‘The world doesn’t get it’ — Highlights of Netanyahu’s alienation tour

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Some more of the fallout from Benjamin Netanyahu’s anti-charm offensive in the U.S. this week. Amazingly, Netanyahu has managed to offend: Charlie Rose, David Harris of the American Jewish Committee, Roger Cohen, and Ali Abunimah.

The prime minister did fireside chats with Charlie Rose and NPR. Rose grew more and more impatient with the prime minister. At 33, he busts Netanyahu over the settlements, as undermining the security of the Jewish state.

Rose: You can’t make the case that settlements, which you have continued… are essential for the security of the Jewish state. They may do damage to the security of the Jewish state… The question is, most people want to ask… Why is it necessary… I still don’t understand why you think that building settlements in East Jerusalem is necessary… when the world believes its stand in the way…

Netanyahu: The world believes a lot of things, but the world doesn’t get it.

Rose: I think the American president believes that….They stand in the way of a solution…

Netanyahu: Charlie you’re not going to escape this..I gotcha.

Rose, bridling: No you don’t have me….

Rose was also good on Netanyahu’s Iran palaver. “Somehow you get Iran if you withdraw from the West Bank?” he says.”That doesn’t have to be the alternative, and you know that.”

In the NPR chat, Steve Inskeep pressed Netanyahu about the double standard on Israel’s nukes and Netanyahu refused to talk about Israeli nukes. Good for Inskeep (Though this valentine to Netanyahu by the interviewer was embarrassing).

The New York Times also helped to undermine Netanyahu’s message. Jodi Rudoren and David Sanger reported that Obama successfully played Netanyahu, by getting him not to strike Iran by promising action down the road, which the U.S. has no intention of undertaking. Thus Netanyahu’s angry tone.

Mr. Netanyahu sounds like a man who regrets not acting when he had the chance. In his speech this week at the United Nations, followed by a media blitz and a series of private briefings, he has only grudgingly endorsed the negotiations between the West and Iran expected to start Oct. 15 in Geneva. As leaders in Washington and Europe increasingly acknowledge that Iran will most likely retain some nuclear fuel production capability, Mr. Netanyahu set out what most experts see as unrealistic conditions — a complete dismantlement of key nuclear facilities — and has repeatedly warned against relaxing sanctions until a deal is done. But while his United Nations address included the most explicit warning to date of a unilateral strike — “If Israel is forced to stand alone, Israel will stand alone” — Israeli and other analysts say that Mr. Netanyahu’s hands are now all but tied.

Yesterday, Times columnist Roger Cohen published a withering attack on the Prime Minister’s fearmongering, said he was crying wolf (Nima Shirazi and Annie Robbins have been saying this for weeks). Cohen said Netanyahu was spouting “tired Iranian tropes,” and that even supporters like David Harris of the American Jewish Committee are turning against the P.M. Cohen:

as Rouhani’s election shows, Iran is no Nazi-like totalitarian state with a single authority but an authoritarian regime subject to liberalizing and repressive waves. No, Netanyahu’s credibility issue is rooted in the distorted priorities evident in a speech that was Iran-heavy and Palestine-lite…

Netanyahu should cut the bluster and shift focus, instead, to Israeli-Palestinian talks. In the past, he has been able to turn to Congress and leading American Jewish groups for support when he felt isolated. During Obama’s first term, when tensions were high between the two leaders, he got 29 standing ovations in Congress. But today Harris’s questioning of Israel’s approach is not the only sign of shifts.

Cohen refers to this piece in Haaretz from David Harris of the American Jewish Committee complaining that Netanyahu’s “shrill” speech “will only give offense and alienate” world opinion.

unless Israel wants to continue to find itself largely alone on the world stage, it will have to find new ways to make its case

I think we must all agree that Benjamin Netanyahu is the best thing that ever happened to anti-Zionism. He is personally so unappealing, and his rhetoric is so over-the-top, that he exposes the worst side of Israeli society; and no one in the power structure there seems to appreciate it.

As Ali Abunimah sharply commented, right after the U.N. speech on Tuesday:

Iran of course is angry at Obama’s deference to Netanyahu, and the State Department’s declaration that the U.S. is in “lockstep” with Israel.

Here’s a stunning tweet today from the account said to be of Iran’s Supreme Leader:

Thanks to Adam Horowitz, Scott Roth– and Harold Hjalmarson, who gave me the words “fireside chat.”

77 Responses

  1. doug
    October 5, 2013, 12:27 pm

    We’ve been there done that.

    G. W. Bush and Blair were fed that line in 2002 re Iraq. We take care of Iraq and the two state solution would follow.

    This pitch is as real now as it was then. It’s leverage designed to corral the left into supporting another war.

  2. Shuki
    October 5, 2013, 1:02 pm

    Heaven forbid we offend… Ali abunimah.

    What a disgraceful contraption you are.

    • Real Jew
      October 5, 2013, 5:09 pm

      I find it a little odd that out of all the people who were “offended” you singled out the only arab (abunimah). As if comparatively he is any less worthy. Also a little disturbing that you didn’t bother commenting on the many more relevant topics mentioned in this article. Makes you seem kind of bias

    • amigo
      October 6, 2013, 7:47 am

      “Heaven forbid we offend… Ali abunimah.”suki

      Heaven for bid we offend Rose/Harris or Cohen.

      You should be more concerned about that.

  3. Shmuel
    October 5, 2013, 1:12 pm

    Netanyahu: The world believes a lot of things, but the world doesn’t get it.

    Well, that’s that then.

    • seafoid
      October 5, 2013, 2:50 pm

      Netanyahu as a former furniture salesman doesn’t “get” the importance of respecting the trading partners when running an open economy dependent on trade.

    • Nevada Ned
      October 5, 2013, 9:24 pm

      Claim by Netanyahu: The world believes a lot of things, but the world doesn’t get it.

      Fact: The world gets it all too well! It is Netanyahu that doesn’t get it.

  4. Justpassingby
    October 5, 2013, 1:35 pm

    Mondoweiss doesnt seem to understand that netanyahu have enormous power and support in the US and Europe.

    Quite fooling yourself!

    • seafoid
      October 5, 2013, 2:50 pm

      I continue to find the diversion of money from education to the settlements to be very sad.

    • Amar
      October 5, 2013, 3:44 pm

      His ‘power’ and ‘support’ are thru the lobby (and elements of the msm connected to it). Without that he would likely be the most reviled man on earth. Even world leaders cant hide their contempt for him.

      Sarkozy: “I cannot stand him. He is a liar.”

      Obama: “You’re fed up with him, but I have to deal with him every day.”

  5. seafoid
    October 5, 2013, 1:47 pm

    I would think that time is as important a factor as netanyahu regarding anti zionism. The bots got enough time to do something. Turns out they need the territories for weapons development and sales. Zionism is of no use to anyone. Bring on the clowns.

  6. talknic
    October 5, 2013, 2:04 pm

    There’s no evidence Iran is attempting to acquire nuclear weapons, only accusations, which are not evidence.

    Obama promising to prevent Iranian nukes as a trade off for Palestinian freedom from Israel’s cruel occupation is a way out for Netanyahu, except he’s too stupid to see it or too entrenched in his nut case illegal notions of a Greater Israel

    If Iran doesn’t want nukes, promises never to acquire nukes and doesn’t get nukes, it will only be living up to its word. Obama doesn’t have to do anything to keep his word. The world will surely at last see the ball entirely in Israel’s court (as it has been for 65 years).

    However the Little Red heifer seems determined to kick the sh*t out of the china shop link to mondoweiss.net If only an Israeli Prime Minister would grab it by the nose ring and lead it out of the wilderness

  7. Ludwig
    October 5, 2013, 2:08 pm

    Zionist international network? And Phil saying “Be patient, Supreme Leader” gives me chills right down to the bone. Do you see what you are supporting?

    • Bumblebye
      October 5, 2013, 2:54 pm

      Earwig
      Are you implying there isn’t a “Zionist international network?” That hardline Israel supporting zionist groups (whatever innocuous names they call themselves) don’t coordinate the pressure they put on their governments, or at the request/demand of Israelis? Heck, we see it in opinion pieces in our papers all the damn time – well, whenever Israel wants something, like a war, or an attack on BDS, or distractions from its own violent occupation…..whatever it wants!

      • Ludwig
        October 5, 2013, 7:07 pm

        Bumbling-lies,

        The hardline “palestinian” supporting groups are far more prevalent as an international network

      • Peter in SF
        October 6, 2013, 4:12 am

        Ludwig, what is the problem with calling the World Zionist Organization a Zionist international network?

        And could you name “The hardline “palestinian” supporting groups” that you say “are far more prevalent as an international network”? And why “palestinian” in quotes? Obviously the reason you post these comments is that you’re better informed than the rest of us here, but this particular comment doesn’t help inform anyone about anything.

      • Annie Robbins
        October 6, 2013, 9:36 am

        peter, i think he’s referencing the bds movement wrt ‘hardline’ international palestinian support networks. that’s the only international palestinian support network i know of that threatens israel. calling for boycott divestment and sanctions is about as hardline as it comes. i don’t know any international palestinian support networks calling for anything more draconian anyway.

      • Ludwig
        October 6, 2013, 11:00 am

        Peter,

        I suppose there is a sunny and rosy way of looking at everything the Ayatollah of Iran says. I suppose one could really look at it with rose colored glasses.

        There are far more Palestinian supporters worldwide. From the grass roots to the top academics.

        I use quotes when I’m quoting others.

      • Bumblebye
        October 6, 2013, 11:03 am

        Earwig

        prev·a·lent
        /ˈprevələnt/Adjective
        1.Widespread in a particular area at a particular time.
        2.Predominant; powerful.

        Synonyms
        prevailing – predominant – ruling – regnant – dominant

        I’d estimate we hear/read zionist voices 50x more often than we do Palestinian voices in our msm. Even the bbc wheels them out (has them on speed dial) from their right wing think tanks whenever anything of any account happens in any part of the Middle East. Though I was delighted to hear Prof Juan Cole a few nights ago. Refreshing change!

      • pabelmont
        October 6, 2013, 11:14 am

        Annie, As to words like “hardline”, “extremist”, and “terrorist”, “militant”, “moderate”, * * *

        First, they are emoticons, used to scare or reassure a particular audience. The very same behavior or political position may be described as “moderate” or “extreme” (say by a USA MSM writer) depending on who or what country is being described.

        Israel is probably NOT called “extremist” or “terrorist” or even “hardline” in the USA’s MSM whereas Palestinians (say the BDS movement) might be called “extreme” even though non-violent. (BDS wants all Palestinian exiles to have the right to return to their various homelands — Israel before 1967 or Palestine or Israel in 2013, whatever, and this is seen (in Israel and by fawning USA MSM) as “extreme”. whereas Israel';s own law of return is not seen as “extreme” in USA’s MSM.

        But BACK TO N’yahu: His rants are Iran-as-Hitler “heavy” and Palestine-light. In short, they ignore Israel’s actual and malignant role in the world in favor of a fairy-story about Israel’s danger. His is the politics of deflection, of misleading.

        It’s time for us all to call, loudly, for decoupling, whereby the Palestine problem (or the smaller problems of occupation and settlements and international law) are talked about INDEPENDENT of any question about peace-making (or the lack thereof or the goals thereof).

        Talking about Israel’s crimes must not be allowed to be seen as “extremist” or “hard-line” just because N’yahu is ranting about Iran or Nukes (not his own of course), etc.

      • amigo
        October 6, 2013, 12:28 pm

        “Bumbling-lies,” ludwig to Bumblebye

        A small reminder ludewig.

        “I would please ask the moderators to remove comments that seek to attack me because of my name. My name is Ludwig. I won’t respond to this commenter making fun of my name other than to say that is not appropriate. If you would like a response on the substance of my posts then you should address me by my stated name with respect.” ludwig

        We will catch you out very time ludwig and you make it very easy to do so.

      • talknic
        October 6, 2013, 12:46 pm

        Ludwig “The hardline “palestinian” supporting groups are far more prevalent as an international network”

        I think statistics are needed for these claims

      • seafoid
        October 6, 2013, 1:27 pm

        Earwig’s use of “hardline” goes with the Israeli right’s dissing of “extremist Leftists” where “extremist Leftist” corresponds to Cliff from Cheers.

      • miriam6
        October 6, 2013, 2:28 pm

        seafoid@;

        His name is LUDWIG!

        LUDWIG- LUDWIG- LUDWIG-LUDWIG!
        You are so rude..
        You wouldn’t dream of referring to ‘Earwig’ Van Beethoven would you?

        LUDWIG is an beautiful lovely name with excellent pedigree.
        Have some manners and address him by his real username please.

      • Bumblebye
        October 6, 2013, 4:26 pm

        Hey amigo, I didn’t mind!
        The lying little kahanist was only ‘projecting’.
        I recall that ‘offally’ polite comment – but Earwig has no problem with persistently using “palestinian” instead of Palestinian. Pops up in two replies to me on different threads just yesterday, and that *does* bother me! I thought it was banned?

      • Woody Tanaka
        October 10, 2013, 8:41 am

        His name is LUDWIG!

        LUDWIG- LUDWIG- LUDWIG-LUDWIG!

        Hey, look! Earwig’s mom showed up. LOL

    • Philip Weiss
      October 5, 2013, 3:33 pm

      You’re right Ludwig, that was a bad joke. I took it out. Phil

      • German Lefty
        October 5, 2013, 3:49 pm

        You’re right Ludwig, that was a bad joke. I took it out.

        Too bad. I found it funny.

    • Justpassingby
      October 5, 2013, 3:44 pm

      So terms give you “chills” but not racism, occupation and apartheid? YOU give me the chills.

    • yrn
      October 5, 2013, 3:52 pm

      Ludwig
      Zionist international network?
      It should remain , so people can read Phil’s Agenda.
      He has taken it out, but it dose not cover his real Agenda.

      • Hostage
        October 5, 2013, 9:23 pm

        Zionist international network?
        It should remain , so people can read Phil’s Agenda.
        He has taken it out, but it dose not cover his real Agenda.

        So long as the WZO has a division for illegal settlement that operates out of the Prime Minister’s office and it is supported by local federations, like the ZOA, what the f*ck is wrong with calling it a Zionist international network or a joint criminal conspiracy for that matter? Your agenda is the one that’s unacceptable, not Phil’s.

      • Ludwig
        October 5, 2013, 9:35 pm

        Watch your language hostage those sort of curse words are not tolerated in civilized debate.

      • Hostage
        October 6, 2013, 3:01 am

        Watch your language hostage those sort of curse words are not tolerated in civilized debate.

        Well I don’t think asking WTF? can be harmful, since there is nothing to debate in this case.

        It’s a matter of public record that an international network, composed of the World Zionist Organization and its affiliated national federations openly perpetrate war crimes as defined by the Rome Statute and the Protocols of the Geneva Conventions through the agency of the WZO Settlement Division, located in the Israeli Prime Minister’s office.

      • amigo
        October 6, 2013, 8:04 am

        “Watch your language hostage those sort of curse words are not tolerated in civilized debate.”ludvig

        You would much prefer to hear words such as ,

        “There are no Palestinians” or

        “Break their legs” or

        “Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.”

        Zionism is a curse and apologists such as you are cursed.

      • Elliot
        October 6, 2013, 3:44 pm

        The Zionist international network was absolutely essential at key moments in the State of Israel’s development. For example, there was no legal Israeli framework for colonizing the West Bank. The Zionist international network (WZO and others) provided that.

    • just
      October 5, 2013, 3:59 pm

      Ludwig– it’s past time for Zionists to “chill out”. Their very own “Supreme Leader” is marginalized now– because he is a cruel warmonger.

      The fervent Zionists keep on electing this awful man.

      • yrn
        October 6, 2013, 3:30 pm

        Weiss regards himself as an anti-Zionist while, as far as his language is concerned, he actually manifests every possible Zionist symptom. “Silence” on issues to do with Zionist power is “bad for Jews,” says Weiss. Like any Hasbara parrot he repeats the old mantra of ‘good’ vs. ‘bad’ for the Jews.

      • seafoid
        October 6, 2013, 4:28 pm

        Zionism is in the terminal phase , yrn. Most of the people here are ready for post Zionism.

        I do not know how anyone doing any sort of thinking about the current state of Israel could still be a Zionist .

        It was such a great opportunity for a Jewish Vorsprung and they blew it. Ended up as an ethnocentric racist collective . Can you believe that ?
        The smartest people in the world and they ended up as a collective of ethnocentric racists.

        Who woulda thunk it ?

        ” If there’s one thing I can’t abide, it’s an ethnocentric racist”

      • German Lefty
        October 6, 2013, 4:36 pm

        I do not know how anyone doing any sort of thinking about the current state of Israel could still be a Zionist .

        Well said!

      • yrn
        October 7, 2013, 4:01 pm

        LG
        seafiod writes
        “I do not know how anyone doing any sort of thinking about the current state of Israel could still be a Zionist .”
        and then mentions
        “They are the smartest people in the world”
        So maybe they are right and you are wrong, as they are smarter then you and Seafiod and smart people understand things that less smart people don’t understand and since there are Million Zionists and not just a few and they are smarter, they understand better then less smarter people as seafiod quotes.

      • German Lefty
        October 8, 2013, 6:19 am

        @ yrn

        So maybe they are right and you are wrong, as they are smarter then you and Seafiod and smart people understand things that less smart people don’t understand and since there are Million Zionists and not just a few and they are smarter, they understand better then less smarter people as seafiod quotes.

        If you Zionists were truly smart, then you would know that the word is spelt “than” and not “then”.
        Besides, smarts and racism aren’t mutually exclusive. As I already stated in previous posts, there are two kinds of racists:
        1) those who unknowingly support injustice
        2) those who knowingly support injustice
        The first group of people are simply ignorant, whereas the second group of people are evil.
        To which group do you think you belong?

      • yrn
        October 8, 2013, 10:55 am

        “If you Zionists were truly smart, ”
        LG
        I didn’t say Zionist are smart, blame seafoid , you Anti Zionist have to make up your minds, as you sound unorganized.

      • German Lefty
        October 8, 2013, 4:58 pm

        I didn’t say Zionist are smart, blame seafoid , you Anti Zionist have to make up your minds, as you sound unorganized.

        At least you now get our names right.
        Perhaps I need to explain to you what the word “anti-Zionist” actually means. What all anti-Zionists have in common is that we oppose the existence of the Jewish supremacist state. Our opinions on other issues, however, can be divided. This has nothing to do with being unorganised.
        Besides, as I already told you in my previous post, smarts and racism aren’t mutually exclusive. Therefore, I don’t contradict seafoid.

  8. HarryLaw
    October 5, 2013, 2:38 pm

    How is it that Obama can continue to contradict all 16 US intelligence agencies assessments that Iran is not building a nuclear device, in this interview he say’s Iran is 1 year away from the bomb, link to presstv.ir How can this compulsive liar get away with it?

    • Justpassingby
      October 5, 2013, 3:46 pm

      Still Phil say netanyahu is isolated..how can he be isolated when obama support his rhetoric?!

    • RoHa
      October 5, 2013, 10:04 pm

      But the latest I read was that Iran is just six months away from the bomb!

      link to mondoweiss.net

    • ziusudra
      October 5, 2013, 11:48 pm

      Greetings Harry Law,
      The US is paying for 16 agencies to gather intelligence to be the eye atop the pyramid, but denies the evidence found!
      Reminds me of’ Mr Blooomers after 5 o’ clock of the 30s & 40s, who chased non existant commies, but not the Mafia- because they knew he wore bloomers!
      His Name? J.Edgar Hoover; mr FBI!
      ziusudra

  9. Citizen
    October 5, 2013, 3:10 pm

    From Phil’s article here, I get the impression if just a small part of a single interviewer’s finger is removed from the velvet glove handling of Netanyahu, that’s a major victory for truth, justice, and the American way. Pretty wimpy composite American press. Bibi still seems to be the Superman, not Uncle Sam.

    • Shingo
      October 5, 2013, 5:28 pm

      That’s very true Citizen. That is why the lobby and Israel’s agents are so vigilant in controlling the message and shutting down dissent. Their narrative is so very fragile and their ideology so repugnant that were they ever to be challenged, they would come completely unstuck and expose themselves to the public. What’s more is that they know it.

      If Charlie Rose had gone for the jugular, he could have driven Bibbi to the point of complete meltdown.

  10. Egbert
    October 5, 2013, 4:27 pm

    “Supreme Leader” isn’t right at all.

    “King David II”, now that’s where it’s at.

  11. Amar
    October 5, 2013, 4:55 pm

    Notice how ‘yahu keeps interrupting Rose? Not to make or clarify any points, but purely to disrupt Rose when he senses that he may throw something at him difficult to explain away. I think yahu is much more conscious about himself vs an increasingly more aware audience than ever before.

  12. Shingo
    October 5, 2013, 5:08 pm

    Netanyahu: Charlie you’re not going to escape this..I gotcha.

    What a strange thing today when you’re the one who’s cornered!!

    • Dutch
      October 5, 2013, 7:55 pm

      Sure, but the guy got away with it for decades. It’s the only act he knows. And hey — see where it brought him. King David II. Rise and Fall, final act.

  13. ivri
    October 5, 2013, 5:45 pm

    There is too much focus here on the PR side of things. In the end the essence of things is what will win the day. That is, if the Iranians really decided to back off in order to really improve own world status and relations with the West then that will win. If however they are bluffing, and that will become clear quickly, the charm offensive will be over and all will return to where it was before

    • just
      October 6, 2013, 12:15 pm

      Where were we?

      Israel has nuclear weapons and still dictates, preaches and threatens the world that does not.

      S#$$ howdy There is never enough focus on truth and concomitant reality among hypocrital nations– including the US and Israel.

  14. a blah chick
    October 5, 2013, 6:51 pm

    Anyone else notice how he kept reaching out to touch Rose on the arm? In the world of body language that is a gesture meant to intimidate and signals an attempt to dominate. And that is how Mr. Sara operates. He cannot win arguments through their merits he can only bully.

    By the way did he answer ANY of Rose’s questions?

  15. traintosiberia
    October 5, 2013, 8:32 pm

    US have a lot of leverage over Israel It works when US knows that it has no alternative Media falls in line accordingly. I hope the grass root pressure on the servile congress starts germinating and sprouting That spectacle will force the permanently bent and stooped lawmakers to make an effort to straighten the postures

    • ziusudra
      October 6, 2013, 12:01 am

      Greetings,
      We, the People have – no power -.
      Imperial US now realizes itself that this is ne’er going to end,
      regardless of who’s in office.
      The UK lost ist empire due to 2 WW’s.
      We no longer have the money to fight Syria much less Iran.
      Let’s hope that the neo cold war of Iran, Syria, Russia & China
      vs the US, Israel, Europe chills us out for the next 50 yrs.
      We remember the mother turtle, who when leaving left enough
      food for the 2 babies saying eat only when you are hungry.
      They mistrusted eachother so much that they eyed eachother as
      to who would make the first move, – they died of starvation!-
      ziusudra

  16. kayq
    October 6, 2013, 5:44 am

    Netanyahu and the Israelis have dug themselves into a ditch.

    • Annie Robbins
      October 6, 2013, 9:32 am

      smart/concise, i agree.

      • kayq
        October 7, 2013, 6:57 am

        and they seem to keep digging further…

    • ivri
      October 6, 2013, 11:17 am

      Kayq: ” Netanyahu and the Israelis dug themselves into a ditch”
      Those who yearn for that to happen will see it (and everything else) that way. In reality, there is a chance here to avert a war, which serves everybody`s interest, Iranians and Israelis alike, and that`s a good thing. Even if it is just a slim hope it needs to be explored. Netanyahu is playing here the “bad cop” vis-à-vis Iran, which, as usual, is helpful for the “good cop”, and the “bad cop” never looks good. If the move succeeds and Iranian nuclear and a war over it are averted then let the “good cop”, Obama, take the credit – why not? If however it fails then “the cops” will surely reunite in their original goal – maybe even more resolute than before.

      • Shingo
        October 7, 2013, 5:18 pm

        Netanyahu is playing here the “bad cop” vis-à-vis Iran, which, as usual, is helpful for the “good cop”, and the “bad cop” never looks good.

        Except that it’s usually understood that the guy playing bad cop is supposed to be in on the charade. Instead, Bibbi is reading from his own script, and has always looked bad.

      • kayq
        October 7, 2013, 11:52 pm

        I was referring to settlements more than Iran. As for your comment, I agree with Shingo. There’s no “playing” here

      • Annie Robbins
        October 8, 2013, 1:41 am

        Netanyahu is playing here the “bad cop” vis-à-vis Iran, which, as usual, is helpful for the “good cop”, and the “bad cop” never looks good. If the move succeeds and Iranian nuclear and a war over it are averted then let the “good cop”, Obama, take the credit – why not?

        you mean “let” the good cop take the credit while everyone knows it’s only because of israel screaming at us for decades war was averted?

        seriously, do you think we’re all idiots? israel is already crowing all over the place nothing would be in place, nothing, if it were not for israel pushing us. fyi, i don’t like the sanctions. i think we should leave iran alone. we don’t need to be sniffing up their a**e* as if we’re the police of the universe while our war criminal sidekicks are sitting on nukes. i don’t want to be partners w/israel’s bad cop, i think the bad cop should be in prison.

        the way to avert war is to get israel and the neocons off our backs, out of the halls of congress, and far far away from the white house.

        people see israeli pressure for what it is, and more and more they like less and less what they see and less and less what they do.

    • Theo
      October 6, 2013, 11:55 am

      Or painted themselves into a corner!!

  17. just
    October 6, 2013, 9:06 am

    Every toad that drops from the Netanyahu’s mouth is a poisonous lie. (apologies to toads everywhere!)

    A veritable Sneetch, he is.

    ( ;} seafoid)

  18. James Canning
    October 6, 2013, 2:28 pm

    If Charlie Rose comprehends that Israel continues to undermine the national security interests of the American people, and that of Israel itself, by its insane illegal colonisation programme, this is a very good thing.

    • miriam6
      October 6, 2013, 5:29 pm

      James Canning@:

      America undermines it’s national security all by itself by it’s drone policy – hitting and killing civilians nationals in the Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan.

      America undermined it’s national security by trampling all over Pakistani sovereignty and Pakistan’s borders in sending an execution squad to kill Bin Laden.

      Yet polls show around 60 % of Americans continue to support drone strikes.
      link to cir.ca

      • Shingo
        October 7, 2013, 5:09 pm

        That is all true Miriam,

        But it does not refute that Israel also undermines US security by demanding US support while it commits it’s on going crimes

  19. Rusty Pipes
    October 6, 2013, 8:40 pm

    I think you overestimate the harshness of the Harris piece in Ha’aretz. It is essentially a liberal Zionist warning Israel that they need better PR than that presented by a conservative Netanyahu. Harris picks no bones with Israel’s policies, just their presentation.

    • Jethro
      October 6, 2013, 10:52 pm

      I agree completely. Harris is the worst kind of liberal Zionist: totally unaware that that he’s totally devoid of universal ethics.

      • Shingo
        October 7, 2013, 12:55 am

        Frankly, I don’t know why anyone considers Harris to be a liberal Zionist. He sounds and writes pretty much like a right wing Zionist.

  20. Bandolero
    October 7, 2013, 2:53 am

    After Bibi “the great Iran expert” Netanyahu declared at the UN that he is sure Iran builds nukes he now explained an Iranian audience on BBC persian that Iranians not only build nukes, but they are unfree because, for example, Iranians are forbidden to wear jeans.

    Some Iranians answered him on Twitter. My favorite photo answers to Netanyahu so far are these:

    link to twitter.com

    link to twitter.com

    link to twitter.com

    • talknic
      October 7, 2013, 11:34 am

      @Bandolero Netanyahu is quite insane

      • piotr
        October 7, 2013, 3:08 pm

        Somewhere I read that textile industry is one of the healthy sectors in Iran as they are forced to do a lot of import substitution. And a quick search (at alibaba.com) shows that there are many Iranian manufacturers of jeans.

        A funny thing is that both NYT and WP, normally “Zionist stooges”, took Bibi to the cleaners over that gaffe. One aspect is that your ordinary journalist will not be able to tell the difference between yellow cake and uranium hexafluoride, but all of them can tell denim from khaki.

        This episode also points out to structural deficiencies in Israeli intelligence. In a nutshell, to assist in propaganda efforts of Bush Jr. war, Israeli PM got his very own intelligence office that is capable to sift away facts from bullshit, living only the latter for propaganda purposes.

  21. NickJOCW
    October 7, 2013, 11:10 am

    Netanyahu may have everyone questioning his judgement, even his mental state, but settlements are multiplying while the two state solution is disappearing from view and all others still remain beyond the horizon. I am reminded of a scene in Shogun where Richard Chamberlain dances around like a madman diverting attention while Toranaga makes his escape from Osaka castle.

    This demo in Arafat square in interesting; someone has to call for a new pack.
    link to presstv.ir

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