‘We will make sure every American knows he is an anti-Semite’ — anonymous neocon threat to Hagel

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Should have seen this coming. Note the phrase “Some Jews,” leading off Katie Glueck report at Politico:

Some Jews and supporters of Israel voiced major concerns about the possible nomination of former Sen. Chuck Hagel to lead the Defense Department, taking to Twitter and the blogosphere this week to slam the Nebraska Republican.

“Send us Hagel and we will make sure every American knows he is an anti-Semite,” a senior Republican Senate aide told the Weekly Standard. The aide continued, “Hagel has made clear he believes in the existence of a nefarious Jewish lobby that secretly controls U.S. foreign policy. This is the worst kind of anti-Semitism there is.”

The Times of Israel reported that “The nomination of Hagel would likely worry Israel supporters, who have criticized the former Republican senator for what they see as a chilly stance toward the Jewish state.”..

At the White House Hanukkah party Thursday, according to a BuzzFeed report, Jewish leaders on both sides of the aisle expressed concern over a possible Hagel nod. The BuzzFeed story cited criticism of Hagel, dating back several years, that came from the National Jewish Democratic Council and its then-executive director, Ira Forman, who more recently oversaw Jewish outreach for the Obama reelection campaign.

Thanks to American in Comment section.

47 Responses

  1. doug
    December 14, 2012, 1:01 pm

    “Hagel has made clear he believes in the existence of a nefarious Jewish lobby that secretly controls U.S. foreign policy. This is the worst kind of anti-Semitism there is.”

    This is obviously wrong. Nothing “secret” about it. Also it isn’t interested in the entire foreign policy, only that which impacts Israel.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 14, 2012, 1:23 pm

      oh please. with sources like Aaron David Miller? pot calling kettle black, he’s a racist.

      link to weeklystandard.com

      this is the ‘evidence':

      The top aide Republican Senate aide passes along this quotation from Hagel: “The political reality is that … the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here.”

      The quotation attributed to Hagel appeared in Aaron David Miller’s 2008 book The Too Much Promised Land.

      besides, it’s wouldn’t be anti semitic if it’s true.

      • seanmcbride
        December 14, 2012, 1:51 pm

        Aaron David Miller is himself a leading member of the Israel lobby, an Israel Firster, and a “liberal Zionist” who worked diligently, along with other “liberal Zionists” like Dennis Ross and Martin Indyk, to sabotage the Mideast peace process he pretended to support.

        What do you want to bet that quite a few “liberal Zionists” will go on the attack against Chuck Hagel, whose attention is focused without distraction on the American interest and the well-being of Americans — watch and see.

        This could be a replay of the Chas Freeman debacle and the assault that was conducted by “liberal Zionists” in the Democratic Party on Obama and Biden when they spoke out against Israel’s settlements policy in 2009. These people are so incredibly predictable once you know their script.

        I hope I am proved wrong and that they are beginning to see the light.

      • seanmcbride
        December 14, 2012, 2:10 pm

        There we go: Peter Beinart’s “liberal Zionist” publication, Open Zion, is already going on the attack against Chuck Hagel — on behalf of the Israeli government and the Israel lobby, of course:

        “Hagel is the wrong choice”
        link to thedailybeast.com

        Why is Peter Beinart publishing Gil Troy?

        In any case, it’s gratifying to see one’s predictions instantly confirmed.

        Googling [Gil Troy] pulls this up:

        Gil Troy is an American presidential historian and a Zionist activist. He is Professor of History at McGill University and a Research Fellow in the Shalom Hartman Institute’s Engaging Israel Program.

        A Zionist activist? Who would have guessed?

      • Shingo
        December 14, 2012, 8:44 pm

        Thanks Sean,

        But reading the comments is very revealing. Every one if them dismisses Troy as an Israeli firster and ridiculed his pathetic arguments.

        And the fact that Beinart is hosting this pathetic shill just confirms how stuck Beunart remains in his anachronistic ways,

        He’s another face of J Street. Utterly irrelevant.

      • sardelapasti
        December 15, 2012, 12:33 am

        “A Zionist activist? Who would have guessed?”

        Not Mondoweiss, who was all but canonizing that –always openly Zionist– jerk as a stained glass saint not so many weeks ago. Nor any other “Jewish” solidarity people.

      • seanmcbride
        December 15, 2012, 10:57 am

        Shingo,

        And the fact that Beinart is hosting this pathetic shill just confirms how stuck Beunart remains in his anachronistic ways.

        Beinart is a “liberal Zionist” — that is all you really need to know about him or any other “liberal Zionist” — they are all perfectly predictable in their pursuit of the Israeli interest and of their own narrow ethnic self-interest. They simply can’t think outside the box of ethnic nationalism, and they will turn on anyone who challenges their basic assumptions about the world — often with incredible brutality and malice.

        Regarding “liberal Zionists” in general: they may be the most duplicitous and treacherous political operatives on the planet. They have mastered the art of saying one thing and doing the opposite, hoping to distract their audience with their empty and misleading words.

        How do many “liberal Zionists” respond to American political leaders who effectively challenge right-wing Israeli governments? By attempting to destroy them, of course.

        Until “liberal Zionists” are unmasked and defeated politically, there will be no movement forward in trying to solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict — and the United States will continue to be ruined by endless Mideast wars instigated by Israel and the Israel lobby.

      • American
        December 14, 2012, 2:52 pm

        “The political reality is that … the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here.”

        The thing is anyone who even generally follows foreign policy
        ( not even Israel specifically) on the net, reads WP or NYT on line, not to mention MW or general news blogs even , cannot miss the existence or influence of the Lobby…..it’s out there, not hidden at all.

      • RoHa
        December 15, 2012, 12:06 am

        “it’s wouldn’t be anti semitic if it’s true.”

        Are you sure about that, Annie? I thought that truth and reality were irrelevant to claims of antiSemitism.

        What interests me is “This is the worst kind of anti-Semitism there is.”

        Worse than, say, slaughtering a few million Jews?

      • Cliff
        December 15, 2012, 2:41 am

        Refer to Israel’s organ trafficking scandal.

        The truth does not matter to Zionists. The human rights organizations are all ‘against’ Israel insofar as Israel is a law-breaking, human rights violating, pariah State and country and nation.

        Israeli spirit (Zionist) is to do whatever it wants to whomever using the Holocaust as a justification.

        But antisemitism is a framework. Something like the organ trafficking issue was real but Zionist Jews framed its early reporting as blood libel and whatever other antisemitic tropes existed in relation to reality.

        It’s Zionist Jews who are antisemitic because they take reality and dumb it down to a string of antisemitic memes. That is the culmination of human events and history – irrational, unfounded, inexplicable Jew-hatred.

        Even the term ‘Jew-hatred’ is a evidence of psychological insulation/cult mentality. Zionist Jews worship themselves.

      • MHughes976
        December 15, 2012, 11:25 am

        Further on ‘not anti-Semitic if true’ – if we consider the proposition that ‘significant wrongdoing among people who are Jewish is inconceivable’ most of us, including most diehard Zionists, would surely reject it. At this rate, it is possible that some allegations of wrongdoing of this kind are true. Things then depend on what we mean by anti-Semitism: do we apply the term a) to such allegations – i.e. allegations of wrongdoing among people who are Jewish – as are false b) to all these allegations, true or false? If a), then it follows without doubt that if it’s true, it need not be anti-Semitic. If b), then it follows without doubt that if it’s true there are forms of anti-Semitism which are at least in part truthful. There is no logical route, unless we fall back on the proposition which I still think almost all of us would reject, away from both these consequences: avoiding one is accepting the other.
        It gives no pleasure to know that the majority of Jewish people despise the opinions I hold. We ought to be conscious that there is only one human race. But attempts to foreclose the discussion by accusing anti-Zionists of anti-Semitism is as trivial logically as it is effective rhetorically.

      • talknic
        December 15, 2012, 4:50 am

        //wouldn’t be anti semitic if it’s true//

        “true”? Wassat? link to wp.me

      • Annie Robbins
        December 15, 2012, 2:27 pm

        well that’s what i mean talknic, anti semitism isn’t the same as pointing out policy which favorites israel due to lobby influence.

      • Klaus Bloemker
        December 15, 2012, 9:58 am

        - this quotation from Hagel: “The political reality is that … the Jewish lobby intimidates …”
        ———————-
        “Israel lobby” has become PC – but “Jewish lobby”?

        Mooser would also suspect that this construct was made up in a conspiracy-theory anti-Semitic mind.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 15, 2012, 2:29 pm

        ooooohh k, he wasn’t pc. you’re right.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 15, 2012, 2:32 pm

        oh boy, maybe i really stuck my foot in my mouth about miller after reading this:

        link to mondoweiss.net

  2. pabelmont
    December 14, 2012, 1:14 pm

    Good. I look forward to hearing him questioned and saying, “I believe Israel has a right to security — but not a right to 45 years of occupation during which it has repeatedly and since 1980 continually violated the Fourth Geneva Convention in numerous ways, the chief way being the settling of Jewish Israelis as settlers inside the occupied territories on land confiscated illegally from Palestinians.”

    Way to go, Obama, and even if Hagel is not confirmed, this should be a WONDERFUL opportunity for Obama (and Hagel) to educate America. Hope they take the opportunity to take an opportunity.

    • Kathleen
      December 15, 2012, 9:18 am

      Let’s encourage them. Contact Obama at the White House contact page.

  3. American
    December 14, 2012, 1:32 pm

    Yea, we know pretty much who the “some ‘ are…..the same ones who go on the attack every time. Let’s see who first publicly emerges in the senate to denounce Hagel.
    Wonder if the msm is going to have anyone opposing Hagel on a news show.
    If so, I doubt they go so far as to outright call him a anti semite, they will bad mouth him in others ways. It seems they steer clear of going to the general public with the anti semite charge in these attacks…which is smart of them. They keep it a DC insider political circle fight and rally their Israel base thru the net and their others orgs to flood the WH and congress with complaints.
    It the general public had seen all the attacks like this by zios that we followers of this have seen there would even more head stratching and WTF is this? going around in the public.
    Can you imagine seeing the lunatic Pam Geller on CNN calling Hagel a anti semite and saying because he’s not loyal enough to Israel he can’t be US Sec. of Defense or calling Carter an anti semite on national TV back when they were attacking him?
    Nope they will avoid that…love to see it happen though…..expose how crazy they are.

  4. American
    December 14, 2012, 2:31 pm

    “The political reality is that… the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here.” Hagel then related a meeting he had in New York with a group of supporters of Israel who are pushing the U.S. to attack Iran. When Hagel said it hadn’t worked out that well in Iraq, a couple of members of the group said he wasn’t supportive enough of Israel.
    Hagel spoke firmly: “Let me clear something up here if there’s any doubt in your mind. I’m a U.S. Senator. I’m not an Israeli senator. I’m a U.S. Senator. I support Israel… But my first interest is, I take an oath to the constitution of the United States. Not to a president, not to a party, not to Israel.”

    SOURCE –
    link to philipweiss.org
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I like Hagel for a lot of reasons, not solely just because I agree with his position on US-Israel.
    What I like him most for is he has integrity and is a straight talker and does not pander to special groups when he believes (knows) they are wrong on principle or a issue. He doesn’t just tell people whatever they want to hear or talk out of both sides of his mouth.
    What he said to the pro Israel questioner is exactly what and how it should be said…it’s not an attack on Israel, it’s a statement of principle about the US and US leaders should put the interest of their country first….not be swayed by special interest or have favored foreign nations they ‘abdicate’ US policy to.
    The zios in their delusional and twisted agenda call this anti semitism…what they are saying to everyone is the US will act our and Israel’s interest, not your own or you’re anti semites.
    I really would like see them doing a full on blitz on national TV msm promoting the line that it is anti semitic for the US or anyone not to do exactly as Israel and they dictate no matter the cost or conquences to the US…..I think that would go a long way toward the end of their influence.
    Maybe they will eventually either get desperate enough or over confident enough to actually try it.. They sort of played around the edges of that tactic with Netanyahu’s inteference in our Presidential elecion.

  5. lysias
    December 14, 2012, 2:53 pm

    They succeeded in stopping Bill Clinton from appointing Bobby Ray Inman Secretary of Defense.

    • seanmcbride
      December 14, 2012, 5:57 pm

      lysias,

      They succeeded in stopping Bill Clinton from appointing Bobby Ray Inman Secretary of Defense.

      We need a list of all the American public officials, politicians and public figures who have been attacked, verbally abused and damaged by the Israel lobby for the last six decades or so. It must be a quite a long roster of victims by now.

      One wonders if pro-Israel activists ever worry about the potential blowback down the road from all the people around the world they physically or verbally attacked since the founding of Israel. Or perhaps in their minds they are convinced that God has granted them a divine right to engage in these attacks without any consequences to themselves.

  6. Taxi
    December 14, 2012, 3:04 pm

    I approve of all maneuvers that rattle-up the israeli firsters on Capitol Hill.

    • Kathleen
      December 15, 2012, 9:23 am

      I could care less about the rattling. And if all you have to do to get a rattle is tell the truth then let Aipac swallow their own tail.
      Sure would like to see a Secretary of Defense with a reasonable and remarkably clear head on their shoulders like Hagel. We sure are getting a sense of what Obama is thinking and it is a bit reassuring. Neither Kerry or Hagel would be pushing for a military intervention in Iran. In fact just the opposite. Sounds like the Leveretts and Dr. Zbig are having an influence on Obama

  7. justicewillprevail
    December 14, 2012, 3:04 pm

    So AIPAC and co are adopting their ‘let’s burn a witch’ strategy. They should read The Crucible, although it is doubtful they will understand it. Funnily enough Arthur Miller was hauled before the House of Representatives’ Committee on Un-American Activities in 1956. Now these modern day witch hunters have formed a Committe on Un-Israel Activities, and imagine they have the right to subject whoever they like to their kangaroo court, where innuendo, rumour and hearsay provide the evidence. Hagel has committed the ultimate crime – he is an American firster. Shocking.

    • Kathleen
      December 15, 2012, 9:29 am

      “American firster”good one. And in many ways a real friend to Israel by telling them the truth. The settlements hurt any hope of a Jewish state. They are burying that choice and the one state solution gets closer and closer which will only expose the apartheid methods that have been used for decades to intimidate, humiliate and slowly exterminate the Palestinians. Hagel is a friend to Israel and the I lobby in many ways by speaking the truth.

  8. Reds
    December 14, 2012, 4:01 pm

    ““Send us Hagel and we will make sure every American knows he is an anti-Semite,” a senior Republican Senate aide told the Weekly Standard. The aide continued, “Hagel has made clear he believes in the existence of a nefarious Jewish lobby that secretly controls U.S. foreign policy. This is the worst kind of anti-Semitism there is.”

    Interesting, so someone contacted the WS and said hey i’m x Republican Senator Aide(you would assume he told them which republican and who he was) and I want to attack Hagel. Can you quote me saying this but anonymously?

  9. marc b.
    December 14, 2012, 4:31 pm

    “Send us Hagel and we will make sure every American knows he is an anti-Semite,” a senior Republican Senate aide told the Weekly Standard. The aide continued, “Hagel has made clear he believes in the existence of a nefarious Jewish lobby that secretly controls U.S. foreign policy. This is the worst kind of anti-Semitism there is.”

    oh, to live the dream. ‘some jews’ are going to punish hagel for allegedly believing in ‘a nefarious jewish lobby controling foreign policy’ by scheming to undermine his nomination.

  10. Stephen Shenfield
    December 14, 2012, 4:38 pm

    “We will make sure every American knows he is an anti-Semite.” Who does “we” refer to? It is hard to see who it can refer to apart from the supposedly nonexistent “lobby.”

    If believing in the existence of the lobby is the “worst” form of anti-Semitism, then Nazism (for instance) must be one of the “better” forms.

    I hope Hagel sues his detractors for libel.

  11. LanceThruster
    December 14, 2012, 4:44 pm

    ‘We will make sure every American knows he is an anti-Semite’

    Or more accurately…

    ‘We will try to make sure every American *thinks* he is an anti-Semite thanks to our tireless and pervasive smears.’

  12. paabrhm
    December 14, 2012, 5:02 pm

    Time for action NOT just words. Everyone and everything has to be mobilized to make sure Hagel’s nomination is not killed before it is actually made and when/ if made supported by the widest possible spectrum of interests.

  13. bijou
    December 14, 2012, 5:44 pm

    Hagel has committed the ultimate crime – he is an American firster. Shocking.

    Nailed it.

  14. seanmcbride
    December 14, 2012, 5:59 pm

    # Attacks on Chuck Hagel by the Israel lobby and pro-Israel activists

    1. AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee)
    2. Gil Troy
    3. Ira Forman
    4. Jeff Dunetz (Yid with Lid)
    5. Josh Block
    6. Morton Klein
    7. NJDC (National Jewish Democratic Council)
    8. Open Zion
    9. Pamela Geller
    10. Philip Klein
    11. The Israel Project
    12. Times of Israel
    13. Weekly Standard
    14. ZOA (Zionist Organization of America)

    Just the opening volley — let’s keep track of who is doing the attacking and why. Why do they hate America? :)

    (That’s the kind of creepy argument that many pro-Israel activists use to try to muddle through their conceptual mess.)

    • Citizen
      December 15, 2012, 11:33 am

      @seanmcbride,
      You can add yesterday’s Commentary Magazine/blog: link to commentarymagazine.com

    • Citizen
      December 15, 2012, 11:38 am

      @ seanmcbride

      How far back should we go in building this Israel First hit list? How about Charles Percy in ’84? link to mondoweiss.net

      • seanmcbride
        December 15, 2012, 5:04 pm

        Citizen,

        How far back should we go in building this Israel First hit list? How about Charles Percy in ’84? link to mondoweiss.net

        At least as far back as James Forrestal.

        And, yes, Charles Percy would feature prominently on the list of victims of the Israel lobby.

    • seanmcbride
      December 15, 2012, 11:43 am

      An update on which parties have it in for Chuck Hagel:

      1. AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee)
      2. Alana Goodman
      3. Commentary Magazine
      4. Debbie Schlussel
      5. ECI (Emergency Committee for Israel)
      6. Frontpage Magazine
      7. Gil Troy
      8. Ira Forman
      9. Jeff Dunetz (Yid with Lid)
      10. Jennifer Rubin
      11. Josh Block
      12. Morris Amitay
      13. Morton Klein
      14. Noah Silverman
      15. NJDC (National Jewish Democratic Council)
      16. Open Zion
      17. Pamela Geller
      18. Philip Klein
      19. RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition)
      20. The Israel Project
      21. Times of Israel
      22. Weekly Standard
      23. William Kristol
      24. ZOA (Zionist Organization of America)

      See a pattern? :)

      Say, weren’t quite a few of these players ringleaders of the disastrous Iraq War, as well as being pro-Israel militants? Are there other attributes they share in common? Any demographic and statistical anomalies here?

  15. Shingo
    December 14, 2012, 6:29 pm

    I’m not an Israeli senator. I’m a U.S. Senator. I support Israel… But my first interest is, I take an oath to the constitution of the United States. Not to a president, not to a party, not to Israel.”

    That is the nightmare scenario for Israeli firsters. Someone who is commitee to putting the interests of this constituency first and who points put that the interests of the US and Israel are not the same thing.

  16. atime forpeace
    December 14, 2012, 6:38 pm

    This has a Purim feel to it.

  17. Ramzi Jaber
    December 14, 2012, 7:36 pm

    When will the American people demand to have control of their foreign ME policy back from the agents of the criminal zionist regime (aipac)???

    I wish Hagel becomes SecDef. In spite of some unwelcome statements that Kerry made (e.g. calling the wall “a legitimate act of self-defense”), I can live with him as SecState.

    Maybe Hagel-Kerry are an indication of what O has in mind for Palestine/Israel in his second term…………. we’ll see!

  18. American
    December 14, 2012, 7:51 pm

    This interesting. It may be that AIPAC won’t fight Hagel in a big way.
    But what’s really interesting is the hard core US Zios ‘committies’ and etc out there….they are breeding like bunny rabbits and it isn’t as easy to know everything they do since most of their work is probably..er… more ‘informal’ than what AIPAC does.

    link to thedailybeast.com
    Will AIPAC Get Out-Flanked On Hagel?
    by Peter Beinart Dec 14, 2012 9:30 AM

    If, as expected, President Obama names Chuck Hagel his secretary of defense, AIPAC will be among the big losers. But not for the reasons you might expect.

    Although AIPAC clearly distrusts Hagel, I doubt the organization will lobby hard against him. The reason: They can’t win. The fact, that Hagel is a Republican ex-Senator will limit the number of GOP Senators prepared to vote against him over Middle East issues. And few Democrats will buck President Obama. Already, Maryland’s Ben Cardin, a senator with deep ties to the organized Jewish community, has called Hagel and likely Secretary of State John Kerry “top people. Top talent.”

    Then-presumptive Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama speaks as then-Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) listens during a news conference at the citadel July 22, 2008 in Amman, Jordan. (Salah Malkawi / Getty Images)

    Since they can’t block Hagel’s nomination, my guess is that AIPAC would prefer to downplay it. The problem is that from the Republican Jewish Coalition to the Emergency Coalition for Israel to the Washington Free Beacon, there now exists an active network of groups to AIPAC’s right that won’t play along. Because they’re happy to pick fights (and thus raise their profile), even if they can’t win, these smaller right-wing “Pro-Israel” groups will make Hagel versus the “pro-Israel” groups a big story. This will raise the ire of right-leaning AIPAC donors upset that the organization isn’t opposing Hagel fervently enough. And it will make AIPAC look like the loser in a fight it didn’t want to have.

    It’s similar to what happened during this summer’s Democratic platform fight when AIPAC acquiesced to a plank that didn’t mention Jerusalem and found itself outflanked by groups to its right. As the Israel debate polarizes, and hard-liners on both sides gain strength, even a group like AIPAC risks getting caught in between. Hagel’s nomination could be clearest example yet.”

  19. Abdul-Rahman
    December 14, 2012, 7:52 pm

    These Zionist propagandists are absolutely repugnant; they actually assist ACTUAL racists and xenophobes (white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and that repulsive group of individuals, etc) with the stupid false charges they make against people of conscience and all kinds of various humanitarians. So if we tally the list among just some of the people who are supposedly “anti-Jewish” we get: Barack Obama, Norman Finkelstein, Jimmy Carter, Nelson Mandela, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, probably the whole group “Jewish Voice for Peace”, and basically just about all the left-leaning humanitarian groups that are speaking out in the case of human rights for ALL people.

  20. Les
    December 14, 2012, 8:51 pm

    “Two Jews, three opinions,” explains why there is no such thing as a Jewish Lobby. The Israel Lobby, which is all too real, claims to be the voice of all American Jews, the way the Nazi Party claimed to be the voice of the German people. The silence of those Jews who allow the Israel Lobby to do this makes them culpable — there’s the problem.

  21. kalithea
    December 14, 2012, 11:19 pm

    Obama appears to have a good rapport with Hagel. Zionists will put an end to that!:

    link to abendblatt.de

  22. chinese box
    December 15, 2012, 10:23 am

    I think Hagel means well, and I hope he gets in, but the concern is not so much the confirmation but that he’ll have to conform to intense “pro-Israel” pressures once he’s in office. Even people like Baker and Bush41 who tried to stand up to the lobby while in office failed at enacting any substantive change–US policy has remained essentially unchanged for decades now. The policy consensus of the Washington establishment (and congress) has proven thus far to be much more powerful than the will of any one individual. I really, really hope to be proven wrong on this, though.

  23. seafoid
    December 15, 2012, 11:18 am

    The Bot statement “he is an anti-Semite” is like one of those antibiotics that is no longer effective.

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