Re-elect Netanyahu and you get international boycott, Livni warns

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BDS goes mainstream
BDS goes mainstream

Yesterday we posted a Naftali Bennett video for the upcoming Israeli election that treats the boycott movement, BDS, as a force that Israel has to contend with.

Well here’s more evidence of BDS’s effect in Israel, from Tzipi Livni’s facebook page (thanks to Ofer Neiman, but link unavailable to me). The bus ad translates:

Bibi and Lieberman: international boycott

Tzipi Livni: political agreement

Brought to the public as food for thought by Hatnua [Livni's "The Movement" party]

24 Responses

  1. Krauss
    January 19, 2013, 1:39 pm

    Tzipi Livni. The leaked Wikileaks papers from the negotiations from Annapolis should have cemented the role she has.

    Her basic strategy is to be Bibi lite. Return to the negotiations, which she knows won’t lead anymore. Her real complaint is not over substance – it’s over style. Bibi is too brash for her taste but fundamentally, they are the same politican on Apartheid.

    P.S.

    In a recent meeting with foreign diolomats she let the pose slip:
    “The world is mistaken on settlements” she said.

    link to jpost.com

    Actually, it isn’t. That’s the problem, the world knows too well what those settlements, and the brutalization of an imprisoned people it requires, actually means. But that isn’t the issue. The issue is that Livni is no liberal. Never was. Never will be.

    P.P.S.

    Here is Larry Derfner, of 972 magazine, essentially making the same point:

    link to 972mag.com

    He calls her ‘far worse’ than Bibi. That’s hyperbole. Just the same is more exact, but the gist of his piece is basically what I just wrote. She is of the same cloth.

    • seafoid
      January 20, 2013, 4:27 am

      It’s a circus. Zippy is Bibi lite. Relatively left. But Bennett moves Bibi to the centre. This is all happening way out on the right of the spectrum. I think they are all the sociopathic same.

      And something like 70% of Israeli Jews won’t countenance the evacuation of any settlements.

    • pabelmont
      January 20, 2013, 8:03 am

      Same on settlements? Seems so. “Elect me to make nice with the world.”
      But, “who cares, anyhow” (sez Bibi, and truly). The world may have its opinions, and maybe speak its opinions in safe places (UNGA), but it never, never acts.

      It’s like USA pols wringing their hands over climate change, guns, blah.

      The really important power is held by immense international corporations, who buy governments, and these global giants will not allow more than speech on ZION (because the CEOs are Zionists personally, no corporate reason for this that I can see), climate change (there are REAL — if deeply misguided — reasons for BIG COAL and BIG OIL to seek the end of the world (later) in exchange for profits (now).

      Ask yourself this: why has NO COUNTRY — taking note of the illegality of the settlements and the wall — even so much as withdrawn its embassy from Israel (the most minimal “sanction”) despite their promise to “ensure respect for the Geneva conventions in all circumstances”?

      Bibi is safe from Livni. Because the world has other concerns.

    • yonah fredman
      January 20, 2013, 1:08 pm

      krauss- the linked article is by idan landau and not larry derfner. derfner is no fan of livni, but certainly not the anti fan that is in that article of idan landau

  2. Citizen
    January 19, 2013, 2:19 pm

    Not to worry. Anybody think Hagel, if appointed, and his boss, Obama, will repeat what Hagel told the US Senate in 02–that “Palestinians are in chains”? Or that, as Hagel also said, “terrorism” refers to a tactic and a war on it is just plain stupid–the point is to use America’s might to rebuild its own fallen reputation, which was its best asset and the linchpin for a long-term effective defense: responding with some awareness and effective help for those getting the very short end of the stick in the Middle East, especially the Palestinians–soft power that is balanced is most effective as strategy.

    • American
      January 19, 2013, 3:17 pm

      Speaking of Hagel again and my phone call to Senator Hagan’s office I saw this yesterday that mentioned she was one of the senators being targeted to oppose Hagel:….and oddly enough–I got a fund raising call from the DNC yesterday that mentioned re electing Hagan…I told them the same thing I told her office as the reason I wouldn’t donate to them.

      POLITICO
      Another group to hit Chuck Hagel from right
      The group will paint Hagel as ‘outside the mainstream’ on key defense issues.
      By MAGGIE HABERMAN | 1/17/13 5:13 PM EST
      A group of Republican strategists is forming a new outside group aimed at thwarting Sen. Chuck Hagel’s nomination as defense secretary, with a plan to air TV ads and to have people on the ground in the states of key senators to apply pressure in advance of his confirmation hearing.
      Americans for a Strong Defense will be the latest group to hit Hagel from the right. As POLITICO reported yesterday, the well-funded American Future Fund is launching a multistate ad campaign against Hagel, and the William Kristol-founded Emergency Committee for Israel has already aired cable ads in Washington arguing the former Nebraska senator is weak on Iran and in his support for Israel.”
      Comprising the board of the new group are Hook; Mauricio Claver-Carone, executive director of Cuba Democracy Advocates; and former Mitt Romney campaign hand Danny Diaz of FP1 Strategies, which is a 501(c)(4) and therefore won’t have to disclose its donors.

      Among the senators the group will pressure to oppose Hagel are Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and Kay Hagan of North Carolina. All of those Democrats are up for reelection in 2014″

      As I said and think I was right about, Hagan is looking for outside of NC money support from the pro Israel crowd for her 2014 run……her questions about Hagel & Israel aren’t on behalf of her constituents..she is way, way outside public opinion in her district on Hagel and starting anything with Iran.

    • W.Jones
      January 20, 2013, 2:54 am

      You know maybe O’Bama does not want to radically change US foreign policy, he just wants someone he can trust who will not hurt him.

  3. American
    January 19, 2013, 3:03 pm

    The Israeli leaders don’t actually think Israel proper would ever be boycotted…they still believe in the Jewish holocaust shield for Israel.
    I don’t really think Israel will be officially boycotted or sanctioned either by the powers that be…..until the last minute and it’s too late.
    I get the same feeling about Israel that I got when reading thru the nazi papers and documents….it was like watching a drawn out Hitchcock horror movie where the audience can see the killer moving closer and closer and you are sitting on the edge of your seat wanting to shout at the characters in the movie because they don’t see him.

    • Citizen
      January 20, 2013, 4:06 am

      @ American

      I’ve often had the same feeling. Time for a contemporary version of Cabaret, which would take place in the USA, say NYC… they could travel to upstate NY for the rural beer garden scene.

  4. radii
    January 19, 2013, 3:23 pm

    although it seems couter-intuitive we need to support the election/ascension of the most extreme elements to the leadership in israel and the U.S. Republican Party – sometimes for a virus to clear the body more quickly it needs to burn hot first

    • American
      January 20, 2013, 11:02 am

      radii says..
      “sometimes for a virus to clear the body more quickly it needs to burn hot first”>>>

      I have come to the same conclusion, given up hope that some world powers will intervene, in time anyway.
      M fear is the political world leadership has gone so far down it’s own slippery slope that the ‘creep of Israel’ is much like what Mayer described about Germans in his book..How the nazis went from step A to B and then to C and every more creeping on radical step was justified and acclimated to because it only become worse by ‘degrees”…not all at once.
      The politics of the world may have become to “use to’ the crimes of Israel—Cast Lead wasn’t too much worse than Lebanon—stealing the water of Palestine’s after their land was some kind of ‘expected’ progression– and so forth.
      Something big has to blow before I think before the world leadership reacts…even if it does then.
      Maybe I am wrong.

      I am listening to O’s inaugural speech. He is pontificating about how America seeks to be a friend to all….turn foes to friends, new era of peace, interpersed with America the great, loyalty and patriotism, responsibility is the price of citizenship, yada yada….wish I believed he was going to practice everything he says.

  5. ivri
    January 19, 2013, 5:55 pm

    One big mistake that people do is to consider Israel in isolation. It is not the holocaust that is its main shield anymore but how low the Arab world (the “opposite side”) scores in most people eyes in just about any segment you can think of (modernity, women rights, democracy, free speech, bigotry, education and sure enough the proneness to violence). That is even likely true in regard to the Palestinians in the West-Bank – a love-hate (or perhaps hate-like) attitude towards Israel. Don`t like it too much but more afraid from the alternatives (which they nightly watch on TV, from Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Libya, Bahrain, Yemen, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt,….).

    • W.Jones
      January 20, 2013, 2:49 am

      Should the “primitiveness” of surrounding nations protect South Africa’s Apartheid?

      Second, the current situation with Palestinians is that they have one of the world’s largest refugee populations, with millions living in squalid camps. What is the alternative to their current mass dispossession, and how is the alternative that ends their dispossession worse?

      • ivri
        January 20, 2013, 7:26 am

        Those outside the West-Bank, wherever they still live in squalor 65 years after they arrived must be an Arab country. So whose shame is that?

      • talknic
        January 20, 2013, 8:06 am

        ivri “So whose shame is that?”

        Simple. It’s the shame of the country refusing RoR.

        The Arabs from 1920’s – 1947 represented all the people of Palestine in their legal argument for a unitary Palestinian State, in accordance with democratic principles, whereby its inhabitants will enjoy complete equality before the law, [and whereby] minorities will be assured of all the guarantees recognised in democratic constitutional countries, and [whereby] the holy places will be preserved and the right of access thereto guaranteed.”

        The Arab States have generously hosted Palestine refugees for 64+ years at an incredible cost financially and at times socially. They have changed their legislature to accommodate the Palestinian refugee’s desire to retain RoR. They have fought wars on behalf of the Palestinians.

        The Arab States have no obligation to take on the responsibilities of Israel, who agreed to adhere International Law by pleading for and receiving recognition of the International Community of States, agreed to UNGA res 194, agreed to the UN Charter by pleading for acceptance as a UN Member State, agreed to the Armistice Agreements and agreed to GC IV.

      • sardelapasti
        January 20, 2013, 12:55 pm

        ivri:
        Forget “shame” and let’s talk crime. The invading Zionists who moved to a place they have no connection to to steal the Palestinian’s land are responsible for every red cent of damage and every ounce of suffering. “Arab” countries have nothing to do with that.

    • talknic
      January 20, 2013, 8:49 am

      ivri
      “One big mistake that people do is to consider Israel in isolation. “

      Name another country who has since May 15th 1948 illegally acquired by war over 50% of its neighbour’s territory, illegally annexed territory it has illegally acquired by war, illegally settled its citizens in territory illegally acquired by war and in illegally annexed territories. Name another country who has since May 22nd 1948 occupied the territory of its neighbour. Name another UN Member State who has since May 1949 had hundreds of UNSC resolutions passed against it for actions it has taken outside its own territories.

      “It is not the holocaust that is its main shield anymore..”

      The US maintains the veto vote in the UNSC to protect Israel from the consequences of Israeli actions illegal under International Law, the UN Charter and GC IV. Why are there over 30 Holocaust museums maintained in the US?

      Apart from keeping your bile dripping, the rest of your post is irrelevant to the actual legal extent of the sovereignty on which the UNSC bases its resolutions against Israel, which in turn are based on International Law and on statements by the official Jewish Agency representative to the UNSC prior to being recognized as a state and prior to being admitted as a UN Member State and on being an Occupying Power.

    • American
      January 20, 2013, 12:47 pm

      ivri says:

      One big mistake that people do is to consider Israel in isolation. It is not the holocaust that is its main shield anymore …”

      Yes it is…….that’s all they’ve got, without victimhood Israel is nothing,– no claim to exceptional impunity, no peoplehood,….. a primitive re-creation of a transitory primitive kingdom from ancient history that lasted for a speck in time and then disappeared —and then rebuilt on holocaust horror by the cult of zionism and a false history.
      You think we see any difference between the bigotry and primitiveness and backwardness of Israel then in similar backward Arab and any other countries?
      They are the same, Israel just bothers to lie about itself for holocaust $$$ , the others don’t bother..

      • Citizen
        January 20, 2013, 3:49 pm

        I think the holocaust is the main shield too. Other much more minor supports are the US war/security industry, now a vital part of the US economy and an engine for great massing of wealth by the top few %, a neo-cold war with Russia & China, Hagee style “end-timer” Christians, and fundy Christians generally who believe they need to support Israel to get to heaven.

        Another internal Israeli support/factor is that Israeli Jews, led by the settler movement (basically “land for free” with IDF cavalry protection), have been tossing off traces of the Enlightenment that came over with them from Europe, partly charged with socialistic communes mentality.
        If current Israel does not look increasingly like a mid-1930s fascist state, I will eat Mooser’s barely visible beanie, ersatz Viking antlers be damn. The irony is while bibi & the boyz say the clock is stuck in 1936, it really is–in Israel, and Israel is the bad guy. And the US is Chamberlain appeasing the Zionist aggressors.

    • eljay
      January 20, 2013, 1:28 pm

      >> One big mistake that people do is to consider Israel in isolation. It is not the holocaust that is its main shield anymore …

      Rule #1 when it comes to the oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” is: Never forget to “Remember the Holocaust!”(c)

      Sure, they’ll argue that the “Jewish State” has a “right” to exist in Palestine because:
      – they think self-determination means stealing land, ethnically-cleansing the indigenous population and setting up a supremacist state;
      – they’re a nation and a people and a culture and a civilization;
      – they found “a land without a people without a land”;
      – their “god” and their “holy book” say they’re entitled to do so; and
      – they use “reason” and “common sense”.

      But when push comes to shove, Rule #1 is their trump card.

      • American
        January 20, 2013, 9:56 pm

        ” Never forget to “Remember the Holocaust!”

        It’ sickening….nothing anyone could ever say or do could disrespect the victims of the holocaust as much as what Israel and the zionist have done with it and how they have capitalized on that suffering and death.
        It’s an absolute desecration.

  6. Scott
    January 19, 2013, 6:46 pm

    Yes, as Krauss said, Livni is a fraud as a peacemaker. But a good sign at least that BDS sufficiently resonates now in Israel that she would think that worry about it works as a campaign theme.

  7. W.Jones
    January 20, 2013, 2:48 am

    I am doubtful about the idea from Livni’s campaign “Re-elect Netanyahu and you get international boycott, Livni warns”, but it has a grain of truth.

    First, there has been a boycott for a very long time by Arab countries. Second, I highly doubt the establishments in Europe, Russia, or America are going to boycott it because they have so heavily invested in the “Project”.

    Third, regardless of whether Livni or Netanyahu is elected, the state policies will remain fundamentally the same. Livni won’t withdraw the settlements, and she was a cheerleader for the massive bombing of Gaza in 2009. At most, she will be easier for the P.A. to negotiate with, but her terms won’t be strongly different from what Netanyahu offered, I think. And so long as you have the settlements, there will be a Left boycott of them abroad.

    At most, you can say that with the more aggressive Netanyahu, it is easier to criticize the State and therefore build momentum for a civil society boycott, so there is a grain of truth in what she says.

  8. asherpat
    January 20, 2013, 5:27 am

    “Re-elect Netanyahu and you get international boycott, Livni warns”

    Let me see, Internationl Boycott on one hand, national suicide on the other. It’s a tough choice, but I think i’ll go with the former. MaHaL voting pad for me, please.

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