie Robbins
      April 9, 2012, 10:46 am

      i have never liked ben stein as far as i can recall. his voice is very annoying and he’s a one trick pony. it’s the role he always plays, same role every time.

      • Kathleen
        April 9, 2012, 12:36 pm

        That voice sure can get under your skin. Then the manipulative use of the Holocaust against Iran is just pathetic. Israel should sign the Npt and stop threatening Iran almost daily

    • Woody Tanaka
      April 9, 2012, 11:43 am

      “I like Ben Stein. He’s funny, he’s smart, he’s humane; there’s damn near nothing not to like about him.”

      I don’t know if you are being serious here, but Ben Stein is an aweful human being. One need only look at the people he attacked in his creationist movie to see that. Anyone who would push those religious lies, and to slander those who understand the science of evolution, cannot be termed “humane.” There is much not to like about him.

      • Citizen
        April 9, 2012, 7:04 pm

        He’s suppose to be a droll humanist but he’s just a Zionist prick

    • maggielorraine
      April 9, 2012, 7:22 pm

      Ben Stein is an anti-choice republican, former speech-writer for Nixon, and most importantly, a rabid science-bashing creationist. You’ve got to be kidding me.

    • CigarGod
      April 10, 2012, 11:19 am

      “Man will become better only when he is made to see what he has become.”
      Great quote…and I agree.
      Unfortunately, once man has seen what he has become:
      “We are not a rational species, we are a rationalizing species”.
      - Google not helping my memory on origin of quote -

      • eljay
        April 10, 2012, 11:30 am

        >> “We are not a rational species, we are a rationalizing species”.

        According to Wikiquote, Robert A. Heinlein said: “Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal.”

      • CigarGod
        April 10, 2012, 12:43 pm

        Thanks.
        I’m betting there is a good chance Fred would not agree, we are animals….

  11. Pixel
    April 9, 2012, 10:36 am

    Hysteria escalates to yet another hysterical level.

    My gut reaction on this, is that Stein has to have been one of the worst choices possible, as spokesman for this message.

    I think I know why he was tapped, but Mr. and Mrs. “U.S. do or die” Middle America, are going to see and hear something quite different than the message intended.

    Cluelessly, Israel/AIPAC, et al, continue to foment anti-semitism in America as, within the context of the video, Stein comes across as (i.e., looks and sound of his voice) the worst negative stereotype of Jews imaginable.

  12. justicewillprevail
    April 9, 2012, 11:39 am

    more fomenting the flames of hatred which apparently Israel objects to when it claims to find it in a German poem. Is it only Israel and its eager little mouthpieces who get a free pass to ‘foment the flames of hatred?

  13. Chu
    April 9, 2012, 12:32 pm

    likely delusions from Passover.

    “Pour out your wrath!” The devastating fiction of Passover
    link to redress.cc

    There are two sentences in the Haggadah that always had – and still have – a profound impact on the present.

    One is the central idea on which almost all Jews base their historical outlook: “In every generation they rise against us to destroy us”.

    This does not apply to a specific time or to a specific place. It is regarded as an eternal truth that applies to all places, all times. ”They” is the entire outside world, all non-Jews everywhere. Children hear this on Seder evening on their father’s knee, long before they are able to read and write, and from then on they hear or recite it every year for decades. It expresses the total conscious or unconscious conviction of almost all Jews, whether in Los Angeles, California or in Lod, Israel. It certainly directs the policy of the state of Israel.

    The second sentence, which complements the first, is a cry to God: “Pour out your wrath upon the nations that do not know you … for they have devoured Jacob and desolated his home…Pour out your wrath on them! May your blazing anger overtake them! Pursue them from under the heavens of the Lord!…”

    The word “nations” in this text has a double meaning. The Hebrew word is goyim, an ancient Hebrew term for “peoples”. Even the ancient Children of Israel were called a “Holy Goy”. But over the centuries the word has taken on another meaning, and is understood to refer to all non-Jews, in a very derogatory way. (As in the Yiddish song “Oy, Oy, Oy, / Drunk is the Goy.”)

  14. DICKERSON3870
    April 9, 2012, 12:40 pm

    RE: “they [the Nazis] basically wiped out the Jews of Europe – a staggering six million men, women and children. That was roughly half of the Jews on Earth. Basically, the world did nothing to save them…” ~ Ben Stein

    EXCERPTS FROM “The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict”, Published by Jews for Justice in the Middle East:

    (excerpts)…“In 1938 a thirty-one nation conference was held in Evian, France, on resettlement of the victims of Nazism. The World Zionist Organization refused to participate, fearing that resettlement of Jews in other states would reduce the number available for Palestine.” ~ John Quigley, ‘Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice’
    “It was summed up in the meeting [of the Jewish Agency’s Executive on June 26, 1938] that the Zionist thing to do ‘is belittle the [Evian] Conference as far as possible and to cause it to decide nothing… ~ Israeli author Boas Evron, ‘Jewish State or Israeli Nation?’
    “[Ben-Gurion stated] ‘If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, but only half of them by transporting them to Palestine, I would choose the second — because we face not only the reckoning of those children, but the historical reckoning of the Jewish people.’ In the wake of the Kristallnacht pogroms, Ben-Gurion commented that ‘the human conscience’ might bring various countries to open their doors to Jewish refugees from Germany. He saw this as a threat and warned: ‘Zionism is in danger.’” ~ Israeli historian, Tom Segev, ‘The Seventh Million’
    Roosevelt’s advisor writes on why Jewish refugees were not offered sanctuary in the U.S. after WWII
    …“[Roosevelt] proposed a world budget for the easy migration of the 500,000 beaten people of Europe. Each nation should open its doors for some thousands of refugees…So he suggested that during my trips for him to England during the war I sound out in a general, unofficial manner the leaders of British public opinion, in and out of the government…The simple answer: Great Britain will match the United States, man for man, in admissions from Europe…It seemed all settled. With the rest of the world probably ready to give haven to 200,000, there was a sound reason for the President to press Congress to take in at least 150,000 immigrants after the war…
    “It would free us from the hypocrisy of closing our own doors while making sanctimonious demands on the Arabs…But it did not work out…The failure of the leading Jewish organizations to support with zeal this immigration programme may have caused the President not to push forward with it at that time…
    “I talked to many people active in Jewish organizations. I suggested the plan…I was amazed and even felt insulted when active Jewish leaders decried, sneered, and then attacked me as if I were a traitor…I think I know the reason for much of the opposition. There is a deep, genuine, often fanatical emotional vested interest in putting over the Palestinian movement [Zionism]. Men like Ben Hecht are little concerned about human blood if it is not their own.” ~ Jewish attorney and friend of President Roosevelt, Morris Ernst, ‘So Far, So Good’

    ENTIRE “ORIGIN” BOOKLET – link to ifamericansknew.org

    • DICKERSON3870
      April 9, 2012, 12:44 pm

      P.S. ANOTHER EXCERPT:

      . . . As late as 1943, while the Jews of Europe were being exterminated in their millions, the U.S. Congress proposed to set up a commission to ‘study’ the problem. Rabbi Stephen Wise, who was the principal American spokesperson for Zionism, came to Washington to testify against the rescue bill because it would divert attention from the colonization of Palestine.
      This is the same Rabbi Wise who, in 1938, in his capacity as leader of the American Jewish Congress, wrote a letter in which he opposed any change in U.S. immigration laws which would enable Jews to find refuge. He stated:
      “It may interest you to know that some weeks ago the representatives of all the leading Jewish organizations met in conference. … It was decided that no Jewish organization would, at this time, sponsor a bill which would in any way alter the immigration laws.”
      . . . ~ from “Our Shomer ‘Weltanschauung”, Hashomer Hatzair, December 1936. Originally published in 1917, Brenner, Zionism, p. 22.

      ADDITIONAL SOURCE – link to jewsagainstzionism.com

  15. W.Jones
    April 9, 2012, 12:42 pm

    Win Ben Stein’s Mind, by Roger Ebert
    link to blogs.suntimes.com

  16. Justice Please
    April 9, 2012, 4:22 pm

    So much is wrong here.

    1., Iran would never attack Israel with its so far imagined nuclear bomb, because Israel HAS 300 OF THEM!! Ever heard of nuclear deterrence, Mr. Stein?

    2., No Iranian leader has “explicitly promised to wipe Israel off the map”. Some of them have talked about how the Zionist occupying regime will outlive itself, yes. But
    that is totally NOT “promising to wipe Israel off the map”.

    link to washingtonpost.com

    Mr. Steins intellect is not capable of seperating propaganda from facts, it seems.

    3., he writes “Basically, the world did nothing to save them…”

    Well, did YOU do anything to save the children in Fallujah or Gaza from being killed by white phosphourous? No? Then shut up about what you think others should have done 75 years ago.

    • Shingo
      April 9, 2012, 9:24 pm

      Mr. Steins intellect is not capable of seperating propaganda from facts, it seems.

      It’s worse than that. There is o lie to egregious for Stein to repeat. He called Ron Paul and anti Semite for suggesting we were lied into war with Iraq, even though Paul made no mention of Jews, Israel or even the neocons.

      The guys is a lying piece of filth.

    • Kathleen
      April 9, 2012, 10:10 pm

      In Boulder Colorado visiting family. The 64th Conference on World Affairs happens to coincide with my trip. Have attended this conference before. Attended several of the panel discussions today. But this one was the most interesting that I attended:
      link to colorado.edu

      1711 AL SMITH MEMORIAL SESSION From Fukushima to Tehran: Terror of the Atom

      3:00-4:20 on Monday April 9, 2012
      UMC 235
      Panelists:
      o Joe Cirincione
      o Heather Hurlburt
      o Robert G. Kaufman

      o Moderator: Paul Gordon

      All three of the panelist basically were on the same page about Iran having a nuclear weapons program. So there was basically a bit of a disagreement on sanctions (Cirincione) vs attacking Iran (Kaufman). Heather Hulberts argument was focused on why should one country have nuclear weapons and another not. Joe Cirincione did say that Iran does not have nuclear weapons. But again basically the conversation started on the assumption that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. I was able to ask a question about Iran being a signatory of the NPT and having the right to enrich uranium up to 20%. Also brought up that the Leveretts,(mentioned this website) as well as former weapons inspector Robert Kelly have said that much of the information in the recent IAEa report on Iran was information that former head of the IAEA El Baradei would not let into the report when he was director because it could not be verified and that Amano had let it in to the lates report. Kaufman went off on some tangent about how most intelligence can not be adequately verified But repeated that he thought negotiations with Iran had been exhausted (all 15 minutes of negotiations..my add) Cirincione said it was a good question but that he believed the latest report was on target. Nut did say that the report was misleadiog by inferring that the Iranian plan in 2003 has been continued which he said it has not.

      Heather Hulbert ended this talk by saying that she agreed with both on the above pointa.

      Talk about lack of diveristy of opinion on a panel. All basically coming from that Iran has a nuclear weapons plan Did the Leveretts, Prof Cole, former weapons inspector Robert Kelly get invited to be on this panel? Doubt it

  17. dbroncos
    April 9, 2012, 11:07 pm

    “Basically, the world did nothing to save them…”

    So a war in which over 60 million were killed in the fight to save Europe and Russia from fascist Germany and, in Churchill’s words, “a new dark age made more sinister and protracted by the likes of perverted science”, amounted to doing nothing? That’s insulting. Putting an end to Germany’s nationalism gone mad included putting an end to Hitler’s extermination camps. Could more have been done, or could things have been done differently? Of course. There are millions of people who wish things had been done differently. Before they died, the “alligator ant people” of Nagasaki and Hiroshima may too have wondered why things hadn’t been done diferently.

    • Fredblogs
      April 10, 2012, 2:34 pm

      I didn’t say they did nothing. I said they did nothing to save them. A point I have made elsewhere in here is that no one puts in the effort to stop genocide unless the genocidal party is a direct threat to them. Rwanda, the Sudan, the Armenian genocide, the Kurds. History says loud and clear, as long as you are prepared to sit quietly in your own country and mass murder your minorities, nobody gives a rat’s ass. Oh, they’ll mouth pious platitudes, maybe put up some ineffective sanctions, but boots on the ground, forget it. The only genocide ever stopped by someone without a direct threat was in the former Yugoslavia.

      • Dan Crowther
        April 10, 2012, 3:23 pm

        Well Freddy “they” did very little to save themselves. And that is where I think most of the anger from zionists comes from – you cant fathom (nor can I) how millions were herded into ghettos and then rail cars with very little resistance on the whole. And you hate being associated with it, so you go super macho man in regards to Palestine.

      • CigarGod
        April 10, 2012, 5:32 pm

        Can’t argue with that. It is our nature.

      • mig
        April 10, 2012, 4:05 pm

        And how would they have saved ? Extermination started in 1942, when war was in its 3rd year going.

    • Kathleen
      April 11, 2012, 1:53 am

      Hey you get it straight only 6 million Jews were brutally slaughtered in WWII. No one else.

      Drives me nuts in our MSM how for decades only the 6 million Jews who brutally perished from Hitlers killing machine are mentioned.

  18. W.Jones
    April 10, 2012, 12:42 pm

    The commentary… has generated more than 300 comments on the CBS site.

    Hmmm….

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  19. dbroncos
    April 10, 2012, 6:28 pm

    The comments on the CBS site are encouraging. There’s much angst expressed over the “…did nothing to save them” nonsense. One woman was incensed that CBS would broadcast such a load of propaganda on Easter Sunday morning. She said it was as if the network had “pissed on her pancakes.” Others mentioned the plight of Palestinians. Much of it reads like a MW comments section and this is what makes Zionists so anxious – they’re losing the American public.

  20. thetumta
    April 10, 2012, 9:13 pm

    I’ll bet you, Iran gets nuked to save the Zionist endeavor in the short term? Egypt will be next as Syria will go with Iran and be gone. Just 10 days too late.

    You think the Western press will let you know? A German Nobel prize winner can not get his poems published here accurately. How hard will it be to use numerous small nuclear weapons and hide it from you? It’s always worked so far?

    The Zionists are the supreme ethnic psychopaths. Generations of ethnic paranoia and the empires that have played it so profitably. Ask Uri Averny, if you can get to his article? Uri Avnery’s Column,“Pour Out Your Wrath!” 06/04/12 . Read it for yourself….

    Hej!

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