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Iran wants nukes to deter attack

In citing the realist argument that it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world if Iran got nuclear weapons, I’ve used the word “containment.” As if Iran is an irrational aggressor. A friend points out that Iran is a rational actor, and the correct term for its behavior, and the west’s, is “deterrence.” He explains the distinction:
 
One thing that has puzzled and concerned me a bit is the use of the word “containment” when applied to Iran policy options.  Often I see “containment” being held up as the good alternative to military action.
 
I’m not a licensed historian, but as I understand it, the strategy of containment as originally proposed was about stopping the spread of communism.  The very word “containment” presupposes that there is some aggressive, expansionist entity which needs to be contained within a geographical boundary.  Is Iran really much of an aggressive expansionist force?  Does it need containing?  What about just ignoring it and letting it be?  
 
Anyway, my point is that making the debate be one between preemptive military action and containment sort of reinforces the warmonger frame that Iran is a dangerous expansionist foe, akin to the Soviet Union.  And the word containment has such negative connotations and so much historical baggage. 
 
I think a more precise word for dealing with a nuclear Iran would be “deterrence”.  i.e. can Iran be forever deterred from using a nuclear weapon.  I don’t even really like that word though, because it assumes that Iran needs deterring.  What if they don’t plan to nuke anyone?   Are we deterring Pakistan, or China, or France? 

Good point. Bill Keller’s important piece on the subject in the New York Times emphasized containing Iran. But he did use the deterrence concept:

If the U.S. arsenal deterred the Soviet Union for decades of cold war and now keeps North Korea’s nukes in their silos, if India and Pakistan have kept each other in a nuclear stalemate, why would Iran not be similarly deterred by the certainty that using nuclear weapons would bring a hellish reprisal?

Glenn Greenwald in the Guardian today is also using the d-word, emphasizing Iran’s ability to deter attacks:

[On Monday Senator Lindsey Graham] explained the real reason Iranian nuclear weapons should be feared:

“They have two goals: one, regime survival. The best way for the regime surviving, in their mind, is having a nuclear weapon, because when you have a nuclear weapon, nobody attacks you.”

Graham added that the second regime goal is “influence”, that “people listen to you” when you have a nuclear weapon. In other words, we cannot let Iran acquire nuclear weapons because if they get them, we can no longer attack them when we want to and can no longer bully them in their own region.

Graham’s answer is consistent with what various American policy elites have said over the years about America’s enemies generally and Iran specifically: the true threat of nuclear proliferation is that it can deter American aggression.

The most important realist argument for Iran getting nukes, Kenneth Waltz in Foreign Affairs, called nukes “the ultimate deterrent.”

And the scholar Norman Birnbaum, responds to a question at our site, from ProudZionist, criticizing his recent piece in The Nation:

“I would ask Professor Birnbaum one question. Will Iran’s acquiring nuclear weapons make the world a more or less safe place?”

From one point of view, Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons would act as a deterrent to attacks on Iran, and have a stabilizing effect. From another, it might start a nuclear arms race in the region, where in any case it is difficult to imagine that governments in Algeria and Egypt will indefinitely maintain  nuclear arms abstention. Perhaps the question could be rephrased: does Israel’s nuclear arsenal increase its security?

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Finally. It’s always been about Iran’s ability to halt American aggression, something Washington deems unacceptable. How dare Iran look to protect itself from future American attacks. It’s like in Dr. Strangelove – “what will they do if we attack?” –
“they’ll attack us back” — “then we gotta attack, NOW with everything we got”

Great post, Phil.

All the same, I wonder how soon we will see a test of the proposition that no-one attacks anyone else who has a nuke. That proposition suggests that there is no rule against FIRST USE.

Suppose Israel nukes Iran. A FIRST USE. Would Iran dare to respond with a nuke (if it had one or a few) knowing that Israel has hundreds of them and rockets and submarines etc to launch them?

OK, bad example, Try this:

Suppose Israel attacks Iran without using nukes. NO FIRST USE. Would Iran dare to respond with a nuke (FIRST USE) (if it had one or a few) knowing that Israel has hundreds of them and rockets and submarines etc to launch them? If not, then what earthly use was the Iranian nuke? Did it prevent Israeli attack? Hardly.

Ahmadinejad:

“Let’s even imagine that we have an atomic weapon, a nuclear weapon. What would we do with it? What intelligent person would fight 5,000 American bombs with one bomb?”

Has Pakistan’s nuke prevented USA from attacking it with drones? OK, a special case, but still, has it?

Anyhow, I don’t see an Iranian nuke as a military threat to anyone and if it reduces Israeli belligerency, that’s all to the good.

Below I have transcribed a question on the nuclear negotiations asked by Greg Tealman of Arms Control Associaton. The setting is a talk titled “Will diplomatic failure over Iran trigger war?” given by Mark Fitzpatrick at the International Institute for Strategic Studies–US (link below to the youtube video).

Mark Fitzpatrick’s answer illustrates that the demand that Iran shut down the Fordow site is demanded NOT because the US could not destroy Fordow, but because Israel could not destroy it, or, in other words, Israel cannot “contain” Iran with the existence of Fordow. Looked at from the Iranian point of view, however, Fordow is a deterrence against an Israeli attack.

But let’s be real, Israel cannot militarily “contain” Iran as it is, Fordow or not. Iran’s nuclear program is too redundant, too much a part of the broader Iranian society for it to be erased.

So clearly Israel already relies on the US for security from their perceived Iranian threat, Fordow does not change this equation, so why should Israel be so insistent this demand to dismantle Fordow be included in the negotiations?

As Fitzpatrick says, the US can destroy Fordow, or certainly can destroy any usable entryways into it. And as we all know, the US has Israel’s back. So why this demand to dismantle Fordow from Israel? Do they not think other nations have a right to defend against Israeli aggression or to protect their valuable assets?

Is it merely an irrational demand by Israel knowing full well the rational actors in Tehran will reject such a demand?

It seems clear to me the dismantling of Fordow is a strawman put in there so Israel can ensure the negotiations will fail.

Anyway, here is the question and answer. I transcribed it, so my apologies for any errors. The question is asked @28:17 in the video (link below):

Greg Tealman-Arms Control Association:

“I wanted to focus on Fordow, and the, um, specifically on the demand that it be shut down. Um, I wanted your reaction to my interpretation that from an Iranian perspective, the ‘shut-down demand’ can only be interpreted as a provocation, as an indication of bad faith on the part of the six powers [P5+1 or E3+3] because it ultimately means that even if Iran were to accept limits at 3.5%, if they were to accept the Additional Protocol, if they were to accept everything else that we ask for, we would say “Fordow has to be shut down because we have trouble destroying it in an air assualt.” Isn’t that essentially what the demand is and how is that, how is that constructed to allow us in these very difficult negotiations to get over the hurdle of lack of trust and faith on both sides and get a confidence building agreement?”

Mark Fitzpatrick: “Yeah, Greg, that’s a good question. I think though that, um, the pronoun is not the right pronoun in the way you framed the question. It’s not that “we,” that is to say, members of the E3+3, have a difficulty attacking Fordow. The United States could do it with its, um, its heavy gravity bombs, but Israel couldn’t and that doesn’t make it any easier for Iran obviously, it would make more of a problem but I mean this is realpolitik we’re talking about here. “

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnyEzJ_9Pl4

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9107110226

in case anyone is interested, today:

(their bold)

2012-10-03
VP: Iran Never Starts War

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian Vice-President Mohammad Reza Rahimi underlined the country’s capability to repel any kind of enemy attack relying on its advanced weapons and equipment, but meantime said that Tehran will never initiate a war against other states.

“Although, the Islamic Republic of Iran has and will never be an aggressor and the starter of a war throughout its life, today it is an equipped and powerful nation which can defend itself against the aggression of the aliens,” Rahimi said in the Western city of Ilam on Tuesday afternoon.

He also downplayed Israel’s growing war rhetoric against Iran, and said, “If Israel could attack Iran, it would never build a wall around itself.”

“Such rumors are merely aimed at waging psychological war to disturb the Islamic Republic of Iran’s political and economic atmosphere.”

Iranian military and governmental officials have on many occasions warned enemies to stay away from aggression against the country.

In relevant remarks last month, Commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari said an enemy invasion of Iran is possible, but such a war would put an end to the life of the Zionist regime of Israel.

“Owing to the (high) speed (of the growth and development) of the Islamic Revolution, this cancerous tumor, Israel, is challenging us to war, but it is not clear when this war would take place,” Jafari said in Tehran at the time.

“War may break out, but if Zionists start something, that will be the point of their annihilation and the endpoint of their story,” he added.

Jafari, meantime, underlined that “no one dares to wage an extensive ground assault on Iran”.

The General said if the enemy were wise, there wouldn’t be any problem, “but the problem is that there is no guarantee for this rationality and we should be prepared too.”

Israel and its close ally the United States accuse Iran of seeking a nuclear weapon, while they have never presented any corroborative document to substantiate their allegations. Both Washington and Tel Aviv possess advanced weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear warheads.

Iran vehemently denies the charges, insisting that its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only. Tehran stresses that the country has always pursued a civilian path to provide power to the growing number of Iranian population, whose fossil fuel would eventually run dry.

The Zionist regime has recently intensified its war rhetoric against Tehran, warning that it plans to hit Iranian nuclear facilities.

Iran has, in return, warned that it would target Israel and its worldwide interests in case it comes under attack by the Tel Aviv.

The United States has also always stressed that military action is a main option for the White House to deter Iran’s progress in the field of nuclear technology.

In response, Iran has warned it would hit the US, Israel and their worldwide interests and close the strategic Strait of Hormuz if it became the target of a military attack over its nuclear program.

Strait of Hormuz, the entrance to the strategic Persian Gulf waterway, is a major oil shipping route.

[On Monday Senator Lindsey Graham] explained the real reason Iranian nuclear weapons should be feared:

“They have two goals: one, regime survival. The best way for the regime surviving, in their mind, is having a nuclear weapon, because when you have a nuclear weapon, nobody attacks you.”

Graham added that the second regime goal is “influence”, that “people listen to you” when you have a nuclear weapon. In other words, we cannot let Iran acquire nuclear weapons because if they get them, we can no longer attack them when we want to and can no longer bully them in their own region.

Mr. Graham explains perfectly why Israel and the U.S. should not have nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, he applies his reasoning only to Iran. The stench of hypocrisy is nauseating.