Why did the Israeli military kill 13-year-old Ma’moun al-Dam?

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Blood-stained pieces of Ma’moun’s clothes were splayed
across the olive grove (Photo: Hama Waqum)

Shreds of black and blue cloth stained in red lay scattered across an olive grove on the outskirts of Gaza City.

The remains of 13-year-old Ma’moun al-Dam’s t-shirt lay hooked into an olive bush and his sandals flung five meters away from where he was killed.

Nobody is talking about what happened at 2.30pm on Wednesday afternoon, and the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), as usual, are not being questioned bout their actions.

An untouched picnic and bloodstained cushion.
(Photo: Hama Waqum)

Ma’moun was killed by a bomb dropped by the IDF while he was having a picnic with his parents in a garden in the area between Zeitoun and Tal Elhawwa neighbourhoods.

One of Ma’moun’s neighbors- a man in his 20s who didn’t want to be identified- recalled the events, “I heard a scream and came to the olive grove. I could see black smoke. I froze when I arrived- I couldn’t do anything for five minutes. I saw a young mother screaming over her son’s body.”

A pock marked fence thrown back by the force of the blast. (Photo: Hama Waqum)

The hole where the bomb fell was shallow, and Ma’moun was around a meter and a half away when it landed. His right arm was cooked to a crisp and his body riddled with small holes. His clothes were burnt and lay in shreds in the bushes, sprawled across the olive grove and into neighboring land.  The force of the bomb sent the nearby metal fence flying two meters. The metal is riddled with tiny pea-sized holes.  Ma’moun’s neighbors believe that the bomb held metal pellets, which exploded in a cluster, causing his torso to be dotted with waves of small wounds.

Pellet-sized holes damaged both Ma’moun’s body and
the surrounding area. (Photo: Hama Waqum)

Ma’moun’s school tests and notes were scattered around the picnic site, out of reach of the explosion, which melted the olive grove’s plastic fence. The neighbor recalled, “Ma’moun always likes to write, he brings papers with him everywhere.”

The olive grove has barely been touched in 24 hours. The family’s picnic lies untouched on a plastic table. Next to the dried pickles are a mattress and cushion- both now stained in blood as Ma’moun’s mother moved her son into the shade, laying him in front of his father, who is blind and was injured in the head during the attack. Shrapnel hangs in the bushes and Ma’moun’s phone split into three pieces, intertwined in the brambles.

The neighbor explained that Ma’moun’s mother “put his body down in front of her husband and said to her husband, who cannot see, “Say mashallah; you have a martyr for a son.”

Ma’moun’s death is one of 16 since escalations began on Monday. The 13-year-old’s death has gone largely unreported and the IDF have made no official statement on his death, except by responding to tweets asking for an explanation with a deflection. :

Neighbors have said that no missiles were launched from the area and if they had, the family would certainly have left their picnic, especially during an escalation.

No proof of a rocket launch has been offered by the IDF and nobody is asking questions about why a 13-year-old was killed.

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  1. justicewillprevail
    June 24, 2012, 9:45 am

    They simply don’t care. The IDF launch missiles in a random fashion, purely for punitive ‘retaliation’ and could care less where they land. It is heartbreaking and disgusting, but all you will hear is the sound of silence, followed by the usual lies and feeble deceit, excuses and justification. I suppose the hardhearted swine will tell us they wanted publicity. They are beyond reason.

  2. Les
    June 24, 2012, 9:59 am

    Being a Palestinian is wholey suffiecient when you are dealing with racists. After all are there any people who support Israel’s occupation and ethnic cleansing who are not racists?

  3. Taxi
    June 24, 2012, 10:38 am

    Why ask “why” Apartheid israel kills peaceful Palestinians while they’re on a family picnic? We all know the gruesome answer to this question.

    In this instance, it’s more spiritualized to count the hands in the last foto , hands full of embraces and love for Ma’moun and his bereaved father, Muhammed.

    These ARE the very hands that will one day destroy the occupation and rebuild their beloved Palestine.

    R.I.P. sweet Ma’moun. I never met you, but I know you and your life-story like I know my own face in the mirror.

  4. OlegR
    June 24, 2012, 11:04 am

    Another question to the anonymous author
    regarding his illustrations photos allegedly taken at the scene.

    All of them and i checked lack the metadata that usually shows when the picture was taken (the date) and under what conditions (the exposure settings of the camera)
    Can the author please provide the original jpg’s so we can at leas check when they were shot (though we won’t be sure as to where)

  5. OlegR
    June 24, 2012, 11:20 am

    This picture in particular is interesting

    Shrapnel from air dropped ordnance (Lets assume that there is such ordnance that uses pellets arranged in clusters i am not an expert but usually i would find pellets in ied’s) usually do hit in patterns (because it is arranged in clusters)
    but they don’t tend to leave such accurate straight lines on one metal surface and leave an adjacent metal surface completely intact.
    Rifle fire does that, during target practice.

    And last question where are the pictures of the shallow crater left by that bomb
    can we see the as well please. (Again please the original with metadata intact)
    Just curious.

    • American
      June 24, 2012, 12:07 pm

      @ Oleg

      I am curious too…about the French Jewish children killed by a alleged gunman—–it was probably a hoax also…bet they’re alive and well in Israel living in some settlement on a nice stipend from Israel.
      Of course when people around the world see this kind thing someone might be inspired to go out and really kill some Jewish children for revenge…maybe the Palestines set this up for that purpose.
      Yea, it’s probably just a plot to make Israel look bad.

    • Taxi
      June 24, 2012, 12:59 pm

      You’re using the same argumentative questions that “allegedly” holocaust deniers use. Except their questions are never answered. Why is that? Care to answer THIS question?

      I’d also just like to remind you here that yet another 13 year old Palestinian died just so that you, a RUSSIAN, can live in Palestine. Hope you enjoy your nightmares tonight.

    • ColinWright
      June 24, 2012, 1:15 pm


      Please. Go to a Holocaust Denial site. Write for them. They enjoy this kind of nonsense. You’ll have an appreciative audience.

    • talknic
      June 24, 2012, 1:19 pm

      OlegR June 24, 2012 at 11:20 am

      You’re right. It looks very much like strafing from a fighter aircraft or helicopter canon.

      BTW why haven’t you broached the question? Why did the Israeli military kill 13-year-old Ma’moun al-Dam OlegR?

  6. OlegR
    June 24, 2012, 11:34 am

    BTW .
    Nice touch putting the deflated soccer ball on the family table,
    provokes just the right emotional response from the audience.
    A bit obvious though…

    • Sumud
      June 24, 2012, 12:01 pm

      That’s it Oleg – keep on diggin’ baby, show the Whole Damn World exactly what it means to be a zionist.

      • OlegR
        June 24, 2012, 1:51 pm

        Nothing to do with Zionism Sumud.
        I am not even claiming that the boy was not killed by IDF though the IDF denies it https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/216467625117630464 since i don’t know for sure.

        But here is what i do know.
        A few days ago this author http://mondoweiss.net/author/waleed-al-meadana published
        this propaganda http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/hadeel-to-triumph%E2%80%A8.html
        article about the death of a 2 year old girl
        this was debunked by PCHR and Philip had to issue this retraction
        in order to maintain credibility.

        Now another Palestinian contributor this time an anonymous one
        (Why ?) publishes a heart wrenching propaganda article with lots
        of details and a bunch of staged very focused narrow field photographs to emphasize his point.

        I don’t deny that Palestinian children died as a result of Israeli bombings
        i don’t even mind that Palestinians use these death’s to further their
        propaganda efforts.
        I do however mind when i see lies even on this site which
        clearly has chosen a side and an agenda.

      • justicewillprevail
        June 24, 2012, 3:00 pm

        And we should believe your transparent attempts to divert and excuse the casual murders of the IDF? I don’t think so. Just curious, LOL.

      • OlegR
        June 24, 2012, 4:36 pm

        No you should try and read the post and think .
        Is this propaganda ?
        Does this add up?
        Do i care if it does not add up even if it does help my goals ?

        These sorts of questions.

      • ColinWright
        June 24, 2012, 5:35 pm

        ‘A few days ago this author link to mondoweiss.net
        this propaganda link to mondoweiss.net
        article about the death of a 2 year old girl
        this was debunked by PCHR and Philip had to issue this retraction
        in order to maintain credibility.

        You musta got to the article pretty quick. By the time I read it, the following was already attached:

        ‘Editor’s Note: There seem to be questions regarding the circumstances under which Hadeel was killed. Ma’an reports: “A Hamas medical official told Reuters the cause of the child’s death was not clear. Witnesses said she was killed when militants launched a rocket close by. An Israeli military spokesman told Ma’an the army had not attacked that area.”‘

        You’re sure that qualification wasn’t already there? Or are you just trying to paint Weiss as unreasoningly hostile towards Israel when in fact his hostility appears to be perfectly reasonable?

        Most two year olds that are violently killed in Gaza are killed by the IDF. Most of the time, the IDF leads off with denials, multiple and conflicting spurious claims, and statements that they ‘are investigating.’

        Occasionally, of course, it will turn out the two year old died some other way. However, it’s pretty reasonable to assume that the usual death had the usual cause.

        It’s worth noting that if the IDF had any credibility left at all, then their denials might have actually given somebody some pause. As it is, we just have to deal with the other evidence. Pending the Palestinians’ own admission, everything pointed to this being the usual IDF atrocity.

      • Taxi
        June 25, 2012, 2:04 am

        OlegR = hasbara smartypants.

    • Dexter
      June 24, 2012, 4:07 pm

      Aren’t you Russian? Why do you care about this issue so much?

  7. American
    June 24, 2012, 12:09 pm

    Yesterday’s news said 13 Palestines dead and 26 injured by the Israeli srikes so far.

  8. OlegR
    June 24, 2012, 12:18 pm

    /The hole where the bomb fell was shallow, and Ma’moun was around a meter and a half away when it landed. His right arm was cooked to a crisp and his body riddled with small holes. /

    A bomb (even a small one) landing a meter and a half from a human being
    would tear him to bits by the blast.
    Some creative literary freedom by the author?

    • JamieT
      June 25, 2012, 12:18 am

      That’s what you got out of the article? Are you even human?

      • thankgodimatheist
        June 25, 2012, 9:33 pm

        “Are you even human?”
        That would be bad for Israel.

    • Daniel Rich
      June 25, 2012, 12:20 am

      @ OlegR,

      Saw a dude after a shell exploded a few feet behind him. His back was gone, but the front [the skin that or what was left of it] looked like nothing had happened. Must be my ‘creative’ mind playing tricks on me, eh?

      • OlegR
        June 25, 2012, 12:43 am

        That hardly the sort of injuries the author describes.

        What sort of shell ,

  9. Ramzi Jaber
    June 24, 2012, 12:36 pm

    Simply, a continuation of the zionist daily criminal activity. Business as usual…

    BUT the game has just changed BIG TIME. With Morsi becoming president of Egypt, it’s a new dawn now. Finally!

    Keep in mind that the US and the zionist regime always knew that Arabs could never go to war against the zionist criminals without Egypt (just like they know that the zionist criminals can never get peace without Syria). That is why US and the zionist regime did all they could to take Egypt out of that equation (and what they are doing now to take out the Syrian government).

    With Egypt back to the Arab fold and leading it, and a third intifada imminent on the very near horizon (as sincere as it was, the entire “security and calm” approach of President Abbas didn’t work out since instead of convincing the israelis that they can trust us as a neighboring peaceful state, it resulted in israelis getting a false and mistaken sense that they can get peace/calm while also holding on to occupied Palestine – BIG mistake), there will certainly be very real change coming soon. Coupled with the accelerating demographic move back to a solid non-jewish majority in historic Palestine, the zionists are in for a rude awakening. Things are about to start shaking.

    • ColinWright
      June 24, 2012, 1:20 pm

      ‘…it’s a new dawn now. Finally!’

      We’ll see. Were the last few days all about the Egyptian military having an internal power struggle and finally backing down — or were they all about VERY discreet negotiations between the Brotherhood and the military?

      …The US has gotta be somewhere in that mix as well. The Brotherhood could be entering into power not so much with an agenda as with a list of agreements of things it will NOT do.

      • Taxi
        June 25, 2012, 1:52 am

        It don’t matter that the moslem brotherhood won the presidential elections cuz last week the Egyptian army eggheads performed what can only be called: a silent, invisible coup d’etat. Last week they changed enough crucial items on the presidential list of duties and powers – absorbing most of these trimmings themselves, even endowing themselves with the highest judicial powers.

        In other words, in practical terms, the army is still in charge.

        I can get more into this, but it’s the wrong thread. Suffice it to say that tonight Saudis, israelis and Americans are having a cocktail party with the Egyptian moslem brotherhood as their guest of honor. The Egyptian army, on the other hand, is busy working the graveyard shift, literary digging more political graves for their historic foe, the moslem brotherhood, who hold a single potent power card: their ability to incite the masses across Egypt to violent protest against the army.

        There are two ways an army can fall: being defeated by a foreign army, or if an army ends up killing masses of its own people. The cocktail party ravers mentioned above are clinking their champagne glasses and hoping for the later. Well, not just hoping.

    • Taxi
      June 24, 2012, 1:26 pm


      I hate to break this to you but the Egyptian moslem brotherhood is in bed with israel – for the foreseeable future. Them ‘brothers’, being the ultimate pragmatists, will do anything, including sleeping with israel, to attain and hold on to their presidential powers and USA aid. Don’t be fooled people, israel was praying that malleable islamists would win the Egyptian presidency – why what better excuse for them to insist on having a ‘jewish’ state in a sea of islamic states. They want the Syrian salafist brotherhood to take over too – and they’re trying for that now aren’t they? And Lebanon? Now there’s their real conundrum cuz Lebanon is too many religions and their democracy is older than israel itself by several years. When the third intifada breaks out, the Egyptian brothers will be on the phone to Hilary first for advise. And oh did I mention how the Egyptian army still remembers their dead by israeli gunfire?

      • ColinWright
        June 24, 2012, 5:57 pm

        I’m not too disturbed.

        Actually kind of wishing the best for Egypt, it’s probably best if they take short but genuine steps rather than attempting to reach the millennium in one great, glorious leap. Those great, glorious leaps have a dreadful track record.

        So the Muslim Brotherhood is fine. And if they’re ‘in bed with’ (i.e., trying to work with) all and sundry, so much the better.

    • tokyobk
      June 24, 2012, 2:01 pm

      MB clerics leading chants of “Khayber ya yahood” is a blessing second to none for those who want to justify occupation in general and the status of Israel defending itself in a sea of hate in general. Support for Israel in the US will increase the extent to which Egypt can be cast fanatically and as Islamist.

      • Mooser
        June 24, 2012, 5:17 pm

        “Israel defending itself in a sea of hate in general.”

        So either it was one hell of a stupid mistake for the Zionists to choose it for the Jewish State, or something Israel has done has engendered hate in the neighbors. Which is it?
        Remember, all the Arab states voted “no” on the UN resolution. Why didn’t the Zionists respect their votes?

        “Support for Israel in the US will increase the extent to which Egypt can be cast fanatically and as Islamist.”

        That’s just the Ziocaine talking. Try and sober up, would ya?

      • ColinWright
        June 24, 2012, 5:52 pm

        Well, of course Israel’s ‘in a sea of hate.’ If Chinese seized Alabama, drove out the native population with fire and sword, and proceeded to invade and humiliate every one of their new neighbors over the next sixty years, ‘Chibama’ would be ‘in a sea of hate’ as well.

        I don’t see how this would justify Chibama’s behavior or existence in any way, though.

        Go ahead. Try moving into a new neighborhood, seizing one of the houses by force, and staging home invasion burglaries of every other house on the block. Let me know how you’re getting on with your new neighbors.

      • Danaa
        June 24, 2012, 7:35 pm

        Islamist is in the same category as Jewishy. certainly the jewish brotherhood of Israel – the ones not just in settlements of the WB but all over the land – waving their antiquated anachronistic halacha is no different than other brotherhoods waving the kuran. if you look at the wonderful faces of your jewish brothers in their west bank colonies and theard their chants of “a good Arab is a dead Arab” you’d agree that israel harbors a huge enclave of de-stabilizing fanatic forces. Not only that, but the fanatics in israel will soon have their finger on the nuke button. Do you really think they won’t press it? do you know where their nukes are aimed (hint: not just at Arab countries…)?

        The fanatics are coming – and the ones to fear are in israel, not Egypt.

  10. talknic
    June 24, 2012, 1:14 pm

    OlegR June 24, 2012 at 11:34 am

    You can prove your allegation … yes? It would be a shame if you can’t. Especially after all your efforts here. Without, you’ll have only shown readers what vile people Israel has rooting for it.

    Defeating yourself is a bizarre past time, take much practice?

    • OlegR
      June 24, 2012, 2:06 pm

      Download the files check the metadata and ask the author for the original
      if he can provide it.
      Also ask him if there are other pictures that could show some context
      the entire site of the bombing for example and not some carefully chosen and doctored
      (again the deflated soccer ball) photographs without any apparent linkage between them.

      All the author has to do to prove me wrong is post some link to these photographs,
      there is nothing simpler then that.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 24, 2012, 3:34 pm

        oleg, are you also alleging the author is fabricating the tweet from the iof spokesperson? when you say “A bomb (even a small one) landing a meter and a half from a human being would tear him to bits by the blast.” it implies you are challenging the notion a bomb was dropped?

        what do you think of the iof spokesperson’s response “Why does Hamas use teenagers on picnics as human shields?” ? don’t you find it a little odd that the military spokesperson would not indicate they did not kill a teen on a picnic, if they had not? or denied bombing the site?

        i’m not really sure what it is you are defending. you do not think this event occurred? then specifically, what are you alleging took place?

      • justicewillprevail
        June 24, 2012, 4:10 pm

        Using the metadata to ‘disprove’ a photo is an old trick that hasbarists like to use, since it is impossible to prove whether the camera was set to the correct time and day in the first place. And of course the IDF will be keen to provide copies with conveniently ‘wrong’ dates. Clutching, straws, desperate. oleg, like all faithful hasbarists, tries to divert the focus to a microscopic detail in order to ignore and obscure and bigger picture. Of course he will satisfy himself that it is all a dastardly plot, like the idiot soldiers in the New Yorker story, and will then post multiple times the same old IDF propaganda, whilst pretending that IDF can be held to account for their casual, criminal use of deadly force every single day. No doubt he will be along in a minute with some fabricated ‘evidence’ from hasbara central.

      • OlegR
        June 24, 2012, 4:30 pm

        This is the IDF official position at the moment afaik.
        I don’t claim it to be true but this is their position.

        Regarding the remark about the picnic/
        Please follow @WelshInGaza’s lead in my last RT and ask @IDFSpokesperson why they are killing teenagers on picnics in Gaza.

        [email protected] @Sarahcarr Why does Hamas use teenagers on picnics as human shields? #Gaza ow.ly/bKIvO/

        I don’t think you can interpret this exchange as a direct admission that
        the IDF bombed a picnic Annie, maybe by your logic it is but not by mine
        i view it as a sarcastic remark.

        /i’m not really sure what it is you are defending. you do not think this event occurred? then specifically, what are you alleging took place?/

        I am not claiming anything about the actual case.

        I am saying that this post, specifically this post shows some artistic liberties taken by the author that do not add up.
        And that the photos he used to illustrate his propaganda (except the last one which he did not take) i think are either doctored or irrelevant to the case at all.
        And i asked the author to provide some proof that these photos were indeed taken at the site where the boy was killed.
        I can’t tell by the looks of them which makes me suspect that either they are not authentic or that if the author do reveal the full photo set then we might learn that the IDF claim that the boy was killed by “explosion of a local terror group’s weapon stock. ”
        might have some merit.

        I want to know.
        And there is nothing easier for the author then to prove me wrong on all my claims.Just show us the full photo set with all of the original metadata in the pictures.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 24, 2012, 7:10 pm

        oleg, the tweet just said ‘Lies debunked’ and then made an allegation offering no link to any debunking or anything else. it takes more than claiming one has debunked for a debunking to take place. perhaps this particular person doesn’t have a decent grasp of the english language.

        i do not even know if the author is reading this thread. you want more photos from the spot, get your own frigging contact to go take pics for you. maybe you should be the one to prove otherwise to back up whatever theory you’ve got. the author doesn’t have to answer to you. you’re spamming the site/thread.

      • CloakAndDagger
        June 24, 2012, 8:25 pm

        And there is nothing easier for the author then to prove me wrong on all my claims.Just show us the full photo set with all of the original metadata in the pictures.

        And what would that prove? Do you think if someone wanted to deceive they wouldn’t know how to alter the EXIV data? Even digital watermarks can be altered fairly easily.

      • American
        June 25, 2012, 1:28 am

        “I want to know.
        And there is nothing easier for the author then to prove me wrong on all my claims”…..Oleg

        Why should he bother to prove you wrong? As we said before, Israel is guilty by past deeds to such an extent that it doesn ‘t matter and no one cares if one incident is gotten wrong. In the eyes of the world who has seen all the children and others you have killed for so long and lied about and excused—- you’re guilty…..that’s who you are now.
        Even ‘if’ this incident wasn’t as reported…no one would care…you’re still guilty

      • ColinWright
        June 24, 2012, 5:43 pm

        Let us suppose — ENTIRELY for the sake of argument — that you turned out to be right about Ma’moun al-Dam. He WASN’T killed as described.

        So? Now we have 53 children or whatever murdered by Israel in the last year instead of 54.

        Unless you’re suggesting Israel killed NONE of them, I fail to see the importance of your crusade. It’s like arguing that really, only 5.2 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust instead of 6.3 million. It doesn’t alter the moral complexion of anything in the least.

        And please — unless you can point us to you debunking some Israeli atrocity claim — don’t try to claim that it is a concern for the truth that is motivating you here.

      • Dutch
        June 24, 2012, 10:11 pm

        @ Colin: “So? Now we have 53 children or whatever murdered by Israel in the last year instead of 54.”

        Right — plus 1,400 children imprisoned. Or 1,401. Breaking a society by keepings its kids hostage.

      • Shingo
        June 24, 2012, 10:35 pm

        Download the files check the metadata and ask the author for the original if he can provide it.

        I wonder what Oleg would have said when the metadata from the pictures the IDF released of the so called weapons carried on board the Mavi Marmara read 2004?

      • Fredblogs
        June 27, 2012, 1:42 pm

        Very good point Shingo. The metadata on the pictures could very well just be the default date for the camera plus the time since batteries were last put in. About the only way they would prove anything would be if it had GPS data or a very recent date but before the supposed events.

      • Hostage
        June 25, 2012, 1:53 am

        Allegation? Download the files check the metadata and ask the author for the original if he can provide it.

        Oleg your country’s military has a well deserved reputation for lying about or downplaying it’s role in massacres at places like Kafr Qasim, Khan Yunis, Rafah, Qibya, Sammu, Sabra, Shatila, and Qana.

        But it has also spent decades amassing an enormous list of Palestinian and Lebanese children that it has killed in isolated incidents. The fact that Israel wages wars on adults and children alike without any distinction has been thoroughly documented in studies like M. Cherif Bassiouni and Louise Cainkar (eds), Data Base Project on Palestinian Human Rights, “The Palestinian Intifada – December 9th, 1987 – December 8th, 1988: A Record of Israeli Repression”, 1989 and Alison Weir, Murdering Babies is “Permissible” When They’re Palestinian *http://books.google.com/books?id=KerNRAAACAAJ&dq=&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LvXnT4WFD4Te2QWRnLT5Cg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA

        FYI, M. Cherif Bassiouni is known as “the father of international criminal law”. He was the 2007 recipient of the Hague Prize for International Law and is Distinguished Research Professor of Law Emeritus at DePaul University College of Law. He has served as past President, International Human Rights Law Institute, DePaul University; Secretary General and President, International Association of Penal Law; President, International Institute of Higher Studies in Criminal Sciences; Former Chairman and Rapporteur on the Gathering and Analysis of the Facts, Commission of Experts Established pursuant to Security Council Resolution 780 (1992); Former Vice-Chairman of the United Nations Ad Hoc Committee for the Establishment of an International Criminal Court.

  11. ColinWright
    June 24, 2012, 1:23 pm

    The worst of it is that sometimes pictures ARE faked and sometimes there really is something wrong with the ‘official story.’ However, enough false cries of ‘wolf’ from Oleg types, and one just becomes resistant to considering real discrepancies.

  12. Annie Robbins
    June 24, 2012, 1:39 pm

    Xinhua news reporting new ‘understanding’

    BEIJING, June 24 (Xinhuanet) — A senior Islamic Hamas movement’s official says a new understanding with Israel on restoring calm in Gaza has been reached on the principle of “calm for calm.”

    The statement comes after violent airstrikes in Gaza by the Israeli military. Ayman Taha, a senior Hamas leader, says the understanding means Hamas will stop rocket fire if Israel ends its raids. He added that Hamas will be watching the situation on the ground within the coming hours and also the seriousness of the Israelis to maintain calm.


  13. Blake
    June 24, 2012, 1:48 pm

    Attacks over last week have killed 15 including a 4 year old boy:

    • ColinWright
      June 24, 2012, 2:59 pm

      The most horrific aspect of it all is that fairly clearly, the attacks were mounted because an attack OUT OF EGYPT killed an Israeli.

      Israel didn’t even bother to pretend the attack came from Gaza. It’s just that if an Israeli dies, many more others must be killed in response. Since it obviously would be foolish to mount a raid into Sinai at this particular juncture, Palestinians had to suffice.

      It is — literally — about as edifying as the guy who has a hard day at work and goes home and beats the wife. Naturally — like Israel — he pretends to pick a fight with her first — but we can all see what it’s actually all about.

      • Blake
        June 24, 2012, 3:48 pm

        Exactly, terrorize the Palestinians because they cannot fight back in their open air prison. For as long as “Israel” exists they will never have peace.

      • Mayhem
        June 25, 2012, 10:02 am

        @Colin, it’s a pity that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
        You concoct assumptions to suit your agenda. The attacks by Israel on Gaza have had nothing to do with the raid from Egypt that killed an Israel Arab worker.
        If you take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012 you can see an escalation in rocket attacks from Gaza in June.
        In fact these attacks have been going on month after month and more often than not Israel does not retaliate, because the attacks are futile.
        An Israeli soldier was killed after an incursion by a Palestinian fighter Ahmed Nassir on June 1 and “Israel responded with air strikes on terror facilities associated with Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, killing one militant and wounding two others.”
        Rocket attacks originating from Gaza followed by occasional reprisals from Israel is the pattern; if the Gazans want to stop the loss of life they only have to stop firing rockets and halt terrorist activity against Israel.
        But I guess that’s too much to ask as it goes against their fundamental beliefs.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 25, 2012, 10:36 am

        “Rocket attacks originating from Gaza followed by occasional reprisals from Israel is the pattern”

        False. Illegal blockade and other oppression and attacks with modern military weaponry against defenseless civilians is followed by fire-cracker rocket fire. THAT is the pattern.

      • Blake
        June 25, 2012, 8:49 pm

        Stuart Littlewood says it how it is: “Israeli forces inflict terror every day on Palestinian civic life. Yes, they complain loudly about the garden-shed rockets from Gaza and will tell you the exact number. But do they keep count of the number of state-of-the-art bombs, rockets and shells fired into Gaza by their tanks, jets, helicopter gunship, armed drones and navy warships? And the resulting mega-deaths and wholesale destruction of key infrastructure, much of which was paid for by us Western taxpayers?”

      • Annie Robbins
        June 27, 2012, 2:08 pm

        If you take a look at link to en.wikipedia.org
        you can see an escalation in rocket attacks from Gaza in June.
        In fact these attacks have been going on month after month and more often than not Israel does not retaliate

        nope. mayhem, wiki is a notorious site for pushing israel’s hasbara. anyone is able to trace the trajectory in our archives which i have done for the month of june here when fred was trying to push the same framing in another thread. it’s BS. for your edification:

        May 17
        Neverending Nakba: Israel breaks lull, attacks Gazan farmers


        (warning graphic)


        The Israeli army fired into the Gaza Strip on Thursday, injuring seven Palestinians in an incident that broke a relative lull in the coastal enclave, Palestinian and Israeli sources said.

        Palestinian medics said two of the wounded were in a critical condition. Three of those hit were elderly farmers, a hospital source said, but the identity of the other four was not immediately clear.

        The Israeli army said they shot at people who had approached the fence that separates Gaza from Israel in an area where Palestinian militants had previously planted bombs targeting their patrols.

        “Initial investigation of the incident suggests that tank shells were fired against the terrorists,” a military spokesman said.

        so who broke the lull fred. not that much different than this lull before israel massacred huda’s family: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/famous-killing-on-gaza-beach-broke-the-ceasefire-lead-to-operation-summer-rains.html

  14. CloakAndDagger
    June 24, 2012, 2:02 pm

    I don’t know if I feel more sorrow at the loss of an innocent child to equally innocent parents, or more disgust at the apartheid regime that does this repeatedly without censure, or mortified at the comments of the likes of Oleg on this site who project their own deceptive practices onto the victim by suggesting that this is some ploy for attention.

    I fervently pray Oleg, that you never have to be faced with the situation of holding your dead child in your hands, the victim of some cruel hands.

    May your god have mercy on your wretched soul.

    Moderators: Why is this not Nakba-denial (a Nakba-du-jour) ? Why is Oleg not banned for breaking this site’s rules ?

    • ColinWright
      June 24, 2012, 5:47 pm

      ‘Moderators: Why is this not Nakba-denial (a Nakba-du-jour) ? Why is Oleg not banned for breaking this site’s rules ?’

      Barring Oleg getting much worse, I’m averse to that.

      If we follow that road, we all wind up in widely separated little frog ponds, croaking only at the frogs that agree with us in the first place. It’s utterly pointless.

      • CloakAndDagger
        June 24, 2012, 8:08 pm

        There is a large part of me that agrees with you, however, in the past, people have been banned for following in Oleg’s footsteps. If there has been a change in policy, I wouldn’t argue against it, but enquiring minds would want to know.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 24, 2012, 11:55 pm

        C&D, have you written adam and phil? that is the best course of action. they probably do not read all the threads.

      • CloakAndDagger
        June 25, 2012, 12:32 am

        Well, I wanted to see if I was alone with this sentiment before escalating…

      • OlegR
        June 25, 2012, 3:46 pm

        By all means CloakAndDagger
        write to them…

    • proudzionist777
      June 25, 2012, 7:34 pm

      I don’t believe that Israel killed 12 year old Mohammed al-Dura. Maybe I should be banned too.

      BTW. The picnic blanket, the deflated soccer ball and the ballistic groupings all seem little bit contrived to me too.

      PS. Phil posted an article a while back that showed a picture of a Palestinian who’d been run over by an Israeli trailer. Guess what? It was a staged photo.

  15. Mooser
    June 24, 2012, 2:04 pm

    “you’ll have only shown readers what vile people Israel has rooting for it.”

    I keep on telling you, that is his intent. Anything he can add to anti-Jewish feeling, he will.
    While not enough affluent, educated Jews from Western countries are making Ali-oops, perhaps Oleg can encourage them by stirring up whatever hate and suspicion towards Jews he can. And if his stance happens to attract Jews to Israel who have socio-pathic or even psychopathic tendencies, that’s even better. They’ll fit right in.

  16. ColinWright
    June 24, 2012, 3:06 pm

    …and this is the prospect that awaits the Palestinians if they attempt to submit.

    For all eternity, every time something bad happens to Israel, she will turn on the Palestinians and beat them.

    …one reason why Israel can never endure. She is constitutionally incapable of giving her victims an out. Conquerors normally assimilate, are assimilated, exterminate, or some combination of the three (Spain in Mexico offers a good example of all the processes in operation at once. So does Spain herself, for that matter.)

    Israel’s very nature rules out the first two choices. Public relations constraints rule out the third. Her existence offers only an eternity of cruelty, humiliation, and hatred.

    This is one of several reasons why I, considering my choice of term carefully, consider Israel an abomination.

    • seafoid
      June 25, 2012, 11:11 am

      I would agree with that analysis. I think the ideology is too rigid to be sustainable. there is nothing for the Palestinians in Zionism. they don’t even exist. It goes back to the numbers problem with Judaism- only possible if your mother is.

  17. Hostage
    June 24, 2012, 3:37 pm

    Why did the Israeli military kill 13-year-old Ma’moun al-Dam?

    War is the most evil, destructive, and irrational undertaking that exists. Otherwise intelligent people extoll its virtues as if it is some kind of panacea for the ills of our troubled world. If you suggest that the right to wage war should be abolished, you’ll be ridiculed as some sort of nut or have your motives challenged. Those people who insist on reserving the right to exercise “war powers” and retaliate – even at the risk of slaughtering the innocents – are considered wise and a “light unto the Gentiles”.

    It’s utterly pointless to ask why a 13 year-old must die or to discuss “war crimes”. The death of these harmless little children illustrates that war is the crime. Any Jew who claims that we are living in a new messianic era needs to go and learn the meaning of Isaiah’s visions:

    And he shall judge between the nations and reprove many peoples, and they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift the sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.
    . . .
    Their feet run to evil, and they hasten to shed innocent blood; their thoughts are thoughts of wickedness; robbery and ruin are in their paths. The way of peace they do not know, and there is no justice in their paths; they have made themselves crooked paths; whoever goes on it knows no peace. Therefore, justice is far from us, and righteousness does not overtake us; we hope for light and behold there is darkness, for brightness, but we walk in gloom.

    • Mooser
      June 24, 2012, 5:48 pm

      “And he shall judge between the nations and reprove many peoples, . . ./…
      but we walk in gloom.”

      Where are the moderators? Have all restrictions on anti-Semitic material been lifted?

      • Danaa
        June 24, 2012, 7:27 pm

        What a great quote, Hostage. And how right you are about war. Our species sucks, what can I say – and Isiah said it well.

        But as Mooser notes the prophets’ work is downright anti-semitic. I just can’t understand why it is a permissble material – not just on MW but in synagogs and churches throughout the land. Can The Dersh sue the writers for libel?

      • American
        June 25, 2012, 1:39 am

        You want a light onto the gentiles?….try Twain

        The War Prayer
        by Mark Twain
        a.k.a. Samuel Clemens

        It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and sputtering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spreads of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country and invoked the God of Battles, beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpouring of fervid eloquence which moved every listener.

        It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety’s sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.

        Sunday morning came-next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their faces alight with material dreams-visions of a stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender!-then home from the war, bronzed heros, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation — “God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest, Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!”

        Then came the “long” prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was that an ever–merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them to crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory –

        An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher’s side and stood there, waiting.
        With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal,”Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord our God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!”

        The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside — which the startled minister did — and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said

        “I come from the Throne-bearing a message from Almighty God!” The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. “He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd and grant it if such shall be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import-that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of-except he pause and think.
        “God’s servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two- one uttered, the other not. Both have reached the ear of His Who hearth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this-keep it in mind. If you beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor’s crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.
        “You have heard your servant’s prayer-the uttered part of it. I am commissioned by God to put into words the other part of it-that part which the pastor, and also you in your hearts, fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these words: ‘Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!’ That is sufficient. The whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory-must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God the Father fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

        “O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle-be Thou near them! With them, in spirit, we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it-for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

        (After a pause)

        “Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits.”

        It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.


      • Danaa
        June 25, 2012, 10:45 pm

        Thanks for the great story, American. That Twain was one smart – and colorful – dude…

      • CloakAndDagger
        June 24, 2012, 8:17 pm

        What?? How is Hostage anti-semitic??

      • Danaa
        June 24, 2012, 10:22 pm

        CAD: “How is Hostage anti-semitic?”

        He dared to quote Isaiah. Mooser has a nose for these things…the Bible is, BTW, full of these anti-semitic pronouncement, which is why it should be banished, pronto, right?

      • CloakAndDagger
        June 25, 2012, 12:36 am

        I see.

        As someone who doesn’t read the bible, were I to re-quote this, I would have been inadvertently guilty of anti-semitism without knowing it? That’s one heck of a land mine to navigate around!

      • Hostage
        June 25, 2012, 8:09 am

        the Bible is, BTW, full of these anti-semitic pronouncement

        The ancient prophets were hopelessly biased against Israel and the Jews. Unlike the United Nations, which has to deal with hundreds of other issues, the ancient prophets were obsessed with delegitimizing Israel and the Jews and pursued that goal with a single-mindedness to the exclusion of all else.

        Can The Dersh sue the writers for libel?

        No, that would fall to the usual lawfare specialists in Shurat HaDin or Im Tirtzu. Abe Foxmann or Larry Klayman might file an amicus brief.

        Dersh’s role would be to libel the prophets in a series of Op-Eds which would explain that, like Judge Goldstone, the ancient prophets were bitter self-hating “Enemies of the Jewish people” and that conditions were actually much, much, worse in the Lands of the Gentiles.

      • MHughes976
        June 25, 2012, 9:32 am

        Part of the beauty and fascination of the Hebrew Bible is its portrayal of the Israelites as both exceptionally close to and exceptionally alienated from God.
        An important commentary on all moral endeavour.

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2012, 2:49 pm

        The ancient prophets were hopelessly biased against…/…and pursued that goal with a single-mindedness to the exclusion of all else”

        Kapos, every one of ’em! Mosers even!

      • Hostage
        June 27, 2012, 3:59 pm

        Mosers even!

        Jefferson had a moose shipped to him in Paris while he was serving as US minister to France (to shake-up old world thinking about America). Some modern day philosophers still think that a country, and even a cyberspace network, can learn a thing or two from Jefferson and the Moose. http://jeffersonsmoose.org/

        The ancient prophets were certainly guilty of trying to shake-up the complacent thinking of their listeners.

  18. Boycott Israel on Campus
    June 24, 2012, 4:11 pm

    Israel killed this child because there is nothing to stop them. There is not a single audible or visible movement to boycott Israel, to cut all ties with Israel, in all of North America.

    Instead, those few people inclined towards solidarity with Palestine are begging the Democrats to love them. And the best way to get Democrats to love you is to shut up about Palestine and promise them your votes despite EVERYTHING.

    You would free Palestine within one year if you were marching on City Councils and student governments demanding total boycott against Israel.

  19. seafoid
    June 24, 2012, 4:31 pm

    Why did the Israeli military kill 13-year-old Ma’moun al-Dam?

    Because Moshiach can only bring on paradise if this sort of thing secures Erez Israel for the Jewish people. And Gaza is full of Untermenschen according to this program.

  20. Kathleen
    June 24, 2012, 4:54 pm

    Another horrifying story. Rachel Maddow will not be saying anything about this human rights crime on her program. Why does Israel murder Palestinians …because they can

  21. seafoid
    June 24, 2012, 5:10 pm

    Why did the Israeli military kill 13-year-old Ma’moun al-Dam?

    Why does a dog lick its bollocks? Because it can

    I am waiting for some bot to turn up to tell me that the video angle was wrong and the child is still alive . Or that he was killed by a Gazan.

    • talknic
      June 25, 2012, 12:48 pm

      seafoid June 24, 2012 at 5:10 pm

      “Why does a dog lick its bollocks? Because it can”

      Nope. Because it needs to clean itself and no one else will do it for them after they’re weened.

      On the other hand, Israel has yet to be weened off of illegally acquiring Palestinian territory and the means to do it, US Military Aid.

  22. Egbert
    June 24, 2012, 5:55 pm

    Looks like the IDF are using DIME weaponry, designed to kill everyone within a radius of 12-25 feet of the center of explosion. The explosion releases a multitude of small fragments of tungsten that shred the victims resulting in massive instantaneous blood loss and death. The weapon was possibly a GBU-39 supplied by, you guessed it, the good ol’ US of A.

  23. atime forpeace
    June 24, 2012, 7:36 pm

    A: Cause they are the most moral army on the planet.

  24. Mayhem
    June 24, 2012, 10:14 pm

    Innocent until proven guilty’ is the normal way to deal with matters such as this.
    But not at Mondoweiss. This is seen as a fresh opportunity for emotive conjecture and innuendo.
    With nobody impartial on the ground to properly assess what happened we are left to the wild ruminations of the propagandists.

    • seafoid
      June 25, 2012, 9:00 am

      Innocent until proven guilty- what planet are you on? Israel rounds them up and throws them into administrative detention without charge for years.

    • talknic
      June 25, 2012, 12:44 pm

      Mayhem June 24, 2012 at 10:14 pm

      “Innocent until proven guilty’ is the normal way to deal with matters such as this”

      Welcome Mayhem,

      so nice of you to drop in and show us just how far from normal Israel is, thanks so much.

      “With nobody impartial on the ground to properly assess what happened”

      The IDF aren’t impartial? Who’d have thought?

      ” we are left to the wild ruminations of the propagandists.”

      Yes the usual Israeli Firsters have dropped in with some rather wild ruminations

  25. NickJOCW
    June 25, 2012, 4:20 am

    Why? They may have a quota to fill.

    • talknic
      June 25, 2012, 12:56 pm

      proudzionist777 June 25, 2012 at 12:26 pm

      Thanks for that pz777. Unfortunately accidents do happen, especially when one is limited to primarily home made un-guided rockets.

      Can you, without resorting to using Hasbara nonsense, explain the incredibly high civilian kill ratio achieved by Israel with all its fantastic guided, pinpoint accurate, high tech, US funded, human slaughtering equipment? Perhaps you could start with the incident in this article.

      • proudzionist777
        June 26, 2012, 7:06 am

        Sure. I will attempt to answer your question once you prove that the civilian death rate is any higher than the civilian death rate in Afghanistan, where US and NATO forces also use aircraft and guided missiles in great number.

      • talknic
        June 26, 2012, 11:18 am

        proudzionist777 June 26, 2012 at 7:06 am

        ” I will attempt to answer your question once you prove that the civilian death rate is any higher than the civilian death rate in Afghanistan, where US and NATO forces also use aircraft and guided missiles in great number”

        A greater wrong and a lesser wrong have something in common pz777

        They’re BOTH wrong

        (wondering what there is to be ‘proud’ of, sure isn’t logic)

      • OlegR
        June 26, 2012, 1:22 pm

        Nope wrong arument talknic.

        Civillians get hurt in every war unfortunately.
        So when you talk about
        “incredibly high civilian kill ratio” you have no choice but to go
        into such comparisons of where lies the lesser evil.
        War is an evil on it’s own there is no other way to discuss war
        but in terms of where the lesser evil lies.

      • justicewillprevail
        June 26, 2012, 2:21 pm

        What a load of excuse-making rubbish. Civilians in Palestine don’t get hurt, they are not at war – they get deliberately targetted, harassed and are subject to violence, imprisonment without trial and lethal force by an occupying militia. There is no comparison, and your asinine excuses are pathetic. If you want to talk about evil, study Israel’s actions towards Palestinians.

      • Hostage
        June 26, 2012, 3:11 pm

        Nope wrong arument talknic. . . . Civillians get hurt in every war unfortunately.

        In Regina v Jones (2006) the Law Lords accepted the proposition that the core elements of the crime of aggression have been understood, at least since 1945, with sufficient clarity to permit the lawful trial (and, on conviction, punishment) of those accused of this most serious crime. They said that: “It is unhistorical to suppose that the elements of the crime were clear in 1945 but have since become in any way obscure.”

        The ICJ has adopted the customary definition of aggression, but it will not become part of that Court’s jurisdiction until it has been ratified by a sufficient number of states. In the mean time, any state can exercise universal jurisdiction over the crime as the Law Lords noted in the Regina v Jones decision. The fact is that Israel has publicized its Dahiya doctrine which does amount to the crime of aggression.

      • talknic
        June 27, 2012, 3:50 pm

        OlegR June 26, 2012 at 1:22 pm

        “Civillians get hurt in every war unfortunately”

        That’s why the GC’s exist. Israel PURPOSEFULLY encourages Israeli CIVILIANS to illegally settle in “territories occupied”, thereby endangering them in the ongoing war of 1948, waged by Israel on what remained of Palestine after Israel was Declared independent of Palestine. Israel even allows its illegal settlers to be armed, thereby turning them into belligerents who have no protection under the Laws of War.

        OF WAR ON LAND
        SECTION I
        CHAPTER I
        The Qualifications of Belligerents
        Article 1.

        The laws, rights, and duties of war apply not only to armies, but also to militia and volunteer corps fulfilling the following conditions:

        To be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

        To have a fixed distinctive emblem recognizable at a distance;

        To carry arms openly; and

        To conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

        “War is an evil on it’s own there is no other way to discuss war
        but in terms of where the lesser evil lies

        What bullsh*te. The lesser evil is not to wage un-necessary war at all, especially for someone else’s territory.

        Furthermore the war “in Afghanistan” is not the war in Palestine.

        The war has never been in Israel BTW. No UNSC resolutions call for peace in Israel.

  26. talknic
    June 25, 2012, 1:07 pm

    And he shall judge between the nations and reprove many peoples, and they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift the sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore


    The promised destiny for mankind is the establishment of the humane pure life and this will come when justice is pervasive across the globe and every single human being will enjoy respect and dignity. That will be the time when mankind’s path to moral and spiritual perfectness will be opened and his journey to God and the manifestation of God’s divine names will come true. Mankind should excel to represent God’s “knowledge and wisdom”, His “compassion and benevolence”, His “justice and fairness”, His “power and art” and His “kindness and forgiveness”. These will all come true under the rule of the Perfect Man, the last Divine Source on earth Hazrat Mahdi, Peace be upon him, an offspring of the Prophet of Islam, who will re-engage and Jesus Christ, Peace be upon him and other pious men will accompany him in the accomplishment of this grand universal mission. And this is the belief in Entezar, awaiting patiently for the Imam to return, waiting with patience for the rule of goodness and the governance of the best he promises. Which is a universal human notion and which is a source of nations’ hope for the betterment of the world.

    They will come and with the help of righteous people and true believers will materialize the man’s long-standing desires for freedom, perfectness, maturity and security and tranquility, peace and beauty. They will come to put an end to war and aggression and present the entire knowledge to the world as well as spirituality and friendship to the whole world.

    BTW guess who said this:

    Inscribed on the walls outside this building is the great Biblical vision of peace: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation. They shall learn war no more.” These words were spoken by the Jewish prophet Isaiah 2,800 years ago as he walked in my country, in my city, in the hills of Judea and in the streets of Jerusalem.

    • talknic
      June 25, 2012, 1:29 pm

      PS to June 25, 2012 at 1:07 pm

      “..my city, in the hills of Judea and in the streets of Jerusalem.”

      I guess the speaker hasn’t ever bothered to read THIS!!!. But if he had and by his position one might assume he had must have, surely he wouldn’t have the audacity to stand in front of the UN and LIE?



      Or would he?

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