‘AIPAC must be kept for consensus issues only’: Israeli diplomat slams Israel lobby for engaging on Syria

Interesting tidbit from Ben Caspit in Al Monitor. He quotes a “long-standing diplomatic source” described as “an expert regarding the entire historical background of Israeli-US relations” who is extremely critical of AIPAC’s decision to push for a U.S. strike on Syria:

“It is not wise, it is not correct, it is excessive,” said the diplomatic source, “Israel is too often viewed as a country that drags the United States into conflicts and wars. Such a modus operandi should only be employed when we have no choice, and only with regards to a strategic issue that is vital to the very existence of Israel. The fate of the Syrian regime is no such issue.” He added, “No one really knows whether life in the Middle East after Assad will be better than before, whether the border in the Golan Heights will remain as quiet as before, and what will be the fate of the axis of evil. The conflict in Syria is a war between Hezbollah and al-Qaeda, between Sunni extremists and Shiites, between very evil and more evil. Thus it is not really clear who are the good guys there, relatively speaking.

“Israel’s image has already been tarnished and harmed by AIPAC’s deep involvement in convincing the American administration to invade Iraq, a pointless invasion that caused strategic damage to the entire world. AIPAC must be kept for consensus issues only. As it is, Israel is the object of much criticism, also among liberal American Jews. Nothing would happen if, in this case, we would sit for a moment on the sidelines and allow the Americans to argue privately about the fate of their soldiers. This would only give AIPAC more power the next time that it really has to go to battle. The ‘next time’ — I’m referring to a possible assault on nuclear facilities in Iran — will be really important, fateful and decisive. It is inappropriate that every time the Americans have doubts about adopting a military course of action or not, Israel should come running and goad them on. This causes greater damage than the possibility that America would occasionally agree not to take action.”

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  1. quercus says:

    Well, I’m afraid Mr. Caspit turned me off as soon as he started with the “axis of evil” rhetorical flourish. I have had quite enough of that silliness. As far as Hezbollah is concerned, perhaps if Israel behaved as a better neighbor, they wouldn’t need to worry about Hezbollah.

    As an aside, I heard Rep. Barbara Lee (D-California) this morning on C-span and she expressed the hope that all nations would give up their chemical (or biological?) weapons. I called her office to insist that the State of Israel should be included in that. No special treatment should be accorded to Israel and if they have chemical or biological weapons they should be forced to relinquish them. Israel has signed but not ratified the Chemical Weapons Treaty, which is tantamount to not signing.

  2. just says:

    Waaaaaaaaaah. Too late. The game is up. AIPAC/Israel and their selfish and warmongering agendas are coming undone by their own actions… I think of AIPAC as the IOF deployed right here on Capitol Hill. And please ‘mister unnamed guy’, don’t try to fool us by not admitting that Israel leads AIPAC. Well, some bright sunshine has finally been let in.

    “This would only give AIPAC more power the next time that it really has to go to battle. The ‘next time’ — I’m referring to a possible assault on nuclear facilities in Iran — will be really important, fateful and decisive. It is inappropriate that every time the Americans have doubts about adopting a military course of action or not, Israel should come running and goad them on. This causes greater damage than the possibility that America would occasionally agree not to take action.””

    Hopefully, there won’t be a “next time”– EVER. Not so funny that he uses the words “really has to go to battle”. We (the US) should immediately start the normalization of relations with Iran…(that is, if Mr. Obama and Mr. Kerry have not already begun on the QT.)

    • Krauss says:

      Never say never.

      Part of the reason why AIPAC is so strong is because they have clever operators like that guy who understands the how AIPAC is constantly running on the edge.
      I think it becomes clearer and cleaer by each passing day how important Walt & Mearsheimer’s book really was to the discussion of U.S. Middle Eastern policy in general. These days you can openly have articles in the MSM about the influence and the efforts of the lobby. That was verboten during the run-up to Iraq.

      Where I think he’s overly optimistic, however, is that he thinks AIPAC can convince America to go to war against Iran if it really went all-out. What sealed Iraq was partly the aftershock of 9/11 which hadn’t passed in 1 and 1/2 years, but also the uncritical media coverage.

      If the media is skeptical and there is no direct attack on American interests, it will be very, very hard to convince America to go to war with Iran. Plus, the effects of that war will be far larger than any strike on Syria. Iran, together with Turkey and Israel, is the region’s great power.

      Another thing it exposes is just how deeply reliant, even parasitical, Israel really is on America. Running through his entire commentary as a red thread is a raw sense of fear, and perhaps justifyingly so.

      • seafoid says:

        That article is a fascinating insight into the IDF mentality.

        ” Israel’s diplomatic proceedings are negligent and AIPAC’s involvement is superfluous. By contrast, the process in the United States is organized, modular and structured”

        In other words, the US military learnt a lot post Rumsfeld. Israel didn’t. It’s still the same country with a permanent war hard on. Perhaps the difference is that Israel never pays for its wars.
        Israel was built on taking chances and hoping for the best with extreme violence as standard. There’s no discipline.

        AIPAC is full of suits who never drove a Humvee into an ambush. It’s all a money game for them. Israel still thinks it’s 2004 and AIPAC can deliver the goods and the US the grunts to push another stage in the eternal reordering of the region to suit the IDF.

        “We, on the other hand, should take a break from the traditional Israeli role of warmonger.” What else is there to say?

        • Citizen says:

          Perhaps the difference is that Israel never pays for its wars, or its 45 year and ongoing occupation. US even paid for all those Russian Jews that came to Israel in the early 90′s.

        • seafoid says:

          Israel is addicted to war and gets the US to pay for the weapons and cover the diplomatic mess afterwards. No wonder it has no time for peace.

        • MHughes976 says:

          I think that one of the repercussions of these events must be that those voices that question the endless subsidies to the Israeli military machine begin to speak louder and are more and more heard.
          I suspect that this is the point where the tide turns and that realistic negotiations for the future of Palestine will now begin ever so slowly.

        • Walid says:

          “Perhaps the difference is that Israel never pays for its wars.”

          Not just for war, seafoid, what about all the fuel for Israel’s military land, sea, and air equipment?

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Israel is addicted to war and gets the US to pay for the weapons and cover the diplomatic mess afterwards”

          Not only that, but it gets the US to spy on the US’s own citizens for the israelis…

          link to theguardian.com

          It’s time to end the occupation of Washington by the israelis and give it back to the American people.

        • seafoid says:

          The republicans need to take this issue and hammer the dems with it. Forget about gay marriage- this is a real election defining issue.

        • seafoid says:

          I think Israel gets its oil from Azerbaijan. I wonder who brokered that deal.

        • miriam6 says:

          Woody Tanaka: It’s time to end the occupation of Washington by the israelis and give it back to the American people.

          Empiricon: Maybe someday they will have to register as the foreign agency they are.

          Citizen: AIPAC is seamlessly linked to Israel and should be forced to register as agent of a foreign government

          Woody, Citizen et al you are completely obtuse

          As usual you have everything the wrong way round

          The fact is over half the population of America SUPPORTS Israel which therefore renders your statement ridiculous.

          The American public’s support for Israel comes first ,- BEFORE the Lobby

          Perhaps you ought to find a way to jettison over half the population of America

          Only then will you be free of The Lobby

          Or alternatively , move to Europe

          It is this support by over half the US population that gives AIPAC whatever power it may have

          Americans maintain broad support for Israel

          U.S. adults nearly four times as likely to side with Israelis as with Palestinians

          PRINCETON, NJ — Americans’ views toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict held fairly steady over the past year, with a near record-high 63% continuing to say their sympathies lie more with the Israelis.

          Seventeen percent sympathize more with the Palestinians.

          link to gallup.com

          link to pollingreport.com

          link to jns.org

          Listen to this Jeffrey Goldberg interview on why he thinks AIPACs lobbying of Congress on Syria is bad for Israel

          link to amirmizroch.com

        • seanmcbride says:

          miriam6,

          The fact is over half the population of America SUPPORTS Israel which therefore renders your statement ridiculous.

          How well do you know Americans? I know them very well (I am one) and can assure you that most Americans never give Israel even a passing thought and are preoccupied with much more pressing issues in their daily lives than the problems of Israelis.

          Most Americans would abandon Israel in a second and without a moment’s thought if American and Israeli interests and values began to diverge even slightly.

          Look at how quickly many Republicans just split with the Israel lobby over the issue of attacking Syria — AIPAC must be shocked to realize just how shallow are the ties that bind many leading American politicians and Israel.

          If Israel were truly a confident and self-reliant nation, it wouldn’t rely on a lobby that conveys such a tone of desperation and hysteria in its efforts to try to control American Mideast policy.

        • miriam6 says:

          Sean

          I simply don’t buy your idea that AIPAC is holding a gun to your heads, forcing poor America to support Israel and do it’s bidding

          To my mind two things are going on

          American public support for Israel is strong for at least half your population

          America found a client state in Israel willing to do its bidding

          In reply to your last paragraph

          If America had been a truly self confident and self reliant nation y’all wouldn’t have responded to 9/11 by bombing the hell out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Yemen

          And don’t give me that crap about how Israel and the Lobby dragged y’all into it or 9/11 was a mossad op. crap

          Think back to the 1990-1 Gulf War

          Iraq sued for peace but America simply refused to draw a line under the war

          America continued it’s war on Iraq by other means

          By the imposition of sanctions on Iraq

          Finally America saw in 9/11 an opportunity for the end game to commence

          America completed its war against Iraq which had never really ended in 1991 , by invading , occupying and setting up a puppet regime

          Then after bashing the poor Iraqis around still further for six,

          seven years , America FINALLY departed – leaving Iraq in the awful mess it’s in to day, but hey for the US its war with Iraq was finally over..

          You say the Republicans split with AIPAC over Syria

          Big deal

          Read some Chomsky ,any old Chomsky and time and again you find he makes the point that when American and Israeli interests match and converge , all is sweetness and light

          When those interests conflict however, America has no problem side-lining Israel

          Also read Chomsky on how immediately after the end of WW2 America was already eyeing up the Middle East

          In fact Sean just read more Chomsky and less of Walt and Mearsheimer’s one dimensional view of the world crap!

          Read Stephen Zunes on American foreign policy in the ME region since 1953 beginning with Iran for god’s sake!

        • German Lefty says:

          I simply don’t buy your idea that AIPAC is holding a gun to your heads, forcing poor America to support Israel and do it’s bidding

          US politicians are bribed by the Zionist lobby.

          American public support for Israel is strong for at least half your population

          When US citizens are asked whether they view Israel positively or negatively, they will probably answer “positively”, simply because:
          - They don’t want to admit that they have no clue about that foreign country.
          - They appreciate wealth and success. And they project the wealth and success of US Jews onto the “Jewish state”.
          - The MSM don’t report on Israel’s crimes in order to keep the public ignorant.

          America found a client state in Israel willing to do its bidding

          Oh, really? What did Israel ever do for the USA? I’d say it’s exactly vice versa.

          If America had been a truly self confident and self reliant nation y’all wouldn’t have responded to 9/11 by bombing the hell out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Yemen

          You are right in terms of self-confidence, but you are wrong about self-reliance. The USA is indeed self-reliant, because at least the USA uses its own money to commit crimes against innocent Muslims. Israel, however, depends on Western money to commit its crimes. Without the USA’s military aid and support at the UN, Israel couldn’t continue oppressing and dispossessing the Palestinian people. Through the lobby, Israel has US politicians by the balls.

        • German Lefty says:

          @ miriam6
          I simply don’t buy your idea that AIPAC is holding a gun to your heads, forcing poor America to support Israel and do it’s bidding

          Let me link this chart again:
          link to img9.imageshack.us
          How do you explain the difference in opinion between US citizens and all other Westerners? What do you think is more likely: That US citizens are wrong or that all other Westerners are wrong? Which people are more likely to find Israel on a map: US citizens or other Westerners?

        • seanmcbride says:

          miriam6,

          My impression as an American who knows many Americans is that most Americans:

          1. barely think about Israel at all

          2. are much more preoccupied with many other issues of much greater relevance and importance to them than Israel

          3. are tired of hearing about Israel’s endless problems and conflicts with its neighbors (and about Mideast politics in general)

          4. would drop American support for Israel in an instant for whatever reason

          Are you an American yourself? How much time have you spent here? On what basis do you think you understand American culture and the American mindset? (Your posts do not feel American to me.)

          Why would you expect most non-Jewish Americans (and Europeans, etc.) to be any more enthusiastic about Jewish ethnic and religious nationalism than most Jews are about, say, white Christian nationalism or any other forms of non-Jewish ethnic and religious nationalism?

          Regarding the Israel lobby: the neoconservative and neoliberal wings of the Israel lobby were the ringleaders of the Iraq War and “the Global War on Terror” — few serious political analysts deny that any longer — the documentary trail they left behind them in publications like Commentary is too vast to hide. And they have been the ringleaders of the campaign to attack Iran and Syria. Their motives are transparent: they are aggressive, self-interested and self-obsessed ethnic nationalists, just like yourself.

          Wound-up and relentless lobbyists for Israel who deny the existence of the Israel lobby come across as intellectually dishonest and absurdly self-contradictory — especially when the activities of that lobby are discussed so openly and in such minute detail in the Jewish and Israeli press. All of that material is now instantly retrievable with Google. The Israel lobby is an open book.

          You are lobbying for Israel on Mondoweiss in the typical ways that lobbyists lobby for Israel. We see you and get you. And few of us want to buy what you are selling — endless draining military and political conflicts in the Mideast for a narrow ethno-religious nationalist cause that is not our own.

        • seanmcbride says:

          miriam6,

          One doubts that you are turned on by aggressive and self-obsessed white, black, Asian, Latino, Arab, Irish or German ethnic nationalists.

          You should be smart enough to figure out how most Americans (and most of the world) are going to respond to your impassioned ethnic nationalist politics over the long run.

          Jewish culture has been most creative and successful over the last century or two when it steered clear of ethnic and religious nationalist politics (and radical politics of all kinds — including communism). The most brilliant Jews are those who have rarely become mired down in arguments with non-Jews about Jewish issues — they were focused on creative work of universal value for the human race.

        • libra says:

          miriam6: In fact Sean just read more Chomsky and less of Walt and Mearsheimer’s one dimensional view of the world crap!

          miriam, thank you for showing us how useful Professor Chomsky is to Zionists as a mean of letting Israel of the hook. We may disagree on most things but you are a real asset to Mondoweiss.

        • seanmcbride says:

          miriam6,

          I simply don’t buy your idea that AIPAC is holding a gun to your heads, forcing poor America to support Israel and do it’s bidding

          Without the presence of AIPAC, the ADL, JINSA, the Conference of Presidents, AJC, WINEP, ECI, RJC, NJDC, CSP, the Saban Center, Norpac and dozens (even hundreds) of other organizations that are components of the Israel lobby, Americans would barely be paying attention to Israel at all.

          Why in the world should they? To the extent that Americans feel an emotional pull towards foreign nations it is towards nations other than Israel — 98% of Americans are culturally descended from and connected to nations other than Israel — England, France, Germany, Italy, Sweden, Ireland, the Netherlands, Russia, Japan, China, Scotland, Greece, Africa — and on and on.

          But we understand by now that quite a few Jews have been indoctrinated into the religious and cult belief that Jewish nationalism matters a great deal more than the nationalism of any other people — that explains their blindness on this topic and their general misreading of the true contours of the real world.

          If relations between Israel and the United States collapse — which seems likely given current trends — most pro-Israel activists won’t see it coming because they have no empathy for or insights into the emotional and mental worlds of cult outsiders.

        • ‘The American public’s support for Israel comes first ,- BEFORE the Lobby
          How does it come?
          Does is it come this way?

          “n 2009, Shamai Leibowitz was working secretly for the FBI, translating wiretapped conversations among Israeli diplomats in this country. He passed some transcripts of these conversations to me, which described an Israeli diplomatic campaign in this country to create a hostile environment for relations with Iran. …he was convinced from his work on these recordings that the Israel foreign ministry and its officials in this country were responsible for a perception management campaign directed against Iran…..I didn’t consider the possibility that they might actually prosecute him[ Leibowitz] for these leaks, which was what happened.

          link to truth-out.org

          Or ghostwrite –”I noted that an Israeli diplomat ghost wrote some or all of a Boston Herald op-ed attacking Iran, to which a prominent Jewish attorney and community leader signed his name.link to truth-out.org

          Or create a pseudo debate -” In September 2008, before one of the presidential debates, an Israeli operative attempted unsuccessfully to meet with a debate panelist in order to plant a question about war against Iran: Would the candidates take military action against that country or accept a nuclear-armed Iran? The Israelis did NOT want any question that asked what the candidates might do if Israel attacked Iran.

          link to truth-out.org

          Create perception about your enemy and ask the US to attack now with claims of that the US public is against nefarious Iran.

        • “Half of the US citizen supports ” Agreed. and when attempt is made to correct the facts,expose the reality,and change the understandings, its AIPAC, JINSA,ADL who ask their attack dogs to bare the teeth in the media and the congress who are controlled and bribed by them .

          Have you forgot the gloating of Kristol that that the neocons have got rid of all the “Arabist” in the State Department?
          Have you forgot the firings of Helen Thomas , Rick Sanchez,and of the CNN correspondent who said a few good words for the Shia Lebanese clerics on Facebook? Lets not talk about Tutu or the Professor from University of Michigan whose book was stopped from publication or Norman Finklestein who was denied a position by pressure that is so uniquely un American and illegal. There hundreds of examples like these

          Do you remember this guy Jeffrey S Wiesenfeld , a trustee of the City University of New York? He is still there despite racist comment like ” Palestinians worship death fro their children” and he is still there despite trying to deny Kushner an honorary Degree. – Acceptance of this kind of comment and activity make people believe that the comment and this action most likely are legal and true and apt .Second the lax attitude to this foul man and his uttering generate more comment of similar nature from politicians like Mitt Romney,Santorum,Gingrich, Allan West and from FOX news anchors. The negative perception is built slowly over the years and then it becomes an accepted piece of wisdom.

          And American public embrace it .Then the master of those atatck dogs come to declare that Israel is “loved ” by American.

          Why do’nt you read this article–No More War for Israel?
          The People Against the 800 Pound Gorilla
          by JEAN BRICMONT and DIANA JOHNSTONE
          link to counterpunch.org

        • The gun is put to the heads of US politicians, to force them to comply with Aipac demands.

  3. Les says:

    September 10, 2013 at 10:49 am

    In case you were wondering: AIPAC is not Israel

    Only the American people are sovereign to make decisions of war and peace regarding their country’s army; Israeli decision-makers should give up any pretense of intervening.

    Haaretz Editorial | 04:21 10.09.13

    U.S. President Barack Obama is waging a desperate war this week. Not against Syrian President Bashar Assad, whose country he threatens to attack, but against the American majority that opposes military…

    link to haaretz.com

    • German Lefty says:

      Only the American people are sovereign to make decisions of war and peace regarding their country’s army

      How typical of Israelis! They ignore the UN and international law again. The US army also needs UN approval for a legal war. The approval by US citizens is not sufficient at all.

  4. Empiricon says:

    Well whadya know… AIPAC’s gone rogue?? Or not. I’m thinking they just see the error of the strategy, that Americans aren’t buying their shinola this time and so he’s cutting them loose. The phrase “AIPAC must be kept…” is a stark admission of its role as Israel’s operative. Maybe someday they will have to register as the foreign agency they are.

    • Citizen says:

      AIPAC is seamlessly linked to Israel and should be forced to register as agent of a foreign government: link to mondoweiss.net

      • Citizen says:

        This petition to make AIPAC register tried to get 1 million signatures, but got only 405: link to care2.com
        Seems not many Americans give a crap they’ve been bled for Israel for about a half century, with no end in site.

        • hophmi says:

          LOL. Are you really surprised? It’s NOT A FOREIGN AGENT.

        • American says:

          @ Citizen,

          Care2 not good way to get it going. You have to bring on some “domestic’ major orgs like Moveon and others and get them to jointly circulate a petition like they are doing now on Syria (and also endorsed by popular figures the public recognizes) to get real juice on this.
          The petition would need to be phrased like this and have quotables…..
          link to foreignaffairs.com
          ‘Diplomacy, Inc.’
          The Influence of Lobbies on U.S. Foreign Policy

          Would any of the major orgs do this or join up to do this ? Probably not because the big ones are at core partisan and political—not purely “patriotic”.
          And they wont step on the toes of the big I-First donors to the political parties. They just take stands on a crisis by crisis basis and avoid the actual core cause behind the re-occuring FP crisis.
          But if anyone could ever them to do this then you’d see a response.

        • Hostage says:

          LOL. Are you really surprised? It’s NOT A FOREIGN AGENT.

          Well it actually is an agent of a foreign principal whenever it acts on instructions received from the government of Israel. The press reports all claim that Netanyahu picked-up the phone and gave them their marching orders.

          The New York Times even says that Obama used Netanyahu as his intermediary, not AIPAC. link to nytimes.com

          See also: After FBI came to his door in ’04, AIPAC staffer promptly called Israeli embassy link to mondoweiss.net

        • Israel is not a foreign country. It transcends that domestic and foreign issue . Per the Zionst in 1920 Peace Conference , Israel is an idea where the democratic principle of majority decision is inferior to the memory of 3000 years .The rules change in seconds to keep the idea that Israel is above any human law . it is the country promised and given by God.

    • Hostage says:

      Well whadya know… AIPAC’s gone rogue?? Or not.

      No, Netanyahu and Lieberman have a habit of ignoring good advice and overruling their career Foreign Ministry experts. Most of them have been on strike for the last 4 months anyway.

    • German Lefty says:

      The phrase “AIPAC must be kept…” is a stark admission of its role as Israel’s operative.

      Exactly! This phrasing is very telling and stood out for me, too.

  5. frankier says:

    Yes, US blood should be spilled only for (Israel’s) important issues. Instead of advocating a peaceful solution, Israel and its agent push(ed) for a bombing. Who cares what happens to the Syrian people, we’ve got the Golan Heights already!

    On the topic of AIPAC and its visibility, I would bet that virtually no one will know who they are one week from now.

  6. He doesnt sound like an expert. This is what aipac is about, earlier iraq war, now syria and iran.

  7. gingershot says:

    ‘It is not wise, it is not correct, it is excessive,” said the diplomatic source, “Israel is too often VIEWED as a country that drags the United States into conflicts and wars. ‘

    Hilarious! – AIPAC ‘viewed’ as a country that TOO OFTEN drags the US into wars!

    The red line that needs to be drawn is NEVER will America be lied and hoaxed and mousetrapped into war by Israel, AIPAC, and the Neocons, EVER AGAIN

    How about…..

    they (Israel/AIPAC/Neocons/Israeli Lobby) lied us into the Iraq War,

    they (Israel/AIPAC/Neocons/Israeli Lobby) have been falling all over themselves for the last 10 years TRYING to lie us into a war with Iran (and nearly succeeding on at least TWO occasions, the last of which was last Sept 2012)

    they (Israel/AIPAC/Neocons/Israeli Lobby) have done a full court press to try to lie us into a war with Syria, currently, and are DISAPPOINTED they didn’t succeed*

    Every word from an Israeli or Neocon should immediately be suspect as JUST ANOTHER Israeli/Neocon False Flag operation or hoax until PROVEN OTHERWISE. Every word from Netanyahu’s mouth or Kristol’s pen or AIPAC’s yearly agenda …

    This F’ing Lobby has got to go – forced to register as an agent of a foreign government and reamed every time they get caught spying on the US

    ============
    * I was on the Times of Israel site or JPOST and an article went up and then was taken down by the time I got back to it 5 minutes later about how ‘Israel was irate that the strike was going to be called off’ due to the new deal. I tried to retrieve it by looking for cached copies but have had no luck finding it.

  8. “Such a modus operandi should only be employed when we have no choice, and only with regards to a strategic issue that is vital to the very existence of Israel. ”

    Deconstruct this, these lines and one can safely reach the following conclusions-
    A modus operandi exist for dragging US to war for Israel .
    When no choice exist- –that means claims could be made ( and been made many a times )Israel had no choice despite having alternatives offered by Syria and Arab for full normalization of relations for last 30 or so years.

    Existential threat – have n’t we heard that before? Aren’t we hearing that Iran is an existential threat ? Isn’t that claim based on its nuclear activity? Hasn’t that been debunked ? Hasn’t Nathahooooo has been claming that for years ? And hasn’t US been dragged already in that covert and oovert war against Iran?
    Now next question is why then Isreal not in a mood to step back and let the water clear a little bit or why it has so far succeeded on Iran when it did not succed on Syria? So far its effort to force US/Europe has mostly succeeded and has never felt the necessisty of questioning its illegal actions.
    Reason is also that US has swallowed all lies coming from Israel with full awareness out of Israeli fear, non-stop dances to Israeli tunes by pro Israeli US/Europe based media ,absentmindedness and lack of push back from other like Russia and China.

  9. gingershot says:

    Modern AIPAC is dead – as Bret Stephens frets about today in the Wall Street Journal:

    ‘In the meantime, Republicans should ponder what their own political posturing on Syria might mean for the future. When a Republican president, faced with a Democratic House, feels compelled to take action against some other rogue regime, will they rue their past insistence on congressional approval?’

    Boo hoo – with Israel and her Neocons no longer capable of bum rushing the US into war with Iran – because it would be overwhelmingly refused by the American people and US House (like this strike on Syria) – AIPAC’s raison d’etre for the last 10 yrs has been destroyed

    Obama has done a GREAT SERVICE to the US by taking the US military OUT OF THE HANDS OF ISRAEL AND AIPAC

    • kalithea says:

      “Obama has done a GREAT SERVICE to the US by taking the US military OUT OF THE HANDS OF ISRAEL AND AIPAC”

      Obama did squat. The American people finally got off the couch and threatened the bought-and-sold shills for Israel in Congress with pink slips. What Zionists fear most is a thinking American public that’s why Americans get fed the Zionist gruel on the mainstream daily, to stop them from having an independent thought process.

      • Hostage says:

        Obama did squat. The American people finally got off the couch and threatened the bought-and-sold shills for Israel in Congress with pink slips.

        Fair enough, but the President still has the authority under the Syria Accountability Act and his initial consultation with Congress under the war powers act, via his draft resolution, to go ahead with a strike. Putin and Assad are really responsible for the delay.

  10. kalithea says:

    People should know just how devious AIPAC is. Besides being pain and risk-averse Israelis have serious control issues. Through their agent AIPAC they demonstrate their need to be on top of everything moving policy towards a misguided agenda every time and ensuring their talking points and narrative are front and centre everywhere you turn. One word comes to mind: OVERKILL.

    AIPAC use to ressemble a mob boss, operating in the shadows, keeping a low profile, trying to keep events clannish and private to discourage scrutiny, even though most of Congress is on their roll call ready to be wined, dined and bribed.

    The Iraq War had one advantage; it brought AIPAC out of the shadows and put Zionists front and centre at the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans fabricating a “causus belli” with Israelis coming and going with special clearance.

    Since then AIPAC, the Lobby, has almost certainly become a household word and that’s very bad for AIPAC because now it’s under a glaring light of day and has become the focus of much criticism, and the more criticism AIPAC gets, the more insecure it gets and the more control it tries to exert over the will of the American people.

    Zionists have become very transparent since Israel invaded Gaza. Their resistance to do right by the Palestinians and their insistent crusade against Iran are exposed and still they can’t let go of their manipulation of the truth. Their desperation is palpable and obvious; they just can’t help pushing it too far, and the impression they’re leaving with Americans is one of selfishness and disregard for the price already paid by Americans to satisfy Zionist goals and the insatiable paranoia that skews their judgement and fuels so much antagonism.

  11. bilal a says:

    What if Sheldon Adelson and AIPAC Gave a War and No One Came?
    slate
    link to slate.com

    • kalithea says:

      This outcome is not about Adelson and his AIPAC or Congress or Syria, it’s about the American people FINALLY taking a stand to get their country out of the hands of a foreign interloper and it’s influence on their Representatives.

      So the Question should be: What if Congress gave Peace a Chance and every American showed up?

      And regarding Adelson’s comment: I doubt he looses sleep over the fate of South Korea or Europe. ISRAEL-ISRAEL-ISRAEL is all that unmentionable gives a shet about!

  12. Clif Brown says:

    Who makes these decisions about activating AIPAC? Is it one person, five people? Who gives the “go” command and is there someone (Netanyahu?) that can countermand what others have decided?

    Perhaps the NSA could provide a recording of the phone calls, and perfectly legally, because no doubt there is at least one call to a “foreign country” involved in the AIPAC phone tree, so everybody could be roped in.

  13. ToivoS says:

    “Israel’s image has already been tarnished and harmed by AIPAC’s deep involvement in convincing the American administration to invade Iraq, a pointless invasion that caused strategic damage to the entire world. “

    So now they admit their involvement in pushing us into the Iraq war. How many patriotic Americans were tarnished with the label of antisemitism for pointing out these obvious facts.

    With respect to AIPAC signing on to lobby for war against Syria it does look like did over play their hand. In this case I think AIPAC likely realizes that they made a bad political call here. Obviously, Israel wanted the war but they decided to not be too public about it. AIPAC got the first part of the message and missed the second one. Their error was letting the Obama administration pressure them into working over Congress in support of the new war. Obama probably informed their lobby contacts that if they wanted the admin to support AIPAC legislation then they should better get behind Obama’s war in Syria. All peace loving folks can rejoice that this has all blown up in both of their faces. AIPAC and the war party has been wounded by this fiasco.

    Who could have predicted that it would be Obama himself that drug the lobby out of the dark into the bright light of exposure?

    • Citizen says:

      Nobody in the WH or congress or AIPAC or ADL or Jewish Presidents of Whatever organization thought the American sheeple would not run right over the cliff into Syria–the government got a big backdoor dose of the internet more and more sheeple are learning to use for more than Facebook, porn, shopping, and sports schedules.

    • ToivoS says:

      Here it is: link to meforum.org

      Poor Israel and AIPAC were forced out into the open by that evil Obama. No sooner do they walk into the light but Obama pulls the rug out and enters into a diplomatic solution. And no, I don’t think any of this was planned. Obama has no strategic plan, he is just blindly stumbling from one unforeseen circumstance to another. It is amateur hour in US FP right now.

  14. Erasmus says:

    AIPAC must be kept for consensus issues only…

    SIC !! What a lovely line is this!
    Here we are, undiluted:
    1) AIPAC is a “kept”.
    In (Asian?) English a “kept” is an illegitimate wife by the side.
    2) Which consensus? Among / between whom?
    Consensus between Israel interests and Israel interests.

  15. Tuyzentfloot says:

    Interesting article. How about this as a future business model: AIPAC as lobby for hire, with the main client the US government , itself becoming a gun for hire.
    The bills would be huge.

  16. giladg says:

    Does anyone know what is really going on in Syria? I think not. One thing is for sure that as far as Western ideology and the safeguard of human rights are concerned, there are no good guys. Chaos reigns. Russia and the US to a lesser extent, abuse the local populations to pursue and insure the sale of arms and gas, and more of both.
    Picking AIPAC out, after Obama himself reportedly asked them to support an attack on Syria, is a sure sign that you have given up your soul for populism, which relies on emotions rather than facts and a comprehension of the larger picture, which you demonstrate not to have Adam.

    • Citizen says:

      @ giladg
      Obama appealed to raw emotion in his most recent speech to the American people, holding up a rhetorical image of Syrian kids suffering from being gassed. He did not tell them he has no conclusive evidence Assad did it, nor that Russia and Turkey gave evidence the rebels POTUS wants to aid did it. Obama won’t tell the American people his “smoking gun” was furnished by Mossad. The Israel Lobby and Israel itself constantly conjures up the image of Auschwitz against anyone who does not agree with Israel’s activities. How’s that for appealing to the raw populist emotions?

  17. Ramzi Jaber says:

    I have been reading many “leading” sources of information and news (in addition to MW, of course!) regarding the Palestine-Syria-Israel situation and am really baffled that all the blah blah blah really ignores one fundamental truth:

    This whole situation is about the zionist entity. Period.

    Israel and AIPAC are driven by one basic foundation which is to weaken any perceived enemy or threat to the zionist entity, regardless to any other consideration or consequence. Pure and simple. Some proofs and facts:

    1) September 1978: US orchestrates “peace” agreement that neutralized and took out Egypt from the equation against the zionist entity, an agreement that the zionist entity is to implement in its totality after all these years.

    2) September 1980 to August 1988: US supports Saddam in using chemical weapons to attack Iran.

    3) September 1980 to August 1988: zionist entity supports Iran against Iraq.

    4) June 1981: zionist entity illegally destroys iraq’s nuclear reactor.

    5) August 1990: AlthoughSaddam should have NEVER attacked Kuwait, the zionist entity and its supporters used that to weaken Iraq’s military through the US military.

    6) October 1994: US orchestrates a “peace” agreement to neutralize and take out Jordan of the equation.

    7) March 2003: the zionist entity and its supporters orchestrate the attack on Iraq under false and illegal pretexts, essentially taking out a force they perceived threatening to zionists. This, however, has backfired and resulted in Iran dominating Iraq.

    8) June 2007: Encouraged by US and the zionist entity, Fatah tries to destroy the democratically-elected government led by Hamas (winner of the January 2006 elections), leading to a dangerous split in Palestinian ranks. This only helps the zionists.

    9) September 2007: zionist entity illegally destroys Syria’s nuclear reactor.

    10) 2012-2013: zionist entity illegally attacks Syria on multiple occasions to destroy its weapons.

    And now the whole excuse of Syrian chemical weapons and international morality!

    Where is the international morality when over one hundred thousand Syrians are killed using non-chemical weapons? Why the artificial outrage about chemical weapons? Dead is dead, period.

    Where is outrage of the international moral community when the zionist entity ignores all UN resolutions for years and continues illegal colonies, stealing, and killing?

    Applying the zionist entity lens to what’s happening today reveals and confirms the only truth:

    This whole situation with Syria (and Iran) is about the zionist entity. Period.

  18. MHughes976 says:

    The Diplomat is trying to disclaim an operation that has gone badly wrong and to blame people more distant, or formally more distant, from his government. But surely there’s very little scope for that old Kennedy-style black magic ‘plausible deniability’. The lobbyists wouldn’t have acted without encouragement. And though he claims that powder has been kept dry for the move against Iran the fact is it hasn’t and that when (may now be more like if) Obama calls for war on Iran the popular response will be the same.

    • Hostage says:

      And though he claims that powder has been kept dry for the move against Iran the fact is it hasn’t and that when (may now be more like if) Obama calls for war on Iran the popular response will be the same.

      Exactly. The AIPAC statement made this a referendum on Iran:

      “This is a critical moment when America must also send a forceful message of resolve to Iran and Hezbollah — both of whom have provided direct and extensive military support to Assad. The Syrian regime and its Iranian ally have repeatedly demonstrated that they will not respect civilized norms. That is why America must act, and why we must prevent further proliferation of unconventional weapons in this region.”

      link to timesofisrael.com

      In addition, we are dealing with a situation where unconventional weapons may have actually used by the governing regime. That’s not likely to be the case with Iran’s nuclear program.

  19. Walid says:

    “This whole situation with Syria (and Iran) is about the zionist entity. Period.”

    And oil.

    • MHughes976 says:

      How do those two fit together, though? Did the Anglo powers decide after WW2 or even after WW1 that the ME had to be kept at sixes and sevens – ‘divide and exploit’ – through the shattering impact of a newly planted Israel which everyone else in the region would oppose and detest, but only in a way that endlessly highlighted their intense and frequently lethal mistrust of each other? Or did we in our proud towers sincerely wish we could jointly exploit the oilfields to the benefit and for the development of all, only to be frustrated by our various unholy attempts to solve our Jewish Question by exporting it?

  20. Betsy says:

    Jodi Rudoren seems to have gotten this Israel govt talking point — as her 9/9 article was a kind of apologetics for Israel lobbying — suggesting that Israel govt was keeping a distance from AIPAC lobbying link to nytimes.com

  21. lysias says:

    Greenwald’s latest: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans’ data with Israel:

    The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence data with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens, a top-secret document provided to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals.

    Details of the intelligence-sharing agreement are laid out in a memorandum of understanding between the NSA and its Israeli counterpart that shows the US government handed over intercepted communications likely to contain phone calls and emails of American citizens. The agreement places no legally binding limits on the use of the data by the Israelis.

    The disclosure that the NSA agreed to provide raw intelligence data to a foreign country contrasts with assurances from the Obama administration that there are rigorous safeguards to protect the privacy of US citizens caught in the dragnet. The intelligence community calls this process “minimization”, but the memorandum makes clear that the information shared with the Israelis would be in its pre-minimized state.

    The deal was reached in principle in March 2009, according to the undated memorandum, which lays out the ground rules for the intelligence sharing.

    If Israel annoys the American people too much, over an issue like Syria, it risks losing all this.

  22. Citizen says:

    Every MOU the US signs with Israel is not reciprocal. The net advantages always go to Israel. I’d like to know who wrote and vetted the language of every one of them. Probably the same type of people who wrote our very first FTA, with Israel. In that one the US opens freely up to all Israeli imports, while Israel gets to pick and choose which US industry products it wants to charge customs fees.

    And now we got the bill for nonreciprocal visa waiver winding through Congress, scheduled to be made law in a couple of months–the one that allows Israel to discriminate against Arab Americans and Americans critical of Israeli policy or conduct.

  23. seafoid says:

    Regarding war it may well be the case that there won’t be any future consensus issues between the warmongers (Israel and AIPAC) and the cannon fodder (the American people).

  24. kalithea says:

    Here’s what Congress should be getting from this: It feels real good to listen to the American people for a change and be able to tune out AIPAC’s NOISE.

  25. German Lefty says:

    OT: I just saw a segment on German TV about Meital Dohan. I have never heard of her before. She’s an Israeli celebrity. Apparently, she is house-hunting in Berlin and wants to “conquer” Germany. She seemed pretty crazy and was full of praise for Berlin. Does anybody know anything about her political views?
    I found this on Wikipedia:
    “In 2010, Dohan became the official Spokesperson for Artists 4 Israel and their murality mission ‘Paint Israel’ to paint the bomb shelters in Sderot and show that America’s young, graffiti community supports the people of Israel.”
    link to en.wikipedia.org
    link to fabricmag.com

    • GL, you can read more about Artists 4 Israel here: link to mondoweiss.net

      • German Lefty says:

        GL, you can read more about Artists 4 Israel here

        Thanks, Annie. I remember that article. However, I hoped that someone could tell me more about Meital Dohan’s personal views.
        You know, what I find weird about German MSM coverage is that usually Jewish Israelis are simply referred to as “Israelis” and Israel is simply called “Israel” as if it were just another country. Only when there’s negative criticism of Israel, then Jewish Israelis suddenly become “Jews” and Israel becomes the “Jewish state” as if it were a persecuted nation that must be protected.

  26. I of course was not surprised Aipac (and ADL) pushed for yet another US war in the Middle East. But I agree it was poor thinking. Nothing unusual about that, however.

  27. Ramzi Jaber says:

    Too late, cat out of the bag.

    aipac, a lobbyist for a FOREIGN regime, is lobbying US POLS to sacrifice US BLOOD and TREASURE to attack another FOREIGN country that DID NOTHING to hurt the US. Now I get it. Will Americans get it too? Mustn’t they ask WHY?

    Time for US citizens to clearly and forcefully tell their politicians NO MORE WARS FOR SAKE OF THE ZIONIST REGIME. Otherwise, you’ll be voted out. US INTERESTS FIRST AND FOREMOST.