Killing Without Consequence: New campaign challenges Israeli impunity

Israel/Palestine

Killing Without Consequence is a new campaign calling on the Israeli government to bring criminal charges against Maxim Vinogradov, the border police officer who killed Ziad Jilani after a routine traffic accident on his way home from Friday prayers at the Al Aqsa Mosque. Jilani’s case, which Mondoweiss covered extensively at the time, is being used to raise the larger issue of indiscriminate Israeli violence against Palestinians and the need for accountability.

From the Killing Without Consequence website:

Ziad Jilani was a dedicated, loving father and husband who was murdered by Maxim Vinogradov, a member of the Israeli border police, because he got in a small car accident.

His death reveals how at any moment, a Palestinian can be randomly killed, labeled as a terrorist and have their death dismissed.

Since the beginning of the second Intifada at least 6,444 Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli security forces.

During this time no Jewish Israeli soldier has been charged with murder for killing a Palestinian.

We are working to hold Israeli soldiers accountable for their actions to prevent more senseless deaths.

The video above features interviews with lawyer Michael Sfard, attorney Hassan Tabajah and journalist Amira Hass and shares startling new information about Vinogradov, including incriminating comments he made over Facebook and other social media sites which reveal a deeply racist and violent worldview.

From Facebook:

translated facebook
(Image: Killing Without Consequence)

And an Israeli social network (translated from Hebrew):

Favorite food: Arabs

Things that you love to do: To hit, violence, love

Hobbies: Hitting and destroying things

Favorite sports: Undocumented Arab Workers

What turns me on: Violence

I belong to: Extreme Right

Things I am looking for: Red Headed Arabs

The campaign has started a petition calling on State Prosecutor Yehuda Weinstein to bring charges against Vinogradov. It reads:

To State Prosecutor Yehuda Weinstein:

On the 11th of June 2010 Ziad Jilani was extra judicially executed by
a Border Patrol policeman, Maxim Vinogradov. Though the investigation
found much evidence to that effect, Police Interior Interrogations
(“Machash”) declared the case closed for lack of evidence and your
predecessor State Prosecutor, Menachem Mazuz, upheld their decision.

As you know, on January 4th of this year, Ziad’s widow and 3 daughters
submitted an appeal to the Israeli Supreme Court, through the
al-Mazaan Center for Human Rights, demanding that you, as state
prosecutor, end this travesty of justice and bring criminal charges
against Ziad Jillani’s killers, Maxim Vinogradov and
Shadi Heir Al Din, for murder or manslaughter and Negligent Homicide,
respectively.

As a supporter of justice and human rights, I support this appeal, and
add my voice to a growing number of people, who are concerned by the
message that the closing of this case sends to Israeli soldiers and
that would like to see justice for Ziad Jilani.

In addition, there will be a memorial for Jilani held in front of the Israeli Consulate in New York City on June 11, the 2nd anniversary of his death.

You can sign the petition and learn more about the campaign at killingwithoutconsequence.com.

About Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  1. Woody Tanaka
    May 18, 2012, 9:56 am

    I believe that prosecution will never happen. These people simply believe that the Palestinians have no rights which a Jewish soldier needs to recognize.

    • American
      May 18, 2012, 11:17 am

      I don’t think so either.
      It’s not just Palestines that they think have no rights,….they believe ‘only they’ have rights.
      A friend of mine once told me (about something else) that I was trying talk ethics to someone that didn’t have any.
      You can’t instill any kind of ethics or morality in people who don’t have any nugget of it to begin with.
      Can’t be done. You can contain them or destroy them, but you can’t change them.

      • Woody Tanaka
        May 18, 2012, 11:36 am

        “You can contain them or destroy them, but you can’t change them.”

        I hope you’re wrong about this.

      • American
        May 18, 2012, 5:55 pm

        They were no repentant Nazis at Nuremberg.
        Their only regret was they lost.

      • AllenBee
        May 18, 2012, 12:50 pm

        that’s a scary thing to say, American. It sounds a lot like what American congressmen & a raft of think tankers say about ‘Islamofascists’ and Iranians.
        We have to be better than that.
        But it is difficult to walk a fine line when facts that point to specific bad actors and the pattern of their acts, are censored.

      • American
        May 18, 2012, 5:49 pm

        There are some people you can’t change…..be they Islamofacist or zionist or some other fanatic.
        What are you going to do with them to cure their psycho mentalities?…give them group therapy? Get them to agree to go some facility to be un- brain washed? Spend 20 years trying to so call “democratize” them?
        And we’re talking about the urgency of time here also….how long do your suppose, if it were even possible, it would take to change them?
        What do you suggest is the proper treatment to change Israeli zionist for instance?
        More tender loving care?

      • Mooser
        May 18, 2012, 6:42 pm

        “There are some people you can’t change…..be they Islamofacist…”

        Oh there’s no point in arguing about that. As long as you believe there is an Islamofacism, and that there are Islamofacists, and willing to believe it on their say-so, the Islamophobics are satisfied.
        What if those “Islamofacists” just turned out to be oppressed people, who have had it up to here, and are sick of it?

      • CloakAndDagger
        May 18, 2012, 10:15 pm

        “Islamofascist” is an oxymoron.

      • American
        May 18, 2012, 10:44 pm

        I don’t use Islamfacist to describe oppressed Muslims…I used it to say any group can have or be fanatics. Use Taliban if you want, the ones who cut off women’s noses and ears as punishment.

      • AllenBee
        May 18, 2012, 11:29 pm

        cheer up, American.
        Israel is selling drones all over the place. Maybe Taliban will buy some and kill people that way instead of the barbarity of cutting off their noses & ears.

        which, incidentally, is a punishment used by the British & settlers at Massachusetts Bay colony. But then they got religion. And technology. Now THEY use drones.

  2. Daniel Rich
    May 18, 2012, 10:51 am

    ‘It’s under investigation.’ Been there a zillion times. However, when reading comments all over the web about Israel, I do see a huge change in people’s perspective of the state and it’s not a favorable one at all. This immature arrogance and spite is backfiring big time. Onward to the promised land… yey!

  3. seethelight
    May 18, 2012, 11:17 am

    Rightfully, there ought to be scores of Killing Without Consequences campaigns against Israeli soldiers, police and settlers.

    • Woody Tanaka
      May 18, 2012, 11:38 am

      I agree. If I were as ruthless and evil as Zionism, I would say that all the nations of the world should arrest and hold any Israel within its borders until such time that the person could prove they were not guilty of any crime. Preventative detention, you know.

      • Talkback
        May 18, 2012, 12:26 pm

        How about a blockade and making 60% of Israel food insecure? For security reasons Israel-style, you know.

      • Woody Tanaka
        May 18, 2012, 12:42 pm

        It would be just desserts for sure. I could not wish for such a thing, myself, because it would punish innocent people along with the guilty. Like I said, I’m not ruthless like that.

      • Blake
        May 18, 2012, 12:57 pm

        Reverse psychology. Loving it.

      • piotr
        May 18, 2012, 1:38 pm

        That would cause a humanitarian crisis, and thus should be avoided and can be avoided. IDF already developed a procedure how to do it.

        1) Embargo all raw materials for food industry (flour, animal feed, fertilizer, fuel etc.) so the affected region cannot substitute the imported allowed products.

        2) Compile a list of sufficient products for a healthy complete diet. Review if there is a well tasting item that can be removed. Remove and repeat.

        3) Write a program that produces a sufficient list of items from the list in a random way. Apply the program every week.

        4) Develop a ridicuously expensive method of inspecting cargoes. E.g. every ship with food product for Israel has to be inspected in Odessa, Ukraine, items not allowed in the given week removed, then escorted to Port Said, items not allowed in that week removed (if the new list is issued), then trucked to Taba crossing and waiting for the final inspections.

        5) Regulate the allowed volume of goods to be sufficient for caloric and other dietary needs of the population assuming frugality.

        For example, allowed diet of the week could consist of millet, navy beans, saltines, onions and frozen raspberries (it is important to add a touch of humor).

    • Daniel Rich
      May 18, 2012, 5:11 pm

      @ seethelight,

      I just realized that being critical also entails to having to be just and fair. Although I’m uber-critical of the State of Israel’s wrongdoings, I have to be/remain honest and see what the west is doing for what it is as well. We’re a Fff-ing arrogant lot that loves to police the planet and have no homeys and only care about our [own] hood. Our drones kill without consequences, without justice, without everything I stand for and believe in as a human being, so Fff all that. Fff Israel and Fff us too.

  4. chris o
    May 18, 2012, 11:19 am

    Thanks for the update/info.

  5. Annie Robbins
    May 18, 2012, 11:56 am

    the original post has been updated to include information exposed in the video about the racist nature of the killer. i recommend reviewing the updates and watching the video.

    initially i assumed the video would just be a review of information we’ve covered before, that is not the case.

  6. Blake
    May 18, 2012, 12:01 pm

    One rule for the locals and another for the squatters …er settlers

    • Citizen
      May 18, 2012, 4:41 pm

      See, Blake, there is an ethic at work. I’m surprised some here don’t think so. The ethic is a bipolar one. It divides humans into us and them, gives lots of rights to us, as individuals, and lesser rights for all individuals comprising the Other. Sound familiar? I don’t think Chris Hedges made it perfectly clear that he was confusing this erroneous translation of The Enlightenment with the actual first premises of The Enlightenment. His “dark side of The Enlightenment” may be explained in this way, rather than, as he does, advocating logic itself is faulty. It’s all about the first premise. Even Kant could not escape his own lack of full implementation of Enlightenment principles in his own lifetime. His critique of eating the apple applies to his own critique of The Enlightenment. This does not mean ipso facto that original sin is real unless you want to fault God as a mere animal too.

      • Blake
        May 20, 2012, 9:05 am

        Yep us and them only the them in this case can hardly be described as humane.

  7. proudzionist777
    May 18, 2012, 1:04 pm

    Is there an echo in here?

  8. Fredblogs
    May 18, 2012, 1:08 pm

    I remember this one. “Minor traffic accident” is a bit of an odd way to describe an incident in which a hit and run driver ran over two border patrolmen while they were running a checkpoint. Then ran when called upon to surrender and was shot while fleeing.

    I’ll grant you that with full knowledge of who the guy was and hindsight, it looks like this was a misunderstanding by a guy who had a genuine accident then panicked and fled rather than deliberately ran down the border patrolmen, but from their point of view a guy just ran some of them over, drove off, and ran when called on to surrender. Of course they thought it was a deliberate act of terrorism and acted to stop what they thought was a terrorist from getting away.

    Considering that any time a Palestinian gets hit by an Israeli driver this site calls it a deliberate murder, I don’t see what your problem is in this case.

    • Mooser
      May 18, 2012, 6:48 pm

      Fred, you never tire of making excuses for Zionism’s actions, do you. Why don’t you make up an all purpose excuse, have it ready, with blank spots ready to be filled in with the particulars? You know, like Mad Libs for Zionists and Israel-firsters.

    • Mooser
      May 18, 2012, 6:52 pm

      “I don’t see what your problem is in this case.”

      Than what the hell are you doing here? Phil is a fantasist, a compulsive liar who invents characters and entire trips (Bill M and the trip to Israel) and the rest of the time we are all complaining about incidents which can be easily explained.

      But you can’t find another website to go to? At any rate, I’m sure Mondo appreciates your “hits” which drive up their stats.

      Don’t forget to either excoriate or scream for the moderators to come to your aid Fred. Consistency is important.

      • Fredblogs
        May 18, 2012, 9:21 pm

        I’m here in case I see something that doesn’t seem justifiable or at least understandable after inspection. Also in an attempt to see that both sides get heard and this place doesn’t turn entirely into an echo chamber,

      • Mooser
        May 18, 2012, 11:45 pm

        “I’m here in case I see something that doesn’t seem justifiable or at least understandable after inspection. Also in an attempt to see that both sides get heard and this place doesn’t turn entirely into an echo chamber.

        Anotherwords, you’ve come to squat, hoping to take the place over. Oh well, I guess you can’t help emulating your heroes. Go “anathemise”(sic) yourself.

      • Mooser
        May 18, 2012, 11:49 pm

        “after inspection.”

        Just amazing how fast you can do that “inspection” and get here with the ‘facts’! Why, it takes no time at all!

      • Blake
        May 19, 2012, 9:57 am

        Fred: I am here to find out from you zionistas what your legal, moral and ethical right to be in Palestine at the native indigenous peoples’ expense. I have addressed this question to you on at least 2 previous occasions (seeing as you always have so much to say trying to polish your turd) and still waiting. Humor me please.

    • OlegR
      May 19, 2012, 8:54 am

      /Of course they thought it was a deliberate act of terrorism and acted to stop what they thought was a terrorist from getting away./

      Given the facts that running over terrorist attack though not common do
      happen i can understand clearly their actions:

      Here is a list of running over terrorist attacks just from the recent years:

      July 2, 2008: exceptional attack, the terrorist was a resident of Sur Baher on bike shovel (“shovel”) and raced 500 meters along Jaffa Road in Jerusalem, while conflicting, trampling, crushing and makes of vehicles using the shovel. The attack lasted about five minutes, and ended when a passing off-duty soldier shot dead a terrorist. terrorist run over and killed three people and injuring about 70 people. [9] [10]

      22 July 2008 using a backhoe knocking down attack took place in Jerusalem, near Liberty Bell Park. 24 people were wounded. The terrorist was shot by a bystander and a Border Police officer. [11]

      September 22 2008 attacks: running over Jerusalem. Terrorist driving a private car ran over a group of soldiers and IDF Square passersby. Terrorist was shot dead by the same group’s executive officer. [12]

      December 27, 2008: in a construction vehicle attack – Tur in East Jerusalem. A young Arab man was watching the police car ran over and injured a policeman came out of her. The attack was carried on in the IDF during Operation Cast Lead in Gaza. [13]

      5 March 2009: overriding attack near the Malha shopping mall in Jerusalem. Modes used to scoop terrorist police car hit and injured two policemen who were easy to her. A policeman and a civilian at the scene shot the terrorist, who died shortly thereafter. [14]

      April 18, 2009: attack knocking down near Hizma checkpoint in northern Jerusalem, two policemen were slightly injured and medium. The terrorist was apprehended and admitted that he intended to harm them. [15]

      June 11, 2010: attack knocking down the Wadi Joz neighborhood in East Jerusalem. Arab driver ran over four Border Guard officers and wounding them lightly to moderately. Terrorist was shot dead. [16] This is the incident this article
      talks about

      May 15, 2011: suspicion whole village rampage in Tel – Aviv. Resident of Kafr Qasem raced wildly in his truck Haim Bar-Lev Avenue in the city, killing one person, injuring many people, and caused great damage vehicle – vehicle and infrastructure. After the rampage and hit a civilian by a traffic light parts, taken over by civilians and he was arrested, taken for interrogation and was indicted for murder. [17] The attack was carried out on the morning of the Nakba.

      29 August 2011: Palestinians resident of Qalqiliya took a taxi at knifepoint in South Tel Aviv and went to the club with the artist 17. Bomber sped toward a checkpoint in the nearby club for attack alerts and roughed them up in there, then began to stab the wounded and the people who were outside the club, shouting “Allahu Akbar”. Eight people were injured in the incident, including a border policeman very difficult situation (his condition stabilized after that) and two policemen in fair condition. [18] [19]

      This is google translate work so i apologize for the awful English

      • Talkback
        May 19, 2012, 9:46 am

        “Here is a list of running over terrorist attacks just from the recent years:”

        Listing Jewish terrorist attacks might bring the Mondoweiss site down. How about a map about settler violence:

        West Bank : Settler Violence Incidents Map in 2011
        http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_settler_violence_map_april_2012_english.pdf

        Given the fact that “Over 90% of monitored complaints regarding settler violence filed by Palestinians with the Israeli police in recent years have been closed without indictment. (Yesh Din)” (same link) what action of Palestinians could you “understand clearly”?

      • OlegR
        May 19, 2012, 12:27 pm

        The argument “but you started it” as diversion tactic.
        Or is it a justification ?

        From your own link

        /In 2011, three Palestinians were killed and 183 injured by Israeli �
        settlers. In addition, one Palestinian was killed, and 125 others
        injured, by Israeli soldiers during clashes between Israeli settlers
        .and Palestinians
        In 2011, eight Israeli settlers were killed and another 37 were �
        injured by Palestinians/

        I assume the 3 Fogel family children are among those 8 settlers?

      • Talkback
        May 20, 2012, 6:44 am

        “The argument “but you started it” as diversion tactic.”

        That is not my argument.

        “Or is it a justification ?”

        It was you who wrote “i can understand clearly their actions”.

        “I assume the 3 Fogel family children are among those 8 settlers?”

        Yes.

        Again: Given the fact that “Over 90% of monitored complaints regarding settler violence filed by Palestinians with the Israeli police in recent years have been closed without indictment. (Yesh Din)” (same link) what action of Palestinians could you “understand clearly”?

      • JamieT
        May 20, 2012, 6:55 am

        The problem, Oleg, is that all Palestinian violence is classified as terrorism and all violent Palestinians are classified as terrorists. Some of the incidents you listed resulted in a couple of injuries, and they become some part of an evil conspiracy against the state of Israel.

        Meanwhile, you justify the gross abuse of power by the IDF by bringing in just enough context to create the atmosphere of fear. Where’s the context for all the Palestinian ‘terrorism’ you mentioned?

      • sardelapasti
        May 21, 2012, 1:44 am

        Where is the “terrorism” there? The occupied people have a fundamental right to any action they consider fit to fight the invader. And all of “Israel” is an occupation, in war against the invaded owners of the place. If the Nazis had massively settled “civilians” in France, Greece or Albania do you think they would have enjoyed immunity?

        “This is google translate work so i apologize for the awful English”
        Don’t apologize, just go back to Russia asap. You personally weren’t born in Palestine and your immigration is illegitimate.

  9. Kathleen
    May 18, 2012, 1:46 pm

    thanks

  10. piotr
    May 18, 2012, 8:42 pm

    http://original.antiwar.com/richard-silverstein/2012/04/27/ziad-jilani-a-kill-shot-in-wadi-joz/

    It was murder. Richard Silverstein:

    The police, possibly because there had been several incidents in which Palestinians had driven cars or heavy equipment into Israeli Jewish crowds in acts of terror, began firing at Ziad’s vehicle. In the process, they wounded a small Palestinian girl sitting in a parked car nearby.

    Shortly after the shooting began, Jilani turned his truck into an alley near where a cousin lived. The alley was a dead end from which there was no escape. Emerging from the vehicle, he was shot twice by the police, once in the arm and once in the lower back. He fell to the ground on his stomach and lay motionless, seriously wounded, though still alive.

    At least two officers approached him and according to their own testimony and the autopsy, one fired at least two shots point blank (from between one and three feet) into his head. According to eyewitnesses, the killer then kicked Ziad’s body but never inspected it to determine whether the victim might’ve worn a suicide vest. [suspicion of suicide vest was the claimed reason for the killing]

    ——–

    By the way, Jilani was a small businessman and he was returning home after meeting with his Jewish business partner who claims that gave him few thousands shekels, about 1000 dollars, that vanished from the car during the police search.

    ——–

    Of course, this version of the event comes from Palestinian witnesses. But ballistic and forensic evidence should be available to determine the sequence of shots and the distance from which they were fired. There is simply no humane justification for executing someone by shooting back of the head from point blank range.

    • OlegR
      May 19, 2012, 9:08 am

      /here is simply no humane justification for executing someone by shooting back of the head from point blank range./

      Sure there is if you suspect the guy is still dangerous
      and making that kind of decision while your adrenaline levels are sky high and you are scared is not easy as any policemen can tell you.
      Not sure how i would have responded to such circumstances but i can’t rule out
      that i would have shot the guy just like Vinogradov did.

      Here is a good example.

      http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2010-06-18/story/glynn-county-police-shoot-woman-who-tried-run-them-down-after-slow

      • Talkback
        May 19, 2012, 9:41 am

        “Not sure how i would have responded to such circumstances but i can’t rule out that i would have shot the guy just like Vinogradov did.”

        Of course only as a victim of high adrenaline levels and fear induced by “the guy”, because you could never be a perpetrator, right?

      • Annie Robbins
        May 19, 2012, 9:45 am

        can’t rule out that he wouldn’t walk up to a man on the ground, shot in the back, and pump bullets directly into his brain.

      • Talkback
        May 19, 2012, 9:52 am

        @ Annie

        … including the compensation of defense expenditures and promotion to a higher rank of the most moral army of the world.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_Darweesh_Al_Hams#Compensation_and_promotion_to_rank_of_major

      • OlegR
        May 19, 2012, 9:56 am

        Because i don’t know how i would have reacted to
        high adrenaline levels and the stress that comes with that sort
        of point blank situation.Never been in that situation and i hope i never will
        be.

        Sitting comfortably in the safety of your home and talking about
        morality is all nice and well but when you feel you are in the field and something happens morality is not the first thing that goes on in your head.
        You act according to your training which says ,seek contact and neutralize the target and make sure it is neutralized before you do anything else.

        This is a military doctrine that i am sighting it should differ from the police
        training that Border Guards receive.

        Obviously i consider myself to be a moral man who wouldn’t hurt another
        human being without due provocation but that’s beside the point
        most people consider themselves to be moral and decent.
        I doubt many people look in the mirror and think “what a terrible monster i am”

      • OlegR
        May 19, 2012, 10:00 am

        Does it surprise you Annie,
        do you think i should have lied and said “no way i would ever do something like that”.

        Try this Annie
        Put yourself in those Border Police men shoes and imagine your own responses to the situation.Try and be honest like i did.

        PS.
        What did you think about the video of Policemen that i gave
        Their behavior and etc.

      • eljay
        May 19, 2012, 10:03 am

        >> Obviously i consider myself to be a moral man …

        As does every Zio-supremacist.

      • Shingo
        May 19, 2012, 10:04 am

        Because i don’t know how i would have reacted to high adrenaline levels and the stress that comes with that sort of point blank situation.

        That situation exists because of the illegal, immoral and inhumane occupation and land theft polcies of Israel.

        Obviously i consider myself to be a moral man who wouldn’t hurt another human being without due provocation

        Or unless he was a goy living on a plot of land you had your eye on right?

      • Annie Robbins
        May 19, 2012, 10:22 am

        including the compensation of defense expenditures and promotion

        gruesome

      • Annie Robbins
        May 19, 2012, 10:35 am

        oleg, what do i think of it? i think you are threadjacking and i think you are desperate. i don’t agree w/the conclusions of the authorities in the link you provided and i can understand why you are diverting. i also did not see an officer walk up to her and shoot a bullet into her brain, execution style.

        you are doing what you always do, voraciously posting excuse after excuse, clogging thread after thread.

        wouldn’t hurt another
        human being without due provocation but that’s beside the point
        most people consider themselves to be moral and decent.

        bla bla bla, how can you even talk about moral and decent when the article describes a man who wrote this:

        Favorite food: Arabs

        i waste my time every time i read your comments or respond to you. waste of my time. moral? how dare you even mention moral in the context of this murder.

      • OlegR
        May 19, 2012, 12:35 pm

        You are not being a good sport Annie.
        But never mind.
        Still, try putting yourself in other people shoes from time to time
        You can try with those US policemen if you can’t do that with Israelis.

      • talknic
        May 19, 2012, 1:55 pm

        “i consider myself to be a moral man who wouldn’t hurt another human being without due provocation “

        That’s odd Fred, you’re here busy justifying the illegal acquisition of Palestinian territory and anything Israel does to anyone who gets in the way of the Greater Israel project.

        Now please, list the Palestinian ‘provocation’ committed by today’s Palestinians pre – 1897. That is when the Zionist Federation, who were not from Palestine or in Palestine, decided to colonize Palestine. Pre the Balfour Declaration, pre the LoN Mandate for Palestine, pre the Holocaust which was over 65 years ago and in which Palestinians of today took absolutely no part.

        The Zionist Federation colonization project however, hasn’t stopped. It continues long after we were given territory, completely FREE, for a Jewish state. TODAY, Palestinians are being dispossessed in their own territory by Israel’s refusal to abide by the UN Charter and International Law.

        BTW it’s interesting to note Herzl never lived in the region, although in his life time he could have immigrated and bought land and settled anywhere in Palestine. Now he’s buried in Palestine, “outside the State of Israel”

      • Talkback
        May 19, 2012, 8:04 pm

        @ OlegR

        “Because i don’t know how i would have reacted to
        high adrenaline levels and the stress that comes with that sort
        of point blank situation.”

        What I’ve learned from you today is:

        It is justified to shoot Jews in the back of the head from point blank range, if one thinks they act suspicous and this produces fear, high adrenaline or stress.

        Thank you, OlegR.

      • justicewillprevail
        May 19, 2012, 9:47 am

        Of course you can always fabricate a reason/justification afterwards, so what Oleg? The point is that the law is biased in its statutes and its application. Israelis can shoot to kill Palestinians without fear of consequence. Making flimsy excuses after the fact doesn’t change the apartheid, selective use of laws according to what clan the perpetrator and victim belong to. There is no democracy without equality under the law.

      • eljay
        May 19, 2012, 9:47 am

        >> Here is a good example.

        After a slow-speed chase, a car is hemmed in between two cruisers. When the woman – who refuses to get out of the car – moves her vehicle forward a few inches, she’s shot dead.

        If that, to you, is “a good example” of a justifiable police homicide, you are more f*cked up than I imagined.

      • OlegR
        May 19, 2012, 10:06 am

        This is an example of how policemen react to similar circumstances in the US.They were not indited nor prosecuted afaik.

        The woman did not die according to the article i also provided
        but was wounded to the head.Though the policemen were shooting to kill obviously.
        Read the article.

      • eljay
        May 19, 2012, 3:29 pm

        >> The woman did not die according to the article i also provided but was wounded to the head.

        I stand corrected.

        >> Though the policemen were shooting to kill obviously.

        Their failure must be disappointing.

      • eljay
        May 19, 2012, 9:55 am

        >> Sure there is if you suspect the guy is still dangerous …

        …and not a Jew. Can’t forget that important caveat.

      • OlegR
        May 19, 2012, 10:07 am

        I doubt they checked his ID before they shot him
        or had a conversation to make sure he was an Arab.

      • tree
        May 19, 2012, 3:43 pm

        I doubt they checked his ID before they shot him
        or had a conversation to make sure he was an Arab.

        All the had to do to know his ethnicity was look at his license plate, which would be the first thing a police officer would do after witnessing a hit and run accident.

      • Shmuel
        May 19, 2012, 4:01 pm

        All the had to do to know his ethnicity was look at his license plate

        As a Jerusalem resident, Jilani would have had ordinary, Israeli plates (yellow), but considering the location and the circumstances (as well as many other clues a Kyrgyz immigrant may or may not have gotten, but his Druze commander certainly would have), I find it highly unlikely that there was any doubt that Jilani was a Palestinian.

        There are a few serious problems with the entire case, including:

        First of all, the practice of “confirming a kill” has been documented and criticised in Israel before – especially in the Border Police.

        Second, the conflicting and modified testimonies (before and after the exhumation was ordered), including the idea that Vinogradov was concerned with the safety of Palestinian bystanders and/or was afraid that Jilani was wearing a bomb, so he got really close to him and shot him at point blank range.

        And third (and this is a procedure that has been criticised by the right as well as the left), the investigation was carried out by the Justice Ministry’s Department for Investigation of Police (made up of police officers “on loan” to the ministry, who then return to the force), which almost never indicts and generally closes cases “for lack of evidence”.

      • OlegR
        May 19, 2012, 5:26 pm

        /I find it highly unlikely that there was any doubt that Jilani was a Palestinian./
        The whole thing happened fast i doubt that a lot did cross
        their minds at the time besides פיגוע פיגוע
        and the auto response to it.

        And you are right here Shmuel this is not a clear cut case
        in favor of the Border Police
        but it’s also far from being a clear cut case against their actions.
        That is what i tried to convey here.

      • Shmuel
        May 19, 2012, 5:48 pm

        i doubt that a lot did cross their minds at the time besides פיגוע פיגוע

        Which means they were operating on the assumption that Jilani was a Palestinian (just to get your ID comment out of the way).

        I have little doubt that up until the moment he was killed, Vinogradov and his commander were convinced that Jilani had hit the policemen intentionally – or פיגוע פיגוע, as you say.

        The real question is why he was shot dead after he was already on the ground: fear of a perceived threat or summary execution? Despite some indications that the latter may (notice the conditional) indeed have been the case, I do not believe any serious investigation has been carried out.

        The headline is “Killing with Impunity”. I think that is an accurate description of the case. If a policeman kills a suspect and is not seriously investigated, then he has killed (although not necessarily murdered) without consequence, and that is very grave indeed.

      • OlegR
        May 19, 2012, 7:19 pm

        This what i found regarding the investigation. This is Amira Hess’s
        article in Haaretz.

        /Vinogradov was questioned three times by the Police Investigations Unit. The second questioning was after the reenactment. The third, in March 2011, came after the family appealed against the closing of the case and after their lawyers had reported some of his online statements, including one he wrote on Facebook on October 18, 2009: “Death to the Arabs. I’m irritable.”/

        So the family requests were not ignored by authorities.

        /The investigators from the PIU took testimony from two Palestinian eyewitnesses, but only on June 28 and 30. The unit said that in the immediate aftermath of the incident, neighborhood residents refused to speak to them. The Meezaan lawyers found witnesses and urged them to testify to the PIU. Nevertheless, relates Meezaan attorney Hassan Tabajah, two of the witnesses continued to refuse for fear of retaliation from the authorities./

        /The Justice Ministry responded that since the matter is awaiting a hearing in the High Court of Justice, it cannot discuss the claims. The ministry spokesman sent the state’s March 19 response to the petition. It contains a request to postpone a response by two months because the State Prosecutor’s Office has asked to “re-examine its position” regarding a criminal indictment./

        From what i can see the legal proceedings in this case still
        continue via the Bagatz rout even though the PIU decided to close investigation due to lack of guilt.

        /I do not believe any serious investigation has been carried out./
        Personally i don’t have enough knowledge into the case or how such investigations are/should be carried out to make
        this sort of conclusion.I can see from the article that it was investigated.

        I will wait and see what Bagatz decides on the matter and go with that
        which ever way it swings.

      • imanjilani
        May 20, 2012, 2:09 am

        Just to let you know we had to initiate every investigation, the Israeli government did not initiate any of these investigations without us providing the evidence first. We kept going back to the court each time they dismissed it and they had no choice but to go back and question Maxim since he lied and changed his testimony several times.
        My question to you is if they really thought he was a terrorist why did they let the people take the body away to burry him? Why did Maxim and Shadi lie in the first testimony? They thought they could get away with it since they know that no Muslim would exhume a body for autopsy. The day that we decided to exhume the body for an autopsy to prove he was shot in point blank range lying on the floor, Maxim and Shadi decided to change their testimony.
        I want to know what you would do if you were in a traffic jam and stopped and then your windshield gets hit with a stone from demonstrators? Would you stay there as a sitting duck or will you try to move to the empty lane to get away from the stones? As he was trying to get out of the situation he did brush into soldiers but as they were telling him to stop they started shooting everywhere not giving him the chance to surrender. The witnesses indicated the shooting and yelling started right away and Ziad tried to get away from gun fire. If he wanted to run away he would have not gone to where my uncle lives. The shooting was random and several people got injured. When Ziad started running toward my uncle’s house he got shot in the back and he dropped face down on the floor. At that time witnesses indicated that the commander Shadi saw Maxim go toward Ziad and told him not to shoot but Maxim did not obey and went to where Ziad was, he stepped on his neck and shot him in the face twice. If they were worried that he was a suicide bomber why would Maxim go towards Ziad? Wouldn’t you stay away and shoot from far to make sure he had no vest?. Maxim was just thirsty for Arab blood. He wanted to act up on his promise with his friend to kill all Turks and Arabs.
        This horrible event left three girls fatherless and a widow. Not to mention his sick mother who used to depend on him every morning to drink coffee with her and give her her medicine. My kids have never seen their uncle and only know him by pictures. Thanks to Maxim they will never know how much fun their uncle was and how much he loved them. All the kids loved Ziad, he made everybody’s world rock………
        All we are asking is justice to be served

      • Shmuel
        May 20, 2012, 2:57 am

        Thanks, Iman. What a terrible tragedy. May your struggle for justice spare other other families the pain you have suffered.

      • OlegR
        May 20, 2012, 5:50 am

        I am sorry for your loss Iman.
        The whole event strikes me as a terrible tragedy and a mistake.
        I can fully understand Ziad’s actions after he run over those borders guards
        but i can also understand their reaction.
        It’s like some terrible Greek play in which once set in motion all actors had almost no choice but to follow their roles to the end.

        I hope the High Court can make some sense out of it and if
        Vingoradov indeed acted in malice he should pay the price.

      • Talkback
        May 20, 2012, 6:48 am

        OlegR: “I can fully understand Ziad’s actions after he run over those borders guards but i can also understand their reaction.”

        Answer his question: “If they were worried that he was a suicide bomber why would Maxim go towards Ziad? Wouldn’t you stay away and shoot from far to make sure he had no vest?”

      • Blake
        May 20, 2012, 7:25 am

        Wow. Life has been so unfair on the Palestinian people. Put yourselves in their shoes.

      • seafoid
        June 12, 2012, 11:47 am

        Blake

        their shoes have been impounded by Israeli customs

      • piotr
        May 20, 2012, 2:58 pm

        Because I had some course on logic, I try to be precise. Hence I wrote “there is no humane justification” rather than “there is no justification”.

      • OlegR
        May 20, 2012, 5:09 pm

        Yes i noticed that though a bit later.
        Humane is not something that goes with any kind of application of
        lethal force.
        Maybe euthanasia
        of a mortally sick person in a lot of pain upon his request but that’s another topic entirely.

  11. stevelaudig
    May 19, 2012, 3:44 am

    I am left wondering how many slaveowners in the pre-civil war period US were ever charged with murdering their property and find the parallel both disturbing and unsurprising.

  12. Jilani family
    May 19, 2012, 10:05 am

    On June 11, 2010, my nieces lives were forever changed when their father, Ziad Jilani, was shot and killed in Israel by police/military in an area of Jerusalem. After what has been a harrowing time for my sister and nieces, there is a chance that the person who fired the fatal shots will escape any conviction for their actions; that Ziad’s life does not matter and can be dis-regarded. So I am writing to you on behalf of my nieces, and for all parentless children who have endured their loss, NO MORE. Ziad was college-educated, a humanitarian to all who he knew, and a person who prayed for a better world for his children. He was looking forward to taking his girls to dinner on June 11, 2010 – instead he was buried. This is his story and I implore you to watch the brief video of his life, their life and Ziad’s last moments alive: http://killingwithoutconsequence.com/

    In the second it took the soldier to shoot the last bullets – in the back and face of an unarmed man – he forever altered the life of my sister and her daughters. What world is this that this is ok? Most importantly I challenge everyone who reads this to say ‘NO MORE’. I just added my name to the petition Israeli State Prosecutor: Bring Criminal Charges against Ziad Jilani’s Killer, Maxim Vinogradov on Change.org. Please consider adding your name as well. May 21, 2012 is the day that will decide if Ziad’s killer will be brought to justice.
    http://www.change.org/petitions/israeli-state-prosecutor-bring-criminal-charges-against-ziad-jilani-s-killer-maxim-vinogradov?share_source=flash-widget_em

    Thank you

    • Annie Robbins
      May 19, 2012, 12:18 pm

      i just saw this comment. my heart goes out to the entire Jilani family. of course i signed the petition. may 21st is this monday. you are all in my prayers.

  13. Basilio
    June 12, 2012, 11:07 am

    Let’s be honest. There’s no difference between some Israelis on the extreme right and some who served Nazi Germany and had certain ideas of race. The guy did not see the Arabs as human at all. The Palestinians are indigenous to the land, and they were born there. Maxim was not. He came to the land and immigrated or made Aliyah and decided that he was following some kind of God that tells him Arabs need to be eliminated from the land, and people like him are protected in Israel in the same way white cops were protected all the time in the South when blacks were killed by corrupt white cops. Yet, the US supports this Jim Crowe like state so happily. It’s sickening.

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