Pollard ‘never brought harm to the red white and blue/Only was concerned for the white and the blue’

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Right-wing Israeli hiphop artist SHI 360 has a new song out about Jonathan Pollard called “Yonathan (He Should Be Released).” Some of the lyrics:

he never brought harm to the red, white, and blue
only his concern for the white and the blue
never compromised intel – they all knew
never charged with treason – and this is all true

…Yonathan was indicted for only one thing

passing information to the allies’ hands

saved lives, never jeopardised the home range

but in came Casper – and then it all changed

He should be released, enough is enough, It’s the just thing to do

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  1. Woody Tanaka
    July 12, 2012, 9:43 am

    “he never brought harm to the red, white, and blue”

    And exactly how do we know this? If the israelis are so sure that this traitor did not harm the USA, as the Court found, then they would open the entirety of their military and intelligence archives and records — entirely and without reservation — make available any israeli to answer any and all questions — in full, truthfully and without any reservation — and permit unlimited inspections of any and all places it wishes — at any time, without any restrictions or conditions whatsoever — to a team of independant investigators, to do a thorough search for all of this material, trace what the zios did with it and then come to some conclusions about whether the USA was harmed. Absent a willingness to to do all that, the israelis can go take a long walk off a short pier. Pollard is lucky he got off as lightly as he did. We were too easy on him.

    • Shegetz
      July 12, 2012, 11:17 am

      They could always free Pollard and give him the ‘Vanunu treatment’. It would probably make his current imprisonment seem like a ‘Club Med’ experience.

  2. CloakAndDagger
    July 12, 2012, 10:28 am

    Good. I hope they release Pollard under pressure.

    That should trigger the long-awaited revolt.

  3. radii
    July 12, 2012, 1:10 pm

    Pollard should only be allowed out of his cell if it is for a walk to the gallows

  4. Abu Malia
    July 12, 2012, 2:07 pm

    There are plenty of jingoistic (God & Country types) zealots in the US intelligence and security apparatus (picture Tommy Lee Jones’ character in US Marshals) who would feel profoundly humiliated if this Rat goes free.

    But then again, I once heard Phil Geraldi (or was it Paul Pillar?) on the Scott Horton talk-show complain, that over 200 FBI investigations into nefarious Israeli activities in the United States have been squashed by act of Congress.

    If a revolt happens, as CloakAndDager wishes, it probably won’t come from career obsessed bureaucrats of any stripe. It would be a bottom-up revolt by the global hoi poloi.

  5. ColinWright
    July 12, 2012, 2:08 pm

    Pollard should be released — and then everything he did should be disclosed, and everyone should have their snout firmly rubbed in that, and in just why he was released, and in what it is that we support.

    • Abu Malia
      July 12, 2012, 4:14 pm

      @ ColinWright I suspect they’ll turn down your offer. As powerful as these people are, they’d have managed to get him paroled. The problem of course is any parole would most definitely be conditioned on him being debriefed by the boys he stole from.

  6. MRW
    July 12, 2012, 2:28 pm

    “Yonathan was indicted for only one thing
    passing information to the allies’ hands
    saved lives, never jeopardised the home range”

    Whose home range? He was an American then. What he did was the greatest threat to THIS country’s national security in 200 years.

    He was not indicted for only one thing. He was convicted of espionage. According to Ron Olive, the Assistant Special Agent at US Navy Counterintelligence who cracked the case, in a BBC interview:

    “Pollard stole so many documents, so highly classified, more so than any other spy in the history of this country, in such a short period of time”. The case, said Olive, was the worst he had ever seen and it “devastated the entire [US] Intelligence Community.”

    http://intelnews.org/2012/06/11/01-1010/

    Olive ends the ten-minute interview by reminding listeners that “Pollard never, ever, in his life showed remorse for this”. As to why he thinks Pollard did what he did, Olive responds by stating: “What was motivating Jonathan Pollard was the number one thing that has motivated people to turn traitor and betray their country for decades and centuries: greed, money. Now, though, now he pretends that it was for the love of Israel, only. And now he has tens of thousands of supporters trying to get him out of jail”.

    It was known then that Israel was giving the documents to Russia.

    • Keith
      July 13, 2012, 12:45 am

      MRW- The thing which has always bothered me about the Pollard case is how is it possible for any one person to steal so much information? Any system which can be so totally compromised by one individual is a horseshit system. Same with Bradley Manning. While I support Bradley Manning, I have to wonder how it is possible that he was able to do what he did? Something doesn’t seem quite right when a system is this vulnerable. Particularly in the case of Pollard where there were serious repercussions.

      • Fredblogs
        July 13, 2012, 2:27 pm

        Ah, so you are in favor of betraying America, as long as it is the Muslims and/or Arabs that benefit and not the Jews. Got it.

        Me, I say let ’em both rot.

      • Keith
        July 13, 2012, 7:56 pm

        FREDBLOGS- If you are referring to my comment concerning Bradley Manning, I don’t consider whistle blowing on reprehensible actions by a corrupt and secretive government to be “betraying America.” Quite to the contrary, I consider the exposure of these imperial wrongdoings to be a defense of the republican citizenry and of decent folks everywhere. As for the part about favoring the Muslims over the Jews, that is pure slander, not to be taken seriously except, perhaps, as an indication of your warped mind.

      • ColinWright
        July 14, 2012, 1:01 am

        I’m curious. What intel did Bradley Manning turn over to ‘the Muslims and/or Arabs’?

    • ColinWright
      July 13, 2012, 4:28 am

      My understanding is that Pollard turned over a list of our operatives in Russia to Israel, Israel sold the list to Russia in exchange for more Jews, and the Russians seized and executed the operatives.

      …and that is why many are pissed, and will spill these particular beans if Pollard is paroled.

      • Fredblogs
        July 13, 2012, 2:28 pm

        Well, your understanding is wrong. Nobody who knows anything has said that he did that, the closest anyone has come to claiming that is an admitted guess from a guy who thinks the U.S. was behind the 9/11 attacks.

      • ColinWright
        July 14, 2012, 1:04 am

        Somebody said it — and I imagine I read it in a mainstream source (this site is actually pretty much an exception to my usual haunts). I tend to avoid avowedly ideological sites.

        It was offered as an explanation as to why so many in the US intelligence community are so completely opposed to releasing Pollard.

        How can you be so sure it’s not true?

      • ColinWright
        July 14, 2012, 1:58 am

        Here, this isn’t exactly gilt-edged — but I don’t care all that much to begin with, and I doubt anything could be verified.

        “…According to CIA sources, Pollard provided Israeli intelligence with names of important American agents inside the former Soviet Union and Russia who had supplied information on East Bloc weapons and war plans. How the agents’ names were linked to the secrets they supplied – a major breach of basic intelligence security – remains a mystery. Some of the enormously sensitive secrets stolen by Pollard may have been either sold, or bartered, by Israel to the Soviet Union…”

        At a guess, the last inference was drawn from the abrupt disappearance of the agents in question.

        The source has the dubious merit of being interested in traitors in general rather than in impugning Israel. That’s something.

        http://www.marzone.com/corpsman/RF-01.htm

        So there you have it. National Enquirer grade intel. Confirm it, refute it, or ignore it, as you see fit.

    • ColinWright
      July 14, 2012, 2:04 am

      “…It was known then that Israel was giving the documents to Russia…”

      That’s really the kicker. People are straining at a gnat and swallowing the whale.

      Pollard is just one miserable little Sh__. Who cares what happens to him?

      But people are ignoring the minor detail that a country that couldn’t last six months without our support spied on us, stole all she could, and turned it all over to the only serious enemy we had.

      And that’s cool? Let Pollard go — but sever ties with Israel.

  7. Les
    July 12, 2012, 3:46 pm

    When the resurrection takes place of the executed agents named in Pollard’s documents, good Christians can support the springing of Pollard from prison.

  8. ColinWright
    July 12, 2012, 3:58 pm

    Assuming Israel is rational (which is admittedly unwarranted), they don’t actually want Pollard released.

    It’s not like he has any more useful information to reveal. Where he is, he’s a martyr (to what, is best left undiscussed). Get him released, and all sorts of bitter, mean-spirited people are going to let all sorts of cats out of their various bags.

    Israel needs to pretend they want Pollard released. But I think they’re really quite happy to have him where he is.

    • Fredblogs
      July 13, 2012, 2:31 pm

      They don’t need to pretend that they want him released. In fact it would be better for them to just not bring up the subject. I love how people here assume that everything Jews do is deception.

      • Woody Tanaka
        July 13, 2012, 3:02 pm

        No, people believe that everything ISRAEL does is deception, and everything ZIONISTS do is deception. Because experience is a great teacher.

      • ColinWright
        July 14, 2012, 1:19 am

        Israel is awesomely dishonest.

        Others will lie — but the lies always come as fragments, essentially tossed in in a primitive effort to cover up something unpalatable. The truth always tends to lurk in the background, the context in which the lie exists.

        Compared to these pygmies, Israel is like a Beethoven set against some kid banging a pot with a ladle.

        Israel builds whole universes of lies. The lies reference other lies, that in turn are derived from other lies still, that rest upon still more deeply imbedded lies, that…

        It can get morbidly fascinating. Israel even has different species of lies. There are the lies that are actually intended to be believed, the lies that are only intended to allow others to lie to themselves, the lies that aren’t intended to be believed at all, but on the contrary, to communicate a truth that Israel could never openly admit, the lies that are meant to communicate one thing to one group but something else entirely to another. There are lies that are expressed in words, lies that are expressed in actions, lies that are expressed by implication…

        One could write a whole book on it — volumes. The infinite and dizzying array of Israel’s lies, the interrelationship of these lies, and their function. It could be an academic specialty. People could build their careers on it. There could be journals, arguing for and against various competing theories of the Israel lie…

      • Roya
        July 13, 2012, 3:09 pm

        A Zionist who doesn’t want Pollard released? Interesting.

      • Woody Tanaka
        July 13, 2012, 3:44 pm

        “A Zionist who doesn’t want Pollard released? Interesting.”

        Of course, Fredo knows that more damage will be done to israel if Pollard is released, and it can continue to use his imprisonment as a rallying cry, so he will support it, because he believes that israel will benefit. If all facts were the same, but Pollard’s release would benefit israel, he would be calling for his release.

      • ColinWright
        July 14, 2012, 1:05 am

        ‘I love how people here assume that everything Jews do is deception.’

        You certainly don’t deceive anybody. I have to grant that.

  9. doug
    July 12, 2012, 4:46 pm

    There have been claims that Pollard sold critical, top secret intel to Israel and that it was then traded with the Russians in exchange for info or actions the Israel’s wanted.

    Since everyone presumes Israel is our ally while Russia isn’t, why is it that Israel doesn’t have a visa waiver program with the US but does with Russia?

    • Les
      July 12, 2012, 7:38 pm

      Israel sets its foreign policy ahead of any other country including the US. The US sets its foreign policy according to what it perceives Israel wants. Our government has a boycott of pistachios from Iran in support of you know who. Meanwhile Israelis eat pistachios from Iran. Israel’s foreign policy is independent of ours.

  10. Carowhat
    July 12, 2012, 7:28 pm

    One thing I don’t understand–why doesn’t Israel return the documents that Pollard stole. Would the sight of an entire roomful of documents make clear the enormity of his crime and Israel doesn’t want the bad publicity? Israel can’t return the documents because it doesn’t have them anymore–it gave them to Russia? Even so, it must have photocopies.

    Perhaps Israel doesn’t want to return them because then we would know what Pollard actually stole (which isn’t perfectly clear right now) and more to the point, we would know who helped him steal them. So Israel doesn’t want to do this because it would help identify the US mole who told Pollard what Israel wanted?

    There is so much garbage and disinformation around Pollard. We ought to keep him till Israel comes clean. If Romney on his upcoming trip to Israel promises to let Pollard go, then that will be another reason to vote against him–he can’t distinguish between his Israeli masters and the people he is constitutionally supposed to serve.

  11. dbroncos
    July 13, 2012, 1:14 am

    “Israel needs to pretend they want Pollard released. But I think they’re really quite happy to have him where he is.”

    -CW

    Israel has made it clear they want Pollard released. In 1997, Netanyahu tried to use him as a bargaining chip with Clinton in exchange for his willingness to implement some of Israel’s Oslo obligations. Clinton refused, saying that it would be impossible for him to do so because it would infuriate people in the ranks of the military and national security establishments. And Clinton was right. Admiral Mc Gonigle was so incensed by Netanyahu’s request to have Pollard released that he officially broke his 30 year long silence about what happened to the USS Liberty (Mc Gonigle was captain of the ship when it was attacked).

    But who really knows why they want him released? Some possiblities:

    1. Pollard is viewed as a ‘POW’ in the fight for the survival of the Jewish State.
    2. Israel is testing America’s fealty to Israel.
    3. Israel wants him to disappear from view and become inaccessable to those who see
    him as a constant reminder of Israeli betrayal against US.
    4. Pollard had accomplices who are still at large and as long as he remains in US custody those accomplices have a better chance of being revealed.

    • ColinWright
      July 14, 2012, 1:11 am

      “Israel has made it clear they want Pollard released.”

      I still suspect it’s a patti-cake game. Israel has to pretend they want Pollard released — he’s so representative of so many pathetic geeks who subsume their own inadequacies in Israel-love and Israel wouldn’t want to alienate this constituency — but I don’t see why they would want him, for the reasons I have given.

  12. Kathleen
    July 13, 2012, 11:00 am

    SHI 360 is a liar

  13. LanceThruster
    July 13, 2012, 11:59 am

    I can’t think of anything more terrifying than to be a covert operative behind enemy lines whose cover is blown. Literally *anything* could be done to these people behind closed doors (prior to eventual execution).

    While I’m not in the slightest favor of releasing Pollard, there might be some value in rendition to a nation that might use him as a bargaining chip for better treatment of their own detainees.

    • Fredblogs
      July 13, 2012, 2:33 pm

      Which of course is illegal. His sentence is to an American prison and that is where he will stay.

      • LanceThruster
        July 13, 2012, 5:30 pm

        Wait!

        Rendition is illegal?

        We must not be doing it then.

        *We’re* the good guys, nu?

    • Roya
      July 13, 2012, 3:08 pm

      There’s American prisoners in Israel?

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