Last month a poll showed that 62 percent of American Jews plan to vote for Obama, down significantly from the 78 percent who said they voted for him in '08. This decline is one reason Obama's White House site has a whole Jewish pander page. Mitt Romney obviously feels that he can take more Jewish voters from Obama-- and more important, Jewish donors.
The battle is now joined by Rabbi David Nesenoff, the impish rightwinger whose interview with Helen Thomas about Palestine on the White House lawn in 2010 led to her resignation. Nesenoff has a new video up called "Politics and Pastrami" that purports to expose anti-Obama attitudes among older Jews sitting in two New York delis. What the rabbi calls the "pre-viral advance copy of the video" is above.
Nesenoff interviews 13 people who express anti-Obama attitudes. Some of their views are hateful-- anti-Arab, and suggesting that Obama is a secret Muslim. All but two of the interviewees are north of 50 by the looks of it; and I share the rabbi's belief that these people's attitudes are representative of their deli-going cohort, or somewhat anyway (as Max Blumenthal's seminal Feeling the Hate video captured the real attitudes of young American Jewish goers to Jerusalem drinking deep from the Zionist cisterns).
Though judge for yourself, but that guy with the brown curly hair and glasses seems to me a complete ringer, one of Nesenoff's hasbara pals. Here are some of the attitudes expressed:
I'm an Obama supporter... I'm very concerned.
Last time I voted for Obama and I am not going to vote for him again.
[Ringer guy says this] Jews are always liberal, we believe in the rights of everybody, but at some point you have to like, take a stand on what's right for your people.
I may not vote for him again.
Our friend in the White House is not strong enough on the right side for Israel.
He's certainly not strong behind Israel.
[Ringer] The speech in Cairo was a disgrace to the presidency... His whole attitude toward the Muslim world has been overly kind.
Obama's not going to do the right thing and make a strong move [on Iran]
I don't think he's truly behind Israel at all...
He comes from Chicago, from a very confusing background... It's still not known.
Bowing his head to the king of Saudi Arabia...Also hugging the Turkish prime minister, who is anti-Israel!
Let him go visit Jerusalem.
If you win land under attack, then it's your land.
He falsely believes that Israel can return to the 1967 borders.
Being that he is so much pro Muslim, I am very much anti-him now.
Deep down he's got a larger agenda.
People who are really pro-Israel cannot vote for Obama
David Nesenoff informs me by email that the two delis are in Long Island: Ben's Deli in Woodbury, NY, and Zan's Deli, in Lake Grove, NY.
He also says that my belief that the interviewees are cherrypicked is wrong:
Perhaps you think Helen Thomas was also in on it...
Your supposition concerning the "setup" is incorrect and it is insulting as well. The piece was a documentary of real people and it was not a scripted narrative...
I guess you watched the video and just can't believe or even conceive of the concept that there are Jews who voted for Obama and now have some remorse. You can't believe it to the point that you need to question my integrity.
Oy Vey.
Apparently American Jews might choose the US president
because of his stance on issues of foreign policy.
Horrible.
RE: “Apparently American Jews might choose the US president because of his stance on issues of foreign policy.” ~ OlegR
REPLY: Yes, the more rabid Likudniks in the U.S. are going to vote overwhelmingly for Romney, and then many of them will continue voting for the GOP in future elections. Right-wing Jews and Christian fundamentalists will make up the core of the Republican party for quite some time to come.
“Some people” might say ‘good riddance’!
SEE: Brooklyn cong’l slugfest is no-holds-barred (except for one issue of course), by Philip Weiss, 9/12/11
SOURCE – link to mondoweiss.net
P.S. RE: “In ‘The Hill’, Rebecca Vilkomerson says the me-too-ism of the two candidates on Israel shows the poverty of our political discourse: At least Turner’s positions on Israel are consistent with his Tea Party politics. David Weprin, the Democratic hopeful, is generally liberal – except that his positions on Israel are virtually indistinguishable from Turner’s. . .”
MY COMMENT: So at least in regards to positions on Israel, George Wallace was incredibly prescient when he said in 1968: “There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican parties.”
“Right-wing Jews and Christian fundamentalists will make up the core of the Republican party for quite some time to come.”
No. Right-wing Jews are too small a part of the population to make up the core of anything.
I wouldn’t call 38% (1 – 62%) a small minority.
Been happenning for decades. So called “liberal” Jews who have and continue to take a radical right wing turn when it comes to a greater Israel. Support Israel no matter how many un resolutions how many international treaties they are in violation of.
Again, nonsense. Most liberal Jews support a two-state solution.
Pander all you want, Obama – the Israel-firsters will never support you no matter far you bed over and whose ass you kiss. It is delusional on his part to think that he can assure victory by continuing on his current course.
Frankly, with all the hype about his intelligence, re has demonstrated a remarkable lack of intellectual curiosity to chart out a new strategy for political victory when a very viable one is within his grasp.
Go to the nation, obama, and expose all the Israel-firsters and Israel itself. Americans will rally to you in droves if you do that, and that monumental and historic event could have your face carved on Mt. Rushmore por posterity.
For once, ignore your advisors and the sayanim that surround you and be the leader that everyone had hoped you would be.
sorry for all the typos. I got distracted by a phone call before the time to edit ran out.
yes!
But on the other hand Obama may pick up votes from people who are fed up with the obsequious, bended knee attitude to demagogic thugs like Baby N and his plans for endless wars.
There is an excellent article by Gordon Duff at VT today:
link to veteranstoday.com
I smell rƎVO⅃ution in the air…
well, not everybody if what’s right for your people is no rights for millions of palestinians.
someone should send Nesenoff that comic where netanyahu screws obama in outer space after eating all his limbs. i couldn’t find the link..does anyone have it?
“The hater in the sky”, by Eli Valley, +972 Blog, May 14, 2012
LINK – link to 972mag.com
thank you dickerson..now i found it on MW, not sure why i couldn’t before
link to mondoweiss.net
Wow, I’m not sure whether that is deliberately invoking the blood libel or just doing it accidentally.
Wow, I’m not sure whether you’re deliberately inviking monumenral idiocy or just doing it accidentally.
“[Ringer guy says this] Jews are always liberal, we believe in the rights of everybody, but at some point you have to like, take a stand on what’s right for your people.”
And who are this Americans guy’s “people”? Americans, perhaps?
RE: “Feeling the hate in Long Island” ~ Weiss
MY COMMENT: Forget it
JakePhil. It’sChinatownLong Island.FROM WIKIPEDIA [Pamela Geller]:
SOURCE – link to en.wikipedia.org
I know you can’t possibly be condemning all of Long Island because Pam Geller was born there…
FROM WIKIPEDIA [Peter T. King]:
SOURCE – link to en.wikipedia.org
P.S. Did I mention that Long Island is shaped like a phallus?
P.P.S. LONG ISLAND IN BETTER DAYS:
Grey Gardens, 1975, PG, 94 minutes
Documentary pioneers the Maysles brothers (Gimme Shelter) capture poignant moments in the lives of Jackie O’s quirky relatives — Edith Bouvier Beale, aka Big Edie, and her middle-aged daughter, Little Edie — at their decaying estate, Grey Gardens. The ladies shut out their bleak present by recalling richer times and lost loves, and while Little Edie confides that she’d like to leave, the camera captures an enduring co-dependency.
Netflix availability: DVD
Netflix listing – link to movies.netflix.com
IMdB – link to imdb.com
Wikipedia – link to en.wikipedia.org
• ON You Tube: Grey Gardens (VIDEO, 1:35:03) – link to youtube.com
P.S. I don’t mean to pick a favorite, but Big Edie was definitely “the cat’s meow”! Quite the bawdy senior citizen.
“Did I mention that Long Island is shaped like a phallus?”
Awh now you’re being dicky!
MORE DICKEY: “What’s the Matter with
KansasLong Island?”P.S. Living in Georgia, I am very thankful for having places like Kansas and Long Island to make fun of!
P.P.S. A HILARIOUS FILM: Love and Death on Long Island trailer (VIDEO, 02:19) – link to youtube.com
P.P.P.S. Since Woody Allen made a career partly out of making fun of New Jersey, it’s only fair that I should be allowed to make fun of Long Island! My living in Georgia is no reason that I should be limited to making fun of Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and possibly Arkansas.
David Nesenoff informs me by email that the two delis are in Long Island: Ben’s Deli in Woodbury, NY, and Zan’s Deli, in Lake Grove, NY.
He also says that my belief that the interviewees are cherrypicked is wrong:
Cherrypicked? Of course, not. A kosher deli in Long Island is exactly where I’d go, if I wanted to know what real Jews think about B. Hussein O. The real question is why do you hate pastrami so much, Phil?
Nitrates, Shmuel, Nitrates!
Nitrates shmitrates, Phil. One bite and they’ll have you singing Hatikva. Or maybe you’re afraid you might run into David Nesenoff. I hear Helen Thomas has completely sworn off deli.
i loooove pastrami. lots of mustard!
You Americans have an appalling attitude towards food.
I know i know i am generalizing but really
just look at this.
link to ted.com
- “You Americans have an appalling attitude towards food.” – Oleg
That may be true. But what’s the point of kosher food? Is it health?
No, it isn’t. I asked a rabbi about it, ‘what’s the point of kosher food?’
His answer was: ‘ We don’t want the Jews to socialise with the gentiles over dinner, even drink wine together. That may end in intermarriage.’
He wasn’t joking.
“His answer was: ‘ We don’t want the Jews to socialise with the gentiles …”
That’s the way to win friends and influence people.
I’d like to add a couple of more things on the Jewish concept of kosher food and socialising with the gentiles.
1. Dostojewsky writes that in Russian jails, the Jewish inmates refused to eat at the same table with the goy inmates.
2. The Jewish criminales in jails in the German/French Rheinland around 1800 had their kosher food supplied by their relatives.
3. In an old age home in Frankfurt today that has both German and Jewish residents, the Jews are told by their rabbi to leave their kosher food on their trays when they sit at the same table with the Germans.
What’s the point of all this?- Isn’t it obvious?
institutionalized racism
“We don’t want the Jews to socialise with the gentiles over dinner, even drink wine together. That may end in intermarriage”
He’s right – I went out to 25 cent oyster night and wound up marrying a Christian……. Damned. Should have went to pastrami night instead.
“You Americans have an appalling attitude towards food.”
Yeah, we eat poorly and your countrymen are evil theives and murderers. I can see why you’d condemn us.
Since it was a kosher Deli on Long Island, Phil might as well have chosen the headline: ‘Feeding the hate in Long Island’
Might be cherry picked, might not be cherry picked. We all know there are a certain % of Jews who do base their vote on Israel. It couldn’t be any more out in the open than the ex NY Mayor Koch for example urging Jews to teach Obama a lesson on Israel by voting for a Repub. Then of course you have AIPAC who tells the Jews that US domestic issues aren’t as important as Israel.
A MESSAGE FROM AIPAC
- – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - -
There is too much at stake for domestic issues to be the only thing on the minds
of our leaders in Congress.
That is why as new leaders are elected to head to Washington this fall, we must
ensure that from day one they are ready to tackle all of today’s pressing
challenges, from the growing threat of a nuclear Iran to the peace process and
more.
Dear Friend of Israel,
I have no way of knowing who you will vote for this fall. I don’t know whether
you’ll vote Democrat, Republican or Independent.
But one thing I am confident in is this:
You want every leader you elect to share your support for a strong U.S. – Israel
friendship, because helping ensure Israel’s security is just as important as any
other issue this election.
That’s why I’m writing to ask you to make a choice now that will be as important
as the one you will make this November — joining AIPAC. Join now and help us
work with our current leaders in Washington as well as with the 113th Congress to
make Israel more secure by ensuring American support remains strong.
As you likely know, this election will surely bring many new faces to Congress –
most of whom will be brand new to the issues our community cares most about.
From the rising threat of a nuclear Iran to the Palestinians continued refusal to
abandon their harmful U.N. campaign and return to peace negotiations with Israel,
we must be ready to work with all members of the new Congress to tackle these and
other challenges that lie ahead.
Every single voice will count. And there is no better way to make your voice
count than by joining AIPAC.
That’s because AIPAC and its members work with Congress on more than 100
legislative and policy initiatives annually. We are the only organization who
meets with all 535 members of Congress and White House officials on a regular
basis to ensure American support for Israel is always a top foreign policy
priority.
And when important legislation reaches the House and Senate floor, only AIPAC has the resources to mobilize our community around legislation that can affect the
Jewish state.’
The real problem, as I see it, is that our political/media structure accepts and promotes views like those of the deli patrons as mainstream and reasonable, while if you contribute to a Palestinian agency working with the victims of Israel’s recent aggressions, you’re portrayed as a terrorist sympathizer.
- “If you win land under attack, then it’s your land.”
That’s the strongest argument and historically it’s true. But you win the land including the people.
not true in the case of indonesia’s takeover of east timor.
I don’t know if I can establish a link here in what I’am about to say but I’ve been watching comments on a lot of news sites about the Fla. Trevor Martin shooting.
The level of racism among whites is shocking, they are paying no atteniton to the facts, just the white, hispanic, black element, and the incident is spilling over into ranting about immigration and other issues . I think we are seeing the rise of some Anglo Tribalism….the idea that they are now the put-upon ones in America and entitled groups and minorities are getting special treatment at their expense.
Some of the commenters expressing this attitude are ones whose discussions I have noticed on other issues and would never have guessed they had this attitude.
I know this has existed among some, mostly conservatives, who think the country is going to hell in a handbag because of multiculturalism, but it seems to be getting bigger and more wide spread in the general public.
We see this same opinion in the comments about Israel, that America’s welfare is being ignored for a special group and a foreign country.
A lot of this is all mixed in with blaming the ‘elites’, politicians, the minorities, immigrants, in Israel’s case, the Jews and so forth.
I don’t know if we will see the rise of Anglo tribalism or nationalism like we are seeing in some European countries or not but there are definite stirrings out there in the public among people of more liberal persuasions you wouldn’t necessarily expect it from.
The danger is they do have some valid points in their complaints…the country is totally out of whack and there is no common good ideology so the conditions could give rise to more ethnic or national tribalism among the majority.
nothing that couldn’t be countered effectively by a popular movement to bring about meaningful progressive change.
“I think we are seeing the rise of some Anglo Tribalism….the idea that they are now the put-upon ones in America and entitled groups and minorities are getting special treatment at their expense.”
After watching the US both from outside and inside for more than 56 years, I can see how they would get that idea. The baleful influence of “identity politics”, the continual emphasis on white guilt, and similar developments do not seem calculated to make the average American ex-worker (fired because of the economic disasters of recent years) feel comfortably at home in his country.
This is not to say that the idea is correct, but I do find it understandable that people would hold it.
“The danger is they do have some valid points in their complaints”
But is anyone sensible actually prepared to deal with those issues? It seems to me that the Republican party wants to exploit that discontent for electoral purposes, but will not actually do anything practical to help. They will just continue funnelling huge sums of money into the pockets of the rich.
” It seems to me that the Republican party wants to exploit that discontent for electoral purposes, but will not actually do anything practical to help. “…… RoHa
I think both parties do that. The repubs play to their ‘niches’ and the Dems play to their niches…..such is identity politics.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen the Dems do anything other than funnel huge sums of money into the pockets of rich with a very slightly different set of excuses.
Last year was the first year whites were not the majority of all babies born in the USA. And there are many places the USA where whites have been the minority for awhile now. That itself might give rise to white ethnic paranoia and resentment as the politicians keep right on speaking over their heads about special minority needs?
Not a single one of them mentioned Obama’s reported dislike for Bibi – and vice versa. Which leads me to believe that this is where the dip the in poll numbers comes from – if the Israeli PM doesnt like you, neither do we – lets not forget how much of this anybody-but-obama propaganda gets its sign off from GOI. These people think what they are told to think, they’ll change when the propaganda changes.
I dont know if O survives – it is sure to be a unbelievably vicious campaign, and we all know the right does vicious a whole lot better; they are “fired up…..ready to go!” And heres the kicker – Occupy didnt start on Bush’s watch, it started three years into Obama’s term, thats gold for the right. Say what you want about the Republicans craziness, the loons in the tea party, etc etc., they dont need you to vote for them, they just need to deflate the opposing candidate, the lower the turn out the better. I see every opportunity for that method to work against Obama.
I couldn’t vote for Romney and I wouldn’t vote for Obama . The whole system is rotten and both are in denial about the failure of the US system since the collapse of the neoliberal experiment.
“… cherrypicked”.
You mean cherry-tomato picked, right?
Oh boy what a mess the zioz are in: so anxious, so angry, so frustrated with our generous help – for them, never enough help we give israel – NEVER! So I encourage you zionists out there to kick up a real big fuss ’bout this. Get yerselves some bigass megaphones and tell Americans what a buncha meanies to israel they’re being. I beg all you zionists please DO MAKE israel an election issue oh please just carry on with your israel-first ungrateful bigotry – go tell everyone about it – let it be filmed – let it go viral on steriods man!
The real joke though, is that whether it’s Barak or Romney in the WH, American zionism is fucked anyway – thank you internet and regrettably, a salty thank you to a bad USA economy. Listen, if we go to war with Iran, israeli-firsters are gonna create millions of anti-israel Americans overnight. And if we don’t go to war, they’re gonna be eating Iranian shorts. Whoah – talk about being stuck between a rock and a stink-bomb!
I love it!
Everything is perfect and right on time.
Stop it! Your unapologetic optimism is very contagious! You are a severe hazard to complacency! Next you will be asking us to turn off the TV and get off our couch! Have you no shame?
LOL…..I love you Taxi.
There are other reasons to vote against Obama besides Israel. I’ll probably vote for him, but his use of an executive order to foist ACTA (a treaty about copyrights) on the U.S. makes me hesitant to support him.
ACTA (a treaty about copyrights) on the U.S. makes me hesitant to support him.
of course! because copyrights are your passion which is why you hang out on copyright blogs day in and day out!
I have a life outside of you Annie.
It’s not so much copyrights in particular as that the President is trying to make an end run around a Constitutional limitation on his rightful powers. The Constitution vests power over intellectual property with the Congress, not the President. That makes a copyright agreement an unconstitutional subject for an executive order. Any international agreement in Congress’s bailiwick has to be ratified as a treaty by a 2/3 vote by the Senate (or as various other things that all require some form of congressional approval).
Regardless of how much I approve of Obama’s programs, or disapprove of Romney, this is a usurpation of power that is disturbing.
I’m surprised that you mention Obama and copyright but not that Obama have given himself permission to kill American citizens without any sort of due process or judicial oversight.
Isn’t that rather more pressing?!?
Until someone is in the hands of the government, it is the executive branch’s perogative to kill them if they are dangerous and can’t be captured safely. Obama has given permission to kill only when they are dangerous, in foreign countries, _and_ cannot be captured safely. We have a capture or kill list, not a kill list.
It is no different than giving police permission to shoot to kill an armed suspect who won’t surrender. Think the hostage taker who gets killed in America by a police sniper gets due process or judicial oversight?
If they want due process they are free to surrender peacefully.
“Until someone is in the hands of the government, it is the executive branch’s perogative to kill them if they are dangerous and can’t be captured safely. ”
No, it isn’t.
Please show me the part of the US constitution which says that.
Why am I not surprised that a zionist doesn’t believe in one of the fundamental tenets of western liberal democracy – “innocent until proven guilty”?
I suppose you’re also in favour of governments holding political prisoners (ie. administrative detention)…?
The American father of the American cleric in Yemen who was murdered by the American government petitioned for due process for his son *before* the assassination – and that was rejected.
There was no surrender option.
@cloakanddagger
Sure. Right after you show me the part of the U.S. Constitution that says abortion is ok. Not everything is explicit, it’s not that long a document.
@Sumud
Of course there was a surrender option, he could have turned himself in at any U.S. embassy in the Middle East any time he wanted.
One of my favorite legal doctrines, the “fugitive disentitlement doctrine” says that you get no say in court if you are a fugitive.
“Innocent until proven guilty” applies to court. Not to dangerous fugitives who make themselves safer to kill than to capture. If he wanted due process, he should have turned himself in.
As for administrative detention, not without judicial review, and not for political reasons. Israel has judicial review and imprisons terrorists, not purely political figures.
Fredblogs, did you crib from the old Nazi court opinions and verdicts? You sound the same.
He made videos. Very dangerous!!!
>> Until someone is in the hands of the government, it is the executive branch’s perogative to kill them if they are dangerous and can’t be captured safely. … If they want due process they are free to surrender peacefully.
Likewise, then, foreign nations have a right:
- to place onto their own “capture or kill” lists any Americans and Israelis they consider to be dangerous; and
- to assassinate any of these dangerous people who fail to surrender peacefully or who are in foreign countries and can’t be safely captured.
“If he wanted due process, he should have turned himself in.”
Fascist, he was entitled to due process regardless of whether he turned himself in or not, because the requriement of providing due process is both a right of an individual and a limitation on the acts of the government.
I would not be so dismissive about ACTA. In Poland there were demonstrations when the government tried to legislate enforcement act for something similar (the government quickly folded) and in Germany we have now Pirate Party. Perhaps in USA we have a similar contingent of Pirate Jews.
And a host of other reasons why Jews will not vote for Obama make some sense.
What is most puzzling, if you read all these explanations, is where 62% of Obama supporter come from. A commenter in JPost conjectured that they are all insane, but it still begs a reason. Clearly, we need another video.
One clue is that many arguments against Obama are strangely reversible. “Deep down he has a larger agenda”. I want my President to have a very small agenda. Romney, my perfect candidate, seems to have no agenda whatsoever! Or not.
you’re right piotr, i shouldn’t have left the impression i was dismissing acta. i’m familiar with the pirate party, a blogging friend of mine i traveled in europe with was a swedish pirate politician, in the legislature there as i recall.
it was more a reflection of fred’s comment.
Do not take me seriously on that. Pirate Jews would explain part of 38%, but I am not sure if Romney is a credible Pirate candidate. My main point is that there exists a host of issues on which GOP scares Messiah out of Jews. For example, starting a war with Iran may have dire consequences for Israel, and in general, dispensing with diplomacy in Muslim world can have dire consequences for Israel. Or you may believe in evolution, or climate change, or some regulation in banking system or health care.
piotr, so which belief is warranted that allows a young Jew born in USA to steal home and land from a native who’s family lived there for centuries?
By the way, “on an island” or “in an island”? I though that the second form is incorrect, although I could be influenced by my mother tongue where there is a strong distinction between “in” and “on”, and “in island” is not only incorrect but also a tongue twister (no pronouns are used, so “on the island” and “on an island” is the same).
In any case, could mondoweiss.com send an intrepid reporter to Long Island and investigate “small family owned pizzerias” which, according to Wiki, is the most frequent type of food establishment over there? Perhaps the reporter will find some of the 62% Jews there? One could also compare if more Halachic plain or mushroom pizza has any relationship to political views, compared with positively non-kosher pepperoni and meat balls pizza.
piotr, it’s definitely “on an island”. But the western half of Long Island has become so urbanised it’s become a place, just another suburban extension of New York over a narrow waterway. Anyway, that’s no doubt how Phil remembers it from when he last looked down on it from Manhattan. Hence his use of “in Long Island”. But once Phil gets as far east as the Hamptons, I’m sure he feels he’s “on Long Island”.
Piotr,
It’s like in Russian, and I assume Polish- the geographic location is “on”, like “on a mountain”, “on a hill”, “on an island.”
The political location is “in”, like “in Mount Holly”, “in Cherry Hill” (south New Jersey).
Don’t you have the same thing in Polish?
Paying football “on” a field (“polye”)
Living “in” a country (eg. Poland)
By the way, in English you can say “in a field” or “on a field”. :)
But if you say “in a mountain” or “in an island”, it means underground. Yes, it’s confusing.
Polish is perhaps less regular than Russian, I could live “in Poland” and “on Ukraine”, “on Malta”, “on Cuba”, “on Island”, but “in Ireland”, “in Great Britain”. More puzzling, “on village”, “in town”. Good example for “in island”:
“In insula Creta mirus labyrinthus erat, in quo includebatur Minotaurus monstrum capite bovis et humano corpore.”
Uhh. Where was the hate again? I think I missed something.
um the bit where being kind to Muslims (of course occupying their nations and slaughtering people from the sky by remote seems an odd definition of kind) is considered enoough of a reason not to vote for Obama.
Presumably your Islamophobia is so deeply ingrained that you barely notice it in others.
If 62% of J.voters are going for Obama, then a movie showing only anti-obama discussions by them is misrepresentative.
You want to feel the hate? Have a look how settlers and their supporters have overwhelmed the comments section on this video documenting yesterday’s shooting of a Palestinian villager in the head by a settler thug! Whadyya know? Settlers are the poor victims only defending themselves against barbaric stone throwers who set fire themselves to their own fields!
link to youtube.com
Thanks, TGIA. The clip is embedded at the Haaretz site (Hebrew edition only) – link to haaretz.co.il – and can also be watched here, without signing in to Youtube: link to youtube.com
Note how the settlers and the soldiers advance together.
As my dad said, “if the guy has a gun throw a stone at him”. No, wait, he said “just hand over your wallet, it’s not worth dying over”.
Kids, no matter how right you think you are, don’t throw a rock at a guy with a gun.
Pretty basic safety tip.
As my dad said, “if the guy has a gun throw a stone at him”. No, wait, he said “just hand over your wallet, it’s not worth dying over”.
Not a bad analogy, Fred.
“He comes from Chicago, from a very confusing background… It’s still not known.”
I always wondered what was wrong with me–good to know it’s just my Chicago background!
I have a Chicago background too; it’s no excuse for anything.
It is not a majority, but a plurality of American Jews who define themselves as liberal. Consistently in AJC polls, those who define as liberals are in the 40 percents and those who define as conservative are less. A bare majority of Jews are registered Democrats and around 15% are registered Republican. Which leaves from around 1/4 to 1/3 of Jewish Americans who could be swing voters, sometimes for Democrats sometimes Republicans. If these deli customers are not already Republicans, they could be easily swung to vote that way in the fall.
A bad side of coleslaw might be all it takes.
I’m feeling the heartburn.
“(as Max Blumenthal’s seminal Feeling the Hate video captured the real attitudes of young American Jewish goers to Jerusalem drinking deep from the Zionist cisterns).
There is zero evidence that Max did anything but interview a bunch of drunk college students. Pick a narrative, Phil. Young Jewish Americans are either less pro-Israel than their parents or they are not.
but hop you would agree that the percentage of drunk jewish college students who go to israel is a tiny fraction of the drunk israel-distancing whole, right? i am gonna have this both ways!
I’d like to see a poll of the other 98% of Americans, the youth portion–does anyone think, absent such a poll (when it will come, only 98%?) that they are Israel Firsters? That they think giving a blank $ and diplomatic check to Israel is beneficial to them or to humanity? Interesting that nobody has done such a poll. 98% of American youth doesn’t appear to count towards anything? Isn’t there something wrong with this picture?
“What are you rebelling against?”
“What do you have?”
If anyone has a clue about this aspect of US young culture, please respond. We don’t need a young Marlon Brando to deliver the line. (And how many American geezers know what geezer Brando thought about Israeli conduct and US participation therein?)
“I’d like to see a poll of the other 98% of Americans, the youth portion–does anyone think, absent such a poll (when it will come, only 98%?) that they are Israel Firsters? ”
People who support a strong US-Israel relationship are not Israel-firsters anymore than people who support a Palestinian state and continued aid to Palestine are Palestine-firsters. Most Americans, across the board, are apathetic.
People who support a Palestinian state or of a completely different context. They are supporting the formation of and the struggle for Palestinian self-determination, civil rights, liberation and freedom.
Supporting Israel in the vein if the term of “Israel-Firster” could adequately be described as supportive of Israel’s continued settlement project and discrimination against its Arab minority. And all the rest.
Your bag of tricks is running low it seems. You’re down to lame false dichotomies and equivocations.
I agree, hophmi, most average Americans could care less about Israel, and this despite the major headlock Zionists have on US news media, not to mention what Dick and Jane do not know, which is that Israel is the biggest bum off US charity in all of US history.
LOL. I don’t think the views of the kids in Max’s video reflect the views of the majority of young Jews in the US. Neither do the kids from Young, Jewish, and Proud. They are two extremes. Most young Jews favor the two-state solution and oppose settlements. They are not for a one-state solution, binational or otherwise.
Really, where’s the survey results that substantiates your statements hoppy?
hophmi, if the 98% 0f young non-Jews in USA ever get a clue about Israel’s conduct, justice and fair play might actually mean something on a high level.