Israeli navy attacks international observers off the coast of Gaza

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An Israeli warship approaching the CPSGaza boat Olivia. (Photo: Ruqaya Izzedien)

The Civil Peace Service Gaza (CPSGAZA) sent out the following press release yesterday:

At 8:40am,  on Wednesday, June 13th, 2012, an Israeli warship attacked international observers, a journalist and the Palestinian captain of the Civil Peace Service Gaza (CPSGAZA) boat Oliva, in an attempt to harm the crew members and threaten them with arrest.

“We were behind the buoy that Israel put out at sea to mark the three mile limit and they attacked us with heavy water cannons for half an hour, chasing us towards the northen nautical border, ” said Rosa Schiano, an Italian observer. “Then they accused us of crossing the border, when they had forcibly chased us in that direction. “

The Oliva was near one fishing boat within three nautical miles of the shore when an Israeli warship drew closer and began circling around the boat, chasing it towards Gaza’s north coast. The warship soon attacked the Oliva with a water cannon, causing the boat to fill up with water. The crew stated that they did not pose any danger and asked the warship to stop firing water. A soldier replied: “Shut up”.

The warship ordered the Oliva to shut down its motor, and its crew to stand in the front of the boat. When they asked whether they were being arrested, a soldier replied: “We’ll take all of you”. Finally, radio commanders decided alternately and the Oliva and its crew were allowed to sail away. “This is your last warning. Next time we won’t be as nice, if you know what I mean”, a soldier added as the Oliva prepared to leave.

While the Oliva was under attack, the CPSGAZA land team observed the Israeli navy simultaneously attacking Palestinian fishermen west of the Gaza Seaport. The fishermen were targeted by live gunfire and wake washed.

The Institute for Middle East Understanding just published the following fact sheet on the legality of the Gaza blockade:

  • In September 2011, the UN released the so-called Palmer Report on Israel’s attack against the Freedom Flotilla in May 2010. The report deemed Israel’s blockade legal, however it was widely considered to be a politicized whitewash and contained the crucial caveat that “its conclusions can not be considered definitive in either fact or law.”
  • Also in September 2011, shortly after the Palmer Report was released, an independent UN panel of experts released a report concluding that Israel’s blockade of Gaza does indeed violate international law, stating that it amounts to collective punishment in “flagrant contravention of international human rights and humanitarian law.” In reference to Palmer, the independent experts wrote:

    ‘In pronouncing itself on the legality of the naval blockade, the Palmer Report does not recognize the naval blockade as an integral part of Israel’s closure policy towards Gaza which has a disproportionate impact on the human rights of civilians.’

  • Human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and the International Committee of the Red Cross also consider the blockade and siege to be acts of collective punishment that contravene international law.
  • A 2009 Amnesty International report following Operation Cast Lead, Israel’s devastating military assault on Gaza in the winter of 2008-9, stated:

    ‘The prolonged blockade of Gaza, which had already been in place for some 18 months before the current fighting began, amounts to collective punishment of its entire population.

    ‘The Fourth Geneva Convention specifically prohibits collective punishment. Its Article 33 provides: “No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.”’

  • A June 2010 statement issued by the International Committee of the Red Cross entitled “Gaza closure: not another year!” noted:

    ‘The whole of Gaza’s civilian population is being punished for acts for which they bear no responsibility. The closure therefore constitutes a collective punishment imposed in clear violation of Israel’s obligations under international humanitarian law.’

  • Also in June 2010, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay, condemned the blockade as a form of collective punishment against the civilian population of Gaza, stating: “I have consistently reported to member states that the blockade is illegal and must be lifted.”
  • In September 2010, a UN fact-finding mission into Israel’s attack on the Freedom Flotilla concluded:

    ‘The Mission considers that one of the principal motives behind the imposition of the blockade was a desire to punish the people of the Gaza Strip for having elected Hamas. The combination of this motive and the effect of the restrictions on the Gaza Strip leave no doubt that Israel’s actions and policies amount to collective punishment as defined by international law. In this connection, the Mission supports the findings of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Richard Falk, the report of the United Nations Fact-Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict and most recently the ICRC that the blockade amounts to collective punishment in violation of Israel’s obligations under international humanitarian law.’

  • According to a March 2011 UN report entitled “Easing the Blockade: Assessing the Humanitarian Impact on the Population of the Gaza Strip”:

    ‘International law does allow Israel to restrict the access of people and goods to and from Gaza for legitimate security concerns; however, when doing so, it must balance these concerns with the rights and needs of Gaza’s population. In any case, Israel must absolutely refrain from imposing restrictions that are detrimental to these rights and needs and are not strictly required by legitimate security needs. Policies and practices in contravention to this norm may amount to collective punishment, which is prohibited under any circumstances.

    ‘While the recent relaxation measures constituted a step in the right direction, to comply with the abovementioned legal obligations, Israel must fully lift the blockade.’

  • Israeli officials have admitted that the siege is not motivated primarily by security concerns, but is part of a strategy of “economic warfare” against the people of Gaza. In 2006, senior advisor to then-Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Dov Weisglass, said the goal of the Gaza siege was to put the 1.5 million people of Gaza “on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger.”
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  1. seafoid
    June 14, 2012, 10:12 am

    This is very impressive. Over 40 charities (none of them mainstream Jewish, bien sur) condemn the insanity of the Gaza siege

    Tweet now “Five years too long #EndgazaBlockade”

    link to aidajerusalem.org

    Fifty international charities and United Nations Agencies have unanimously called for the lifting of the blockade of Gaza. The organizations have published a simple three line statement to mark the fifth anniversary of the tightening of the blockade of the Strip. It reads:

    For over five years in Gaza, more than 1.6 million people have been under blockade in violation of international law. More than half of these people are children. We the undersigned say with one voice: “end the blockade now.”

    The international aid and development signatories include:
    1. Action Contre la Faim (ACH)
    2. Agency for Technical Cooperation and Development (Acted)
    3. American Friends Service Committee (AFSC)
    4. Amnesty International
    5. Broederlijk Delen
    6. CARE International
    7. CCFD-Terre Solidaire
    8. Christian Aid
    9. Christian Peacemaker Team
    10. Cordaid
    11. Danchurchaid
    12. Diakonia
    13. A Different Jewish Voice (Een Ander Joods Geluid)
    14. Emergency Water, Sanitation, and Hygiene (EWASH)
    15. Gruppo di Volontariato Civile (GVC)
    16. Handicap International
    17. Help Age International
    18. International Orthodox Christian Charities (IOCC)
    19. IKV Pax Christi
    20. International Learning Center
    21. Life for Relief and Development
    22. Medicos del Mundo – España (MDM Spain)
    23. Médecins du Monde France (MdM France)
    24. Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP)
    25. Medico International
    26. Movement for Peace (MPDL)
    27. Norwegian People’s Aid (NPA)
    28. Norwegian Church Aid (NCA)
    29. Norwegian Refugee Council (NRC)
    30. Oxfam
    31. Palestine Solidarity Association of Sweden
    32. Polish Humanitarian Action (PAH)
    33. Première Urgence – Aide Médicale Internationale
    34. Save the Children
    35. Secours Islamique France
    36. Swedish Organization for Individual Relief
    37. Terre des Hommes Italy (TdH Italy)
    38. Terre des Hommes Lausanne (TdH Suisse)
    39. Terre des Homme
    40. Trócaire
    41. The Carter Center
    42. United Nations Association International Service (UNAIS)
    43. War Child

    The United Nations signatories include:

    1. United Nations Humanitarian/Resident Coordinator, occupied Palestinian territory
    2. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR)
    3. United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF)
    4. United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA)
    5. United Nations Women
    6. World Health Organization (WHO)
    7. United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)

    The government of Israel is facing mounting international criticism for the Gaza blockade and this unanimous statement from some of the most world’s most respected international organizations is likely to increase pressure for the blockade to be lifted.

    • chet
      June 14, 2012, 7:10 pm

      An impressive list of signatories and opinions but the only one for which the Israelis have an iota of interest is the Palmer Report – the others are less than irrelevant.

      The only ‘signatory’ or opinion to which they would pay attention is that of Uncle Samuel (who seems to have abdicated all responsibility).

      • Hostage
        June 14, 2012, 10:23 pm

        the only one for which the Israelis have an iota of interest is the Palmer Report . . . . The only ‘signatory’ or opinion to which they would pay attention is that of Uncle Samuel (who seems to have abdicated all responsibility).

        The US engineered the unofficial Palmer report in order to make the formal reports from the international mandate holders, UN OHCHR and UN HRC, “disappear”. Anne Bayefsky spilled the beans about the Palmer inquiry before it ever got started. She complained about the implementation of the behind the scenes deal that led to its creation:

        August 2, Ban launched his investigation, which got off the ground only because the U.S. pressed Israel to agree, and Israel took American assurances seriously. U.S. ambassador to the UN Susan Rice spelled some of them out: “The United States expects that the Panel will…obviate the need for any overlapping international inquiries.” The overlapping inquiry of the Human Rights Council, she claimed, would go away.
        . . .
        Haaretz added that the Israeli government believed it had received assurances that “the review panel will not have the authority to subpoena witnesses, including Israel Defense Forces soldiers and officers.”
        . . .
        At bottom, it appears that the mandate of the panel is actually still up in the air. On Monday the secretary general’s spokesperson said, “it will be for the panel to decide exactly how they will operate and decide on what steps may need to be taken in order to obtain…information from the national authorities.” The secretary general’s office has refused to release a copy of the panel’s mandate

        The Palmer report noted that the members did not conduct thir own independent fact finding investigation. More importantly, the report noted that:

        No satisfactory explanation has been provided to the Panel by Israel for any of the nine deaths. Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel.

        The official UN reports did not suffer from those shortcomings.

      • seafoid
        June 15, 2012, 3:49 am

        Ultimately Israel will only have the US Congress behind it. And then Congress will shaft Israel. That is the way power works.

      • Talkback
        June 15, 2012, 8:51 am

        chet says: “An impressive list of signatories and opinions but the only one for which the Israelis have an iota of interest is the Palmer Report …”

        Understandable.

        “[The panel of the Palmer Report] was not acting as a Court and was not asked to adjudicate on legal liability. Its findings and recommendations are therefore not intended to attribute any legal responsibilities.” (Palmer Report)

    • seafoid
      June 14, 2012, 11:09 am

      It’s great to see all the charities coming together, Annie. Israel can control Ben Gurion airport but it doesn’t have the personnel to do the same with the twittosphere.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 14, 2012, 5:14 pm

        i know seafoid, it’s really great.thanks for the awesome comment. i was so excited to read it because i got a tweet yesterday about the hashtag to make it trend. as usual i was a little late, but not that late. then i noticed hrs later it was still active and now it seems to be growing ad rejuvenating.

  2. HarryLaw
    June 14, 2012, 11:07 am

    Adam, everybody knows Israel is in breach of International Laws and not just the ones mentioned here, but until the PA do something about it by getting Palestine recognised as a legitimate state at the UNGA and then on to the ICC nothing will happen, nothing. The US, in or out of election year will do nothing at the UNSC so people should save their breath, also there is no guarantee the ICC route will be successful politicised as it is, but to at least not try would be criminal, and it would confirm without doubt that Israel was indeed above International Law, I don’t think that will happen, but if it did a new strategy would be needed. So until we know the legal route is closed we can only observe.

    • ahadhaadam
      June 14, 2012, 12:15 pm

      the ICC ruled the Apartheid Wall illegal. So? UNGA can recognize Palestine. So? Those who are hoping that laws or letter writing campaigns are going to change anything are deluding themselves. These efforts are worthwhile but only on the PR level – to expose Israel’s Apartheid and violations. The only thing that can actually change things on the ground, and even that will take a long time, is BDS and a change of approach by PNA to drop claim for statehood and start a campaign for equal rights, i.e. one state solution.

      • Hostage
        June 14, 2012, 7:16 pm

        the ICC ruled the Apartheid Wall illegal. So?

        No the International Court of Justice is a UN organ. It provided an advisory opinion for the General Assembly in 2004 which held that Israel had violated its obligations under Article 49(6) of the 4th Geneva Convention. The ICJ statute is part of the UN Charter. It does not have the authority to exercise criminal jurisdiction over individuals who commit crimes.

        The International Criminal Court is a new entity with complementary criminal jurisdiction over violations of customary international law and the Geneva Conventions. It began prosecuting suspects for the first time in 2005, the same year that the Palestinian Civil Society organizations called for BDS. The jurisdiction of the Court can be triggered in four ways, but that didn’t happen until 2009, when the PA filed a declaration accepting the Court’s jurisdiction and a criminal complaint about Operation Cast Lead and other crimes committed since 2002 in Palestine. Israel and its supporters have managed to delay action by claiming that Palestine was not a state recognized by the UN, despite the fact that it was already recognized by most other existing states.

        Those who are hoping that laws or letter writing campaigns are going to change anything are deluding themselves. These efforts are worthwhile but only on the PR level – to expose Israel’s Apartheid and violations. The only thing that can actually change things on the ground, and even that will take a long time, is BDS and a change of approach by PNA to drop claim for statehood and start a campaign for equal rights, i.e. one state solution

        The SWAPO and ANC fought hard to get equal rights and an international convention that made apartheid a crime. But they did not get math challenged over a single state final solution.

        The Apartheid Convention was the first international agreement that called for the establishment of a permanent international criminal court that could prosecute the crime of apartheid. Unfortunately, the only tool available to Namibians and South Africans was informal grass roots BDS.

        BDS is actually just a PR campaign to take political action. The ICC is capable of applying formal criminal sanctions (the “S” in BDS) against Israeli officials. The Israelis have been ignoring political actions and political measures for decades. People who recommend an exclusive approach using more of the same tactics are suffering from a cult-like mentality.

      • Talkback
        June 15, 2012, 10:18 am

        Hostage says: “Israel and its supporters have managed to delay action by claiming that Palestine was not a state recognized by the UN, despite the fact that it was already recognized by most other existing states.”

        And the ICC used the same explanation as the Swiss Federal Council in 1989 when Palestine tried to ratify the Geneva Conventions and did not act “due to the uncertainty within the international community as to the existence or non-existence of a State of Palestine.”
        link to icrc.org
        link to icc-cpi.int

        In 1989 little less than half (85) of the UN members recognized Palestine. Today it’s more than two third and they represent more than three quarters of the world population.

      • Hostage
        June 15, 2012, 8:47 pm

        And the ICC used the same explanation as the Swiss Federal Council in 1989 when Palestine tried to ratify the Geneva Conventions and did not act “due to the uncertainty within the international community as to the existence or non-existence of a State of Palestine.”

        That’s actually false. The Prosecutor cited Summary of Practice of the Secretary‐General as Depositary of Multilateral Treaties, ST/LEG/7/Rev. 1, paras 81‐83 – which is not applicable to full state members of UN specialized agencies, including UNESCO.

        That same summary of practice explains that the Secretary General is legally bound to accept instruments of accession for multilateral treaties from state members of UN specialized agencies in accordance with Articles 81, and 83 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. For example, the Secretary General has already accepted an instrument of accession from the Cook Islands to become a member of the ICC. The Cook Islands is a full member of UNESCO, but it is neither a UN member state nor an observer state in the General Assembly.

        The Prosecutor said:

        In accordance with article 125, the Rome Statute is open to accession by “all States”, and any State seeking to become a Party to the Statute must deposit an instrument of accession with the Secretary‐General of the United Nations. In instances where it is controversial or unclear whether an applicant constitutes a “State”, it is the practice of the Secretary‐General to follow or seek the General Assembly’s directives on the matter. This is reflected in General Assembly resolutions which provide indications of whether an applicant is a “State”. Thus, competence for determining the term “State” within the meaning of article 12 rests, in the first instance, with the United Nations Secretary General who, in case of doubt, will defer to the guidance of General Assembly.

        link to icc-cpi.int

        The international legal community rapidly pointed out that there is no doubt that full member states of UN specialized agencies can file instruments of accession to treaties in accordance with the rules of customary treaty law reflected in the Vienna Convention. FYI, that also applies to Palestine’s accession to the Geneva Conventions and the Additional Protocols. The rules in the Vienna Convention apply to any treaty that serves as the constituent document of an international intergovernmental organization.

    • Theo
      June 14, 2012, 12:40 pm

      The present leaders of the palestinians will not rock the boat!!
      They are well fed, with large bank accounts outside Palestina, (Arafat had 50 million in swiss banks), and are bought by Israel a long time ago. I would not hold my breath, in my opinion nothing will happen until a younger, more radical group of politicians take over.

      All those organisation voicing their distrust of Israel is just as effective as Chamberlain´s visit to Hitler in Munich.
      Zionists are the same type of idiots as the nazis were, they both believe their superiority over other humans and ready to risk everything for their power.
      It will take much harsher steps to get the jews out of Palestine than indignant massages and sending boats to the border of Gaza to take pictures.
      Palestina declaring statehood, going to the UN and not backing down is the only way, as you say. Or sending our Air Forces to revenge the SS Liberty to repeat American´s feeling below.

      • talknic
        June 14, 2012, 3:09 pm

        Theo June 14, 2012 at 12:40 pm

        “They are well fed, with large bank accounts outside Palestina, (Arafat had 50 million in swiss banks), and are bought by Israel a long time ago”

        ///“In total, the Fund estimates, the amounts diverted from the official budget from 1995 until 2000, when the diversions stopped, may have exceeded $898m. IMF officials say $799m was returned to the PA, with the difference accounted for by investment losses………the bulk of the money diverted from the budget – including all the Swiss bank accounts – was either given back or invested in companies that became part of the PIF, an assertion backed by the IMF” ///

        Do you have evidence for your other accusations? Because your argument is exactly as Israel would like you to have it. Pitting Palestinian against Palestinian.

        The only thing preventing an independent Palestinian state is the US veto vote in the UNSC.

        Younger Palestinian leaders would be up against EXACTLY the same Israeli land grabbing policies and well honed tactics. The Zionistas have had over 100 years of practice. All Palestinian leaders were young when their fight began

      • Theo
        June 15, 2012, 11:04 am

        Talknic

        As you yourself wrote, in only five years almost a billion dollars were diverted!!! I would say stolen.
        If you believe the present leaders around Abbas are more honest, then you also believe that the moon is made out of swiss cheese! They are just more careful how they sceam of their profits. There are no honest politicians anyplace on this globe, just like there are no honest bankrobbers, the scale goes from somewhat dishonest to totally crooked!

        We can agree on that Palestina never will be free unless they drive the jews out of their land. The present leaders are old and old men are usually scared and do not want any change, not if they have it good.
        Revolutions are always carried out by the young, who have nothing to lose, but everything to gain, so in my opinion you can forget the present leadership. Whenever they do anything, it is first coordinated with the israelis and the USA. All that blah-blah is nothing, but theater, to”earn” their keep.

      • talknic
        June 16, 2012, 3:31 am

        Theo June 15, 2012 at 11:04 am

        “, in only five years almost a billion dollars were diverted!!! I would say stolen

        The IMF says you’d be wrong. BTW no sources for your accusations?

      • Theo
        June 16, 2012, 8:59 am

        Talknic

        You are most funny!!
        You quote me a figure of 898 million of “diverted” monies and when I expand on that you say I am wrong and want from me a source. What is your source to the 898 million? Do you think anyone knows the exact amount stolen?

        Perhaps living in Europe and reading a lot of different publications, and having a son-in-law high in international banking may qualify as a source?
        Or knowing the east-european and asian mentality with the constant bakshish to get anything done.
        Start in Italy and go east all the way to Japan, corruption is a way of life.

      • Theo
        June 16, 2012, 9:14 am

        Do you really believe what the IMF or Worldbank or our Federal Reserve says? Or any other source? If you do than watch out for the stork, it brings the babies.
        If the Bible and the Torah is full of lies and misstatements, what can you really trust? I say nothing, inform yourself and make your own intelligent judgement.

  3. American
    June 14, 2012, 11:57 am

    It is the sheer pointless ‘pettiness ‘of preventing Gazans from even fishing in the sea to make a living, something that takes nothing from the Israelis and is no ‘threat’ to them that sends me over the edge. My evil twin comes out and wants to see the US unleash all hell on these puffed up bullies.
    I don’t know how the Gazans take it year after year after year.

    • seafoid
      June 14, 2012, 12:23 pm

      The whole Gaza situation is a joke. 1.5 million stateless people herded into a concentration camp with minimum food availability run by Jews with guns and nuclear weapons who claim that the Shoah gives them the right to do whatever they want.

    • Theo
      June 15, 2012, 11:15 am

      American, I am with you!!
      I would have sent all available planes on June 8th, 1967, to teach those zionists some manners!
      If we did that, then probably we did not have 9/11, the Iraq war and the problems with the Taliban. We are paying very heavily for our cowardness and stupidity!

  4. justicewillprevail
    June 14, 2012, 12:21 pm

    Israel will always be, and act as, a rogue state because whatever it does, however vile and inhumane, it does so with impunity. No state will stand up for international law or human rights applied to the belligerent aggressor state. There is no reason that US or European ships should not accompany observers or relief convoys to Gaza port, to protect their safety, and the Gazans’ right to free passage and trade. Except, of course, none of these ‘freedom-loving’ states has the cojones to stand up to the bully state, and their army of manipulators inside these countries.
    Of course, the irony is that Israel is the first to go whining to international bodies and states that sanctions ‘must’ be applied to the states they have demonised for their own internal political reasons. At least Turkey has some spine, it is time for others to develop some backbone and stand up for their so-called principles.

  5. seafoid
    June 14, 2012, 12:59 pm

    Vile hasbara from the Ha’aretz military correspondent

    250 trucks for 1.6 million people- one large US Walmart takes in more than 250 trucks worth of goods per day.

    These IDF shills are beneath contempt.

    link to haaretz.com

    End the blockade of Gaza? First, define ‘blockade’
    Amos Harel and Avi Issacharoff are back with a new blog. Here, Issacharoff reasons that as there is currently no shortage of goods in Gaza (except for fuel, of course), a clarification of terms may be in order.
    By Avi Issacharoff | Jun.14, 2012 | 4:23 PM

    Fifty international organizations issued a joint media appeal on Thursday: “End the blockade now”.
    According to their announcement “For over five years in Gaza, more than 1.6 million people have been under blockade in violation of international law…”
    It’s interesting to note that Israel’s name doesn’t appear once in the announcement.
    Was this deliberate? Did the announcement also intend to appeal to the Egyptian regime to open its border crossing and allow the exit/entrance of people and trade into the Gaza Strip and out of it?
    Regardless of the fact that the word “Israel” was missing from the announcement, perhaps we should also try reconsider the term “blockade” with regard to Gaza.
    First of all, there is currently no shortage of goods in Gaza. Except for fuel, of course.
    The source of that problem stems from the Hamas government’s refusal to pay the high price for a liter of fuel (like every Israeli citizen pays) and its insistence on receiving smuggled fuel from the Egyptian side at a cheap price, facing off against the Egyptian regime’s complete refusal to allow the continued smuggling of fuel into Gaza (also in light of the serious fuel crisis in Egypt itself.
    All other goods are available in the Gaza Strip markets, and in abundance. This is the result of the Israeli government’s decision, following the flotilla in May 2010, to allow most good into Gaza aside from those that could be used for developing weapons or construction materials.
    This of course, is in addition to the intensive activity occurring underground in the Rafah tunnels. For example, the smuggling of building materials that have allowed for a real estate boom over the last few months in Gaza. We’re not talking about a small tunnel or two, but about an entire industry that gives income to thousands of people and feeds a significant amount of money into the Hamas government’s coffers.
    These facts reveal that the term ‘blockade’ doesn’t have anything to do with the flow of goods into Gaza. Also on the Israeli side, there is an overt supplier / covert supplier cooperation cooperation ongoing with Hamas.
    An average of 250 cargo trucks pass through the Kerem Shalom Crossing to the Gaza Strip from Israel every day. Israeli records show that last April, for example, 4,171 trucks crossed the border.
    Indeed, these figures are comparatively much lower than those recorded when the Palestinian Authority ruled Gaza, but when considering the fact that there’s a “blockade”, supposedly, these numbers are quite impressive.
    Moreover, the Israeli side vehemently claims that the numbers are such because there is no demand from the Palestinian side, due to the Hamas government’s desire to maintain the high profile of the smuggling tunnels (if more good come in from Israel, there will be less smuggling in the tunnels and less taxes going to the Hamas government).
    About a month ago, I took a tour on the Israeli side of the border crossing. At times, I had to remind myself that on the other side, were agents of the Hamas government who were very quietly forming working alliances that serve the interests of both sides: Israel gets its calm, and Hamas gets some sort of profit and financial improvement.
    And what about people? Again, according to Israeli figures (Hamas doesn’t provide data of the kind), 3,888 people left the Gaza Strip for the West Bank last April. In addition, an average 1,200 people pass daily through the Rafah Crossing with Egypt.
    But what, in any case, does the blockade mean? First of all, of course, that the passage of people from Gaza into Israel or the West Bank is very limited. Gazans are more likely to go to Egypt – it’s the Egyptian themselves that set the maximum quota at 1,200 people per day.
    The blockade also extends to a maritime siege, which Israel certainly imposes on Gaza, for security reasons.
    In addition, of course, there is hardly any import of goods from Gaza to the West Bank, due to an Israeli decision based on its “separation policy”. Something along the lines of “preventing the flow of terror from Gaza into the West Bank”.
    This argument sounds weak and unconvincing. The transfer of goods that have undergone security inspection from Gaza into the West Bank would not enable the flow of terror, but rather economic development in the Gaza Strip. Perhaps that, in essence, is what Israel wants to prevent, in order to increase the hostility of Hamas.
    We can hope that just as Israel decided not to continue its prevention of goods into Gaza, somebody in Israel will soon understand that the prevention of exports and economic development will not actually weaken Hamas, but rather fuel further crisis and hostility toward Israel.
    And maybe the time has come for all these international organizations to focus their demands a little better. I propose a new slogan: “Allow exports from Gaza”. Though, “end the blockade now” does sound better.

  6. LanceThruster
    June 14, 2012, 2:20 pm

    Remind me again why these murderous pirates were sold submarines?

  7. HarryLaw
    June 14, 2012, 2:55 pm

    Ahadhaadam, ” The ICC ruled the apartheid wall illegal” so. No they did not, the ICJ did and that was only an opinion. The ICC can act on breaches of its criminal provisions, which mean individual Israelis including the Prime Minister could be indited by the court and subject to arrest in any of those other states signed up to the Rome statute [ICC] yes even the commander of that Israeli warship who shot at the observers described in this post . A Palestinian application for observer state status [ many regard that as a certainty, since all that is required is a simple majority of those present to get it] this is required before any ICC involvement in any war crimes investigations in occupied territories, although it appears you do not want any Israelis brought before the ICC for war crimes.

    • demize
      June 14, 2012, 10:10 pm

      You’re the second one to be a pedant and criticize what @ahadhaadam said, and its ridiculous. He wrongly stated some legal arcania? Big friggen deal, hes absolutely correct in spirit, The ICC is an imperialist cats paw and will do NOTHING unless its some African or Yugoslavian enemy du jour, Im sure there already measuring the dock for Assad. Go file a tort. Everybody that comments like this acts like they’re auditioning for a job writing for the WSJ. get over yourselves.

      • Hostage
        June 15, 2012, 4:33 am

        He wrongly stated some legal arcania? Big friggen deal

        No, there is nothing arcane about it. He made a bunch of groundless, bullshit, claims and so did you. Unlike the ad hoc UN criminal tribunals, the ICC is funded, and supervised by its member states. They do all of the hiring of the Judges, Prosecutors, and staff by means of a democratic ballot process. A quick check of the state parties and cases would reveal that the key imperialist powers aren’t even members of the Court and that the preponderance of cases have been self-referrals.

        FYI, the ICC has never prosecuted a Yugoslavian. Fatou Bensouda, an African from Gambia, is slated to be the new Prosecutor in about two weeks time. One third of the early member states of the ICC were African States. The first three situations before the ICC (the Democratic Republic of Congo, Uganda and the Central African Republic) came to the Court, like Palestine and Côte d’Ivoire, as self-referrals. Although the situation in Libya was referred by the Security Council, the state with territorial jurisdiction has primary responsibility for conducting its own investigations and trials under the Rome Statute. The current ICC Prosecutor has approved requests from the Libyan government to permit it to prosecute war crimes and crimes against humanity in its own courts.

        The notion that the majority of situations or cases have something to do with “imperialism” is a criticism that has been leveled at the UN Security Council referral process, not the ICC. The member states have already adopted a definition and procedures for the crime of aggression that will allow the Court to proceed in cases where the Security Council fails to act. Those amendments are scheduled to go into effect in 2017.

      • demize
        June 15, 2012, 1:43 pm

        You’re missing my point dear sir; that relying on Elite quasi-state institutions for justice for Palestine is a fools errand. This is the dogmatism of Finklestein and Chomsky, and it’s an anachronism like the type of state position. This is from the ICC’s own Site :”To date, the Court has opened investigations into seven situations in Africa: the Democratic Republic of the Congo; Uganda; the Central African Republic; Darfur, Sudan; the Republic of Kenya; the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya and the Republic of Côte d’Ivoire. [24] Of these seven, three were referred to the Court by the states parties (Uganda, Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Central African Republic), two were referred by the United Nations Security Council (Darfur and Libya) and two were begun proprio motu by the Prosecutor (Kenya and Côte d’Ivoire” what does this tell you? I I’m not seeing any genocideres in the order of millions say in Iraq?

      • demize
        June 15, 2012, 1:45 pm

        “type of state position ” should be two state position.

      • Hostage
        June 15, 2012, 7:52 pm

        I’m not seeing any genocideres in the order of millions say in Iraq?

        If you can substantiate the required mens rea for conspiracy to commit genocide on the order of millions, you should just shut-up and go for it.

        The international community is still arresting, deporting and prosecuting octogenarian and nonagenarian war criminals from WWII. So if it takes you a while, don’t worry, we are discussing crimes that really aren’t subject to many statutory limitations.

        FYI, President Bush is already avoiding travel to about 5o countries around the globe, e.g. Bush’s Shrinking World: George W. Bush Cancels Europe Trip as Human Rights Lawyers Threaten Legal Action over Torture link to democracynow.org

        two were begun proprio motu by the Prosecutor (Kenya and Côte d’Ivoire

        That only tells me the Prosecutor forgot to give credit to Côte d’Ivoire for getting the ball rolling by granting the Court jurisdiction in the first place. It supplied an Article 12(3) Declaration, just like the one Palestine provided to the Court. The Prosecutor, the Security Council, and the Court thus have an open invitation to use that declaration at any time in the future to investigate and prosecute all crimes committed on the territory of Côte d’Ivoire since July of 2002. You can read more about that here:
        link to humanrightsdoctorate.blogspot.com

        You’re missing my point dear sir; that relying on Elite quasi-state institutions for justice for Palestine is a fools errand.

        (Yawn) So only the Jews can go to Elite quasi-state institutions to obtain post-war justice and a state of their own. I think that listening to dummies who insist that the PLO must give up inalienable rights to self-determination and their own state; abandon attempts to obtain formal judicial remedies for serious crimes that have been committed against the citizens of Palestine; and pursue so-called “equal rights” through symbolic grass roots BDS alone is mental masturbation. That’s a recipe for how you would deprive someone of equal protection and equal rights that Jews have already obtained.

        Most of the members of the Assembly of State Parties who pay the ICCs bills are part of the Non-Aligned Movement. Out of the 121 members, 33 are African states, 18 are Asian and Pacific states, 18 are from Eastern Europe, and 27 are from Latin American and Caribbean States. The ICC is an institution populated mainly by third-world countries that were former colonies, mandates, and trusteeships. They just don’t represent Elite or Imperial interests.

        Many of us have been hearing that raising the level of political awareness is going to magically solve the problems on the ground ever since Vanessa Redgrave delivered her magnificent speech to millions of television viewers and the members of the Motion Picture Academy back in 1978. http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Vanessa-Redgrave-delivers-a-controversial-speech—Oscar-History-Video/8545580

        Speechifying is certainly going to be necessary. But even the best of speeches, like the President’s Cairo Address, don’t slow-down fascists like Netanyahu and Lieberman one little bit if they aren’t backed up by credible action or threats. Neither does world opinion about the fate of the victims of Cast Lead, or the massacre and abuse of the flotilla activists. These people do recognize and worry about the threat of criminal prosecutions and lawsuits. They consider those to be an act of war or lawfare:
        *http://wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10TELAVIV417.html
        *http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4239994,00.html

        You advised that we go file a tort. A single private civil lawsuit concerning a Hamas terror attack in Israel resulted in $1.3 billion of the PLO’s assets being frozen. The settlements only look irreversible because there are no financial incentives to remove them as a consequence of a similar legal tsunami. See
        Michael Sfard, The legal tsunami is on its way link to haaretz.com

        So your assessment of the current political climate isn’t necessarily a reliable indicator of the course events could take in the immediate future.

      • demize
        June 16, 2012, 2:58 am

        I dont think I care for your tone lol. Your a smarmy little know it all aren’t you. Nuremberg, Ha! victors justice, What about Dresden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima? You seem to think these institutions are somehow going to deliver justice to Palestine? You are deluding yourself, but you’re probably an attorney oor something so I forgive you for being simultaneously arrogant and naive as a babe. Oh golly gee willikers, Intervention Amy Goodman is reporting that Bush cant travel to,blah,blah,blah. Ask Kissinger how his life has been impacted by being an international war crimminal while he shuttles from one conference to another planing new ways to cause misery. Dude you need to wake up and smell the coffee these institutions are populated by the same agents and careerist bureaucrats that caused the problems in the first place. You simply cannot correct a system using the same system that sustains it. But you keep on auditioning for the CFR with your posts.

      • talknic
        June 16, 2012, 4:06 am

        demize June 16, 2012 at 2:58 am

        “I dont think I care for your tone lol. Your a smarmy little know it all aren’t you.”

        Well read and precise…

        “What about Dresden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima?”

        Dresden in February 1945, Nagasaki, Hiroshima August 1945.

        ICJ, the election of the first Members of the International Court of Justice took place on 6 February 1946

        A little research by your good self wouldn’t hurt…

        Only the US veto vote in the UNSC prevents justice for the Palestinians.

      • demize
        June 16, 2012, 4:24 am

        I’m afraid I’m not understanding your point re The Nuremberg Tribunals? As for the UNSC. what makes you think that would change, this is the law of the jungle. You see currently Russia and China have vetoed aggression against Syria so now Killary Et-Al may go “unilateral” and bypass The UN. altogether ala Yugoslavia aka do what they want anyway because that’s what gangsters do. What do I need to research? I’m not interested in the details of these institutions, they are not going to do anything to help. Why this isn’t abundantly clear to you people at this juncture? Is past performance not indicative of anything at all?

      • demize
        June 16, 2012, 4:29 am

        Oh dont forget Micronesia, Micronesia..

      • talknic
        June 16, 2012, 5:22 am

        demize June 16, 2012 at 4:24 am

        “I’m afraid I’m not understanding your point re The Nuremberg Tribunals?”

        On purpose? Justice for Jews was sought and delivered in large part, through the Nuremberg Tribunals

        ” currently Russia and China have vetoed aggression against Syria..

        Russia and China have stated they’re willing to use force should the correct procedure be followed, pointing to the UN Charter on Sovereignty. Until such time as a majority representative requests of the UN as they did in Libya or unless it spills over into neighbouring States, the UN is prohibited from intervening in Syria.

        “What do I need to research?”

        Maybe how 1945 is before 1946

      • Hostage
        June 16, 2012, 5:59 am

        I dont think I care for your tone lol. Your a smarmy little know it all aren’t you.

        I’ll let the readers decide who is the smarmy know it all. I’m not the one demanding that Palestinians surrender their legal rights and continue a one sided-violent conflict with “one hand tied behind their back” so to speak. An activist can support BDS and criminal justice at the same time, without getting bogged down in stupid “final solution” debates. Here is what Ahadhaadam said:

        The only thing that can actually change things on the ground, and even that will take a long time, is BDS and a change of approach by PNA to drop claim for statehood and start a campaign for equal rights, i.e. one state solution.

        Let’s review: The Israelis went to the UN and got themselves a State. The Zionists are enjoying all of the legal benefits and rights of statehood, while proactively denying those benefits to Palestinians, who are waiting around for “the final solution” to materialize. Zionists and Jews are also obtaining compensation from a variety of sources for the conflict in Europe that ended nearly 70 years ago. At the same time, they have institutions that track-down war criminals and allies in governments world-wide who still prosecute war criminals.

        You and Ahadhaadam demand that the Palestinians forgo those same legal rights and remedies in order to pursue some fictional and much delayed version of “equality”.

        Nuremberg, Ha! victors justice, What about Dresden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima?

        “Victors justice” would have permitted the summary execution of all those who were accused of crimes. The persons accused of major war crimes at Nuremberg were given trials. Many only received prison sentences and some were found not guilty. As for Dresden, Nagasaki, or Hiroshima, I’ve never suggested that the German or Japanese people should demand that their governments surrender any of their rights or remedies. Disputes over State rights and immunities are still open to question and justiciable under international law, e.g. See Jurisdictional Immunities of the State (Germany v. Italy: Greece intervening) link to icj-cij.org

      • MHughes976
        June 16, 2012, 6:45 am

        You may not know it all, Hostage, but you do know a lot, to put it mildly, and your knowledge has been of immense benefit to us here when we face all that bamboozling propaganda.

      • Hostage
        June 16, 2012, 7:38 am

        Oh dont forget Micronesia, Micronesia..

        demize, we get it. You are one of those rare contrariness who think that the Jewish boycott of Nazi Germany would have been a sufficient response in the long run. Oh golly gee willikers, Nuremburg and ICTY criminal tribunals are evil, only BDS alone working outside the framework of elite imperialist organizations can save the Palestinians.

        Give your mouth and your feeble intellect a rest, they could use one. The South African grass roots BDS campaign was symbolic. It never was effective until the Black Elites in our Congressional Black Caucus got official legal sanctions adopted by this ol’ imperialist country. Your analysis of politics, the law, and history are pretty infantile.

        Intervention to stop internecine slaughter or genocide is not a miscarriage of justice no matter who is doing it. Comparing the ICC to the role of NATO in the former Yugoslavia is completely whackey.

      • Hostage
        June 16, 2012, 8:09 am

        I’m afraid I’m not understanding your point re The Nuremberg Tribunals?

        That the rest of the world adopted the prohibitions contained in the UN Charter, the 1949 Geneva Conventions, and established the ICJ, and ICC as a response to atrocities committed by all sides in WWII and subsequent conflicts. You’re an ankle biter, but you haven’t proposed any better or more effective solutions.

        Ask Kissinger how his life has been impacted by being an international war crimminal while he shuttles from one conference to another planing new ways to cause misery.

        I don’t have to. He started publicly complaining about the dangers of universal jurisdiction a decade ago. See Henry Kissinger, The Pitfalls of Universal Jurisdiction: Risking Judicial Tyranny, Foreign Affairs, July/August 2001; Christopher Hitchins, The Fugitive, Nation magazine, June 25, 2001

        There are arrest warrants for Kissinger or sealed indictments in Europe, South America, and Southeast Asia. Those have a deterrent effect. Judge Richard Goldstone said prosecutors should not tailor what they are doing to reports of what’s happening on the ground in political negotiations. They should indict the responsible individuals if that is where the evidence leads. He related that the political assessment of UN Secretary-General Boutros-Ghali over the timing of the original indictment of Radovan Karadzic had been incorrect. Had he not been indicted, the Dayton Accords would not have been brokered. How do you know that an indictment of Netanyahu would not lead to a brokered peace agreement?

        Simon Wiesenthal stressed that if Karadzic were ever indicted he should know that if he didn’t immediately face trial, he would be hunted for the rest of his days – and that is exactly what happened. Wiesenthal felt that was the only way to deter other would-be-criminals. Karadzic managed to avoid arrest and trial for quite a while and Kissinger has too. But he still has to worry that his pursuers might make a successful arrest. See You Tube,

        “Conversations with History – Richard J. Goldstone”
         , and Richard Goldstone “For Humanity: Reflections of a War Crimes Investigator”, Yale University Press (August 11, 2000), ISBN 9780300082050, pp 93-103

      • Theo
        June 16, 2012, 9:06 am

        I ditto that!!

      • Donald
        June 16, 2012, 9:38 am

        Hostage, I’ve only caught parts of the argument you’re having, so you might have answered this already, but here’s my question–What do you think we should be doing? How should we be supporting the use of international law to end the conflict in a just way?

        I’m asking because you’ve made such a forceful case in favor of the effectiveness of international law it almost sounds like we don’t have to do anything except get out of the way. I’m pretty sure you don’t mean that–I think you are just criticizing the people who criticize Finkelstein and others who advocate using the law, but maybe you could clarify. (Or link to some earlier post where maybe you’ve answered this already.)

      • demize
        June 16, 2012, 8:18 pm

        “That the rest of the world adopted the prohibitions contained in the UN Charter, the 1949 Geneva Conventions, and established the ICJ, and ICC as a response to atrocities committed by all sides in WWII and subsequent conflicts.”
        And these strictures are ignored at will by the powerful states; we wage aggressive war, and torture, extrajudicially assassinate, kidnap etc. In fact we maintain a ‘Gulag Archipalgo’ internally and externally. So you’re making my point for me. I don’t advocate removing any remedy to obtain justice for Palestine, and I just think it’s asinine to believe the same institutional constructs that gave an entire state to interoperability and maintains the iniquity is going to deliver anything but endless process. Besides is HAMAS legally able to petition for Statehood, and are these avenues available to them, the representatives of the people of Gaza or just FATAH, the nominal leadership of a divided rump state? I They can’t even halt the internationally recognized illegal encroachment in the WB. Jerusalem is being ethnically cleansed, and every institution regards this as an illegality and yet nothing happens. Do you expect the corrupt leadership to be anything other than compradores? You must remember even recently Abbas’ despicable behavior re the UN.regarding Israelis aggression in Gaza would you expect him to do anything remotely beneficial for his people?

      • demize
        June 16, 2012, 8:32 pm

        “I don’t have to. He started publicly complaining about the dangers of universal jurisdiction a decade ago. See Henry Kissinger, The Pitfalls of Universal Jurisdiction: Risking Judicial Tyranny, Foreign Affairs, July/August 2001; Christopher Hitchins, The Fugitive, Nation magazine, June 25, 20012001″
        so basically four inches of text telling me the impact has been that he complained? SCATHING!

      • demize
        June 16, 2012, 8:39 pm

        “Intervention to stop internecine slaughter or genocide is not a miscarriage of justice no matter who is doing it. Comparing the ICC to tme role of NATO in the former Yugoslavia is completely whackey..”
        lol you’re a liberal interventionist. You probably think “Q’addaffi was giving Viagra to black mercenaries” its all on who defines ‘internecine slaughter’ its a cudgel welded against the weak by the strong I reckon.

      • Hostage
        June 16, 2012, 10:03 pm

        Hostage, I’ve only caught parts of the argument you’re having . . .

        Background
        Please compare the response of Palestinian civil society organizations and solidarity activists to the failure of the UN and ICC to follow-up on the government of Palestine’s criminal complaint with the reaction of civil rights and human rights activists here in the US in response to the failure of Florida officials to investigate and prosecute the Trayvon Martin killing. Now ask yourself which activist group would you rather have in your corner?

        In 2005 the Palestinian Civil Society Organizations issued a document titled

        “Palestinian Civil Society Calls for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against Israel Until it Complies with International Law and Universal Principles of Human Rights

        –http://www.bdsmovement.net/call

        The document contained a request that activists everywhere pressure our states to impose sanctions on Israel. That obviously has to include criminal sanctions:

        We, representatives of Palestinian civil society, call upon international civil society organizations and people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era. We appeal to you to pressure your respective states to impose embargoes and sanctions against Israel.

        In 2009 the government of Palestine accepted the jurisdiction of the ICC. Officials filed a criminal complaint regarding Operation Cast Lead and other war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on their territory since July 2002. The PA supplied documentary evidence at the time, which established beyond any doubt that it was a State formally recognized by many of the ICC member states. The Goldstone Mission report specifically asked the Prosecutor to make an expeditious determination about the Palestinian submission:

        1767. To the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court:
        • With reference to the declaration under article 12 (3) received by the Office of the Prosecutor of the ICC from the Government of Palestine, the Mission considers that accountability for victims and the interests of peace and justice in the region require that the legal determination should be made by the Prosecutor as expeditiously as possible.

        For three years the Prosecutor requested written opinions from various legal scholars and government officials, and provided status updates on them to the UN. Then at last, the Prosecutor produced a very short note that said he was not competent to make a decision on Palestinian statehood. Remarkably, he explained that the decision had been up to the UN Secretary General all along. To add insult to injury, the Prosecutor had failed to even ask for a written opinion from the Secretary General on the question. For his own part, the Secretary has been accepting instruments of accession from Palestine for multilateral agreements ever since 2001.

        The General Assembly has affirmed that Palestinian statehood is a matter of self-determination that is not subject to the peace process or to any veto. Those have been the Secretary General’s marching orders from the General Assembly for quit some time in case he still harbors any doubts. link to un.org

        Last year the Prosecutor and President of the ICC both said that, if Palestine’s status was upgraded to that of a non-member observer state, the ICC would treat its declaration accordingly. EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton immediately offered EU support for the upgraded status, but only if Palestinian officials would pledge not to take Israel to the International Criminal Court (ICC) should they win UN recognition. link to eubusiness.com

        The EU Council has also stated that “Palestinian statehood is not subject to any veto.” Ashton’s conditions regarding the ICC are really unconscionable. Activists in the EU should demand that she comply with past agreements. link to europarl.europa.eu

        Under international law, states are juridically equal, with the same rights and obligations. The UN also recognizes the principle of sovereign equality of states. So US and EU attempts to impose servitude on the Palestinians; to deny them the means to exercise the customary right of self-defense; and to deny them the right to pursue claims in international courts, have no legitimacy whatsoever.

        you might have answered this already, but here’s my question–What do you think we should be doing?

        Fulfill the Call to Pressure Your Respective State to Adopt Sanctions

        Activists should quite obviously pressure their states to apply appropriate criminal sanctions on Israeli officials. There are over 130 countries today that have formally recognized Palestine and many have laws that apply to war crimes or crimes against humanity. All of us can apply pressure to the Office of the ICC Prosecutor to take action on the declaration of Palestine, now that it has been recognized as a full member state of a UN specialized agency.

        If your country is an ICC member state ask your government to make a state referral of the situation to the Office of the Prosecutor.

        We can pressure our governments to keep their previous agreements with Palestine and promote recognition of the State of Palestine and UN membership in accordance with both the obligations of the UN and other Quartet obligations under Phase II of the Road Map. I leave messages and write the White House and my state representatives all the time demanding that they recognize Palestine, with all of the normal rights and duties of a state in accordance with international law.

        Palestinian Civil Society organizations should speak out in support their own government’s declaration accepting ICC jurisdiction and the request for the application of criminal sanctions against the Israeli officials who are responsible for serious crimes against their people. They should also pressure their state to join the ICC as soon as possible.
        link to aljazeera.com

        I’m asking because you’ve made such a forceful case in favor of the effectiveness of international law it almost sounds like we don’t have to do anything except get out of the way.

        Hardly, I’ve actually said: Bottom line, the State of Palestine’s legal experts ought to be camped out in the ICC Prosecutor’s Office and Palestinian activists need to raise hell until they are. link to mondoweiss.net

        Ironically there are activists here who reflexively attack anyone who mentions pursuing formal criminal sanctions through state or international governmental organizations in line with existing international law and the 2005 BDS call for action.

      • Hostage
        June 17, 2012, 9:25 am

        And these strictures are ignored at will by the powerful states; we wage aggressive war, and torture, extrajudicially assassinate, kidnap etc.

        Your forte seems to be kvetching and using warmed-over hasbara talking points. You haven’t proposed any better strategy than the progressive development of international laws and their enforcement. I’ve already heard all about the evils perpetrated by the rest of the world and the failings and abuses of the corrupt system of international law. If you’re going to specialize in that sort of thing, you should see about getting a job with NGO Monitor or the Israeli MFA, if you haven’t already.

        All of the acts that you’ve mentioned above are viewed as violations of international norms by the majority of the world’s population and their governments. It certainly doesn’t help your case that those laws are the only thing preventing men like Bush and Kissinger from enjoying complete impunity in their golden years. After all, they’re busy dodging arrest warrants and writing editorials about the dangers of universal jurisdiction and judicial tyranny. They’re not loosing any sleep over people who express cynical views like yours.

        Besides is HAMAS legally able to petition for Statehood

        They already have. The application for membership in the UN was submitted by the PLO. It remains the Provisional Government of the State of Palestine under the terms of the 1988 Algiers Unilateral Declaration of Independence. Hamas membership and participation in the PLO was part of the unity deal. See: Hamas moves to join Palestine Liberation Organization link to haaretz.com

        Speaking in the 5th international conference in support of Palestinian Intifada in Tehran, Khaled Meshal, head of the Hamas Politboro said that the request of Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian Authority, for recognition of an independent Palestinian state and full membership in the United Nations is a courageous act that must be appreciated and supported. link to richardsilverstein.com

        FYI, Hamas and Fatah do not claim to be governing different states. Whether they choose to have a loose confederation through the PLO in the future or a strong centralized federal system of national government is not relevant to the existence of statehood, unless you happen to be an Israeli hasbarist.

        Do you expect the corrupt leadership to be anything other than compradores? You must remember even recently Abbas’ despicable behavior re the UN.regarding Israelis aggression in Gaza would you expect him to do anything remotely beneficial for his people?

        Wikileaks revealed that the Israeli military considered the PA’s criminal complaint in the Hague to be an act of war. It’s awfully easy for armchair generals, like yourself, to accuse Abbas of being a collaborator who has done nothing about the attack on Gaza, while conveniently forgetting that he authorized that ICC complaint about Gaza in the first place and has steadfastly refused to withdraw it. The Israeli government and media have been playing-up the corruption angle ever since the day the complaint was filed. — See Israel demands PA drop war crimes suit at The Hague
        *http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-demands-pa-drop-war-crimes-suit-at-the-hague-1.7134
        And the Wikileaks cable
        *http://wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10TELAVIV417.html

        As far as I’m concerned, no one but the Israelis are served by talk about discouraging the statehood bid and dropping legal actions in the international criminal court. Your diatribes against international law and international organizations sound eerily similar to Zionist thinking on those same subjects.

      • Hostage
        June 17, 2012, 9:33 am

        so basically four inches of text telling me the impact has been that he complained? SCATHING!

        No, citations to two articles which indicate that he’ll be looking over his shoulder and dodging arrest warrants for the rest of his life, if he’s lucky.

      • Hostage
        June 17, 2012, 10:53 am

        lol you’re a liberal interventionist. You probably think “Q’addaffi was giving Viagra to black mercenaries” its all on who defines ‘internecine slaughter’ its a cudgel welded against the weak by the strong I reckon.

        No, I was describing a thing, the international system of justice. I was discussing how that particular aspect of the international order has always functioned.

        The Treaty of Westphalia that ushered in the existing international order provided that controversies should be referred to Arbitrators and resolved through “amicable Interposition, and other Offices of Pacification, without using the force of Arms.” (Article V). But it also placed certain domestic issues touching on the maintenance of the peace, like religion, under international guarantee and authorized states to intervene. link to books.google.com

        Peaceful approaches to the Yugoslav Wars were attempted for many years. When governments and societies either can’t, or won’t, put an end to internecine slaughter and genocide on their own, they eliminate the need for the international community of states to manufacture an excuse to intervene. The international system of justice was originally established on the principle of interventionism to prevent religious carnage and it has always employed that as an excuse (casus belli) based upon a collective “responsibility to protect”.

        The Crimean War allegedly began over a dispute regarding the keys to a Church in Palestine. Afterward, the rights of the subjects of the Ottoman Empire were placed under international guarantee and the Sublime Porte was invited to participate in the public international law and Concert of Europe (or else). See paragraph 20: link to books.google.com

        The Zionist national home was secured by that same system of public law. Here is an article where Dr Henry Kissinger pretends that the Westphalian system has never applied to the Middle East and that intervention by states on behalf of co-religionists is a new phenomenon. link to 4thmedia.org

        Here is a response which points out that the principle is not new; that Jews used it to aid co-religionists in Palestine; and that Kissinger is only claiming that the Westphalian system does not apply to Muslim nations.
        link to nsnbc.wordpress.com

        You don’t have to agree with either man or support interventionism in order to conclude that interventionism is allowed as a fundamental aspect of the Westphalian international order according to both experts.

        In any event the role of the ICC is a non-violent one and your reference to a NATO armed intervention is still inapplicable.

      • talknic
        June 17, 2012, 10:58 am

        Hostage June 16, 2012 at 10:03 pm

        thx…

  8. Daniel Rich
    June 14, 2012, 5:34 pm

    Q: At 8:40am, on Wednesday, June 13th, 2012, an Israeli warship attacked …

    R: “We did it to commemorate our successful attack, major fuck up, defending the motherland, mistaken identity, longest ever friendly fire incident , 8th of June, ’67, USS Liberty welcome.” — IDF anonymous PR sauce.

  9. Blake
    June 16, 2012, 8:42 am

    UN: Israeli Forces Killed 2,300 in Gaza Under Blockade

    June 15, 2012 – BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) — Israeli forces have killed nearly 2,300 Palestinians and injured 7,700 in Gaza over the last five years, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said Thursday.

    Some 27 percent of the fatalities in Gaza were women and children, the UN agency said in a report highlighting the effects of Israel’s blockade.

    The land, sea and air blockade of Gaza entered its sixth year on Thursday.

    Under the blockade, exports have dropped to less than 3 percent of 2006 levels.

    More: link to informationclearinghouse.info

  10. demize
    June 16, 2012, 8:20 pm

    Interoperability should be interopers.

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