‘My surprise was even greater–‘ Israeli emboff pens Dickensian letter to Lancet justifying harsh treatment of children throwing stones

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Oh, what bureaucratic officious and oleaginous prose is marshaled in the cause of child imprisonment: the press attache for the Embassy of Israel in London delegitimization by writing to The Lancet to protest an editorial that calls for certain basic protections for Palestinian minors imprisoned and often tortured for the alleged crime of throwing stones. Or a “boulder,” as Amir Ofek puts it at one point. The Lancet:

I was surprised to read the Editorial on Palestinian minors in Israeli prisons (March 16, p 876), in which there was no room given for any comment from the Israeli side. As a result, it turned out to be completely one-sided and unbalanced. Checking the facts with the Israeli authorities might have clarified that the UNICEF report in question is already being reviewed in Israel, and many changes had been put in place even before its release.
My surprise was even greater at seeing that hurling rocks was dismissed as a minor offence in the Editorial—in this sense the timing is exceedingly cruel, seeing that at present 2-year-old Adele Bitton is fighting for her life in intensive care after rocks were hurled at the car in which she was travelling by five Palestinian minors. The reality is that a boulder, even when thrown by a young teenager, is a potentially deadly weapon.
As a result of fighting Palestinian terror for decades, Israel has developed methods and facilities designed with adult perpetrators in mind. However, an atrocious new reality has arisen whereby Palestinian minors are frequently used to carry out attacks. For example, in January, 2012, Hamas assembled a team of three assassins whose mission was to slaughter a Jewish family in their home, while asleep. The mission was foiled by Israel’s intelligence system, and the perpetrators were detained for questioning. But Israel’s skills were not ready to cope with one important element—the accused were children, aged between 12 and 14 years.
Israel has pledged to take all necessary measures to adjust its counter-terror practices accordingly. UNICEF has welcomed improvements made over the years, both in detention and in legal proceedings…. 
Establishing juvenile tribunals with special safeguards for minors is just part of an evolving system. But it cannot happen overnight. The recent surge in the involvement of Palestinian minors in acts of terror is a result of continuing incitement in their schoolbooks and television programmes. Instead of looking up to superheroes or sports stars, they are encouraged to revere “martyrs” in explosive jackets.
Israel works hard at fulfilling its commitments to improve the conditions of Palestinian minors caught carrying out terror attacks, and understands the importance of establishing better protocols for dealing with them. But the best method of improving these children’s lives would be to stop carrying out attacks on others. For that to happen, Palestinians must stop feeding their own children a relentless diet of hate and violence. Palestinian children are being denied their childhood, while attempting to deny Israel’s children their safety, security, and all too often their lives.

Here’s a past gem from Ofek.

62 Responses

  1. Blownaway
    March 30, 2013, 2:46 pm

    Maybe he should go to Hebron and see what settler children do to Palestinians…under the protection of the military..Adjusting to terrorists indeed..

  2. DICKERSON3870
    March 30, 2013, 3:44 pm

    RE: “Israeli emboff pens Dickensian letter to Lancet justifying harsh treatment of children throwing stones” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Israel’s penchant for making a mockery of international standards of human rights (e.g. supporting the cause of due-process-free child imprisonment) is yet another reason I fear that Revisionist Zionism and Likudnik Israel (specifically by virtue of their inordinate sway over the U.S.) might very well be an “existential threat” to the values of The Enlightenment! ! !
    “Down, down, down we [the U.S.] go into the deep, dark abyss; hand in hand with Israel.”

    OTHER EXAMPLES OF ISRAEL’S VALUES TRUMPING (OVERRIDING) THE VALUES OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT HERE IN THE U.S.
    “How We Became Israel”, By Andrew J. Bacevich, The American Conservative, 9/10/12
    LINK – link to theamericanconservative.com
    “America Adopts the Israel Paradigm”, by Philip Ghiraldi, Antiwar.com, 7/05/12
    LINK – link to original.antiwar.com
    “Report: Israeli model underlies militarization of U.S. police”, By Muriel Kane, Raw Story, 12/04/11
    LINK – link to rawstory.com
    From Occupation to “Occupy”: The Israelification of American Domestic Security, By Max Blumenthal, Al-akhbar, 12/02/11
    LINK – link to english.al-akhbar.com OR link to informationclearinghouse.info
    “The Second Battle of Gaza: Israel’s Undermining Of International Law”, by Jeff Halper, mrzine.monthlyreview.org, 02/26/10
    LINK – link to mrzine.monthlyreview.org
    “The Trial of Israel’s Campus Critics”, by David Theo Goldberg & Saree Makdisi, Tikkun Magazine, September/October 2009
    LINK – link to tikkun.org
    “Brooklyn College’s academic freedom increasingly threatened over Israel event”, by Glenn Greenwald, guardian.co.uk, 2/02/13
    LINK – link to guardian.co.uk
    “Peter ‘Powder Keg’ Beinart is disinvited from gig at Atlanta Jewish book festival”, by Annie Robbins, Mondoweiss, 11/05/12
    LINK – link to mondoweiss.net
    ‘Israelis are helping write US laws, fund US campaigns, craft US war policy’, by Philip Weiss, Mondoweiss, 6/30/12
    LINK – link to mondoweiss.net
    “David Yerushalmi, Islam-Hating White Supremacist Inspires Anti-Sharia Bills Sweeping Tea Party Nation”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 3/02/11
    LINK – link to richardsilverstein.com
    “Boston airport security program rife with racial profiling has Israeli links”, by Alex Kane, Mondoweiss, 8/14/12
    LINK – link to mondoweiss.net
    “Obama’s kill list policy compels US support for Israeli attacks on Gaza”, By Glenn Greenwald, guardian.co.uk, 11/15/12
    LINK – link to guardian.co.uk

    P.S. AND HERE’S ANOTHER THREAT TO THE VALUES OF “THE ENLIGHTENMENT” (THIS TIME IN AFRICA):
    “US Religious Right Propelling Homophobia in African Countries”
    , by Common Dreams, 7/24/12
    LINK – link to commondreams.org

  3. talknic
    March 30, 2013, 3:47 pm

    ” 2-year-old Adele Bitton is fighting for her life in intensive care after rocks were hurled at the car in which she was travelling by five Palestinian minors”

    The rocks were hurled at a truck. Adele Bitton’s mother, illegally in “territories occupied”, collided with a suddenly stopped truck. Why the truck stopped suddenly, is irrelevant to traveling too close for safety or inattentive drivers smashing into it.

    That Israel encourages its citizens to be in “territories occupied” where they might well become collateral and then uses Adele’s misfortune to vilify the Palestinians, shows only how low the Jewish State has sunk

    • MK_Ultra
      March 31, 2013, 1:11 pm

      Traffic accidents are the #1 killer in ISreal yet, you don’t see/hear them arresting drivers or declaring war on traffic – unless, of course, the drivers happen to be Palestinian. Hypocrisy is the backbone of that regime and its society.

  4. DICKERSON3870
    March 30, 2013, 3:53 pm

    RE: “Palestinians must stop feeding their own children a relentless diet of hate . . .” ~ Amir Ofek, Israeli emboff

    MY COMMENT: This appears to be yet another instance of ‘psychological projection’ on the part of the Israelis!

    SEE: “Academic claims Israeli school textbooks contain bias” ~ By Harriet Sherwood, guardian.co.uk, 8/07/11
    Nurit Peled-Elhanan of Hebrew University says textbooks depict Palestinians as “terrorists, refugees and primitive farmers”

    [EXCERPT] Nurit Peled-Elhanan, an Israeli academic, mother and political radical, summons up an image of rows of Jewish schoolchildren, bent over their books, learning about their neighbours, the Palestinians. But, she says, they are never referred to as Palestinians unless the context is terrorism.
    They are called Arabs. “The Arab with a camel, in an Ali Baba dress. They describe them as vile and deviant and criminal, people who don’t pay taxes, people who live off the state, people who don’t want to develop,” she says. “The only representation is as refugees, primitive farmers and terrorists. You never see a Palestinian child or doctor or teacher or engineer or modern farmer.”
    Peled-Elhanan, a professor of language and education at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, has studied the content of Israeli school books for the past five years, and her account, “Palestine in Israeli School Books: Ideology and Propaganda in Education”, is to be published in the UK this month. She describes what she found as racism– but, more than that, a racism that prepares young Israelis for their compulsory military service. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to guardian.co.uk

    VIDEO of interview with Peled-Elhanan (08:48) – link to youtube.com

    P.S. ALSO SEE: Is Change possible in Israel? (VIDEO, 07:49) – link to youtube.com
    Prof. Haim Bresheeth tries to answer this question – why can some Israelis change, and support the Palestinian cause, but change seems elusive in Israel? Should we wait and hope for such change?

    • DICKERSON3870
      March 31, 2013, 2:47 am

      P.P.S. ALSO RE: “Palestinians must stop feeding their own children a relentless diet of hate . . .” ~ Amir Ofek, Israeli emboff

      MY COMMENT: This appears to be yet another instance of ‘psychological projection’ on the part of the Israelis!

      SEE: “Israeli director Yariv Horowitz must retract false claim of anti-Semitic attack says Aubagne film festival”, by Ali Abunimah, Electronic Intifada, 03/30/2013

      The Aubagne International Film Festival has called on Israeli filmmaker Yariv Horowitz to retract his claims, widely reported in Israeli media, that he was the victim of a vicious anti-Semitic beating by “Arab youths” that left him unconscious while he was present at the festival earlier this month.
      In a statement sent to The Electronic Intifada by the festival’s press office, the festival’s general manager Gaëlle Rodeville said she witnessed the minor incident and that it had nothing to do with racism or anti-Semitism. Rodeville’s statement also affirmed that, contrary to Horowitz’s repeated assertions, the youth involved was not Arab.
      Rodeville called on Horowitz “to retract the statements he made in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz and to exercise restraint in making allegations whose only effect is to reinforce communalism.”
      She also said that the film festival’s version of events was supported by witnesses and video footage. . .

      ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to electronicintifada.net

    • DICKERSON3870
      March 31, 2013, 10:34 pm

      P.P.P.S. ALSO RE: “Palestinians must stop feeding their own children a relentless diet of hate and violence.” ~ Amir Ofek, Israeli emboff

      MY REITERATION: This appears to be yet another instance of ‘psychological projection’ on the part of the Israelis!

      SEE – “Castrate them!” “Burn them!” “Bullet in the head!”: Facebook Israelis react to photo of Palestinian kids, by Ali Abunimah, Electronic Intifada, 03/22/2013

      [EXCERPT] Having regularly documented the horrifying racism and violent fantasies frequently expressed by Israelis on Facebook or Instagram, I thought I had seen everything.
      But this may be the worst yet. On Wednesday, the picture above of three Palestinian boys in a tent was posted on a popular Facebook page titled in Hebrew “We are all in favor of death to terrorists.” Under the picture is the following caption: “Arab boys in the illegal Arab outpost established near Maale Adumim. What should the Israeli army do to them?”
      This is an apparent reference to the peaceful “Bab al-Shams” encampment established by Palestinians near Jerusalem to protest Israel’s plans to seize more land for settlements. The protest was timed to coincide with the visit of US President Barack Obama.
      “Run the tent over with a truck/Merkava tank/a bus/ whatever it takes to crush and kill these children,” suggested Facebook user Lidor Swisa.
      As of Friday there were almost 200 comments under the post offering suggestions of what the Israeli army should do – the vast majority fantasizing extreme sadistic violence and murder.
      What makes this even more than usually disturbing is many of the Israeli commentators appear to be high school students themselves – perhaps only a year or two from mandatory army service when they will be empowered to carry out their fantasies.
      But others, such as Shlomo Levi, are clearly already army-age adults. His suggestion?
      Shlomo Levi thinks Palestinian children should be gassed to death.“I’d have thrown nerve gas into the tent and closed it and made them breath it until the end”
      . . . Ohad Halevy, another soldier in the Kfir Brigade, simply wrote “Slaughter them!” of the three children in the photo. . .

      ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to electronicintifada.net

      • Annie Robbins
        April 1, 2013, 12:04 am

        thanks dickerson. this was one of the most astounding stories. kudos to EI for breaking it wide open.

      • gamal
        April 1, 2013, 12:35 am

        what! do Israeli’s attend Palestinian schools? how could these statements be explained? perhaps entering in to personal relations with “Arabs” has in some way corrupted them, so its either no big deal or the fault of the “Arabs”, all of them through out history, and on in to the endless future.

  5. MK_Ultra
    March 30, 2013, 4:26 pm

    If one follows — and believes — Hasbara, stones are WMDs. They can stop tanks, they can bring down F-16s/35s, etc. and they can terrorize an entire army. In fact, the stones thrown by Palestinians at the settlers who want to kill them and steal their lands clearly bear the “Made in Iran” label which, of course, means that ISreal is justified in attacking Iran.

  6. JennieS
    March 30, 2013, 4:51 pm

    “Or a “boulder,” as Amir Ofek puts it at one point.”

    Yes, I was facinated by the “boulder” as well alyhough in my experience exaggerating the size and danger of Palestinian missiles (i.e stones) is a normal hasbara tactic. Wikipedia defines boulder as a rock no less than 256cm (10 inches) in diameter. Palestinian children must be generally endowed with the strength of Samson to be able to use such weapons.

  7. JennieS
    March 30, 2013, 5:13 pm

    For those who can penetrate the H’aretz paywall Gideon Levy has a great article about the arrest of Palestinian school children in Hebron.
    link to haaretz.com

    • DICKERSON3870
      March 31, 2013, 3:00 am

      RE: “Gideon Levy has a great article about the arrest of Palestinian school children in Hebron.” ~ JennieS

      ARTICLE: “Aged eight, wearing a Mickey Mouse sweatshirt, and placed in Israeli custody”, By Gideon Levy and Alex Levac, desertpeace.wordpress.com, 03/30/13
      27 Palestinian children never made it to school this week; IDF troops lay in ambush for them on the streets of Hebron.
      LINK – link to desertpeace.wordpress.com

  8. Bumblebye
    March 30, 2013, 5:44 pm

    “Palestinian children are being denied their childhood, while attempting to deny Israel’s children their safety, security, and all too often their lives.”

    Except this blockhead fails to note or even recognize that Israel is occupying Palestine and encouraging its citizenry, with bribes and inducements, to go live there. Israel is stealing and denying Palestinian childrens’ childhoods, Israel is the hatemonger here, not Palestine. Why would Israel be suffering “terror for decades” unless it had been inflicting far greater pain on its victims during its decades long occupation of their country?

  9. MLE
    March 30, 2013, 6:44 pm

    I saw the story about the little girl injured with rocks. Why not blame the parents though? They brought their child in the middle of a conflict by choosing to live in the settlements. They could stay in tel aviv or Haifa or Beersheba and not run the risk of stones being thrown at them.

    At some point he parents looked at their options and said “do I choose y residence based on whats the best forum daughter or do I make the decision based on religious and political ideology.” and they chose the latter.

    • Djinn
      March 30, 2013, 10:11 pm

      Especially when you consider how many times Palestinians are blamed for the injuries to their kids (although their injuries usually come from those well known non lethal things called bullets) because they “shouldn’t have been there” even though they have no choice in the matter unlike the children of people who move to a conflict zone in order to fulfil some nonsense fairy story told thousands of years ago.

      • piotr
        March 31, 2013, 12:14 pm

        I did some on-line investigation on “Kornet” missiles and I encountered web pages of weapon sellers. There you could see that weapons have a list of different types of ammunition with a class of “less lethal”, like gas canisters or rubber coated bullets. I guess that by law you cannot advertise ammunition that may cause death as “non lethal”.

        Obviously, a gas canister fired from a grenade launcher has a larger potential to cause death than a stone thrown by a teen. In a catalogue you can read that the same launcher can be used for anti-tank missiles, “anti-personel”, etc, this is why it can be aimed quite accurately.

  10. Tzombo
    March 30, 2013, 7:08 pm

    You have to understand the Israelis think of themselves as David. So the Palestinians must be Goliath and Goliath throws boulders and donkey carcasses.

  11. southernobserver
    March 30, 2013, 7:56 pm

    Vile. It is particularly objectionable that they continue to use the old lies long after they were proven to be lies.

  12. American
    March 30, 2013, 8:47 pm

    link to 972mag.com

    This tasteless picture of IDF soldiers juxtaposed with nazi Jewish camp inmates was a poster put out by Stand with Us. Looking them up I see they are international organization–are they funded by Israel or just a group of volunteers? Do they coordinate with the IDF on this stuff? I cant get their site to come up for some reason to see exactly who they are.
    I assume this stuff is used to scare US Jews into giving them money for the IDF and Israel.

    • Eva Smagacz
      March 31, 2013, 6:27 am

      The prisoners are NOT Jewish!!!!

      • talknic
        March 31, 2013, 8:18 am

        @ Eva Smagacz …. elucidate.. pls

      • Annie Robbins
        March 31, 2013, 8:56 am

        talknic, read Noam Sheizaf link to 972mag.com

      • American
        April 1, 2013, 9:53 am

        Smagacz says:
        March 31, 2013 at 6:27 am
        + Show content
        The prisoners are NOT Jewish!!!!

        Well they are OBVIOUSLY intended to portray Jewish inmates.!!!!!!

    • MK_Ultra
      March 31, 2013, 1:18 pm

      They do the same thing to extort money from people and use pix of Palestinian children. One ad was particularly sick as they used the photo of a child utterly terrorized after her parents had been murdered in front of her during the Gaza massacre of 2008-2009. The word monster doesn’t begin to describe the characters that engage in such tactics.

  13. Hostage
    March 30, 2013, 8:57 pm

    In Israel the state doesn’t have the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It simply asserts that parents teach their children to conduct terror attacks and then discusses a recent collision between two cars as a possible justification for the unrelated detentions of 7,000 under age Palestinian children over the last few years.

    The two year old in question was supposedly injured when her family’s car was hit by another car, not by a boulder thrown by children , i.e. allegedly some “Arab men threw stones at passing cars Thursday night in the West Bank, causing one to swerve into the Bitton’s car.” link to algemeiner.com

    • talknic
      March 31, 2013, 9:33 am

      The 1st report I read was a car running into a truck that had stopped after having rocks thrown at it. “According to eyewitness reports, the car in which the family was traveling crashed into the truck in front of it. The truck driver said he braked when a rock hit his vehicle. ” link to haaretz.com

      Like many bendy stories in this sad saga …

      “The assailants hurled large stones at a truck traveling near the Jewish town of Ariel, causing it to swerve into the oncoming lane and slam into the victims’ vehicle.” link to whyisrael.org

      “Adele’s mother was traveling with three of her daughters when a rock hurled at her car caused her to lose control of her vehicle and hit a truck” link to tlvfaces.com

      “several Palestinian Arab men threw stones at passing cars Thursday night in the West Bank, causing one to swerve into the Bitton’s car” link to algemeiner.com

      “Arab terrorists threw stones at the bus and private car traveling on the road, as a result, the vehicle veered off course and crashed into a truck parked on the side” (photo of a bus with rock damage) link to bhol.co.il

      “The girl was severely injured when terrorists threw rocks at the vehicle she was traveling in near the city of Ariel” (no mention of other vehicles) link to israelnationalnews.com

      ” her mother lost control of the vehicle she was driving and smashed into a truck, outside the city of Ariel in Samaria. She did that after a stone hit her car. The stone that was thrown, along with many others, was more the size of a cinder block than what one imagines when one reads the relatively innocent word “stone.””
      link to jewishpress.com

      “As a result of the rock attack, the car lost control and swerved off the road, where it crashed into a truck. The truck had also come under rock attack and was standing on the road’s shoulder when the accident took place” link to thejewishstar.com

  14. W.Jones
    March 30, 2013, 9:38 pm

    Israel works hard at fulfilling its commitments to improve the conditions of Palestinian minors caught carrying out terror attacks (kids throwing rocks?), and understands the importance of establishing better protocols for dealing with them.

    “Crocodiles possess lacrimal glands which secrete a proteinaceous fluid, just like in humans, though tears will only be visible after a crocodile is out of the water for a prolonged period of time, and the eyes begin to dry out.” – Wikipedia

  15. Blank State
    March 30, 2013, 10:45 pm

    I think all kids, at one time or another, have thrown a few stones.

    However, not many kids get to sign bombs and rockets destined to be rained upon a civilian population. Nor do many kids get to experience the thrill of assisting the forced evictions of families from their home and hearth. Yep, those Israeli kids are fortunate indeed to get to experience such depravity at such an early age! Why throw a rock when you can sign a cluster bomb?

  16. thankgodimatheist
    March 30, 2013, 11:40 pm

    “a boulder”
    He means that they were throwing something like this?
    link to nwaber.files.wordpress.com
    Who knew?! Some mighty little Herculeses, those Palestinian children..

  17. thankgodimatheist
    March 30, 2013, 11:55 pm

    Herculese (or is it Polyphemus?) throwing a boulder:
    link to hoocher.com

  18. piotr
    March 31, 2013, 1:40 am

    One thing to remember is that Israeli Jews regularly engage in rock throwing but they are never accused of terrorism by their state.

    I got really curious about boulders. After translating into my mother tongue I am getting an object that can be hurled by trolls, rolled uphill by Sisyphus, moved by a glacier but otherwise rather immobile. But in English the formal definition says that this is a piece of rock of at least 10 inches in diameter, so probably at least 30 pounds.

    Finally, I got curious about “in January, 2012, Hamas assembled a team of three assassins [12 to 14 years old] whose mission was to slaughter a Jewish family in their home, while asleep.” I was following the news but I never heard about it, nor I could find anything on the web. Is it another example of Israeli security beating out confessions, or a simple fantasy?

  19. eGuard
    March 31, 2013, 3:19 am

    Ofek: Instead of looking up to superheroes or sports stars, they are encouraged to revere “martyrs” in explosive jackets.

    Hamid Daqqa, 13. Killed by Israel, wearing a Real Madrid shirt (numbered 23, Özil).
    link to maannews.net

    • a blah chick
      March 31, 2013, 9:39 am

      What Ofek knows about Arabs you could fit into a thimble, and still have room for dessert.

  20. eGuard
    March 31, 2013, 3:39 am

    From the UNICEF report:

    In the majority of cases, the principal evidence against the child is the child’s
    own confession, in most cases extracted under duress during the interrogation.42
    Sometimes the child is implicated in a confession given by another child. In some
    cases the children unknowingly sign a ‘confession’, written in Hebrew, after being advised that ‘confessing’ is their only way out of the military detention system.
    (p.13)

    link to unicef.org

  21. Avi_G.
    March 31, 2013, 4:06 am

    The recent surge in the involvement of Palestinian minors in acts of terror is a result of continuing incitement in their schoolbooks and television programmes.

    A recent study of Palestinian and Israeli school textbooks that was conducted by a team of international researchers, among them Israeli and Zionist researchers, proves that Ofek is an outright LIAR.

    There was an article recently about the study, right here on Mondoweiss. Look it up.

    • Mayhem
      March 31, 2013, 6:50 pm

      The Textbook Study has been found in Psychology Today to be flawed and wrong.

      Refer link to psychologytoday.com

      But the study had major limitations. It ignored the insights of several previous hands-on studies, some strong, some weak. It was narrowly confined to textual excerpts alone, and did not include homework assignments, guidebooks for teachers, and the larger educational environment of children. It therefore did not capture much of the explicitly horrendous incitement in the public square, summer camps, children’s TV programs, and print media. The study did not look at Hamas run schools.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 31, 2013, 9:06 pm

        authored by a founder of the Jerusalem Center for Genocide Prevention:

        But the most striking contrasts had to do with Palestinian delegitimization: ignoring the existence of the other. 97% of Palestinian maps omitted Israeli cities, sites or Jewish holy places or sites as compared to 12% of Israeli maps that did not list Muslim sites or holy places.

        The major errors of omission and commission serve to obfuscate some of the most important differences. These errors seem to be driven by an effort to arrive at a politically correct impression of symmetry, in keeping with modern ideas in conflict resolution which emphasizes minimizing differences and maximizing similarities, even at the expense of truth.

        speaking of “major errors of omission and commission serve to obfuscate some of the most important differences” notice the sections i bolded? i wonder how many israeli maps listed the hundreds of palestinian villages wiped out by the nakba? israeli maps don’t even recognize palestine.

      • Mayhem
        April 1, 2013, 11:20 pm

        @Annie, remember maps are geographical representations of the present.

        authored by a founder of the Jerusalem Center for Genocide Prevention

        If you are to dismiss somebody’s arguments because of their political affiliations I could do the same and we would be getting nowhere. In any case the article I referenced is in Psychology Today and NOT authored by Elihu Richter.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 3, 2013, 2:28 pm

        i wasn’t dismissing it because of political affiliation, i dismissed it because a founder of the Jerusalem Center should know better than to compare percentages where there was no category for arab/palestinian towns and villages, even in present day.

        97% of Palestinian maps omitted:
        Israeli cities, sites or Jewish holy places or sites
        12% of Israeli maps that did not list
        Muslim sites or holy places.

        so what percentage of Israeli maps omitted Muslim or Palestinian cities Muslim sites or holy places? it doesn’t tell us.

        and what percentage of Palestinian maps omitted Jewish holy places or sites? it doesn’t tell us. it is by ‘error of omission’.

        the qualifications of the comparison is different for the 2 groups and then he goes on to say: “errors of omission and commission serve to obfuscate some of the most important differences. These errors seem to be driven by an effort to arrive at a politically correct impression of symmetry”

        yes, just like his own comparison serve to obfuscates. it’s very hypocritical and as a founder of a major org like the jerusalem center he should not be making such obvious ‘mistakes’. he should know better.

      • Mayhem
        April 3, 2013, 6:05 pm

        @annie, your comment is bloody minded nit picking . Do you think you can dismiss a thoughtful, comprehensive analytical report by finding one trivial questionable detail? You have said nothing at all that refutes the report that the textbook study upon which you rely for your prejudice is WRONG.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 3, 2013, 6:25 pm

        dismiss a thoughtful, comprehensive analytical report

        mayhem, are you aware this is a review of a report, not the report itself? it says right at the bottom * This blogpost was originally published in the Times of Israel.

        and what is this: In any case the article I referenced is in Psychology Today and NOT authored by Elihu Richter.

        oh really. you should inform Psychology Today, because they print:

        Author’s bio: Prof. Elihu D. Richter MD MPH is head of the Genocide Prevention Program and Injury Prevention Center and Director of the Jerusalem Center for Genocide Prevention.

        you act like it’s a Psychology Today report, it isn’t. it’s a guest blogger reviewing a report. it even says “The Palestinian-Israel Textbook Study Results Reexamined. ”

        i didn’t even read the whole thing, why should i? when someone references a poll using different standards for two societies it’s a glaring red flag w/’agenda’ written all over it. ‘comprehensive analytical report’ my arse.

        propaganda fail!

      • gamal
        March 31, 2013, 11:19 pm

        oh you didnt mean their text books then, why bring them up, it all goes on out of sight, cunning bastards, its their very society and all their interpersonal relations, so whats to be done?

        “some strong some weak” an experienced academic knows what that means, “hands on” what an unfortunate, though revealing turn of phrase.

      • tree
        April 3, 2013, 6:34 pm

        What! A study of textbooks limited itself to studying Textbooks! How “flawed”!

        Stupid point, mayhem. Not surprising.

  22. a blah chick
    March 31, 2013, 9:37 am

    “However, an atrocious new reality has arisen whereby Palestinian minors are frequently used to carry out attacks.”

    Really, frequently? The great thing about being a Jewish nationalist is that you can say any damn thing without proof.

    Also aren’t many of the price tag hits committed by minors?

    • talknic
      March 31, 2013, 2:28 pm

      “However, an atrocious new reality has arisen whereby Palestinian minors are frequently used to carry out attacks.”

      Kids will be kids. For occupied kids and youths having spent all their lives under it, occupation is normal, throwing a few rocks at their occupiers is normal.

      The Occupiers kids think being the Occupier is normal, they’ll serve in the IDF and have lots and lots of high explosives, protective equipement, tanks, fighter bombers, warships, artillery, fletchettes, cluster bombs, instead of rocks

  23. Bumblebye
    March 31, 2013, 4:09 pm

    Seven children were injured today when two schoolbuses were pelted with rocks.

    link to maannews.net

    But, since the children were Palestinian, and the rockthrowers were illegal settlers, I doubt very much that emboff Ofreak will be calling them “terrorists”, or suggesting that the Palestinian people had been suffering decades of such “terror”.

    There won’t even be any investigation worthy of the name, let alone arrests. The perpetrators, after all, are doing good work for the occupying entity.

  24. Freija
    March 31, 2013, 5:20 pm

    Amir Ofek is a member of the Israeli Embassy I suppose and should be less naiv to send such a letter to the Lancet. His naiv stupdity shows that he really believes propaganda is reality. The whole world knows the reality and see what is really going on in the OT of Palestine and he should know that such a serious information paper like Lancet knows very well too. This man and most of the israeli bureaucrats just stick hopelessly to the given propaganda. Maybe those israeli inveterate parroting spezies will still parroting the same when there is no more a Jewish state but a multiethnic democratic state. They just can not see reality. Poor blind man.

  25. Ecru
    March 31, 2013, 5:33 pm

    Boulders? Boulders are BIG – that’s the point of the word, sand, gravel, pebble, stone, rock, boulder the next one up is hill! – and children in case this numbskull has missed it are usually small. How does a child throw a boulder – you usually need a glacier to do that type of heavy lifting – are Palestinian children constructing trebuchets without the IDF noticing?

  26. kma
    March 31, 2013, 10:42 pm

    Israel says it is improving the conditions of its illegal detention of occupied minors? what, better torture techniques? but what human rights org could read that with a straight face when Israel won’t give them ANY BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS such as not being arrested by foreign soldiers, the right to live on their own land, the right to vote in the system that the settlers do which apparently governs them all… Israel’s embassy officials are paid to lie, of course.

  27. hophmi
    April 2, 2013, 7:10 am

    Do you deny the substance of what Ofek says, or are you choosing to ignore it because it’s inconvenient?

    • Donald
      April 2, 2013, 9:48 am

      I’d take it more seriously if the Israeli side once and for all admitted that the vast majority of civilian casualties are inflicted by the IDF against Palestinians–until then, what one can’t help but notice is the endless narcissism of the Israeli side which only notices its own tragedies.

    • Bumblebye
      April 2, 2013, 10:31 am

      ” the substance” of Ofreak’s letter is to cast the resistance of Palestinians living under a belligerant, thieving occupation by Israel as terrorism, even if simple stone throwing by kids, who are then themselves further terrorised by their occupiers. Yet anyone who reads any articles on this blog would know full well that his is a one sided argument, since the similar actions of belligerant settlers, from stone throwing to shootings, are almost invariably unpunished – and we never hear government representatives like him bemoaning that fact. “Israelis” do not have the right to go about their unlawful activities in NON-Israel without consequence, yet that is the shit that happens.

    • Cliff
      April 2, 2013, 11:06 am

      What is the substance of Ofek’s argument?

      Because it seems like he was equating the injuries sustained by one Israeli child to the many (vastly more) injuries of Palestinian children.

      Both in captivity, held hostage by the IDF and during demonstrations and clashes with the IDF.

      This is all happening in Palestinian land. So it’s the context – ONCE AGAIN AND ALWAYS – of an anti-colonial struggle.

      Not anti-terrorism.

      Ofek is a liar who thinks Palestinian children are ‘fed hate’. But growing up under occupation engenders hate. It’s not something that needs to be actively ‘taught’.

      There is a physical reality that is very obviously the main cause of the conflict. That is the occupation and on-going colonialism by Zionist Jews.

      Ofek also says Palestinian kids are treated humanely. He has nothing to back any of his assertions.

      And as always, neither do you hoppy.

    • Annie Robbins
      April 3, 2013, 2:32 pm

      hops, have you seen this video link to mondoweiss.net

      This discrimination is not only systemic; it has rooted itself in all the systems, including the judicial and legal systems. In Israel, not only the cops but also the courts are tougher on Arab suspects, especially when talking about attacks of this kind. It’s safe to assume that an Arab who attacks a Jew will always be punished, and relatively harshly. But if a Jew attacks an Arab, it’s very possible he’ll get out clean.

      • hophmi
        April 3, 2013, 2:40 pm

        You’re avoiding the question. OK.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 3, 2013, 3:25 pm

        You’re avoiding the question. OK.

        hops, in your perfect world you could play parent and determine what and how we discuss. but alas, that is not how formatting works on MW. out here in the real world i get to respond to what i want to respond to, when and how etc. sure, you can just throw a question out into the ether and accuse everyone who doesn’t jump to fulfill your request as purposely evading your question.

        i’m not avoiding the question, i just have better things to do than scroll up right now and review all the words i read 5 days ago and critique it. i already know rock throwing palestinian children are not the issue here. so you have your point and i have mine. meanwhile, i won’t pretend to be your shrink and accuse you of avoiding the video. ;)

        see ya round. oh, meanwhile i do plan on answering your question on that other (airport) thread shortly. because it interests me.

  28. Hostage
    April 2, 2013, 10:27 am

    Do you deny the substance of what Ofek says, or are you choosing to ignore it because it’s inconvenient?

    You’re the lawyer. Ofek cited a very recent and unrelated incident which has no probative value. Many of the barbaric acts described in the UNICEF report are prohibited at all times. UNICEF and others have noted the fact that 7,000 Palestinian children have been detained, interrogated, prosecuted, or imprisoned within the Israeli military justice system during the last 10 years. Most of them were accused of rock throwing. But even if those allegations were true, it could not have justified or mitigated the illegal acts described in the UNICEF report and other independent reports written by delegations of British legal experts, e.g. Children in Military Custody link to childreninmilitarycustody.org

    The Lancet Editorial dealt with the subject of appalling acts committed by Israeli occupation officials and military personnel which violate the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. Quite frankly the acts described would violate the rights of anyone, even if they had been accused of a serious crime by a civilized society, i.e.

    Palestinian children detained by the Israeli military have been subjected to “widespread, systematic and institutionalized” ill treatment. For instance, during interrogation, there is lack of oversight by lawyers or family members, while the children have no access to water, food, toilet facilities, or medical care, but are exposed to intimidation, physical and verbal abuse, and death threats. Some children have been put in solitary confinement, which is associated with serious adverse physical and psychiatric consequences such as insomnia, hallucinations, and mental illnesses.

    link to download.thelancet.com

    In the incident mentioned by Ofek a Jewish child was injured as a result of a collision between two automobiles. In that case it has merely been alleged that Arab men threw some stones, not that Palestinian children were involved. Even if those allegations were true, that would not justify systematic physical abuse, death threats, & etc. against children.

    There is no reason that Lancet should have entertained the idea of presenting opposing barbaric views in its Editorial.

  29. Rusty Pipes
    April 2, 2013, 8:29 pm

    Teenagers who can throw boulders? Clearly the Israelis are wasting their time trying to starve Palestinians by limiting their access to clean water and offshore fishing or poison them by polluting their fields with sewage. Kryptonite is the only thing that can deter Clark Kent.

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