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‘Slippery slope to an unnecessary war’ — liberal groups muster popular opposition on Syria

Yesterday Adam picked up a report of the public mobilization against an attack on Syria, citing statements from Moveon.org and Votevets.org against such an attack. Both groups say that overwhelming percentages of their members are against a strike: 73 percent of Moveon’s 8 million members, 80 percent of Votevets’ 340,000 members.

What are their positions? Votevets argues against the strike on military grounds, saying that removing chemical weapons will necessitate ground troops. But first Moveon.org

It has taken the issue on fully, with teach-ins and a petition drive against an attack calling for political resolution of the crisis:

We urge you to show real leadership in protecting the people of Syria with a more creative, effective, and prudent approach than military action.

• Galvanize world leaders to demand a multilateral cease-fire…

Do not be fooled into thinking that war-making will protect or defend a population.

And here is Moveon’s initial declaration of opposition, three days ago, citing the members’ vote and calling a strike on Syria a “slippery slope to another ill-advised and unnecessary war.” From its statement:

“We will mobilize to make sure our members’ and allies’ voices are heard in Washington and will work to prevent this nation from getting on the slippery slope to another ill-advised and unnecessary war.  We will join with allies in holding national days of action, urge MoveOn members to contact their members of Congress to have their voices heard, and use a variety of other tactics, including paid media.

“We have seen the rushed march to war before. We cannot allow it again. Congress, and the nation, should not be forced into a binary debate over strikes or nothing.  In response to the tragic reports of chemical weapons use in Syria, the US needs to lead in the way in engaging with the international community, while rigorously exploring alternatives to military action, including negotiations, economic sanctions, diplomacy, and promotion of humanitarian aid.”

At VoteVets.org, the largest progressive veterans’ group, which represents 340,000 former troops, Jon Stoltz says that striking Syria isn’t justified on military grounds, but is an act of war that would likely drag the U.S. into the Syrian civil war. He says the goals of the action are unclear, and that preventing the use of chemical weapons will require boots on the ground. Stoltz has had to overcome the fact that two faces on the action, John Kerry and Chuck Hagel, were personal inspirations to him.

First, there is no doubt that the use of chemical weapons in Syria is a horrific tragedy, and a violation of human rights. But, I think back to Carl von Clausewitz, who we all study in the military. He said, “No one starts a war — or rather, no one in his senses ought to do so — without first being clear in his mind what he intends to achieve by that war and how he intends to conduct it.”

Missile strikes, as limited and justified as they may be, are an act of war against the Assad regime. Yet, I get no sense that the United States has any clear idea of our strategic or operational endstate. We want to deter the regime from using weapons but, according to the hearings yesterday, we don’t want to conduct decisive actions against Assad that could lead to his defeat by Syrian insurgents.

If our goal is to eliminate Assad’s chemical weapons cache, then missile strikes, alone, won’t achieve that goal. There is a 100 percent chance that we will not eliminate his chemical weapons. Using airstrikes on chemical sites can create disaster of its own, leaking the dangerous gases into the air (a possible root cause of Gulf War Syndrome in our veterans). But, it’s the ability to deliver chemical weapons that is critical. Missiles or artillery rounds could be used. These weapon systems are legitimate targets, but many could be deployed throughout populated areas as the Syrians prepare for an attack, making them extremely hard to target.

Therefore, ground troops would be required to seize chemical weapons, a consideration that is “off the table” (although we are currently building a large military installation in Jordan, that has parts of the 1st Armored Division’s staff deployed)….

In short, any military action without a decisive end, like strikes, further obligates the United States military to another war, either because the regime will continue to kill in large numbers, use chemical weapons again, or because we feel we must tip the balance of the war. Then, in the aftermath, we must deal with the post-Assad Syria, only without many of our allies. In Syria, where many of the rebels have ties to terrorist groups, the enemy of our enemy also happens to be our enemy. Both sides fought US troops in Iraq, and both sides would fight US troops in Syria.

I fully understand that President Obama has painted himself into a political corner, but VoteVets.org cannot support this rush to conflict. At this point, if we want to help without committing the United States to another war, humanitarian assistance to bolster a moderate opposition still represents our best course of action in Syria.

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Phil, read this on moonofalabama this AM.
“Senate Surrenders War Powers Over False Flag Incident”
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/09/senate-surrenders-war-powers-over-false-flag-incident.html

So is this a go or is this a show?

My fear is that regardless of what congress votes O may hit Syria anyway.
And if he does Israel will make certain that it does morph into a wider regional war to draw in Iran and Hezbollah.
This becoming ‘it’ for Israel—they wont want to face the same US public opposition to a hit on Iran.
So if O does it, I think we will have another ME war on our hands.

I read where Hollywood was laying low on the “Bomb Syria” question. Ed Asner said it was because they didn’t want to be seen as hurting Obama because he’s black.

Wouldn’t be because Hollywood is owned by Isaeli firsters would it?

that wouldn’t happen to impact the general distaste hollywood entertainment journos had for harsh critiques of jon stewart now would it?

No, Asner is on the advisory board of JVP. He has been highly critical of Israeli policies, the Lobby, & etc. – and has been at it a lot longer than Jon Stewart.

He is reportedly saying that Obama will bomb Syria before Hollywood ever gets off their asses. He says people are remaining silent because they are afraid of being called racists. One report mentions “anti-black”, but I’m sure Asner is used to being called a self-hating anti-Semite by now too:

Also, said Asner, unsuccessful efforts to prevent war in Iraq led to complacency among left-wing activists.

“We had a million people in the streets, for Christ’s sake, protesting Iraq, which was about as illegal as you could find. Did it matter? Is George Bush being tried in the high courts of justice?” asks Asner. “We’ve been so God-damned stung in this country by false wars, repeatedly, that, how can you believe in any just war with the history we have had?”

Another reason some Hollywood progressives have been reticent to speak out against war in Syria, according to Asner, is fear of being called racist.

“A lot of people don’t want to feel anti-black by being opposed to Obama,” he said.

Asner said Hollywood activists should read a Huffington Post blog item by Dennis Kucinich, where the former congressman lists the “Top 10 unproven claims for war against Syria.”

“Whether it’s a Republican or Democrat president, or Republican or Democrat Congress — and it doesn’t make a God-damned difference — it behooves us to get off our ass and ask these questions,” Asner said.

Farrell and Asner both say that beating the war drums on Syria is one of many mistakes Obama has made.

“I voted for him, but I’m not proud. He hasn’t thrown himself on the funeral pyre. I wanted him to sacrifice himself. Instead, he has proved himself to be a corporatist, and as long as he’s a corporatist, he’s not my president,” Asner said. “A lot of people have lost hope — with the betrayals, the NSA spying … People aren’t getting active because ‘Who gives a shit?’ is essentially the bottom line.”

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/syria-why-hollywoods-anti-war-623326?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=hollywoodreporter_breakingnews_confirmed&utm_campaign=THR%20Breaking%20News