A note from Roger Waters to Abe Foxman

Israel/Palestine
on 63 Comments

Dear Mr. Foxman,

Thank you for your letter.  I will try to address the points you make, in the order that you make them. With the general proviso though, that I am wary of, and wearied by any form of slanging match.

Anti Semitism:

I think I note a change in A.D.L.’s position on my work, but it is not clear. Are you accusing me or my work of anti-Semitism or not? For the record I am not anti-semitic, neither is my theatrical piece The Wall and nor are any of the props, puppets or projections in that work.

You are right in saying that I have attacked The Israeli Governments’ policies in Gaza, the West Bank, and in Israel itself. You are wrong in your conclusion that my criticism of the policies of the Government of Israel requires the A.D.L. to “reexamine your attitude towards Jews”.

I have no attitude towards Jews. I do not group or categorise human beings in that way. I know many people who are Jewish, I have many very close friends who are Jewish, my two Grandsons are Jewish. I also have many friends who are not Jewish, who are Christian, Moslem, Buddhist, Agnostic, whatever, they are my friends, and I love them, their faith or lack of it is irrelevant to me.

I do however have an antipathy to racism and bigotry, I have no time for racists or bigots whatever their religion or their race or their politics or the color of their skin.

You speak of the omission of “important details” from my letter, if I may, to provide context I will quote you here:

“Important details are omitted from your letter, which is a classic propaganda technique.  Why didn’t you point out that one of the stated objectives of the BDS movement, promoting a complete right of return for all Palestinians classified as refugees and the creation of a bi-national state, would result in the end of the Jewish character of the State of Israel and destroy Jewish national self-determination? Your writing also makes no mention of Palestinian terrorism, nor does it provide any context to the complex nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Hamas, a terrorist organization which continues to advocate for Israel’s destruction, is entirely absent from your letter.”

 

You accuse the Israeli government of committing ethnic cleansing by physically evicting non-Jewish families from East Jerusalem to make way for Jewish occupants, yet provide zero evidence for this frivolous claim. You argue that Israel is akin to Apartheid South Africa, despite the complete and equal rights enjoyed by Arab citizens of Israel.

Your point about the right of Palestinian refugees to return is well taken, it is, as you say central to the B.D.S. position. The refugee’s right to return is enshrined in Article 13 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and The Fourth Geneva Convention and in UN resolution 194. This fundamental human right is a founding stone upon which the possibility of a civilized future for mankind rests. You are wrong, however in your assertion that B.D.S. requires a single bi-national State. The B.D.S. movement is open to a two State solution, the whole point of B.D.S. is to encourage any peaceful solution that guarantees equal rights to all the people regardless of race or religion. Is your position that the refugees should not be allowed to return? Should the refugees remain refugees forever? How would you feel if the boot was on the other foot? You are in a better position than most to understand the enormity of The Nakbah having been through a diaspora of your own.

Turning now to Hamas; Hamas does not “continue to advocate Israel’s destruction”. The charter you quote is out of date.

On December 1st 2010 Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh stated, “ We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees” In February 2012 Hamas forswore the use of violence.

I wish my claims as to the ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem were “frivolous”, sadly they are anything but, I direct you to two pieces of corroborative evidence, 1) Roadmap to Apartheid 2012 a documentary film by Ana Nogueira a white South African and Eron Davidson a Jewish Israeli. And, 2) Extreme Rambling, Walking Israel’s Separation Barrier. For Fun. 2011 by Englishman, Mark Thomas.

Moving on, again for clarity’s sake I quote your text:

“Most disturbing of all is your decision to single out Israel for a boycott, while ignoring real human rights abusing countries around the world.”

Your question about singling out Israel for a cultural boycott is an interesting one. I equally deplored the occupation of East Timor or The Western Sahara, but one cannot take up cudgels for every just cause, if one tried to one would be spread too thin, so to speak. Also B.D.S. had already started in Palestine, so I joined an existing movement of people who were organized and proposing a non violent method of resistance to the occupation and inequality of Palestinian Israeli citizens civil rights.

Having said that, I do also support organizations like Amnesty International and Human Rights watch which try to focus on all human rights violations and abuses where ever they may occur. I haven’t been everywhere, so there’s a lot of bad stuff going on that I haven’t seen with my own eyes. I do absolutely agree with you that I should speak out as often as possible against all abuses of human rights. As a matter of fact everywhere we perform “The Wall,” I speak in the local language and dedicate the Wall Concert to All The Victims of State Terrorism All over The World.

Finally, I notice you couldn’t resist the little anti-semitic dig at the end of your letter.

“Mr. Waters, having many Jewish friends and relatives does not give legitimacy to your hostile campaign against the Jewish State, and while painting a Star of David on your pig may have been free of anti-Semitic intent, your strong animosity towards Israel is indeed riddled with it.”

Just to reiterate my position, I am anti-war, anti-apartheid, anti-racist, pro human rights, pro peace and pro self-determination for all peoples. I am not anti-Israel or anti-semitic.

I am also passionately pro dialogue and thank you for taking the time and trouble to share your thoughts with me in this open letter. You speak of a Two State Solution, and although I know you don’t represent the Israeli Government, you do represent a point of view, and I should be most  interested to hear what you think such a solution would look like, both geographically and demographically. Where would you think it just and equitable to put the borders between two such states, and who would live where? Given the continuing policies of occupation, colonization and settlement building in the West Bank and the siege of Gaza, it is very difficult for any neutral observer to imagine that the Israeli Government is serious in moving towards an equitable two state solution.

However, It maybe that there is a glimmer of light this week. We are assured by John Kerry, Secretary of State for Barack Obama that peace talks are taking place in Jerusalem. These are secret talks so we don’t know who is having them or on behalf of whom, but, should those talks bare fruit and a just and equitable peace break out, then it will be time to tear down the walls and picket lines, end the boycotts, clamber disheveled over the barricades and join the people in the streets.

I will be there with every musician I can muster.

Yours sincerely,

Roger Waters
Budapest, Hungary

PS – “Teacher leave those kids alone

63 Responses

  1. Joe Catron
    August 29, 2013, 1:47 pm

    “In February 2012 Hamas forswore the use of violence.”

    Excuse me?

  2. seanmcbride
    August 29, 2013, 1:53 pm

    It turns out that one of the greatest musical artists of the last half century is also a formidable writer and thinker. Abraham Foxman picked the wrong person to engage in a debate about Israel — in the future he should seek out softer targets for his habitual accusations and insinuations of antisemitism. Waters can bite back.

    This is a classic standoff: a creative universalist vs. a dogmatic ethnic nationalist. It’s not really a fair fight — the outcome has been decided before the debate even begins.

    • Kathleen
      August 29, 2013, 2:42 pm

      Indeed

    • Krauss
      August 30, 2013, 2:09 am

      Foxman’s main argument is so obvious:

      If you don’t support Jewish supremacism then you are a racist.

      Uhm, actually, if you don’t support Jewish supremacism, then you’re an anti-racist.
      Someone should question Foxman why he always defends Israel’s occupation policies. He even refused to denounce Ariel as a settlement. He’s been defending some of the most racist laws passed.

      Why is a Jewish supremacist like Foxman given a clean pass?

      • yrn
        August 30, 2013, 3:06 am

        if you don’t support Jewish supremacism, then you’re an anti-racist.
        But if you don’t support blacks you are still and Anti Racist……
        That’s how you get a clean pass here

      • seafoid
        August 30, 2013, 10:27 am

        His argument is “we are Jewish and we can do whatever the hell we like and anyone who disagrees is a Jew hater” .

      • seanmcbride
        August 30, 2013, 11:51 am

        Krauss,

        Foxman, and many Jewish Zionists like him, have been heavily indoctrinated into an ideology that grants a special and divine status to their ethnocentrism and ethnic nationalism — and which often denigrates or even demonizes the ethnocentrism and ethnic nationalism of cult outsiders. That psychological and cultural programming explains their peculiar attitudes and behavior.

        Breaking through conditioning and programming of that intensity with reason and facts is a hopeless task — you might just as well bang your head against a stone wall.

        Roger Waters and Abraham Foxman live in two entirely different mental universes — as do most people around the world vs. most Jewish Zionists. That is why the “arguments” that go round and round on Mondoweiss never get anywhere — there is a profound irrationality lying at the core beliefs of one side — they can’t be budged without them losing their tenuous grip on the world.

        Roger Waters is an Enlightenment mind par excellence — open-minded and open-spirited — unbound by primitive superstitions and biblical fairy tales. That is why he has been able to create such a great body of music that will live for centuries.

      • hophmi
        September 1, 2013, 6:09 pm

        “Roger Waters is an Enlightenment mind par excellence”

        And I am Mickey Mouse. He’s a rockstar. Not a great mind.

        “profound irrationality lying at the core beliefs of one side ”

        I agree; it’s profoundly irrational to deny Jews their right to self-determination in a world with five dozen Christian states and five dozen Muslim states. But antisemitism always had a profound irrationality about it.

        ” they can’t be budged without them losing their tenuous grip on the world.”

        Also true. One may bear witness to the sheer amount of abuse on this site doled out to anyone who dissents from the main POV here, including Sean McBride.

  3. James Canning
    August 29, 2013, 2:02 pm

    Bravo. Hamas and Hezbollah have made it clear, at least in my view, that they accept the 2002 Saudi peace plan (accepting Israel within “1967” borders). Even Iran has indicated this is acceptable to Iran if it is acceptable to the Palestinians.

  4. seafoid
    August 29, 2013, 2:06 pm

    Foxman is a classic bully. He works by intimidation and he can’t handle arguments that are better than his.

  5. James Canning
    August 29, 2013, 2:13 pm

    Classic bully. And proud of it.

  6. Les
    August 29, 2013, 2:17 pm

    If Foxman is truly opposed to bigotry, why does he not object to the 24/7 portrayal by the big US print and broadcast media of Palestinians, not just as opponents of Israel’s ethnic cleansing, but as a dark and swarthy people sure to be appreciated by America’s white racists, only some of whom are Jews.

  7. Chu
    August 29, 2013, 2:23 pm

    I’ve seen Waters perform a few times. Last in Hollywood, he had a great big flying pig,
    right around the Iraqi Freedom(!) mission. And since he’s British, you have to wonder if a group here in the US could have the same impact, given the music industry is very similar to Hollywood – sort of shut up, do your performance and get paid. Love it or leave it, USA style.

  8. Kathleen
    August 29, 2013, 2:41 pm

    Go on over to a note from Roger. A bit of a discussion going on. A Simon Parker repeating the Hasbara Files

    On Facebook

  9. Eva Smagacz
    August 29, 2013, 2:44 pm

    Taking smears head on!
    Should refugees be refugees forever?
    Superb!

  10. yrn
    August 29, 2013, 2:51 pm

    A Jewish group in the German city of Duesseldorf is urging a boycott of an upcoming concert by former Pink Floyd band member Roger Waters for using an inflatable pig featuring a Star of David during his show.

    He will end up like Gilad Atzmon.

    • amigo
      August 29, 2013, 4:20 pm

      “A Jewish group in the German city of Duesseldorf is urging a boycott of an upcoming concert by former Pink Floyd band member Roger Waters for using an inflatable pig featuring a Star of David during his show.”y-arn

      More zionist whiners.Best of luck mutthead.

      • K Renner
        September 1, 2013, 5:15 pm

        The “best” part of this is that they always mess their pants over perceived anti Semitism (when Roger Waters says he’s not anti-jew and nothing he does “proves” that he’s anti-jew, that clears him of any allegations of “anti Semitism”) and try and create some big stink over it– and then these same groups will make blatant, shameful excuses for the actions of the Israeli “army” in Gaza or West Bank, all the while lying about the situation on the ground incessantly– “Palestinians all hate jews for being jews! The Israelis are the only ones in favour of peace!”

        Absolutely pathetic and absolutely enraging, at the same time.

    • Talkback
      August 29, 2013, 4:30 pm

      yrn says: “A Jewish group in the German city of Duesseldorf …”

      The Jewish community of Duesseldorf.

      “He will end up like Gilad Atzmon.”

      Sure. LOL.

    • just
      August 29, 2013, 4:38 pm

      LOL. Good luck with that………..

      rotflmao! Atzmon is doing ok.

      Waters is as well– in fact, his ‘star’ continues its ascent.

      • Kathleen
        August 29, 2013, 6:57 pm

        Atzmon generalizes a great deal. Spent an evening with him and a group of activist. Like him…smart funny, kind. Rogers is far more fine tuned in his choice of words and facts. Although Atzmon has had a close up view. Having been in the IDF

    • ErsatzYisrael
      August 29, 2013, 4:56 pm

      yrn says:
      August 29, 2013 at 2:51 pm

      “He will end up like Gilad Atzmon.”

      You, on the other hand, will end up with nothing. Nothing at all.

    • tree
      August 29, 2013, 7:11 pm

      Obviously they don’t know about the history of Roger Waters and flying pigs. He’s been floating pigs at his show since he was a member of Pink Floyd, starting back in 1977. Here’s a couple of images:

      http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2008/04/30/pig460.jpg

      http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AxTncIXSpD0/TrQkfI1B1WI/AAAAAAAAAMg/9Jap6ShQNLY/s1600/63851_1630292479801_1311294766_1723571_1642973_n.jpg

      On one there is an obvious US emblem, with the Uncle Sam figure. Another has the Soviet Union symbols on it. Since the Star of David has been appropriated by the government of Israel, there’s no reason why putting its symbols on a pig is any different than putting US or Russian symbols on a similar pig. If you object to the misuse of a religious symbol, then take it up with the Israeli government.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflatable_pigs_on_Roger_Waters'_tours

      • tree
        August 29, 2013, 7:20 pm

        The pig launched into the Belgium arena depicted the Star of David juxtaposed with symbols of organizations and regimes from around the world.
        …..
        Waters — a seven-year supporter of the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS), a non-violent movement that opposes Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and fights for Palestinian human rights — defended the pig in an open letter on his Facebook page.

        “Like it or not, the Star of David represents Israel and its policies and is legitimately subject to any and all forms of non violent protest,” Waters wrote. “To peacefully protest against Israel’s racist domestic and foreign policies is NOT ANTI-SEMITIC.”

        Waters also noted that this particular pig has appeared at approximately 193 shows since 2010, and the concertgoer Asif’s complaint is “the first.”

        http://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Model-Bar-Refaeli-Demands-Roger-Waters-Stop-Using-4757211.php

        I wouldn’t be surprised if the protest was encouraged by the Israeli government as an attempt to stifle the growing BDS movement.

    • Cliff
      August 29, 2013, 8:20 pm

      get a life yrn, you are such a corny loser

      • hophmi
        August 30, 2013, 10:53 am

        “get a life yrn, you are such a corny loser”

        But this, you put through.

    • Amar
      August 30, 2013, 2:13 am

      Typical Zio deception and muddling of info. Yes his concert features an inflatable pig, and separately, in another segment of the show, a star of david. But it is accompanied by a muslim crescent, a christian cross and symbols of capitalism (Shell oil, mercedes, etc) all dropping as bombs on humanity and with images of suffering of all races, peoples, incl that of Israelis and Arabs.

      Tsk, tsk… zio disnfo can fool some of the people some of the time, but sooner or later the shoe gets a ‘proper fit’, in the mouth.

  11. Justpassingby
    August 29, 2013, 4:05 pm

    He could have gone harder and adressing antisemitism is not necesseary anyone knows Rogers arent so why spend time on the slander by abe?

    • ziusudra
      August 31, 2013, 6:48 am

      Greetings Justpassingby,
      How can I convince any zio that I’m not anti-Israel, Judaism, Jew, but simply
      anti nazi zio ideology & their Governments since 1948?!
      The Zios are just not interested.
      ziusudra

  12. hophmi
    August 29, 2013, 4:17 pm

    “The B.D.S. movement is open to a two State solution, the whole point of B.D.S. is to encourage any peaceful solution that guarantees equal rights to all the people regardless of race or religion. ”

    Well, that’s nice. If only it were actually true.

    “The charter you quote is out of date.”

    If only THAT were true.

    “On December 1st 2010 Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh stated, “ We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees” ”

    Oh, well, that settles it. In 2008, Bibi Netanyahu said he was open to negotiation. Is Roger Waters prepared to quote him in a letter?

    “I am also passionately pro dialogue”

    Not if you belong to the BDS, you aren’t.

    “You speak of a Two State Solution, and although I know you don’t represent the Israeli Government, you do represent a point of view, and I should be most interested to hear what you think such a solution would look like, both geographically and demographically. ”

    See http://www.ispeacepossible.com

    “These are secret talks so we don’t know who is having them or on behalf of whom, but, should those talks bare fruit and a just and equitable peace break out, then it will be time to tear down the walls and picket lines, end the boycotts, clamber disheveled over the barricades and join the people in the streets.”

    It’s a shame we can’t get such a declaration from the BDS movement.

    • Cliff
      August 29, 2013, 8:09 pm

      LOL

      translating hoppy’s irrelevant nonsense:

      blah blah blah blah antisemite blah blah holocaust blah blah peace blah blah bds bad

      —-

      Peace is not possible. Some website telling you so doesn’t change the facts on the ground and Jewish colonialism.

      But keep blaming Palestinian slaves under the boot of Jewish nationalism you hopeless indoctrinated incompetent.

      • hophmi
        August 30, 2013, 10:54 am

        “Peace is not possible.”

        Did you look at the website? Waters wanted to know detail. That site gives details.

        But I know you’re not interested Cliff. You’ve established that many times.

    • john_manyjars
      August 30, 2013, 7:41 am

      hophmi says:
      August 29, 2013 at 4:17 pm
      “The B.D.S. movement is open to a two State solution, the whole point of B.D.S. is to encourage any peaceful solution that guarantees equal rights to all the people regardless of race or religion. ”

      Well, that’s nice. If only it were actually true.

      -ZZZZZZZ

      In other words, you have NOTHING to refute Waters’ arguments.

      • hophmi
        August 30, 2013, 10:56 am

        “In other words, you have NOTHING to refute Waters’ arguments.”

        I’m not aware that Waters made any arguments. I do see a lot of naivete. And the idea that the BDS movement is open to two states is at best misleading, and at worst, a complete lie.

        Waters says he wants dialogue. The BDS movement is about avoiding that dialogue.

    • Talkback
      August 30, 2013, 8:38 am

      hophmi says: “”The charter you quote is out of date.”

      If only THAT were true. ”

      Who besides the Hasbara clowns refers to this charta?

      • hophmi
        September 1, 2013, 6:04 pm

        Everybody who sees Hamas as they are rather than as they want them to be. I don’t think everybody who belongs to Hamas is bad. But if you think that the fact that the organization has a charter that could have been written by the Nazis doesn’t matter, you’re a naive idiot.

    • Dutch
      August 30, 2013, 4:06 pm

      @ Hophmi

      Anything wrong with the BDS Movement?

    • K Renner
      September 1, 2013, 5:26 pm

      Same old garbage from same old Hophmi.

      I’m glad I didn’t miss anything in your case– it is funny that you try and present Israel–falsely– as the only “rational”/pro-peace actor, when cruel reality has proven time and time again that Israel consistently acts in an irrational and detrimental way in regard to achieving anything in the way of lasting peace.

      Your friends can’t even stop building “settlements”– and constantly comes the nauseating hypocritical “we are the innocent victims” anti-Palestinian whinging.

  13. Danny_123
    August 29, 2013, 4:19 pm

    Roger Waters was a profound musical poet in the 70’s. Today he uses his skills to speak for those who would be silenced by the likes of Foxman and his defamation league. Foxman is so out of his element, that I doubt he even realizes it.

  14. LanceThruster
    August 29, 2013, 4:29 pm

    Masterful!

    Kicking around on a piece of ground
    In your home town
    Waiting for someone or something
    To show you the way

  15. Citizen
    August 29, 2013, 5:51 pm

    Here’s a typical boilerplate response to Waters by an Australian who moved to Israel:
    http://www.israellycool.com/2013/08/28/roger-waters-responds-to-adls-abe-foxman/

    He says Waters “protests too much” a la Shakespeare’s script. His evidence is that HAMAS has not changed its charter language, no matter what its reps say now.

  16. Citizen
    August 29, 2013, 5:57 pm

    Folks have been wondering when Abe Foxman will retire since at least 2007–he’s really embarrassing to many Jewish people in his demonstrated bias: http://www.muzzlewatch.com/page/5/?s=semites

    • RoHa
      August 29, 2013, 10:00 pm

      If he retired he could set up a school to give whining lessons.

  17. Scott
    August 29, 2013, 8:25 pm

    Roger is history’s greatest NGLA member.

  18. ErsatzYisrael
    August 29, 2013, 9:31 pm

    hophmi says:
    August 29, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    “Oh, well, that settles it. In 2008, Bibi Netanyahu said he was open to negotiation. Is Roger Waters prepared to quote him in a letter?”

    You must still believe in the tooth fairy.

  19. DICKERSON3870
    August 29, 2013, 10:12 pm

    RE: “You [the ADL] are right in saying that I have attacked The Israeli Governments’ policies in Gaza, the West Bank, and in Israel itself.” ~ Roger Waters to the ADL

    MY COMMENT: Unfortunately, attacking “The Israeli Governments’ policies in Gaza, the West Bank, and in Israel itself” is all that is required for the ADL* (and/or AIPAC*) to smear/defame a person as an anti-Semite!

    * SEE – “The AIPAC Politics of Smear: The Secret Section in Israel’s U.S. Lobby That Stifles American Debate”, By Gregory D. Slabodkin, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 1992, pages 7-8, 89-91

    [EXCERPTS] During the reign of terror that Senator Joseph McCarthy unleashed in the 1950s, when the reputations and lives of many loyal Americans were ruined by false charges of “communism” and “treason,” American Jewry was overwhelmingly opposed to the Wisconsin senator and his blackmail by blacklists. According to the Gallup polls of the time, the percentage of U.S. Jews who opposed McCarthy’s smear tactics was twice that of the rest of the population. Many Jewish organizations passed resolutions condemning McCarthy’s ruthless character assassination.
    Today, however, such national Jewish organizations as the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith (ADL) and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) are using the same tactics to stifle open debate of U.S. policy in the Middle East.

    • Secretly Circulated Lists
    To conduct this “neo-McCarthyism,” AIPAC operates a covert section within its research department that monitors and keeps files on politicians, journalists, academics, Arab-American activists, Jewish liberals, and others it labels “anti-Israel.” AIPAC selects information from these files and secretly circulates lists of the “guilty,” together with their alleged political misdeeds, buttressed by their statements, often totally out of context.
    Just as McCarthy’s permanent investigations subcommittee labeled criticism of specific policies of the U.S. government as “anti-American,” or “pro-Soviet,” AIPAC labels criticism of Israeli government policies “anti-Israel,” “pro-Arab” or “pro-PLO.” Still worse is the pro-Israel lobby’s redefinition of “anti-Semitism” to include any such criticism of Israel or its actions. . .
    . . . AIPAC’s “opposition research” department traces its roots to I.L. (Sy) Kenen, who founded AIPAC in 1954. As editor of AIPAC’s weekly Near East Report, he often attacked critics of Israel in his aptly titled column, “The Monitor.” Besides monitoring, analyzing, and responding to “anti-Israel” comment and activities in the United States, Kenen also kept files on AIPAC’s “enemies.” In his final year AIPAC began to expand its intelligence-gathering operations.
    Kenen’s memoirs, “Israel’s Defense Line: Her Friends and Foes in Washington”, record how AIPAC pooled resources in 1974 with the American Jewish Committee and other national Jewish organizations to create a “truth squad.” Its purpose was to combat “pro-Arab propaganda” and the emerging “Arab lobby,” which Kenen believed to be a growing threat to the U.S.-Israel relationship.
    “While vigorously defending Israel’s perceived interests, the organizations that created the truth squad turned into a kind of Jewish thought police,” journalist Robert I. Friedman explains. “Investigators—sometimes overzealous Jewish college students, sometimes sources with access to U.S. intelligence agencies—were used to ferret out critics of Israel, Jew or gentile, wherever they might be. At ADL and AIPAC, files were opened on journalists, politicians, scholars and community activists. Their speeches and writings were monitored, as were, in some cases, their other professional activities. And they were often smeared with charges of anti-Semitism or with the pernicious label of self-hating Jew. The intention was to stifle debate on the Middle East within the Jewish community, the media and academia, for fear that criticism of any kind would weaken the Jewish state.”
    When Kenen stepped down as executive director of AIPAC in December 1974, the task of monitoring Israel’s “enemies” was left to the department of research and information at AIPAC, where it has remained ever since. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.wrmea.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10030:the-secret-section-in-israels-us-lobby-that-stifles-american-debate&catid=141

  20. American
    August 30, 2013, 12:48 am

    The NSA is anti semitic! It spied on Israel. Booga,booga.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/post-911-us-spied-on-israel-as-a-priority-target/

    Post 9/11, US spied on Israel as a priority target’

    Newly revealed information published by the Washington Post via whistle-blower Edward Snowden outlines US intelligence efforts
    By Gavriel Fiske and AP

  21. john_manyjars
    August 30, 2013, 7:40 am

    Excellent, cogent response to the hysterical feces-slinging of the Zio-hack and mouthpiece, Foxman.

  22. HemiFaulk
    August 30, 2013, 10:12 am

    I’ll Roger that, no Captain’s Daughter for me,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Captain's_Daughter

    though I did feel the whip of a lash recently, apparently due to some writings of mine that some wealthy people failed to see the accuracy thereof, or perhaps they felt the whip of a lash however subtle it was meant to be. I know nothing of Pugachev’s Rebellion or the Cossack’s Rebellion, yet I have read some Pushkin, though not in the native tongue.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugachev%27s_Rebellion

  23. irishmoses
    August 30, 2013, 1:01 pm

    Nobody has mentioned the video clip at the bottom of Roger Waters’ letter:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8X3Uf-Do3Y

    THIS IS A MUST SEE VIDEO! It was done by an Israeli and is centered around a trip to Auschwitz by a group of Israeli high schoolers. But it ranges far afield as he interviews Jews in Israel, Jews in the US, Abe Foxman, Norman Finkelstein, John Meirsheimer, to name only a few. It is powerful, moving, and often hilarious. It is long, an hour an a half, but well worth it. I was short of time so I jumped around a bit and skimmed through much of it. I’m going to sit down and watch it in its entirety tonight.

    THIS IS A MUST SEE VIDEO. It is hilarious that Waters embedded it in his letter to Foxman as Foxman is probably the main person interviewed throughout the film. I actually think it would be deserving of a separate MW thread. It is very thought-provoking as it deals with two major issues, anti-Semitism and the Holocaust and how Israel, Jews in the US use and often manipulate these issues. It ends at sunset in Auschwitz looking through the barb wire. The director’s final refrain is he thinks all the emphasis on the past, as horrific as it has been, is holding Jews back and that they need to think more about the present and the future.

    • Ellen
      August 30, 2013, 1:43 pm

      It is a must see. And what is heartbreaking in a big way is how Israeli children are taught that “everyone hates them.” Talk about mind control! Those are Stockholm Syndrome methods. Abusive methods of Psychological control.

      A few years ago there was a young man outside a train station here looking for directions. We helped him out and while waiting for the bus, asked him where he was from. He was a friendly and pleasant traveler, but then went quiet and hesitated. He said. “I come from where everyone hates us.”

      Whoaaaa. what a bizzare thing to say, I thought. I said well, we don’t “hate” and surely not someone for the passport in their pocket. Then he said he was from Israel. After a welcome to this kind young man, I felt sorry for all that mental baggage imposed on him and his silly fear of his nationality. I wondered what kind of programing he is getting at home.

      That movie by an Israeli explains it.

      • hophmi
        August 30, 2013, 1:58 pm

        “It is a must see. And what is heartbreaking in a big way is how Israeli children are taught that “everyone hates them.” Talk about mind control! Those are Stockholm Syndrome methods. Abusive methods of Psychological control.”

        Uh-huh. I can’t think of any historical reason why Jews might feel that way. I mean, the region is so friendly to Jews. Which country is it with the biggest international business profile? Oh yes, it’s Israel. Guess the mind control isn’t working so well. Which are the countries that spend their time crying about how American hates them? Oh yes, just about everywhere else.

      • seafoid
        August 30, 2013, 4:44 pm

        I just watched it. I love Finkelstein’s term “pathological narcissism ” to describe what drives the ADL.

        But overall it’s a very sad film. Zionism needs so many people who don’t think while Netanyahu drives the bus toward the cliff.

      • andrew r
        August 30, 2013, 9:31 pm

        I find it bizarre that Israeli children are hammered with the kind of messages depicted in the film when Israelis commonly travel to Germany, and 100,000 Israelis have a German passport.

        http://www.jta.org/2011/07/05/news-opinion/world/israeli-expats-flocking-to-berlin-for-the-culture-and-the-passport

    • Woody Tanaka
      August 30, 2013, 2:01 pm

      Yes, see it in its entirety. Excellent film.

    • Dutch
      August 30, 2013, 4:09 pm

      Thanks for the alert. I overlooked the link.

    • Bumblebye
      August 30, 2013, 5:02 pm

      Bah! Kuss-words! It’s blocked in Blighty!

      • irishmoses
        August 30, 2013, 5:50 pm

        Not sure if this will help, but here’s the direct URL:

    • Chu
      August 30, 2013, 5:09 pm

      http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/i-saw-a-great-movie-tonight-the-documentary-defamation-by-yoav-tk-an-israeli-filmmaker-its-about-the-consecration-of-a.html

      Yoav Shamir’s great film, ‘Defamation’, offers a devastating and transcendent portrait of Foxman

  24. JustJessetr
    August 31, 2013, 9:01 am

    “Turning now to Hamas; Hamas does not “continue to advocate Israel’s destruction”. The charter you quote is out of date.

    On December 1st 2010 Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh stated, “ We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees” In February 2012 Hamas forswore the use of violence.”

    What the hell does that have to do with the charter itself? The charter hasn’t been changed at all. That’s like saying Obama saying, “The US no longer tolerates handguns or machine guns.” But it’s still perfectly legal according to the Constitution. And without wasting my morning hunting down hyperlinks, I’m not convinced Hamas has forsworn the use of violence, much less the threat of violence.

    And if BDS is OK with a 2SS, then this is the first I’ve ever heard about it. Especially here on Mondoweiss.

  25. JustJessetr
    August 31, 2013, 9:10 am

    What’s the source of this letter? Where was it first published?

  26. just
    August 31, 2013, 6:40 pm

    Oh boy, this article in Haaretz is a beaut!

    “Waters, the 69-year-old co-founder of the classic rock group Pink Floyd, has been widely criticized for his anti-Israel activities. At a concert in Brussels in July, Waters floated a giant pig balloon emblazoned with a Star of David, among other symbols. Waters has also called on musicians to boycott Israel over its treatment of the Palestinians.

    The Simon Wiesenthal Center’s Rabbi Abraham Cooper called Waters “an open hater of Jews.” And the Anti-Defamation League’s Abraham Foxman, in an open letter to Waters earlier this month, said his “views on Israel are in fact colored by offensive and dangerous undercurrents of anti-Jewish sentiment.” ”

    (and)

    “Spreading the word about the Dusseldorf protest via e-mail, Frankfurt-based pro-Israel activist Sacha Stawski praised the community for taking a stand and suggested that Berlin Jews do the same, particularly given the venue. Waters is slated to play the huge Olympic stadium, which “is particularly reminiscent of the Third Reich party rallies.”

    “One hopes,” Stawski wrote, “that there would be protests coming from Berlin, too, and maybe even charges filed [against Waters] for incitement of hate, because that’s exactly what’s going on here.” ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.544546

    I guess the psychopathy is comfortably real for some– carefully cultivated.

  27. German Lefty
    September 1, 2013, 9:24 am

    TheRealNews:
    Free Speech Violations and Re-Education Programs at Florida University

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