Miley Cyrus, sociologist

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Maybe you’ve followed Miley Cyrus’s transformation (or self-destruction). The singer has broken forth, at 20, from her former Disney persona as Hannah Montana with two or three sexually-explicit performances; and Sinead O’Connor has warned her that she’s being exploited. Cyrus has been defiant. Lately she said that she doesn’t get advice on career moves from a 70-year-old Jewish record exec.

In an interview with Hunger TV, Cyrus revealed that she’s very much running her own ship and is not the industry puppet that some make her out to be.

“With magazines, with movies, it’s always weird when things are targeted for young people yet they’re driven by people that are like 40 years too old. It can’t be like this 70-year-old Jewish man that doesn’t leave his desk all day, telling me what the clubs want to hear,” Cyrus said. “I’m going out, I know what they want to hear. I know when you’re in a club, what makes everyone go crazy and when the time is where everyone’s like, ‘All right, I’m going go get a drink.’ I know when people walk off the dance floor and I know what’s driving it, so I’ve got to be the one doing it because they’re just not in on what 20-year-olds are doing.”

The Jewish press is on this; I’m late. And some are calling the comment anti-Semitic. But I just watched TMZ live on Fox and while one commentator criticized Cyrus for stereotyping, two others gave Cyrus a pass. A young man said, who’s kidding who, Hollywood is run by Jewish people and he’s OK with that. A woman said, jokingly, Talk to the Jews, Jews know show business. Maybe this moment signals a more open and neutral conversation about the Jewish establishment? I hope so, but I could be wrong. I’m 58.

(Do I watch Fox? The TV was on that channel from the baseball game last night. The ambassador’s team won.)

64 Responses

  1. Krauss
    October 14, 2013, 2:24 pm

    The rise of hip hop is one interesting facet of Jewish-Black relations. There are prominent rappers who have multiple references to ‘Jewish lawyers’. A lot of media execs in hiphop are Jewish.

    One hiphopper even called for less Jews in hip hop(that is, in the manegement positions) because he felt their/our tastes diluted ‘real hiphop’, he later apologized(but only half-heartedly).

    Read Tablet’s summary here:
    link to tabletmag.com

    • German Lefty
      October 14, 2013, 4:35 pm

      Less Jews? What do you mean by that? “Less juice” or “fewer Jews”?

      Miley talked about one particular “70-year-old Jewish man”.
      The Jerusalem Post made many “old Jewish men” out of it.

      • Krauss
        October 15, 2013, 3:18 am

        GL, when Miley speaks about a hypothetical ’70 year old Jewish man’ she means it in an abstract way, she doesn’t talk about a specific one.
        This is basic logic, or it should be.

      • German Lefty
        October 15, 2013, 6:23 am

        Krauss, she named ONE example. She did not say that ALL people who run the industry are Jews or that she would never take advice from ANY Jewish man. And, of course, she didn’t deny Jews equal rights. Therefore, her statement is not anti-Semitic. If anything, it’s ageist.

      • goldmarx
        October 15, 2013, 12:57 pm

        German Lefty: If it was ageist, then why bring up the man’s Jewishness at all?

  2. Krauss
    October 14, 2013, 2:38 pm

    ________________

    Addendum:

    The story of Jewish music execs pushing black music to the white mainstream is not new. (Although these days the mainstream is a lot more diverse). Michael Jackson’s career was boosted in large part by Jews, who helped him reach MTV. Of course, we wouldn’t call his music ‘black’ today but that’s because of his evolution(both in music style and skin tone) post-MTV.

    Additionally, I think a lot of these old Jews grew up with a counter-cultural sensibility.
    For many of them, boosting blacks became a way to attack the white (WASP) establishment many of them were antagonistic about, even though they had more or less made it by that point(this was post-1980s), so it was more posing than anything with real substance. I remember in my family, there was a lot of pride during the 80s when every single dean of the Ivy League universities was Jewish. If that happens, you can’t claim to be outsiders anymore, it’s ridicolous so I think hip hop became a way to channel that kind of necessity to see yourself as the progressive outsider who calls racism on the establishment(even if you’re since long part of the same establishment).

    The Black/Jewish political alliance has long fallen apart, especially in wake of Crown Heights. The future of Judaism, if we are to believe the Pew poll, is Orthodox and their relations with blacks in Brooklyn today is hardly ideal.

    There is also almost a patrician element in all of this. Jews are their managers, lawyers and owners of their labels. When they rise, Jews help them. When they fall and go before the court, they come to Jews.
    Jews are their fixers, patrons and managers. The subservient role is eternal for blacks. This is also how it was during the civil rights movement.

    Jews were the nice white liberals, the kind of white folks you could trust, but ultimately Jews had the ability to assimilate into white society and to reach the upper echelons of power, whether cultural, financial or political. Blacks by and large haven’t had this opportunity. Jews can one day work for underprivileged kids and pat ourselves on the back for doing Tikkun Olam and by the end of the day, retreat into our lily-white communities. But if you live in the ghetto, there’s no escape.

    Also, as an aside: who owns BET(the premier black TV channel before it got sold a few years ago)? Viacom, owned by a Jew(Redstone) and whose CEO is Jewish.

    Will BET in Jewish hands have the same agenda as it had before? A lot in the black community does not think so. Of course, the previous owner of BET sold it for financial reasons but I can understand the frustrations in the black community, but is it racism or not? I think these are tensions people don’t talk about, and when they do, like the rapper that Tablet highlighted, Jews do get antsy, because it does not gel with our “we’re the better white people” image.

    In some ways, our relationship with blacks is similar to the black/Korean relationship in LA back in the day. Blacks and Jews probably have better relations, but there’s never any doubt who has the upper hand, even the whip hand if it comes to it, and who is in the subservient role, whose primary function is to be a victim and grateful to the nice Jewish people who are very rich and very well-off and whose lily-white gates communities there is no access if you’re black. But you’ll see them do Tikkun Olam once in a while in your community – and you better be grateful, and then they’re gone.

    • marc b.
      October 14, 2013, 3:06 pm

      so having said all that, what does this have to do with the trajectory of hip hop from being (in significant part) protest music to a celebration of the black stereotype of the pimp and drug dealer?

      • Krauss
        October 15, 2013, 3:19 am

        It has everything to do with it, which is part of my point.

  3. tokyobk
    October 14, 2013, 3:18 pm

    I think your description of the power dynamics is true for the past, even recent, but in an era of JZ, Diddy and a few others, its hard to say whites of any background have the upper hand in black cultural production.

    And the founder of BET became the first black American billionaire so I wouldn’t worry too much about him as a symbol of victimhood either. I think in fact he got the better deal over Redstone.

    Some Jews, like Rick Rubin seem to have been in a different mold than say the stereotypical mildly less racist but still racially exploitative managers of the Spike Lee Mo Better Blues stereotype. Rubin has never been described by the black musicians he has worked with as other than a partner and peer, from Run DMC on. (Russell Simmons being a bit bit of a capitalist himself).

    There was a moment where Jews served as intermediaries between black and mainstream white society but all the dynamics have changed (for the better mostly) and that moment is over.

    • Krauss
      October 15, 2013, 3:31 am

      Tokyo, my point was/is that all their managers, music execs they report to etc are Jewish. Not all, but most of them.

      That the performers are black is not new, that’s always been the case, so I’m befuddled why you think this time is different, as they say. My case was about the people you don’t see, not in the music videos, but the people who pay for them, arrange for them and organize them.

      I don’t think black/Jewish relations have changed that much in nature. They have become a lot less intimate than they used to be, this is in large part due to Jewish assimilation into white mainstream society. The Pew poll showed 71% of non-Orthodox Jews being intermarried. The vast majority of those are to white gentiles. I don’t know the numbers in my head but I think a reasonable guess is that Asian/Jewish intermarriages are a much more prominent second place than black/Jewish intermarriages.

      This was about my point that Jews don’t live among blacks, and by and large don’t work with blacks. Partly this is about socio-economics, the country’s richest ethnic group is less likely to socialize with the country’s poorest. But there’s been a cultural disconnect as well, The Jewish establishment used to be very concerned about these civil rights issues, today it’s all about Israel and Holocaust remembrance, and occassionally it’s a panic about assimilation such as right now post-Pew.
      All this creates a bizarre situation, where Jews come from mostly upper-middle class households in lily-white suburbs and neighbourhoods and then come in contact with black hiphoppers from very different backgrounds. It becomes impossible to connect with people like that emotionally who are still truly outsiders except in the music business. We used to connect but no longer, because we are now on the other side of the fence. We wish them well, perhaps, but we’re still disconnected and that influence means that hiphop does get a bit distorted as the managers have a different cultural and economic background and that changes their priorities.

      But I should add that it’s more elegant to put it that way, than just blurt about “too many Jews in hiphop”, which I understand sets people off as it becomes distinctly racial.

  4. Citizen
    October 14, 2013, 4:27 pm

    Here’s a bit more on Miley’s POV: link to thehollywoodgossip.com

  5. DICKERSON3870
    October 14, 2013, 4:33 pm

    RE: It can’t be like this 70-year-old Jewish man that doesn’t leave his desk all day, telling me what the clubs want to hear,” Cyrus said.

    SHOULD HAVE BEEN: “It can’t be like this 70-year-old man that doesn’t leave his desk all day, telling me what the clubs want to hear…”

    P.S. What was the purpose in adding “Jewish”? It’s very suspect.

    • DICKERSON3870
      October 14, 2013, 4:46 pm
      • Citizen
        October 14, 2013, 7:56 pm

        Maybe the circle of old guys that run the typical pop show brag/joke about being Jewish enough it has stuck on the pop artists? Similar to Hollywood and the Porn industry?

  6. Justpassingby
    October 14, 2013, 5:08 pm

    Whining, whining, whining..

  7. bufallobiff
    October 14, 2013, 5:22 pm

    Being neither Black nor Jewish I frankly couldn’t care less. That Jews enable Blacks to express their absolute worst traits for a profit is a strange relationship indeed…..it’s anti-music. — ” On one side of the street you have Slate podcasters foolishly wringing their hands over “the N-word” while over on the other side Kanye West is making millions shouting “nigga, nigga, nigga.” We pretend to want to have a national conversation about race, but the truth is that it makes us too uncomfortable, so we retreat into platitudes and sentimentality.”
    link to kunstler.com

    • miriam6
      October 14, 2013, 10:40 pm

      That Jews enable Blacks to express their absolute worst traits for a profit is a strange relationship indeed…..it’s anti-music. — ” On one side of the street you have Slate podcasters foolishly wringing their hands over “the N-word” while over on the other side Kanye West is making millions shouting “nigga, nigga, nigga.”

      Your second sentence strikes me as embodying the worst stereotype about Jews in the entertainment industry.
      And Kanye West is a big talent who amounts to far more than the reductive stereotype offered up by this Kunstler person.
      I think Kunstler is just expressing elitist , snobbish hatred of the sort of music which is enjoyed by the masses.

      Note to the mods; how is it that such openly prejudiced comments make it past you?

      • miriam6
        October 14, 2013, 11:08 pm

        For obvious reasons, comparing Amy Winehouse to Miley Cyrus is laughable. But as the latter’s recent twerk-a-thon debacle so painfully demonstrated, stakes continue to be high for White artists referencing so-called urban culture or Black music. Because no matter how pure their intentions, there’s always the risk that when an artist pays homage, it can be repositioned as tacit permission to step over a line (blurred or otherwise) and enter territory that could—and possibly should—be off limits. One false or insensitive move, and appreciation can devolve into co-opting, or karaoke.

        Read more at EBONY ;

        link to ebony.com

      • Citizen
        October 15, 2013, 11:42 am

        @ miriam6
        Thanks for the link to EBONY. Maybe Miley will learn the truth someday, the truth that poured out of every pore of Amy’s singing and stage demeanor. I imagine it’s really hard, if not impossible, to find such truth when you were reared as a big time Disney kid. Miley’s, what? Age 20?

      • Woody Tanaka
        October 15, 2013, 12:26 pm

        “Maybe Miley will learn the truth someday, the truth that poured out of every pore of Amy’s singing and stage demeanor”

        Oh, please. The only “truth” was that Amy Winehouse was a junkie who sang well. At the end of the day, she was a junkie who died a junkie’s death. If Miley Cirus learns anything from her, it will be to stay away from the junk so she has a long and happy life and doesn’t meet a pathetic end like Amy Winehouse.

      • RudyM
        October 15, 2013, 2:55 pm
      • miriam6
        October 15, 2013, 4:58 pm

        Citizen@:

        Glad you liked the Ebony article. Amy Winehouse was a big loss to music. None other than the magnificent Chaka Khan acclaimed Winehouse’s musicianship as genius – a huge compliment from a legend like Khan.

        Woody@;

        Way to go to slander a dead woman who cannot answer back.

        Actually it was alcohol poisoning that killed Amy. That was proven at the inquest into her death.

        In part Amy seems to have used alcohol initially to ease her stage fright.
        In a documentary by Jacques Peretti it was revealed that Amy began drinking heavily after she met Blake Fielder Civil.
        By his own admission Civil introduced Amy to hard drugs like heroin.
        Her father Mitch said that well before Amy’s death she had beaten drugs.

        According to Mitch Winehouse both her parents reckoned Amy had become a victim of circumstance – i.e. she met Fielder Civil.

        To be fair to Amy in her early drinking days you could say she would have been responsible for controlling her intake but later on when it became an addiction- sure she still had that responsibility – but an advanced addiction to alcohol can be seen as an illness too.

        Needless to say whether alcoholism can be seen as a real illness or disease is open to debate.
        Sometimes it can be a symptom of depression or a cause of depression..

        link to alcoholism-and-drug-addiction-help.com.
        This link questions whether alcoholism can be considered a disease;
        link to plato.stanford.edu
        Mitch Winehouse Interview, Amy Winehouse | Complex
        link to complex.com

        Anyway I prefer to remember Amy for her talent and the things she accomplished in her short life.

        Enjoy ;

      • Taxi
        October 16, 2013, 1:39 am

        Miriam,
        Winehouse only ever sang one interesting song: Rehab.

        Great voice, yeah no doubt. But very, very poor choice of song. She specialized in what I call ‘songs for drunken uncles’. She worked with pastiche music – nothing original about her ‘music’ whatsoever.

        Yeah, a clear case of talent with bad taste. A real waste of talent, in other words.

        A chav is not a genius, miriam, even when the chav is jewish.

      • kalithea
        October 16, 2013, 2:24 pm

        Hear-hear!

      • Woody Tanaka
        October 17, 2013, 7:10 am

        Miriam, you can’t slander the dead. Further, truth is a defense to slander in any decent legal system. Further, what fantasyland do you live in where alcohol is not a drug of abuse? Winehouse was a junkie who got herself addicted to multiple drug, including alcohol and died a junkie’s death. The fact that the drug that did the job was alcohol doesn’t change that.

      • miriam6
        October 18, 2013, 5:07 am

        Taxi@;

        How utterly predictable that you would have a spiteful view of an artist like Amy Winehouse.

        In the first place – it was Chaka Khan who said Winehouse was a ‘genius’ – and I would tend to think Khan is a far better judge of Amy’s talent than YOU.
        Amy was a talented bona fide jazz singer – the real deal – not a ‘pastiche’ artist.

        She sang and recorded many classic jazz standards.

        Poor choice of song my ass.

        Amy was nominated for 8 Grammy Awards of which she won 6. She was nominated for 5 Ivor Novello song writing awards of which she won 3 – for ‘Love is a losing game’- ‘Rehab’ and ‘Stronger than me’.
        In all- during her career- Winehouse was nominated for 60 awards of which she won 24.

        Her musical tastes were impeccable.
        She loved classy singers like Sarah Vaughan and Mahalia Jackson and classy musicians like Thelonious Monk.

        Amy is the only British female singer to have won 6 Grammy’s.
        link to en.wikipedia.org

        Also her song lyrics for ‘ Love is a losing game ‘ were compared to a sonnet by Sir Walter Raleigh .

        Cambridge University students have been asked to compare the lyrics of the pop star Amy Winehouse with the poetry of Sir Walter Raleigh in a final year exam paper.

        link to telegraph.co.uk
        Novelist Orhan Pamuk is a fan of Winehouse’s song ‘ Back to Black’.

        Why mention Winehouse’s Jewish background?
        I did not mention it.
        So why did you?
        How does her Jewishness pertain to a discussion about Amy exactly?

        As for your slander of Amy as a mere ‘chav’ you are showing your bigotry and snobbery for working class people.

        All in all Amy Winehouse had more class and good taste in her than YOU and your pathetic little sidekick ‘ cheerleader’ imitator -Kalithea will ever have.

        BTW the word is AshKENazi – learn to spell the word correctly you ignorant woman.

      • Taxi
        October 18, 2013, 11:21 am

        A tribal sycophant through and through, that’s you in a nutshell, mirriam.

        Amy Winehouse sang dreadful, boring songs. She’s more famous for booze and heroin than for her songs. You might not like this, but it’s how she’s remembered. “Rehab” is her only memorable and good song. She and her music biz ‘team’ wasted her talent on mediocre songs for mediocre sycophants like you. She was never going to be a legend like Billy Holiday – Billy Holiday who was a heroine and booze addict too, but had, by far, a more superior taste in song than Amy. That’s why the world remembers Billy for her songs and Amy for her dope.

        And I’ll spell ashkemeffingnazim as I frigging please you “ignorant” conformist!

      • K Renner
        October 18, 2013, 3:21 pm

        Didn’t Whinehouse die because she couldn’t be bothered to actually work with the intervention people and kept smoking crack?

        I think I remember reading somewhere that her father tried to tell her fans to stop buying her music because she used the money she made to fuel her drug addiction.

      • Taxi
        October 18, 2013, 11:01 pm

        K Renner,

        You’re right about the desperate measure that Amy’s dad was forced into. Something that miriam the ziobot would never mention cuz denial is Miriam’s specialty.

        Just you try and google ‘Amy Winehouse booed off stage’ and you’ll be able to see videos of her getting booed off several stages in several countries – her last two concerts in fact, in Dubai and in Serbia, she was booed off stage. Here’s a clip from her last concert:
        link to youtube.com

        Poor soul, Amy, RIP. She was an amazing contender, but couldn’t quite get there: too many yes-men and sycophanting miriams around her for her to get a grip.

      • miriam6
        October 19, 2013, 11:59 am

        I prefer to remember Amy at her best in the videos I linked to earlier in the thread. It is always best to remember the dead for what they achieved in life than focusing morbidly on their deaths or the manner of their deaths.

        link to amywinehousefoundation.org

      • libra
        October 15, 2013, 6:49 pm

        miriam6: I think Kunstler is just expressing elitist , snobbish hatred of the sort of music which is enjoyed by the masses.

        Well miriam, how easy it is to fall into the trap of slotting people into simplistic stereotypes. I, for one, have confess that I’d never envisaged you listening to hip hop as you baked those Dauphinoise potatoes.

      • goldmarx
        October 17, 2013, 12:03 am

        Miriam: why not? Anything’s justified in the name of opposing Zionism.

      • miriam6
        October 17, 2013, 3:17 am

        goldmarx@;

        Miriam: why not? Anything’s justified in the name of opposing Zionism.

        Indeed.

        I hear you goldmarx – AND I second that emotion.
        I hope to be back on this thread with another comment very soon..

  8. Kathleen
    October 14, 2013, 6:33 pm

    What percentage of record Exec’s are Jewish? In the past it seemed when I paid attention the percentage was high. It is clear that Miley Cyrus is about the money and nothing else.

    She was terrible on Saturday Night Live. Twirking and sticking out her tongue is about all she has.

  9. Obsidian
    October 14, 2013, 11:59 pm

    Phil’s endless pursuit of celebrity leads him to follow the downward spiral of a talentless nobody.

    Our host is in need of some serious couchtime.

    • seafoid
      October 15, 2013, 3:06 am

      “Phil’s endless pursuit of celebrity leads him to follow the downward spiral of a talentless nobody. ”

      Bibi isn’t a nobody ! He is the king of the Jews.

    • Kathleen
      October 15, 2013, 10:05 am

      a waste of time and space

  10. Taxi
    October 15, 2013, 12:56 am

    Not a fan of Miley music at all, but I don’t find any problem whatsoever with her expressing herself on stage or in her videos. The rec execs and her management are using each other to make money – nothing new here.

    Is she “antisemetic” for calling out a “jewish 70 year old”? (Reference to Clive Davis?) LOL! Get outta town! Most successful jews I know make an issue of their jewishness all the time – no biggie there either – unless one thinks that the mere mention of the word “jewish” is now antisemetic!

    What’s wrong with dancing naked to your own music? The young lady is 20 years of age – she’s having fun and making lots of money. Madonna and cher are practically naked on stage too and they’re over 50 – so what?

    What a stupid non-issue: both morally and politically. Too many prudes, too many green-eyed monsters, and too many zionists in this world.

    • Taxi
      October 15, 2013, 2:20 am

      For the frothers out there, here’s a song to calm y’all down:

    • K Renner
      October 15, 2013, 9:46 am

      I’m all for people having some fun when they want to, but I don’t think it’s prudish at all to say that her recent performances do go to far in terms of decency– at the very least, it’s not something that should be considered “talent”.

      There’s a difference between being sexual as part of an act and acting how she’s acting at this point. Running around topless and “twerking” certainly is pretty tacky as well.

      That being said, at least she’s not pulling the ultra-hypocritical act that some young women who do the same do– pulling all that and then complaining that she’s being “objectified” by “patriarchal males” or some other rubbish.

      • Taxi
        October 15, 2013, 10:37 am

        I don’t find public nudity indecent. I may find some sights gross, or funny, or ooh la la – but not indecent.

        Miley’s ‘act’ is more comical than sexy. It’s perfectly alright for a 20 year old performer to indulge in blue jokes or burlesque. Doesn’t bother me whatsoever. It’s just young people being young – no biggie, K Renner.

      • K Renner
        October 15, 2013, 12:12 pm

        >> I don’t find public nudity indecent.

        I think more than anything there’s a time and place for that sort of thing. If you want to go to a nude beach to walk around naked, by all mearns do so.

        I do admit that I prefer a certain style in the sense of aesthetics, but overall I think it’s better for people to act in a respectable manner– that does include not going in the opposite direction and turning into self-appointed “moral guardians”/”haram police” a la rabid Evangelical Christians or conservative/ultra-conservative Islamists, respectively.

      • K Renner
        October 15, 2013, 12:27 pm

        >> Miley’s ‘act’ is more comical than sexy. It’s perfectly alright for a 20 year old performer to indulge in blue jokes or burlesque. Doesn’t bother me whatsoever. It’s just young people being young – no biggie, K Renner.

        I could hardly call it an act, or even burlesque.

        To be honest the only thing I liked about the affair was that the song in question ruffled the feathers of the ultra-hypocritical “sex positive” feminists across the board– ludicrous accusations of Robin Thicke being “pro rape” and all sorts of hilarious nonsensical terms being thrown around.

        >> Doesn’t bother me whatsoever. It’s just young people being young – no biggie, K Renner.

        It doesn’t “bother” me in any sense apart from the issue of some people seeming to think that not thinking that’s “normal” behaviour makes one prudish.

      • Taxi
        October 15, 2013, 3:19 pm

        K Renner,

        It’s a funny thing, this “decency” thing. There’s levels of it. And context too. I think key here is ‘appropriateness’ and ‘civility’. For instance, I don’t mind public nudity on stage etc, but I don’t think I’d like to turn up to my bank manager’s appointment and find him sitting in the buff behind his desk. No I wouldn’t want him to get up and shake hands with me at all.

        But we’re talking show biz here; highly sexualized pop culture. It was always forever thus, so where’s the scandal in Miley? C’mon we’ve seen it many times before – hullllllow Madonna crutch shots – and that was a good twenty five years ago?!!!

        Miley is 20 years old. Still young but not Mini Mouse young. She’s not a minor, she’s a young adult. If anything, it’s a rebellion against her earlier ‘molded’ teenypop queen image. It’s about the Benjamins too. She’s punking out and laughing all the way to the bank. Her song today hit number one in 70 countries. That’s hhhhhhhuge!! Naah I don’t think she regrets anything. She’s having a (wrecking) ball!

      • German Lefty
        October 15, 2013, 10:45 am

        I don’t think it’s prudish at all to say that her recent performances do go too far in terms of decency

        You ARE prudish! If it were up to me, all people could walk around naked if they wanted to. Also, dance moves don’t harm anyone.
        Do a Google image search for Micaela Schäfer. The German press labelled her a “nude model”.

        at the very least, it’s not something that should be considered “talent”.

        I agree with that. But who claimed that this is a talent?

      • K Renner
        October 15, 2013, 12:16 pm

        >> You ARE prudish! If it were up to me, all people could walk around naked if they wanted to.

        I’d seriously dispute that assertion. Some people seem to think that public masturbation is acceptable now as well, and it wouldn’t be “prudish” to think otherwise.

        People should be free to behave how they want– provided it’s not harmful to themselves or others around them– but within reason.

        I don’t think it’s irrational or prudish to say that people should try to be respectful and respectable in public. If not, then they can’t complain when other people don’t like it or judge them for how they act. That’s just how humans have always been, and will continue to be.

      • German Lefty
        October 15, 2013, 2:55 pm

        Some people seem to think that public masturbation is acceptable now as well
        You know that this wasn’t real masturbation.

        I don’t think it’s irrational or prudish to say that people should try to be respectful and respectable in public.
        She didn’t do anything respectless. Expecting people to be respectable all the time is prudish.

      • Woody Tanaka
        October 15, 2013, 4:41 pm

        “People should be free to behave how they want– provided it’s not harmful to themselves or others around them– but within reason.”

        So then people SHOULDN’T be free to behave how they want, they should be free to behave within reason. Okay. Deal. I get to decide what “reason” is, though. Okay??

      • RoHa
        October 15, 2013, 8:56 pm

        “If it were up to me, all people could walk around naked if they wanted to.”

        For purely aesthetic reasons I would restrict that permission to comely young females.

        I certainly wouldn’t want Netanyahu or our own Clive Palmer to do it.

      • K Renner
        October 17, 2013, 10:43 am

        No one person sets the standard for what is “reasonable” in terms of actions. That’s not what I was implying.

      • Woody Tanaka
        October 15, 2013, 12:22 pm

        “her recent performances do go to far in terms of decency– at the very least, it’s not something that should be considered ‘talent’.”

        She absolutely has talent. Beyond the fact that she can dance and sing, she has a talent for attracting paying customers. She seems to be smart enough to know that the talk about “artists” and “art” among popular content providers (be the content music, cinema, television, etc.) is a bunch of nonsense. It’s about the money and she’s attracting quite a bit of it. If that didn’t take talent, we’d all be as rich as she is.

      • eljay
        October 15, 2013, 3:24 pm

        >> I’m all for people having some fun when they want to, but I don’t think it’s prudish at all to say that her recent performances do go to far in terms of decency– at the very least, it’s not something that should be considered “talent”.

        Twerking and tongue-wagging aren’t talent, no matter who does it, but IMO – and even though I don’t care for her music – she is talented. And pretty hot, too. :-)

        As for her comment about a “70-year-old Jewish man”, if it’s her experience that older Jewish men are “running the show” in her world, perhaps it’s not so odd for her to be that descriptive.

    • marc b.
      October 15, 2013, 12:38 pm

      please. this is all contrived, commercialized horse shit. it has nothing to do with ‘a woman’s right to be ‘sexy’ in public’ blah, blah, blah. essentially it’s ‘soft’ porn for the pre-teen crowd. strut there. bend over. stick out your tongue. feign being ‘naughty’ and the subject of the voyeur. and, of course, as my daughter told me, you have to have the ultra creepy ‘daddy’ thicke to ensure that everyone knows who’s really in charge, i.e. a bunch of middle-aged white guys exploiting teenagers. for further examples, see all of the routine ‘wardrobe malfunctions’ of selena gomez and others in public performances or general photo ops exposing their breasts and genitalia. sexuality equated with trashiness, is what this is.

    • goldmarx
      October 17, 2013, 12:06 am

      Miley’s mention of ‘Jewish’ was derogatory, not matter-of-fact. It’s a reflection of her redneck roots.

      • Woody Tanaka
        October 17, 2013, 6:50 am

        Your mention of “redneck” is also derogatory and not matter of fact and reflects on your Jewish roots? Typical zio bigot.

  11. MichaelSmith
    October 15, 2013, 2:35 pm

    As with Lindsay Lohan or Amanda Bynes, just about anything Miley nowadays says is bound to be moronic. How could it be otherwise? Look at her parents. And her performances.

    Relations between recording artists and record companies have long been tense, with many charges and allegations against “record company weasels.” I don’t know who ran Hollywood Records when Miley was there, but the founder was Michael Eisner. Then she moved on to RCA, which was run by the legendary Clive Davis for some time, though he had moved to Sony before she signed. This doesn’t excuse her comment, but the line between the “iconic” and the “stereotypic” can be blurry sometimes.

    FWIW, when I saw the teaser, “Miley Cyrus says she’s not taking advice from some 70-year old Jewish guy behind a desk,” I assumed she was talking about psychoanalysis.

    • RoHa
      October 15, 2013, 9:01 pm

      “I assumed she was talking about psychoanalysis.”

      :)

  12. RoHa
    October 15, 2013, 9:00 pm

    I really don’t know what the fuss is about. Young female performers have been waggling various parts of their anatomy since they were dancing in front of caves and wearing a bit of paint and a badger claw necklace. It’s standard practice.

    And I have no objection to it at all.

    • miriam6
      October 16, 2013, 6:47 am

      RoHa@;

      I really don’t know what the fuss is about. Young female performers have been waggling various parts of their anatomy since they were dancing in front of caves and wearing a bit of paint and a badger claw necklace. It’s standard practice.

      And I have no objection to it at all.

      First laugh of the day for me this grey, cold morning..
      Of course you have no objection to it!
      Years ago – during the dark and dismal days of the 1970’s – before music videos were invented – we in Britain had a TV pop music show called Top of the Pops.

      Because videos were not yet available – some songs were ‘interpreted’ in the form of dance routines by a group of lissom , frisky , scantily clad young lady dancers called ‘Legs and Co’.
      Their appearances on TOTP were frequently considered to be of GREATEST interest to the FATHERS of those youngsters watching to see their favourite chart hits performed..
      And- just like those British dads eyeing up Legs and Co..

      I would imagine you would have no objection to it at all..!

      Anyway – this business of controversy over supposedly sexually provocative performances in pop music is as old as the music form itself and dates back to when Elvis started swinging his magnificent pelvis hither and thither.

      So – nothing much really changes under the sun.

      • RoHa
        October 17, 2013, 7:21 am

        I went to Britain in 1970, and stayed several years, so I have fond memories of TOTP and the interpretive dances. And I try not to think of what those lissom, frisky, scantily clad young lady dancers must be like now. (Bad enough knowing what I am like now.)

        But as I said, young women in garb as exiguous as the current mores permitted – and frequently more so – have always played a major role in show business.

        No doubt this is in some way terribly reprehensible, but you are going to have to find someone other than me to do the requisite reprehending.

      • miriam6
        October 18, 2013, 5:19 am

        RoHa@;

        No doubt this is in some way terribly reprehensible, but you are going to have to find someone other than me to do the requisite reprehending.

        Why would I find it reprehensible?
        I posted my comment because your comment gave me a laugh is all..

        I would think the Legs and Co dancers are still in pretty decent shape really.. having been dancers..

        BTW – not so sure about the badger claw necklaces on the cavewomen though – as badgers may look cute – but their lairs do stink to high heaven!

        Not terribly sexy really..

        Maybe woolly mammoth claws would have been better..

      • RoHa
        October 19, 2013, 3:15 am

        “Why would I find it reprehensible?”

        I didn’t think you would, but I’m pretty sure someone, somewhere, does.

        I originally thought of bear claws, but then asked myself how many girls have a boyfriend who can get claws from a bear.

      • miriam6
        October 19, 2013, 1:40 pm

        I originally thought of bear claws, but then asked myself how many girls have a boyfriend who can get claws from a bear.

        Touché
        LoL!

  13. kalithea
    October 16, 2013, 3:40 pm

    HA!HA!HA! Ain’t that a fact! That Miley’s a card!

    Thank you for the opportunity to get the Miley phenomenon off my chest! It amazes me how much traction this got…good. Truth getting traction can’t be so bad.

    Miley and her twerking exposed another great truth: Americans are a more dense lot than their actions way too often prove them to be. They’re so “easily moved” in the WRONG direction, that’s why Zionists get away indefinitely with the injustice we usually discuss and condemn on this site. They sure knew how to select their power base of operations!

    Miley’s definitely not my favorite person: all that profuse self-indulgence is tiresome, ie boring, annoying; beyond vain. It’s as stupid as Jolie and her Billybob blood vial before she converted to Mother Theresa, got rid of the “love” tattoo, and started doing something productive with her fame.

    Miley’s an over-the-top tongue wagging Madonna wannabe and we definitely don’t need another self-absorbed Madonna type, ugh, especially one on ego “steriods”.

    But, I have to give her credit for the way she unwittingly exposes the truth about American society. Madonna never had a grain of innocence to blurt out a truth like this! Thank God Miley’s still got that child-like “tactlessness” in her before she completely morphs into yet another Madonna production!

    For all who bellow “anti-Semitism!” in regards to Miley’s candor, let me express it as Miley might: The truth ain’t purty, but it’s still the truth, so…SUCK IT UP. Maybe she’s tired of sharing a big chunk of change with the ol’ __boss, and tired of compromising the little integrity she might have left and decided to stick it to him by inserting a factual tidbit in there. No doubt she knows the entertainment business better than the rest of us.

    Nice jab at the power structure, Miley. He-he. Too bad the artistic route is so predictable though. The apple falling so close to the tree, and all… Okay, maybe she’s not a one-hit wonder, but it’s just more “achy-breaky” mindless entertainment manufactured for the undiscerning American mass.

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