Jews who protest settlements are ‘mutants’ who should have been aborted, says ZOA leader

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Protesters outside settlers conference, Nov.17, photo by Bud Korotzer

Protesters outside settlers conference, Nov.17, photo by Bud Korotzer

 

Protesters outside settlers' conference

Protesters outside settlers’ conference, photo by Bud Korotzer

settlements1 On Sunday, supporters of Israeli settlers held a conference at the West Side Institutional Synagogue (I did a post about it yesterday), and a large group of protesters organized by Jews Say No! and Jewish Voice for Peace and other organizations demonstrated peacefully outside on 76th Street.

Inside the synagogue, Steven Goldberg, a lawyer and national vice chair of the Zionist Organization of America, gave a fire-and-brimstone speech saying that the Jewish demonstrators were mutants who should have been aborted.

I’m mad as hell that we have protesters that have plagued the Jewish people, the mutants who betray us… For those who oppose a woman’s right to choose, I would say look at some of these Jewish protesters and maybe rethink a woman’s right to choose abortion.

Those remarks don’t appear in the video below; I have them in an audio recording.

As for the video, Goldberg has long supported the late Meir Kahane and on Sunday he issued a militant call in support of Kahane’s Jewish Defense League, and smeared Muslims in doing so. He began:

The organization affiliation of which I am proudest for myself is that I was a lawyer for the Jewish Defense League…[Applause]. They were right…. We do not need to apologize for [our support]…  My message to the American Jewish community, It’s time to fight back..

Goldberg said that there were Jews who were politically savvy who knew how to work the halls of Washington, and they needed to be supported, but

We also need to take to the streets… When college students are intimidated. Jews can’t wear a Chai or wear any kind of tshirt with Hebrew writing, because of the Muslim student unions, where are the Jews out there physically protecting them and stopping that from going on… [When John Kerry appears in public] Why aren’t there Jewish protesters? We need to be vocal, we need to be loud, we need to use every bit of power we have got.

Goldberg also supported the settlers:

I’m mad as hell the demonization of the Jews in Judea and Samaria….I am mad as hell when the president of the United States takes it upon himself to tell the soveriegn Jewish nation that it can’t build in its own cradle of its civilization….The legal rights to Judea and Samaria of the Jews are beyond question.
It’s biblical, of course, which is most important. But it’s also under international law…This land is ours… We have Jewish heroes here… The people who have the courage to live in Judea and Samaria now, these are the ancient Hebrew warriors who exist today.

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  1. Balfour
    November 19, 2013, 1:41 pm

    Wow…how is such ugly, vile, and racist langauge of the ZOA any different from what White Southern segregationists preached during the days of the Freedom Riders and the Civil Rights movement?

  2. doug
    November 19, 2013, 1:49 pm

    >> the mutants who betray us… For those who oppose a woman’s right to choose, I would say look at some of these Jewish protesters and maybe rethink a woman’s right to choose abortion.

    Man, this weird genetic predestination junk is warming reminds me of, well, I’m not going to be an example of Godwin’s Law.

  3. Walid
    November 19, 2013, 2:25 pm

    Goldberg is sick in the head.

    • marc b.
      November 19, 2013, 3:04 pm

      not to worry, walid. mjrosenberg is on the case. he just posted a report on the conference under the title, ‘West Side Institutional Synagogue Needs a Disinfectant’.

      • American
        November 19, 2013, 3:23 pm

        ”needs a disinfectant”

        I think something stronger…like a gaint enema. Had to give one to a horse once that been kept in a field where the grass was so poor he ingested dirt trying to graze. He was so bloated from being clogged up he almost died….wouldn’t believe that crap that washed out of him….but made a new horse out of him…..once the dirt was out.

    • just
      November 19, 2013, 4:47 pm

      Yes, he is. If that is not hate speech and incitement– really, I don’t know what it is.

      What does he say about this:

      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/11/abortion-organization-demographic.html

      Thank heavens for the protestors who demonstrate sanity.

  4. American
    November 19, 2013, 3:12 pm

    ‘I’m mad as hell the demonization of the Jews in Judea and Samaria….I am mad as hell when the president of the United States takes it upon himself to tell the soveriegn Jewish nation that it can’t build in its own cradle of its civilization….The legal rights to Judea and Samaria of the Jews are beyond question…blah,blah..It’s biblical, of course….Hebrew warriors..blah,blah”..Goldberg

    Yea, well….
    “Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad”…( The Masque of Pandora)
    Sail on to your destiny crazies.

  5. Denis
    November 19, 2013, 3:21 pm

    The point in the conference, Goldberg’s toxic words, and the protestors should be, IMO: Free Speech.

    We should recognize how lucky we are that malignant Zionists like Goldberg, Geller, Oren, and Foxman have the right to say what they think needs to be said. This is not Warsaw, or Berlin, or even London or NYC in the 1930’s, when Jews could get beaten or lynched for speaking out.

    We should thank Mr. Goldberg for going to the trouble to exercise that vital right, thus reminding us all how important it is.

    (And then we should exercise ours and politely ask him to STF up and STF down, enough already with the anti-Semitic, mutant, hate stuff.)

    • just
      November 19, 2013, 5:45 pm

      I’ll recognize how “lucky” we are when the oppressed Palestinians have the same rights to speak. Or any oppressed person in NYC or at a US YMCA or any mosque without being targeted/profiled/disappeared by our own government.

      Until now, not so much……….

  6. irmep
    November 19, 2013, 3:35 pm

    The ZOA is an organization that was ordered to register as an Israeli foreign agent seven times. http://irmep.org/ila/ZOA/DOJ-149-1603-ZOA/default.asp

    ZOA provided two executives (Ivan Novick and Zalman Shapiro) to the tiny plant that “lost” the most u-235 in American history (investigated for diversion to Israel).
    http://irmep.org/ILA/numec/default.asp

    Although ZOA was required to publicly declare a social welfare purpose concordant with past activities in order to reinstate its recently lost tax-exempt status over failure to file tax returns, it has apparently regained such status without complying with IRS requirements. (The IRS cannot find an application form 1024 or 2010 tax return).

    Just another rogue Israel lobby organization undermining America through the acquiescence of regulatory and law enforcement agencies.

    • mondonut
      November 19, 2013, 5:22 pm

      irmep says: The ZOA is an organization that was ordered to register as an Israeli foreign agent seven times.
      =====================================================
      ZOA was NEVER ordered to register as an Israeli foreign agent.

      • talknic
        November 19, 2013, 6:01 pm
      • mondonut
        November 20, 2013, 12:44 am

        @talknic

        Congratulations, you found an obscure link making the same false claim. Try again. Follow the actual irmap.org link above where they detail that 5 of the 7 orders/requests came before Israel existed.

      • talknic
        November 20, 2013, 4:56 am

        @ mondonut

        mondonut “ZOA was NEVER ordered to register as an Israeli foreign agent.”

        mondonut “ Follow the actual irmap.org link above where they detail that 5 of the 7 orders/requests came before Israel existed”

        7 – 5 = 2 (two)

        Twice is “NEVER” … WOW!!! AMAZING!!!

      • Talkback
        November 20, 2013, 8:17 am

        Talknic: 7 – 5 = 2 (two)

        Twice is “NEVER” … WOW!!! AMAZING!!!

        That 7-5=2 and not 0 is disputed. You just pick mathematical solutions which are pro Arab and antisemitic.

      • mondonut
        November 20, 2013, 9:22 am

        t alknic says: Twice is “NEVER” … WOW!!! AMAZING!!
        ===============================================
        Congratulations are in order again, you can perform simple math. Of course you are still wrong, neither of the two remaining orders ask ZOA to register as an Israeli foreign agent.

        Apparently your fascination with minutiae is all about when it suits your own purposes.

      • mondonut
        November 20, 2013, 9:24 am

        Talkback says: That 7-5=2 and not 0 is disputed. You just pick mathematical solutions which are pro Arab and antisemitic.
        =====================================
        Are you really that dense? Read the other two orders, neither demand that the ZOA register as an agent of Israel.

      • Hostage
        November 20, 2013, 2:31 pm

        Of course you are still wrong, neither of the two remaining orders ask ZOA to register as an Israeli foreign agent.

        No congratulations are in order for you. The WZO was an Israeli state-chartered public agency organized under the laws of the State of Israel. It’s subsidiaries served as the reserve bank of Israel, owned 13 percent of the land of Israel (including Palestinian property pillaged by the State of Israel), helped govern national planning and use of the remainder of the lands administered by the State of Israel, and managed Israel’s program of Jewish immigration, indoctrination, and settlement. All of those things made the WZO a foreign principal and agent of the State of Israel under the explicit terms of 22 USC § 611 – Definitions:

        (b) The term “foreign principal” includes—
        (1) a government of a foreign country and a foreign political party;

        (3) a partnership, association, corporation, organization, or other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its principal place of business in a foreign country.

        http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/611

        Yet you are still wasting everyone’s time here by pretending that references to an Israeli or Palestinian parastatal public agency in the Department of Justice notices didn’t exist when it pointed out that the ZOA was obliged to accept and carry-out the official Programs of the WZO – which is a parastatal agency of the government of Israel. See the World Zionist Organization/Jewish Agency Status Law. (1952).

      • talknic
        November 21, 2013, 12:42 am

        @ Talkback I know …. simple maths is biased, racist, bigoted, hateful, antisemitic, Nazi, propaganda

      • oneof5
        November 19, 2013, 11:06 pm

        mondonut … thanks for the entertainment !

    • irmep
      November 19, 2013, 6:39 pm

      “ZOA was NEVER ordered to register as an Israeli foreign agent.”

      ZOA was ordered to register as a foreign agent of the World Zionist Organization, an Israeli entity.

      Sample order: http://irmep.org/ILA/ZOA/DOJ-149-1603-ZOA/06111948_doj_order.pdf

      Of course, like the order to register the AZC / AIPAC, and Jewish Agency’s American Section, the DOJ did not uphold its duty to enforce the order, and left the American people (true beneficiaries of FARA transparency) hung out to dry.

      • mondonut
        November 20, 2013, 1:17 am

        irmep says: ZOA was ordered to register as a foreign agent of the World Zionist Organization, an Israeli entity.
        ===========================================
        Doubling down on your lies? The US never linked the World Zionist Organization to Israeli in its orders, that is pure invention on your part. Further, as you so aptly demonstrated, Israel did not exist when the majority of the orders were issued.

      • Hostage
        November 20, 2013, 4:28 am

        irmep says: ZOA was ordered to register as a foreign agent of the World Zionist Organization, an Israeli entity.

        I think you are losing sight of the fact that the Zionist Organization was a foriegn principal which was always linked to public agencies of either the Mandated State of Palestine or the State of Israel. The ZOA is required to register under FARA because it is an agent of the WZO.

        The ZO or WZO Constituitions have always required the ZOA and other affiliates to accept, support, and help carry-out the programs of the WZO, e.g. Basel Program, Biltmore Program, and the current Jerusalem Program. It’s ludicrous to try and assert otherwise.

      • irmep
        November 20, 2013, 9:12 am

        It is also interesting to note that ZOA’s foreign principal, the World Zionist Organization, was found by Israeli prosecutor Thalia Sasson to be up to its elbows in illegal settlement coordination.

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.542226

        The Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations used to list the American Section of the WZO as a constituent among its 50 member orgs. It has now dropped WZO from its illustrious rolls (yet curiously still shares an office with the WZO American Section in New York).

        WZO and ZOA: Israel’s illegal settlements in America:

        http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2009/11/27/israels%C2%A0illegal-settlements-in-america/

      • mondonut
        November 20, 2013, 9:27 am

        Hostage says: I think you are losing sight of the fact that the Zionist Organization was a foriegn principal…
        ==============================================
        No, I am not. But nice try with the spin. Here is the original statement:

        The ZOA is an organization that was ordered to register as an Israeli foreign agent seven times.

        True of False?

      • American
        November 20, 2013, 11:43 am

        mondonut says:
        November 20, 2013 at 1:17 am

        irmep says: ZOA was ordered to register as a foreign agent of the World Zionist Organization, an Israeli entity.
        ===========================================
        Doubling down on your lies? The US never linked the World Zionist Organization to Israeli in its orders, that is pure invention on your part. Further, as you so aptly demonstrated, Israel did not exist when the majority of the orders were issued.>>>>>>

        Are you ignorant or a deliberate liar? We’ve been over this a hundred times on MW with links to the official documents…see below.
        The 1963 Fulbright senate hearings exposed the connection between the ZOA and funds from Israel.
        And Isaiah Kenen, who headed up the ZOA was ALREADY registered as a foreign agent under FARC.
        Because of the Fulbright hearings the ZOA was spooked by this investigation into foreign lobbies and created AIPAC, the A in AIPAC meant to portray it as a domestic group, not a foreign group.
        Fortunately for the zionist agents in the US the assassination of Jack Kennedy disempowered Justice and Robert Kennedy’s efforts to make AIPAC registed as a foreign lobby.

        Regardless….we know who you are, what you did and what you continue to do in the US. Eventually we will take you down ..or more accurately you will bring yourselves down.

        http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/pg-fa.html
        Excerpted from Foreign Agents: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee from the 1963 Fulbright Hearings

        AIPAC was founded by Isaiah L. “Si” Kenen, springing from the American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs Kenen registered twice with the U.S. Department of Justice under the Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA) as a foreign agent for Israel.[i] On April 21, 1947 he registered as an agent of the American Section of the Jewish Agency for Israel.[ii] Si Kenen also registered at FARA as an agent for the “Israel Information Services” on October 12, 1948 through May 13, 1951.[iii] Kenen changed the committee’s name from the American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in 1959.

        http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2536485?uid=3739776&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21103020386503
        You can download the whole history of Isr-Zionist subversion in the US and read all about yourselves.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2010/11/after-fbi-came-to-his-door-aipac-staffer-promptly-called-israeli-embassy.html
        MRW says:
        November 16, 2010 at 6:13 pm + Show content
        Wiity,
        Before AIPAC became AIPAC, and in its incarnation under its previous name, IT WAS REGISTERED AS A FOREIGN AGENT. That’s the precedent that counts. Google for the history.
        MRW says:
        November 16, 2010 at 10:45 pm + Show content
        Here you go, Witty, from Kathleen’s link below. Grant Smith:
        Details of the JFK-RFK duo’s effort to register the American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s (AIPAC) parent organization, the American Zionist Council (AZC) as an Israeli foreign agent were shrouded in mystery until declassified in mid-2008.
        Between 1962 and 1963 Senator J.W. Fulbright uncovered a massive network of financial “conduits” moving funds directed by the Jewish Agency in Jerusalem to Israel lobby startup groups across the United States. Even as JFK attempted to place Israel’s Dimona nuclear weapons program under US inspection, RFK ordered the AZC to openly register and disclose all of its foreign funded lobbying activity in the United States.
        The DOJ and AZC fought their secret battle as Fulbright’s hearings disclosed the immense proportions of the Israel lobby effort. Nathan B. Lenvin, a DOJ attorney who had been after AIPAC’s founder Isaiah Kenen since 1951 to continue registering as a foreign agent after he left the employ of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs took copious notes of the many meetings, AZC’s offers of limited registration and the DOJ’s counter offers.
        But the law enforcement effort ended in tragedy. JFK’s assassination on November 12, 1963 in Dallas meant RFK’s political cover for the prosecution was gone and his days at the DOJ were numbered. He left to run for a New York senate seat. In 1965 the DOJ allowed the AZC to file a highly redacted and non-standardized FARA declaration in secret. The AZC then shut down and transferred lobbying activity to AIPAC, which refused to register.”

      • Hostage
        November 20, 2013, 3:34 pm

        No, I am not. But nice try with the spin.

        It isn’t spin. the Zionist Organization’s Jewish Agency was a public agency organized under the laws of the Mandated State of Palestine via the Order-in-Council of 1922. The WZO and Jewish Agency are parasatal agencies of the State of Israel organized under the laws of the State of Israel, such as the WZO/Jewish Agency Status Law (1952).

        The State of Israel provides legal mandates and assigns responsibilities to the World Zionist Organization, the Jewish Agency and the Jewish National Fund, as well as providing for their budgets and allocation of their funds. For example, the WZO Settlement Division is organized under the Prime Minister’s Office and funded by the Israeli Knesset. In 2012 it was granted an annual budget of NIS 60.3 million, while its expenses reached NIS 272 million. See for example:
        * WZO Settlement Department gets more money than it is budgeted http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.530200

        It’s a matter of public record that at various times the WZO/JAFI/JNF and other subsidiaries like the Anglo-Palestine Bank/Bank Leumi were the public organs tasked with primary responsibilities for carry-out Israeli state policies. Under US foreign relations laws, government-owned, controlled, or subsidized corporations, subdivisions, or agencies that exercise delegated powers are legally defined as part of the term “government of a foreign country” and those are considered “foreign principals”. See 22 USC § 611 – Definitions (e). http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/611

        The WZO Constitutions require affiliates to accept and carry-out its programs. So the ZOA satisfies the definition of an “agent of a foreign principal” from the statute. It means:

        (1) any person who acts as an agent, representative, employee, or servant, or any person who acts in any other capacity at the order, request, or under the direction or control, of a foreign principal or of a person any of whose activities are directly or indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed, or subsidized in whole or in major part by a foreign principal, and who directly or through any other person—
        (i) engages within the United States in political activities for or in the interests of such foreign principal;
        (ii) acts within the United States as a public relations counsel, publicity agent, information-service employee or political consultant for or in the interests of such foreign principal;
        (iii) within the United States solicits, collects, disburses, or dispenses contributions, loans, money, or other things of value for or in the interest of such foreign principal; or
        (iv) within the United States represents the interests of such foreign principal before any agency or official of the Government of the United States; and
        (2) any person who agrees, consents, assumes or purports to act as, or who is or holds himself out to be, whether or not pursuant to contractual relationship, an agent of a foreign principal as defined in clause (1) of this subsection.

        http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/611

      • Hostage
        November 20, 2013, 4:34 pm

        WZO and ZOA: Israel’s illegal settlements in America

        You’re preaching to the choir. As far as I’m concerned this article is yet another example of the ZOA carrying water and conducting public propaganda on behalf of the WZO and its Settlement Division in the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office. See:
        *WZO Settlement Division returns to the PMO
        http://www.jpost.com/National-News/WZO-Settlement-Division-returns-to-the-PMO
        * Livni to impose freedom of information act on WZO settlements division: Meretz head says division’s budget grew in 2011 from allocated NIS 62.35 million to NIS 373.3m.
        http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Livni-to-impose-freedom-of-information-act-on-WZO-settlements-division-322071

        In 1998 and again in 2012 the CERD, a treaty monitoring body consisting of a panel of legal experts elected by all of the state parties, advised that the status of the Jewish-only settlements was clearly inconsistent with the prohibition of apartheid and similar policies of racial segregation contained in Article 3 of the Convention. The Committee noted General Recommendation XIX, prohibited all forms of racial segregation in all countries; and that there was a consensus among publicists that the prohibition of racial discrimination, irrespective of territories, was an imperative norm of international law. See CERD/C/SR.1250, 9 March 1998
        http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/89C006EAF4E7FCF585256DEA007480FE
        and CERD/C/ISR/CO/14-16
        http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/docs/CERD.C.ISR.CO.14-16.pdf.

        Agents of the State of Israel operating in the United States would be included in the terms of Article III of the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (ICSPCA):

        Article III

        International criminal responsibility shall apply, irrespective of the motive involved, to individuals, members of organizations and institutions and representatives of the State, whether residing in the territory of the State in which the acts are perpetrated or in some other State, whenever they:

        (a) Commit, participate in, directly incite or conspire in the commission of the acts mentioned in article II of the present Convention;

        (b) Directly abet, encourage or co-operate in the commission of the crime of apartheid.

        According to the Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity, universal jurisdiction applies to the crime of apartheid. Note: There is a mistaken view that the Rome Statute somehow replaced or limited the application of the terms of the ICSPCA. That simply isn’t case with the conventions on Genocide or any other treaty dealing with crimes enumerated in the Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations. The lists of state parties to the various conventions overlap, but aren’t always identical. The Rome Statute is intended to be complimentary to those other conventions and contains no supremacy clause in the event of conflicts with any other treaty.

      • talknic
        November 21, 2013, 12:54 am

        @ mondonut Here is your original statement:

        “ZOA was NEVER ordered to register as an Israeli foreign agent.”

        May 27th 1948 ” Since it appears that the Zionist Organisation of America is an agent of a foreign principal within the meaning of the Act, it ia requested that its registration statement be submitted within ten days of the date of this letter.” http://irmep.org/ila/ZOA/DOJ-149-1603-ZOA/05271948_doj_fara_order.pdf

        Maybe by foreign principal they meant Iran or New Zealand?

        November 6th 1948 “..the activity of your organization constitutes it an agent of the World Zionist Organization within the meaning of the Foreign Agents Registration Act.” http://irmep.org/ila/ZOA/DOJ-149-1603-ZOA/06111948_doj_order.pdf

        Maybe by “Foreign Agents” they meant Steed and Mrs Peel?

      • RoHa
        November 21, 2013, 6:07 am

        “Maybe by “Foreign Agents” they meant Steed and Mrs Peel?”

        Can’t be. Steed and Mrs Peel have more style. And they’re British, not foreign.

      • talknic
        November 21, 2013, 6:55 am

        @Roha …. right

        We’re slowly narrow it down..

  7. Ecru
    November 19, 2013, 3:56 pm

    The organization affiliation of which I am proudest for myself is that I was a lawyer for the Jewish Defense League…[Applause]. They were right…. We do not need to apologize for [our support]… My message to the American Jewish community, It’s time to fight back..

    Can you imagine any Muslim being allowed to get away with screaming pride at being a follower of a terrorist organisation, even if it was defunct? Can you imagine anyone being applauded for being a proud KKK’er outside a white-power rally? And that last bit,

    My message to the American Jewish community, It’s time to fight back..

    sounds an awful lot like incitement to me. Is that not illegal in the USA? Is even hate speech and encouragement to violence (which given Kahane’s view it’s hard to see this was anything else) protected?

    I honestly wonder – is being a borderline psychotic bigot one of the job requirements for the Israel lobby or something ’cause it certainly seems like it.

  8. Mike_Konrad
    November 19, 2013, 4:14 pm

    I’m mad as hell that we have protesters that have plagued the Jewish people, the mutants who betray us… For those who oppose a woman’s right to choose, I would say look at some of these Jewish protesters and maybe rethink a woman’s right to choose abortion.

    Horrible speech.

    However, look at the context. What some of the protestors want is the eradication of Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people.

    • just
      November 19, 2013, 5:14 pm

      Where? Who? Huh?

    • Shmuel
      November 19, 2013, 5:17 pm

      However, look at the context. What some of the protestors want is the eradication of Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people.

      Ah, context. How do you know what “some of the the protestors want”? Their signs are almost all about settlements (plus one about Rachel Corie and one about Islamophobia). “Eradication” is such a negative word to place in the minds of people you know so little about.

      And this imagined “context” of yours is somehow supposed to mitigate Steven Goldberg’s political-eugenics fantasy?

      • marc b.
        November 19, 2013, 5:30 pm

        mike’s all about context.

        how would he explain the context of a Palestinian calling Jewish protestors opposing the establishment of a Palestinian state, mutants and a plague?

        that’s what it always comes back to with these freaks: race/biology. tell me mike, has Goldberg patented the test to identify the unique gene of those who want to “eradicate Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people”? you have to be practical after all: you can’t just go around whilly nilly aborting Jewish fetuses what with the demographic time bomb ticking. you better damn well be sure (to within 97.37% genetic certainty) that Goldberg is overseeing the abortion of protester fetuses.

    • Woody Tanaka
      November 19, 2013, 6:03 pm

      “Horrible speech.
      However, look at the context.”

      The ghost of Julius Streicher agrees with your sentiment, no doubt.

      “What some of the protestors want is the eradication of Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people.”

      No, they’re not. They’re protesting the eradication of Palestine by Jewish colonists. But let’s argue that they want the eradication of israel as a homeland for the Jewish people. So what? half the people who live there aren’t Jews. Why should Judeo-supremacism be respected anywhere in the world?

    • eljay
      November 19, 2013, 6:13 pm

      >> What some of the protestors want is the eradication of Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people.

      A “homeland for the Jewish people” is, necessarily, a religion-supremacist construct. No-one, not even Jews, are entitled to a supremacist state.

    • Ecru
      November 20, 2013, 1:31 am

      @Mike_Konrad

      …look at the context.

      OK but let’s also look at the context of Hitler’s speeches, fair’s fair. He truly believed,

      What the Jews want is the eradication of Germany as a homeland for the Aryan people.

      Or how about the KKK?

      What the Blacks, Hispanics, Jews and Catholics want is the eradication of the USA as a homeland for the White Anglo-Saxon people.

      Would you be so understanding of these people I wonder.

    • Talkback
      November 20, 2013, 8:30 am

      Mike_Konrad: However, look at the context. What some of the protestors want is the eradication of Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people.

      Yes, context is everything. Imagine, if someone in 1948 had wanted the eridication of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people.

  9. American
    November 19, 2013, 4:30 pm

    ”We also need to take to the streets… When college students are intimidated. Jews can’t wear a Chai or wear any kind of tshirt with Hebrew writing, because of the Muslim student unions, where are the Jews out there physically protecting them and stopping that from going on… [When John Kerry appears in public] Why aren’t there Jewish protesters? We need to be vocal, we need to be loud, we need to use every bit of power we have got.”>>>>>

    Thats a great idea……why dont you get uniforms and march on Washington and around NY? Here’s great idea…why dont you do a Boycott America movement? Refuse to buy anything in the US and order everything in from Israel….with Fed’x it’s only like 7 day shipping. And how about a strike on the government by the zionist employees….you know the US just couldnt function without them.
    You really need to go big with this outrage. Sock it to ’em.

    [8.44] January 1946, British Consul, New York reporting a mass demonstration for Jewish freedom put on by the New Zionist Organization of America. “It was constantly patrolled by the Betarim, the new Jewish Youth Army, attired in a Hebrew version of the old Nazi Bund uniform.” “Great Britain was public enemy no. 1 of the Jewish people, more dangerous and shrewder than the Nazis…”

    [8.65] February 1946, formation of B´rith Trumpeldor of America or Betar, affiliated with the NZO. “there is noticeable similarity in the organisation´s character, structure and aims to those of the Hitler Youth…”, reported by British Embassy, Washington

    http://www.archiveeditions.co.uk/titledetails.asp?tid=124

  10. DICKERSON3870
    November 19, 2013, 4:31 pm

    RE: “Jews who protest settlements are ‘mutants’ who should have been aborted, says ZOA leader”

    MY COMMENT: Take that, John Hagee! ! ! And Pat Robertson!

  11. Chu
    November 19, 2013, 4:45 pm

    Sounds like the whispering of a terrorist sleeper cell awakening his flock.
    Call the NSA before we have another domestic terror cell like the Kahanists.

  12. Chu
    November 19, 2013, 4:57 pm

    What a surprise. Another synagogue meeting group that enjoys being scared by it’s leader. Reminds me of the recent Sheldon ADeLson video calling for a nukes in the Iranian Dessert.

    What is more appalling is that both of these guys have a significant cheering section.
    If these people proliferate, they will lead us to the darkened gutters of a corrupt social order.

  13. fnlevit
    November 19, 2013, 5:52 pm

    Don’t make it easy for yourself. You know whom he called “mutants”. Not the Jews who oppose the settlements. That is your interpretation. Great many Jews oppose. Actually close to 40% of the Israeli Jews do.
    What this speaker meant was anti-Zionists Jews. Do you know why? Because great majority of Jews in the world are Zionists. So for a Jew to be an anti-Zionist is to be against the Jews, i.e. against his own nation. This is indeed a mutation by reasonable biological standards.
    And I am sure Palestinians and Muslims in general looking at your activity here quietly call you and other Jews in your outfit by that (or similar) derogative name. I am sure that many Europeans do too.
    In the former Soviet Russia some Jewish celebrities were forced to make public appearances denouncing Zionism. And despite the fact they did this under direct threats of the communist authorities the attitude of the Russian population to them was that of contempt, scorn and total disrespect. You are in a good company.

    • talknic
      November 19, 2013, 11:02 pm

      fnlevit ” great majority of Jews in the world are Zionists”

      Got any statistics?

      “So for a Jew to be an anti-Zionist is to be against the Jews, i.e. against his own nation”

      Waffle is so cute …. and easy …. you can say anything. Paid by the word?

      “This is indeed a mutation by reasonable biological standards”

      Now politics and right and wrong are biological .. WOW!!! What an interesting theory

      “I am sure Palestinians and Muslims in general looking at your activity here quietly call you and other Jews in your outfit by that (or similar) derogative name. I am sure that many Europeans do too

      Any evidence ?

      “In the former Soviet Russia some Jewish celebrities were forced to make public appearances denouncing Zionism. And despite the fact they did this under direct threats of the communist authorities the attitude of the Russian population to them was that of contempt, scorn and total disrespect. You are in a good company”

      Without substantiating your claims you make accusations? Cute stuff

    • Ecru
      November 20, 2013, 2:01 am

      @ fnlevit

      You just can’t help but reveal yourself for what you are can you.

      Because great majority of Jews in the world are Zionists. So for a Jew to be an anti-Zionist is to be against the Jews, i.e. against his own nation.

      How many Germans do you think were Nazis? Let’s say it was the majority (which I don’t think was the case btw) were those who stood against Hitler then wrong simply because of the numbers? Were they anti-German because they wanted to save their nation from Hitler’s insanity? Or were they the best of Germany, the ones who put their humanity before their nation, their “tribe”? Personally, and I’m sure we’d disagree here I’d say the latter.

      Oh and as for Europeans calling Jewish anti-zionists “mutants” well as a European I’ve never heard of it, we’re generally quite complimentary. As in fact are most Muslims of my acquaintance. Zionists on the other hand we have no hesitation in declaring to be the monsters that they are.

    • talknic
      November 20, 2013, 3:22 am

      @fnlevit Re -settlements ” Great many Jews oppose. Actually close to 40% of the Israeli Jews do.”

      Do they actually know what they’re talking about?

      FACT 1) Israeli settlement in territories beyond Israel’s legal sovereign extent is illegal. The same laws apply to all states.

      FACT 2) Israel was “proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947” http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf and recognized as such. No more, no less.

      FACT 2) Since at least 1933 it has been illegal to acquire territory “by force whether this consists in the employment of arms, in threatening diplomatic representations, or in any other effective coercive measure” http://pages.citebite.com/y1f0t4q1v4son

      Question: When and how did Israel legally acquire any of the territories the Israeli Government officially stated were “outside of the State of Israel” http://pages.citebite.com/x1r0b4d1y6mkv ?

      Thx ….

    • Shmuel
      November 20, 2013, 4:44 am

      You know whom he called “mutants”. Not the Jews who oppose the settlements. That is your interpretation…. What this speaker meant was anti-Zionists Jews.

      Now how would you know that? Whether or not Goldberg was referring to the specific group of demonstrators outside this event (who, judging by the photos, gave no indication of “anti-Zionist” views), the conference was all about settlements and their centrality to “Israel advocacy”, and Goldberg’s own views on the subject (expressed in his other remarks) would seem to show extreme anger (“I’m mad as hell” – the same expression he uses in his “mutant” tirade) against those who actively oppose settlements. His declared support for Kahane would also seem to indicate extreme animosity to Jews who “merely” oppose the occupation (left-wing Zionists are regularly called “traitors” in such circles).

      Based on this information alone (and Phil has more), I would say that it is entirely reasonable to assume that Goldberg was referring to “Jews who protest settlements” or that there is little if any distinction in his mind between those who actively oppose settlements and those who hold views that you would term “anti-Zionist”.

      Because great majority of Jews in the world are Zionists. So for a Jew to be an anti-Zionist is to be against the Jews, i.e. against his own nation.

      Assuming, for the sake of argument, that your “great majority of Jews” statement is accurate, a great majority of Jews in the world also reject Halakhah. Would advocating adherence to Halakhah then be against the Jews etc.?

      This is indeed a mutation by reasonable biological standards.

      No, it is a difference of opinion, and the biological metaphor is repulsive (with or without ghoulish fantasies of “selective breeding”).

      And I am sure Palestinians and Muslims in general … call you and other Jews in your outfit by that (or similar) derogative name. I am sure that many Europeans do too.

      Your projection knows no bounds. The entire world does not hinge exclusively on your petty little concepts of loyalty/betrayal, and the opinion of those who actually do value such things above all else (e.g. fascists, criminal organisations) is hardly worth losing sleep over.

      • tree
        November 20, 2013, 5:58 am

        What I find telling about Zionists such as Goldberg and fnlevit is that they can’t seem to avoid making comments themselves that they would condemn as anti-semitic if made by anyone who wasn’t a Jewish Zionist. On the comment policy board earlier today I read a post from fnlevit, insisting that comments he considered anti-semitic should not be posted here. Here’s one of the examples he used to define anti-semitic comments:

        Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews (often in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion).

        And yet he defends Goldberg calling anti-Zionist Jews “mutants” who should have been aborted. Apparently Zionists think that they have a pass on calling for the harming of other Jews, despite the fact that Zionism is itself a radical ideology. (Some of the most hateful sites I have seen threatening Jews are Zionist sites like Masada 2000.)

        And then there are fnlevit’s own anti-semitc ideas. By fnlevit’s own definition, Jews who are anti-Zionists are abnormal mutations because they are NOT loyal to Israel, and thus not loyal to the Jewish people and he compares this to a biological mutation. In other words, fnlevit believes that all normal Jews are, or should be, loyal to Israel, and loyal to the Jewish people above all else, and if they aren’t they are abberant Jews. And yet, this is exactly the attitude that he describes as anti-semitic in the Comments Policy thread:

        Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interest of their own nations.

        Fnlevit not only thinks that the great majority of Jews are more loyal to Zionism and Israel but he also thinks that they naturally should be, and if they aren’t then they are mutant and defective Jews. Perhaps fnlevit will be able to see the error of his anti-semitic remarks and demand that his own comments be stricken from MW.

        …although I doubt he has the self-awareness to do so.

      • Shingo
        November 20, 2013, 6:28 am

        Outstanding analysis Tree.

        I must say, the comments in this thread have been outstanding. Even though I have been here for years, I am truly impressed.

      • Shmuel
        November 20, 2013, 8:22 am

        Well said, tree. What fnlevit has in fact done in this comment — by presuming that all Jews, simply by virtue of being Jews, must embrace a particular political ideology, and by engaging in degrading biological metaphors — is to deny Jews individuality and humanity. It is, arguably, one of the most anti-Semitic comments we’ve seen here in a while.

      • American
        November 21, 2013, 9:34 am

        “Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interest of their own nations.”

        That is what is so hysterical about them.
        They call on all Jews put Israel ahead of their countries of citizenship.
        And then turn around and say it’s anti semitic to accuse Jews of what they are trying to get them to do.
        The zio brain is missing some cells.

      • Shingo
        November 20, 2013, 6:24 am

        Brilliant response as always Shmuel

    • eljay
      November 20, 2013, 8:29 am

      >> … for a Jew to be an anti-Zionist is to be against the Jews, i.e. against his own nation. This is indeed a mutation by reasonable biological standards.

      Once again, the perfesser demonstrates that he’s an idiot by reasonable intellectual standards.

    • Talkback
      November 20, 2013, 9:23 am

      fnlevit: So for a Jew to be an anti-Zionist is to be against the Jews, i.e. against his own nation. This is indeed a mutation by reasonable biological standards.

      Fascinating. Just a couple of hours after I wrote:

      Maybe fnlevit only pretends to be a Jew and is in fact a German Neo-Nazi trying to whitewash their WW2 war crimes indirectly and accusing anybody with antisemitism who doesn’t follow his “norms” like expulsion, dispossession, disenfrenchisement denationalization, annexation, settlements in occupied territories, Lebensraum policy, ethnocracy, etc.

      I made have to add now “antisemitic eugenics”. Nazis considered Jews to be against the Nation of Germans and their racial state policy, too. To justify their extinction policy they biologized their own dehumanizing views of Jews to fixate them eternally into the biology of their victims and mark them as “lebensunwertes Leben” (life unworthy of life). This way they made sure, that whatever Jews really did or did not didn’t even matter any longer. Nazis could paint Jews as such of being bad beings like rats or parasites.

      But we should not compare these Nazis to antisemitic euginicists like Steven Goldberg. because I honestly can’t recall to have seen or have read about Nazis preaching their antisemitic eugenics in places of worship.

      • LeaNder
        November 20, 2013, 8:02 pm

        because I honestly can’t recall to have seen or have read about Nazis preaching their antisemitic eugenics in places of worship.

        Well then I have something new for you: Take a look at this: The German Christians, a movement in the Protestant Church supporting the Nazi ideology, it had precursors in single antisemitic priests. The larger Wikipedia article is about the counter movement the Confessing Church which wasn’t so fond of the “nazification” of the Church or the Nazis.

      • Talkback
        November 21, 2013, 8:33 am

        OMG, LeaNder! LOL!

    • LeaNder
      November 20, 2013, 10:59 am

      And I am sure Palestinians and Muslims in general looking at your activity here quietly call you and other Jews in your outfit by that (or similar) derogative name. I am sure that many Europeans do too.

      All, I agree great analysis by tree. But strictly the antisemitism-circle-dance is something that seems to happen quite a bit. But, if you basically rely on the metathesis that antisemitism is here to stay and it is always irrational, sometimes dressing up as critique, how can it ever matter? You can freely take whatever analogy you need out of a huge database over the centuries and use it in connection with any evidence critical of actions of the Jewish state.

      Concerning the highly interesting biological/genetic argument, it reminds me of the exiled liberal balancer Richard Witty and his twisted meditations on who is a Jew and who isn’t.

      If I may add an ironic comment to the above?

      What about the AntiGermans? I didn’t pay too much attention but here my short nutshell summary. They are a force fighting antisemitism on the left, e.g. when lefties invite Israeli or Jewish dissenters, to the extend they can enter Germany for such events, Finkelstein apparently can’t anymore. Occasionally trying to prevent people from entering.

      Lately they drew my attention in a new context, they are the network behind Benjamin Weinberg, Jerusalem Post, alerting him to antisemitic evidence on German grounds. I haven’t discovered a single item in which he does not rely on them. Maybe he is a member. I didn’t figure that out yet.

      The AntiGermans joined the European abhorrence against German West-East reunification in Europe in 1989, considering it a threat to Europe and the world.

      After 2001 they surfaced as stern supporters of the WOT, as hard-line pro-America and pro-Israel supporters from the left. They later were among the signatories of the Euston manifesto. In 2008 they shortly made it on the groups observed by the German BND on the left, but disappeared again thereafter.

      Now how would fnlevit deal with them? Would they be the exception to the rule, some type of new version of the “righteous among the nations”?

      Or would he like to add an addition to his rules:

      Everyone that criticizes his own countries politics but supports Israel is an exception to his rule and will be remembered as one of the “righteous among the nations” till the end of the world?

      And now with a different twist with both Witty’s above linked meditations and vaguely an answer to him somewhere else in mind, yes, a bit cynical: could they at one point in Israel’s successful future be exchanged for the unwanted “Arabs” as a new loyal but equally limited demographic factor, which would allow them to share in the success, creativity and innovation of “the light unto the nation”?

  14. Stephen Shenfield
    November 19, 2013, 5:58 pm

    A new challenge for medical science — how to predict a person’s future propensity to participate in protests when that person is still in the womb.

  15. Shmuel
    November 19, 2013, 6:02 pm

    For those who oppose a woman’s right to choose, I would say look at some of these Jewish protesters and maybe rethink a woman’s right to choose abortion.

    Interesting liberal phrasing (“woman’s right to choose”).

    • tree
      November 19, 2013, 6:36 pm

      I’m sure Stephen Goldberg, being the magnanimous individual that he is, would be quite willing to “help” a woman make the “right” “choice”. That’s the kind of “liberal” he is.

    • gamal
      November 19, 2013, 7:43 pm

      “rethink a woman’s right to choose abortion.”

      The mystic ties of Parent and child, post-natal abortion is frowned on, however attractive it seems at times, what kind of device to accomplish this did he have in mind, if they are sensitive a crass chamber may be all he needs to undemographic them.

      I like the rethink of women’s right to choose as a death sentence pronounced by the Goldie on bad Jews, its a bit extreme but you must admire his desire to improve Jews, by killing the grotty ones, if it works this kind of shit could catch on, I dont have “a people” who can either anathematize or euthanize me, on the basis of my fealty to a criminal enterprise State, I may convert (think of the Nobels), choose me, choose me or is it chose.

      Is “erdadication of Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people” related to “David established Jerusalem as the Jewish capital” circumlocution? so much effort so that one can include eradication which no one proposes and established for something already old and founded by others.

      All good Semites deserve civil war, but dont let Goldberg call your mother.

      • Don
        November 19, 2013, 11:27 pm

        …dont let Goldberg call your mother…

        Now THAT is funny.

  16. traintosiberia
    November 19, 2013, 7:07 pm

    You are not mad as hell. You are mad Israeli style- mad dog.
    Don’t make The Hell feel guilt by association.

  17. RoHa
    November 19, 2013, 8:38 pm

    “For those who oppose a woman’s right to choose, I would say look at some of these Jewish protesters and maybe rethink a woman’s right to choose abortion.”

    But not in Israel.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/11/abortion-organization-demographic.html

  18. RoHa
    November 19, 2013, 8:41 pm

    “the soveriegn Jewish nation that it can’t build in its own cradle of its civilization”

    No such thing as Jewish civilization. Never was any such thing.

    • jimby
      November 19, 2013, 11:44 pm

      RoHa, you are forgetting the cherry tomato(e)s and falafel…

    • Hostage
      November 20, 2013, 12:41 am

      No such thing as Jewish civilization. Never was any such thing.

      There were a number of Jewish kingdoms or commonwealths that would qualify for the general usage of the term “civilization”: a particular well-organized and developed society. Specifically: the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained; the culture characteristic of a particular time or place.
      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilization

      It would obviously be more correct to talk about a plurality of Jewish cultural centers, written languages, and bygone eras that are better left behind us.

      • Talkback
        November 20, 2013, 9:43 am

        So it’s better to say “No such thing as a unitary Jewish civilization”?

      • Hostage
        November 20, 2013, 3:47 pm

        So it’s better to say “No such thing as a unitary Jewish civilization”?

        Surely, you betcha.

      • RoHa
        November 20, 2013, 7:44 pm

        Yes, I suspect the term “a plurality of Jewish cultural centres” would be most accurate.

        I think* of civilizations in Ibn Khaldun/Toynbee/van Sloan categories. (Though not committing myself to those theorists.) In those terms, just about any Jewish kingdom would be classed as part of a civilization in the way that Luxembourg would be classed as part of Modern Western Civilization.

        (Incidentally, if we are going to resort to dictionary definitions, let’s at least get them from the real dictionary:
        http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/civilization

        “1. the stage of human social development and organization which is considered most advanced
        2. the process by which a society or place reaches an advanced stage of social development and organization.
        3. the society, culture, and way of life of a particular area
        4. the comfort and convenience of modern life, regarded as available only in towns and cities”

        Number three seems odd. We find the same idea in the MW definition, but it does not seem common usage to me.
        There was a society, culture, and way of life in 16th Century Tasmania, but would we call it a civilization?)

        *By a commodius vicus of recirculation, of course.

  19. just
    November 19, 2013, 11:52 pm

    “Because great majority of Jews in the world are Zionists. So for a Jew to be an anti-Zionist is to be against the Jews, i.e. against his own nation. ”

    There is no “Jewish nation”. And I look forward to reading your credible cite wrt the number of Jews in the world that are Zionists.

    I seriously doubt that Jewish folk are that deluded.

  20. piotr
    November 19, 2013, 11:57 pm

    In some sense, the protesters are indeed mutants, or “degenerates”.

    It is actually somewhat obscure reference to a Soviet SF novel that was popular in some countries, Prisoners of Power. From Wiki: to maintain the loyalty of the population, the Fathers [rulers] employ mind control broadcasts. The broadcast towers pepper the landscape of the country. The mind-altering capabilities of the towers are kept secret, they are disguised as ballistic missile defense installations. Constant broadcasts suppress the ability to evaluate information critically, hence making the omnipresent regime propaganda much more effective. In addition, twice a day, intense broadcasts relieve mental stress caused by the disconnect between the propaganda and the observed reality by inducing an outburst of blinding enthusiasm. The authors give a masterful description of this process at work, describing the thoughts of one of the characters as he switches from the state of peeved boredom and disdain for his superiors to the rapturous adoration of people around him and life in general.
    A minority of the population [degenerates] are not susceptible to the broadcasts. In these people, the intense daily broadcasts induce horrible headache and seizures.

  21. Hostage
    November 20, 2013, 12:08 am

    The legal rights to Judea and Samaria of the Jews are beyond question.
    It’s biblical, of course, which is most important. But it’s also under international law

    It takes a certain kind of cynical dishonesty to dismiss the declarations on the illegality of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem by the Diplomatic Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions, the General Assembly, the Security Council, and the International Court of Justice.

    Judge Eli Nathan, provided an expert opinion on that subject. He was the chief of the Israeli delegation to the Diplomatic Conference held in Rome on the subject of the Statute for the proposed International Criminal Court. He and his lieutenants warned the other delegations throughout the deliberations on the draft of Article 8(2)(b)(viii) that it would apply to Israeli settlements in the occupied Arab territories and criminalize them. The international community of states responded to those arguments by adopting that article and ratifying it. See Nathan’s statement here:
    * (pdf): http://www.iccnow.org/documents/IsraelatPrepCom17July1998.pdf
    * (html) http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/State/Law/Pages/Judge%20Eli%20Nathan%20at%20UN%20Diplomatic%20Conference%20of%20Pl.aspx

    Shortly after the Rome Statute entered into force, then Attorney General and future Supreme Court Justice, Elyakim Rubinstein observed that Israeli Settlers could be prosecuted by the International Criminal Court. See “A-G: New Hague court may indict settlers for war crimes”, Jun.11, 2002

    It is really just that fundamental underlying truth and criminality that pisses-off the likes of Steven Goldberg.

    • Shingo
      November 20, 2013, 6:31 am

      It takes a certain kind of cynical dishonesty to dismiss the declarations on the illegality of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem by the Diplomatic Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions, the General Assembly, the Security Council, and the International Court of Justice.

      It is amazing isn’t it when these very issues have indeed been questioned and the Goldberg and his ilk had their asses handed to them on the matter by 15 – 0?

  22. pabelmont
    November 20, 2013, 9:17 am

    Some creep calls opponents of settlements “mutants”? Well, one may suppose that people who say things like that are the result of in-breeding, not so much mutants as recrudescences, throw-backs to an earlier time, a time before the notion of “human rights” occasionally (at least) took precedence over “dreams of conquest”.

    Imagine sitting in the USA, bags packed and El-Al ticket in reserve, imagining that when the time comes (if it comes) that it becomes dangerous to be his kind of Jew in the USA, that Israel would be a place of safety! (Masada anybody?)

  23. American
    November 21, 2013, 10:41 am

    Insults fly in U.S.-Israel showdown
    (snips)
    One way to measure just how tense U.S.-Israeli relations have become: Look at how prominent proxies for both sides are duking it out in public.
    By that standard, the friendship is cratering, with supporters and opponents of a White House-backed nuclear deal with Iran rhetorically at one another’s throats.
    A well-regarded Obama foreign policy surrogate with close White House ties, Colin Kahl, and the best-known media voice for pro-Israel forces in Washington, Josh Block, got into a nasty Twitter tangle over the weekend that laid bare how caustic the Iran debate has become between the two staunch allies.
    “As usual, U don’t know what UR talking about & R advocating max alt[ernative] that’ll lead 2 war,” wrote Kahl, a top Pentagon official during Obama’s first term and the co-chairman of the president’s foreign policy board during his 2012 reelection campaign.

    “There you go again – typical vile smear,” replied Block, a former spokesman for the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee. “Hateful notion fm WH that supporters of talks 4 better terms R ‘warmongers’ & urge media,allies 2 smear critics as not acting 4 US interests.”
    “Thanks Mr. Pot. Sincerely, Mr. Kettle,” Kahl countered later.

    The bitter showdown occurred just outside the veil of officialdom, where diplomatic conventions and the desire to keep intact the broad bipartisan coalition supportive of Israel dictate that formal spokespeople for the White House, the Israeli government and the largest pro-Israel groups carefully measure their on-the-record comments.

    “It’s the worst I’ve ever seen,” said Leslie Gelb, president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations. “The government officials on both sides aren’t going to say they’re enraged, but they are, and their supporters will tell you that. People on the fringes in Israel are saying it, supporters here are certainly saying it and Obama supporters are saying it, but not with a swipe at Israel.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/united-state-israel-foreign-relations-iran-nuclear-program-100107.html#ixzz2lIDMREDM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>

    I am loving this. Looks to me like some prominent and insider people have no fear of calling out the I-Firsters any more…the taboo is dead or at least dying.
    I think back to the early days when I kept warning the US I-Lovers that the US and Israeli interest were not the same and a showdown would come one day when those interest diverged and they would have to choose the US or Israel. They said that would ‘never happen’ – well here it is—with probably more to come.

    • Shingo
      November 21, 2013, 5:32 pm

      Thanks for that American,

      This is pretty entertaining stuff.

      Josh Block is a vile piece of work. The reason he left AIPAC was to work as their foul mouthed attack dog, while giving AIPAC a veneer of deniability.

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