Video: Nabi Saleh activist shot at point blank range by Israeli border police (Updated)

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Mairav Zonszein has some details on the video above:

An Israeli Border Policeman was videotaped shooting Palestinian activist Manal Tamimi in the leg with a rubber-coated bullet from very close range in the Palestinian village of Nabi Saleh on Friday.

According to Bilal Tamimi, who shot the video, and a report from the Palestine News Network, the border policeman was no more than a few meters from Manal when he shot her in her knee region, reportedly causing a fracture to her bone from the impact. Tamimi told +972 they also tried to break his camera.

Zonszein adds, “In addition to Manal, two journalists were lightly injured and a girl was taken to the hospital after being hit with skunk water.”

Here’s another video circulating:

(Update) The Popular Struggle Coordination Committee just sent out this update:

Israeli forces shoot a Palestinian from a close range

Israeli forces shot a local female activist from Nabi Saleh Manal Tamimi today with rubber coated steel bullets from a close range. In addition to Manal, another two Palestinian and two journalists were lightly injured.

Manal was hit with 4 rubber coated steel bullets in her knees and legs and was later taken to a hospital in Ramallah. Another girl from Nabi Saleh was also taken to hospital after being hit with skunk water.

Israeli forces attacked the protestors in the village who protest weekly against the settlements with tear gas canisters, sound grenades, rubber bullets, rubber coated steel bullets and skunk water.

In 2011 a similar incident took place when Israeli forces shot dead Mustafa Tamimi in the face with a tear gas canister from a close range.

(Hat tip Refaat Alareer)

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  1. Blownaway
    December 27, 2013, 3:07 pm

    It’s hard to find documentation of anything that cowardly. The Israeli soldier is a empty shell waiting to crack

    • just
      December 27, 2013, 3:25 pm

      Yeah. And the men who came to her rescue and help are “seductive, dangerous Arab men”.

      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/vulnerable-seductive-dangerous.html

      The IOF are a cowardly bunch, indeed.

    • Obsidian
      December 28, 2013, 3:35 am

      Yes. They were retreating and retreating from two women who wouldn’t stop approaching them and their vehicle.

      The shooting was measured and 100% justified. If she’d had been a suicide bomber, those soldiers would have been all dead.

      • Sumud
        December 28, 2013, 9:37 am

        Is there any excuse you won’t make for the cowardly thuggish IDF Obsidian?

        It’s more than 5 years since there was a suicide bombing.

      • piotr
        December 28, 2013, 10:45 am

        Was shooting “measured and justified”? I am not an expert, but IDF is also capable of using other means, like clubbing. For example, one can see a video of Lt. Col. Eisner who used a gun without firing it at all. But he was removed to desk duty afterwards, so perhaps this is discouraged by IDF.

      • Ira Glunts
        December 28, 2013, 1:03 pm

        Eisner was actually sentenced to two months community service and kicked out the the IDF by a military court a couple of weeks ago as a result of his attack on the Danish youth and other activists.

        I would guess this sentence and punishment had more to do with the bad publicity his actions caused Israel than the actually transgression. Ironically, the Eisner judgement got little press in the US.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 29, 2013, 6:31 pm

        wow, interesting ira, i’m surprised.

      • Woody Tanaka
        December 28, 2013, 11:33 am

        “Yes. They were retreating and retreating from two women who wouldn’t stop approaching them and their vehicle.”

        Nope. They did not enter their vehicle and leave. They chose to stay.

        “The shooting was measured and 100% justified.”

        No, the shooter was a panicky craven who has no business having a weapon.

        “If she’d had been a suicide bomber, those soldiers would have been all dead.”

        LMAO. And if she’s been a space alien, they’d be getting anally probed right now.

        The fact is that she wasn’t and there is no reasonable basis to believe that she would be, so the use of this situation is 100% unjustifiable.

      • piotr
        December 28, 2013, 1:44 pm

        If there were a reasonable suspicion that some protesters may be suicide bombers, the way soldiers were deployed was idiotic. But there was none. These protests occur regularly and IDF knows very well what to expect. The type of individual personal confrontation shown in that video is well within the scope of regular occurrences.

        IDF training seems quite deficient in applications of the “measured way”. On practical level, it shows up when the troops are confronted by militant settlers, then they are simply baffled and do not know what to do. According to Wiki pages about those units, they train for “anti-terrorist actions” and are deployed to do harassment and crowd control.

      • Philip Munger
        December 28, 2013, 3:30 pm

        That is total bullshit, Obsidian. I strongly suspect believe that these so-called border guards (uniformed thugs) knew exactly who they shot, and what her threat level was.

        You are a pathetic apologist, and would be fired as publicist for any reputable company for dishing out garbage like you did above.

      • eljay
        December 28, 2013, 4:06 pm

        >> Yes. They were retreating and retreating from two women who wouldn’t stop approaching them and their vehicle.

        Two strong, manly, Zio-supremacist “Jewish State” soldiers frightened by two unarmed Palestinian in Palestine. Funny stuff. Maybe they felt guilty about being Zio-supremacist assholes.

        >> The shooting was measured and 100% justified. If she’d had been a suicide bomber, those soldiers would have been all dead.

        What a stupid comment. Aside from the fact that those supremacist “Jewish State” border policemen had 0% justification for being in Palestine shooting at Palestinians instead of being on the Israeli side of the / Partition border (Fail #1):
        – they let two Palestinian women get close enough to kill them “if they’d been suicide bombers” (Fail #2); and
        – shooting one of them in the leg wouldn’t have prevented either one or both of them from blowing themselves up “if either one or both of them had been suicide bombers” (Fail #3).

      • Daniel Rich
        December 28, 2013, 6:00 pm

        @ Obsidian,

        We both know a a suicide bomber has to pack explosives [and quite a bit to have a devastating effect], so you are telling me that a 4’3″ woman, wearing tight jeans and a sweater is a homicidal/existential threat?

        I’m actually proud to see that these two women have the frigging courage to walk up to heavily armed , trigger happy f***wits without any hesitation, because we both know their anger is justified.

        So, how’s upholding Apartheid going these days? Have enough fingers to fill all those cracks and gaping holes?

        Perhaps one day you’ll appreciate the fact that these two women have more guts in their eyelashes than those ff-ing ‘border guards’ will ever find in the deepest depth of whatever is left of their respective souls.

        Courage: I love it.

      • talknic
        December 29, 2013, 9:24 pm

        Obsidian “They were retreating and retreating “

        She appears to have walked about half way from the corner of the building to the vehicles before the video starts. It’s then 13 seconds before they shoot her.

        They had about 26 seconds to get in their vehicles and RUN AWAY.

        “If she’d had been a suicide bomber, those soldiers would have been all dead”

        Correct. Shooting her at such close range would’ve very likely have seen splattered IDF had she been a suicide bomber.

        That’s why it’s standard training for ‘coalition of the willing’ military in Afghanistan/Iraq, standard training for police world wide from what can gather. Never shoot a suspected suicide bomber at close range. It’s f&*)ing stupid!

        Suicide bombs are generally remotely controlled or detonated by RELEASING a button.

    • Kathleen
      December 28, 2013, 11:57 am

      there is plenty of documentation of many Israeli soldier and illegal settler cowardly actions on you tube etc. Although you tube is making these documented videos harder to access. Do not have time to do all of that linking now. But plenty of Israeli soldier/illegal settler cowardly actions. Just go google and look at you tube. Violent actions towards hundreds of Palestinian children by these same groups too

  2. Woody Tanaka
    December 27, 2013, 3:54 pm

    Yeah, this is the kind of stuff the Palestinians have to put up with every day (and count themselves lucky that no one was killed), but the likes of Fish and Dovkind and the ivory tower “intellectuals” are aghast that some organization — that most people have never heard of — had the temerity to make a symbolic step to do something to protect the shooting victim.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 28, 2013, 1:14 am

      (and count themselves lucky that no one was killed)

      if that were only true, too many have been martyred.

  3. Sycamores
    December 27, 2013, 5:50 pm

    if anyone is wondering how Manal was hit by four bullets from the one shot

    The israeli defence force (if you want to call them that) uses several rubber bullets that are fired from a special adapter attached to the muzzle of a rifle, similar to those used to launch rifle grenades. The rubber bullets are loaded into the front of the adapter, and propelled with a blank cartridge.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet

  4. eljay
    December 27, 2013, 7:45 pm

    >> An Israeli Border Policeman was videotaped shooting Palestinian activist Manal Tamimi in the leg with a rubber-coated bullet from very close range in the Palestinian village of Nabi Saleh on Friday.

    1. Supremacist “Jewish State” border policemen have no business being deep inside Palestinian territory – far from Israel’s / Partition borders – and assaulting Palestinians.

    2. Despite possessing weapons and being decked out in safety gear, those supremacist “Jewish State” soldiers managed to look like frightened little girls. I wonder if they were praying for Captain Israel to show up and rescue them.

    • seafoid
      December 28, 2013, 3:27 am

      The new Jewish soldier looks very like the old Cossack conscript. Who woulda thunk it?

  5. Daniel Rich
    December 27, 2013, 8:22 pm

    @ annie,

    Are you sure Manal Tamimi didn’t step in between the border cop and his target?

    Israel: Palestinian farmers to blame for settler attacks on their land.

    These guys should come to Vegas and play poker…

    Impact of rubber bullets !!Warning. Images might distress some!!

  6. Shuki
    December 27, 2013, 10:45 pm

    The headline omits that it was a rubber bullet.

    The story omits that the “protester” was aggressively marching towards the soldiers who were giving her commands to stop while she had an object looking like a large rock in her right hand.

    We’d expect nothing less from this author.

    By the way, isn’t it amusing to see all the “activists” huddles around with their cameras just hoping to catch some footage of a nasty injury to publicize and fan the flames against Israel. Of course, we get to the very end and see that her skin wasn’t even broken.

    Annie, if you’re so confident that the solider acted unreasonable, why don’t you march like that towards a cop in SF with a big rock in your hand and see what happens to you? Of course you won’t… because you know a rubber bullet to the knee would seem like noting compared to what would happen to any of us under the same circumstances. But then again, there are separate standards for the Jews and everyone else.

    • Djinn
      December 27, 2013, 11:35 pm

      Rubber bullets fired at close range are every bit as capable of causing fatal injury so your first hasbara screech is irrelevant. Second the protestors were on land that the IDF has no god damned right ordering them away from. It NOT IN ISRAEL! The separate standards for “Jews” (or Israelis to be accurate but that wouldn’t assist your pathetic attempt to smear people here as antisemites) that is on display here is that they are somehow allowed to REGULARLY use skunk water, tear gas and rubber and live ammo against protests and STILL try to bleat about what a democracy they are.

      Keep defending your vile Apartheid, it will not last forever.

    • ToivoS
      December 27, 2013, 11:50 pm

      Oh Shuki, you must be quivering in your boots to see a Palestinian woman “aggressively marching” against your occupation soldiers. Poor you, Shuki, it must be psychologically terrifying to see an aggressive Palestinian woman engage in nonviolent protest.

      Shuki, do you have any idea how cowardly you sound? Is that what you want us to think of you Israelis?

    • ritzl
      December 28, 2013, 12:03 am

      Get off their (Palestinian) land and none of it happens. :)

    • talknic
      December 28, 2013, 12:20 am

      @ Shuki “The story omits that the “protester” was aggressiv…”

      The story has a video you stupid person so we can SEE what transpires.

      Top video 00:09 The alleged ‘rock’ is soft and has what look like the strings on a purse.

      “By the way, isn’t it amusing to see all the “activists” huddles around with their cameras just hoping to catch some footage of a nasty injury to publicize and fan the flames against Israel”

      They video so the IDF can’t deny what transpires. Why would anyone want their own harmed?

      “Of course, we get to the very end and see that her skin wasn’t even broken”

      So what? Do you need blood that badly Nosferatu?

    • Cliff
      December 28, 2013, 12:32 am

      @snooki

      It’s clear you hate non-Jews.

      Palestinians and internationals carry video cameras so you Jewish supremacists can’t get away with LYING about what happened.

      Why don’t you want them reporting on the occupation and getting things on tape? You want them to lay down and die QUIETLY.

      • Shingo
        December 28, 2013, 3:37 am

        Palestinians and internationals carry video cameras so you Jewish supremacists can’t get away with LYING about what happened.

        Good point. Had there beenbi video footage, the Israelis would have gotten away with claiming the woman was carrying a machete or even a gun.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 28, 2013, 1:31 am

      if you’re so confident that the solider acted unreasonable, why don’t you march like that towards a cop in SF with a big rock in your hand ……But then again, there are separate standards for the Jews

      a separate standard for jews? in what racist world do you live in sucki, where the ‘cops’ are all jews? what are the jewish ‘cops’ doing in nabi saleh, palestine? who exactly are they policing and from what pray tell? the villagers have every right to be in their town, go to their spring, and police their own roads. and the fanatical thieving jewish colonialist ‘settlers’ do not have the right to steal their land and have jewish zionist cops attack the villagers whose families have been there for generations. occupation soldiers of an apartheid government are not analogous with ‘SF police officers’ and have no right to be policing these lands. get a grip.

      The story omits that the “protester” was aggressively marching towards the soldiers

      only if you’re blind deaf and dumb. the video clearly showed the courageous brave women facing off the apartheid-enforcing land-thieving-setter-protecting foreign military zionist occupation offense forces. and what ‘big rock’? what pathetic unhinged cowards you represent. you should be ashamed.

      F.O.C.

      • NickJOCW
        December 28, 2013, 6:41 am

        Annie, Shuki doesn’t believe any of that else there would be some passion in the comment, or a follow up response. I imagine such contributions are intended to divert outrage away from its proper object and onto the anonymous comment. Shuki can’t be bright enough to have worked that out, likely following a brief. It might be better simply to ignore such patent nonsense or adopt a single word response. How about ‘rubbish!’?

      • OlegR
        December 28, 2013, 6:56 am

        /only if you’re blind deaf and dumb. the video clearly showed the courageous brave women facing off the apartheid-enforcing land-thieving-setter-protecting foreign military zionist occupation offense forces. and what ‘big rock’? what pathetic unhinged cowards you represent. you should be ashamed./

        The courageous women aggressively approached the border policemen
        holding rocks in her hands.She is lucky she was shot in the legs instead
        of the chest which would have been fatal.
        Courage mixed with stupidity is dangerous.
        Try walking in the same manner towards a US cop and see what happens to you.

      • talknic
        December 28, 2013, 6:46 pm

        OlegR “The courageous women aggressively approached the border policemen holding rocks in her hands.”

        Evidence of these alleged rocks? NIL! You’re a sick joke

        “Try walking in the same manner towards a US cop and see what happens to you”

        You’d probably be tazered if you were a man. Probably manhandled if you were a woman.

      • Cliff
        December 28, 2013, 3:57 pm

        Annie isn’t a racist at all Dim Duck.

        They are Jewish cops, Jewish colonists, and deaf + dumb.

        Your accusations are ignorant and asinine.

        Nabi Saleh is in Area C, under full Israel police and civil control, and ISRAELI police has every right to be there. Moreover, given a significant number of Druze, Bedouin or non-Jewish members of Border Police units, this soldier may be not a Jew at all. The bruise that lady got, was an easy consequence of her approach to the soldier, by rules of engagement he had every right to shoot her with the LIVE ammo at her legs or even to kill her.

        ALL OF THE WBANK is Palestine. You and the other Jewish colonists have no authority – legal, moral, political – in any part of Palestine.

        You are there by force, expanding your Jewish colonies and lording over the Palestinians with your guns.

        Get the hell off their land you terrorist.

      • Cliff
        December 28, 2013, 4:06 pm

        Dim Duck said:

        […]he had every right to shoot her with the LIVE ammo at her legs or even to kill her.

        Why is this allowed to continue? Seriously?

        @Phil, Annie, ETC ETC

        Why don’t you moderate this blog! Everywhere else on the Net, you can find people justifying killing civilians who aren’t the right race/religion/ethnicity.

        Why the F does it have to be at MW TOO? Is this what you expect us to donate for? So we can read this bullshit?

      • Annie Robbins
        December 28, 2013, 5:34 pm

        i didn’t clear those comments. if i had my druthers they wouldn’t be posting on MW. and the allegation manal was going to throw a rock isn’t confirmed by her body language nor anything in the video. she could have just had a clenched fist.

        the argument the occupation forces have a right to be there and police these people is absurd. the palestinians are not obligated to consider them as their authority, after decades of this. the whole set up is illegal and oslo, an agreement which granted israel temporary authority over area c, was over years ago. so as far as i am concerned we’re just providing an outlet for israel state apartheid authority to blast their hasbara propaganda here. i’m not sure who moderated those comments. but they are sick.

        perhaps they are published to show the ugliness of zionist occupation representatives. that’s the only logical explanation i can think of.

        anyway, i am deleting the comment claiming the soldier had a ‘right to kill her’, we shouldn’t have to provide a forum for that kind of violent hate speech.

      • MHughes976
        December 28, 2013, 8:23 pm

        They’ve been all over us since the ASA business, haven’t they? And there must be more of them in reserve. I thoroughly applaud Mondoweiss’ openness to conflicting views but I do think that the time has come for outrageous value judgements – ‘they were entitled to kill her’ etc. – should be banned here along with Nakba denial. As you say, there is plenty of opportunity for these views to be expressed elsewhere.

      • Djinn
        December 29, 2013, 2:04 am

        Have to agree. I’ve always donated when I can but since the last donation I’ve not been here much. The trolls are way to thick on the ground and the repulsive racist venom they’re allowed to spew here seems to have ratcheted up. I can read their bile anywhere, it would be really nice if the comments policy could actually be upheld, instead we get constant Nakba denial & racist tropes.

      • ziusudra
        December 29, 2013, 12:45 pm

        Greetings Djinn & Cliff,
        an outlet should allow both sides to be printed as long as it clearly states that pro & con Versions of He claims, She claims.
        We are all capable of realizing that whatever one claims to be the truth needn’t be.
        I got thrown off of ‘Israel Today’ by the Evangelicals Zios not the bonafide
        ones of professional Cabal Hasbara Golem Ditties, who don’t seem to need to support the Evangelicals!
        ziusudra
        PS MW has very good People doing excellent work.
        Many good contributors like seafoid, dickerson, katheleen, tanaka talknic, just, walid, shmuel, shmud, hostage, shingo, etc. & anyone else’s whose name i can’t conjure up momentarily, incidentially, who maybe one or two happen to be confessers to Judaism. We should not only listen to non Zionist Judaists. _Lastly, the way written history,written political events & knowledge of historical religious accounts, not biblical fairy tale Mythology of Religion flows, we have seen how easy it is for Hitchens’ Chromsky, & Finkelstein to floor The Desh. & his followers to say nothing of those
        dimwitted Evangelicals. We are not here to win a ‘flower pot’ over Apologists of Conquest, Occupation & Apartheid, but to tell like it is.
        Happy N.Y.

      • Djinn
        December 29, 2013, 7:37 pm

        Its not that Zionists or anyone else posts here, it’s that they regularly breach the fairly open comments policy. There are plenty of places online I can read Nakba denial or people stating that the brave IDF have the right to slaughter Palestinians for non violent protest. I come to MW *because* I don’t want to plow through that shite to get to decent comments.

      • Hostage
        December 29, 2013, 7:48 pm

        Greetings Djinn & Cliff,
        an outlet should allow both sides to be printed as long as it clearly states that pro & con Versions of He claims, She claims.
        We are all capable of realizing that whatever one claims to be the truth needn’t be.

        There shouldn’t be any question of moderating comments that justify, condone, or trivialize war crimes or crimes against humanity that target individuals because they are Jews or Palestinians. Those sort of remarks aren’t just impolite, they are illegal and can get a web site blocked in many jurisdictions or blacklisted by institutions. They don’t contribute to intellegent conversastion either.

        What I see in the video is the “ill-treatment of a civilian population” as defined by Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions and the “Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid.” as defined in Article II of the Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid. This is, after all, a weekly demonstration in a Palestinian village against an illegal wall and an illegal administrative regime.

        When it declared the Wall and the associated military regime illegal, the International Court of Justice cited among other things the fact that the construction of the wall has led to the destruction or requisition of properties under conditions which contravene the requirements of Articles 46 and 52 of the Hague Regulations of 1907 and of Article 53 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. It also cited a UN Commission and Special Rapportuer’s report (see paragraphs 132-134) that were included in the Secretary General’s 1,000 page dossier. The reports noted that initial phases of the Constrution of the Wall had resulted in the confiscation or disappearance of some 100,000 dunams of the West Banks most fertile agricultural land: “vast amounts of property, notably private agricultural land and olive trees, wells, citrus grows and hothouses upon which tens of thousands of Palestinians rely for their survival“. It also noted that the Wall and its associated administrative regime violated fundamental human rights and freedoms for which no exceptions are allowed.

        The reports also noted that for many Israeli and Palestinian commentators, the policy of land confiscation is inspired by an underlying strategy of gradually isolating Palestinian communities into separate territorial areas or “Bantustans” and referred to the structure as an “apartheid wall”. See E/CN.4/2004/10/Add.2, 31 October 2003

        We shouldn’t allow anyone to justify, deny, condone, or trivialize this sort of blatant criminal behavior.

      • Hostage
        December 28, 2013, 7:14 pm

        and ISRAELI police has every right to be there.

        Except of course for any legal rights or claims. The attack on Arab territory in June of 1967 was an act of aggression and Emergency Special Sessions of the UN General Assembly subsequently demanded Israel’s immediate and unconditional withdrawal of its armed forces from the Arab territories it has occupied since 1967 in violation of the Charter and the applicable UN resolutions. The General Assembly defined Israel’s continuing occupation as an act of aggression. See resolution
        * ES-9/1 http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/6085DC3BB28CB9B205256561005BE5E3
        * A/Res/39/146 http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/39/a39r146.htm

      • dimadok
        December 28, 2013, 7:57 pm

        @Hostage.
        These and other UN resolutions are a worthless pieces of paper, serving political needs of Israel hate, bashing and diversion from problems at any given country that had supported them. Unless you claim that Oslo accords are invalid and null, you have no argument here. UN bias had gone beyond being ridiculous, and became an insult to a common sense. As you argument as well.

      • Shingo
        December 28, 2013, 8:19 pm

        @Dim

        These and other UN resolutions are a worthless pieces of paper, serving political needs of Israel hate, bashing and diversion from problems at any given country that had supported them.

        That’s hilarious given that Israel are only to happy to wave 242 in the air when it suits them. Your hysteria and irrationality only confirms how indefensible Israel’s position is, when shills like you resort to arguing that international law is anti-Israel, especially considering that those laws existed before Israel came into existence.

        Unless you claim that Oslo accords are invalid and null, you have no argument here.

        They are invalid and null. They expired after 5 years.

        It’s UN bias had gone beyond being ridiculous, it’s the extraordinary lengths it’s apologists will go to in order to defend the indefensible.

        There is nothing common about your sense . Your logic is anti intellectual and immoral.

      • talknic
        December 29, 2013, 9:37 pm

        @dimadok “These and other UN resolutions are a worthless pieces of paper, serving political needs of Israel hate”

        No dim, the hundreds of UNSC Chapter VI resolutions are reminders to Israel of the binding Laws, binding UN charter and relevant binding conventions re-affirmed, recalled and emphasized in the resolutions.

        They are OPPORTUNITIES given to Israel to adhere to the binding laws they mention. Hundreds of OPPORTUNITIES Israel has ignored.

        “UN bias had gone beyond being ridiculous, and became an insult to a common sense.”

        Is a power company biased when it issues reminders to customers to adhere to their legal obligations by paying their bills?

      • thankgodimatheist
        December 30, 2013, 2:06 am

        “These and other UN resolutions are a worthless pieces of paper, serving political needs of Israel hate”
        I’m not getting this hate business so you may have to explain it to me. If, say, Norway or Guatemala votes for a resolution condemning Israeli occupation, are they doing it because they “hate Israel”? Are there only 2 or 3 countries in the world, (the US, Micronesia and the Marshal islands) who do not hate Israel? If yes, maybe you can explain why only 2 or 3 countries in the world do not hate Israel?

      • Hostage
        December 30, 2013, 4:13 am

        Unless you claim that Oslo accords are invalid and null, you have no argument here.

        The Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (Oslo II)
        (September 28, 1995), CHAPTER 2 – REDEPLOYMENT AND SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS, ARTICLE XI, “Land”, Article 2 The two sides agree that West Bank and Gaza Strip territory, except for issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations, will come under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Council in a phased manner, to be completed within 18 months from the date of the inauguration of the Council, as specified below:

        2. (3) In Area C, during the first phase of redeployment Israel will transfer to the Council civil powers and responsibilities not relating to territory, as set out in Annex III.

        Article 3: For the purpose of this Agreement and until the completion of the first phase of the further redeployments:

        3. (3) “Area C” means areas of the West Bank outside Areas A and B, which, except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations, will be gradually transferred to Palestinian jurisdiction in accordance with this Agreement.
        http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/interim.html

        So, your five years are up. Which portions of the Land or civil powers in Area C were transferred, gradually or otherwise, to the Palestinians?

      • talknic
        December 30, 2013, 6:15 am

        @ Shingo

        ” Israel are only to happy to wave 242 in the air when it suits them”

        While changing the wording to suit themselves ‘negotiate’ doesn’t appear in the actual resolution. Nor does ‘defensible’ http://wp.me/PDB7k-6r

        The cute Hasbara theory about not having to withdraw from all the “territories occupied in the recent conflict” is shown to be completely false by subsequent UNSC resolutions (UNSC 476 for example). Israel’s arguments are ‘specially concocted for extremely stupid people and those who don’t check.

      • Hostage
        December 28, 2013, 11:40 pm

        Unless you claim that Oslo accords are invalid and null, you have no argument here.

        LoL! The ICJ was asked to determine the legal consequences of the construction of the Wall, “considering the rules and principles of international law, including the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, and relevant Security Council and General Assembly resolutions”

        The Judges did take note of the fact that the Interim Accords on the West Bank and Gaza had mentioned a number of times “the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people” (see paragraph 118). You might remember they declared that the Israeli settlements and the Israeli administrative regime associated with the Wall were all illegal, including the ones in Area C. The Court said they had all been established in violation of Israel’s obligations under the rules and principles of international law, including the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, and the relevant Security Council and General Assembly resolutions.

        So I would argue that you are incorrect.

      • dimadok
        December 29, 2013, 11:54 am

        @Hostage. So then both PA and Israel are in violation of ICJ ADVISORY opinion, by conforming to Oslo accords and the whole framework established by them?
        Brilliant argumentation Hostage-I am eager to see how this will fly at any future ICJ challenges of PA-Israel agreements brokered by US and others!
        Just for a record, I have no judicial education at all, and it seems that you had skipped some introductory courses in logics, while taking yours.

      • Hostage
        December 29, 2013, 8:01 pm

        @Hostage. So then both PA and Israel are in violation of ICJ ADVISORY opinion, by conforming to Oslo accords and the whole framework established by them?

        The notion that Israel is abiding by the terms of the Oslo Accords or even the Declaration of Principles is completely risible. They explicitly conditioned the continued exercise of the Israeli military commander’s jurisdiction on compliance with international law.

        The only thing illogical here are your attempts to employ the same stupid arguments employed by Dr. Alan Baker of the Israeli MFA that were rejected by the ICJ. UN resolutions always have effects and consequences in international law.

      • talknic
        December 29, 2013, 10:05 pm

        @ dimadok ” So then both PA and Israel are in violation of ICJ ADVISORY opinion”

        One can’t be in violation of an opinion. One can be in violation of the Law, UN Charter and relative conventions. The opinions given by the court have been that Israel is in breach of the Law and UN Charter and; the Law, UN Charter and relative conventions fall in favour of the Palestinians.

        The ONLY protection Israel has from the consequences of its illegal actions, is the oh so precious US UNSC veto vote. It’s critical to Israel in order to save it from bankruptcy were it to face the full force of the law.

        ” I have no judicial education at all, and it seems that you had skipped some introductory courses in logics, while taking yours”

        I have no judicial education. The majority of people in the world have no judicial education. That’s why UNSC resolutions are very carefully crafted, so when one carefully reads the words and ONLY the words, they’re quite logical and easy to understand.

        That you don’t understand them shows you either skip the logics to come to the conclusions you’re being paid to propagate or not being paid, you have severe psychological impairment.

    • Shingo
      December 28, 2013, 4:45 am

      Annie, if you’re so confident that the solider acted unreasonable, why don’t you march like that towards a cop in SF with a big rock in your hand and see what happens to you?

      Dumb comparison. For a start,that cop in SF would be from SF, not from some occupation that is stealing land an settling illegal immigrants. If he were, US citizens would be out in the streets with their guns shooting at these criminals.

    • Woody Tanaka
      December 28, 2013, 11:35 am

      “Annie, if you’re so confident that the solider acted unreasonable, why don’t you march like that towards a cop in SF with a big rock in your hand and see what happens to you? Of course you won’t… because you know a rubber bullet to the knee would seem like noting compared to what would happen to any of us under the same circumstances.”

      Shame on you for suggesting that the professional police in the US would act the way this pants-pissing coward acted. To call “police” is to insult the police of the world. (And isn’t it peculiar that the Hebrew-speaking israelis paint the English word “police” on their Army vehicles when sending their unformed terrorist gunmen to invade the land of Arab speaking people? Gee whiz, I wonder, wonder, wonder why they would do such a thing….)

      “But then again, there are separate standards for the Jews and everyone else.”

      Yeah, just not in the way you think.

  7. Cliff
    December 28, 2013, 3:01 am

    So glad we have moderation here. 972+ does some good reporting but it is such a cesspool of Jewish supremacy.

    Check out their comments section. That is what it would be like here if the trolls were allowed to run amok.

  8. unverified__5ilf90kd
    December 28, 2013, 3:50 am

    This is one of the reasons I personally support BDS. Israel wants us to treat them like they are a civilized member of the EU but they act in this lunatic criminal manner against the Palestinians every day of the week. And then they espouse the irrational belief that you must be anti-Semitic if you hate Israel. I immediately joined the ASA this week in solidarity. Please do the same. Ron

  9. AbeBird
    December 28, 2013, 6:28 am

    Manal Tamimi is an excellent HasbaraH agent. But what state let violent protestors to get closer and approach the police / army soldiers? It is not happend in the US nor even in Denmark! Protesters know that they should apply to the police rules or otherwise will be treated properly. The Palestinians are using the generosity of the Israelis and trying to impose their roll on the scene and fix their rules there. Yet the Israelis treat them too soft, but when needs to stop their violent it stops even by shoot.
    Btw, I saw no hit on the leg, No hole in the trousers! no pouring blood. It’s all amature decorated makeup!!! It’s all again a Falsetinian proPALganda HasbaraH that you wish to buy for free and not paid by you!!!!

    • Djinn
      December 29, 2013, 2:06 am

      Please point to one protest in Israel by Jewish Israelis that was met with rubber bullets or STFU

      • Shuki
        December 29, 2013, 7:47 pm

        Please point to one protest in Israel by Jewish Israelis where the protesters throw rocks at the police, try to grab their guns to shoot them or blow themselves up in hopes of taking as many people with them.

        That’s what I though…

      • James North
        December 29, 2013, 10:26 pm

        A Jewish Israeli murdered the Israeli prime minister in 1995 because he was talking peace with Palestinians, and many Israelis treat the murderer as a hero. That sounds like an extreme form of “protest.”

      • Shuki
        December 30, 2013, 12:05 am

        And he’s in jail serving a life sentence. (compare with how killers are revered among the palestinians). I’ll take it from your irrelevant non-sequitor that you’re unable to cite a single case where Jewish Israelis where the protesters throw rocks at the police, try to grab their guns to shoot them or blow themselves up in hopes of taking as many people with them.

      • Hostage
        December 30, 2013, 4:33 am

        (compare with how killers are revered among the palestinians).

        They learned it from their Zionist neighbors. See “To the Victor Go the Street Names”, Gershom Gorenberg, January 13, 2010 http://prospect.org/article/victor-go-street-names-0

        We don’t have to go all the way to Israel, the West Bank settlers in the outposts throw rocks at the Israeli Police, e.g. West Bank settlers throw rocks at police sent to remove them http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/28/west-bank-settlers-throw-rocks-at-police-sent-to-remove-them/

      • tree
        December 30, 2013, 12:34 am

        Please point to one protest in Israel by Jewish Israelis where the protesters throw rocks at the police…

        Good lord, you are ignorant of what goes on in Israel aren’t you? I’ll give you 5 off the top of my head, three of which occurred within the last year, with one happening earlier this month. I could give you many more if I didn’t mind wasting twenty minutes on a google search to prove your idiotic point wrong. Stone throwing is endemic in Israeli by both Jews and Palestinians. Only the Palestinian stone throwers suffer any severe penalties for their actions though.

        “Right-wing(Jewish) extremists attack IDF base in West Bank”, from December 2011:

        http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Right-wing-extremists-attack-IDF-base-in-West-Bank

        From July 2011:

        “Haredim throw rocks at police in Mea Shearim”

        http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Haredim-throw-rocks-at-police-in-Mea-Shearim

        From earlier this month(December 2013):

        “Indictment: Iron bars thrown at police who rescue haredi soldier
        Haredim who attacked police officers attempting rescue of haredi soldier in Mea Shearim neighborhood charged Friday morning with aggravated assault of officer, disturbing officer in line of duty, rioting”.

        http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4404185,00.html

        From May this year(2013):

        “J’lem: 30,000 haredim protest against enlistment reform
        Thousands of haredim protested outside Jerusalem’s IDF recruitment center in wake of ongoing discussion regarding haredi enlistment reform being put forward by Peri Committee. Protesters hold signs, burn trash bins, throw stones”

        http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4380746,00.html

        From August this year (2013):

        “Burial site construction sparks ultra-Orthodox protests Demonstrators burn garbage cans, block roads as building begins in a compound near Beit Shemesh said to contain ancient Jewish graves” {my note: stones were also thrown at police during this protest}

        http://www.timesofisrael.com/burial-site-construction-sparks-ultra-orthodox-protests/

        Interestingly, Israeli police didn’t feel the desire to fire rubber bullets or kill anyone when the protesters were fellow Jews, even though the Jewish stone throwers caused injury to the police, which Manal didn’T do, and neither did she throw a stone. Do you suppose that Dimadok will insist that the Israeli police would have been justified in killing a few ultra-Orthodox demonstrators? I doubt it.

      • Shingo
        December 30, 2013, 1:14 am

        Please point to one protest in Israel by Jewish Israelis where the protesters throw rocks at the police, try to grab their guns to shoot them or blow themselves up in hopes of taking as many people with them.

        Right after you show us an example of protest in Israel by Jewish Israelis against an occupation army that is there illegally.

      • Djinn
        December 30, 2013, 2:14 am

        If that’s what you thought then you are even thicker than you appeared at first glance. There are NUMEROUS examples of Jewish Israeli citizens attacking Israeli forces (in Israel and the OT) and none of them meet with the reprisals that Palestinians meet. Thankfully MW has many commenters who can (and did) show just how utterly pig ignorant you are, your pathetic attempt at a gotcha might fly elsewhere but not here.

    • Talkback
      December 29, 2013, 10:31 pm

      You sound as stupid as a holocaust denier.

    • thankgodimatheist
      December 30, 2013, 6:11 am

      Someone is clearly mistaking Mondoweiss for Arutz Sheva…

    • talknic
      December 30, 2013, 6:25 am

      @ AbeBird “But what state let violent protestors to get closer and approach the police / army soldiers? “

      The incident was not in the State of Israel, it was in Occupied Territories. In Occupied Territories civil law governing things like protests is that of the occupied, not the occupier.

      It is not happend in the US nor even in Denmark! “

      US law and Danish law apply in the US and Denmark, their rules do not apply in non-US and non-Danish territory. The brave Israeli IDF were not in Israel.

      “The Palestinians are using the generosity of the Israelis..”

      Occupation is generous…. say ….. you’re really funny

      “I saw no hit on the leg”

      Try watching the video or perhaps opening your eyes? Maybe get your guide dog to describe it to you.

      ” no pouring blood. “

      Abe Nosferatu Bird needs to see human blood!

  10. a blah chick
    December 28, 2013, 8:47 am

    Do the hasbarists realize just how stupid the whole “they provoke us to shoot” schtick is? A word of advice to these soldiers: if you think they’re trying to provoke you don’t react! Behave like the professionals you claim to be.

    Then again maybe they just like shooting people.

  11. xanadou
    December 28, 2013, 9:37 pm

    Inasmuch as my heart goes out to Manal Tamimi, and hope that the bullets did not destroy her legs, and that she recovers shortly, I am very much impressed by the fighting spirit of the Palestinian women. I expect, hope, that Palestinian men are getting used to seeing the girls and women as equal partners in the fight against the zio-nazis. When this genocidal war against Palestine is over, I hope that the men will remember this and adopt and maintain a more tolerant attitude towards the other half of their population; they are paying for it with their lives.

    You go girls!

  12. Citizen
    December 29, 2013, 7:50 am

    There’s no indication in the video that she was doing more than quickly walking up to the “policemen.” Her arms were never raised, except once very briefly, as if she was shaking her fist–this was at the beginning of her approach. When she got close enough she’d be clearly heard by those men without shouting, one shot her in the lower part of one leg, as they were all backing away from her. If she had a bomb strapped to her it sure wasn’t strapped below her waist. I couldn’t tell if she had anything in her hands. It didn’t look like it to me. I think she was just very angry and wanted to give those men a piece of her mind.

  13. Ythree
    December 29, 2013, 3:03 pm

    They shot her and then left…. in a hurry: cowards !
    All other considerations aside, any civilized police force, if they must shoot, then calls for medical help.

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