Netanyahu: Israel is ‘by itself,’ ‘not bound by this agreement’

Israel/Palestine
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Gray and solemn pronouncements about Israel acting “by itself” were issued by the Israeli prime minister at his Cabinet meeting today and mark Israel’s sudden isolation from world opinion– and signal division inside the Israel lobby in the U.S.

(Turn on the captions to watch in English.)
Netanyahu doesn’t look to have slept well. A historic mistake, not a historic agreement, he says. “The most dangerous regime in the world has taken a significant step toward attaining the most dangerous weapon in the world.”
There is no effort to seize the moment. “Israel is not bound by this agreement. The Iranian regime is committed to the destruction of Israel.”

And Israel has the right and obligation to defend itself, “by itself,” against any threat.

So Netanyahu wants the existential Islamic terror pot to keep boiling forever, to keep the world’s eyes off the West Bank and Jerusalem.

He ends with this declaration: Israel will not allow Iran to attain nuclear capability.

The ardent supporters of the Jewish state in the U.S. have never been in a worse position. They are largely supportive of this deal. They will have to throw Netanyahu under the bus. Most of them, anyway.

107 Responses

  1. seafoid
    November 24, 2013, 9:52 am

    “Israel by Itself”

    Israel li wahdha, fi’alan waheeda .

    • FreddyV
      November 24, 2013, 10:52 am

      Whatever people say about Obama, he’s completely outmaneuvering Netanyahu in this second term.

      Hopefully Bibi’s right wing Likudniks end up creating such a huge chasm between them and Americas interests that the US call time on this charade and leave them to fend for themselves.

      It needs to happen if Israel are to grow up and join the table of nations.

      • Justpassingby
        November 24, 2013, 2:06 pm

        Oh please be serious, if it wasnt for Israel there wouldnt be any hysteria against Iran.
        US and Israel are allies. Period.

      • FreddyV
        November 25, 2013, 7:50 am

        @Justpassingby:

        I know, I know…. Maybe its just wishful thinking.

    • thetruthhurts
      November 24, 2013, 4:19 pm

      “israel is the most dangerous regime in the world!”
      turn out the lights evil satanic bibi, the party’s over, the whole world can now see what israel is all about; eternal lies, deception, and war making!
      better hope you can mobilize your little puppy dog US senators and congressmen real fast. just hold out that little bone to them called money

    • robertsgt40
      November 24, 2013, 4:24 pm

      Israel IS by itself. It’s called a pariah.

    • thetruthhurts
      November 25, 2013, 7:38 am

      i finally agree with neti- israel is by itself and that’s the way it should be.they are the pariah of the world.they should be isolated from the world like a tuberculosis patient

  2. Krauss
    November 24, 2013, 9:53 am

    For me this is a breaking point in U.S. foreign policy that should have come 20 some years ago after the fall of the Soviet Union.

    There was never any basis for a “special relationship”. The Iran deal unmasked what has always been true: Israel and the U.S. have increasingly sharply different interests in the region. This isn’t surprising: America is becomming more liberal, more secular and more democratic. Israel is heading in the exact opposite direction.

    After the 1990s, Israel’s role in the region become severely problematic for America. Bush the first realised this, which is why he pushed for the Oslo accords, as flawed as they were. I think part of the reason why Israel fears that “the interim becomes the permanent” is precisely because that’s what happened to Oslo, it was imperfect but it was meant to be perfected over time. Instead, Clinton ran to the right of Bush I and stayed there because he wanted power and he sold out the Palestinians doing so, by refusing to demand a freeze in settlements.

    This has to be in the back of the minds of Netanyahu and many others. What they got away with, Iran can now probably get away with as well.
    And the option of Israel attacking Iran was always a hollow threat. If it wasn’t, they would have attacked previously. All the excuses(it was election, sanctions were getting geared up etc etc) are just serving as a delay to reach the inevitable conclusion: the goal was to marshal the political and financial powers of the Israel Lobby for America to do to Iran what it did to Iraq. Including regime change. Of course, once it became clear Iraq went south, the tactic changed to sanctions. But this is what the head of WINEP, AIPAC’s think tank admitted last year. The goal is regime change and total dismantlement.

    Well, this isn’t just a policy defeat; this is a sea change.

    • Krauss
      November 24, 2013, 10:11 am

      To just add an addendum:

      Think back the last few years. You had a series of generals and intelligence officials talking about Israel as an albatross around the neck of America. They didn’t use those terms, of course(they want to keep their jobs, but that was more or less the tone.

      James Mattis, the former head of CENTCOM during Aspen just this summer:

      I paid a military-security price every day as the commander of CENTCOM because the Americans were seen as biased in support of Israel

      General Petraeus, his precedessor, in a testimony to Congress in 2010:

      “The enduring hostilities between Israel and some of its neighbors present distinct challenges to our ability to advance our interests in the [region]…. The conflict foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel.”

      His comments were based on a study his staff had prepared were the conclusions of a strategic divergence were drawn, based on realpolitik.

      General James Jones, one of Obama’s closest initial advisors on foreign policy essentially took the pre-AIPAC Samantha Power position, namely replace the IDF with an international force headed by America but enforced by the UN.

      I also believe this is what motivated Mearsheimer/Walt; the world’s geopolitical power is heading towards Asia and specifically East Asia, so why are we so knee-deep in a region where the only major American objective is to secure the flow of oil. This matters even less as America is soon not going to import any oil from the Middle East at all as the domestic production increases together with that of Canada and (possibly) Mexico. China and India both have a crucial stake at seeing the oil price low, so the burden is shared to a much greater extent than before.

      And what else is there to safeguard in the region? Well, good relations with as many as possible, including the people and not just the corrupt autocrats. And how is that prevented today? By overt favoritism towards Israel.

      Mearsheimer/Walt saw the relationship bound more by political corruption and enforced by a Zionist concensus in the media where anyone who protested was attacked as an anti-Semite. What is happening now is simply a historic rebalancing that should have happened years and years ago.

      Israel can no longer claim it is threatened by its survival. Notice that Bibi tried to play this card, as usual, in his remarks that you linked above. The world simply doesn’t buy it. Bibi has invoked the Holocaust in these discussions and people simply roll their eyes. Even the Israeli intelligence establishment disses his hysterical remarks about an Iranian “existential threat”.

      And where does this leave the lobby? War with Iran is further away than ever. But worse, the special relationship that never really had any basis for being that special, is slowly eroding. When U.S. intelligence agencies cite Israel among the top 5 espionage threats, together with North Korea, China, Russia, Iran and Cuba, you know you’re in bad company. And, furthermore, it also puts the lie of the “special relationship” to test.

      The American professionals simply don’t trust the Israelis, and for good reasons.
      Lieberman talked about finding different allies. I think this is a widely shared concern in Israeli elite circles. The question remains: who?

      Israel will find out that there is no domestic equivalent of AIPAC in Russia, China or India. And when there is no AIPAC, no Zionist media concensus, Israel will have to rely on its merits, rather than political corruption and a compliant media to make its case.

      Well, judging by the words of American professionals, Israel on its merits is a net liability for America, at least in the current state of the relationship.
      Why would their Chinese counterparts, for example, come to a different conclusion? Friendly relations, perhaps, but special relationship? Questionable.

      • seafoid
        November 24, 2013, 10:21 am

        “Israel will find out that there is no domestic equivalent of AIPAC in Russia, China or India”

        they should have built YESHA in shanghai but they didn’t have the vision thing, ya salaam …

      • American
        November 24, 2013, 10:48 am

        When Netanyahu went to China I looked up the Jewish population of China according the Jewish world map…..2,500 Jews in all of China.
        Thats like a grain of sand in China’s population.

      • bilal a
        November 24, 2013, 12:35 pm

        Many ignore the political economy of this conflict; there is an immense financial impediment to peace in the region, namely a life or death struggle of the Gulf States and their associated Western Oil affiliates
        for maintaining an adequate world oil price . Cross board memberships suggest further that weapons and security-intelligence tech investments by the US and others , denote a strategic partnership by the transnational military industrial complex and Big OIl / the GCC.

        If we recognize this concert of interests, then the Iran negotiations may merely be a pause with Israel-Saudia playing the bad cop to Ashton’s (BP -Aramco ) good cop.

        The goal is integration of the Iranian oil assets into the cartel, the best solution may be a Russia China separate peace. Israel is merely a crusader state, an unsinkable armed to the teeth, Sparta, or as Moshe Dayan and the Iranian leader have said, a rabid sick dog . the Nixonian madman theory of deterrence.

        Look forward to some analysis of the financial interests involved here, the alleged casino pimp Adelson is fronting for something much bigger.

      • James Canning
        November 24, 2013, 1:54 pm

        @bilal a – – Rouhani hopes to entice up to $100 billion in investment in Iranian oil and gas, from US and EU companies. “Big Oil”. I think he may succeed.

      • SQ Debris
        November 25, 2013, 3:47 pm

        “The goal is integration of the Iranian oil assets into the cartel”

        Saudi gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes is about preventing Iranian oil from having unfettered market access. Keeping that oil off the market is what the cartel wants. Price per barrel will tank when the lid comes off the Iranian wells. I’m betting the senators from oil states like Texas and Alaska are hyperventilating as well.

      • Ecru
        November 24, 2013, 3:16 pm

        I’ll see if I can dig out the book I read it in but apparently the infamous Protocols of the Elders of Zion is quite popular in China. The difference being that the Chinese by and large don’t see it as such a negative thing. Instead they look at it pragmatically as “Ooh what an interesting way to take over the world. Does it work?”

        Wonder how Nutter boy will spin that little factoid.

      • Krauss
        November 24, 2013, 11:06 pm

        The Chinese fascination with Jews is really based on an appreciation with business acumen. It’s also something that’s comfortable to do on a distance. If China had an AIPAC which dictated how it’s Middle Eastern policy would be, you wouldn’t see admiration. You could see, well you wouldn’t see anything. Why? Because the communist party doesn’t share power. It would never allow such a thing to occur.

        There’s also something almost childlike in most Chinese people’s views of Jews. We’re a caricature.
        I told the story on this website before how a friend of mine who was in China got invited to a wedding. He thought it was because he had made such a good impression, but the fact was that the family wanted him to come solely because he was Jewish. As such, they wanted their entire village to know that they know a Jew; i.e. they must be successful since the Jew has shared all the business secrets in the world with them and it raises their status in the village too.
        Simply put: his Jewishness was pimped in a social status game and after the pictures were taken and all the guests had seen him, and heard him introduce himself as a Jew(on the insistance of his hosts), he never heard from them again.

        Jews who work in China, particularly for foreign companies, do find themselves at times in similar situations. It’s seen as a status booster to befriend a Jew, but your function is mainly social. You’re supposed to show up and confirm the fact that that businessmen over there is your friend, thereby increasing his face, or status in the eyes of others.
        Jews in this sense are being used as decoration and as a tool for some Chinese to up the ante against other Chinese in the face game.
        Is this philo-Semitism? And is it genuine, deep or just shallow, crass and even cynical? You be the judge.

      • thetruthhurts
        November 25, 2013, 7:52 am

        neti was called psychotic by another top jewish israeli official recently. don’t think this psycho is gonna just walk away from this apparent thawing of iran/us relations with it’s tail between it’s legs.
        israel’s enstrangulation of america using it’s bought and payed for little puppy dogs in the senate and congress has cost american business billions of dollars in lost trade.
        the recent article about a nuclear suitcase bomb in the us is indeed very scary, but my fear is not from the muslim world but a false flag act of terror from bibi’s dogs.

      • Citizen
        November 25, 2013, 10:58 am

        All the tv shows for the last two days have sang with the same voice, which is that the deal was not a good or wise move. Kerry’s aftermath report and press release anticipated all they would say, but nobody on the tv news shows is supporting his POV; the most they do is trot parts of it out to their selected experts who echo Bibi’s justifications for his stance, and this is never followed up by the host or anchor, and none of the experts selected support the deal.

  3. just
    November 24, 2013, 10:02 am

    Israel “alone”. Wah!

    Netanyahu feels abandoned, and should be isolated. This is saving Israel from itself.

    Let’s see if Netanyahu & Co. can make peace and real justice with the Palestinians– or will they further isolate themselves?

    Will the hypocrite sign the NPT and declare his arsenal?

    • seafoid
      November 24, 2013, 10:09 am

      They can’t make peace with the Palestinians. Can Peabody Coal save the climate?

  4. frankier
    November 24, 2013, 10:10 am

    “Israel is not bound by this agreement.”
    Has it ever been bound by any agreement?

    “The most dangerous regime in the world […] attaining the most dangerous weapon in the world”
    Let’s compare the number of wars and aggressions started by Israel and Iran and will see which one is the most dangerous regime and which one has already the most dangerous weapon in the world. The hypocrisy…

    and this
    “Ignoring a UN Security Council decisions”
    Is this for real? Israel is the state with the most violations of UNSC resolutions, and Netanyauh has the nerve to state that!
    link to haaretz.com

    and finally, this
    “Lieberman: Israel must consider alternative allies”
    one can only hope!
    link to haaretz.com

    • MRW
      November 24, 2013, 4:11 pm

      Another Haaretz headline:

      Geneva deal seals Netanyahu’s legacy: An ineffectual leader
      The prime minister wanted to ‘save Israel.’ He winds up alienated from the international community – and from his own base.

      link to haaretz.com

      Iran invented chess. Israel invented the cherry tomato.

    • ziusudra
      November 25, 2013, 3:39 am

      Greetings frankier,
      ….Lieberman: Israel must consider alternative allies….
      On what planet?
      Adolf is gone! Pinocet is gone! LeClerk is gone. John Smuts
      is gone.
      The US has the west in their corner.
      The East is enjoying capitalism.
      As the US catagorically claimed undying love & affection for
      Zionistan, the west went along. Now?
      ziusudra
      PS Time for the increase of normal Israeli citizens to op. betw.
      leaving or forming bonds with the Falesteeni & its neighbors.
      The Zios are broke. No new immigrants are coming.
      Impeach Nitwit Bibi & his Likud.

    • Ellen
      November 25, 2013, 7:30 am

      Not only Lieberman is calling for “alternative allies,” but Tzipi Livni carries it further with this:

      “Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, who also oversees peace negotiations with the Palestinians, said in an interview with Army Radio that Israel should look “to forge a diplomatic front with other countries, including Arab states that see Iran as a nuclear threat.”
      link to bloomberg.com

      The only country Israel could team up with is KSA. But that country does not even officially recognize Israel.

      Foreign policy based on ideas of victimology, fear and threats to others cannot sustain itself and always self destructs. We can only hope that as it spins out of control, the damage is contained and not too great to anyone.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        November 25, 2013, 11:24 am

        Very good point Ellen.

        Israel is such a pariah that the only countries it might look to as ‘allies’ are the Gulf states, where Israel is so despised that not even the dictatorial sheikhs (who in any case have been cozy with Israel for decades) would dare to openly admit to any such alliance.

        Grim.

      • ritzl
        November 25, 2013, 12:04 pm

        Yes good points. But the upside is that this Iran deal places pressure on the PTB in the Gulf states. It empowers the “Arab street.” Perhaps toward some form of bottom-up/representative government structure.

        That’s decidedly rosy-scenario, but as you and Ellen say, this deal exposes, or at least mutes, the extreme level of ruling hypocrisy in the region. Just that little bit of despotic cram down may be enough to create an opening for more internally-generated good things to happen in the region.

        Maybe.

      • American
        November 25, 2013, 11:55 am

        Ellen says:
        November 25, 2013 at 7:30 am

        Not only Lieberman is calling for “alternative allies,” but Tzipi Livni carries it further with this:

        “Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, who also oversees peace negotiations with the Palestinians, said in an interview with Army Radio that Israel should look “to forge a diplomatic front with other countries, including Arab states that see Iran as a nuclear threat.”>>>>>>>

        Just more bouncing off the walls imo.
        Just like seeking a new sugar daddy in Russia or China—-what unique benefit or payback does Isr have to offer either one of them in return?

        And Isr ‘already’ formed a ‘diplomatic front’ with the major Saudi state on Iran—-only for the Sauds to see the Isr ace in the hole I Lobby fail on the Iran issue.

        So what alliances are left? Only a military one between Isr and Saudi.

      • James Canning
        November 25, 2013, 2:06 pm

        Let’s remember that Russia and China want Israel to GET RID OF ITS NUKES. Great idea, of course.

      • lysias
        November 25, 2013, 12:41 pm

        How will public opinion in Saudi Arabia react to the increasingly obvious links between Israel and their monarchy? Could that be what finally brings the monarchy down?

  5. seafoid
    November 24, 2013, 10:18 am

    Remember all the poor Jews in Israel who don’t have enough to buy food for the big festivals.

    link to meirpanim.org

    How does permanent war benefit them ?

    • Walid
      November 24, 2013, 11:55 am

      Wow, seafoid, billions in reparations monies, more billions from the Swiss scam, lots of billions from the US etc etc etc and 40% of Israel’s kids (that’s about 800,000) are living below the poverty line?

      Not very becoming for a pseudo-European country; you’d think that Israel is just another run-of-the-mill Mideast country. Its poverty rate is about 3 times higher than other OECD rates.

      • seafoid
        November 24, 2013, 2:50 pm

        But you know Walid obviously the missiles are more important than the kids , ya’ni and the education system is so bad most of the parents never join the dots.

      • Walid
        November 24, 2013, 3:07 pm

        Even more sad, seafoid, is that in spite of the billions they keep collecting on the backs of the holocaust victims, there are tens of thousands of them living in Israel under the poverty line. Much of the monies collected for the holocaust crimes went to building Israel’s infrastructures and to build apartment complexes for new arrivals of colonists from Williamsburg and Crown Heights that never had anything to do with the holocaust while real survivors languish in poverty.

      • seafoid
        November 24, 2013, 3:18 pm

        Judaism needs a reset, Walid. It’s not fit for the 21st century.

      • MichaelRivero
        November 24, 2013, 3:28 pm

        Judaism is not the problem, no more than Christianity or Islam is a problem.

        We are dealing with the actions of governments; a very tiny number of people who have acquired power and authority and use it to purposes not in the best interests of their people and the world.

        The Jewish people are not responsible for the crimes of the Israeli government. Christians are not responsible for the crimes of the US Government. Muslims are not responsible for the crimes of Al Qaeda (whoever that finally turns out to be).

        Government under control of the bankers, not religion, is the cause of the current turmoil.

      • Walid
        November 25, 2013, 2:51 pm

        Michael, it’s not about Judaism itself but about the Zionist cancer that has burrowed itself deeply within it. Resetting it is a polite way of saying it has to be exorcized of it.

      • SQ Debris
        November 25, 2013, 4:03 pm

        Michael’s perspective is specious. Ideologies built on chosen-ness, or saved-ness are in fact The Problem. Beyond that, the polity of a democracy is the government and should be held individually and collectively responsible for the crimes of that government. Clarity in that construct would go a long way toward reducing state criminality.

      • American
        November 25, 2013, 4:40 pm

        ‘Government under control of the bankers, not religion, is the cause of the current turmoil.””’…..Rivero

        Doesnt quite cover it all….add money in politics, self serving morons for politicians, gov officials with ‘ideologies’ and a host of other things.

      • seafoid
        November 26, 2013, 1:36 am

        Just wondering if Jewish State 2.0 will have such disparities in income that 40% of kids are BPL. Is Israel’s current social welfare system more influenced than the US right than Judaism? I wonder. Or is judaism an everyone for herself sort of thing?

      • seafoid
        November 26, 2013, 10:16 am

        Yes. Like Jews are celestially more important than everyone else.

  6. frankier
    November 24, 2013, 10:26 am

    One has to wonder now, what kind of bone will Obama throw to Israel (AIPAC, really) to placate Netanyahu ire? Some increase in the annual $$$, some F35s, or maybe a continued coverage at the UN while the eradication of the Palestinians continue.

    I expect Israel to exact a price for this and get something out of this anyway.

    • MRW
      November 24, 2013, 4:12 pm

      They already got it. They’re not going to get rewarded for this. Netanyahu is going to twist in the wind.

  7. pabelmont
    November 24, 2013, 10:36 am

    By number of wars started, Israel is most dangerous in world (after the USA, of course, hem-hem).

    The gov-USA has never prized human rights (except rhetorically), so it had no duty (from a H/R perspective) to seek justice for Palestine — and in fact never did so.

    However, the gov-USA has its own interests and getting Arab (and other) concern for Palestine off its back may justify creating some separation from Israel.

    Biden will never admit that there is any air between USA and Israel. Ditto Hillary I suppose.

    But it is one thing for USA to create separation from Israel and another for it to breach decades of practice by REALLY criticising settlements. Of course I’d like nothing better than a USA-led movement to roll-back the settlements and eject the settlers, remove the wall, end the blockade of Gaza, stop the stealing of water, etc.

    • Walid
      November 25, 2013, 1:06 am

      “By number of wars started, Israel is most dangerous in world (after the USA, of course, hem-hem). (Pabelmont)

      Another study, a peace index based on 23 indicators, for 2012 by the Australia and U.S.-based Institute for Economics and Peace. Israel is 8th from the bottom of the list, Somalia, USA is 88th:

      Bottom 10
      149) Pakistan (↓ from 146)
      150) Israel (↓ from 145)
      151) Central African Republic (↓ from 144)
      152) North Korea (↓ from 149)
      153) Russia (↓ from 147)
      154) Democratic Republic of Congo (↓ from 148)
      155) Iraq (↓ from 152)
      156) Sudan (↓ from 151)
      157) Afghanistan (↓ from 150)
      158) Somalia (↓ from 153)

      and the top 10 peaceful nations:
      1) Iceland (Same as 2011)
      2) New Zealand (Same as 2011; now tied with Denmark)
      2) Denmark (↑ from 4)
      4) Canada (↑ from 8)
      5) Japan (↓ from 3)
      6) Austria (Same as 2011; now tied with Ireland)
      6) Ireland (↑ from 11)
      8) Slovenia (↑ from 10)
      9) Finland (↓ from 7)
      10) Switzerland (↑ from 16)

      Full list of 158 countries:
      link to theguardian.com

      • seafoid
        November 25, 2013, 2:51 am

        Walid

        Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan had no choice

      • Theo
        November 25, 2013, 11:02 am

        I wonder how did Canada and New Zealand get such a high score, they are always involved in the peace missions of the USA, see Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. All actors in such adventures should be scored equally.

  8. Justpassingby
    November 24, 2013, 11:11 am

    Stupid Netanyahu dont understand that the deal is more good for Israel than anyone.

    • Ellen
      November 24, 2013, 12:49 pm

      A blind Zealot, indeed. Who was it that made the brilliant connection between Netanyahu and John of Giscale who entered Jerusalem and incited the Zealots to disasterously take on the Romans in the first revolt?link to en.wikipedia.org
      Schmuel, I think it was.

      The knives are already out for Netanyahu. I do not think he will last six months.
      link to haaretz.com

      His stooges in the US Congress will soon be running for cover. Some already are.

      • Ecru
        November 24, 2013, 3:31 pm

        Nutter boy and his father learned the wrong lesson from Masada. The lesson wasn’t that the Zealots could keep the powerful Roman army at bay for a little while (not too surprising considering Rome had just had the Year of Four Emperors and was still recovering from a civil war. And why do Zionist historian always seem to leave that bit of context out?), the lesson was that they LOST. Everything.

      • ritzl
        November 24, 2013, 7:21 pm

        Shmuel brought up Giscale.

        Per Shingo’s Buzzfeed link in the other thread, the weird thing is that the knives aren’t out for Netanyahu because he didn’t see the opportunity to ease tensions in the region. The knives are out because BN didn’t prevent any deal (control the US govt) and did not keep tensions high.

        link to mondoweiss.net

        BN as the bumbling moderate. His replacement will be into no-holds-barred escalation.

        Completely backwards. Bizarro. Bat-shit crazy, the lot of them.

      • seafoid
        November 25, 2013, 5:22 am

        Their ideology demands violence, paranoia and obstinacy. They need to think about another one. But who have they got who can change the dynamic? All of the thinkers have been sidelined.

        Look who is driving Government. Danon and Lieberman. Very sad ya’ni.

      • ritzl
        November 25, 2013, 11:41 am

        You’ve called it for some time, seafoid. Only so much turnip “blood” they can get out of the V/P/O strategy. They aren’t capable of thinking another way. Normal people just get tired of it and look for the first opportunity to bolt from the enforced group-think.

        Danon and Lieberman may be driving, but the Israeli “left” is creating the vacuum in front of them, pulling them along.

        Unfortunately, there’s going to be a lot of dead people before something new comes along in Israel. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are price tag attacks going on from this deal (“The world hates us so we have to take it out on the Palestinians.”). Yep. VERY sad.

        Peace…

      • seafoid
        November 25, 2013, 12:14 pm

        They are going to have to dismantle their dismal ideology, Ritzl. I bet they prefer their standard of living.

        link to haaretz.com

        “In 2010, the man who was Sephardi chief rabbi of Israel and an Israel Prize laureate, Rav Ovadia Yosef, was still what he had been throughout much of his long life: a powerful political machine, exercising a broad and profound influence on Israeli politics and society. During that year, in the course of a public meeting, he had mused, as he often did, about Jews and non-Jews in the context of work they could or could not perform on Shabbat: “Goyim [non-Jews] were born only to serve us [the Jews]. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel.” And to drive the point home, he added “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.” ”

        Gentiles are needed to keep the cash flowing, in fact.

  9. Blownaway
    November 24, 2013, 11:49 am

    On one level this was a good agreement in that it shined a light on those in Congress who would choose a foreign government interest over their own. It also shined a light on Netanyahu and his true color. It shined a light on the lobby and its influence on Congress and finally it shone a light on our media and their failure to pounce on these
    points

  10. dbroncos
    November 24, 2013, 11:54 am

    Israel’s history of militant defiance and treachery against the US is well known (Lebannon ’82, USS Liberty, Levon Affair). Netanyahu may persue his own bombing campaign against Iran’s nuclear sites with the expectation of dragging the US into the war. I hope Obama has anticipated this possibility.

    • James Canning
      November 24, 2013, 1:49 pm

      @dbroncos – – My understanding is that Obama assured Netanyahu he would not allow Iran to build nukes, and Netanyahu said he would not attack Iran if this continues to be the case.

    • Philip Munger
      November 24, 2013, 4:51 pm

      The leadership of the air arm of the IDF would take a dim view of an air campaign against Iranian infrastructure. The Israeli air force is capable of making one or two strikes, but the kind of strategic campaign necessary to eliminate Iranian nuclear and scientific infrastructure is beyond their capability.

      Instead, they will probably step up their campaign of assassinations and MEK-supported terror bombings inside Iran.

  11. Nevada Ned
    November 24, 2013, 12:47 pm

    Many Mondoweiss commenters believe that the Israeli lobby has so much power that it can compel the US to act against the US national interest. That IS an assumption, not a fact.

    This latest development is difficult to reconcile with the assumption of overwhelming power of the Israel Lobby. The US signed a treaty with Iran, while Israel didn’t want any agreement at all. Israel wanted war on Iran and regime change. This treaty make an attack on Iran by the US and/or Israel more unlikely.

    This is an example of conflict between Israeli objectives and US objectives. There have been conflicts in the past (Pollard is still in jail, for example).

    • Ecru
      November 24, 2013, 3:23 pm

      I think I’ll wait to see what Congress does before deciding how much power the Zionist Lobby has in the USA.

    • American
      November 24, 2013, 6:55 pm

      ”This latest development is difficult to reconcile with the assumption of overwhelming power of the Israel Lobby.”…….Ned

      I dont think anyone here assumes the Lobby has ‘total’ power in matters of US war and peace and so forth.
      But it has or had enough to do the US a lot of damage over the past 65 years.
      It certainly controls congress 90% of the time on anything related to Israel.

      • James Canning
        November 28, 2013, 6:41 pm

        Fair statement, American.

    • MRW
      November 24, 2013, 8:52 pm

      Nevada Ned,

      Many Mondoweiss commenters believe that the Israeli lobby has so much power that it can compel the US to act against the US national interest. That IS an assumption, not a fact.

      More accurately, commenters here have only stated that the Lobby can compel the 535 US lawmakers. If the President had been Romney, yes. But this is different. The President has been subjected to Netanyahu acting like the de facto President of the US. Furthermore, Netanyahu has gone out of his way to embarrass Obama. So Obama, obviously, gave him the rope to swing with his arrogance. In the O/N/USA equation, Obama has the legitimate power, not Netanyahu. Obama has the constitutional power to secretly conduct foreign affairs operations, not Congress. Seen in light of yesterday, throwing the decision to bomb Syria to the American people at the last minute was a masterful stroke. Obama drop-kicked AIPAC, affecting its assuredness that it could dictate the results, and giving Americans a taste of what it was like to voice their concern and win.

      So, yes, the Lobby has had a lot of power, but Obama neutralized it by neutralizing Netanyahu, who is not the sharpest knife in the statesmanship drawer.

      I think, however, that the next six months will be the most treacherous. Netanyahu has been exposed as a freier, and he’s going to retaliate…somehow.

    • traintosiberia
      November 25, 2013, 9:47 am

      You are arguing that something to be called powerful ,has to remain always,everywhere,in all situations powerful.
      Just like US power is decreasing in ME and in Latin America ,so is the power of AIPAC. But AIPAC does not want to re engage to the changed situation. It does not want to reciprocate,adjust,comport with US to see what is beneficial to both.It is pushing itself against the hand that feeds it.
      This behavior is perfectly normal and is expected over any dissension between two sovereign nations. This behavior confirms that the countries often have different interests and concerns with overlapping of mutual apprehension,fears,hopes,and benefit.AIPAC has exposed the reality. But Israel will frame it as always ,differently- US and Israel are in it together- US does not see the danger- US citizen ,out of their blind faith in the good and the kindness is putting themselves in the harms way and Israel has a responsibility to correct it. Congress then regurgitates it. So does the Churches. Whenever necessarry these organizations will pick up new cues from AIPAC to remain a passive thinker and active supporters. Israel has exhausted the possibilities of convincing US that US interest is best explained and served by listening to AIPAC. So it is going out on a damaged limb exposing the defects,the injuries,and the gaps between US and Israel . This is why Israel is threatening.
      Israel also reminds of the threat in 1990 While Israel was working on Thatcher to build the narrative against Saddam, it was also threatening that it would attack Iraq if US did not.

  12. bilal a
    November 24, 2013, 12:50 pm

    Zbig Brzezinski: Obama Administration Should Tell Israel U.S. Will Attack Israeli Jets if They Try to Attack Iran
    link to abcnews.go.com

    occupiedpalestine [email protected] 1h
    @zbig Oh why? Netanyahu said long time ago: ‘America is a thing you can move very easily

    Ben Shapiro [email protected] 12h
    And here’s Obama’s former foreign policy wonk from 2008, on how the Joos run American foreign policy:

    Robert Danin [email protected] 8h
    One casualty of US-Iran deal: #Israel-#Palestine peace talks (if they had stood any chance anyway).
    Retweeted by Jeffrey Goldberg

    • James Canning
      November 24, 2013, 2:29 pm

      I think Zbig Brzezinski was quite right, to argue Israel should not be allowed to use Iraqi airspace to attack Iran and injure the US in the process.

  13. EUR1069
    November 24, 2013, 1:14 pm

    Geneva signifies the first crack on the Zionist chokehold on the US policy in the ME. Is the tide turning?

    • Justpassingby
      November 24, 2013, 2:04 pm

      Crack? If it wasnt for Israel there wouldnt be the hysteria against Iran.

    • Mike_Konrad
      November 24, 2013, 2:34 pm

      Geneva signifies the first crack on the Zionist chokehold on the US policy in the ME. Is the tide turning?

      No matter how much one sympathizes with the Palestinians, one cannot ignore Iran.

      Obama made a horrible mistake. This is Munich all over again.

      • seafoid
        November 24, 2013, 10:52 pm

        Groundhog day. It is always munich in Israel.

      • Chu
        November 25, 2013, 1:39 pm

        agree. In their national psyche – WWII never ended for Israel.

      • seafoid
        November 25, 2013, 2:14 pm

        It’s always WW2 because they can never be at peace. It’s the Jewish prison.

        Edward Said

        link to lrb.co.uk

        “The common battle against poverty, injustice and militarism must now be joined seriously, and without the ritual demands for psychological security for Israelis – who if they don’t have it now, never will”.

      • EUR1069
        November 24, 2013, 11:27 pm

        Mike, Geneva 2013 was Munich 1938 backwards: the mightiest military power in the ME equipped with 300+ nukes & ready to start yet another war was NOT given what it wanted by an international conference. Ever took History in school?

    • just
      November 24, 2013, 3:36 pm

      I fervently hope so. I’m all hopey- changey right now, all over again.

      I’m betting that it’s more than a “crack”– it’s a fissure. I also hope that this is the trumpet call for justice and apologies to the Palestinians who have waited so patiently and suffered unconscionable wrongs so steadfastly, always maintaining their beautiful souls and dignity.

  14. James Canning
    November 24, 2013, 1:46 pm

    A number of times in past years, Iran has indicated it will accept whatever deal with Israel, that the Palestinians accept.
    I think Netanyahu is virtually deranged in his continuing effort to keep most of the West Bank permanently. Even if this would mean endless war – – for the US.

    • Walid
      November 24, 2013, 11:55 pm

      “A number of times in past years, Iran has indicated it will accept whatever deal with Israel, that the Palestinians accept.” (James Canning)

      Hizbullah has indicated likewise. It also said that although it would always back the Palestinans, it would never fight the Palestinians’ battles with Israel.

      • James Canning
        November 27, 2013, 7:02 pm

        Good points, Walid.

  15. Erasmus
    November 24, 2013, 2:01 pm

    I do hope that this first agreement can be seen through up to a consolidated agreement in 6 months time or so.
    There won’t be a dearth of attempts to sabotage this welcome process of bringing Iran back into the regional and global discourse; a place which only does justice to a country and people like Iran and Iranians.

    Now, with the Govt.of Israel so totally and profoundly ISOLATED from the rest of the world, this hopefully will be a thorough wake-up call for the Israeli voters.

    They ought to realize that a NTY+Lieberman+Bennet Government is absolutely no good for them, not in any way.
    However, where is the alternative political party to vote for?
    No Nelson Mandela in sight.
    Until then? what can be done?
    For us, citizen of countries the governments of which have remained onlookers and only expressed endlessly hollow concerns about Israel’s Occupation and other violations of international law but let 46 years pass without putting any political and economical pressure – we only have : B D S

  16. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    November 24, 2013, 2:27 pm

    I have heard that many within Israel’s political elite are absolutely furious with Netanyahu for being so open in his attempts to sabotage this deal. This sort of thing is supposed to go on in shady backroom deals, far away from the cameras. Instead, Bibi has vented his rage right in the glare of the international media. This meant that had Obama backed down at the last minute, it would have been clear to all and sundry that Israeli arm twisting was the reason. Now that the deal has gone ahead, Bibi looks like a fool, and in internationally isolated fool too. His threats to ‘go it alone’ are looking all the more hollow.

    No doubt the leaders of the Gulf states are almost as unhappy with this deal as Bibi is. Unlike him, however, they have the good sense to keep their mouths shut.

  17. Mike_Konrad
    November 24, 2013, 2:30 pm

    This is a mistake by Obama.

    The sanctions were working.

    This is Munich 2013.

    • tree
      November 24, 2013, 10:37 pm

      Good Lord, Mike, you sound like Chicken Little. The sky is falling!!!1!

      Do you even have a clue what Munich 1938 was? Because this is nothing like it. It would be closer to the truth to say that our continual appeasement of Israel as it continues creating more and more settlements in the West Bank is closer to “Munich” than an agreement with Iran to perhaps ease sanctions in 6 months if it restricts its enrichment and allows continuous oversight.

      Of course, as someone here pointed out, even “Munich 1938” wasn’t the grand appeasement it was made out to be, but Iran is not annexing any other country’s territory, is not threatening war, is not ethnically cleansing anyone from territory it controls, nor is it building up its military might. It is under crippling sanctions because it wants to enrich uranium for power generating purposes, something it has a legal right to do, but something that Israel is using as a pretext to try to cripple Iran and expand its own hegemony.

      You’ve got the players (and the appeasement) backwards.

    • seafoid
      November 24, 2013, 10:55 pm

      Munich 2013 was in may. Bayern beat Borussia Dortmund in the Champions League.
      The other soccer team in the city is 1860 Munich.

  18. David Doppler
    November 24, 2013, 3:51 pm

    Here’s some highlights from Ha’aretz analysis:

    “Geneva deal seals Netanyahu’s legacy: An ineffectual leader”

    “Netanyahu continuing as prime minister is a waste of time, energy, money and attention. In a new reality, Israel needs new leadership.”

    “Battle for new sanctions could harm Israel more than Iran, now that deal is done
    Israel finds itself isolated in the world arena, with only Saudi sheikhs and U.S. lawmakers at its side; perhaps it’s time to consider other diplomatic options besides perpetual petulance.”

    And a more extended analysis, which raises the question why won’t our MSM analyze Israeli politics with any kind of depth:

    “So the question isn’t whether Israel is right, but whether it’s smart as well. Do insults, aspersions, accusations and complaints advance or harm the country’s national interests? Is perpetual petulance and in-your-face bellyaching really a constructive form of diplomacy? It’s how we got to this point, at any rate.

    “Because Israelis should not delude themselves: Even if they view the failings and faults of the new Geneva accord as self-evident and crystal clear, it will be welcomed by a majority of Americans, including American Jews. The agreement will be seen, at least in the short term, as a major achievement for the Obama Administration, especially against the backdrop of the flailing Affordable Care Act. It will be assessed as exacting tougher concessions from the Iranians than what was expected and as conceding less sanctions relief than initially feared. The agreement is solid enough, most analysts will agree, to give peace a chance.

    “It was a premeditated tactic, of course: Contrary to the Iranians, who promised far-reaching concessions while the talks were going on and then had a hard time pointing them out, the White House and State Department maintained discipline and saved their ammunition for the crucial battle of media spin that started immediately after the P5+1 handshakes and hugs in Geneva. President Barack Obama didn’t waste a minute in setting up a televised address to the nation at an unusually late hour on Saturday night in order to herald an agreement that “achieves a great lot.” Obama wanted to set the tone of the debate before his Middle East critics woke up and started firing away.”

    With Netanyahu having publicly blasted Obama’s effort as a very bad deal, and a fool’s bargain, having unleashed AIPAC to fight it, he’s created serious, reckless momentum that now permits the Judo Master in the White House to throw him for a major fall. It is time for young Isaac Herzog to attack Likud and build on Labor’s recent upturn after its historic fall. Time for a change in leadership in Israel.

  19. ToivoS
    November 24, 2013, 4:42 pm

    It is difficult to see how Netanyahu can survive as PM. The Israeli people must see him as a national embarrassment. All those empty threats accomplished is to expose Israel as isolated and ineffectual.

    • Ellen
      November 24, 2013, 4:57 pm

      The Israeli PM, Netanyahu cries that this is a disaster for Israel. Meanwhile the Israeli stock exchange makes new highs on the news of the developments in Geneva. Markets do not lie.

      The Zealots are screaming betrayal and disaster in Jerusalem, and their voices along with Netanyahu are on their way out.

    • seafoid
      November 24, 2013, 5:29 pm

      It’s not like there is anyone who can replace him. They are mostly just as bad.
      The Jewish Israeli people are sheep and Maariv etc will top up their paranoia ration tomorrow morning.

      • Ellen
        November 25, 2013, 11:13 am

        Seafoid, You are unfair. People are sheep. It is human nature to follow.

        Of note is a book with great foresight published this past March in Israel on Netanyahu’s inherent inability to succeed:

        Psychobibi: Who is Israel’s Prime Minister and Why Does He Want to Fail?

        link to amazon.com

        Excerpts published in the Times of Israel into the Psyche of Bibi when looking at his (failed) relationships with women.

        Netanyahu’s women and the making of Psychobibi

        link to blogs.timesofisrael.com

    • Chu
      November 25, 2013, 1:08 pm

      I don’t think they do seem him as an embarrassment. If they replace him, it could be worse. Majority of Israeli’s feel they can’t trust the US with their security.

      link to timesofisrael.com

      ‘Forty-two percent of respondents said the US government was not giving Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu an “accurate and reliable picture” of the ongoing talks, 33% said they didn’t know if the US was presenting information about the talks accurately to the Israeli government, and 25% said Washington was giving a reliable picture of the discussions, the poll found.’

  20. xanadou
    November 24, 2013, 5:48 pm

    So all that is left for NaughtyYahoo is to slip his head into the noose he himself has fashioned. Sic transit gloria mundi.

    One does wonder: where does a regime that does have nukes, has not signed the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty and does not allow IAEA inspectors, get off pontificating about Iran (inter alia) that does not have nuke weapons, has signed the NnPT and is not known to refuse any inspection? (rhetorical)

    I shall, however, hold my breath until the full agreement is signed. I expect the zios to go full tilt and use every means at their disposal to undermine the preliminary accord. And we know from Israel’s own history that it is not beyond stooping to underhanded measures to create “facts on the ground” that may destroy the tentative understanding.

  21. Memphis
    November 24, 2013, 9:51 pm

    Apparently Israel is not by itself

    It has the great power known as Canada by it’s side

    Here is a link to CBC canada.

    link to cbc.ca

    here is what John Baird, our foreign minister says

    “Past actions predict future actions and Iran has defied the United Nations Security Council, and simply put, Iran has not earned the right to have the benefit of the doubt,”

    • Walid
      November 24, 2013, 11:39 pm

      Canada’s bilateral trade with Iran of $135 million is insignificant for either country. This Canadian story is simply the Christian Zionist-led Canadian Government’s way of showing it loves Israel more than America’s does. It surely doesn’t reflect how the Canadian people feel.

  22. MRW
    November 24, 2013, 10:03 pm

    Watch Kerry on PressTV:
    link to presstv.ir

  23. EUR1069
    November 24, 2013, 11:11 pm

    The pace of events appears to be accelerating. Perhaps due to the fact Geneva coincided with the JKF anniversary, in the given nuclear context it has set an unmistakable dynamics into motion – my own prediction is that the first defiant “no” to the Lobby will open the floodgates. Politicians & lawmakers just realized that standing up to the Zionist Diktat is possible & there is nothing the Lobby can do about it. The Emperor has no clothes.

    On a related note, this is just in: link to presstv.ir

  24. TheWatcherWatching
    November 25, 2013, 3:41 am

    Israel didn’t get its way on Syria or Iran everyone knew Israel was bluffing on iran. First off let say I’m not a Zionist but I always wondered why didn’t they simply bomb Iran the us would have then got involved and did all the heavy lifting. I found it puzzling myself, I thought they would do it in 09 before Obama was elected or before the busherer went online, or before they got the s300, but then it hit me like a ton of bricks they don’t want the Iran issue resolved it was never anything more then a scarecrow to divert attention from the Palestine issue

    • Walid
      November 25, 2013, 12:42 pm

      Watcher, don’t look for a sophisticated answer, Israel didn’t bomb Iran because it didn’t have America’s permission.

    • Chu
      November 25, 2013, 1:01 pm

      Quick answer is that they can’t complete a job of that magnitude. The airstrike range is too far for the IAF, given the refueling involved and they don’t have the allowed airspace to fly over. They need US backing and military assistance and they don’t have either.

      link to blogs.aljazeera.com

  25. eGuard
    November 25, 2013, 5:03 am

    This is progression.

  26. anthonybellchambers
    November 25, 2013, 6:13 am

    This decision by the world’s major powers is a victory for common sense and a defeat for those Middle Eastern nations that are intent on furthering their own narrow national and ethnic interests at the expense of world peace.

    The urgent imperative now is for the EU and the rest of the world to ensure that the UN resolves to make the entire Middle East a NUCLEAR WEAPONS FREE ZONE to ensure that there will be no nuclear war that will engulf not only the Middle East but also Europe.

    To this end, the gloves must come off. Israel must be forced to dismantle all its nuclear arsenal of up to 400 warheads and decommission its fleet of German built Dolphin nuclear-armed submarines now assumed patrolling the Mediterranean with cruise missiles.

    This is Munich 2014. Either continue with appeasement and trade under threat, or make the world a safer place for all our children. We have a choice.

  27. seafoid
    November 25, 2013, 10:35 am

    More trouble down at the ranch

    link to haaretz.com

    “The crisis between Israel and the European Union over new economic sanctions against Jewish settlements beyond the Green Line is deepening.
    Negotiations between the sides over the last two weeks over the conditions for signing the Horizon 2020 scientific cooperation initiative have all but hit an impasse, after the EU rejected most of Israel’s compromise proposals concerning European ban on funding entities in the West Bank settlements.
    In July, the European Commission issued new guidelines regarding funding of entities in the West Bank settlements by EU funds. The new guidelines prohibit funds and agencies from giving grants, scholarships, or prizes to Israeli entities in the settlements or to activities in the settlements. In some cases, the guidelines forbid giving loans to Israeli entities that operate directly or indirectly beyond the 1967 lines.
    The guidelines also stress that every agreement between Israel and EU has to include a territorial clause that will stipulate that the agreement does not include the settlements in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and Golan Heights. Due to the new guidelines, the agreement on the scientific cooperation initiative Horizon 2020 has become a point of contention between Israel and the EU.
    The Horizon 2020 agreement would provide Israeli research institutes and high-tech companies with hundreds of millions of euros in funding over the next several years. If Israel does not sign, the country’s R&D stands to lose about 300 million euros (roughly NIS 1.5 billion) over the period. The Committee of University Heads and the Council for Higher Education’s Budgeting and Planning Committee have expressed great concern over the damage to Israeli academia if the agreement is not signed.
    On November 5, Rafi Barak, the outgoing director general of the Foreign Ministry, wrote to Pierre Vimont, the deputy to EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton. Barak proposed a compromise that would let the Horizon 2020 agreement be signed, and gave details in a videoconference the next day.
    For the first time, the Israeli side said it was willing to accept the EU’s policy “not to transfer money and funding” to the settlements. Israel asked that a provision be added that Israel did not recognize this funding policy as setting permanent borders in the talks between Israel and the Palestinians.
    The Israeli side also demanded that the EU’s new guidelines on the settlements not be stated directly in the agreement.
    As opposed to the stipulations in the new guidelines, Israel demanded that Israeli agencies seeking EU funding not be required to state that they are not based or do not operate over the Green Line. Instead, Israel asked that Israeli agencies be required to indicate on the application whether they meet all conditions for receiving EU funding.
    Israel also asked that the EU not forbid loans to agencies that operate indirectly in the settlements, and proposed the establishment of a mechanism to address the issue of loans.
    Senior Foreign Ministry officials said that on Friday, Vimont sent a response to Barak rejecting most of the proposed compromise. For example, the Europeans turned down Israel’s demand to remove the new guidelines on the settlements. The EU wants the agreement to include an “attachment” stating that the agreement’s conditions do not prevent the European Commission from implementing the guidelines on the settlements.
    The Foreign Ministry officials said this clause breaches the oral understandings between the sides and constitutes a withdrawal from the positions that the EU stated during the talks.
    The EU also rejected Israel’s demand to remove the clause prohibiting the indirect funding of agencies that operate in the settlements. Regarding loans, EU officials said they feared that no way would be found to ensure that EU funds did not eventually reach the settlements. They said the EU was unwilling to back down on the issue.
    Foreign Ministry officials, including Deputy Foreign Minister Zeev Elkin, who is responsible for this issue, see this clause as untenable under any circumstances. They say it harms Israeli firms even if they only have branches in the West Bank, such as fuel companies, energy companies and banks.
    The EU also demands that Israel’s recognition of its policy on the settlements not just focus on EU funding. The EU now demands Israel’s consent to the following clause:
    “In accordance with EU policy this agreement shall not apply to the geographic areas that came under the administration of the state of Israel after 5th of June 1967. This position should not be construed as prejudging Israel’s principled position on this matter. Accordingly the parties agree that the application of this agreement is without prejudice to the status of those areas.”
    The EU granted Israel’s demand that Israeli companies not be required to state that they are not located in or do not operate in the settlements. It also accepted Israel’s proposal that Israeli agencies only indicate that they will abide by the grant’s conditions.
    The Europeans’ answer stoked anger at the Foreign Ministry. Foreign Ministry officials said they were shocked that the EU was unwilling to compromise, even though Israel had shown flexibility and a willingness to recognize the EU’s policy against funding the settlements.
    “The response shows the built-in intransigence of the EU’s bureaucracy in Brussels,” a senior Foreign Ministry official said. “They told us that they wanted to find a solution to the crisis, that Ashton had ordered them to fix it and that they wanted us in the agreement. But then they sent us an answer they knew perfectly well we couldn’t accept.” “

    • Walid
      November 25, 2013, 11:35 am

      seafoid, wait till Israel plays its “remember the Alamo” card; the guilt-ridden EU will reel over and spread ’em.

      • seafoid
        November 25, 2013, 1:42 pm

        Walid

        The story “the.boy who cried wolf” was written in Europe.

      • Walid
        November 25, 2013, 2:44 pm

        seafoid, the Jewish Guilt Trip is a mighty powerful tool, especially when the ones targetted are the Europeans. Interesting essay on the subject, a tiny extract from it:

        “… Bolkestein writes as if European guilt naturally welled up because of its Christian past and the memory of the horrific events of the 20th century, including the Holocaust. But historical memory is not a passive process in which events are simply remembered accurately. If the history of the rise of the left in the media and the academic world tells us anything, it is that there are very specific campaigns designed to take advantage of this European tendency for guilt.”

        Full essay:
        link to theoccidentalobserver.net

      • seafoid
        November 25, 2013, 3:41 pm

        There are more Muslims than jews in the EU.

  28. anthonybellchambers
    November 25, 2013, 10:55 am

    50 years ago, this week, the world made not so much a historic mistake but a colossal blunder, the ramifications of which threaten every one of us to this day.

    Prior to his tragic assassination in 1963, President John F Kennedy had been trying ineffectively to obtain conclusive evidence from Israel’s Prime Minister, Levi Eshkol, that the secretive Dimona facility in the Negev was entirely for peaceful purposes and not for the production of nuclear warheads.

    He failed to obtain this assurance due to the duplicity of the Israelis who concealed their real activities by sealing the entrance to the nuclear weapons facility from the US inspectors. The rest is now history.

    The state of Israel is now estimated by scientists to have covertly built up to 400 nuclear warheads with delivery systems by air, ground and sea, supplied by America. If correct, this would place Israel, a state of just 8 million people, in a military position to destroy the whole of Europe with its 500 million inhabitants.

    There is no European state that has a comparable nuclear arsenal or, indeed, any comparable nuclear-armed submarine fleet with cruise missiles now presumed patrolling the Mediterranean and the Gulf. In any event, all EU member states are members of the nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty and of both the Chemical and Biological Weapons Conventions. (NPT, CWC, BWC). Israel has ratified none of these vital treaties and is, therefore, not subject to inspection by the IAEA of the UN.

    Yet, the peace deal just signed between Iran and the major powers is ridiculed by the one state that could start a catastrophic nuclear war tomorrow, and has threatened that it may well yet still do so.

    • Walid
      November 25, 2013, 12:48 pm

      “with delivery systems by air, ground and sea, supplied by America…”

      and France with Dimona and Germany for the subs; don’t forget the guilt-ridden Germany will be paying for it for decades to come. Every museum added to the list extends the payback period by another decade; every 5 gets them another free sub.

    • James Canning
      November 25, 2013, 7:01 pm

      US needs to back effort to get rid of Israeli nukes.

  29. Talkback
    November 25, 2013, 6:25 pm

    Israel hates peace agreements and Iranians

    #Israel hates

  30. piotr
    November 26, 2013, 4:59 am

    Punchline and the note on the author for the latest commentary in ynetnews about the consequences of the deal with Iran:

    Netanyahu – like any other responsible Israeli leader – would rather bring about World War III than the last Israelis.

    Noah Beck is the author of “The Last Israelis,” an apocalyptic novel about Iranian nukes and other geopolitical issues in the Middle East

    I visited Israel only once, but I remember what shocked me most: people there trust their government. In this case, the government mongers paranoia and the citizenry is obediently paranoid. But for the government this is riding a tiger. Olmert have fallen victim of that, as the “centist” Israelis could not forgive him the excessive mildness of his war in Lebanon and Gaza.

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