Groundswell on Syria: The people versus AIPAC

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Austin, TX, August 31, 2013. (Photo: Truthstream Media.com_

Austin, TX, August 31, 2013. (Photo: Truthstream Media.com)

We’re at a defining moment in the history of the special relationship between the U.S. and Israel. Israel wants a war and the American people don’t– still, American leadership is pressing ahead. This groundswell of American opposition has fostered a willingness on the part of the American media to broach the issue of blind American support for Israel.

Last night, NBC Nightly News led not with the Senate Foreign Relations committee’s vote to approve military action against Syria, but with the American people– with the “loud and lopsided” opposition across the country to taking a military strike on Syria. In “packed town hall meetings from Connecticut to Oklahoma,” Kelly O’Donnell reported, Americans are voicing opposition to interfering in the Syrian civil war. And she featured Justin Amash, the Michigan freshman Republican, who has Syrian ancestors and opposes a strike, as does nearly everyone at his town halls.

Senator Bernie Sanders said on MSNBC that the phones are popping off in his office, and “almost unanimously people are opposed to what the president is talking about.” 98 percent of my district says No, Ted Yoho, an emerging Florida Republican congressman, said on the same network.

“Our foreign policy of the last 30 years has led us into this,” Yoho went on. “It’s Groundhog Day and we need to take foreign policy in a new direction.. We need diplomacy at this point of time.”

These are all signs of a groundswell in the wings of both parties, challenging the leadership. This is a “very dangerous place for the president to be,” Howard Fineman put it on MSNBC yesterday. Democrats are wondering “how the Democratic Party suddenly became the war party.” Good question.

For the seven years this site has been around, we have challenged Americans to look at one root of the conflict in the Middle East, and one root of the Democratic war party– in Israel’s occupation and Jim Crow policies that Americans would find objectionable in their own land. If politicians like Yoho are determined to reexamine foreign policy, then blind support for Israel is bound to come under the microscope. He should find support from liberals. Chris Matthews last night repeatedly called out the neocons and “AIPAC” as supporters of the military action– alas without explaining to the general viewer what AIPAC stands for, American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Mentioning the Israel angle is still too radioactive for Matthews.

The coming political question is a cultural one: whether the rightwing national interest types, caricatured as isolationists, can build a coalition with the leftwing antiwar types. Both sides are corrupted, the Dems by neoliberalism and doctrinal attachment to liberal Zionism, the right by the Tea Party and a legacy of racism. On Hardball, Chris Matthews warmed up to Yoho, even as he subjected him to questions about Obama’s birth certificate.

I believe these differences can be overcome by the urgency of opposing a Syrian strike and, worse, an attack on Iran that the lobby has in its sights. But this coalition will only be effective if we challenge the orthodoxies of the special relationship–the need to support Israel through one conflict after another, neverending– and look for nonviolent ways out of this morass.

The presence of non-Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews will be critical to this movement. We demonstrate that opposing the policies of a religious state is not the same as anti-Semitism. No it is a hallmark of American liberalism. And as the agenda of the Israel lobbyists becomes clearer to the American public — one war after another, into the future, because Israel as it is constituted is not accepted by half its population or its neighbors — our own agenda will have to be discussed at last. Sanctions, BDS, nonviolent pressure to transform what Bassam Haddad called a “settler colonial” state on MSNBC the other day. Then mainstream American figures will finally ask, Where is the Israeli de Klerk?

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  1. Citizen
    September 5, 2013, 10:34 am

    Chris Matthews mentions AIPAC but does not tell his audience what it is. Maybe if 99% of Americans were against a strike on Syria, he may do that? 70 or 80% is not enough for him to stick his neck out. He sure spits and drools a lot. I guess his boss has replaced the Pope in his mind–has he mentioned the Pope is against a US-led strike on Syria? I assume he still thinks of himself as a Roman Catholic… With his cherished Irish background, you’d think he’d stick up for the Palestinian side once in a blue moon.

  2. MHughes976
    September 5, 2013, 10:38 am

    The BBC reporting from St.Petersburg says that Obama is buoyed up by confidence that Congress will back him. However the Reuters-Ipsos poll published on Sept.3, with 56:19 the other way, has not been superseded as far I can see.
    They say that there is normally a groundswell of support for war once it starts. But that may be to a great extent sympathy and identification with the brave soldiers risking their lives and limbs on a foreign field. I wonder if it works if all the attacks are hi-tech and from a safe distance? Feels somehow cowardly and unworthy of a great armed force, doesn’t it?

  3. Walid
    September 5, 2013, 10:48 am

    For those still wondering, early this morning the takfiri rebels attacked the remote Christian village of Ma’loula 65 km northeast of Damascus, a pilgrimage site for Christians and Muslims. The women and children had been evacuated but the men stayed behind to defend the village and its churches that date back 1500 years. Ma’loula is one of 3 villages in Syria and in the world where the residents speak Aramaic among themselves. In the assault, the takfiris shelled the St Elie church, looted it and set it on fire.

    link to youtube.com

    These are the takfiri rebels the US wants to help by bombing Syria.

    • Walid
      September 5, 2013, 11:27 am

      A few more details on the attack on Ma’loula from Manar:

      Al-Nusra Attacks Ma’loula in Damascus, Destroys Aramaic Church and Institute

      Local Editor
      Violent clashes took place between the Syrian Army units and opposition gunmen in the historic town of Ma’loula in Rural Damascus on Thursday, after hundreds of militants attacked the Christian-majority town.

      Local and international media outlets reported that that al-Nusra Front militiamen destroyed the Aramaic church and institute in the town and stole their contents.

      Militants began their attack on Wednesday detonating a booby-trapped car at an army checkpoint near the town in the northern countryside of Damascus.

      The so-called ‘Islamic State of Iraq and Levant’ claimed responsibility for the bombing , which aided the gunmen to enter Ma’loula and seize control over its main square where snipers deployed over a number of buildings.

      Journalists and reporters said that access to the town is not possible due to the fierce clashes between the two sides, indicating that militants have slaughtered some Syrian soldiers.

      From her part, Mother Bagela said that two shells landed on the monastery of Mar Takla leaving material damage.

      Media correspondents also stated the army’s military operations are cautious because of the presence of civilians, in addition to that al-Nusra’s gunmen deployed over Ma’loula building are delaying the qualitative military conduct to restore the town.

      link to almanar.com.lb

      • Annie Robbins
        September 5, 2013, 12:05 pm

        got it, thanks walid.

      • eljay
        September 5, 2013, 12:23 pm

        >> Media correspondents also stated the army’s military operations are cautious because of the presence of civilians …

        What? The army isn’t just wiping civilians off the map using CW? America won’t stand for this!

  4. American
    September 5, 2013, 11:44 am

    ”The coming political question is a cultural one: whether the rightwing national interest types, caricatured as isolationists, can build a coalition with the leftwing antiwar types. Both sides are corrupted, the Dems by neoliberalism and doctrinal attachment to liberal Zionism, the right by the Tea Party and a legacy of racism.’…Phil

    Thats where we are politically isnt it. Who, what leaders or people with influence can or would work to pluck out the best, least corrupted, people from each party and bring them into one common sense and uncorruptible party or campaign?
    How can we take a Rand Paul and Alan Greyson and make them merge.
    The ‘original’ tea party, not the present one, but the one that started ‘before’ it got taken over by the GOP, who’s goal was simply removing ‘corruption’ from government was on the right track.

    • Citizen
      September 5, 2013, 5:04 pm

      @ American
      Yep. I referred on this website yesterday to the needed coalition as comprised of Kucinich and Ron Paul types partnering to kill the war on Syria. But I don’t think there are enough of them, or are they rich enough, to compete successfully with the Obama-McCain-AIPAC coalition.

  5. gingershot
    September 5, 2013, 11:46 am

    ‘We’re at a defining moment in the history of the special relationship between the U.S. and Israel. Israel wants a war and the American people don’t– still, American leadership is pressing ahead. This groundswell of American opposition has fostered a willingness on the part of the American media to broach the issue of blind American support for Israel’

    Exactly right –

    Chris Hayes has come out against the strikes and Rachel ‘What’s a Neocon?’ Maddow actually came out and showed pictures of all the Neocons from the 2003 hoax into the Iraq war (Kristol, Senor, Wolfowitz, Feith, etc) and said they have ‘disqualified’ themselves from ever trying to gin up another war. Chris Matthews is also having a hard time stomaching it.

    Americans should understand and UNDERSTANDABLY HATE what Israel and her Neocons did to the US with the Iraq war, and this should be shoved back in the face of every Neocon and Netanyahu every time one of them pipes up on TV or the media with the next chapter of the ‘Clean Break Plan Over America’s Dead Body(ies)’

    Every Neocon and every Israeli should have WITHERING questions posed to them and tear them apart – such as – ‘after having LIED the US into a war with Iraq, what kind of chutzpah do you have to try to LIE the US into Iran and Syria?’

    David Gregory and Andrea Mitchell – as they provide platforms for Kristol or Netanyahu – should be OUTED as Jews and supporters of Israel and her Neocons. Period.

    Hating the Israeli Lobby/Neocons and Israel is all part of STOPPING Israeli Apartheid and AIPAC-domination of American politics. There’s nothing wrong with it. HATING something enough because you love something else that that is taking away is a HEALTHY THING.

    No US politician should EVER attend an AIPAC fundraiser ever again (how sweet that would be) and AIPAC should be forced to register as a foreign lobby (or be registered as a spy/terror agency, either way ha)

    America needs to hate the Neocons and Israelis like Netanyahu enough to STOP them. It starts with actual education about the truth and I am so HAPPY Chris Hayes, Maddow, Matthews and even the Tea Partiers (ugh) are getting on board.

    The Israeli Apartheid state should have a 4% approval rating in the US, like Apartheid South Africa, and the AIPAC/the Israeli Lobby Neocons should have a 2% approval rating.

  6. Obsidian
    September 5, 2013, 11:49 am

    ‘Israel wants a war and the American people don’t’.

    No Phil, the Assad regime has taken a gamble and now President Obama is trying to convince the United States that his word has value.

    Two weeks ago, former Israeli Deputy Ambassador to the United States Dan Arbel told POLITICO. “Everyone is in a wait-and-see mode about where this is all leading,”“The fact is, right now, the picture is not so clear.”
    “I think that’s why you see organizations like AIPAC and others being more low-profile and cautious,” Arbel said.

    Read more: link to politico.com

    • American
      September 5, 2013, 12:28 pm

      ‘“Everyone is in a wait-and-see mode about where this is all leading,”“The fact is, right now, the picture is not so clear.”……Obsidian

      Meaningless.
      We all understand the ME sh-t pot stirring Israel has done since the day it was created.
      This sh-t pot is no different than other sh-t pots they have stirred except Saudi is also now in on the ME sh-t pot stirring.
      That ‘uncertainty’ of the outcome of this Syria sh-t pot stirring for Israel and Saudi is only ‘how far’ they can make the US go to acheive the ‘outcome’ they want in light of the US public’s outcry against our involvement.
      They probably didnt expect the US public’s objection to be as strong as it is.

      • Elliot
        September 5, 2013, 2:17 pm

        My non sequitir for the day is to comment on the use of hyphens as substitutes for vowels. Very observant Jews refrain from writing “God” as the word itself is considered too sacred to be spelled out outside of liturgy and scripture. So they write “G-d” instead. Thet have no problems with spelling swear words to the extent that those words are kosher to begin with.
        So, you would nevere see this combination: “Holy sh-t! Oh my G-d!”.
        It’s either one or the other.

        I wonder about other cultures. Do they drop the vowels of the sacred, as in traditional Judiasm, or the profanities, as in general American culture?

      • American
        September 5, 2013, 2:46 pm

        @ Elliot

        Well shit isnt considered a sacred word among any Americans I know…lol
        I use the ‘sh-t’ version in an effort to not be quite as potty mouth.
        The “-” indicating I know it’s not a nice word and short hand for lazy people like me to indicate what they think of something.

      • Walid
        September 5, 2013, 3:10 pm

        “I wonder about other cultures. Do they drop the vowels of the sacred, as in traditional Judiasm, or the profanities, as in general American culture?”

        For Muslims, it’s more about adding to holy names rather than dropping anything from them. For most Muslims as in the Quran, names of holy people like Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mary, and so on are followed by “ʿalayhi as-salaam”, which means “peace be upon him/her”. As to the word “God”, it’s to be followed by ” Subhanahu Wa Ta’Ala”, which means “Glorified and Exalted be He” or “May He be Glorified “. For the prophet Muhammad, it’s followed by “sallallahu alayhi wasallam”, which means “May Allah honor him and grant him peace”.

        Sorry you asked?

      • amigo
        September 5, 2013, 3:26 pm

        “I wonder about other cultures. Do they drop the vowels of the sacred, as in traditional Judiasm, or the profanities, as in general American culture?”elliot

        Answer, God no.

      • RoHa
        September 6, 2013, 12:36 am

        “I wonder about other cultures. Do they drop the vowels of the sacred, as in traditional Judiasm, or the profanities, as in general American culture?”

        Varies a great deal in Australia. A few of the more reverent souls put hyphens in the Holy Words “V-gemite” and “Be-r”. But a lot of us don’t give a XXXX. We just write the flaming words in full, and bugger the sensitivities of the bloody readers.

        Not that this is relevant to your question about culture. We don’t have any.

      • Antidote
        September 7, 2013, 7:32 am

        L-L, Roha, hilari-us c-mment.

        The graphic symb-l f-r the eternal feminine is, -f c-urse, b-th sacred and pr-fane.

      • Antidote
        September 7, 2013, 8:20 am

        Elliott

        “My non sequitir for the day is to comment on the use of hyphens as substitutes for vowels….I wonder about other cultures. Do they drop the vowels of the sacred, as in traditional Judiasm, or the profanities, as in general American culture?”

        This strikes me as a classic non sequitur. Strictly speaking, there are no vowels in WRITTEN Hebrew and therefore there is nothing to hyphenate, be it sacred or profane

        link to hebrew4christians.com

      • Antidote
        September 7, 2013, 8:46 am

        forgot one more link

        link to theguardian.com

    • seafoid
      September 5, 2013, 1:15 pm

      Obsidian

      Don’t waste your time. Most of us have been watching Zionism for long time.
      There is no hasbara that can help Israel at this time.
      It is so apposite that this meltdown is happening during the high holidays. Those words spoken at Yom Kippur will eventually align with Israeli reality.

    • Shingo
      September 6, 2013, 5:26 am

      No Phil, the Assad regime has taken a gamble and now President Obama is trying to convince the United States that his word has value.

      No Obsidian,

      Obama and Kerry have lied about Assad carrying out an attack and rather than admitting their mistake, they are backing themselves into a corner.

      Obama is going into wild territory here. It IS his credibility that is on the line. Despite all Israeli fed propaganda against Syria you cannot find one internet forum where his case for War On Syria has even slight support.

      The President of Russian Federation Putin just called U.S. Secretary of State Kerry a liar. This because Kerry insisted, in contradiction to U.S. intelligence and recent news reports, that the al-Qaeda affiliated fighters in Syria are only a shrinking minority of the Syrian opposition.

      Should Obama and Kerry continue with their ridiculously, amateurish, it’s all secret campaign they will lose any and all credibility not only on Syria but on any political issue they will in future touch on.

      • HarryLaw
        September 6, 2013, 8:14 am

        I agree Shingo, the question is how could they keep their jobs when the “intelligence” is revealed to be a crock, and congress fails to support the war.

      • James Canning
        September 8, 2013, 3:14 pm

        German intelligence apparently says Assad himself did not order the CW attack and in fact blocked numerous requests for authority to use CW. Guardian story Sept 8

  7. Don
    September 5, 2013, 12:29 pm

    Or maybe the entire planet versus…

    Don’t attack Syria, world leaders tell Obama at G20 summit
    link to haaretz.com

    • marc b.
      September 5, 2013, 2:47 pm

      don, Cameron says this in Ha’artez piece:

      Britain’s Prime Minister David Cameron, though, speaking with the BBC at St. Petersburg, said that Britain has increasing evidence that the Assad regime has used chemical weapons. The evidence against Assad was “growing all the time,” he said.

      “We have just been looking at some samples taken from Damascus in the Porton Down laboratory in Britain which further shows the use of chemical weapons in that Damascus suburb,” he said, referring to the alleged chemical weapons attack of August 21.

      however two days earlier this in the UK Independent:

      The Government was accused of “breathtaking laxity” in its arms controls last night after it emerged that officials authorised the export to Syria of two chemicals capable of being used to make a nerve agent such as sarin a year ago.

      The Business Secretary, Vince Cable, will today be asked by MPs to explain why a British company was granted export licences for the dual-use substances for six months in 2012 while Syria’s civil war was raging and concern was rife that the regime could use chemical weapons on its own people. The disclosure of the licences for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride, which can both be used as precursor chemicals in the manufacture of nerve gas, came as the US Secretary of State John Kerry said the United States had evidence that sarin gas was used in last month’s atrocity in Damascus.

      apparently the exports were approved by the UK, but were not delivered and blocked through EU sanctions mechanism.

      Critics of the Business Secretary, whose department said it had accepted assurances from the exporting company that the chemicals would be used in the manufacture of metal window frames and shower enclosures, said it appeared the substances had only stayed out of Syria by chance.

      The shadow Business Secretary Chuka Umunna told The Independent: “It will be a relief that the chemicals concerned were never actually delivered. But, in light of the fact the Assad regime had already been violently oppressing internal dissent for many months by the beginning of 2012 and the intelligence now indicates use of chemical weapons on multiple occasions, a full explanation is needed as to why the export of these chemicals was approved in the first place.”

  8. Les
    September 5, 2013, 12:40 pm

    What I am missing from the media is that the proposed resolution is so (deliberately) open ended it gives the go ahead for Obama to start a war against Iran.

  9. Justpassingby
    September 5, 2013, 12:51 pm

    Walt and Mearsheimer needs to write a second book on the israeli lobby and their warmongering.

  10. seafoid
    September 5, 2013, 1:14 pm

    Israel is going to collapse and the American people are going to drive the process.
    Eternal war is bad for everyone. Zionism is far too paranoid for the modern world.
    If you don’t like the neighbors, move.

    • Chu
      September 5, 2013, 1:41 pm

      Zionism right now says if you don’t like the neighbors, then kick them out of the hood. While they may be emboldened to do this, strategically it will never work. Despite the American political class, Israel’s purpose is lost on much of the world today.

      But did they really expect to take up a valuable coastal portion of the Mediterranean (273km) , while destoying the indigenous people’s towns, and have all the neighbors admire them? I guess Zionism’s early foreign policy guru’s were not thinking this one through, which is probably why the hasbara effort works so hard to keep afloat today.

    • Elliot
      September 5, 2013, 2:19 pm

      @ seafoid –
      I think your second point is more likely than the first, particularly for highly mobile American. Eternal war. OTOH, or sequential wars seem to be written into the DNA of the USA.

      • seafoid
        September 5, 2013, 3:48 pm

        -Eternal war will bankrupt the US.
        $3 tn on Iraq and Afghanistan would have paid for a lot of early education in the ghettos or help for start ups. Things real Americans need.

        -Otherwise healthcare will bankrupt the US… 14% of GDP trending towards 25%

        Dick and Jane are going to figure it out eventually.
        A more modest US will be better for everyone. It’s a multipolar world and we don’t need to have marines dying for Israel any more.

  11. DICKERSON3870
    September 5, 2013, 1:56 pm

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      • irishmoses
        September 7, 2013, 1:17 am

        Just signed up for all four. Thanks for the links and your admirable persistence Dickerson.

  12. Kathleen
    September 5, 2013, 1:59 pm

    Huff Po’s front page says not looking good for support. Phone calls coming in to Reps offices 9 to 1 against. Republicans going from the Iraq cheer “kick their ass and take their gas to give peace a chance” The Dems who are supporting this action are going to lose some seats to this issue

    • marc b.
      September 5, 2013, 2:53 pm

      I’m still pessimistic Kathleen. For one thing, most of those congress people who are publicly opposing the ‘strikes’ still refer to the August attack as if Assad were responsible, when we don’t know that to be the case. That tells me that they could still be persuaded to vote ‘yes’ now, or after the next spectacular event is staged. (From what I have read, I am still of the opinion that it was a so-called ‘false flag’ or a botched handling of chemical weapons by rebel forces.)

    • Rusty Pipes
      September 5, 2013, 3:23 pm

      And with Debbie “Don’t Bother. I’m AIPAC” Wasserman Schultz at the DNC, it will be surprising if the Democrats don’t lose even more seats if this country goes to war with Syria against the clear opposition of the Democratic base and the overt support of the Israel Lobby.

      • Kathleen
        September 7, 2013, 8:19 pm

        The Republicans are licking their chops. If Obama and the I lobby strike Syria Dems will be left hanging out to dry in 2016.

  13. James Canning
    September 5, 2013, 2:43 pm

    Let us hope the American people can grasp the endless war in the Middle East promoted by Aipac.

    • eljay
      September 5, 2013, 3:07 pm

      >> Let us hope the American people can grasp the endless war in the Middle East promoted by Aipac.

      And let’s also hope that Americans don’t punish “the Jewish people” for the carnage and devastation wrought by Zio-supremacists and neo-Cons.

      • James Canning
        September 5, 2013, 3:15 pm

        @Eljay – ZERO risk of that, in my view. Or very very low.

      • eljay
        September 5, 2013, 3:30 pm

        >> @Eljay – ZERO risk of that, in my view. Or very very low.

        I hope you’re right.

  14. Rusty Pipes
    September 5, 2013, 3:42 pm

    Fortunately, many members of congress appear to be paying more attention to the calls from their constituents than pressure from the White House or the Israel Lobby or even the polls:

    Senator Bernie Sanders said on MSNBC that the phones are popping off in his office, and “almost unanimously people are opposed to what the president is talking about.” 98 percent of my district says No, Ted Yoho, an emerging Florida Republican congressman, said on the same network.

    Today on Democracy Now, when Amy Goodman mentioned pressure from the Israel Lobby to Alan Grayson, he basically said that AIPAC’s influence is vastly outweighed by the overwhelming response he is getting from his constituents against war with Syria (which certainly goes against the characterization of Grayson as a politician who’ll sign anything AIPAC puts in front of him).

    I am concerned about the recent polls and their wide variation of response — with anywhere from 40-60% against intervention. Of course, this could be a result of pushpolling or the biases of the pollster. Even so, a year ago, 70-80% of the American public opposed any form of military intervention in Syria. I do wonder whether the constant neocon slanted coverage of Syria by the MSM has softened up some of the public’s opposition to another war.

  15. hophmi
    September 5, 2013, 4:47 pm

    I am glad to stand up for basic human values by advocating a forceful response to the use of chemical weapons to perpetrate mass murder. The Jewish community in American is, right now, a profile in courage, standing for the protection of innocent civilians, even though the political price is high, and the stance politically unpopular.

    • kalithea
      September 6, 2013, 11:01 am

      How do you feel about Israel burning children with phosphorous and butchering hundreds of innocents in Cast Lead???

      • weindeb
        September 7, 2013, 10:46 am

        Thank you, kalithea. AND the use by us in Iraq of white phosphorus, cluster bombs and depleted uranium, all this not so long after standing silently by after Sadam Hussein’s use of chemicals against his own people and our approving of and helping him kill countless thousands of Iranians. Well, now it’s 60 years to the year when we and Great Britain destroyed Iranian democracy for oil and saw to it that a despot ruled the country, and so maybe now in celebration of that event it’s time to strike once more against Iran, and I suspect that most of this so-called concern over the Syrian people is really more a matter of crippling an Iranian ally.

    • Chu
      September 9, 2013, 1:16 pm

      That’s rich! Not once during Operation Cast Lead [2009] did you condemn Israel’s use of chemical weapons on the civilian population within Gaza. You didn’t then and you won’t now, because your position is bogus (and don’t pretend as though you speak for the Jewish community).

      • hophmi
        September 9, 2013, 3:07 pm

        “Not once during Operation Cast Lead [2009] did you condemn Israel’s use of chemical weapons on the civilian population within Gaza”

        Tell me again about when Israel used chemical weapons to kill hundred of people at once.

        Oh right, it didn’t happen.

  16. kalithea
    September 6, 2013, 2:06 am

    Israelis were very eager to fan the flames in Syria, stoke the fire, rush in with intelligence, the classified parts of which, apparently aren’t convincing enough for Congress by the looks of it, and God only knows what else Israeli operatives have been up to trying to keep the Syrian conflict alive? Zionists have allowed their desperation to get the better of them. Syria’s that all important domino that’s supposed to spill over into Lebanon and destroy Hezbollah, and that’s destabilizing the again “hostile” Iraq inching evermoreso towards Iran. Zionists believe that Syria is so hot, that Assad, Hezbollah and Iran won’t be able to resist retaliating against a U.S. strike. As a matter of fact, Zionists are praying for such an outcome so the U.S. can use every last weapon in its arsenal to raze all three and solve all of Zionism’s problems.

    Zionists have turned Obama to mush. When Obama went to Israel he mouthed every Zionist platitude like the loyal sock puppet he is. The man no longer knows if he’s coming or going. To some who supported Obama he appears to have undergone some kind of identity crisis that subsequently spread to his supporters who ended up having to defend the indefensible at every turn. No one knows who this Obama is anymore, and what he stands for. His “righteousness” is selective and inconsistent. He sure isn’t the community organizer, or civil rights attorney or even Candidate Obama and he’s definitely not a Nobel Prize Laureate. Is he Obama’s evil twin or a phony – who is this Obama? Ever since Obama appeared in front of AIPAC just prior to his nomination he has gradually morphed and become unrecognizable perhaps even to himself.

    What happened to Candidate Obama tells you how far Zionism/Zionists will go to get what they want but it’s looking like this time they went too far. AIPAC just can’t help itself; it can’t help pushing; and up to now it’s been a piece of cake, but this is different. It started with the Office of Special Plans, Wolfowitz and Feith huddling with Israelis to push the U.S. into Iraq, because Israel was paranoid about Saddam restarting his nuclear program. A connection had to be made between 9/11 and Iraq and then WMDs. But unfortunately for Zionists nothing went as planned. Iraq was a fiasco that blew up in their face, and Afghanistan although it helped to distract from the Peace Process, made Americans weary and wary of waging war. Zionists then viewed the Arab Spring as a HUGE opportunity where Syria was concerned. Funny how not much was happening there when Egypt was ablaze with Revolution. We should ask ourselves how a small suburb protest turned into a full-blown civil war, and who helped to stoke the fire? Israel has had operatives in Syria before anyone else. “Be careful what you wish for…” comes to mind. Could Syria be Zionism’s Waterloo?

    So Assad was making headway and then apparently used CWs, cause he was winning… HUH? So now we have Aipac, ISRAEL’S AGENT, ZIONISM’S AGENT pushing for war and Americans pushing back. What Americans should realize is that their President is no longer who they think he is. Obama has been in AIPACs favor since that day he stood in front of AIPAC and sold his soul for the Presidency. But what Aipac didn’t count on is how much Republicans would love to tear him down. This time it’s not Aipac that can return the Executive Branch to them; it’s Obama! Aipac wants this war but Republicans want to bring Obama down MORE than they want this war.

    Because the majority of Americans don’t want this war; this is a golden opportunity for Republicans, something Aipac never counted on.

    Obama is AIPACs man, but he’s also a paper tiger; Republicans know this, and it looks like he’s about to be shredded not just in Congress, or by the American people but on a world stage as well. It looks like a perfect storm is headed his way. He’s got no credibility left because he sold his integrity to Zionism; that’s what Zionism does – it destroys integrity. Obama’s trying to sell Israel FIRST – Americans are not buying this time and Aipac is about to be betrayed by Republicans who can’t help but seize the moment before them.

    One could state that the Occupation is the root of all evil. One could say, “it’s the Occupation, stupid.” But it’s what’s at the root of the Occupation–that’s the real evil–Zionism. Paranoia gave birth and Zionism was born. How can something born of FEAR ever grow to be healthy and good for humanity?

    Aipac and Obama are desperados on the WRONG SIDE of public opinion. They both have everything at stake here, and their desperation may foolishly push them to the brink on the wrong side of history.

    AIPAC or rather Zionism is starting to look like Obama’s downfall or is it the other way around? No wonder Netanyahu is keeping a low profile: Americans are coming too close to the truth.

    Americans need to know: **No one wants war with Syria to happen more than Israel, and Israel knows Obama’s Presidency is on the line and Israel’s counting on Obama’s desperation to make it happen. Everyone needs to ask themselves this question: How did Obama end up in this position?**

    Will the American people finally prevail against Zionism?

    • hophmi
      September 7, 2013, 11:40 pm

      That’s right, kalithea, it’s the occupation that’s responsible for butchery in Syria. NOT.

  17. mcohen
    September 6, 2013, 8:47 am

     Where is the Israeli de Klerk?

    #Hasbarafail

  18. piotr
    September 6, 2013, 10:07 am

    Attacking Syria is not really a Zionist project according to my theory. To check it, I went to the website of Times of Israel, and the front page titles are not supportive at all. This website is a project of “liberal Zionists” who at other occasions are not particularly liberal.

    Neocons have “armchair dream” of a stable Saudi-Israel coalition against “Shia axis”, but the actual interests are rather divergent, plus they hate each other. This business of “red lines”, regime change in Syria etc. is an apple of a Saudi eye, with neo-cons joining, but most of the rest of Zionists seem openly dubious.

    The Zionist far right (and their Christian friends) are anti-Islamist, and the Syrian rebels are poster boys for their paranoia. From their perspective, what Obama is pushing now makes a lot of sense: being a crypto-Islamist he tries to overthrow a secular government that protects Christians in Syria. Additionally, American right wingers are libertarian in varying degrees and distrustful of government, and another PR campaign based on cooked intelligence is clearly cementing that attitude.

    And of course on the progressive side of the political spectrum that PR campaign is cementing sceptical attitudes as well. The Nation now has an article that the figure of dead victims of the gas attack used by the Administration came out from the thin air, or more precisely and ominously, from the “rebel sources”. With such a methodology, conclusions from “our sources” that the rebel did not have the capacity to make the gas attack are suspect, to put it mildly. And Prince Bandar personally assured in a phone conversation that he did not supply any sarin?

    It seems to me that Obama Administration suffers a severe case of a mental malady that I would call “think-tank madness” and that came up with stuff that really makes even less sense than usual. We really need a good team of historians, sociologists and psychologists to provide a good study how “think-tank madness” develops and progresses to a drastic divorce from reality.

    • kalithea
      September 6, 2013, 11:37 am

      “Attacking Syria is not really a Zionist project according to my theory. To check it, I went to the website of Times of Israel, and the front page titles are not supportive at all. This website is a project of “liberal Zionists” who at other occasions are not particularly liberal.”

      “but most of the rest of Zionists seem openly dubious”

      MOST??? AIPAC sent a letter calling on Congress to vote for Obama’s Resolution. Israel’s minions are busy “working” the American people’s representatives to vote against the will of the American people.

      Israelis can’t wait for Obama to bomb Syria and trigger a larger war that would involve even more U.S. heavy artillery and more U.S. cash, perhaps even Nato. They could care less for the risks to the U.S. as long as Israel carries the lesser risks and they can get satisfaction that the U.S. will take down Iran for them, because that is the wider, not-so-hidden agenda.

      I do wonder however why you try to downplay Zionist approval for this Resolution to bomb Syria by citing one Israeli site? And have you looked at the comments section?

      Israelis want this bombing campaign on Syria real bad, despite trying to pretend otherwise.

      • piotr
        September 6, 2013, 10:13 pm

        I checked three sites: Arutz Sheva — far right, Jerusalem Post — neocon and Times of Israel — liberal. Jerusalem Post is all for the attack, Arutz Sheva is dismissive and Times of Israel against.

        And yes, AIPAC is for the attack. However, in itself, AIPAC is not all that powerful. When the issue was if Obama should force Netanyahu to maintain settlement freeze and engage in the peace process, the Zionist opposition to Obama was remarkably united, Congress did not support Obama at all and the Administration was brought to heel. The Lobby has impressive power when it is united. But on a number of occasions leaders of AIPAC and similar organization were championing some issues while the Zionist ranks were split and they were defeated. Say, nomination of Hagel for Secretary of Defense. In retrospect, the opposition to Hagel was clearly nonsensical from Zionist perspective, back in January it was merely dubious.

        Attack on Syria is also nonsensical from the Zionist perspective.

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