‘Muslims, you want to kill 100 percent of the Jews’ — the wit ‘n wisdom of Sheldon Adelson

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Sheldon Adelson

Sheldon Adelson

Our story on Sheldon Adelson saying Obama should nuke Iran, not talk to Iran, has gotten wide play, but it’s hardly the only quotable thing the 80-year-old billionaire casino mogul said on Tuesday night at Yeshiva University. He went on at length on many subjects, often cracking jokes and maundering, and reminded me a little of the late Brando with a Boston accent.

There was also a slightly thuggish side to Adelson’s demeanor, in that some things he said were mean or ugly but the columnist (Bret Stephens), educator (Richard Joel), and rabbi (Shmuley Boteach) on stage with him just smiled. That’s surely because Adelson funds a lot of causes on the right– and why Rabbi Shmuley Boteach called him a “colossus” bestriding the Jewish world of philanthropy, and maybe why Joel joked, “Whatever you want,” when Adelson got his name wrong. Others have made this point today, that the man who wants to nuke Iran funds major thinktanks.

Anyway, here are more sayings from Adelson.

On trading land for peace:

I think it’s unwise to trade land for peace… It’s more unwise to trade land for peace with a people who are not a people.

On why Palestinian aren’t Palestinians:

There’s no such thing as a Palestinian. Do you know what they are? The Palestinians call themselves southern Syrians. They were the Syrians who were left over from the district of Syria that was so named in the Ottoman Empire… There’s no such thing as a Palestinian people. They have fooled the world very successfully.

On the absurdity of allowing Palestinians to have a state:

Here’s a good compromise… I can imagine a meeting between an Israeli Jew and the Muslims. ‘Muslims, you want to kill 100 percent of the Jews. We don’t want you to kill anybody. So let’s compromise. We’ll surrender half the Jews so you can kill them.
And the other half of the Jews will stay alive. So both of us get a compromise. You can’t get everything you want! But we get some of what we want!’ It’s ridiculous. These people espouse the destruction of the Jewish people worldwide and the state of Israel. When they talk about the little Satan and the big Satan, this is not conjecture… they really mean it.

On Islam:

In their culture and in their religion… why do they say the men who become martyrs go to heaven and they meet up with 72 virgins?  I can never figure out what the virgins did to deserve that. [laughter]

But they do distinguish between heaven and hell. Hell– they really believe in it.

On the similarity between the Holocaust and allowing the Palestinians to have a state:

Nobody believed Hillel Kook when he came to this country and tried to convince Roosevelt that millions of Jews were being gassed. Nobody believed him. So no one believes what they have in mind. So I think to go and allow a Palestinian state is like playing Russian Roulette with yourself. Because one day the bullet’s gong to come out and it’s going to kill you.

They hate us, they don’t want us alive. If they really wanted peace, somewhere, somehow in the last 65 years they would have moved one millimeter toward the Jewish demands.

On the Japanese being more justified in attacking Pearl Harbor than the Palestinians are in seeking a state:

This is not an issue about a grievance. Like the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because in the Second World War the US cut off the flow of oil to Japan to punish them for taking over China. This is not a territorial issue. The Arabs have 500 times more land than Israel does.

On his money.

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach: There has not been a Jewish philanthropist who bestrides the Jewish world as a colossus the way you do since the Rothschild family or maybe Moses Montefiore… there hasn’t been someone who has so dominated the field, becoming one of the top ten or so richest men in the world. Thank God. May you continue to prosper.
Adelson: It’s better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

On the importance of female fashion models:

We have an NGO for hasbara. [RethinkIsrael.org, launched last week with the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, per Eli Clifton] We’re going to provide information, propaganda if you will. To give you an example of a couple of the items. Israel has passed a law to outlaw thin models. Female fashion models. Can you imagine that?

We want to tell college students and we’re starting out with a target audience of 18-24… [My wife] Miri and I have well-financed this. We also say that we’re cool. The beaches are cool, the clubs are cool… Did you know that there are more museums per capital in Israel than … in any other country in the world? Did you know there’s a television show that dogs watch? We are hoping to diminish the reluctance of both Jewish and non-Jewish college students to look at Israel in a different way.

On polls showing that 58 percent of Jews are now marrying non-Jews:

Two more generations, maybe three, there won’t be any secular Jews left. There won’t be any need for Federations. No need for synagogues, no need for Jewish community centers, no need for Jewish family service agencies. No need for anything Jewish. It won’t be here. The one thing that Jews have been striving for, for thousands of years, acceptance as a first class citizen, to be assimilated into the society and let go, out of the pale of the pale of settlement. We finally got it, and it’s turning out to be our undoing. We don’t do something about it, there won’t be any Jews left.

On the difficulty of undoing a bad reputation.

Hasbara’s not going to work– and my cavalry coming over the hill [referring to RethinkIsrael.org] really isn’t any cavalry. But with my lifetime experience, I think it’s very difficult to try to convince somebody when they think … I’m such a bad guy I have no right to do that. I occupy somebody else’s territory, I torture them, and according to Hanan Ashrawi we poison their children, and I do all these bad things, and we live in a– we created apartheid. So you can’t get really very far when somebody thinks all these bad things of you.

More about those female models:

I don’t know what the word is, the conjecture is today, as the opposite of cool. Today everything in the young kids is cool or noncool. What’s the noncool word? …

When people think that Israel is a cool place, and I’m not just talking about because they set up a law. It’s a humanitarian issue. They don’t want female models to be anorexic, and get sick and perhaps die. So they.. passed a law to say that. We got to bring people on campus that will go to a rally that is called by the Muslim Students Association and rail against Israel and the Jewish people, ‘See they’re apartheid, they occupy someone else’s country, they’re very bad people so you cant believe anything they say.’ It’s going to take time, and it’s going to [unintelligible] like Pacman. We’re going to bite away a piece at a time. And we’re going to get to a point where Israel is cool and not uncool.

On Jewish gender relations:

We Jews don’t have any monarchs. Except we Jewish husbands who have Jewish wives. But exclusive of that–

Woman in audience: Vice versa.

What did she  say?

Woman in audience: Vice versa.

Vice-a versa. Oh, really? You must be Chinese. The Asians have the practice that the man– that’s why if there is a second life I’m coming back as Chinese, because they are the boss in the household. I forgot what I was saying.

On how Adelson, which means son of a noble, has given him his mission in life:

I’ve concluded that the most noble thing a Jew can do is to be a mason– you know that you mix mortar and you cut stone. To mix the  mortar that connects one generation to the next. Without that we wont have any Jews. That’s why birthright is so important.

Apologies to Josh Nathan-Kazis, who got there first. And thanks to Alex Kane.

69 Responses

  1. Cliff
    October 24, 2013, 3:47 pm

    What a rotten decrepit racist scumbag.

    • Woody Tanaka
      October 24, 2013, 4:15 pm

      Yup. It’s really disheartening that such racist people like Addledson exist and that so many people listen to him. Well, he, too, shall pass!

    • FreddyV
      October 24, 2013, 4:49 pm

      I’m sorry Cliff, but I disagree.

      Adelson is merely a product of Hasbara. He’s largely ignorant as his comments display. Not dissimilar to Germans who in the last century fell prey to Nazi propaganda.

      And before some Ziobot leaps on this comment, I intended to provoke. Seriously think about what you have to say and who represents you. Shit heads like Adelson are doing you no favours.

      • piotr
        October 24, 2013, 7:48 pm

        He is pretty old for a product of Hasbara. If anything, he is a producer, not the product.

        Although it is possible that he spent most of his life simply trying to make more bucks, and at some point he felt a need to be not merely rich but important, in the style of his fellow Jewish moguls but with spending more money and getting more fame. If so, at that point he engineered his views on Middle East using right wing Jewish political consultants.

      • pabelmont
        October 25, 2013, 10:39 am

        Adelson is a deliberate liar.

        He is a public personage. He is a politician within Jewish circles. He funds HASBARA (think tanks that follow his line). He is like most politicians who speak a “party line” in public and say it so often that they no longer think about it. If it is true or if it is false, they spount it so automatically that they’ve stopped thinking about it. They spout it BECAUSE they can get away with it. It is a form of violence. verbal violence. And like violent people everywhere, they act violently because they want to and because they can get away with it.

        Adelson is rich enough to hire whole rooms full of fact checkers. If he doesn’t do it, then any mistake he makes in a public speech is a lie. A deliberate lie. As much HASBARA is.

        Where’d he get ‘they want to kill 100 % of the Jews’ ? Which fact-checker guaranteed the truth of this vile assertion, especially with a “they” instead of a “some of them”. And no “perhaps”.

      • piotr
        October 27, 2013, 2:42 pm

        How about bombing an unnamed desert where rattlesnakes roam, which is possible only in Americas? Or feasibility of Mr. Netanyahu walking on his head “to America and back” which somehow positively distinguishes him from Ehud Olmert?

        Adelson may hire a room full of fact checkers, but can he hire someone who will tell him what he does not want to hear? There are things which are actually more difficult when you have a lot of money.

        The sobering fact is that in USA, Adelson is a weirdo, mocked even in Zionist circles. He is an outlier in his own milieu of Zionist business tycoons. His lavish contributions to politicians resulted in remarkably few successes (the chief of them was to squelch the candidacy of a liberal Zionist candidate for the Senate seat in Nevada, as the women crossed him before by supporting casino unions). After all, in US politics, 100 million dollars is a chomp change. But in the small pond of Israel he is a kingmaker.

      • pabelmont
        October 27, 2013, 3:04 pm

        Piotr — can he hire someone who will tell him what he doesn’t want to hear? Probably not.

        Now he mentioned the Chinese. Perhaps he knows that an ancient Chinese emperor had a group of retired government folks, the cream of the cream perhaps, who he constituted as a Board of Imperial Censors (as I recall the title). Their job was to advise him when they believed the current high government officials were doing a bad job. My “take” was that serving on this board was a dangerous job (if you took it seriously), but what do I know?

        A committee of elders is a good idea, often. Look at all the ex-pols who’ve started telling the truth about Israel, but only AFTER leaving politics.

    • Walid
      October 24, 2013, 5:03 pm

      The guy is ignorant and simply repeating hasbara buzz words given to him on a small scrap of paper:

      1. Palestinians are not a people
      2. No such thing as a Palestinian
      3. Muslims want to kill all the Jews.
      4. Japanese were right to attack Pearl Harbor.
      5. Muslim martyrs go to heaven and party with 72 virgins.
      etc etc etc.

      • seafoid
        October 24, 2013, 5:18 pm

        I think Sharon’s revised gravestone will read “no such thing as a Palestinian” whenever Zionism goes down the toilet.

    • seafoid
      October 24, 2013, 5:19 pm

      Adelson- what does it mean in Hebrew? ADL is the root – it seems to mean rightwing arsehole

    • Susie Kneedler
      October 24, 2013, 10:28 pm

      Tonight, in a segment called ” Sheldon Strangelove,” Chris Hayes played Phil’s video–though unfortunately without attribution–of Sheldon Adelson advocating that the U.S. launch nuclear bombs at Iran. Hayes points out [approx.] that a “first-strike” atomic attack is a “war crime” of “epic,” “historic,” proportions,” that would–because of the “population density of Iran”–“kill a whole lot of humans.”

      Hayes laments the danger Adelson’s “rantings” pose because they’re not from just any “crank,” or even from a mere mega-donor to “conservative” causes, but from a powerful influence on “mainstream Jewish organizations.” Hayes singles out “Birthright,” which, he reminds us, sends “young adults to Israel,” a journey that has become “a rite of passage.” Hayes adds, “And that is what is so scary about Sheldon Adelson: he’s an influential donor getting applause at Yeshiva University” for advocating a first-strike nuclear attack, for pushing the “fantasy” that “peace comes from” “domination,” “bullying.” Hayes compares how viewers would react if an Iranian mullah made such threats and speculates that viewers might justly ask, “Do these [Iranian] people want peace?” Hayes concludes, “The answer,” if it is about “Sheldon Adelson,” is ‘No.'”
      [Approx. quotations: the video's not up yet at "All In" on MSNBC].

    • braciole
      October 26, 2013, 10:44 am

      You left off ignorant.

  2. amigo
    October 24, 2013, 3:52 pm

    “They hate us, they don’t want us alive.”adelson.

    Hell ,who in their right mind wants crooks like adelson alive.He is evil personified.

    “If they really wanted peace, somewhere, somehow in the last 65 years they would have moved one millimeter toward the Jewish demands.”adelson

    What you really mean adelson is they would have just picked up and left you everything.

    Wouldn,t mind if this creep ended in a similar condition to Sharon.Unable to speak or move, but able to think.

  3. LanceThruster
    October 24, 2013, 4:42 pm

    Hasbara’s not going to work– and my cavalry coming over the hill [referring to RethinkIsrael.org] really isn’t any cavalry. But with my lifetime experience, I think it’s very difficult to try to convince somebody when they think … I’m such a bad guy I have no right to do that. I occupy somebody else’s territory, I torture them, and according to Hanan Ashrawi we poison their children, and I do all these bad things, and we live in a– we created apartheid. So you can’t get really very far when somebody thinks all these bad things of you.

    “If our enemies will stop lying about us we will stop telling the truth about them”

  4. yrn
    October 24, 2013, 4:53 pm

    “Two more generations, maybe three, there won’t be any secular Jews left. There won’t be any need for Federations. No need for synagogues, no need for Jewish community centers, no need for Jewish family service agencies. No need for anything Jewish. It won’t be here. The one thing that Jews have been striving for, for thousands of years, acceptance as a first class citizen, to be assimilated into the society and let go, out of the pale of the pale of settlement. We finally got it, and it’s turning out to be our undoing. We don’t do something about it, there won’t be any Jews left.”

    That’s the wishful thinking here at Mondowiess.

    • Woody Tanaka
      October 24, 2013, 5:13 pm

      “That’s the wishful thinking here at Mondowiess.”

      You should be banned for your slander, yarny. What we want is an end to the zionist terrorism and oppression. The rest is your demented victim-mongering.

    • seafoid
      October 24, 2013, 5:19 pm

      That’s what Adelson said.
      Israeli education is still very poor, innit.

      • pabelmont
        October 27, 2013, 3:08 pm

        Thanks for the educated question, raised by “innit”. That’s so very British, ain’t it?

      • seafoid
        October 27, 2013, 4:40 pm

        I think “innit” is London more than anything else.

      • gamal
        October 27, 2013, 5:47 pm

        “I think “innit” is London” London and very Desi, would even hazard more North London than South, in South London expletives are used to punctuate speech the more intense the better, its their culture innit.

      • seafoid
        October 28, 2013, 9:23 am

        You can really hear the London accent with the kids singing in “Brick in the
        wall”
        link to youtube.com

        3:25

        The way they pronounce the “l” at the end of the word “wall” is totaw London, innit

    • RoHa
      October 24, 2013, 8:26 pm

      “Two more generations, maybe three, there won’t be any secular Jews left. … We don’t do something about it, there won’t be any Jews left.

      So what?

    • ziusudra
      October 28, 2013, 7:29 am

      Greetings yrn,
      …..The one thing that Jews have been striving for, for thousands of years….
      sums it up in; ‘Next year in Jerusalem’!Totally meaningless.
      50% now live in the US, other thousands also outside of Zionistan.
      You had one chance in over 2 millenia to create a state for Jews, and you
      took the path of conquest. Now you must stay on that path, you’ve made no friends in the ME. Are you prepared to fight for your stolen existence for the next 2 millenia? Yom Tov, you’ll need it. The US, UK & France will long be mumphing in other pastures w/o aid to Zionism.
      The surviving concept of Euro’s Diaspora of Jews . in the last 2,200 yrs was compromise! You ultimately lost when you chose the right wing governments from 48 till today.
      You were not forced to take up arms & protect yourselves from annihilation; you took up arms in the 20s to robe & pillage with the Gangs! Ben Gurion militarized & magnfied what you manifested from the beginning!
      ziusudra

  5. eljay
    October 24, 2013, 5:18 pm

    >> yrn @ October 24, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Since you’re still here, and so that you might educate us all, please answer – in clear, definitive and unambiguous terms – the following questions, which I have raised quite a few times now, and which you keep avoiding answering:

    1. What are the criteria for considering a person to be a Jew? Please don’t omit any.

    2. Is being a Jew the same as being Jewish?

    3. Under what circumstances – if any – can a Jew be stripped of his Jewish identity and rendered not a Jew?

    4. Can a person be a Jew and not belong to “the Jewish people”?

    5. Can a person belong to “the Jewish people” and not be a Jew?

    Thanks.

  6. Dutch
    October 24, 2013, 5:39 pm

    @ yrn

    The fact that most of the world will think like that is what you should be afraid of. And I think Adelson and his likes are helping this case forward on the double. Mondoweiss is pocket money in this respect.

    As for your typo — it’s Weiss. Mondo Weiss.

    • just
      October 24, 2013, 6:09 pm

      LOL Dutch!

      As for Adelson’s hate speak– it’s like wading into a nasty, stinking pool of Geller-ian hasbara and evil. There’s not enough soap and water to get the slime off, and yet people actually applauded his pronouncements…….

      yech.

  7. DICKERSON3870
    October 24, 2013, 7:05 pm

    Looking at that photo of Sheldon Adelson, I can’t help but wonder who dresses him. Might it be Robin Leach? YUCK! ! !

    • DICKERSON3870
      October 24, 2013, 7:32 pm

      P.S. Sheldon Adelson’s attire in that photo reminds me a bit of “The Dapper Don” (John Gotti) ! ! !
      I think I’ll begin calling Adelson “The Dapper Mogul”.

      • piotr
        October 27, 2013, 2:49 pm

        Attorneys of Gotti family are preparing a defamation lawsuit, so you better retract that slander.

  8. DICKERSON3870
    October 24, 2013, 7:17 pm

    RE: “There was also a slightly thuggish side to Adelson’s demeanor, in that some things he said were mean or ugly but the columnist (Bret Stephens), educator (Richard Joel), and rabbi (Shmuley Boteach) on stage with him just smiled.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Their silent smiles remind me of the ‘Wiesel Doctrine’*.

    * SEE: “Can Jewish Liberals Transcend the Wiesel Doctrine? Countering the Israel Lobby’s Dominance”, by Alan Nasser, Counterpunch, 5/29/12

    “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant.” ~ Elie Wiesel, From the “Kingdom of Memory: Reminiscences”

    “My loyalty to my people, to our people, and to Israel comes first and prevents me from saying anything critical of Israel outside Israel… As a Jew I see my role as a melitz yosher, a defender of Israel: I defend even her mistakes… I must identify with whatever Israel does – even with her errors.” ~ Elie Wiesel, “Against Silence”

    In the end, whether Israel’s penchant for serial atrocities encounters an effective obstacle will hinge on two types of resistance, elicited not from the fictitious “international community”, but from the active opponents of Israel’s ongoing projects, and from the withdrawal of moral and financial support for the ongoing reproduction of Israel as an apartheid Zionist State.
    Among the first type of response are the increasingly visible efforts, which gained momentum in the wake of the May 2010 flotilla murders, to promote sanctions, boycott and divestiture. . .
    . . . The second kind of response includes refusals to any longer make excuses for Israeli abominations, willingness finally to speak out in public protest, and the cessation of financial support for the rogue State. An especially powerful development would be the readiness of American Jews to announce loud and clear that Israel does not speak for them, to distance themselves from the agenda of the politically powerful Israel lobby, and to cross over into solidarity with the Palestinian people. None of this, I will suggest below, is as far-fetched as it might have seemed fifteen years ago.
    Among the key habits of thought, feeling and action that must be defeated is what we might call the Wiesel Doctrine, as expressed in the second passage at the head of this article, which pledges to “defend even [Israel’s] mistakes… [to] identify with whatever Israel does – even with her errors.” The Doctrine saturates the political consciousness of too many older (an important qualifier) liberal American Jews. These are the Jews most likely to contribute to AIPAC and for whom their perception of a given Senate, House or presidential candidate’s friendliness to Israeli policy is sufficient to determine support.
    . . . As Beinart observes, “As secular Jews drift away from America’s Zionist institutions, their orthodox counterparts will likely step into the breach.” Thus, the distance between largely secular American Jews and the Zionist establishment is likely to widen. But this will weaken the political power of the Israel lobby – inextricably linked, of course, to the Jewish establishment – only if American Jews as a whole are prepared to announce unambiguously their antipathy to their… representatives. The political and moral responsibility this places on American Jewish liberals cannot be overestimated. . .
    . . . [Peter] Bienart sees that as an American Jew he bears a special responsibility to act on the words, hypocritically penned by Elie Wiesel, cited at the head of this article: “We must always take sides…. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere.” I say he’s right.

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to counterpunch.org

  9. DICKERSON3870
    October 24, 2013, 7:49 pm

    RE: “‘Muslims, you want to kill 100 percent of the Jews’ — the wit ‘n wisdom of Sheldon Adelson”

    MY COMMENT: Methinks there is something very, very “dark and sticky” inside Sheldon Adelson’s mind/brain (and precious little else) ! ! !

  10. piotr
    October 24, 2013, 8:36 pm

    The mighty do not endure
    They are like dream is a spring night
    The mighty fall at last
    They are like dust before the wind

    • just
      October 24, 2013, 8:56 pm

      Thanks for that piotr.

      Might hardly ever makes right or just, when arrogance and entitlement are in play.

  11. a blah chick
    October 24, 2013, 8:54 pm

    Seriously, south Syrians? They’re not even trying to make sense anymore.

    I commend Kane for wading into these murky waters but who goes to these shindigs? I picture a bunch of well heeled right wing nut jobs with gray hair and frayed copies of “Exodus” clutched in their hands.

    Is there anyone on the pro Palestinian side that is as nutty as Adelson?

    • OlegR
      October 25, 2013, 3:58 am

      Azmi Bishara certainly thinks that.

      • Cliff
        October 25, 2013, 5:25 am

        who?

      • Mayhem
        October 25, 2013, 8:20 pm

        Watch this amazing historical video footage ‘1920 The year the Arabs discovered Palestine (part 1)’ for the declaration by the famous Palestinian nationalist Anwar Nusseibeh about Palestine being an inseparable part of Syria (starts 5:50). Refer link to youtube.com

      • Cliff
        October 26, 2013, 11:00 am

        Who?

      • talknic
        October 26, 2013, 11:25 am

        @ Mayhem “Watch this amazing historical v..”

        Irrelevant as of the moment Israel was proclaimed and recognized ” as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947″ link to trumanlibrary.org

      • Mayhem
        October 26, 2013, 6:23 pm

        @talknic, it is your comment that is irrelevant to the point I was making. There are these snide remarks being made about Adelson’s comment that the Palestinians are really just associated with Syria and are not a separate group or people as such.
        For example, a blah chick’s remark, “Seriously, south Syrians? They’re not even trying to make sense anymore.” in response to Adelson having said, “There’s no such thing as a Palestinian. Do you know what they are? The Palestinians call themselves southern Syrians. They were the Syrians who were left over from the district of Syria that was so named in the Ottoman Empire… There’s no such thing as a Palestinian people.”
        The video I have posted shows that Adelson knows what he is talking about on this particular matter. I challenge anybody to disprove Adelson’s comment without resorting to the typical dismissive banter and abuse that is a substitute for reasoned argument and the facts.

      • OlegR
        October 27, 2013, 8:37 am
      • Talkback
        October 27, 2013, 10:20 am

        Oh Mayhem,

        Israeli Jews call themselves “South Syrians”, too. Disprove that. Yawn.

        Adelson like so many others was never a citizen of Palestine before 1948 and therefore not a “Palestinian” who had a political right to decide Palestine’s future after 1948. That excludes about half of the Jews in 1948 who were refugees or immigrants and who had not acquired citizenship.

        And ask yourself why the hypocrit Adelson doesn’t support the idea that Israel occupies South Syria.

    • OlegR
      October 25, 2013, 4:00 am

      link to youtube.com

      Here ask Shmuel for translation if you don’t believe me.

      • Cliff
        October 26, 2013, 11:02 am

        Who cares. He is irrelevant.

        Call them whatever you like. It does not change where they lived at the time of Jewish colonial invasion.

        These Arabs were indigenous to the land and had been living there for hundreds if not thousands of years and you thieves came from Europe and then from the surrounding Arab countries.

        There was no Jewish majority until the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by Jewish terrorism.

      • eljay
        October 26, 2013, 11:21 am

        Palestinian, south Syrian or Klingon – so what? The people who lived in the geographic region of Palestine were the people who had a right to self-determination, autonomy and the creation – ideally, justly and morally – of a secular, democratic and egalitarian state of and for all of its citizens, equally.

        That right did not belong to people of the Jewish faith who were citizens of various countries around the world. It did not entitle them to migrate en masse to Palestine, to use terrorism and ethnic cleansing to drive the indigenous population from their homes and lands, and to set up an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine.

      • OlegR
        October 27, 2013, 8:39 am

        That’s not the point.
        I am answering to
        /a blah chick says:
        October 24, 2013 at 8:54 pm
        Seriously, south Syrians? They’re not even trying to make sense anymore./

        If you want to argue about who are the Palestinians find someone else
        i don’t think that argument has any meaning.

      • just
        October 27, 2013, 9:35 am

        The Palestinians are PALESTINIANS. End of story Oleg.

    • Mayhem
      October 25, 2013, 7:41 pm

      who goes to these shindigs?

      It’s the incessant, insatiable quest for dirt on Israel and its supporters to keep the pro-Palestinian fires burning.

      • Cliff
        October 26, 2013, 11:03 am

        No one needs to ‘quest for dirt on Israel’. Israel openly commits war crimes and crimes against humanity.

        It’s only Jewish terrorists and supporters of Jewish terrorism who have to ‘quest for dirt on Israel’ because you cultists are pathological liars and in denial.

    • walktallhangloose
      October 26, 2013, 7:30 am

      South Syrians?. Under the Ottoman empire, Palestine was administratively the southern part of Syria, called Syria Palaestina. Its inhabitants called themselves Palestinians, but they also at times called themselves Syrians – rather like the way in which the English also call themselves British. For a few months in 1922 they tried to convince the world that they were ‘Southern Syrians’, because the Mandate for Syria had been given to France, the border between Syria and Palestine had not yet been defined, and France had not promised to establish the ‘Jewish National Home’ in the territory they controlled. It didn’t work, and they went back to being Palestinians, as they had been since Roman times.

      • walktallhangloose
        October 27, 2013, 6:41 am

        The following is quoted by Benny Morris in Righteous Victims page 25.

        General Summons to the Palestinians, published and distributed in June 1914:

        Countrymen! We summon you in the name of the country which is in mourning … in the name of Arabia, in the name of Syria, in the name of our country, Palestine, whose lot is evil.

        Calling on the people to cling to Palestine “with their teeth,” it continued:

        Have pity on your land and do not sell it as merchandise…. At least let your children inherit the country which your fathers gave you as an inheritance…. Men! Do you … want to be slaves and servants to people who are notorious in the world and in history? Do you want to be slaves to the Zionists who have come … to expel you from your country, saying that this country is theirs?

    • pabelmont
      October 27, 2013, 3:22 pm

      Palestine during Ottoman rule (500 years!) may have been called Southern Syria. A lot of Arabs from the Levant who came to USA called themselves Syrians, even if they were from Lebanon or Palestine.

      However, just as SOME Jews stopped thinking of themselves as Germans or Frenchmen and invented the idea of a “nation” called “The Jewish People” (as distinguished from a mere collection of co-religionist people, as “The Catholic People” might designate a group of people, but NOT a nation) — SO TOO (as I understand it) the Palestinians only realized they were Palestinian when the Jews (of Palestine) began to talk about forming a Jewish State on the land where these people lived. The idea of being displaced (and Jews had kicked a lot of peasants off land they had tenant-farmed for absentee landlords for many generations, so DISPLACEMENT was a vivid and horrible prospect) helped make Palestinian nationalism come alive.

      So what we have is two recently “invented” nations, one tied to the land by ancient religious practices, the other tied to the same land by the ties of agricultural longevity and ownership of the land. Each “invention” responded to then-current events.

      For me, the idea of “The Jewish People” as a nation is still a false idea, even with the holocaust (and especially after The Holocaust ™), whereas the idea of The Palestinian People as a nation makes the usual sort of sense, uses “nation” in the usual way.

  12. traintosiberia
    October 24, 2013, 10:36 pm

    Anger of a impotent old man on intellectual Viagra with no orifice to jerk off

  13. Balfour
    October 25, 2013, 6:10 am

    Tuesdays with Sheldon.

  14. mcohen
    October 25, 2013, 7:42 am

    Money talks bullshit walks

  15. traintosiberia
    October 25, 2013, 8:03 am

    Make money by breaking all rules,deprive the workers of their rights ,expand to foreign market using bribery promises and illegal use of connection siphon money off local market to Israel and US use the money to buy media in Israel,to finance election in US to influence G OP candidates,finance US think tank employing rathole s and shitheads who would otherwise be languishing in temp job at Walmart or Mc Donald in S Africa, Canada, Australia, or in US make them the voice of informed knowledge in the land of the suppressed information,usher the in the key ad inistrative jobs at national level,as advisors to people with name and face recognition —Adelson has done it all
    America should understand , cancer anywhere in the body of any size or in any depth – still a cancer .

  16. Dan Crowther
    October 25, 2013, 9:59 am

    You’d normally hear this sort of frank explanation from a left winger:

    “Like the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because in the Second World War the US cut off the flow of oil to Japan to punish them for taking over China.”

    No nationalist nonsense clouding his assessment of that, eh? His timeline is F’d of course, but still…..

    • traintosiberia
      October 25, 2013, 10:36 am

      This is true .But one wonders why neocons are saying this . Their progenitors Troskytes or Shasankites in 40 s would not have mentioned this mitigating factors as a warning against nuking Japan. But back then the agenda servedforced the silence.
      That makes it very likely that a castrated Iran in. US-Israeli box in future will be hailed for demanding nukes and for trying to defy sanctions if a different foe of the descendants of these neocons arrive on the horizon.

  17. Ludwig
    October 25, 2013, 2:07 pm

    Now talk about the “wit” of the HAMAS charter.

    • Cliff
      October 26, 2013, 6:22 am

      Now talk about the ‘wit’ of the Likud charter.

      • OlegR
        October 27, 2013, 8:42 am

        Likud charter (did you read it btw or does it even exist)
        has nothing about stones refusing to hide Jews and calling fro muslims to come and kill them.

      • Cliff
        October 28, 2013, 4:49 am

        Yea I read it awhile ago. It says there can be no additional Palestinian State.

        I recall Chomsky saying that this would be analogous to denying Israeli Jews a State because American Jews ‘have’ New York.

        The Hamas Charter is meaningless. Israelis killed more Palestinians in 2.5 weeks than all suicide attacks in 30 years.

        The Hamas Charter is a meme much like the rocket attacks on S’Derot.

        Israelis speak in a similar manner about Arabs and African migrants. Israelis Jews are openly racist and genocidal.

        The difference is that I don’t inadvertently support Hamas through my tax dollars. My country does not support Hamas. We don’t give Hamas advanced weaponry, diplomatic immunity, economic ans cultural support. Etc.

        So the incessant whining about the Hamas charter by you trolls is all a meme.

        Dishonest verbiage and another distraction.

  18. traintosiberia
    October 25, 2013, 9:06 pm

    “The one thing that Jews have been striving for, for thousands of years, acceptance as a first class citizen,”
    B Netanhyu ‘s father has said same thing in his book -Inquisition .
    He has said that it was this that has brought the Jewish in conflict with the majority common people ruled by the elite to which Jewish people felt attracted and also demanded same status and entitlement. He also twisted the arguments in this fashion that the Jewish were foreigner and they had the right to changes sides in any conflict and had every right to move over to the victors irrespective of their initial loyalty to the ruler of the country. Hatred and reaction to these policies and to these practices were bound to appear – he felt – but he also said that was the genesis of the antisemitism .He said that it appeared first in Egypt where the local Egyptians rulers were defeated first by the Persian and second by the greek in around 500 BC and on both occasions the Jewish people managed to rise to the top ruling class’s coequal but only after changing the sides .

    Sheldon has opened the page straight out of this book. He is right. It has been an undercurrent theme . This is not bad or sinister but if the the royal jesters ,courtiers ,and the hangers on of the royal family get wiped out,demoted,made to lose the power and the privileges along with the fall of the said ruling class as has happened in every country,in every century and in every war – what prevents the Jewish belonging to the same circle and the same class from meeting the same fate . To Sheldon and to B Netanhyu – that would be antisemitism . May be that is why Stalin was called antisemit.

  19. bilal a
    October 25, 2013, 9:45 pm

    According to a former close associate, Adelson cooperated with murder for hire Chinese triads in facilitating human trafficking / prostitution around his Macao casinos, a billionaire pimp, much like Meyer Lansky in Cuba, allegedly.
    link to en.wikipedia.org
    And he is the most important donor to Republican Presidential candidates and other zionist fronts.

    This is the liberal democracy we want to bring to the world?

    • pabelmont
      October 27, 2013, 3:46 pm

      Yes, this is the (so called) democracy “we” want to bring to the world. But take care about who “we” is. It is the CEOs of all those large banks and corporations who — together — constitute The Establishment (of the oligarchy) that is the GoUS.

      As to government “of the people, for the people, and by the people”, we get a few crumbs, like abortion, gun control, social stuff without much i8mpact on the VERY RICH AND POWERFUL.

      And that, and not the “high school civics version of what democracy is” is what “the USA” wants the Arab ‘democracies” to adopt.

  20. traintosiberia
    October 26, 2013, 9:00 am

    Why does Adelson want to nuke the rattlesnake and the Iranian ? Does he think that the way to maintaining the identity of the Jewish people is through provoking Ant- semitism? That he knows also for sure will be given a new life the day after an Iran attack by nuke. What a macabre way of passing the pure genes down the next generation!

  21. iResistDe4iAm
    October 27, 2013, 10:32 am

    “There’s no such thing as a Palestinian. Do you know what they are? The Palestinians call themselves southern Syrians. They were the Syrians who were left over from the district of Syria that was so named in the Ottoman Empire… There’s no such thing as a Palestinian people. They have fooled the world very successfully.” ~ Sheldon Adelson

    Why do Zionist lies contradict other Zionist lies?

    If Israel was created on “a land without a people for a people without a land” then there shouldn’t even be any Palestinians (or so-called southern Syrians, or southern Lebanese, or western Jordanians, or Arabs) in Palestine. If there were no indigenous people in Palestine, then there shouldn’t even be a conflict.

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