Couldn’t make this up — Official name of Israeli demolition plan for new East Jerusalem park is ‘They Won’t Know and Won’t Understand 2012′

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The belongings of the Aramin family is seen after the Jerusalem municipality demolished their house, in the village of At-Tur, East Jerusalem, November 13, 2012(photos by Oren Ziv/ Activestills.org)

This is not a sick joke, it’s real.

Haaretz:

“They Won’t Know and Won’t Understand 2012” – this is the name that was given to the Israel Nature and Parks Authority plan to demolish Arab structures and remove rubble in the area of the Mount Scopus Slope National Park, slated to be established in East Jerusalem.

The document, which has been obtained by Haaretz, details the preparations for clearing the site of the planned national park and states that the aim of the operation is “to prevent interference in designation of the area as a national park and the preservation of nature and landscape values.”

The “mission,” according to the document, is for the municipal authorities, with the help of the Jerusalem District of the Nature and Parks Authority and the command of the Jerusalem Police, to “act in accordance with a municipal bylaw to fill burrows and to remove hazards.”

A year ago, the Jerusalem Planning and Building Committee approved the plan to establish a new national park in the area of Mount Scopus. However, the plan was frozen by a court order due to a petition regarding the question of whether it is necessary to translate “They Won’t Know and They Won’t Understand” into Arabic.

Palestinian residents and left-leaning organizations in the city say the aim of the national park, like that of other parks and public gardens in East Jerusalem, is to prevent the development of the two adjacent Palestinian neighborhoods, Issawiya and a-Tur. The national park is slated to be constructed on areas designated in the past for expansion and will, in fact, create a situation in which the neighborhoods will not have anywhere to develop.

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[T]he park is that it has no justification as far as nature and the landscape in the area, as most of the site consists of stretches with no vegetation or wildlife and very few archaeological sites of unusual value.

The Jerusalem municipality demolished another home in the East Jerusalem village of At-Tur today.

photoTarek Aramin looks at a uprooted tree, as he stands near the ruins of his house, demolished by the Jerusalem municipality, in the village of At-Tur, East Jerusalem, November 13, 2012.(Photo by: Oren Ziv/ Actviestills.org)

23 Responses

  1. Kathleen
    November 13, 2012, 2:30 pm

    Israel just continues to commit crimes against humanity. We know this will not be making onto the “liberal” MSNBC

  2. pabelmont
    November 13, 2012, 3:23 pm

    Seems routine. Routinely brazen. Let the nicey-nice American Zionists explain to you why they not only favor Israel in its original borders but now, after all the extra ethnic cleansing, robbery, land-theft, murder, etc., etc., ad naus.

    Surely a time must come when such people will turn away and say, “I can’t believe I supported and protected that! Before, Jews were never criminals! And we didn’t create a state in the name of saving Jews in order to torture and dispossess and oppress another people.”

  3. Shmuel
    November 13, 2012, 3:48 pm

    Still in the planning stages: Projects “Pull the Wool Over Their Eyes”, “They Won’t Know What Hit ‘em”, “Pretend We Care” and “Catch Us if You Can, Hehe”.

  4. douglasreed
    November 13, 2012, 5:13 pm

    There can now be little doubt within the global community that Israel’s continuing violation of international law in its escalating land grab in the occupied territories of the West Bank and also in East Jerusalem is bringing the Middle East ever nearer to the brink of war.

    That war is likely to turn nuclear as the expected loss of civilian lives materializes in major conurbations and Israel deploys its undeclared nuclear weapons of mass destruction in a desperate attempt to maintain its military superiority.

    Currently, global stock markets have yet to reflect this very real potential danger, but that can well change overnight.

  5. Kate
    November 13, 2012, 5:52 pm

    I’d like to add the second paragraph in the Haaretz article:

    “The phrase “They See Not, Nor Know” appears twice in the Bible, for example in Isaiah: 44. In both places, it is used to denounce pagans and people who did not recognize the God of Israel.”

    Makes the name seem even worse.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 14, 2012, 12:37 am

      kate, they must have changed the text and added that paragraph because i copied this straight from the original earlier today, from the top. the first break in the text is signified by the ( …… ).

      thanks for the info tho, i hope people open the link and read the whole article.

  6. Elliot
    November 13, 2012, 6:02 pm

    This does look like a play on Mt. “Scopus”. The Hebrew word for the hill translates into Israeli Hebrew, among other things, as: “spectators”.
    From the top of the mountain we see; those below us are blind.

    Thousands of years of Jewish tradition went into reinterpreting this kind of Biblical expression (Isaiah 44:9) into a spiritual message. Then comes along Israel and throws us back into the harshness of Biblical literalism. No wonder they are bed with the Christian fundamentalists.

  7. Mayhem
    November 13, 2012, 7:17 pm

    They Won’t Know and Won’t Understand 2012

    is NOT the name used for Israel’s Parks Authority plan.

    The name is “They See Not, Nor Know” and Annie hasn’t bothered to explain the origins of the name.

    Bad choice of name without question, but nothing in comparison with the PLO’s Ten Point Plan – now there is something to discuss. Try this remark for starters:
    “Once it is established, the Palestinian national authority will strive to achieve a union of the confrontation countries, with the aim of completing the liberation of all Palestinian territory, and as a step along the road to comprehensive Arab unity.”

    Sounds like a paraphrasing of “Palestine from the river to the sea” with its intension bring the elimination of Israel. Put those words alongside concerns here about ‘demolish Arab structures and remove rubble’ for true perspective.

    • Elliot
      November 13, 2012, 10:25 pm

      Let’s not change the subject just because Jewish racism is such an unpleasant topic.
      BTW, both phrases are in Isaiah 44. One is verse 9. The other verse 19. It’s fair to link the pejorative terms: they don’t see, therefore they don’t know, therefore they don’t understand.

    • talknic
      November 14, 2012, 12:00 am

      Mayhem November 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm

      Abbas twice now at the UN, in front of the world, has generously offered to forgo all the territory illegally acquired by war by Israel by 1949 and ” to establish the State of Palestine on only 22% of the territory of historical Palestine – on all the Palestinian Territory occupied by Israel in 1967″ link to haaretz.com and again in 2012

      You must of course ignore this incredibly generous offer in order for you to keep making a fool of yourself by propagating stupid scripted easily disproven propaganda.

      Well done!

    • Hostage
      November 14, 2012, 1:13 am

      but nothing in comparison with the PLO’s Ten Point Plan – now there is something to discuss. Try this remark for starters:
      “Once it is established, the Palestinian national authority will strive to achieve a union of the confrontation countries, with the aim of completing the liberation of all Palestinian territory, and as a step along the road to comprehensive Arab unity.”

      It might be instructive to point out that plan was adopted in 1974. Back then, Arab Palestine was still a synonym for Western Jordan and there already was an existing union with Eastern Jordan. It has long since been dissolved. No one has expressed any interest in a loose confederation, let alone a federal union, since the Reagan initiative petered-out. That idea is just as dead and buried as the men behind it.

    • talknic
      November 14, 2012, 1:17 am

      “Sounds like a paraphrasing of “Palestine from the river to the sea” with its intension bring the elimination of Israel.”

      Speculation put forward by propagandists for a Greater Israel ignoring the generous concessions the Palestinians and Arab States have put forward (only to be completely ignored by Israel as it continues to illegally acquire and illegally settle Palestinian territory).

      “Put those words alongside concerns here about ‘demolish Arab structures and remove rubble’ for true perspective”

      The true perspective is that Israel has for 64 years been demolishing Arab structures in Arab territory, while the Arab States and Palestinians have NOTHING of Israel’s, demolish nothing belonging to Israel. They do not occupy any Israeli territory, they have no roadblocks in Israeli territory, have never illegally acquired any Israeli territory, never illegally annexed any Israeli territory and have never illegally settled in any Israeli territory

      There are no UNSC resolutions outstanding against the Arab States. Israel has hundreds of outstanding UNSC resolutions BTW, most of which are reminders. The Law and UN Charter fall on the side of the Palestinians who only demand their rights under the Laws Israel is obliged to uphold.

    • anonymouscomments
      November 14, 2012, 2:57 am

      translation…

      some dispossessed palestinians rejected the idea of a “jewish state” built upon massive dispossession. much like early calls for a parliamentary palestinian state, accepted by some jews, they desire such a sweeping and just resolution.

      so in response to some (idealistic, toothless) calls for a just resolution, we should view israeli past and present dispossession in a favorable light! and i will not quote old zionist quotes, let alone actions, as that just confuses my circular logic even more, and reveals marked hypocrisy.

      long live greater israel!

    • Shmuel
      November 14, 2012, 3:57 am

      They Won’t Know and Won’t Understand 2012
      is NOT the name used for Israel’s Parks Authority plan.
      The name is “They See Not, Nor Know”

      That’s what’s so cool about Hebrew. It can be both! As a matter of fact, the average Hebrew reader would automatically read both verbs in the future (because the second verb, in modern Hebrew, can only be understood in the future – biblical tenses are a little different). So the “genius” who came up with the name must have had a good neo-biblical chuckle at his clever double entendre. I think the translation “They Won’t Know and Won’t Understand 2012″ (with an explanation of the source – added to the English version of the article only later) is the more accurate one, as that is the way it reads in Modern Hebrew (the language in which the plan is written), and was certainly intended.

      Of course, the name is just a curiosity – an indication of the heights of hubris and arrogance that current Israeli administrations (national and municipal) have reached. The real issue is the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Jerusalem.

    • amigo
      November 14, 2012, 8:36 am

      Or try these remarks.

      “In a letter Ben-Gurion sent to his son in 1937, he wrote: “No Zionist can forgo the smallest portion of the Land Of Israel. [A] Jewish state in part [of Palestine] is not an end, but a beginning ….. Our possession is important not only for itself … through this we increase our power, and every increase in power facilitates getting hold of the country in its entirety. Establishing a [small] state …. will serve as a very potent lever in our historical effort to redeem the whole country.” (Righteous Victims, p. 138) * In 1938, Ben-Gurion made it clear of his support for the “Jewish state” on part of Palestine was only as a stepping ground for a complete conquest. He wrote: “[I am] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state–we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel.” (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403) * One day after the UN vote to partition Palestine, Menachem Begin, the commander of the Irgun gang and Israel’s future Prime Minister between 1977-1983, proclaimed: “The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized …. Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever.” (Iron Wall p. 25)

      You were saying??.

  8. AhVee
    November 14, 2012, 10:53 am

    At least concerning I / P, I’m becoming increasingly convinced that it’s more a case of “We may know, but don’t care”.

    Do you guys think that the majority of stout Israel defenders /hasbarites and islamophobes honestly do not believe in the existence of injustice towards Palestinians? I’m becoming increasingly convinced that their so-called denial is a shaky construct, comprised of strawman arguments and deliberate obtuseness, built up to cloak their conditioned negative emotional response towards Palestinians / Muslims as “our enemies” or just “people who are not like us “. I think that if you strip a lot of the BS logic away from them, it really comes down to “I hate muslims / Islam / Palestinians and I honestly don’t care if they’re being wronged because I dislike them so much / sympathise with the “wrongdoer” so much more”.
    Calling attention to the plight of a peoples only works on those who are already predisposed to favoring / seeking justice, but fails on those for whom “justice” is not as important as religious or cultural affiliations.

    This may be obvious, but I just recently had an epiphany when I talked to someone whose short reply to my lengthy warble on I / P was “I know. I’m still pro-Israel though, and nothing will change that.” I’ve been thinking long and hard about how to find access to these people, and have been failing miserably. I’m also less enthused now than I was before to argue with apologists, because I’m convinced that at some level, it all breaks down to the above-mentioned. I’m even close to saying that I don’t believe that the emotional responses we were conditioned to heed whilst growing up will ever really leave, or at least that many people don’t seem to have the strength and / or the will to overcome them in favor of promoting justice.

    • Stephen Shenfield
      November 14, 2012, 1:17 pm

      I recognize what you’re talking about. Someone I used to think of as a good friend reacted to my concern for Palestinians with a sort of condescending amusement, and I realized: they are not people he cares about, despite his superficial attachment to universal liberal values. Is there any way of getting through to such people? Yes, I think so, although it’s a way that is morally repugnant and therefore hard to follow. It is to argue against Zionism in terms of long-term Jewish self-interest. After all, a very strong case can be made along those lines (Israel’s growing isolation, the steady shift in world opinion, the decline of the US as a world power, etc.). Once you start to talk in terms of what these people care about — i.e., “what’s good for the Jews” — there’s a good chance they will calm down, stop regarding you as an enemy, and give serious consideration to what you say. You are not likely to convince them right away, of course, but you may plant a seed of doubt.

      • Chu
        November 14, 2012, 2:11 pm

        I have these friends also. And when I aim for an explanation of their bias it’s usually ‘my mom is Jewish, so…’ or even dead silence – as if the conversation will not be entertained. It’s sad because we agree on so many other political and cultural issues. Once I even mentioned to a colleague that the president of Israel was recently accused of rape and the response was ‘you don’t get to talk about Israel’. And they often consider themselves so advanced and progressive.
        who knows? This could be the golden age of humanity and hypocrisy.

      • Mooser
        November 14, 2012, 3:00 pm

        Oh, I see, Shenfield! Good strategy! You simply fight against one manifestation of nationalist Jewish identity by pushing another! Explaining that if we play the ‘long game’ we can still come out winners.
        Say, Stephen, do you ever tell people that we will be punished for Zionism? That we will have to make an accounting for it and pay for it? No point in doing that, is there? I mean why make a fool of yourself? Or have people suspect you of ‘self-hatred’? Who needs that?
        So you want to “plant the seed of doubt”. Now why do I suspect that you think so little can be done, because it’s really very little you want to do?

      • AhVee
        November 14, 2012, 9:28 pm

        No, just plain no, for many reasons, including those which Mooser has already mentioned.

        I once corresponded with a guy who was very pro-Palestinian, the sole reason he cited for that is when his mother was pregnant with him and about to give birth, a Palestinian man rushed his mother to the hospital in his car, and comforted her while she was waiting to give birth. I also know a girl who feels the same way about Israel no matter what, because she dug up Jewish great-great grandparents.
        As much as I hate to admit it, but humans are far less rational than we like to think we are, and facts / reason are far from being the ultimate weapons, seeing as they are oftentimes used as mere tools, as a means to an end which has already been reached.

    • Chu
      November 14, 2012, 2:08 pm

      I think a lot of it stems from Israel and the ‘whatever it takes’ to form a homeland. Parents tell their kids that anti-semitism exists and we’ll only be safe if we have a defended homeland. Of course that has evolved into what you mention about siding with Israel even if it means blocking out what a corrupt center the state of Israel has become.

  9. valency
    November 14, 2012, 2:32 pm

    Yes, I think so, although it’s a way that is morally repugnant and therefore hard to follow. It is to argue against Zionism in terms of long-term Jewish self-interest.

    Yes, that’s the whole MJ Rosenberg strategy. I find it cheap, insincere and self-crippling, insofar as you cannot, from this perspective, articulate the most fundamental reasons to oppose Israel’s project, the profound racism of a colonial regime, but perhaps, in the current climate, and givn human psychology, it is the only way to get through to some people. Fortunately I am on mondoweiss, and psuedonymous, so I can afford to be frank in loathing such a perspective. I have to self-censor so much in my offline life, that I guess I understand why Rosenberg is so mealy-mouthed. Doesn’t stop me throwing up my hands when he trots out the most morally obtuse arguments, though.

  10. tear-stained uzi
    November 15, 2012, 4:46 am

    The “mission,” according to the document, is for the municipal authorities, with the help of the Jerusalem District of the Nature and Parks Authority and the command of the Jerusalem Police, to “act in accordance with a municipal bylaw to fill burrows and to remove hazards.”

    Just clearing out the Untermenschen vermin from their filthy warrens. Yes, it’s dirty work, but how else to make the desert bloom?

    Only the choosiest ethnic-cleansers choose Caterpillar!

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