The responses by the Jewish establishment are nothing short of meaningless intolerance. And paranoia. Increasingly the reality of Israeli crimes are entering the mainstream and all they can do is bleat about propaganda and Israeli morality. Fewer and fewer people believe this in 2012. The Breaking the Silence comments are interesting and strong though personally I’d rather the defence of Zionism wasn’t in there. Regardless, it’s an important organisation and challenges the concept, still laughably used by Israel defenders, that the IDF is the “most moral army in the world.”
I thought this would be the end of the story but then this week I received an email (I’ve published it all below, removing any relevant names) that reveals attempts by the supposedly more liberal wing of the Jewish community to encourage people not to attend Israel/Palestine related talks in Australia because their minds must be corrupted. Or something. It reeks of bigotry and fear.
It’s no wonder many people, including me in a new book After Zionism, now campaign for a wholesome challenge to the Zionist and Jewish communities. If even listening to different points of view from Israel is too much for supposedly sensitive Jewish ears, believing that reform of Israel and the Diaspora is possible, and the occupation ended, is dangerously delusional thinking. Zionism itself is the problem here:
———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Daniel Crook
Date: Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:20 PM
Subject: [melbogs] Please Read {01}
Tomorrow night Hashy are hosting an event where the audience will hear from two speakers, one of the speakers is Micha Kurz, who is the co-founder of a NGO in Israel called ‘Breaking the Silence’. Hearing this came at quite a shock to me and I want to highly encourage anyone thinking of going to read this email before you go and show your support. ‘Breaking the Silence’ are highly criticised for being an anti-Zionist and anti-Israel organisation, and are also criticised for being left wing extremists. Taken from their website we can see that their mission statement is to “expose the Israeli public to the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories”, which is not necessarily the issue at hand, but rather the issue lies in their approach, way that they attempt to do this, and what it creates in peoples understanding and beliefs about Israel, Zionism and the IDF.
The responses by the Jewish establishment are nothing short of meaningless intolerance. And paranoia. Increasingly the reality of Israeli crimes are entering the mainstream and all they can do is bleat about propaganda and Israeli morality. Fewer and fewer people believe this in 2012. The Breaking the Silence comments are interesting and strong though personally I’d rather the defence of Zionism wasn’t in there. Regardless, it’s an important organisation and challenges the concept, still laughably used by Israel defenders, that the IDF is the “most moral army in the world.”
I thought this would be the end of the story but then this week I received an email (I’ve published it all below, removing any relevant names) that reveals attempts by the supposedly more liberal wing of the Jewish community to encourage people not to attend Israel/Palestine related talks in Australia because their minds must be corrupted. Or something. It reeks of bigotry and fear.
It’s no wonder many people, including me in a new book After Zionism, now campaign for a wholesome challenge to the Zionist and Jewish communities. If even listening to different points of view from Israel is too much for supposedly sensitive Jewish ears, believing that reform of Israel and the Diaspora is possible, and the occupation ended, is dangerously delusional thinking. Zionism itself is the problem here:
———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Daniel Crook
Date: Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:20 PM
Subject: [melbogs] Please Read {01}
Tomorrow night Hashy are hosting an event where the audience will hear from two speakers, one of the speakers is Micha Kurz, who is the co-founder of a NGO in Israel called ‘Breaking the Silence’. Hearing this came at quite a shock to me and I want to highly encourage anyone thinking of going to read this email before you go and show your support. ‘Breaking the Silence’ are highly criticised for being an anti-Zionist and anti-Israel organisation, and are also criticised for being left wing extremists. Taken from their website we can see that their mission statement is to “expose the Israeli public to the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories”, which is not necessarily the issue at hand, but rather the issue lies in their approach, way that they attempt to do this, and what it creates in peoples understanding and beliefs about Israel, Zionism and the IDF.
The responses by the Jewish establishment are nothing short of meaningless intolerance. And paranoia. Increasingly the reality of Israeli crimes are entering the mainstream and all they can do is bleat about propaganda and Israeli morality. Fewer and fewer people believe this in 2012. The Breaking the Silence comments are interesting and strong though personally I’d rather the defence of Zionism wasn’t in there. Regardless, it’s an important organisation and challenges the concept, still laughably used by Israel defenders, that the IDF is the “most moral army in the world.”
I thought this would be the end of the story but then this week I received an email (I’ve published it all below, removing any relevant names) that reveals attempts by the supposedly more liberal wing of the Jewish community to encourage people not to attend Israel/Palestine related talks in Australia because their minds must be corrupted. Or something. It reeks of bigotry and fear.
It’s no wonder many people, including me in a new book After Zionism, now campaign for a wholesome challenge to the Zionist and Jewish communities. If even listening to different points of view from Israel is too much for supposedly sensitive Jewish ears, believing that reform of Israel and the Diaspora is possible, and the occupation ended, is dangerously delusional thinking. Zionism itself is the problem here:
———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Daniel Crook
Date: Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:20 PM
Subject: [melbogs] Please Read {01}
Tomorrow night Hashy are hosting an event where the audience will hear from two speakers, one of the speakers is Micha Kurz, who is the co-founder of a NGO in Israel called ‘Breaking the Silence’. Hearing this came at quite a shock to me and I want to highly encourage anyone thinking of going to read this email before you go and show your support. ‘Breaking the Silence’ are highly criticised for being an anti-Zionist and anti-Israel organisation, and are also criticised for being left wing extremists. Taken from their website we can see that their mission statement is to “expose the Israeli public to the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories”, which is not necessarily the issue at hand, but rather the issue lies in their approach, way that they attempt to do this, and what it creates in peoples understanding and beliefs about Israel, Zionism and the IDF.
The responses by the Jewish establishment are nothing short of meaningless intolerance. And paranoia. Increasingly the reality of Israeli crimes are entering the mainstream and all they can do is bleat about propaganda and Israeli morality. Fewer and fewer people believe this in 2012. The Breaking the Silence comments are interesting and strong though personally I’d rather the defence of Zionism wasn’t in there. Regardless, it’s an important organisation and challenges the concept, still laughably used by Israel defenders, that the IDF is the “most moral army in the world.”
I thought this would be the end of the story but then this week I received an email (I’ve published it all below, removing any relevant names) that reveals attempts by the supposedly more liberal wing of the Jewish community to encourage people not to attend Israel/Palestine related talks in Australia because their minds must be corrupted. Or something. It reeks of bigotry and fear.
It’s no wonder many people, including me in a new book After Zionism, now campaign for a wholesome challenge to the Zionist and Jewish communities. If even listening to different points of view from Israel is too much for supposedly sensitive Jewish ears, believing that reform of Israel and the Diaspora is possible, and the occupation ended, is dangerously delusional thinking. Zionism itself is the problem here:
———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Daniel Crook
Date: Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:20 PM
Subject: [melbogs] Please Read {01}
Tomorrow night Hashy are hosting an event where the audience will hear from two speakers, one of the speakers is Micha Kurz, who is the co-founder of a NGO in Israel called ‘Breaking the Silence’. Hearing this came at quite a shock to me and I want to highly encourage anyone thinking of going to read this email before you go and show your support. ‘Breaking the Silence’ are highly criticised for being an anti-Zionist and anti-Israel organisation, and are also criticised for being left wing extremists. Taken from their website we can see that their mission statement is to “expose the Israeli public to the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories”, which is not necessarily the issue at hand, but rather the issue lies in their approach, way that they attempt to do this, and what it creates in peoples understanding and beliefs about Israel, Zionism and the IDF.
The responses by the Jewish establishment are nothing short of meaningless intolerance. And paranoia. Increasingly the reality of Israeli crimes are entering the mainstream and all they can do is bleat about propaganda and Israeli morality. Fewer and fewer people believe this in 2012. The Breaking the Silence comments are interesting and strong though personally I’d rather the defence of Zionism wasn’t in there. Regardless, it’s an important organisation and challenges the concept, still laughably used by Israel defenders, that the IDF is the “most moral army in the world.”
I thought this would be the end of the story but then this week I received an email (I’ve published it all below, removing any relevant names) that reveals attempts by the supposedly more liberal wing of the Jewish community to encourage people not to attend Israel/Palestine related talks in Australia because their minds must be corrupted. Or something. It reeks of bigotry and fear.
It’s no wonder many people, including me in a new book After Zionism, now campaign for a wholesome challenge to the Zionist and Jewish communities. If even listening to different points of view from Israel is too much for supposedly sensitive Jewish ears, believing that reform of Israel and the Diaspora is possible, and the occupation ended, is dangerously delusional thinking. Zionism itself is the problem here:
———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Daniel Crook
Date: Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:20 PM
Subject: [melbogs] Please Read {01}
Tomorrow night Hashy are hosting an event where the audience will hear from two speakers, one of the speakers is Micha Kurz, who is the co-founder of a NGO in Israel called ‘Breaking the Silence’. Hearing this came at quite a shock to me and I want to highly encourage anyone thinking of going to read this email before you go and show your support. ‘Breaking the Silence’ are highly criticised for being an anti-Zionist and anti-Israel organisation, and are also criticised for being left wing extremists. Taken from their website we can see that their mission statement is to “expose the Israeli public to the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories”, which is not necessarily the issue at hand, but rather the issue lies in their approach, way that they attempt to do this, and what it creates in peoples understanding and beliefs about Israel, Zionism and the IDF.
Fresh news about the Diaspora Jewish community’s refusal to hear about atrocities committed by Israel, let alone act on them, even as the wider community seems to be opening its eyes.
Last week the Israeli soldiers’ group Breaking the Silence released a staggering report on the abuse, dehumanization, and shootings of Palestinian children by the Israeli army. The report demonstrates that Israeli soldiers cross moral red lines without concern because they know they will never be punished for destroying Palestinians’ human rights.
Sadly, the report has gotten scarcely any attention in the US media. But it has been covered in Europe and Australia. Two leading Australian papers published a big story on the report: The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald.
Antony Loewenstein has a post up on the matter, chronicling the angry response by Jewish groups to the news:
The Australian Jewish News was outraged, providing a space for Zionist spokespeople to damn all the allegations:
“Another Israel-bashing headline”, “a flagrantly one-sided piece” and “threadbare and unsubstantiated allegations”…
A statement was released by Danny Lamm, President of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry:
“How sad it is that once-great broadsheets like the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age have been reduced to featuring crude propaganda on their front page.
Loewenstein notes that the bash was then joined by the head of the Israel lobby in Australia, Colin Rubenstein, and a Jewish Labor MP named Michael Danby, who sought to leverage financial pressure on the newspapers:
Michael Danby told J-Wire: “I felt The Age coverage was worse than the Sydney Morning Herald’s as their headline was more biased and the graphics used were larger and more emotive.”
Speaking at the opening in Melbourne of the Israeli Film Festival, Danby said: “I was not surprised to see the Fairfax share price plummeting. On days when hundreds of civilians were being killed in Syria, The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald were rehashing unverified rehashed propaganda against Israel.” He appealed to Greg Haywood, the chairman of Fairfax to explain why his chain gave such prominence to this story.
A feature appeared in The Age and Sydney Morning Herald last week by Ruth Pollard which detailed shocking new allegations by IDF personnel and their behaviour against Palestinian children. Murdoch’s Australian also covered the revelations. The Australian Jewish News was outraged, providing a space for Zionist spokespeople to damn all the allegations:
“Another Israel-bashing headline”, “a flagrantly one-sided piece” and “threadbare and unsubstantiated allegations”.
Just a handful of comments from community leaders and the Israeli embassy this week following the extensive coverage in the Australian media of a report issued by Israeli veterans group Breaking The Silence (BTS) about the treatment of Palestinian children at the hands of the IDF.
A statement was released by Danny Lamm, President of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry:
“How sad it is that once-great broadsheets like the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age have been reduced to featuring crude propaganda on their front page.
A feature appeared in The Age and Sydney Morning Herald last week by Ruth Pollard which detailed shocking new allegations by IDF personnel and their behaviour against Palestinian children. Murdoch’s Australian also covered the revelations. The Australian Jewish News was outraged, providing a space for Zionist spokespeople to damn all the allegations:
“Another Israel-bashing headline”, “a flagrantly one-sided piece” and “threadbare and unsubstantiated allegations”.
Just a handful of comments from community leaders and the Israeli embassy this week following the extensive coverage in the Australian media of a report issued by Israeli veterans group Breaking The Silence (BTS) about the treatment of Palestinian children at the hands of the IDF.
A statement was released by Danny Lamm, President of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry:
“How sad it is that once-great broadsheets like the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age have been reduced to featuring crude propaganda on their front page.
Breaking the Silence responded to the Australian critics with a defiant statement ot its own. The soldiers group asserted that its witnesses are telling the truth and it took jabs at armchair Diaspora Jews:
While the question of whether and to what degree Diaspora Jews should advocate their views on internal Israeli affairs is an open one, beating on Israelis of other political convictions is not. Lamm’s armchair Zionism pontificating from afar, while true Israelis put their lives on the line, imposes certain restraints on his engagement.
Loewenstein– who is the editor of a new volume of essays, After Zionism, to which I am also a contributor– explains the larger context of the controversy:
The responses by the Jewish establishment are nothing short of meaningless intolerance. And paranoia. Increasingly the reality of Israeli crimes are entering the mainstream and all they can do is bleat about propaganda and Israeli morality. Fewer and fewer people believe this in 2012….
I thought this would be the end of the story but then this week I received an email (I’ve published it all below, removing any relevant names) that reveals attempts by the supposedly more liberal wing of the Jewish community to encourage people not to attend Israel/Palestine related talks in Australia because their minds must be corrupted. Or something. It reeks of bigotry and fear…. Zionism itself is the problem here.
Here’s the beginning of the email Loewenstein published, from the liberal Zionist group Habonim Dror. It characterizes Breaking the Silence as “simplistic and narrow.” Staggering denial– though note that, yes, another Jewish group was sponsoring Breaking the Silence in Australia:
———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Daniel Crook
Date: Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:20 PM
Subject: [melbogs] Please Read {01}
Tomorrow night Hashy are hosting an event where the audience will hear from two speakers, one of the speakers is Micha Kurz, who is the co-founder of a NGO in Israel called ‘Breaking the Silence’. Hearing this came at quite a shock to me and I want to highly encourage anyone thinking of going to read this email before you go and show your support. ‘Breaking the Silence’ are highly criticised for being an anti-Zionist and anti-Israel organisation, and are also criticised for being left wing extremists…
Anti Israel sentiment is growing throughout the world, as we see on our own university campuses, and ‘Breaking the Silence’ are potentially fuelling a lot of this opinion. ‘Breaking the Silence’ rely on the use of very extreme examples, including interviews, testimonies and imaging, to show and uncover what they term the shocking realities of Israel and the IDF. They are highly criticised for providing a non-Zionist and highly over-simplistic view of the issues at hand and present a picture of IDF actions against Palestinians that is completely removed from and ignores the larger Israel-Palestinian conflict, which as a result adds in a serious way to the world wide anti-Israel sentiment that affects our lives as Zionists in a serious way. In short, the examples that they use to fulfil their mission are very extreme and are taken out of context, they criticise the IDF and the Israeli government with a very one-sided agenda, and also include no productive stance about a more positive direction for Israeli society.
“The responses by the Jewish establishment are nothing short of meaningless intolerance.”
It’s very meaningful. They are doing what zionists have done for over 100 years. Crush everything that is anti message.
Chomsky on the jihad against the Fink
link to youtube.com
1. traintosiberia says:
July 4, 2012 at 11:12 am
Finklestein’s forced departure from De paul, removal of Obama’s muslim supporter from visibility,refusal to allow Desmond Tutu to speak in the college of Minnesota,and at the American Psychiatric conference of 2011,stopping the publication of book critical of Israel in France and attempt to do so in USA ( the book by University of Michigan faculty and the book by Mersheimer and Walt),removal of Sanchez from CNN and hounding out of Sylvia Nasr from CNN, use of vertically integrated McArthismesque tactics to get Helen Thomas combined with similar transatlantic success in England (against a number of MPs and party officers ) and in Germany ( against Gunter ) show that the poisoned ,effective successful influences over media,academy,educational events,politics,and governments ( ? anything left) of the lobby has driven a knife in the very essence of western society and in the ideas of human choices based on information.
link to digicoll.library.wisc.edu
Page 628
The minister in Iraq (Henderson) to the Secretary of State
Baghdad November 1 1944
“They find it difficult to reconcile themselves to the belief that the the US merely for the sake of internal political experiency is favoring a course in Palestine which in their opinion not only would be unjust but would undoubtedly lead to bloodshed and misery for all concerned. They can perceive no reason for the recent pronouncements and promises of American government and political leaders who should have a complete understanding of the Palestine situation other than a desire to obtain the support of the american Zionists. They are asking whether it is possible that American foreign policy in the future is to be shaped in such a manner as to meet the demands of private pressure groups possessed of ample funds and exercising control over American channels of information. ”
Except now they can’t ensure career destruction. Because hasbara is dead and they know it.
And now they are hysterical.
2013 is going to be very interesting.
Seafoid “they are doing what Zionist have done for over 100 years. Crush everything that is anti message” Bingo. And the U.S. MSM basically goes along.
i’m reading your second link now seafoid. i’ve been reading off and on since you posted today. the ‘charge at damacus’ (farrel) pg 570 certainly doesn’t mince his words.
I would like to add that MW is really fighting zionism and palestinian oppression with one hand tied behind its back.
After all, those zionists are also from the tribe and we should not get carried away with too many critics and too many truths.
Just like the rabbi asks: “is it good for the jews”?
Thanks, seafoid. Just imagine anything in this essay or your post on page 1 of NYT.
OK, but keep imagining. This is going to take a long time.
It could spin out of control sooner than you think. The dynamic is nihilistic.
The settlers are untouchable now. They don’t care about anyone. Muslims and Christians are targets. And the authorities won’t do anything
They could attack the church of the holy sepulchre. Why not? Imagine the RUSH.
Israel is like Detroit at the moment where heroin arrived on the scene.
Or India as the Hindutva rabble rousers started thinking about pulling down Babri Masjid.
I thought this would be the end of the story but then this week I received an email (I’ve published it all below, removing any relevant names) that reveals attempts by the supposedly more liberal wing of the Jewish community to encourage people not to attend Israel/Palestine related talks in Australia because their minds must be corrupted. Or something. It reeks of bigotry and fear…. Zionism itself is the problem here”
Does anyone want a strategy for ending this sooner rather than later?
Then think about what Zionism has to stand on to have any power…it has to stand on the Jew’s shoulders, particulary the diaspora’s, plain and simple.
“Price tag’ the diaspora that supports zionism. And before anyone goes ballistic thinking this says attack the Jews let me say the kind of price tagging I am thinking of could be done gently and with a laser not a hammer and still be effective.
Not gently enough for the zios but gently enough for the rest of the country.
The fact is we can attack the zio hierarchy all we want, they aren’t to fall until we kick the stool they are standing on in our ‘domestic political considerations’ re Israel out from under them.
@American, say what you like, you no doubt have the blessing of the MW police. When I try to say something that challenges the foundations of the propaganda tainted beliefs here I find my critical remarks blocked by the censors. How can I fairly get my thoughts and opinions across when I am forced to speak with half my mouth taped up and a hand tied behind my back?
As far as your unsubstantiated insinuation above that Jews here in Australia are not wanting to allow others to here viewpoints contrary to the Zionist doctrine, let me say that Tom Segev is in town at the moment giving a series of 4 lectures.
The Jewish community discusses and questions and the debate is very widespread and healthy. However when it comes to the Palestinian community the dialogue shrivels up into nothing becoming a one-sided hue and cry against everything that Israel does.
And now back to ‘Breaking the Silence’ . I think one Israeli who responded to BTS’s defence of their actions provides a very serious criticism of BTS.
i guess he missed this:
link to 972mag.com
also, did breaking the silence go to the europeans or the UK or the other way around. i thought the UK was doing their own investigation.
@Annie, who missed what point? Your reference to an article at 972mag.com has nothing to do with BTS.
you’re right it had nothing to do with breaking the silence however it had EVERYTHING to so with why don’t they give the particulars to the Israeli authorities who are able to deal with these issues?
the 972 link demonstrates what happens when people go thru the proper channels just to get crimes investigated. 600 compliants and ..nada! and that is precisely why the international community is getting involved . because the politicos in israel, people in the government are in line with these types: link to mondoweiss.net
watch the video and wake up. we’re not idiots.
>> How can I fairly get my thoughts and opinions across when I am forced to speak with half my mouth taped up and a hand tied behind my back?
It’s funny as all f*cking hell to see a Zio-supremacist whining about fairly getting his thoughts and opinions across on a website, while Palestinians suffer REAL consequences – not “e-consequences” – at the hands of his Zio-supremacist co-collectivists and their oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”.
Poor little Zio-supremacist… :-(
@ Mayhem
Well I am probably not censored as much cause I ‘m not on the side of harming any innocent people or killing them……except I might want to harm a few uber zios come to think of it, but then I don’t consider them innocent.. LOL
And I didn’t say anything about Jews in Australia not allowing others to speak against Israel or zionism. But it’s obvious zionist don’t want other Jews to criticize zionism or Israel… anywhere…in the world. Dont’ you read MW enough?….censorship efforts by the I -firsters are covered here all the time. Jews here who are critical of Israel get worst treatment from zios than we anti -zio- Israel gentiles do.
Listen, you can yada, yada all you want in defense of the IDF…..too many people, all kinds of people from peace activist to US military liason officers to the IDF have witnessed how the IDF treats Palestines…old women, children, all of them.
And don’t even try to tell us how IDF misdeeds should be turned over to Israel to handle….we have also all seen just how that works.
Really, who you trying to kid here? If Israel had a record of addressing what the rouge IDF does these breaking the silence heroes wouldn’t have to ‘go outside’ Israel.
“half my mouth taped up” lol, what is the sound of one lip flapping?
Anyhoo, how do you know the invigilators aren’t censoring us anti-zios? Rhetorical question: you don’t know. I can affirm some of my own insightful rejoinders to you vacuous hasbarats have never made it passed this desktop.
Individual Australian Jews obviously hold a variety of viewpoints however it is a demonstrable fact that Jewish umbrella groups in Australia absolutely do attempt to stifle criticism of Israel. The banning of a panel discussing a new book “Beyond Tribal Loyalties” at Limmund Oz is a good recent example. That no major Jewish Organisation objected to Michael Danby, Ted Ballieu & others description of protestors as akin to Nazi blackshirts is another one (even though they regularly complain about people downplaying the Holocaust by referring to anything they don’t like as Nazis, I guess when those being denigrated are critics of Israel the slur is AOK). Mayhem if you can think of a single major Jewish organisation in Australia who are open to criticism of Israel (and I mean they actually practice that not just give it lip service) I’d love to hear it.
RE: “Fresh news about the Diaspora Jewish community’s refusal to hear about atrocities committed by Israel, let alone act on them . . .” ~ Weiss
AND RE: “Another Israel-bashing headline”, “a flagrantly one-sided piece” and “threadbare and unsubstantiated allegations”… ~ Zionist spokespeople
AND RE: “How sad it is that once-great broadsheets like the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age have been reduced to featuring crude propaganda on their front page.” ~ Danny Lamm, President of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry
AND RE: “On days when hundreds of civilians were being killed in Syria, The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald were rehashing unverified rehashed propaganda against Israel.” ~ Michael Danby
AND RE: “The responses by the Jewish establishment are nothing short of meaningless intolerance. And paranoia. Increasingly the reality of Israeli crimes are entering the mainstream and all they can do is bleat about propaganda and Israeli morality.” ~ Antony Loewenstein
FROM WIKIPEDIA [Narcissism]:
SOURCE – link to en.wikipedia.org
P.S. ALSO SEE: “Is There a Way Beyond Israeli Madness?” [Will the Chosen People and the Exceptional People Go Down Together?] ~ by John Grant, Counterpunch, 8/31/12
ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to counterpunch.org
the zionists operate on the premise that the best defense is a good offense. we should too, especially since we’re on the side of the slave (oppressed, occupied), whereas they’re on the side of the slaveowner (oppressor, occupier). conversely, we have nothing to be defensive about, they have a long and shameful history to be defensive about. what’s more, the zionists already are going ballistic, which has to mean they know that history has taken a decided turn towards freedom and justice. ride it and enjoy it! our time is here and now!
I think someone at Fairfax (owner of The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald, and others) has taken a good hard look at Israel and Palestine in the last few months and decided that things are bad enough there that they’re going to start telling the TRUTH about the situation there. In yesterday’s paper:
Cosmetics firm accused of plundering Dead Sea
Not a lot of ambiguity in a title like that.
There has been a regular swag of articles in the lately that I’ve been surprised by: simple truth telling but without the qualifications and muck that normally obscures the reality of I/P and keeps the general public in the dark.
I read Breaking The Silence’s response to Danny Lamm that Phil quotes – it is FIERCE, read the whole thing, it will make your day.
Thanks for the link Sumud. The problem for the Zionists is that nobody in goy Australia needs the settlements. They don’t add anything to anyone’s quality of life. If anything the hatred they generate is negative .
I think Michael Danby is a traitor. Aside from his support for Israel, he is one of the MPs who blabs all to the US Embassy.
link to au.news.yahoo.com
Pretty much every major party Australian MP is guilty of US lapdoggery. I loathe Danby but I don’t think he’s any more guilty than others on the blabbing to the yanks score.
“On days when hundreds of civilians were being killed in Syria, The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald were rehashing unverified rehashed propaganda against Israel.” So current or former Israeli soldiers are doing “propaganda” against themselves for some reason??! And of course the old “what about (insert blank country here)” supposed “argument” tactic! If that is the best you can do, you really have some problems!! link to mondoweiss.net
The Zionists feigning “concern” about foreign countries is so transparent and pathetic. Also there is a SPECIAL reason for Westerners (be they Americans, the English, Canadians, French, Australians, Germans, Polish, etc. etc. etc.) to particularly focus on the crimes and misdeeds of the Israeli apartheid regime, the Israeli military and the Zionist’s decades long occupation of Palestinian land. I don’t recall any Western country supplying Bashar al-Assad with any weapons, I must have missed the memo when Assad received nuclear submarines from the Germans, or when Assad got his last shipment of US F-16 fighter jets, Apache Helicopters, US M-16 assault rifles, etc. etc. And I wasn’t aware there was an equivalent to the traitors and Israeli-firsters at AIPAC secretly called “ASPAC” (the American-SYRIAN Public Affairs Committee)! And I also don’t recall the US government fighting wars (that are a disaster for America and don’t serve any US interest: link to youtube.com) on the behalf and at the behest of the supposed lobby of the Syrian government! This is quite typical behavior of course for shameless hasbara apologists. They also feigned supposed “concern” and interest in the Kurds of Turkey after the massacre committed by Israeli forces in international waters against the Freedom Flotilla the Mavi Marmara back in 2010: link to theamericanconservative.com
Which is also “interesting” as before this the Israelis heavily supported their key Turkish allies against for example the Kurdish PKK movement in southeastern Turkey and the mountains of northern Iraq. The PKK’s currently imprisoned leader Abdullah Ocalan himself was captured in Kenya by Mossad operatives and then turned over to the Israeli’s Turkish allies back in 1999 link to wrmea.org
And after the Flotilla in 2010, Zionist writers also started being okay with recognizing the Armenian genocide; that many of them had so firmly denied and spoke against that event being classified as a genocide link to youtube.com The sick “holocaust uniqueness” cult, that Jewish-American academic David Stannard thoroughly responded to, had long been denying the Armenian genocide for two specific reasons: 1) they held to the assertion that the Nazis crimes against the Jews in WW2 was allegedly the only act of genocide in human history (they also disgustingly wanted to exclude the Roma people aka the Gypsies from even being counted as Holocaust victims of the Nazis as well) putting aside real academics note even the Herero and Namaqua genocide in Africa done by the colonial Germans at the start of the 20th century (again the “holocaust uniqueness” people are a pretty sick cult who deny every other genocide in human history, as Professor David Stannard, historian and author of “American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World”, shows). And 2) it served the interests of Israel to also deny the Armenian genocide at the end of the Ottoman Empire for their Turkish ally (i.e. pre-Flotilla Turkey)
And a last point, I have personally seen Zionist propagandists “respond” to events promoting justice in Palestine and calling for the ending of the occupation; by randomly going off on quite odd tangents about such things as a supposed “epidemic” of “honor killings”; which they don’t even keep on the topic of Palestine-Israel itself but go off randomly trying to malign Muslims in general link to loonwatch.com. Which is also “special” given the fact that Palestinians aren’t all religious Muslim even to start with, putting the typical propaganda claims that Zionists often latch on to nowadays going along with often white supremacist Islamophobes, (i.e. there is still a significant Palestinian Christian minority; including Palestinian figures associated with famous armed resistance groups like George Habash the founder of the PFLP) and that the PLO itself under Arafat was explicitly secularist and pan-Arabist/Arab nationalist (somewhat similar to the Pan-Arabist Arab Baath Party). So again the fact Zionists refuse to stay on topic a good amount of the time, makes it quite clear just how flimsy their hasbara is getting these days.
“. So again the fact Zionists refuse to stay on topic a good amount of the time, makes it quite clear just how flimsy their hasbara is getting these days.”
The internet is fatal for hasbara. They have a very limited shit list and the more they repeat it the more obvious it is how they operate.
I have yet to see a credible defender of Zionism who doesn’t resort to hasbara.
This is my gripe.
If I keep my comments within certain ill-defined guidelines I am allowed to speak. However if I cross into territory where I start to criticise the Palestinians for their behaviors then I get blocked. This is the sheer hypocrisy of MW.
There is constant bleating about the transgressions of Israel and the complaints about Jews and Israelis not being 110% transparent, while at MW policies are practised that are completely in contradiction to what is expected from the Israeli side.
You will never convince people with arguments that exploit the assistance of blatant bias, concealment and dishonesty.
The expression ‘hasbara’ is convenient as a dismissive but there should be a term for the MW equivalent that is practised here with impunity (sic).