Day One of Obama in Israel/Palestine — ‘It’s good to be back in the land of Israel,’ Obama says in Hebrew

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Obama and Netanyahu on the Ben Gurion tarmac. Tweeters pointed out that when Obama took his jacket off, Netanyahu promptly mimicked the president. Everything seems well coordinated.
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3:40 pm The Onion‘s itinerary for Obama’s trip

Here are some highlights of Obama’s trip according to The Onion:

  • Wednesday, 11:00 a.m.: Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to have a good laugh about the time Netanyahu tried to make Obama lose the election
     
  • Wednesday, 3:15 p.m.: While visiting West Bank, Israeli police to hurry Obama away from latest human rights atrocity
     
  • Wednesday, 8:00 p.m.: Obama to deliver customary U.S. gifts of long-range ballistic missiles and cluster bombs to Israeli military officials
     
  • Thursday, 12:20 p.m.: Obama to address protesting Palestinians with symbolic nod, shrug
     
  • Thursday, 7:00 p.m.: Obama to explain for fifth time why the U.S. can’t just drop a nuclear bomb on Tehran

Read the rest here.

2:35 pm Watch the Obama/Netanyahu press conference

2:30 pm White House says Obama/Netanyahu press conference to take place in “Jerusalem, Israel”

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2:10 pm Walking Netanyahu’s red line

2:00 pm Obama’s message in Netanyahu’s official guestbook

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10:20 am Protests in Hebron, Israel arrests children:

Photos of a protest in Hebron as Obama arrived in Israel/Palestine -

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972’s Haggai Matar writes:

Meanwhile in Hebron army forces arrested about 30 schoolchildren, at least five of whom were between the ages of 8 and 10 and thus under the age of criminal responsibility, according to B’Tselem. The children are accused of having participated in acts of stone throwing.

Later in the afternoon a group of some 25 Palestinians, internationals and Israelis marched the Shuhada Street in Hebron, where freedom of movement has been restricted and has been open only to Israelis for the past 12 years. The activists, who were following up on a Saturday workshop on civil rights in the U.S., wore “I have a dream” T-shirts and masks with the faces of Obama and Martin Luther King Jr., and carried signs connecting the fight for civil rights in the American South to that of Palestinians against Apartheid. Activists sang “woke up this morning with my mind set on freedom,” when a group of settlers started to attack them. Soldiers who swiftly arrived on the scene reportedly zoomed in on the prominent local activists, arresting four Palestinians, three internationals and two Israelis, who were later released.

Here’s B’tselem video from the Hebron arrests:

10:04 am Reports that Obama will present Iran attack timeline:

The Times of Israel reports Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel is headed to Israel next month to discuss Iran:

New word — breaking just now — is that US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is to visit here next month — doubtless with Iran, again, very high on the agenda. The timing of the Obama visit, analysts say, is very Iran-linked too. Netanyahu had spoken last fall of this spring as being the moment of truth on Iran. Obama wants to make sure, face-to-face, that the prime minister isn’t about to do anything unexpected, and that the US and Israel are as coordinated as they can be.

9:14 am Video and reports of Obama arriving at Ben Gurion Airport:

What follows, in the order we received them, are press pool reports on the President’s trip prepared by Mark Landler of the New York Times, followed by the White House report of the President’s six-minute speech on arriving in Israel, 12:55 IST (Evidently Israel Standard Time).

Note that Obama brought Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Netanyahu’s flack during his speech to Congress) and Eliot Engel (a hardline Zionist) on Air Force One with him. And, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, the Florida Republican hardliner, reports Scott Roth. So much for the honest broker.

Report #2:

Arrival at Tel Aviv President Obama touched down at Ben Gurion Airport at 12:12, local time, a few minutes early, under hazy skies. He will be greeted by the following party, per the WH: Israel: 1. President Shimon Peres 2. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu 3. Talya Lador-Fresher, MFA Chief of Protocol 4. Lt. Colonel Avraham, MOD Chief of Protocol 5. President Peres’ Aid-de-camp 6. Prime Minister Netanyahu’s Aid-de-camp United States 1. Ambassador Dan Shapiro, U.S. Ambassador to Israel

Add to Report 2:

Note: POTUS was joined on the flight by Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, D of Fla, and Rep. Eliot Engel, D of NY.

Report 3:

Arrival Ceremony

POTUS emerged from AF1 at 12:30 to a formal arrival ceremony, with full ruffles and flourishes. Standing at the end of a long red carpet with Shimon Peres and Benjamin Netanyahu, the leaders listened to the national anthems of the US and Israel, played by an Israeli military band. An honor guard from all branches of the Israeli military stood at attention. On both sides, small crowds watched from bleachers lined with Israeli and US flags and bedecked with red, white, and purple flowers. Obama and Peres then inspected the troops, with Obama putting his arm around Peres at one point. The three leaders marched down the long carpet, with Air Force One as a looming backdrop, to a lengthy receiving line of civil and religious dignitaries, as well as members of the new Israeli government. Obama made his way slowly through the line, smiling, shaking hands, and leaning in to hear. Among the religious leaders were rabbis, priests, imams, their vestments contrasting to the dark business suits of the government officials. Netanyahu then hugged and kissed members of the US delegation including Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Eliot Engel. Shimon Peres introduced Obama, saying “We welcome you as a remarkable president.” Remarks are carried live but highlights: “Your visit here is a demonstration of the profound relationship between our two countries” “Thank for way you are, thank you for what you do. Thank you for the hopes you carry with you.” With US role, he said, it would “invite aggression against Israel.” “Welcome home, Mr. President.” PM Netanyahu then said, “you’ve chosen to come to Israel as the first foreign visit of your second term.” “I come here today with a simple message for you and the people of the United States: Thank you. Thanking for standing with Israel.” Bibi thanks Obama for military aid, standing up for Israel at the UN, and for the “unbreakable US bond.” “You’ll see past, present, and future in this tiny land that has left such a huge imprint on civilization.” He mentions Obama seeing the Dead Sea scroll, showing the link between the Jewish and the land. Bibi said he has chosen a few bars and cafes in Tel Aviv, if Obama wanted to go incognito, as he joked about in an interview with Israeli TV last week. “Shalom!” Obama said to scattered claps. “It’s good to be back in the land of Israel,” Obama said in Hebrew, to broader applause. “I see this visit as an opportunity to reaffirm the unbreakable bond between our two nations.” “We share a common story,” he added. “Peace must come to the Holy Land” Obama ends his speech with a ringing affirmation of an “eternal alliance.” Pool is now moving to a hanger where POTUS will inspect an Iron Dome anti-missile system.

Report 4:

Iron Dome Inspection

Obama arrived in a black SUV to inspect Iron Dome and other air-defense systems lined up outside an hangar on the tarmac. They are a mix of rockets and mobile anti-missile batteries. “I’m a young man. I’m always looking for any chance to walk,” Obama said to Israeli military officials after hopping out of the SUV. Obama listened as an officer explained the functions of an Iron Dome battery, a squat, desert-grey weapon pointed skyward. He then entered what appeared to be a control room. Michael Oren and Dan Shapiro, Israel’s ambassador to the US and the US ambassador to Israel, chatted outside as they waited. Back outside, Obama shook hands with a line of Israeli officials in front of Iron Dome. He paused again in front of the battery, gesturing with his hands, as an officer spoke to him. POTUS and Bibi then walked, in shirt sleeves, to Marine One, for the short flight into Jerusalem. Pool is following Background from WH: “Following the official arrival ceremony at Ben Gurion Airport, President Obama will view an Iron Dome battery in Tel Aviv. Iron Dome is a short range rocket and mortar defense system, which was developed by Israel and produced with U.S. assistance. Iron Dome is part of a multi-tier missile defense architecture developed as a counter measure to the rocket threat against Israel’s civilian population. The United States has provided $275 million in Iron Dome funding since it’s inception, and will provide an additional $211 million in funding in FY 2013. Iron Dome has saved countless Israeli lives, most recently during Operation Pillar of Defense, during the November 2012 Gaza conflict. The development of Israel’s defense architecture demonstrates the strength of the U.S.-Israel mutual defense relationship and exemplifies the United States’ commitment to Israel’s security.”

From the White House:

12:55 P.M. IST
    

PRESIDENT OBAMA:  Shalom.  (Applause.)  President Peres, Prime Minister Netanyahu, and most of all, to the people of Israel, thank you for this incredibly warm welcome.  This is my third visit to Israel so let me just say tov lihiyot shuv ba’aretz.  (Applause.)

 

I’m so honored to be here as you prepare to celebrate the 65th anniversary of a free and independent State of Israel.  Yet I know that in stepping foot on this land, I walk with you on the historic homeland of the Jewish people. 

 

More than 3,000 years ago, the Jewish people lived here, tended the land here, prayed to God here.  And after centuries of exile and persecution, unparalleled in the history of man, the founding of the Jewish State of Israel was a rebirth, a redemption unlike any in history.

 

Today, the sons of Abraham and the daughters of Sarah are fulfilling the dream of the ages — to be “masters of their own fate” in “their own sovereign state.”  And just as we have for these past 65 years, the United States is proud to stand with you as your strongest ally and your greatest friend.

 

As I begin my second term as President, Israel is the first stop on my first foreign trip.  This is no accident.  Across this region the winds of change bring both promise and peril.  So I see this visit as an opportunity to reaffirm the unbreakable bonds between our nations, to restate America’s unwavering commitment to Israel’s security, and to speak directly to the people of Israel and to your neighbors. 

 

I want to begin right now, by answering a question that is sometimes asked about our relationship — why?  Why does the United States stand so strongly, so firmly with the State of Israel?  And the answer is simple.  We stand together because we share a common story — patriots determined to be e a free people in our land,” pioneers who forged a nation, heroes who sacrificed to preserve our freedom, and immigrants from every corner of the world who renew constantly our diverse societies.

 

We stand together because we are democracies.  For as noisy and messy as it may be, we know that democracy is the greatest form of government ever devised by man. 

 

We stand together because it makes us more prosperous.  Our trade and investment create jobs for both our peoples.  Our partnerships in science and medicine and health bring us closer to new cures, harness new energy and have helped transform us into high-tech hubs of our global economy.

 

We stand together because we share a commitment to helping our fellow human beings around the world.  When the earth shakes and the floods come, our doctors and rescuers reach out to help. When people are suffering, from Africa to Asia, we partner to fight disease and overcome hunger.

 

And we stand together because peace must come to the Holy Land.  For even as we are clear-eyed about the difficulty, we will never lose sight of the vision of an Israel at peace with its neighbors.

 

So as I begin this visit, let me say as clearly as I can –the United States of America stands with the State of Israel because it is in our fundamental national security interest to stand with Israel.  It makes us both stronger.  It makes us both more prosperous.  And it makes the world a better place.  (Applause.)

 

That’s why the United States was the very first nation to recognize the State of Israel 65 years ago.  That’s why the Star of David and the Stars and Stripes fly together today.  And that is why I’m confident in declaring that our alliance is eternal, it is forever – lanetzach.

 

Thank you very much.  (Applause.)

110 Responses

  1. Qualtrough
    March 20, 2013, 9:38 am

    There is not much that will make me vomit, but this is very close.

    • kalithea
      March 20, 2013, 12:23 pm

      Seconded!

    • German Lefty
      March 20, 2013, 1:36 pm

      This was my very first thought, too: Puke! מבחיל

    • Debbie Menon
      March 20, 2013, 8:43 pm

      Great report! Good effort.

      If you watch the body language carefully, Obama looks very courteous.

      Netanyahu and Peres look apprehensive, no trace of the usual chutzpah, self-confidence and arrogance.

      Peres must have begged Obama to make the trip and Netanyahu looks sheepish if anything.

  2. pabelmont
    March 20, 2013, 9:42 am

    I like this! So positive. So friendly. “Peace must come”. Great stuff.

    But can “peace” afford to buy the plane ticket? It must evidently come by itself, a waif, undocumented, un-visaed, unpapered, certainly foreign — an intending immigrant, if it come at all, and it must be prepared to be turned back at the Israeli border.

    Israel looks to consider itself the state of “The Jewish People”, and peace is not a member. Intending immigrant be warned.

  3. Cliff
    March 20, 2013, 9:52 am

    Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

    I guess after Obama, there’s really no reason to ever think an American president is honest about well, anything.

    That’s only if you were dumb enough to buy into the Obama brand.

    • Woody Tanaka
      March 20, 2013, 10:14 am

      “That’s only if you were dumb enough to buy into the Obama brand.”

      The greatest indictment against America is the fact that this dirty-dishwater suck-ass was the lesser of the two evils.

    • kalithea
      March 20, 2013, 12:36 pm

      “I guess after Obama, there’s really no reason to ever think an American president is honest about well, anything.”

      Obama was never the benchmark of honesty and good to begin with. I’m tired of people pinning their hopes on Obama again and again.

      Obama was never the standard bearer of Hope and Change. There’s a difference between that and what he really represented: the “hopey-changey fraud”. When choosing a President, Americans are too chicken to think out of the box and that’s why opportunistic cartoon characters like Obama can be dressed up as Presidential and programed for the continuing misguided agenda.

    • K Renner
      March 20, 2013, 12:44 pm

      I actually “liked” his GOP adversaries better because at least you can tell that they’re scuzzballs within seconds of seeing them.
      With BO, you have to wait until he’s president and running around spouting garbage like this.

      I think the worst part is that all the social liberals and “Torontonian white girls” and other people like that all still get wet for BO because he supports gay marriage and wants women to be allowed free abortions.

  4. eljay
    March 20, 2013, 9:55 am

    All I hear is the sound of Barry O. gagging on a donkey penis…

  5. Woody Tanaka
    March 20, 2013, 9:59 am

    “‘We stand together because we share a common story — patriots determined to be a free people in our land,’ pioneers who forged a nation, heroes who sacrificed to preserve our freedom, and immigrants from every corner of the world who renew constantly our diverse societies.”

    Disgusting that this bastard did not even have the common humanity to even mention that these so-called patriots, pioneers, “heroes” and immigrants built these countries on the corpses of the rightful owners of the land. Pig.

    “We stand together because we share a commitment to helping our fellow human beings around the world.”

    Having this lick-spittle horse’s ass saying this nonsense amid a horde of people inflicting pain on their fellow human being for no reason other than that they are non-Jews in the land the israelis covet makes me ashamed to be American.

    • pabelmont
      March 20, 2013, 10:22 am

      Woody: You said it so well. We knew in advance that this was what “politics” called for, so we should not be surprised. Though I do wonder, why the trip at all? Maybe we’ll see. However, American politics being what it has been agreed by the rich-and-powerful that it is, we can expect nothing positive to spring from VISIBLE action. And we can only infer that invisible action has occurred by looking at seemingly unrelated but positive events. If any. Few sightings as of today. Hazy.

      • Woody Tanaka
        March 20, 2013, 10:31 am

        “Though I do wonder, why the trip at all?”

        Because the fifth column in the US (AiPAC, etc.) were demanding it. It’s like the mafia, when the Don calls, you come, even if it means leaving your child in his deathbed. So when the fifth column of the zio supporters demand they go to Occupied Palestine and blow the donkey, the meat puppets in the administration do a little dance.

      • Danny_123
        March 20, 2013, 11:28 am

        “Though I do wonder, why the trip at all?”

        2014 midterms.

    • kalithea
      March 20, 2013, 12:44 pm

      Take the horse’s ass to Hebron and let the rabid settlers have their way with it.

    • seafoid
      March 20, 2013, 12:48 pm

      link to youtube.com

      Trader found the jeweled land
      Was occupied before he came
      By humans of a second look
      Who couldn’t even write their names shame
      Trader said they’re not as good
      As folks who wear velvet robes
      Wrote home again and asked, “Please help
      Their breasts I see; they’re not like me
      Banish them from our prairies and our hillsides
      Clear them from our mountains and our seaside
      I want them off our lakes so please reply
      Signed sincerely.”

      Trader he got the crown okay
      Cleared humanity from his way
      He civilized all he saw
      Making changes every single day say
      Shops sprang over the prairies and the hillsides
      Then roads cut through the mountains to the seaside
      The other kind fled to hide, by and by,
      And so sincerely
      Cried.

    • Wonder Bunder
      March 21, 2013, 5:11 am

      Agreed, Woody. The line about “helping our fellow human beings” literally made my jaw drop and think to myself, “you gotta be f—— kidding me.”

  6. ckg
    March 20, 2013, 10:11 am

    Shameful.

  7. Abdul-Rahman
    March 20, 2013, 10:15 am

    Two things that came to my mind:

    Tel Aviv University linguist Paul Wexler “The Schizoid Nature of Modern Hebrew:
    A Slavic Language in Search of a Semitic Past” link to books.google.com

    And of course Tel Aviv University Professor of History Shlomo Sand “The Invention of the Land of Israel: From Holy Land to Homeland” link to amazon.com

  8. American
    March 20, 2013, 11:03 am

    While Obama is doing the donkey in Israel this will cheer you up a bit—pro Pal, pro peace Jewish girl kicks zio Jewish ass …LOL Bring it on.

    Pro-Palestinian activists assault Jewish woman in Oakland
    Writing ‘Am Yisrael Chai’ on sidewalk stirs commotion during California protest
    March 20, 2013, 3:42 am

    Hannah Larson (on her knees) attacked by pro-Palestinian activists in Oakland

    SAN FRANCISCO (JTA) — A 22-year-old Jewish woman was assaulted at a pro-Palestinian rally in Oakland, Calif., last week after writing “Am Yisrael Chai” in chalk on the sidewalk.

    The incident, which was captured on video, took place at a March 13 rally held at the Frank Ogawa Plaza to mark the fourth anniversary of the wounding of Tristan Anderson, an Oakland resident injured in the West Bank while protesting against the Israeli military.

    In the video, Hannah Larson, a Seattle native who immigrated to Israel in 2010, can be seen seen writing on the ground in an area set aside for chalk-written slogans; the words “Freedom to Speak” appear on the ground nearby.

    When Larson spelled out the Hebrew phrase that translates as “The Jewish people live” or “The nation of Israel lives,” a young woman later identified as Gabby Silverman of Oakland grabbed the chalk from Larson’s hand, cursing and repeatedly shoving Larson. Silverman also called Larson a “whore.”

    Others quickly joined the fracas, and Larson was pushed to the street, away from the rally. Friends of Larson filmed the encounter.

    On a Facebook page promoting the rally, Silverman wrote of the incident, “We created a space at the plaza to chalk the names of our dead friends and imprisoned comrades and these zionist pieces of shit chalk ‘am yisrael chai’ over it. This is exactly the settler colonialist mindset that we are fighting against, putting their right wing bullshit over the space for our dead friends. ‘Am yisrael chai’ means ‘the people of Israel live’, which seems mellow enough but its the main slogan of the right wing. My only regret is calling her a whore. That was inappropriate and I’m sorry. Solidarity with whores everywhere!”

    Larson could not be reached for comment. Daniel Wencel, 63, who filmed the incident, said he does not believe Larson will press charges.

    Michael Harris, a spokesman for the Bay Area chapter of the Israel advocacy group StandWithUs, said this was not an isolated incident.

    “This is not the first time that we’ve seen violent responses from members of anti-Israel groups,” he said. “It’s unfortunate that some of the same people who support Hamas violence against Israelis are getting violent toward Israel supporters here.”

    link to timesofisrael.com

    • K Renner
      March 20, 2013, 12:47 pm

      and no comment on his disgusting “StandwithUs” group and their shutting down of free speech and right of assembly for those who support equality for everyone as opposed for those who only want equality and rights for jews.

    • Light
      March 20, 2013, 1:01 pm

      As much as I dislike StandWithUs, name calling at these events only plays into their hands.

      • Cliff
        March 20, 2013, 6:06 pm

        The Zionist wrote ‘Am Chai Israel’ on top of the names of dead Palestinians and dead American activists.

        As usual, the story is falsified by Zionist organizations.

        Liars lying so effortlessly as StandWithUs is known for.

    • susan1
      March 20, 2013, 1:36 pm

      Gabby Silverman’s actions show just how prone to hysteria anti Israel activists really are . Silverman, like many of her fellow “activists” unable or too lazy to construct and argue their case. At the same time she tries to deny others the right to free speech.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 20, 2013, 1:55 pm

        i’ve never heard of Gabby Silverman. i wonder if she’s connected to any of the bay area solidarity activists i know. this doesn’t sound like typical behavior to me. i’m going to ask around the bay area activist community. this sounds like a touch of a setup if you ask me. i could be wrong, just a hunch.

      • jon s
        March 20, 2013, 2:37 pm

        A google-search reveals that Gabby Anderson and Tristan Anderson were a couple.
        Be that as it may, Ms.Larson certainly could press charges.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 20, 2013, 3:59 pm

        A google-search reveals that Gabby Anderson and Tristan Anderson were a couple.

        yes from my search, it does appear to be the same person mentioned in the article. how unfortunate.

      • Light
        March 20, 2013, 4:05 pm
      • jon s
        March 20, 2013, 4:08 pm

        oops! that should be Gabby Silverman.

      • tree
        March 20, 2013, 4:26 pm

        yes from my search, it does appear to be the same person mentioned in the article. . how unfortunate.

        If so, it may explain to some extent her anger at Ms. Larson, who was writing a right wing slogan during a memorial for those killed by Israel. (Kind of equivalent to chalking a swastika over a memorial to Jews killed in WWII) Given the fact that Anderson was paralyzed in the IDF attack on him, I suspect Silverman has some pent up personal anger over the issue.

        I find it telling that the newpaper article felt it necessary to identify Larson as Jewish, but not Silverman.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 20, 2013, 5:00 pm

        tree so, it may explain to some extent her anger at Ms. Larson, who was writing a right wing slogan during a memorial for those killed by Israel.

        yeah, on one of the local listserves:

        I heard from a reliable witness that activists were chalking the sidewalks with positive messages and the names of their fallen comrades…. A zionist then proceeded to chalk Israeli propaganda messages

        and it appears the event was partly in commemoration of the attack on tristan, note the date: link to democracynow.org

        very sad.

      • kalithea
        March 20, 2013, 10:29 pm

        “this doesn’t sound like typical behavior to me.”

        It felt like a perfectly human reaction to me, but then you have to look at the big picture and put yourself in her shoes first to get that, before rushing to judgment.

        I’m not ashamed to admit I’d react the same way to blatant ignorance, deliberate provocation and insensitivity. But then I already stated as much earlier, but my comment must have gotten lost in the pile…again. (sigh!)

      • jon s
        March 21, 2013, 1:39 am

        The message was Am Yirael Hai – “the people of Israel live”. An affirmation of life, of survival , certainly a “positive message”.

      • sardelapasti
        March 21, 2013, 2:02 am

        jon s – That Larson sure can press charges, sure. But there are ways to make her pay for that for years to come without breaking the law. Make her pay not for writing. For what was done to Anderson.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 21, 2013, 2:09 am

        certainly a “positive message”

        iow, if some israelis gathered at the anniversary of the victims of suicide attacks for a memorial of sorts and a palestinian activist began drawing FREE PALESTINE (An affirmation of life, of survival , certainly a “positive message”) across the front of the memorial, you’d think it was cool.

        really cool is they brought along some film people (yes he’s a regular standwithus affiliate who films palestinian activists)and produced a video of the girlfriend of one of the jews who lost his brain in the attack, a video of her assaulting the palestinian activist w/the FREE PALESTINE “positive message.”

        totally dude, i get it. way to score “the people of Israel live” points.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 21, 2013, 2:18 am

        hey jon, wouldn’t it be a trip if this girl got ..like thousands and thousands of dollars for her having to endure that ‘attack’ while the person who blew tristan’s brain’s out ..well, we’ll never know his name he’s so protected.

        actually, that would a fairly well represent the scale of justice for pro zionists vs pro palestinian activists wouldn’t it? something you could be proud of.

        she’s a terrible actress tho, the ‘victim’. i urge everyone to watch the end of that video again.

      • tree
        March 21, 2013, 2:43 am

        The message was Am Yirael Hai – “the people of Israel live”. An affirmation of life, of survival , certainly a “positive message”.

        Seems a tad insensitive to scrawl such a thing at a memorial to people killed and wounded by Israel. Kind of reminds me of Fred Phelps and the gang.

      • jon s
        March 21, 2013, 5:23 am

        Aha, you’re using the “whatabout” argument.
        Ms.Larson was attacked in an ugly, thuggish , hate-filled way. So instead of condemning it , what you have to say is “what about Tristam”? In the debate over the boycott, for example, when I used the “whatabout” reasoning (as in whatabout countries with worse human-rights records) – my point was dismissed by the pro-boycott side.
        And I don’t know about the “actress ” part: she seems pretty sincere.

        On a different topic: two rockets fired from Gaza hit Sderot this morning.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 21, 2013, 9:28 am

        So instead of condemning it , what you have to say is “what about Tristam”?

        btw, it’s tristan, and no..i didn’t ask what about tristan.

        when I used the “whatabout” reasoning (as in whatabout countries with worse human-rights records) – my point was dismissed the pro-boycott side

        what a pity for you. life is so unfair.

        Aha, you’re using the “whatabout” argument.

        i missed this reference in the hasbara handbook, can you link to it please? does wiki offer a page for it like it does the ad hominem and the strawman? i see you have no similar critique of susan’s broad brush commentary; shows just how prone to hysteria anti Israel activists really are .

        so what exactly is the “whatabout” argument? you mean the ‘what if it had been you argument’? you mean the ‘do unto others as you would have them do unto you’ argument? ahhh, seems like a decent argument to me. i’ll stand by it.

        I don’t know about the “actress ” part: she seems pretty sincere.

        she looked like she was smirking in the interview part at the end, about to crack a smile the whole time, and then she did.(i think, i would have to review).

        anyway, from the little bit of sleuthing i did it seems many of the east bay activists know the guy who accompanied her, David Holsey. apparently he’s there at all the events sticking a camera in people’s faces. the way it was filmed suggests it wasn’t a random video. looks staged, albeit who could expect that kind of response (except maybe susan!)

        you probably don’t think it’s relevant it was a memorial either.

        On a different topic: two rockets fired from Gaza hit Sderot this morning.

        i noticed you’re no where to be seen over on yesterdays ‘Mass arrest of Palestinian children on their way to school in Hebron’ thread link to mondoweiss.net

        any reason you can think of why gazans might have shot off some rockets this morning? aside from palestinians getting uppity that is? do you think the rockets inconvenienced the citizens of sderot? perhaps dragging a busload of israeli children off to gaza for a little I&T (interrogation and torture) would have been less traumatic for the citizens of sderot? you think?

        btw, did you watch the video of the children of hebron being dragged away? perhaps i should have added some of my own commentary to the post referencing israel’s soldiers as “ugly, thuggish , hate-filled”? after all their actions were much more severe than anything ms larson had to endure (and the victims were children). nah, i don’t accuse my ideological opponents of hatred. it’s cheap discourse.

      • Woody Tanaka
        March 21, 2013, 10:30 am

        “Ms.Larson was attacked in an ugly, thuggish , hate-filled way. ”

        She got what was coming to her. It’s unfortunate, but she bears all of the blame for the outcome. What she did was the equal of scrawling “Deutschland über alles” at a Holocaust memorial. She was practically begging to be beat up chalking that vile slogan at this event.

      • Woody Tanaka
        March 21, 2013, 10:33 am

        “The message was Am Yirael Hai – “the people of Israel live”. An affirmation of life, of survival , certainly a “positive message”.”

        It’s a slogan of hate and death aimed at Palestinians and a warning that the zionists are going to steal their land, murder them and their families, and oppress anyone they don’t manage to kill. In this context, it’s the equal to “Gott Mit Uns” on an SS belt buckle.

      • susan1
        March 21, 2013, 10:39 am

        Actually, annie I consider most subsequent comments on this post prove my point perfectly about levels of hysteria within the ranks of the anti- Israel Activists. The I/P conflict doesn’t BELONG to you people, it belongs to the Palestinians and Israelis.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 21, 2013, 1:03 pm

        woody, in all fairness i think it’s used in different ways at different times. but i don’t think it’s fair to make a blanket statement about the meaning of the term. however, it is often politicized. link to ynetnews.com

        Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was in Germany last week. While there, he visited Wannsee Villa in Berlin the place that the “Final Solution” for the destruction of Europe’s Jews was planned in 1942 by Adolf Hitler and leaders of the Third Reich. In the visitors book Netanyahu wrote three words in Hebrew and then translated them into English: “Ams Yisrael Chai – The people of Israel live.”

        These words are very powerful and loaded with meaning and emotion. We read each Passover on the Seder night that in every generation someone stands up to annihilate the Jews and the Almighty saves us from their evil hands. Since our dawn as a people we have survived countless attempts to destroy us.

        The most serious attempt to obliterate the Jews took place in Wannsee Villa in Berlin where the decision to carry out the Holocaust took place. But that also failed and a mere 60 years later the prime minister of a powerful and successful Jewish state enters the building and declares that those who planned have failed and defiantly writes the words Am Yisrael Chai – the nation of Israel lives.

        But as one thinks about this, two things come to mind. First we must recognize that threats to the Jewish people are serious. Those who stated that they wanted to kill us before meant it and those who say so today also do. We must always be vigilant. Iran must be stopped. If America won’t do it, Israel must. There is no doubt that we Jews will outlive the Islamic republic of Iran. But we must not allow them the capability to hurt us as they suffer their inevitable demise.

        The second thought relates to how the people of Israel live. According to Judaism, real life goes beyond the concept of breathing and having blood flow through our veins. Real living means existing with a purpose and connecting to G-d and others. The Torah has some of the most forward thinking and compassionate laws that have become the basis for any moral and civilized society. Jews have always been the world’s moral conscious. This is one of the reasons that we have been hated so much over the centuries.

        The Jewish people are charged with the responsibility to be a light unto the nations. This means that we must talk, speak and act in a manner that exemplifies decency, morality and compassion. But it does not end there. Jews also have a spiritual responsibility. Being a good person is not enough. If our entire reality consists solely of the physical aspect of the universe and we do not tap into, or are unaware of, the deeper divine consciousness, we are not living up to our responsibilities as a nation. We must recognize the spiritual and divine dimension of the universe and then radiate that deep appreciation of spirituality and G-dliness outwards to others.

        i think larson writing it at a memorial for those fallen by israel, in this context implies tristan would fall into this category: threats to the Jewish people are serious. Those who stated that they wanted to kill us before meant it and those who say so today also do.

        so i think it was used in a provocative insensitive way. i still don’t think it justifies the response she got. but i think it helps explain why she got the response she did. you just do not interrupt a commemoration like that, it’s rude.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 21, 2013, 1:12 pm

        prove my point perfectly about levels of hysteria within the ranks of the anti- Israel Activists.

        that’s fine susan, i get your point you think we’re all the same. it makes it much easier to understand where you’re coming from also, very instructive.

      • German Lefty
        March 21, 2013, 1:30 pm

        What she did was the equal of scrawling “Deutschland über alles” at a Holocaust memorial.

        Woody, I hope you know that the line “Deutschland über alles” was not intended to be taken literally. The German anthem was written in 1841. It was NOT meant as a call for German world domination but merely as a call for a unified Germany.
        When we were taught the Deutschlandlied at school, our music teacher emphasised the actual and original meaning of that particular line and told us that Hitler perverted the meaning. With that in mind, we found nothing wrong with singing that line in music class. We must not allow Hitler to have the prerogative of interpretation of the Deutschlandlied.

      • Woody Tanaka
        March 21, 2013, 1:32 pm

        “The I/P conflict doesn’t BELONG to you people, it belongs to the Palestinians and Israelis.”

        Well, Scotswoman, please be the first among us non-Palestinians and non-Israelis to stfu. Please.

      • Woody Tanaka
        March 21, 2013, 1:57 pm

        Annie, I think in another context, the phrase would not be evil and would even be an inspiring thing. (Such as your quote suggests before it wanders off into the woods of being self-aggrandizing, theological, near-masturbatory pap about Jews being the conscience of humanity.)

        If I failed to make that clear, by specifying that I was speak of the phrase “[i]n this context,” then I apologize for my sloppy writing. Nevertheless, when used as it was here, in that context, it is, in my opinion, a pretty sinister thing.

      • Woody Tanaka
        March 21, 2013, 2:08 pm

        German Lefty,
        I appreciate that very much. But the point I was making was that there can be little doubt that if someone were to chalk that on a Holocaust memorial in the US, there could be little doubt that that person was invoking Hitler’s use of the song and not it’s intent as a call for German unification.

      • German Lefty
        March 21, 2013, 3:51 pm

        if someone were to chalk that on a Holocaust memorial in the US, there could be little doubt that that person was invoking Hitler’s use of the song

        Yes, of course. I have no doubt about that.
        If you accept the original meaning, then the line is totally useless nowadays, because Germany is already unified (again). Therefore, anyone who uses the line “Deutschland über alles” as a slogan separate from the Deutschlandlied must have Hitler’s interpretation in mind.

      • jon s
        March 21, 2013, 4:59 pm

        Annie,
        So you chose to answer with yet another “whatabout” – this time trying to shift the topic from the attack on Ms.Larson to the children in Hebron. Looks like a tactic to avoid any kind of condemnation.

        There are plenty of threads here on which I don’t comment. There’s no way I can follow them all, let alone comment. I have a family, a job, a life – and I’ve found that MW is highly addictive…
        For the record, I think any abuse of children is horrible and contemptible. The whole situation is Hebron is an ongoing crime against the Palestinian population.

        I have no explanation for today’s rockets: probably has to do with some outfit over there, or the Hamas itself, wanting to draw attention during Obama’s visit. For me Sderot is personal: it’s not far from my home, any escalation could affect us here in Beer Sheva, and my daughter works there.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 21, 2013, 5:00 pm

        gl and woody, it’s precisely these sorts of distinctions that makes her(larson) actions sinister. especially in a foreign language understanding something only a native speaker or someone who knows the history might understand. she’s feigning total innocence in the interview in the film, but that’s pretty hard to fathom given the circumstances. and i think other israelis, who know how the term has been used against palestinians, know the term has other meanings other than some innocent love and peace message.

        this was a hasbara fail all the way around. imho, because of the circumstances surrounding the event. they know that. and if they push it and try to squeeze blood out of this turnip, they’ll be hell to pay. we can write an article about it and ask why the msm is giving more attention to this spat than they gave to the attack on tristan. and we can ask just how victimized ms larson feels. everyone can see that video, her facial expressions tell all.

        jon , again wrt your comment: “On a different topic: two rockets fired from Gaza hit Sderot this morning.“, you brought up the other topic, i responded to it, logically. you can accuse me of attempting to shift the topic all you want but anyone who reads the thread can tell i have no problem addressing ms larson or the response to her actions.

        Looks like a tactic to avoid any kind of condemnation.

        just a little heads up for you, this is not dailykos. we don’t think a whole lot of demands for condemnations here. i don’t need a tactic to avoid something i have no obligation to condemn. period. i think what ms larson did was morally wrong, regardless of the outcome. i would not advocate attacking a person physically just because they are partaking in morally wrong behavior. however, it is not for me to judge ms silverman’s reaction because i have not walked in her shoes. if i had, i cannot honestly say i wouldn’t have gone out of my mind in the ensuing years after her experience and responded even more harshly than she did if someone tried defacing a commemoration of someone i loved and cared for who was almost killed and seriously, permanently maimed.

        btw, these kind of gotcha comments, it’s not so much that team shalom or whoever doesn’t make them here, it’s that they generally don’t get published. so if you have an opinion that’s fine. but you and i ..we’re won’t be having more exchanges like that and attempts to pursue them, don’t anticipate they will be published. please find another way to communicate because our threads are already contentious enough as it is. thanks.

        see ya.

      • jon s
        March 21, 2013, 5:18 pm

        “Am Yisrael Hai” is sinister only if you regard the survival of the Jewish people as sinister.
        Check it out:

      • Woody Tanaka
        March 21, 2013, 5:26 pm

        “‘So you chose to answer with yet another “whatabout” – this time trying to shift the topic from the attack on Ms.Larson to the children in Hebron. Looks like a tactic to avoid any kind of condemnation.”

        Yes, because god forbid we concentrate on your abomination of a state arresting and torturing children instead of bemoaning that some stupid punk got the ass kicking she so richly deserved.

        “I have no explanation for today’s rockets”

        Really? See, I would assume that it has something to do with you people holding them as prisoners in their own land for a couple generations, killing them at will and without punishment and destroying their lives and the lives of their children. You know, something like that.

        And don’t ask me to cry for you and your daughter, because you choose to live and work in a war zone. You have the luxury to move, something your state continues to steal from the people upon whose land your country is squatting.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 21, 2013, 5:43 pm

        jon, i understand the deeper meaning as i expressed here. link to mondoweiss.net

        is sinister only if you regard the survival of the Jewish people as sinister.

        are we going in circles!

        link to mondoweiss.net

        iow, if some israelis gathered at the anniversary of the victims of suicide attacks for a memorial of sorts and a palestinian activist began drawing FREE PALESTINE (An affirmation of life, of survival , certainly a “positive message”) across the front of the memorial, you’d think it was cool.

        i do not agree with you jon, i think “Am Yisrael Hai” can be used to pour salt on an open wound. then it’s sinister.

      • Woody Tanaka
        March 21, 2013, 5:47 pm

        ““Am Yisrael Hai” is sinister only if you regard the survival of the Jewish people as sinister.”

        No, it’s sinister (or worse) when it is used as it was here, as a vile and racist insult to the memorial to those who suffered and died at the hands of a state that uses that very expression as its marching song in committing its ethnic cleansing.

        Context is everything.

      • Cliff
        March 21, 2013, 5:57 pm

        jon s

        either you are mentally disabled or simply trying to instigate a train of comments – after which you tuck tail and run (like all the other Zionist commentators)

        your political opponents don’t regard the ‘survival’ of Jewish people to be at stake

        and that is the case

        Jews existed before Israel and there is nothing to suggest that all Jews everywhere will spontaneously combust should Israel cease to exist

        its like when you Zionists say BDS is out to destroy Israel or that non-violent activists are out to destroy Israel

        Israel’s destruction – is in truth, the transition from a racist, apartheid Jewish ethnocracy to a State for its citizens.

      • Cliff
        March 21, 2013, 5:59 pm

        Annie I second that.

        Enough with these ‘gotcha’ memes of the conflict.

        We have moderation for a reason. To keep spam and redundant debunked propaganda OUT.

      • Keith
        March 21, 2013, 7:05 pm

        JON S- “Am Yisrael Hai” is sinister only if you regard the survival of the Jewish people as sinister.”

        By “Jewish people,” are you referring to living, breathing people who happen to be Jews, or are you referring, as I suspect, to that organizational entity known as the tribe? And if you are referring to the tribe, why does survival of this particular organizational entity take precedence over individual human rights?

      • sardelapasti
        March 21, 2013, 7:32 pm

        jon s – “I have no explanation for today’s rockets”
        You must have been asleep when the Zionist entity started the ongoing war against all Palestinian people in November 1947. You also were asleep, perhaps, when it was explained that the war is, as we said, ongoing. There is your perfectly good explanation.

        “us here in Beer Sheva,” Just saw this.
        I suppose you are a Zionist entity citizen and appeal to all commentators to stop responding to your posts.

      • jon s
        March 22, 2013, 1:44 am

        Sardelapasti,
        I wonder who’s been asleep – my profile and my comments have been here for some time.
        “Zionist entity” – real denial-of-reality mode.

      • American
        March 23, 2013, 3:09 pm

        “Ms.Larson was attacked in an ugly, thuggish , hate-filled way”…..jon

        Maybe it’s because she was an ugly thug herself.

      • eljay
        March 20, 2013, 2:01 pm

        Ms. Silverman’s behaviour is utterly shameful.

        >> Silverman … unable or too lazy to construct and argue [her] case. At the same time she tries to deny others the right to free speech.

        That makes her sound an awful lot like a Zio-supremacist.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 20, 2013, 2:17 pm

        i’ve put the word out. the video at the link seems staged, especially the end when they interview the ‘victim’ . plus, oddly enough it was filmed by someone from stand with us, who just happened to be standing around. his name is daniel wencel, not adverse to deception:

        link to bluemaumau.org

        SANTA CLARA, Calif. — The California Court of Appeals upheld the trial court decision that Daniel Wencel, founder and president of Caboodle Cartridge, is liable for $90,000 for making false statements that allured franchisees into a valueless area directorship.

      • kalithea
        March 20, 2013, 10:09 pm

        I enjoy some of your comments but you’re being a tad self-righteous and I’m trying to be nice.

      • sardelapasti
        March 21, 2013, 7:23 pm

        Her man is braindead, murdered in impunity by a Zionist war criminal acting on orders of their funder Zionists in the US. It was that murder that was being remembered on the day that Larson came with her film crew to provoke. Larson, Seattle.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 20, 2013, 3:57 pm

        Gabby Silverman’s actions show just how prone to hysteria anti Israel activists really are .

        because we’re all the same, yer so cute when you generalize susan.

      • Light
        March 20, 2013, 4:07 pm

        Maybe she was too emotional but now I understand where it’s coming from. She was with Tristan Andersen when he was murdered by the Israeli Army.

        link to electronicintifada.net

      • Annie Robbins
        March 20, 2013, 5:57 pm

        thanks for the link light.

      • eljay
        March 20, 2013, 11:36 pm

        >> Maybe she was too emotional but now I understand where it’s coming from. She was with Tristan Andersen when he was murdered by the Israeli Army.

        That does put Ms. Silverman’s actions in a very different light. I’m embarrassed to have condemned Ms. Silverman so strongly, and I’m disgusted by Ms. Larson’s and Mr. Wencel’s hateful, memorial-defacing stunt.

      • seafoid
        March 20, 2013, 4:26 pm

        “Silverman, like many of her fellow “activists” unable or too lazy to construct and argue their case”

        Exactly,
        Susan. Which is why Gaza deserved Cast Lead. And why Palestinians will NEVER get a state.

        BTW I always thought “Am Israel chai” was a brand of masala tea.

      • kalithea
        March 20, 2013, 11:27 pm

        Get back to me when you’ve walked a mile in Silverman’s shoes. Free speech? Uh, I thought the Zionist was scrawling all over someone else’s free speech? In my book that’s an attempt at censorship, provocation and ignoramus insensitivity. Totally consistent with what Zionists do every day!

      • Woody Tanaka
        March 21, 2013, 10:34 am

        “Silverman, like many of her fellow “activists” unable or too lazy to construct and argue their case. At the same time she tries to deny others the right to free speech.”

        I’ll remember that the next time a neo-Nazi asks to address a Holocaust memorial.

      • susan1
        March 21, 2013, 6:10 pm

        Woody, are you truly unable to put together ANY argument without recourse to such tired rhetoric ? It certainly seems that way. I challenge you to post here for ,lets say an entire week, and see if you are capable of arguing without invoking the usual crude ” Israelis are Nazis ” non- argument. Don’t you realise you are trivialising history? Don’t you understand you are trivialising Nazism?, not to mention the Palestinian struggle.

      • Woody Tanaka
        March 21, 2013, 8:06 pm

        Susan, lassy, please stick your concern trolling into a haggis and stuff it. Your inability to comprehend a simple comparison to what your reaction would be if the tables were turned does not constitute a trivialization of anything on my part. It simply means you are unable to understand a simple argument.

      • Sumud
        March 21, 2013, 8:23 pm

        Woody, are you truly unable to put together ANY argument without recourse to such tired rhetoric ?

        susan1 ~ is this supposed to be comedy? This is coming from the person who said:

        Gabby Silverman’s actions show just how prone to hysteria anti Israel activists really are .

        You’re taking one person’s actions and making generalisations about all people who are opposed to Israeli apartheid? Very smart eh? Let’s make some generalisations about all jews based on the actions of say… Ariel Sharon – The Butcher of Beirut), Avraham Stern – jewish nazi collaborator wannabe, Baruch Goldstein – mass murderer. To make these generalisations would be obviously stupid, like your comment.

        On Hannah Larson, what kind of insensitive thug goes to a memorial for victims of Israeli apartheid and scrawls, what is in that context, clearly a statement of jewish supremacism? And what does it say about you, that you can’t see she did anything wrong?

      • susan1
        March 22, 2013, 1:01 am

        Woody, actually what I understand only too well is that it is YOUR comprehension which is sadly lacking, your convictions are simple-minded, not mine. To begin with you are unable to tell the difference between a World War, the biggest in history, which killed 60 million people, a war in which the great powers of the time competed for global hegemony, and the I/P conflict, essentially a local conflict between two small nationalities over territory. Drawing lazy, crude, ahistorical parallels between Nazism and Zionism, the latter being like any other nationalism, the former an ideology which wrought barbarism unparalleled in human history, only serves to mystify the Israel / Palestine conflict.

      • susan1
        March 22, 2013, 3:47 am

        I watched this video of the debacle between Silverman and Larson. What is very clear is that the incident took place in a PUBLIC space. Public/ Private space, the distinction between the two is crucial. What is more, the event taking place in Frank Ogawa Plaza looks much more like a protest than a memorial. If the intention was to memorialise Tristan Anderson , it didn’t strike me as being a terribly dignified event. On the contrary, in the video I saw people lounging around on the ground, behaving quite casually, actually sitting on the ground on top of messages chalked there by ISM “activists” . Similarly, I saw a man quite nonchalantly riding his bike over those same chalked on the ground messages. After Gabby Silverman has manhandled Hannah Larson, whilst continuing to mix it with Larson , Silverman also starts to brawl with at least two other people, including a woman who attempts ( unsuccessfully ) to restrain Silverman, a woman who actually appears to be an ISM steward. Again, its a question of Public versus Private space. If Gabby Silverman and the ISM decide to hold a such a protest about a contentious issue as I/P in a PUBLIC space, then why shouldn’t others have the right to reply? Why shouldn’t a public space be open to dialogue between those with opposing opinions? Hannah Larson claims that before she began chalking her message, she had attempted to engage some ISM activists in dialogue and conversation about the protest and the Israel/ Palestine issue. If that is the case, why didn’t the ISM activists engage Larson in debate? It seems very odd to me , that activists who profess to care so much about the Palestinians apparently couldn’t summon up the interest or energy to do so. Rather than manhandle Larson, Silverman should have been prepared to debate the issues with Larson. It speaks volumes about the lazy and high handed attitude ISM activists have towards others that they clearly believe they are above politics , above the necessity to DEBATE the issue. If Gabby Silverman and her ISM buddies had been intent on “Memorializing” Tristan Anderson they should have done so in PRIVATE.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 22, 2013, 11:43 am

        the latter being like any other nationalism

        actually there’s a very big difference between civic nationalism and ethnic nationalism

      • sardelapasti
        March 22, 2013, 8:58 pm

        “Nazism and Zionism, the latter being like any other nationalism, the former an ideology which wrought barbarism unparalleled in human history, only serves to mystify the Israel / Palestine conflict.”

        Well, the Nazis didn’t have the ovens yet in 1941.
        For all the rest, the Zionists are worse.

      • RoHa
        March 23, 2013, 12:41 am

        “Nazism and Zionism, the latter being like any other nationalism, the former an ideology which wrought barbarism unparalleled in human history,”

        Zionism seems very different from other nationalisms.

        Look at 19th Century Finnish nationalism.
        The Finns were a group with a common first language and shared customs and traditions.
        The vast majority of them inhabited a single, specific, coherent, territory in the Russian Empire. (The Grand Duchy of Finland)
        Finns made up the vast majority of the population of that territory, and had done for centuries.
        Finns wanted independence for that territory.

        Now compare the Finns with the Jews and Zionism.
        No common language. Varied customs and traditions.
        No single, specific, coherent, territory where the vast majority of them lived.
        No single, specific, coherent, territory where the vast majority of the population were Jews.
        The claim for independence was not for the territories where they had traditionally formed the majority, or a large part, of the population.

        Can you find a nationalism that is like Zionism?

        “an ideology which wrought barbarism unparalleled in human history”

        Zionism is an ideology that has wrought quite sufficient barbarism for it to be condemned as evil.

    • kma
      March 21, 2013, 8:06 pm

      big deal, so maybe the judge would make Silverman buy whatsername some new chalk and pay for her doctor bill.
      how is this conflated with rocketing people’s offspring in Sderot? NPR reported today that it is the second breaking of the cease-fire by Hamas! (then they said some other group claimed responsibility, huh?) if Israel doesn’t want a broken cease-fire, then they should stop killing and maiming and shooting at Palestinians. when will Israelis stop the REAL brutality? do parents of Sderot residents ever cringe at the shooting of a Palestinian during a cease-fire? I only see them gloating over it, just like they gloat over what they did to Tristan Anderson and Rachel Corrie (etc).

      p.s. get some PERSPECTIVE here, guys: we’re talking about starting another war with all the horror that entails at the behest of zionists, and the ONLY strategy they have for countering our RESISTANCE to ETHNIC CLEANSING IN OUR NAME is to try to pick fights at peaceful demonstrations. that’s all they have. don’t get sidetracked by it. buy the girl some chalk and keep your head up.

  9. American
    March 20, 2013, 11:13 am

    O.K…..how stupid is this.
    Declare the US undying, unshakable support for Israel to convince them not to strike Iran.
    Gawd!…..what this ‘unshakable support’ actually does is tell Isr they can bomb Iran and do anything else they fucking well please and not answer for it.

    • kalithea
      March 20, 2013, 1:34 pm

      Sorry to break it to you but Nobel “peace is war” Obama is also in Zio-apartheidland to discuss a possible joint strike on Iran for the end of summer.

      • Keith
        March 21, 2013, 12:05 am

        KALITHEA- There are some folks here who seem unaware that Iran has been in the imperial cross hairs ever since the Shah was overthrown. It throws a monkey wrench into their “the Lobby made us do it” narrative.

  10. Dan Crowther
    March 20, 2013, 11:38 am

    Remember that time when Phil Weiss thought Barry’s War Tour was gonna be Barry’s Defiant Peace Tour? Yeah, that was awesome.

    • kalithea
      March 20, 2013, 1:39 pm

      Heh…I remember a short time ago when many thought Obama was the second coming, but what they didn’t notice is that he came riding in on a donkey called AIPAC and guess who’s getting lucky?

    • seafoid
      March 20, 2013, 4:29 pm

      Dan

      I remember you saying Romney was going to win ;)
      Maybe it would have made no difference to the Iranians.

      • Dan Crowther
        March 20, 2013, 11:18 pm

        Romney didn’t win? WTF? haha.

        no, you’re right seafoid. in my defense, i really didn’t think O would get that turn out, i just couldn’t believe that many people would go back to vote for him, i thought romney would win in the aggregate…wrong? yes. naive? eh. Phil on the other hand…. :)

      • seafoid
        March 21, 2013, 10:08 am

        link to ft.com

        “The historian Anne Applebaum has observed that “when we are offered the choice between Mr Obama and Mr Romney, we are offered a choice between two sets of elites”. Mr Obama, in her view, represents the “post-WASP Ivy League” and Mr Romney the “financial oligarchy”. It would actually be more appropriate to describe these as two sides of the same Janus-faced elite. Mr Romney represents in its acquisitive stage the same elite that Mr Obama represents in its managerial stage. Ivy League universities, as Ms Applebaum hints, are the means whereby primitive accumulation is transformed into noblesse.”

        Whaddaya think ?

    • sardelapasti
      March 21, 2013, 2:16 am

      Well, at least the Zionism problem has contributed to establish once and for all that there is no difference in the so-called “two” parties which are one, Repucrat and Demolican. And of course that the Demolicans are way worse. What’s so sad is to see how they continue to have hope (sorry, I mean Hope, the one that makes you vote against reason and logic.)

  11. Ira Glunts
    March 20, 2013, 12:04 pm

    Does anyone have more information on this tweet above from Chemi Shalev?

    Channel 10: Obama to present Netanyahu with Iran timetable, including potential for military attack in September-October #obamainisrael

    It sounds like a dangerous concession from the Pres if true.

    Also, Alex Kane was on the tarmac with the press corp greeting Obama! Check out his attempts to interview Yair Lapid and Naftali Bennet. Keep at it Alex and thanks for the report.

    • Ira Glunts
      March 20, 2013, 12:18 pm

      Chemi Shalev ‏@ChemiShalev 5m
      Channel 10 repeats supposed Obama timetable on Iran: diplomacy and sanctions until September/October, then direct threats of military action

      Another tweet a couple of minutes ago on the Obama timetable. This one more threatening than last.

  12. seafoid
    March 20, 2013, 12:25 pm

    “Obama to present Netanyahu with Iran timetable, including potential for military attack in September-October #obamainisrael

    Followed by Obama: Peace must come to Holy land”
    WTF khaalis.

    Perhaps peace will come to the HL. But not in the way the bots imagine.

  13. seafoid
    March 20, 2013, 12:26 pm

    Those “I have a dream” pictures are powerful. The Bot soldiers and the dreamers.
    I wonder what Anne Frank would make of it all.

    • susan1
      March 24, 2013, 5:54 pm

      Actually, Seafoid, it is very unfortunate that you seek to appropriate and in the grubbiest way , exploit the personal tragedy of Anne Frank as yet another stick with which to beat Israel. One significant and rarely mentioned aspect of Anne Franks story are the considerable efforts made by Otto Frank, Anne’s father to secure safety for his family, beyond the clutches of the Nazis , beyond the dangers posed to Jews in Germany and in soon – to -be occupied Europe. As early as 1938 and in 1941 ,Otto Frank attempted to obtain visas for his family to emigrate to the United States or Cuba. Unfortunately, on both occasions visas to emigrate were rejected by the United States. Otto Frank was granted a single visa for himself to Cuba on 1st December 1941. However, ten days later when Nazi Germany and fascist Italy declared war the visa was cancelled by Havana. I found a marvellous and poignant article about this little known history in the online archives of the New York Times, the article is entitled ” In Old Files, Fading Hopes Of Anne Franks Family. ” by Patricia Cohen.

  14. seafoid
    March 20, 2013, 12:38 pm

    “It’s good to be in the land of Israel ”

    Not for those who are Jewish and poor . There are many victims of the god YESHA. not all of them Palestinian.

    link to haaretz.com

    “A child and his mother alone
    It was neither the welfare authorities nor the school that first saw the troubled 8-year-old Niv. Rather, it was a Magen David Adom paramedic who came a few days ago to take care of Niv after he cut himself accidently with a kitchen knife. The paramedic, Yonatan, was the one to discover how very alone and frightened this child was.
    Niv is the only child of a mother who is raising him utterly alone. A few months ago his mother was stricken with heart failure and had to be resuscitated. She is recuperating now at home, but she suffered neurological problems after the resuscitation and has not been able to function fully. Her sister, who is also a single mom, is the only person helping them. Niv and his mother are suffering terribly, physically and emotionally. Niv’s mother receives disability benefits from the National Insurance Institute, but because of bureaucratic complications, they haven’t been able to get nursing assistance, therapy or any help in the house.
    Niv, a captivating little boy, full of life, is for all intents and purposes growing up without either parent. Yonatan visits him, helps him with his homework, and tries as much as he can to help, but Niv needs closer attention, especially someone he can talk to, someone who will give him strength.
    Yonatan’s greatest fear, and ours too, is that when his mom’s sister can no longer be there for them, the welfare authorities will send him to boarding school or a foster family. That is what the law requires in Israel; that is the way the good of the child looks.
    The toolbox of the state’s welfare institutions has never contained what Niv needs so badly − someone to run with. As Niv and his mother are registered with the welfare authorities and recognized by the National Insurance Institute, they are eligible for a food carton on the holiday. You be the judge − how much can this help?
    In an old-age home − at 57
    If something good does not happen, and at the moment it does not seem likely it will, on April 3, Tali will be evicted from her small apartment in Tel Aviv and the only alternative she has is to move to an old-age home in Lod. While it’s true that these days life in a senior citizens’ home is not the Eskimo exile onto the ice that it once was, one can only imagine the emotional crisis it must be causing Tali to have to move there at age 57.
    It all started years ago when Tali, who is recognized as 100 percent psychologically disabled, moved in with her sister in part of a synagogue that had been converted into a small apartment, almost unfit for habitation. For a long time the Tel Aviv municipality claimed, and rightly so, that it owned the premises. It has now made a final determination that Tali must leave the apartment. An assistance association, Ahoti ‏(Sister for Women in Israel‏), which does wonderful work, has been turning the world upside down to help Tali. Attorney Shiran Melamdovsky has been doing everything possible, and the municipality is also trying to do everything, but everything, as it exists in the welfare authorities’ resources, is not enough.
    The proposal Tali got was to move to an old-age home in Lod, far from the doctors who are treating her, which will only worsen her psychological state. There is also an option for rent assistance from the Housing Ministry, but that is a long, exhausting process, which, considering the impending date of her eviction, will not help. So yes, Tali is eligible for a carton of food, and that will not help her either.”

    • MK_Ultra
      March 21, 2013, 3:40 pm

      Heavens to Betsy! You mean to tell me that with all the trillions of dollars/Euros that ISreal gets in welfare from the richest nations on Earth there is still poverty there? I’ll be…!

  15. kalithea
    March 20, 2013, 1:04 pm

    The supreme beneficiary of MLK’s “I have a dream” who was lifted up on the backs of slaves and benefited from their blood, sweat and tears slapping the back of the colonialist slave-owner and prancing shoulder to shoulder with the masters of Apartheid, Oppression and Deception!

    He should be forced to experience the misery and poverty of a refugee camp. Lock him up in the Gaza concentration camp and let him eat the rationed vittles, breathe in the sewage and drink the saline water. Then, hand him over to the Hebron settlers and let them have their way with him for a while. TRANSPORT THIS DISHONEST, UNGRATEFUL, PATHETIC WRETCH BACK IN TIME!

    Leader of the “free” world…(arrrgh!)

  16. seafoid
    March 20, 2013, 4:31 pm

    It’s good to be back in the Land of Israel before it all goes tits up

  17. seafoid
    March 20, 2013, 4:34 pm

    Arrival Ceremony

    POTUS emerged from AF1 at 12:30 to a formal arrival ceremony, with full ruffles and flourishes. Standing at the end of a long red carpet with Shimon Peres and Benjamin Netanyahu were $3 bn dollars in election funding and a donkey with a large member.

  18. HarryLaw
    March 20, 2013, 5:27 pm

    Jeffrey Goldberg reports ” In the weeks after the UN vote, Obama said privately and repeatedly, “Israel doesn’t know what its own best interests are.” With each new settlement announcement, in Obama’s view, Netanyahu is moving his country down a path toward near-total isolation”. Bloomberg here.. link to bloomberg.com. Whatever happened in the meantime.

  19. Keith
    March 20, 2013, 6:43 pm

    The top picture says it all: there is no daylight between these two hombres. And don’t they look friendly with their jackets off, looks like they could use some privacy! A couple of jackets off? Hmmm. Finally, have you ever seen so many blue ties in your life?

  20. Abdul-Rahman
    March 20, 2013, 9:19 pm

    Of course the AIPAC puppet Uncle Tom Obama spews the same tired refuted propaganda nonsense as that of his Zionist masters.

    REALITY, as opposed to Zionist MYTHOLOGY that the AIPAC stooge Obama is busy spewing right now:

    link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org

    Johns Hopkins University geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik “The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses”

    Elhaik: “Our findings support the Khazarian hypothesis”

    and also on Dr. Eran Elhaik’s genetic study

    link to google.com

    Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews

    (AFP) – Jan 16, 2013

  21. Accentitude
    March 21, 2013, 9:31 am

    Wow, those pictures on the tarmac at Ben Gurion are great! I’ve never seen so many war criminals in one place! Hey, there’s Peres the criminal who hides his past criminal behaviour by founding the so-called “Peres Peace Center” and hopes that no one is going to notice! He’s also the most insignificant leader of the Israeli government. yay! Oh and there’s good ol’ Bibi…who’s relationship with the President Obama is ironclad except when he’s meddling in the US presidential elections, promising peace and 2 states to US leaders while arresting kids in Hebron and swearing that his new government will expand and build settlements in “Judea and Samaria” (where the hell is that??). Ah..and I’m glad to see that Mikey Oren could make it too! Mr. “Christian Arabs enjoy more freedoms in Israel than they do anywhere else in the world” and the newly elected Israeli Defense Minister…Moshe Dayan the wanted war criminal whose afraid to fly overseas because he might end up at the ICC…we in the West Bank and Gaza will get to know him reeeaallly good soon enough when he rolls up his sleeves and takes over Ehud Barak’s duties at Civil Administration. Administrative Detentions all the way around! Yay!!

    Oh and who could forget the guest of honor, Barak Obama, who’s used drones to kill half of the 3rd world populations of the world. He might be black but his hands are blood red! Wait, what did he get that Nobel Peace Prize for, again? Oh that’s right….NOTHING.

  22. Blake
    March 22, 2013, 10:42 am

    I cannot believe Obama is oblivious to what is going on.

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