Ann Lewis, former Clinton adviser, dismisses concern about segregated buses in West Bank

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Here is an excellent piece of reporting on the AIPAC policy conference by Nathan Guttman at the Forward, saying that AIPAC is tacking left. His piece features Democrat Ann Lewis as a key player in the repositioning. Lewis is Barney Frank’s sister, a Democratic operative and former senior adviser to Hillary Clinton, and Guttman was a good reporter to ask Lewis about apartheid in the West Bank:

 

Israel’s recent decision to institute segregated bus lines in the occupied West Bank for Palestinian workers is likely to evoke discordant associations with the American South prior to the civil rights era.

Asked about such issues, Lewis responded: “On every value that I care about, Israel is on the right path. It doesn’t mean that Israel is perfect, but I don’t know of any perfect country, including mine.”

The bigger takeaway here is that the Israel lobby is reconstituting itself. Spurred by the Obama victory, the smashing of the Iran-war neoconservatives, and the Yair Lapid surge in Israel, the lobby here is repositioning itself to the center-left to accommodate the new mood on campus. That is the meaning of Elliott Abrams’s embrace of the Israeli center. It is the meaning of Jane Harman saying, “We desperately need a two-state solution.” It is the meaning of J Street’s Jeremy Ben-Ami’s sharing a sweaty microphone with StandWithUs.

I used to argue when people said that J Street was AIPAC-lite. Well they were right and I was wrong; and soon the lobby will be reconstituted as a two-state J Street-AIPAC lobby. More of Guttman’s report:

In seeking to appeal to liberal Democrats prone in recent years to critical views of Israeli policies, the activists are depicting Israel as a progressive promised land where values that liberals can only dream of in the United States are already a reality. The AIPAC advocates cite specific issues, ranging from health care to gay rights to inclusion of minorities.

“We need to speak out more as progressives, not to let the other side own the issue of Israel,” said Ann Lewis, who served as a communications director for President Clinton.

At AIPAC’s Washington conference, which took place from March 2 to March 4, Lewis was among those challenging the notion that progressive Democrats are out of place in the pro-Israel camp — and not only at the conference. For the past three years, Lewis has led missions to Israel on behalf of AIPAC’s sister group, the American Israel Education Fund, in which she has tried to move liberal women closer to the pro-Israel camp.

Among Lewis’s guests on these trips have been Democratic political strategist Donna Brazile; Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards, who noted Israel’s advance on women’s health issues, and Heidi Heitkamp, a newly elected senator from North Dakota.

Note that Cecile Richards was an honoree of The Nation Institute a couple years ago and is on Chris Matthews all the time. This is the Democratic lobby! And Barney Frank used to say that while he opposed the settlements he couldn’t do so publicly without 5000 Jews in his district supporting him. Maybe he was afraid of his sister (who once said, “The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel. It is not up to us to pick and choose from among the political parties.”).

These folks are hearing footsteps from the progressive left solidarity camp, though:

“It is a small problem that could get bigger,” said Democratic political adviser and pollster Mark Mellman, who has advised Jewish and pro-Israel organizations. He noted that polling results show that progressive Democrats holding negative views of Israel do not make up a significant portion of the party, “but you need to address problems when they are small.”

When you ask a liberal Zionist to choose between liberalism and Zionism, many will choose… Zionism. (But psst: many others will choose… liberalism!)
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  1. Woody Tanaka
    March 11, 2013, 10:44 am

    And Barney Frank used to say that while he opposed the settlements he couldn’t do so publicly without 5000 Jews in his district supporting him. Maybe he was afraid of his sister (who once said, “The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel. It is not up to us to pick and choose from among the political parties.”).

    This is the kind of fifth-column horsecrap that really gets my goat. No, the role of the President of the United States is to promote the interest of the US and to promote American ideals around the world, not to be meat puppets to a bunch of zionist racists who have a bit of money.

    • Krauss
      March 11, 2013, 3:40 pm

      Yeah and nobody will go after her and people like her for it. Why?
      Because your career will be smeared by a bunch of bigots.

      I’ve given up hope at changing or even trying to change the Israel Firsters. The goal must be to make the social price for speaking their filth that they hesitate to do so.

      By the way, great piece: link to opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com

  2. goldmarx
    March 11, 2013, 11:10 am

    Well, that depends how you define Zionism. Perhaps if the question were a choice between liberalism and Zio-supremacism, the results would be even more meaningful.

    • Cliff
      March 11, 2013, 3:18 pm

      who cares how you define Zionism

      there are virtually no Buber Zionists

      you have scam-artist Liberal Zionists who are as worthless as the settler Zionists

      there may be complexity but its trumped by the facts on the ground

      who gives a **** about delineating. this is a colonial conflict. it’s not rocket science.

      Jewish immigrants stole Palestine in a war that they instigated by the mass ethnic cleansing campaign (began before the Arabs entered the war; fought mostly inside the Arab partition; with disproportionate numbers and force against the Arabs)

      the Palestinians had virtually no representation (no, the Mufti was not elected and was not a representative of the Palestinian people; he was a ‘useful idiot’ according to Ben-Gurion in his diaries)

      Zionism is a ****ing lie. Lie after lie after lie.

      The only people who support it are Christian eschatologists. Zionist Jews. And in the periphery – the uninformed who dont think about the conflict hence giving tacit support to Israel by their apathy/ignorance , the Islamophobic (people who see the conflict through religious lens only and lump Palestinians with Palestinian militants and Palestinian militants with Al Qaeda and genital mutilation and blah blah) , radical American nationalists.

      You of course have Zionists who support all other anti-apartheid, anti-colonial conflicts (to some degree, from lip service to full-fledged) but begin to stutter and spit when Israel comes up.

      MW has been through a ton of Zionist commentators and none of them have ever been able to debate this issue without being racist, Jewish supremacist, hypocritical, religiously fundamentalist, issuing diversions (Egypt, Syria, Darfur), etc. etc.

      Those are the symptoms of Zionism.

      It’s just that ‘most Americans’ don’t give a **** about stuff outside America unless its on TV.

      Empathy is hard work and often you learn it after suffering or through a good upbringing.

      Thinking without being hindered by a cult-mentality (which is what Zionism is and extremist Judaism) is a plus too.

  3. giladg
    March 11, 2013, 11:18 am

    Typical on how you got the original story wrong and how you distort the facts.

    It is because of the policy of non-segregated buses that actually caused the problem in the first place.
    Palestinians stared heavy use of a particular bus line that was also being used by residents of Ariel. Because they totally outnumbered the residents of Ariel using the same bus, the residents of Ariel suddenly found themselves not being able to get home as the buses filled up very quickly with Palestinian passengers. The mayor of Ariel needed to come up with a solution on how to get his residents home. Now if you were mayor, what would you do? And please don’t tell us to press the magic button for more buses to appear.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 11, 2013, 12:45 pm

      Now if you were mayor, what would you do? And please don’t tell us to press the magic button for more buses to appear.

      huh, they added another bus! how else would they have one for palestinians and one for jews? the obvious solution would be to what everybody else does all over the world, and it sure isn’t segregated buses.

      • eljay
        March 11, 2013, 1:28 pm

        >> The mayor of Ariel needed to come up with a solution on how to get his residents home. Now if you were mayor, what would you do? And please don’t tell us to press the magic button for more buses to appear.

        Aside from the obvious problem that Ariel is a colonial outpost of the surpremacist “Jewish State” and is located deep within occupied Palestine, when you have a bus line on which an increase in ridership results in congestion, the solution is to add more buses, not to press a magic button that creates a segregated bus line.

      • Kathleen
        March 11, 2013, 4:03 pm

        “Aside from the obvious problem that Ariel is a colonial outpost of the surpremacist “Jewish State” and is located deep within occupied Palestine, when you have a bus line on which an increase in ridership results in congestion, the solution is to add more buses, not to press a magic button that creates a segregated bus line.”

        Hey you stop being so factual and rational.

      • hophmi
        March 11, 2013, 2:01 pm

        “huh, they added another bus! how else would they have one for palestinians and one for jews? the obvious solution would be to what everybody else does all over the world, and it sure isn’t segregated buses.”

        The more I look at this story, the more I think you guys are distorting it. There simply is no policy of bus segregation here. It seems no different than adding buslines to a neighborhood in the United States that is heavily African-American to provide better service. There is no rule that settlers cannot ride the lines frequented by Palestinians and no rule that Palestinians cannot ride the lines frequented by settlers.

        “the obvious solution would be to what everybody else does all over the world, and it sure isn’t segregated buses.”

        No. In urban areas of the United States (like Oakland, around where you live, Annie) they long ago largely segregated minority populations through redlining. Same goes for mass transit, which becomes virtually segregated once the lines reach the projects. There is no law on the books segregating Oakland or St. Louis or Philadelphia or Washington DC or even New York City. But the African-Americans are mostly in the bad neighborhoods, right? It isn’t by accident, is it? It’s institutional racism. That we do very little to deal with in this country. When will you boycott us? Your tax dollars support it.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 12, 2013, 4:24 am

        the African-Americans are mostly in the bad neighborhoods, right?

        in oakland? not that i know of. have you ever been to downtown oakland?

      • tree
        March 12, 2013, 6:35 am

        The more I look at this story, the more I think you guys are distorting it. There simply is no policy of bus segregation here.

        Really? Did you just manage to miss this article or did you simply ignore it?

        At five o’clock sharp the action begins: a policeman, First Sergeant Shai Zecharia, portentiously boards Bus 286, which is stopped at the station. Soldiers order all the Palestinians to get off. Right away they collect their ID cards upon their exit from the bus. That way they can’t go anywhere until they get permission. Nearly thirty workers, ages 30-50, obediently file out. The soldier/officer roars: “Udrub!” (Move!) And then: “Sit on your butts! On your butts!” They are then marched to the terminal fence and made to stand along it in a line, then to sit on the cold ground and wait. The soldiers check the green IDs (Arabic: hawwiye) and demand to see their “tasrih” (work permits). A lucky few get their IDs back and board another bus – complaining only about having to pay twice for the same trip. But our forces immediately block this channel: one by one the workers are told to leave the terminal and walk to the Azoun-Atme checkpoint, 2.5 kilometres from the Shomron Gate junction. By now it’s cold; the sun has set. Most of them got up at three in the morning for the trip to work. Their homes are only a few kilometres from nearby Ariel. All they ask is to be allowed to ride the bus for another two or three stops. They paid for the trip. And by the way, a “tasrih” costs 8,000 shekels. You have to work hard to cover that sum before you earn your first shekel.

        The soldiers nabbed four workers who had dared to work without a “tasrih”. The short one venomously says, “They can spend some time in the Yoav fortress.” Then the next consignment arrives, about another 25 workers. The armed and heroic little guy is soon shoving them with both hands. The procedure is repeated: “Udrub”, on your butts, hawiyye, tasrih. Now move it to Azoun-Atme. Within half an hour about eighty men have been subjected to this humiliation by a few armed soldiers and one policeman. They all responded with restraint and dismay, at most asking the obvious questions and now and then getting enlightening replies, such as:

        “You’re not allowed to be on Highway 5.” At long last: official confirmation that there are apartheid highways in Israel, despite all the denials.

        “You’re not allowed to use public transportation at all.”

        more at link:

        link to mondoweiss.net

        And you have the nerve to imply that this is somehow like “adding buslines to a neighborhood in the United States that is heavily African-American to provide better service.” Utterly shameful of you.

      • giladg
        March 11, 2013, 7:52 pm

        One extra bus on the original line still would not have solved the problem. And Israel does not have extra busses standing idle waiting for peak hour usage.

      • Bumblebye
        March 11, 2013, 8:36 pm

        Of course it does, dummy! That’s how it set up the racially segregated buses.

      • eljay
        March 12, 2013, 8:31 am

        >> One extra bus on the original line still would not have solved the problem.

        How many buses were put into service on the new bus line? That’s how many buses would have solved the problem on the existing line.

        Anyway, the real problem is the existence of the colonial outpost of Ariel in Palestine, and the real solution to that problem is to remove the colonial outpost of Ariel from Palestine.

        This would greatly reduce congestion on the existing bus line and eliminate the need for additional buses or a new bus line.

    • Bumblebye
      March 11, 2013, 1:08 pm

      giladg
      “And please don’t tell us to press the magic button for more buses to appear.”

      Dope. That’s exactly what happened, innit?! Except instead of simply putting on more buses, the bigoted, racist muppets decided to create a segregated system.

    • ritzl
      March 11, 2013, 1:26 pm

      It’s unbelievable that you describe the simple problem (bus overcrowding) and describe (and discount) the simple solution (add another coach to the route as every other transit company on the planet would do) and then somehow twist that into some unique and metaphysical need for segregated buses.

      I hope that you keep posting here and that more and more normal people read and see the mindset that defends Israel.

    • justicewillprevail
      March 11, 2013, 3:10 pm

      So segregation is the answer to the success of the non-segregated bus policy? How logical. Your whole answer underlines the segregationist, separatist apartheid culture which you find so normal that you are weeping for the poor mayor of Ariel and his Israeli buses, which you clearly think are not meant for those undesirable lower class Palestinians. So it’s not public transport, its settler transport. I see. No distortion there, then, just the facts of privilege and power.

  4. American
    March 11, 2013, 11:38 am

    You are a incurable optimist Phil.
    AIPAC won’t move left imo.
    AIPAC is dedicated to the zionist/Israel ‘ideology'; Jewish State, Jewish supremacy, Jewish majority-rule, Jewish Exceptionalism in world law and norms, …take away the ‘practices’ of this in Israel and you literally have no Israel as a ‘Jewish State’ left.
    Dirtbags like Lewis are, as she said, trying to short circuit the growing left criticism of Israel to keep the Dem party on board.
    She’s not going to be able to “re-legitimize” Israel among the left that has a critical movement on it going I don’t think…….that train has left the station already.

    However in reality I don’t think it matters in influencing the Dem Party, unless those who choose ‘liberalism’ have the political money to throw at it. Public opinion won’t matter until it becomes ‘overwhelming’—probably as the result of some too much egregious thing Israel does.

    • marc b.
      March 11, 2013, 1:05 pm

      he’s incurable alright. not that he isn’t trying. i expect weiss to experience an existential crisis in the immediate future, either more completely breaking from his community, or the other way round. this state of affairs is just too much for him to bear, and i mean that sincerely and sympathetically.

      on the greater topic, this is perception management, but the primary motivator is not the movement of the american public to the left on the issue, it’s the blossoming of israel as settler state, which is actually happening more rapidly than the process of educating the public. (education is euphemistically linked with ‘leftism’, as if recognizing racism is a uniquely lefty phenomenon.) the pinkwashing, etc. is the antidote to increasing, unprovoked racist attacks (attacks motivated by ‘nationalism’ as the israeli press calls them. i haven’t read an explanation yet as to how an attack by an israeli citizen on another israeli can be ‘nationalistically’ motivated, but i’m sure someone smarter than i am can explain), increasing control over the military in the OT by settlers and on. expect the volume and shrillness of the PR campaign to rise as israel simultaneously devolves into . . . what exactly?

      • American
        March 11, 2013, 1:52 pm

        I can’t guess what Phils reaction to whatever kind of end to this eventually comes. If Israel prevails in it’s theft of Palestine and still exist, his sadness might be that this would now be the ‘new Jewish History’ or signature….the immoral victimizers instead of the victims. The alternative, that Israel is shrunk, dissolved or otherwise fades away I think would be less painful to those like him.

        What I am really tired of in these discussion is positioning the Irs issue and question as ‘left or right’…….it makes I/P-USA-Isr into too much of typical “political squabble’ and takes away from the core issue of Isr international criminality in occupying and stealing Palestine, and away from the issue of a Zionist fifth column controlling US policy.
        Those core Israel problems–zio control and US support for Isr’s International criminality should not “be framed” as a political right or left, they should be presented as a bipartisan “National” issue for the US.

        The more everything except the kitchen stove; right or left, slavery, other comparisons, are thrown into ”the problem” the more it obscures the real bottom line.

      • marc b.
        March 11, 2013, 2:28 pm

        What I am really tired of in these discussion is positioning the Irs issue and question as ‘left or right’

        me too. it’s way of delegitimizing the argument, a presumption that someone’s position is ‘radical’, and that the reasonable solution lies elsewhere in an undefined, amorphous center. you’ve lost the debate, or at least the field of debate, the instant it degenerates into labels, which disallow any nuance, and even discounts facts, as certain evidence is just too far outside the mainstream narrative to be permissible. for example, if you were to debate the legality of military tactics used by hamas and the IDF, the statement of fact that the IDF uses human shields as a formal tactic sends some people into convulsions, in my experience at least. only a ‘leftist’, or whatever, could come up with such an allegation, never mind that it is an incontrovertible fact, no more difficult to confirm than the US use of drones for anyone with access to the internet and 15 minutes of spare time.

      • Citizen
        March 11, 2013, 5:41 pm

        @ American
        So, the GOP has as many PEPS as the Democratic Party? I don’t think so. Problem, which a few have suggested above, is, the Democratic party is funded, what two-thirds by Jewish members? Versus the GOP, not nearly so much (nor with Jewish votes of course), but some really BIG donors like Adelson. Then again, there’s guys like Soros…

      • American
        March 12, 2013, 11:38 am

        @ Citizen

        It appears to me that the GOP and Dems, as parties, both have I -First policies and platforms. If Israel is positioned as a left vr right issue it poisons the real issue which is a ‘national and soverign’ issue of ‘foreign interest control’ of a segment of our national foreign policy and US interest.
        It tends to make it a “political difference” instead of the national ‘critical corruption’ that it is.
        Treating it as a” national threat” to US security and interest is going to get more of the public to see it that way, more of both repubs and dems to object to Isr-USA scheme.
        As it is now both parties are afraid to break from AIPAC and Israel because they think it would give the other party a donor advantage and cause they know I Firstdom operatives would go after their candidates in elections.
        No, we have to make it so that candidates from either party swearing loyalty to Israel are rejected by both dem and repub voters.
        It has to be a common negative for both parties.

      • Kathleen
        March 11, 2013, 4:07 pm

        “it’s the blossoming of israel as settler state, which is actually happening more rapidly than the process of educating the public. ”

        I’ve been thinking a great deal about this. While awareness about the facts on the ground continues to pick up speed on college campuses, internet etc illegal Israeli housing, bulldozing, expansion of illegal settlements moving faster than ever.

    • ToivoS
      March 11, 2013, 5:57 pm

      I think Phil is right to be optimistic. Of course people like Lewis will never change nor would I expect AIPAC to change either — the voter there is being counted one funeral at a time.

      However, where optimism is warranted is what is happening inside the Democratic Party among the rank and file. For most the topic of Israel is like the insane uncle in the attic that is rarely mentioned. On occasion we see glimpses of people’s feelings. Remember the Democratic Party Natl convention last summer. The big voice vote that was presided by Mayor Villairaos on some kind of support Israel motion. The Nos clearly had the majority. He called the vote three times and each repeat the Nos were louder. Finally after his handler whispered in his ear, he declared the Yess won.

      The party activists realize that Zionist money supports the big national campaigns and they remain quiet out of a sense of party unity. However, that money is not that important in the smaller races around the country where city, county and state officials are elected. I work at that level. Israel is not popular at that level. Today if a Democrat running in an Assembly primary in Northern California declared his love for Israel in broad public arena, his prospects would be hurt. (Of course, more private fundraising meetings are different).

      The point is the Lewis is aware of what is happening inside the Democratic Party and is trying to soften some of AIPACs rougher edges to stop the anti-Israeli slide. She has the classic task of putting lipstick on a pig and I think she will fail. The point of Phil’s story is not that Zionism is going to reform, but that there is real fear among some Zionists that they are losing the left.

  5. Krauss
    March 11, 2013, 12:25 pm

    Ann Lewis is an Israel Firster. It needs to be said.

    When you say:

    The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel. It is not up to us to pick and choose from among the political parties.

    You’re basically saying, the U.S. president must be a slave to Israel.
    Is there any other country Ms. Lewis would add to that list? I highly doubt it. If the German nation elected a right-wing nationalist government, it’s dubious at best if she would leap to Germany’s defence in the same way or any other Western democracy.

    Also, the quote that Phil raised was said in a discussion with Bill Kristol.

    Maybe I’m totally wrong on this one, but when you’re chummy with a far-right neocon, you’re not exactly representative of the progressive grassroots. To add to this; Ann Lewis is an old woman. She’s a Clinton-era Democrat. A lot has changed since then. There’s a much stronger shift on economic issues to the left and we’re seeing a shift on foreign policy too.

    The last few days of combined right/left outrage on drones is a case in point. The old establishment in both the GOP and the Democratic party are having trouble finding their feet. This is the milieu that Ann Lewis comes from and was shaped in.

    She’s the past. And in fact, Israel is not very progressive. Canada for one is more progressive on almost any issue. Same is true with Britain or Australia and so on.

    And neither of those countries practice apartheid. That’s a thing Ann Lewis isn’t concerned about. Israel Firster.

    • Kathleen
      March 11, 2013, 12:51 pm

      “You’re basically saying, the U.S. president must be a slave to Israel” Or just saying that has been the case for decades. The Hagel nomination and the fact that he made it has thrown a wrench into those normally greased up gears. Only time will tell if anything has changed

  6. Kathleen
    March 11, 2013, 12:48 pm

    Not sure how Aipac attendees lobbying for the large aid package to Israel not being cut like all other US government programs and lobbying for the Graham/Menendez resolution bringing the US even closer to an attack on Iran is “tacking left” Except that the middle is now the right of the right. So “tacking left” of the right of the right sounds like a Rumsfeld quote or a quote from Ann Lewis’s world views. Where apartheid is not apartheid it is protection for all according to apartheid supporters. Aye yi yi

  7. Annie Robbins
    March 11, 2013, 1:30 pm

    J Street’s Jeremy Ben-Ami’s sharing a sweaty microphone with StandWithUs.

    i love your phrasing phil, perfect!

    • Citizen
      March 11, 2013, 5:44 pm

      @ Annie
      Yeah, that was a good hit by Phil–perfect poetry; could not be more succinct.

  8. justicewillprevail
    March 11, 2013, 1:43 pm

    Lewis’ response made me laugh. Such a blithe reply – ‘no country is perfect’, as if it were just some minor little aberration. Ann Lewis – your answer is callous, indifferent and stupid, not to mention a straight diversion. No-one is asking for perfection, or even close to it. However when a country institutionalises racism and prejudice, sidestepping the issue by saying ‘no country is perfect’ is really pathetic – it is acquiescing to that decision and endorsing it. If racism and segregation is outlawed in your own country, please tell us how you support it in others. Making demands for equal rights and an end to apartheid is NOT asking for perfection, only an idiot would claim such a thing – all it is asking for is the bare minimum of acceptable governance, and parity with other states. You are a disgrace to your so-called office.

    • Woody Tanaka
      March 11, 2013, 2:32 pm

      “Lewis’ response made me laugh. Such a blithe reply – ‘no country is perfect’, as if it were just some minor little aberration.”

      The “no country is perfect” nonsense (“flawed” is the other one they use) is nothing but a confession by the speaker that they know that they are defending the indefensible because of familial, religious, cultural or political reasons and that if the situation were reversed and the Palestinians were occupying and oppressing the Jews that they’d be on the other side of the issue. They are doing nothing but admitting their guilt, the guilt of the zionists, but excusing it all. To such people Palestinians aren’t people, but a problem. And the solution of supporting israel as it comes up with a solution to the Palestinian problem, is political, ethnically or culturally convenient. To anyone with a brain, it demonstrates nothing other than that the speaker is an immoral, unprincipled dog.

  9. RJL
    March 11, 2013, 2:21 pm

    Phil, why don’t you preach to the Palestinians, about a movement that will come up with a normal, non-jihad, non-denial of Jewish historical connections to the Holy Land/Israel (which includes Judea and Samaria) approach, but clearly states the Pals. need a country of their own. The longer Pals. let their idiotic, unelected “leadership” do nothing to negotiate and compromise, and continue making false promises of the right of return to houses Israelis built after 1948, the longer the natural growth of settlements will push to expand, within and possibly without those towns destined to remain within a negotiated Israeli border. There are other paths to dignity and peoplehood that need to bypass a stagnant and corrupt PA; Palestinians need to develop a peace now movement of their own. That’s where Mondoweiss could fill a need, instead of just bashing Israel. 242 requires a negotiated, comprehensive solution, not spin.

    • Cliff
      March 11, 2013, 3:09 pm

      lets summarize RJL’s views:

      ‘Pals’ idiotic unelected ‘leadership’ doesnt want to negotiate/comprimise

      Pals have no RoR

      Pals are jihadi, abnormal, deny Jewish right to ‘the Holy Land’ including the occupied Pal territory

      The longer the Pals dont ‘comprimise’ the more settlements grow, hence its the Pals fault for the settlements growing

      The PA is corrupt

      Pals need to build a peace movement that agrees with RJL’s view of history and ‘Jewish sovereignty’

      then there shall be peace

      thanks for playing RJL!

      • K Renner
        March 11, 2013, 3:54 pm

        “YAP YAP YAP THE PALESTINIANS ARE EVIL AND DUMB YAP YAP YAP ISRAEL IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD AND NEVER WRONG YAP YAP YAP I LIED ABOUT PALESTINIANS BEING FANS OF AL QUEDA YAP YAP YAP YAP I AM AN INCORRIGABLE SOCIOPATH YAP YAP YAP WHY DON’T THE PALESTINIANS LICK OUR BOOTS YAP YAP YAP WHY DON’T THE PALESTINIANS ACCEPT THE RACIST SETTLER IDIOTS YAP YAP YAP THE PALESTINIANS ARE ANTI SEMITIC FOR BEING ALIVE YAP YAP YAP”.

        Basically friendo’s points, more or like, huh.

    • Woody Tanaka
      March 11, 2013, 3:59 pm

      “Pals”??? RJL, you’re a bigot. Get lost.

    • Kathleen
      March 11, 2013, 4:14 pm

      242 is explicit “not spin” which is what your slippery interpretation is

      UN242
      link to unispal.un.org

      (i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

      (ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

    • Avi_G.
      March 12, 2013, 1:58 am

      I don’t know why Zionist commenters are allowed to refer to Palestinians as “Pals”.

      Would it be alright then if someone referred to Jews as “kikes”?

      Why does Mondoweiss allow such filth?

  10. mmayer
    March 11, 2013, 5:07 pm

    “It doesn’t mean that Israel is perfect, but I don’t know of any perfect country, including mine.”

    My response to Ann Lewis is as follows:

    Dear Ann, supporter of segregation:

    The one thing you definitely are right about, is that Israel isn’t perfect. In fact, it is far from perfect and this latest implementation of the racist model again just reinforces its “imperfections”. We can add it along to the long list of “imperfections” Israel is mastering such as humiliation at the checkpoints, shooting non violent protesters with live and rubber bullets, throwing tear gas the face of human beings, arbitrarily arresting people…the list goes on. People like you, Ann, only allows Israel to act with complete impunity and your silence on this matter makes you just as guilty as them.

  11. lysias
    March 11, 2013, 6:46 pm

    The AIPAC advocates cite specific issues, ranging from health care to gay rights to inclusion of minorities.

    Inclusion of minorities?!?! What the hell?!?!

  12. RJL
    March 11, 2013, 8:30 pm

    Cliff hanger-don’t jump yet, at least until you learn to spell compromise correctly. A Palestinian peace movt. is needed to push their leadership vacuum-sorry, terrorism isn’t part of resolution 242-out of their stupor and into real negotiations. Yes, negotiations that recognize each side isn’t leaving, they have a tiny country and shared environmental issues to face together, the Pals. need jobs in and trading with Israel (and the latter needs their manpower). Couldn’t tell you what both sides of a peace movt. would discuss, but it would be far more likely to produce real results. Pals want Palestinian/arab/moslem sovereignty, and so far their attitude is no Jews allowed in Palestine. If that doesn’t smack of overt racism (no apartheid, as there wouldn’t be any Jews there), what does? I’m so glad I got your intestinal juices flowing.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 11, 2013, 8:44 pm

      so far their attitude is no Jews allowed in Palestine.

      that’s not true.

      • just
        March 11, 2013, 11:40 pm

        RJL–

        Israel does not want peace with the indigenous Palestinians.

        The Palestinians have NOBODY to negotiate with, and don’t bother to bring up the “settlement freeze”. All they have done is to constantly “compromise” (leave, die, never complain). I absolutely reject the hasbara lies that are spread so thickly all of the time, all over the internet and by complicit and complacent Congresscritters, the other mouthpieces of the President’s administrations, the Evangelicals, and the cowering MSM.

        Israel, as it exists now, wants the Palestinians gone– by any nefarious and cruel and illegal means necessary. The much- deserved and delayed justice and peace for the Palestinians runs through the UN and the ICC. The US needs to join with the majority of the world and end the veto that shields Israel and engenders contempt for us in the rest of the world.

        We are not an “honest broker” at all.

        End the Occupation, End Israeli Apartheid, End the Illegal Settlements, Stop Obstructing the Palestinian Efforts in the UN, Stop Killing/Torturing Palestinians, Stop the Theft of Land and Resources, and Start Being Honest @ long last. It’s past time for Israel to admit their crimes, and be the ones to “negotiate” and “compromise.”

    • Avi_G.
      March 12, 2013, 1:55 am

      I don’t know why Zionist commenters are allowed to refer to Palestinians as “Pals”.

      Would it be alright then if someone referred to Jews as “kikes”?

      Why does Mondoweiss allow such filth?

      • chinese box
        March 12, 2013, 7:38 am

        “I don’t know why Zionist commenters are allowed to refer to Palestinians as “Pals”.”

        I agree, although allowing it through does have the benefit of exposing the bigots for what they are.

    • Shingo
      March 12, 2013, 8:13 am

      A Palestinian peace movt. is needed to push their leadership vacuum-sorry, terrorism isn’t part of resolution 242-out of their stupor and into real negotiations.

      Sorry, occupation,. mass murder, ethnic cleansing and land theft is not part of 242 either. And for “negotiations”, they are kind pointless when Israel signs agreements and then tears them up a la The Road Map.

      Yes, negotiations that recognize each side isn’t leaving..

      Actually 242 requires the Israelis to leave Palestinian territory dufus.

      Pals want Palestinian/arab/moslem sovereignty, and so far their attitude is no Jews allowed in Palestine.

      Cut the BS. Abbas and co have said Jews would be allowed so long as they agreed to become citizens of the Palestinian state.

      But thanks for admitting that Israeli polices are indeed overtly racist.

  13. Inanna
    March 12, 2013, 12:17 am

    AIPAC isn’t tacking left. It’s opening up the umbrella to capture more of the tribe within the umbrella and paying lip-service to the pieties that have kept the peace process going strong without end for 2 decades – two-states, security, peace blah blah blah but they’ll just keep doing what they’re doing now. Kinda like Israel really.

  14. mcohen
    March 12, 2013, 5:41 am

    hey what about that egyptian chickie that was posting all that anti american filth on twitter and got the award -the go home do not come back award.

    virginity tests -what sought of society pulls that kind of stunt on women

    eradicate and educate

    • Shingo
      March 12, 2013, 8:08 am

      virginity tests -what sought of society pulls that kind of stunt on women

      What about forcing Yemeni women to receive contraceptive injections? What sought of society pulls that kind of stunt on women?

    • gamal
      March 12, 2013, 10:17 am

      “virginity tests -what sought of society pulls that kind of stunt on women” one ripe for colonization or at the very least some hegemonic domination, how fortunate for some, these people are not ready for full humanity, but what do we do with them in the meantime?

  15. Kathleen
    March 12, 2013, 8:50 am

    Lewis “On every value that I care about, Israel is on the right path. It doesn’t mean that Israel is perfect, but I don’t know of any perfect country, including mine.”

    Anne’s values
    link to youtube.com
    link to mondoweiss.net

  16. mcohen
    March 13, 2013, 5:06 pm

    segerated buses reminds me of america-not the rosa parks bus story but the other more interesting one

    link to en.wikipedia.org

    “”Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters are noted for the sociological significance of a lengthy road trip they took in the summer of 1964″”

    can you imagine this same bus taking the trip in 2014 ,50 years later through saudi arabia ,iran,iraq,lebanon,israel,egypt and libya

    the peace bus

    people will line the roads with flags and wave,women will wear brightly coloured head scarves and the men will shake there beards

    take the trip

    see the future in your past

    wahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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