New NY commuter ads seek to justify Islamophobia

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New Metro North ads

Last month we did several posts about the awesome maps ad that ran on Metro-North commuter stations in New York, chronicling Palestinian dispossession.

Well the other side is fighting back. Writes a friend, “This sign is on all the local railway stations from Croton to Grand Central!” I’m told it is underwritten by the American Freedom Defense Initiative, the Pamela Geller outfit.

The AFDI also sponsored that San Francisco Muni ad: “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man…. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.”

I’m glad the issue is being politicized. An open discussion, and debate over the facts, are in the interest of those who seek justice in this conflict. That said, can you imagine an ad saying, “It’s not anti-semitism, it’s realism about Jews?” and that then listed Israeli war crimes? Thanks to Andrew Courtney.

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  1. Cliff
    August 14, 2012, 11:50 am

    How many American attacks have there been in ‘Islamic’ blah blahs since 9/11 or better yet, before 9/11?

    How many Israeli attacks have there been in ‘Islamic’ blah blahs since 9/11 or better yet, before 9/11?

    How about we question the context of this ‘Islamic’ monolith first?

    What is the definition and the parameters? I’m sure resident racists/bigots/Islamophobes/Jewish nationalists, hophmi, gulag-g, blobs and company will chime in to elaborate.

    Let’s take it a step further though AND in a different direction:

    X # of Jewish MEDIA/GOVERNMENTAL/ETC. positions/offices/organizational fundings and infrastructure established with governmental funding SINCE or better yet, before 9/11 =====> HENCE, JEWS CONTROL THE WORLD *evil scientist laugh*

    Seriously, these ads are inherently propagandistic. They can only fit a small amount of information. So you have to be as honest as you can.

    Simply showing numbers isn’t enough, especially framing terrorism as ‘Islamic attacks’ in pure numbers and only SINCE 9/11 as if that is when terrorism began historically.

    Like as in, terrorism begins when ‘they’ hurt us first and we never did anything to them to precipitate such animosities or hatreds or blah blah.

    F***ing stupid. But then again, that’s who these ads are aimed at. The stupid, stupid ignorant people who may be professionals even but when it comes to political issues they are emotionally invested in deeply (like our resident Jewish nationalists with American citizenship) are totally certifiable insane.

  2. CloakAndDagger
    August 14, 2012, 11:53 am

    How about Deadly American attacks since 9/11 – over 1,000,000 in Iraq alone

  3. hughsansom
    August 14, 2012, 12:05 pm

    There’s an asterisk by the number “19,250” that seems to point to “and counting” at the center right. If not, I’m curious what it does point to.

    I find these claims about attacks since 9/11 very interesting. “19,250” deadly Islamic attacks since 9/11 — in the United States? Obviously not. Not even delusional moronic racists like Geller are claiming 19,250 dead in the US in post-9/11 attacks. And it’s not 19,250 in Israel. Nor is it Europe. So they’re including attacks in Arab and Muslim states. The source of the number is no doubt the imagination of someone like Dennis Ross, or anyone at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

    The obvious follow-up: “NN,NNN deadly Israeli attacks since 9/11.” I’m probably understating the number of attacks there by a factor of 10 or so.

    This will escalate until some local government or MTA flunky tries to silence it. Since they will want to silence pro-Palestinian voices but not pro-Israel ones, there will be some hollow gesture toward content-neutrality that will have the effect of limiting voices to the ones politicians obey.

    • MLE
      August 14, 2012, 2:29 pm

      They’re also probably counting the insurgent attacks on forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      • ishq
        August 16, 2012, 11:53 am

        So, we invade and occupy 2 sovern nations and these goons call the people who are naturally fighting their oppressors terrorists and count their fighting against us against them? What? Imagine if China invaded the US, and drove around in their humvees shooting anything that moves, wouldn’t we be fighting them to reclaim our society, government, and natural resources from them? Wake up America — we are the terrorists!

  4. Chu
    August 14, 2012, 12:13 pm

    Orwellian in nature.

    Above that should be a LED signage indicating the daily hectares that Project Israel takes every day. At least that would be focused in scope compared to the global Jihadi number of 19,250 attacks. Are these deadly attacks cyber attacks and attacks against women? Surely they are to puff up the value.

  5. David Samel
    August 14, 2012, 12:24 pm

    Where the hell did they get that number? There have been about 4000 days since 9/11. There have been an average of five deadly Islamic attacks per day since then? My guess is that they are totaling all of the deaths in Egypt, Libya, Syria over the past couple years, or possibly sectarian fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and considering each to be a deadly Islamic attack. What an outrageous misrepresentation. By that method, what would be the number of Western deadly attacks on Muslims? Hundreds of thousands at least, probably well over a million. Are there no limits where facts are concerned? Would the MTA publish billboards saying that only 14,000 Jews died in the Holocaust?

    By the way, almost all MW readers, possibly even the hophmis and Fredblogs, would dismiss these billboards as nonsense, but we should not make the mistake of assuming that everyone would feel the same way. People have a tendency to gullibly believe any BS that supports their cherished position, and will take at face value this factoid and spread it around with conviction and certainty.

    • eljay
      August 14, 2012, 12:48 pm

      >> By that method, what would be the number of Western deadly attacks on Muslims?

      Zero. The West delivers only “freedom”, “democracy” and “justice” to Muslims.

    • FreddyV
      August 14, 2012, 12:58 pm

      @David Samel:

      ‘Where the hell did they get that number? There have been about 4000 days since 9/11. There have been an average of five deadly Islamic attacks per day since then?’

      I’m number blind (dyscalculia), so I completely missed that.

      Awesome! I can’t wait for my usual slew of Islamaphobic emails.

      • ColinWright
        August 14, 2012, 2:38 pm

        ‘Where the hell did they get that number? There have been about 4000 days since 9/11. There have been an average of five deadly Islamic attacks per day since then?’

        I imagine every act of violence in Iraq becomes an ‘Islamic attack.’

        Logically, one could get a fine large number. Muslims are a fifth of humanity. If every act of violence committed by a Muslim becomes an ‘Islamic attack’ one could get a figure in the millions if that was what was desired.

    • David Samel
      August 14, 2012, 9:16 pm

      Mystery solved! Where did the American Freedom Defense Initiative, led by Pamela Geller, get her statistic from? From herself, a Pamela Geller website, http://thereligionofpeace.com/. Apparently, those pesky Muslims have left the measly figure of 19,250 way behind and have climbed to 19,436 as of this writing. Click on the link and view how well-supported this numerical figure is.

    • piotr
      August 23, 2012, 11:00 am

      Perhaps they include “freedom fighters” in Syria that are supported by US and allies, plus attacks by roughly the same people in Iraq and Yemen. There is good al-Qaeda in Syria, “we do not care anymore” in Iraq and “bad” in Yemen.

      Clearly, Muslim countries have their problems. Before it was South Americans that were so bad that freedom friendly governments had to kill them by tens of thousands (totals for the period 1950-1990 are in hundreds of thousands). Interestingly, some neo-cons who are mongering hatred against Islam were engaged in South America.

      Earlier there were “savage natives” that civilized colonial administrators had to cull. Defense of freedom never ends.

  6. Dan Crowther
    August 14, 2012, 12:39 pm

    Wow. I’ll say it again, I think its great that these signs are going up. They leave nothing for these whack-jobs to hid behind.

    • CloakAndDagger
      August 14, 2012, 1:48 pm

      Dan,

      That is only true if a counter-campaign is launched to either debate or debunk these and equivalent media coverage of the counter-ads is provided.

      Otherwise, it is an unbalanced debate, and in the “Sadam has nukes” meme, will be the predominant impression that will persist.

      And they know this.

      • Dan Crowther
        August 14, 2012, 4:36 pm

        This is more like the guy holding the “you’re all going to hell” placard on the Subway – to read the sign is to realize the people behind it are Fcked.
        But I do get what you’re saying.

  7. Donald
    August 14, 2012, 12:42 pm

    I just put up something that was almost identical to what Phil said at the end, so I’ve deleted it. (Not sure how that happened. I might have skimmed the article so fast I didn’t consciously absorb the last paragraph and then reproduced it almost word for word. Or else great minds think alike. That must be it.) But yeah, this is amazing. It shows how deeply ingrained tolerance for Islamophobia is in our society.

    • American
      August 14, 2012, 4:32 pm

      “”It shows how deeply ingrained tolerance for Islamophobia is in our society….Donald”

      No it doesn’t.
      It shows what the zionist ‘society’ will do to try and arouse more and spread it in American society. If it was already wide spread enough to have their desired effect they wouldn’t need to keep it up.
      The zionist society is not ‘our’ society……..remember zionist belong to the Zionist and Israeli Nation, not the American nation.

      • Donald
        August 14, 2012, 8:40 pm

        “No it doesn’t.”

        I overstated it maybe. Lots of people reject Islamophobia, but there’s a segment that embraces it. It probably includes or overlaps with the people that think Obama is a foreign born Muslim. I think it was this website that linked to a story about Governor Christie criticizing Islamophobia in the Republican party and when you went to the link at some rightwing blog the comments were full of Muslim haters.

        In this case, though, I was thinking of whoever made the bureaucratic decision to allow this ad to go up when I made that statement. As Phil said (and I nearly repeated), the comparable ad on the other side would be blatantly anti-semitic and would never be allowed up. And rightly so, but somehow it was okay to balance a reasonable ad criticizing Israeli behavior with one that is blatantly Islamophobic.

      • American
        August 14, 2012, 9:21 pm

        @ Donald

        Yes there are those segments here. But I think for the most part Americans have avoided Muslim hate. Not because our society is all “that’ better…maybe just because we are ‘move on” types or whatever.
        Oddly enough for a smallish town in my location we have a number of Muslims, Arabs and Palestine-Israeli Arabs that fit well with nary a problem…not even a blip in the hysteria of 911.

      • ritzl
        August 15, 2012, 12:57 pm

        It’s not enough to speculate that the antisemitic ad wouldn’t be allowed up. By accepting this ad, Metro-North shows that it would have to be. Without a response in kind, any mental note or displaced comparison to the racism in this ad becomes hypothetical and abstract. People will move on carrying the subliminal uncontested-ness of this ad’s message. Geller’s mission accomplished.

        I think a blatantly antisemitic ad has to be displayed to explicitly make the point that this ad would be uber-objectionable if it were describing any other group. thankgodimaetheist posted a link to a pix of a settler t-shirt asking the question: “Are you Jewish? Yes=Life. No=Death.” That would be a good start with the ad copy, “Your tax dollars bought this shirt. End US aid to Israel.” Fight fire with back-fire.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2012/08/nyt-publishes-op-ed-saying-there-are-too-many-palestinians-and-arabs-in-israel.html#comment-487225

  8. eljay
    August 14, 2012, 12:44 pm

    Never mind 9/11 – how many deadly Israeli Islamic attacks have there been since the Holocaust?!

  9. Chu
    August 14, 2012, 1:01 pm

    It’s humorous that they have to tell us in the ad that it’s not islamophobia folks, but Islamorealism. AFDI agitprop dept must be working overtime on this catchy phrasing.

    I cant tell from the image, but it looks like electric lighting is backlighting the number 19,250. Does it also blink at intervals to scare our fellow commuters? May I suggest adding a built-in luftwaffen siren to enhance the entire affect of this message.

  10. Fredblogs
    August 14, 2012, 2:27 pm

    The number is meaningless without knowing what they are counting. For one thing, is it deaths or attacks they are counting? If one attack results in 10 deaths, does that add one or 10 to the total? To get the number that high they are probably counting deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq. Which it could be argued is fair when they target civilians, but not terribly fair to count when they target soldiers.

  11. hophmi
    August 14, 2012, 2:28 pm

    “I’m glad the issue is being politicized. An open discussion, and debate over the facts, are in the interest of those who seek justice in this conflict. ”

    This is not a debate over the facts. The issue is not being “politicized.” It’s being polemicized. Neither of these two extremes is offering any constructive solution.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 14, 2012, 2:42 pm

      stop30billion is offering a constructive solution, but not being an extremist group this isn’t applicable to your comment. there are not extreme people on the other side of the issue placing ads as far as i know. let me know if you run into islamic extremists placing billboards around your town tho.

  12. ColinWright
    August 14, 2012, 2:35 pm

    Where does this end?

    Billboards accusing Jews of killing Christ? Ads describing Christianity’s history of intolerance and slaughter?

    • OlegR
      August 14, 2012, 6:24 pm

      With the slight difference that Jews didn’t kill Christ and
      that Christianity has a history of intolerance and slaughter though much diminished now then a few hundreds years ago.

      • ColinWright
        August 14, 2012, 11:12 pm

        “With the slight difference that Jews didn’t kill Christ and
        that Christianity has a history of intolerance and slaughter though much diminished now then a few hundreds years ago.”

        That’s exactly my point, you monumental…Zionist. Nor is it reasonable to accuse ‘Muslims’ (as if they were some kind of Borg collective) of having carried out ‘19,250 deadly Islamic attacks since 9/11.’

      • OlegR
        August 15, 2012, 3:19 am

        Stating a fact (assuming the numbers are correct) is not accusing all Muslims
        it’s stating a fact.
        If there were indeed X Islamic attacks then hiding it because it’s uncomfortable to “Muslims” is not a good idea either.

      • Shmuel
        August 15, 2012, 3:54 am

        assuming the numbers are correct

        Why would we do that, knowing their source? The problem is not just with “the numbers” however, but with the concept of “Islamic attack”. Geller and her buddies do not recognise any other circumstances or motivation. If violence is perpetrated by Muslims or presumed Muslims, the cause must necessarily be their religion. The point of the ad is to identify Islam as “evil”. I have long argued at this site against the essentialist approach to Judaism: interpreting anything bad that Jews do as an expression of the inherent nature of the Jewish religion. That is precisely what Geller and company do with Islam. In both cases, it is ahistorical, dishonest and racist.

        The ad also uses the term “Islamobhobia”, which means prejudice against Muslims. The ad thus asserts that there is no such thing as prejudice against Muslims, because all the bad things you may believe about them are actually true! Again, a racist statement.

      • Woody Tanaka
        August 15, 2012, 8:41 am

        “Stating a fact (assuming the numbers are correct) is not accusing all Muslims
        it’s stating a fact.”

        So then if we were to add up the number of people who’ve been involved in financial fraud over the last decade who had Jewish ancestry (assuming the numbers are correct), you would have no problem with a sign warning people about “20,000 Jewish Financial Crimes”?

      • eljay
        August 15, 2012, 9:11 am

        >> Stating a fact (assuming the numbers are correct) is not accusing all Muslims it’s stating a fact.
        >> If there were indeed X Islamic attacks then hiding it because it’s uncomfortable to “Muslims” is not a good idea either.

        Good. So, no more accusations of anti-Semitism the next time some Jews – but not all Jews – are accused of, among other things, terrorism, conspiracy, destruction, supremacism, rape, duplicity, murder, theft and oppression.

        After all, hiding Judaic crimes just because they’re uncomfortable to “Jews” is not a good idea.

      • Abuadam
        August 15, 2012, 6:37 am

        How many Christians were slaughtered by Yemini Jews (you know before OSMA’S ANCESTORS converted to Islam), in the 5th century or is 6th.

        Better yet how many Jews were saved by the Muslims over the centurys from Christian slaughter circa 7th century upto the 1948 ethnic cleansing of Palestinians .

      • OlegR
        August 15, 2012, 9:19 am

        How is it relevant to the events of let’s say the last 20 years in the world?

      • Abuadam
        August 15, 2012, 7:01 pm

        Read your words Olga, you have the memory of a nat!

        “With the slight difference that Jews didn’t kill Christ and
        that Christianity has a history of intolerance and slaughter though much diminished now then a few hundreds years ago”

        then you have the chutzpah to say

        “How is it relevant to the events of let’s say the last 20 years in the world?”

        History always seems to nick your delusionary bubble doesn’t it!

      • Woody Tanaka
        August 15, 2012, 8:50 am

        “With the slight difference that Jews didn’t kill Christ”

        Well, some of the Jews who were alive at the time had a hand in getting the Romans to execute him. It’s all there in the New Testament. (Or at least that’s what the largest denomination of Christians beleive. Go ask the Vatican.)

      • OlegR
        August 15, 2012, 10:01 am

        /Or at least that’s what the largest denomination of Christians beleive. Go ask the Vatican./

        They also believe in eating the symbolic body and drinking the symbolic blood of a long dead Jew, so?

      • eljay
        August 15, 2012, 10:33 am

        >> They also believe in eating the symbolic body and drinking the symbolic blood …

        The body and blood are not symbolic – thanks to transubstantiation, they are the real body and blood of the Son of Gawd Hisself! How cool is that?! :-)

      • Woody Tanaka
        August 15, 2012, 10:43 am

        “They also believe in eating the symbolic body and drinking the symbolic blood of a long dead Jew, so?”

        No, they don’t. You should learn something about what you’re commenting on.

        The point is simply that you are wrong. According to the Bible, Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus Christ.

        So to restate Colin’s question:
        “Where does this end? Billboards accusing Jews of killing Christ?”

      • Fredblogs
        August 15, 2012, 2:10 pm

        @Woodrow
        Without which martyrdom, you’d all be going to Hell. So you’re welcome.

      • Woody Tanaka
        August 15, 2012, 2:43 pm

        “Without which martyrdom, you’d all be going to Hell.”

        Oh, Fredo, as an atheist, I’ve got no time for the Christian fairy stories anymore than your Jewish ones. So save your weak nonsense.

        “So you’re welcome.”

        This is intersting. Unless you’re Caiaphas or his conspirators in plotted to kill Jesus, then the only way “you’re welcome” would make any sense is if you’re saying that all Jews, for all time, are responsible for killing Christ… And here I thought that statement was bigoted nonsense. Well. I guess not. The things we learn, eh, Fredo?

  13. MRW
    August 14, 2012, 3:43 pm

    From thee 40-year US expert on terrorism, Brian Michael Jenkins, in his November 2009 testimony before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee: Going Jihad—The Fort Hood Slayings and Home-Grown Terrorism
    http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/testimonies/2009/RAND_CT336.pdf

    The plots show that radicalization and recruitment to terrorist violence is occurring in the United States and is a legitimate security concern. It has, however, yielded very few recruits. With roughly 3 million Muslims in America, although some estimates run much higher, 100 terrorists represent a mere 0.00003 percent of the Muslim population—fewer than one out of 30,000.

    Terrorist violence is not a new phenomenon. Al Qaeda and its jihadist followers did not bring terrorism to the United States. Along with its immigrant communities, the United States has imported numerous terrorist campaigns. Cuban, Puerto Rican, Croatian, Serb, Palestinian, Armenian, Taiwanese, and Jewish extremists have all carried out attacks on U.S. soil, in addition to the homegrown terrorist campaigns of the far left and far right. In fact, the level of terrorist violence was greater in the United States in the 1970s than it is today.

    The lack of significant terrorist attacks on the United States since 9/11 suggests not only intelligence and investigative success, but an American Muslim community that remains overwhelmingly unsympathetic to jihadist appeals. Modern communications, especially the Internet, offer access to violence-exalting narratives, but there is absolutely no evidence to show that attempts to exploit the dismay of some Muslims at policies that can be portrayed as an assault on faith or community have interrupted the integration of immigrant communities. What authorities confront are tiny conspiracies or the actions of individuals, which in a free society will always be hard to predict and prevent.

  14. ColinWright
    August 14, 2012, 4:45 pm

    There’s also the sheer falsity of the ad. Whatever these ‘deadly Islamic attacks’ since 9/11′ were, how many occurred in the West?

    How many in the US? Arguably, one. The only ‘attack’ I can think of that actually killed anyone was that US Army major losing it in Texas — and it’s problematical that that was an ‘Islamic attack’ as opposed to just yet another example of someone going postal.

    It is ‘Islamophobia.’ In fact, it bears a strong resemblance to the build up to the Holocaust. We are convincing ourselves there is an Islamic threat and that radical action is imperative, and no doubt we’ll find the measures required will grow ever more horrific the further down this road we go.

    These swine will leave us with the blood of millions on our hands if we let them. They are the threat, not various two-bit preachers on the other side of the planet.

  15. Les
    August 14, 2012, 5:41 pm

    More Pakistanis have been killed with our drone attacks than those killed on 9/11 at the World Trade Center. Talk about revenge!

    • ColinWright
      August 14, 2012, 11:14 pm

      “More Pakistanis have been killed with our drone attacks than those killed on 9/11 at the World Trade Center. Talk about revenge!”

      That’s what all those Pakistanis get for carrying out the attack! What goes around comes around!

      • MLE
        August 15, 2012, 11:11 am

        If they’re in the area them they must be extremists, thats how our government views it

  16. American
    August 14, 2012, 6:43 pm

    Berlin Urged to Stop Anti-Israel Protest This Weekend
    August 14, 2012 12:26 pm

    Happened to see that and it led me to do some news mining because some like me had the impression Germany is more strict on any protest that might touch on any criticism of anything Jewish like Israel.
    What I found was that demostrations against Israel –to be specific, against Israeli war mongering —-have been ongoing and frequent for years, pretty regular in fact…..and different groups involved….German Iranians, Muslims ,German-Germans, lefties, political parties.
    And the Muslims and Iranians in Germany –and it seems most everyone in general –is much more BOLD about protesting than here in the US. I wouldn’t have thought that , but they appear much less intimitated in Germany than here in the US.
    I find this surprising. What accounts for it? It appears as long as protest are political, anti war or whatever even Israel can be criticized. I guess that doesn’t veer into German hate speech laws. I wonder if Geller could have put up posters like the ‘savages’ one in Germany or would she have to stick to ‘political criticism of one of Israel’s enemy countries? Are the zios as active in propaganda in Germany as they are in the US?

    • ColinWright
      August 14, 2012, 11:17 pm

      “Happened to see that and it led me to do some news mining because some like me had the impression Germany is more strict on any protest that might touch on any criticism of anything Jewish like Israel…”

      Keep looking and you’ll discover something else. Outside of the US and the Maple Leaf State, no one supports Israel with any enthusiasm any more.

      In a way, it’s enough to warm the cockles of the hearts of us Israel haters. If we were trying to give Israel enough rope to hang herself, we couldn’t be doing a better job.

      After all, if the US had somehow gone ‘poof’ the European countries would have long ago bulldozed Israel into accepting some variety of the Saudi Peace Initiative, and she would now have reasonably solid prospects.

      Fortunately, that hasn’t happened, and while the window hasn’t technically closed, I don’t see how anyone can keep it from doing so any more.

    • Theo
      August 15, 2012, 9:10 am

      American

      Those protests by muslims are small and ineffective, because germans do not take them seriously. Not until the german left decides to march will we see any real change in the support for Israel by the government.
      Merkel is a follower, not a leader, she acts only when she has no other choice. She learned this from Helmut Kohl, who always just sat out any situation without taking action, hoping the problem goes away or solves itself. Sometimes he was right!

      As far as those hateful boards go, it would never be allowed in Germany, they know to where such way leads. How sad, that those who were subjected to such hate years ago, now do the same.

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