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Roger Waters says Israel’s staggering record of impunity from world’s judgment is due to elephant in the room: the lobby

Saturday in New York was a special day. Two halls on either side of downtown were jammed with leftwingers for whom Palestine has become a central issue. What Central America was in the 80s or South Africa in the 90s– the Palestine moment is now.

The Russell Tribunal on Palestine was in the great Hall at Cooper Union, where Lincoln famously spoke, with one person after another with a foreign accent laying out Israel’s defiance of international law. While at the New School which was once a refuge for Jewish scholars who escaped the Holocaust two leftwing Jewish speakers were arguing about whether the Jewish state can be redeemed from the stark photograph of the apartheid wall shown on the cover of the afternoon program. Norman Finkelstein said yes, Anna Baltzer said no.

Celebrate the moment. Tonight Susie Abulhawa will be speaking with two leftwing Israelis; Jeff Halper, another leftwing Israeli, is also in town to explain why the two state solution is dead, and the 50th NY Film Festival is featuring an Israeli filmmaker’s documentary likening the brutality of the occupation to Nazi Germany’s military occupations.

There can be no question that the social-justice left has fully taken up the challenge of Palestine with the aim of driving the mainstream discussion.

As for my headline, the overarching theme of the Russell Tribunal sessions I attended was Israeli impunity. I recorded the insights below. Please note the devastating Peter Hansen statement about buying redemption. Simply devastating.

Ilan Pappe, Israeli historian:

In Israel’s view, “only Israel is going to decide the fate” of Palestine, and the rest of the world will either accept or reject its plans. So no one else has agency. The two-state solution is a Zionist idea, entailing the gift of autonomy to Palestinians within a prison on the West Bank if they will only reconcile themselves to a Jewish state on their land. “No normal Palestinian would agree to partition.” Algerians didn’t accept partition of their land either.

The magnitude of Israeli crimes against Palestinians can only be understood by considering the full history. Because: “daily events are not catastrophic enough” to register with the mainstream media.

Peter Hansen formerly the head of the UN Works and Relief Agency:

The peace process that he once believed could bring justice– “I can only think of it as a cruel joke.” It has nothing to do with principle, but simple dealmaking between powers, and the UN has abandoned its own principles, norms and values merely to have a seat at the table.

As for the huge UN presence in the occupied territories, the aid is a Bandaid on a cancer, and whenever Hansen tried to raise the necessity of addressing underlying political issues with the donor countries, he was told his views were not welcome.

“I was not supposed to talk about anything except how to get truckloads delivered… The donor countries… like to think they have bought redemption.”

Vera Gowlland-Debbas, an expert on international law:

Israel enjoys an immunity from enforcement by international legal bodies that no other nation does. In dozens of other conflicts we have seen UN-declared arms embargoes, targeted sanctions, monitoring systems, and peacekeeping forces. In others there have been criminal tribunals. Israel has never experienced any such punishments. The Security Council refused to accept the Goldstone Report and the landmark International Court of Justice opinion on the wall in 2004—declaring that it was a de facto annexation of 16 percent of Palestinians’ territory, and made those territories into virtual Bantustans—the Security Council has done nothing to enforce the ruling.

When Iraq occupied Kuwait, it suffered crippling sanctions. Darfur and Libya have been sent to the International Criminal Court. The right of return has been honored in Georgia and Bosnia and Kosovo. Nothing doing in Palestine.

Roger Waters, a juror for the Russell Tribunal and bassist for Pink Floyd:

The “elephant in the room” is the unspoken cause of this long and unrelenting pattern of impunity, and that cause is “the Israel and Jewish lobby,” which sits atop the entire discussion. That is why the opinion of the multitudes is set to the side in this situation, as in no other.

I was grateful for Waters’s  breaking the ice, because I agree with him. That takes me back to the argument about the lobby and the two state solution at the New School, which I will get to tomorrow.

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If no normal Palestinian would agree to partition, then the current status quo is doomed to continue for generations – or at least until Mr. Pappe and his leftist buddies can convince Israel to dissolve itself.

Ilan Pappe, Israeli historian: …The two-state solution is a Zionist idea, entailing the gift of autonomy to Palestinians within a prison on the West Bank if they will only reconcile themselves to a Jewish state on their land. “No normal Palestinian would agree to partition.” Algerians didn’t accept partition of their land either.

Ilan Pappé (paraphrased):

The magnitude of Israeli crimes against Palestinians can only be understood by considering the full history. Because: “daily events are not catastrophic enough” to register with the mainstream media.

While it’s true that “daily events” don’t register with the MSM, neither does the “full history,” which if anything is totally beyond its grasp. That’s why modern alternatives, like mondoweiss, are so critical to overturning the status quo.

“The donor countries… like to think they have bought redemption.” (Peter Hansen)

No different than other phonies, like Mitt thinking that his LDS tithing has got his ass covered with his Heavenly Father, or “Liberals” who send fat cheques to Debbie W-S so they can feel OK about their lily-white gated communities and kids’ private schools.

Also true, Phil: Paul McCartney was the bassist for the Beatles. ;-)

PW: Ilan Pappe, Israeli historian

“Israeli”, you write. Only here.

This is fantastic, but I don’t know how much name recognition Roger Waters has among the general public. What is needed is for an A-lister, who already has a long established career (so harder to smear and blacklist), like Pitt or Clooney, so come out in support of this issue. If Vanessa Redgrave was brave enough to do this in the ’70s someone could do it now.

Israel enjoys an immunity from enforcement by international legal bodies that no other nation does.

While Israeli immunity should certainly be regretted, it is ridiculous to state that no other nation receives something similar. All of the Major Powers are immune to international enforcement, along with a list of US Special Friends. Let me know the day Saudi Arabia gets called out by any international body.

Otherwise, there was a great deal of truth spoken at these conferences.