‘Emergency Committee for Israel’ can dish it out, but it can’t–

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When Chuck Hagel was confirmed as Secretary of Defense earlier this week, the Emergency Committee for Israel promptly posted a statement saying that the battle against Hagel had limited his freedom to hurt Israel in American policymaking and concluding:

This battle against Chuck Hagel is over. The fight for a principled, pro-Israel foreign policy goes on.

ECI solicited comments on the post, and soon published three critical ones, shown in the screenshot below. The last one says:

Ben Gayeh commented – 15 hours ago:
You stay classy Kristol, keep lobbying for a foreign government and against American interests. Great job on smearing a national hero who fought bravely for his country, not wholly different to how you fight for a foreign entity. By fight I mean lie, smear, raise unlimited secret money and wallow in your own filth. Go back to riding your daddy’s laurels.

The comments were soon scrubbed. And the post now appears as it does below. (Thanks to commenter iResistDe4iAm and Annie.)

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32 Responses

  1. pabelmont
    February 28, 2013, 10:17 am

    Cute: keeping an EARLY record of ADVERSE comments on web-sites. Keep it up! They tend to disappear. Here 10 hours intervened. I bet the early stuff disappeared much sooner.

  2. lysias
    February 28, 2013, 10:44 am

    A nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its policies made by cowards…

    Actually, Thucydides never said any such thing. Methinks Andrew Watts is no great shakes as a scholar himself.

  3. seafoid
    February 28, 2013, 10:52 am

    link to irishtimes.com

    “A complaint about broadcaster Vincent Browne referring to Israel as the “cancer in foreign affairs” on his late night TV3 show was upheld by the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland’s complaints committee.

    During the programme, Mr Browne said Israel “polarises the Islamic community of the world against the rest of the world” and also said that the creation of Israel “stole the land from the Arabs”.
    The complainant found three remarks made by the broadcaster during Tonight with Vincent Browne on October 23rd “deeply offensive” and “anti-Semitic”.

    In response to complaints, TV3 noted that Mr Browne clarified the remark on October 25th by saying he was not anti-Semitic and he was referring to Israel’s policy.
    In decisions released today, the BAI found Mr Browne’s remarks were not anti-Semitic.”

    • Chu
      February 28, 2013, 2:26 pm

      Anti-semetic is a red herring – a smoke screen that casts a dart into the chest of the accuser, as they miss the core complaint of Israel and it land theft.

      I think some get off on playing this card. It’s power without having to fight, hiding behind a shield of European history, yet we’re in the 21st century.

    • AbeBird
      March 1, 2013, 9:37 am

      The sad true is that he is an Anti-Semite. Anti-Semites always will blame the Jew for the bad and the ugly in the world. For that case Anti-Semites blame Israel for the “Arab spring”, 911, Titanic, WWI and WWII, Civil war….. you name it.

      • Philip Weiss
        March 1, 2013, 11:51 am

        The Titanic? I saw the Titanic and I thought it was great!

      • Woody Tanaka
        March 1, 2013, 1:38 pm

        “The sad true is that he is an Anti-Semite.”

        Nonsense. Nothing he said was antisemitic. Israel is a cancer on foreign policy; its racist and terroristic apartheid policy has polarized not only the Islamic community any decent human being, and the creation of israel was one giant unmitigated act of pure theft.

      • eljay
        March 1, 2013, 2:19 pm

        >> Anti-Semites always will blame the Jew for the bad and the ugly in the world.

        Agreed. Which is why it is not anti-Semitic to blame a specific subset of “the Jew” – namely, hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists – for the specific bad and ugly in the world for which they are responsible – namely, the oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” and its 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder.

      • eGuard
        March 1, 2013, 2:59 pm

        AbeBird: Anti-Semites blame Israel

        You still haven’t got a clue, do you?

      • American
        March 1, 2013, 3:30 pm

        AbeBird says:

        The sad true is that he is an Anti-Semite. Anti-Semites always will blame the Jew for the bad and the ugly in the world. For that case Anti-Semites blame Israel for the “Arab spring”, 911, Titanic, WWI and WWII, Civil war….. you name it.>>>>

        Oh blah,blah…exaggerate much?
        Tell you what Abe Bird, have Israel quit what’s it’s doing, return the stolen land, disband all it’s Israel lobbies and I-Firsters in other countries…….and watch how fast all your fears of Jew blame and anti semitism disappear. ….the whole subject would go into the dead letter file.
        Course if you and Israel don’t want to do that, if you want to keep on doing what you’re doing and pushing the world’s envelope, then go on, take your chances, just don’t whine when you’re treated like the skunk at the garden party.

    • IrishMark
      March 1, 2013, 3:56 pm

      I saw this live. Both comments are factually correct.
      After the complaints, he defended his comments on air.

      He is no anti-Semite but is a staunch defender of human rights at home and abroad.
      Many of his TV clips are on YouTube. is the one in question quote is 3:40 in.

  4. Karl Dubhe
    February 28, 2013, 11:39 am

    I clicked on your link, but there was no comment field there at all when I arrived.

    • Annie Robbins
      February 28, 2013, 12:55 pm

      it was there when i checked earlier. i tweeted them and let them know about our coverage, they must have removed it since then.

      • Reds
        February 28, 2013, 11:05 pm

        NPR does this when people give links to Israeli abuse. For whatever reason “Breaking the Silence” gets deleted a lot.

        It’s Boston member station “onpoint” allows gatekeepers to relentlessness attack others without moderation or censor(while defending Israel or attacking critics). Yet when they get the same in kind(doesn’t even have to be the same in kind) the comments are not only deleted but often results in instant bans with no response to reasoning to why. Yet the “Gatekeepers” keep trucking and nearly always gets there bigoted comments read.

        It currently disallows Palestinians on the show after a female guest broke the “Israeli Narrative” and it’s underwriting funding changed. It’s to the point someone from the WINEP is always on in relation to anything Middle East and comments against this are often censored even know it prides itself on open discussion. It’s debate now ranges from Pro-Israeli Zionist to Pro-Israeli NeoCon/Right-wing Zionist.

        Check the line up

        Gideon Rose
        link to onpoint.wbur.org

        Aaron David Miller
        link to onpoint.wbur.org

        David Ignatius
        link to onpoint.wbur.org

        Dani Dayan
        link to onpoint.wbur.org

        David Sanger
        link to onpoint.wbur.org

        David Rothkopf
        link to onpoint.wbur.org

        Nadia Matar
        link to onpoint.wbur.org

      • Philip Weiss
        March 1, 2013, 10:36 pm

        Thank you for this list. Nadia Matar, incredible.

  5. Empiricon
    February 28, 2013, 12:06 pm

    You’re right, Lysias. It’s a paraphrased quote widely misattributed to Thucydides. Actual quote is from British historian Sir William Francis Butler: “The nation that will insist on drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking done by cowards.”

    Still fits Bill the Bloody like a glove though, regardless of the authorship.

  6. Avi_G.
    February 28, 2013, 12:22 pm

    After years of seeing fanaticism, hatred, coercion, lies, pure racism and bigotry proudly donning the Star of David, I have come to see it as a symbol of hate and racism. A few more years of this and it will induce in me the same revulsion as the Swastika.

    • Citizen
      February 28, 2013, 1:31 pm

      And the swastika too once had an innocent origin. Who sees the yellow patch star these days when the sky inseparable from America’s own blue overhead, according to its leaders, is filled with F-16s boasting the Star Of David? Does that make Dick and Jane proud?

  7. ritzl
    February 28, 2013, 12:26 pm

    Now they’ve closed comments altogether. Must have gotten an earful.

  8. sardelapasti
    February 28, 2013, 12:48 pm

    Tell you the truth, “National hero who fought bravely for his country” for someone who was active invading and oppressing colonial peoples, a war criminal to be more precise, is exactly as puke-inducing as a glorification of Zionist murderers.

    The Hagel debate helped make a dent in the “Israel” image; his job is done and a good thing it was, too. Now that the Zios have cut his balls and buried the scythe we really should close this chapter.

    And I have a very nice bridge to sell anyone who expects anything from this Government. Cash only.

  9. MarkF
    February 28, 2013, 12:57 pm

    No one said they fight fair. Kristol & company kick you in the nuts until they win or leave you crawling on the floor looking for an ice pack.

    Sadly karma and justice don’t apply to neocons.

    • Shingo
      February 28, 2013, 10:24 pm

      Kristol & company kick you in the nuts until they win or leave you crawling on the floor looking for an ice pack.

      But they only do it when the lights are out and you’re not looking – and they make sure their thugs are in hand to protect them.

    • WeAreAllMadeOfStars
      March 1, 2013, 8:52 am

      Karma is not negative, in short it is the chain of cause and effect … and it does apply to any living creature.

      • MarkF
        March 1, 2013, 3:14 pm

        ” it does apply to any living creature.”

        Kristol & company aren’t living creatures…..

    • Sumud
      March 1, 2013, 9:43 am

      Sadly karma and justice don’t apply to neocons.

      Take a longer view – it ain’t over yet!!!

      • American
        March 1, 2013, 4:07 pm

        Sumud says:
        March 1, 2013 at 9:43 am

        Take a longer view – it ain’t over yet!!!>>>>

        No it isn’t. Get yer walking boots.

        Here’s to Kristol and our pond scum US congress.


        These boots are made for walking, and that’s just what they’ll do
        one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.

        You keep lying, when you oughta be truthin’
        and you keep losin’ when you oughta not bet.
        You keep samin’ when you oughta be changin’.
        Now what’s right is right, but you ain’t been right yet.

        These boots are made for walking, and that’s just what they’ll do
        one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you

        Are you ready boots? Start walkin’

  10. DICKERSON3870
    February 28, 2013, 3:59 pm

    ● RE: “ECI [Emergency Committee for Israel] solicited comments on the post, and soon published three critical ones, shown in the screenshot below. . . The comments were soon scrubbed. ~ Weiss

    ● MY COMMENT: This example of critical comments being “scrubbed” is illustrative of yet another reason I fear that Revisionist Zionism and Likudnik Israel (specifically by virtue of their inordinate sway over the U.S.) might very well be an “existential threat” to the values of The Enlightenment [like “the right of free speech”] ! ! !
    “Down, down, down we [the U.S.] go into the deep, dark abyss; hand in hand with Israel.”

    OTHER EXAMPLES OF ISRAEL’S VALUES TRUMPING (OVERRIDING) THE VALUES OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT HERE IN THE U.S.
    “How We Became Israel”, By Andrew J. Bacevich, The American Conservative, 9/10/12
    LINK – link to theamericanconservative.com
    “America Adopts the Israel Paradigm”, by Philip Ghiraldi, Antiwar.com, 7/05/12
    LINK – link to original.antiwar.com
    “Report: Israeli model underlies militarization of U.S. police”, By Muriel Kane, Raw Story, 12/04/11
    LINK – link to rawstory.com
    From Occupation to “Occupy”: The Israelification of American Domestic Security, By Max Blumenthal, Al-akhbar, 12/02/11
    LINK – link to english.al-akhbar.com OR link to informationclearinghouse.info
    “The Trial of Israel’s Campus Critics”, by David Theo Goldberg & Saree Makdisi, Tikkun Magazine, September/October 2009
    LINK – link to tikkun.org
    “Brooklyn College’s academic freedom increasingly threatened over Israel event”, by Glenn Greenwald, guardian.co.uk, 2/02/13
    LINK – link to guardian.co.uk
    ‘Israelis are helping write US laws, fund US campaigns, craft US war policy’, by Philip Weiss, Mondoweiss, 6/30/12
    LINK – link to mondoweiss.net
    “David Yerushalmi, Islam-Hating White Supremacist Inspires Anti-Sharia Bills Sweeping Tea Party Nation”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 3/02/11
    LINK – link to richardsilverstein.com
    “Boston airport security program rife with racial profiling has Israeli links”, by Alex Kane, Mondoweiss, 8/14/12
    LINK – link to mondoweiss.net
    “Obama’s kill list policy compels US support for Israeli attacks on Gaza”, By Glenn Greenwald, guardian.co.uk, 11/15/12
    LINK – link to guardian.co.uk

    P.S. AND HERE’S ANOTHER THREAT TO THE VALUES OF “THE ENLIGHTENMENT” (THIS TIME IN AFRICA):
    “US Religious Right Propelling Homophobia in African Countries”
    , by Common Dreams, 7/24/12
    LINK – link to commondreams.org

  11. DICKERSON3870
    February 28, 2013, 4:24 pm

    RE: “When Chuck Hagel was confirmed as Secretary of Defense earlier this week, the Emergency Committee for Israel promptly posted a statement saying that the battle against Hagel had limited his freedom to hurt Israel in American policymaking . . .” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Kristol’s good buddy Elliott Abrams was a bit more blunt in taking credit for having made Hagel “a weaker secretary of defense”.

    SEE – “Elliott Abrams: ‘Hagel will be confirmed, but he will be a weaker secretary of defense'”, By Noam Sheizaf, +972 Magazine, 2/22/13

    [EXCERPTS] In an interview to the Israeli daily ‘Yedioth Ahronoth,’ the former neoconservative diplomat criticizes Hagel for his ‘I am an American senator’ remark.
    Israeli journalist Nahum Barnea has today a short interview with Elliott Abrams on the issue of Chuck Hagel’s nomination to secretary of defense, which various Israeli advocacy groups have opposed.
    Abrams opens by explaining why he believes Hagel is an anti-Semite . . .
    Abrams: “I don’t hate him (Hagel). I don’t know him in person. I have friends who say they have known him for years and never heard an anti-Semitic remark from him. I think that everyone who rules out an initiative by Jews to influence American policy is an anti-Semite. That’s my definition. “Hagel once said ‘I am not an Israeli senator, I am an American senator. My commitment is to the United States’. This wasn’t a gaffe.” […]
    Barnea: You know that eventually he will be confirmed. The Senate usually doesn’t interfere with the president’s appointments.
    Abrams: “Yes. I suppose he will be confirmed. But he will be a weaker secretary of defense. The fight against Hagel presents the Republican party as a very pro-Israeli party, which is a good thing. Second, it’s becoming clear to everyone that there is a strong pro-Israeli lobby that is relying mostly on Christians. This is not a Jewish lobby.”

    SOURCE – link to 972mag.com

    • DICKERSON3870
      February 28, 2013, 4:31 pm

      P.S. RE: “Yes. I suppose he [Hagel] will be confirmed. But he will be a weaker secretary of defense. ~ Elliott Abrams (from above)

      MY COMMENT: Ergo, Elliott Abrams apparently thinks that the U.S. having a weak Secretary of Defense is a good thing (at least, when it benefits Likudnik Israel), and he is proud of the role his smear campaign played in weakening our new Secretary of Defense.
      If Elliott Abrams isn’t an “Israel firster” (actually a Likud firster), then I’m a monkey’s uncle (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

  12. Reds
    February 28, 2013, 11:08 pm

    Sweet anyone notice that now you can like the piece on facebook?

    I guess allowing others to like it will hide the fact there now censoring post on the ECI.

  13. chris o
    February 28, 2013, 11:46 pm

    That comment from Ben Gayeh really made my day. When I read Kristol’s statement, I was just boiling mad. I just had to shake my head at the chutzpah. So to read this short and brutish broadside makes me feel good. I hope that doesn’t make me a bad person.

  14. iResistDe4iAm
    March 1, 2013, 2:20 am

    For the record, the BEFORE screenshot was taken on 28 Feb 2013 at 02:08 AM, and the AFTER screenshot about 10 hours later on 28 Feb 2013 at 12:02 PM (time zone: UTC+11 hours).

    For the equivalent New York time (UTC-5 hours), BEFORE screenshot was on 27 Feb 2013 at 10:08 AM, and AFTER screenshot on 27 Feb 2013 at 08:02 PM.

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