Shimon Peres on Mandela and Apartheid: Now & Then

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Now:

The world lost a great leader who changed the course of history. On behalf of the citizens of Israel we mourn alongside the nations of the world and the people of South Africa, who lost an exceptional leader. Nelson Mandela was a fighter for human rights who left an indelible mark on the struggle against racism and discrimination. He was a passionate advocate for democracy, a respected mediator, a Nobel peace prize laureate and above all a builder of bridges of peace and dialogue who paid a heavy personal price for his struggle in the years he spent in prison and fighting for his people. Nelson Mandela’s legacy for his people and for the world will forever remain engraved in the pages of history and the hearts of all those who were touched by him. He will be remembered forever.

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From Shimon Peres’s Facebook page.

Then:

In November 1974, Shimon Peres came to Pretoria to meet secretly with South African leaders. After the trip he wrote to his hosts thanking them for helping to establish a “vitally important” link between the two governments. Peres — who routinely denounced apartheid in public — went on to stress that “this cooperation is based not only on common interests and on the determination to resist equally our enemies, but also on the unshakeable foundations of our common hatred of injustice and out refusal to submit to it.” Peres predicted that “the new links which you have helped to forge between our two countries will develop into a close identity of aspirations and interests which will turn out to be of longstanding benefit to our countries.” Over the next two decades Peres’s prediction would prove to be remarkably accurate.

He met South African defense minister P.W. Botha the following year in Switzerland, and it was there that the two ministers laid the foundation for an enduring military relationship.

From The Unspoken Alliance: Israel’s Secret Relationship with Apartheid South Africa, p. 80.

 

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  1. Justpassingby
    December 6, 2013, 4:57 pm

    Nelson shouldnt have gone to Israel.

    • yrn
      December 6, 2013, 6:37 pm

      But He did and said
      “He went on to say he ‘understood’ why Israel would continue to occupy land as long as Arab states remained at war with Israel.
      I cannot conceive of Israel withdrawing if Arab states do not recognize Israel, within secure borders,’ ”
      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/mandela-says-israel-must-give-up-arab-land–but-only-for-peace-740133.html

      • Ellen
        December 7, 2013, 7:13 pm

        yrn, from the same source you cite, Mandella is quoted,

        “My view is that talk of peace remains hollow if Israel continues to occupy Arab lands,” Mandela said after a lengthy meeting with Foreign Minister David Levy./

        And
        Mandela’s word carries considerable moral weight in the Arab world, where he forged allies during his long struggle against apartheid. Israel backed the apartheid state.

        And
        Mandela also visited Iran, and said he is convinced the country bears no aggressive intentions toward Israel.Levy interrupted, telling Mandela that Iran had demonstrated implacable hostility to the Jewish state by backing south Lebanese anti-Israel guerrillas, as well as terror attacks against Israel and Jews abroad.

        The hasbara industry is working overtime right now creating revisionist history.

        Two days ago a caller into the PBS Diane Rheem radio show reminded listeners that the US government branded Mandela as a terrorist, helped imprison the man and undermined his cause; and that we should be very cautious of the terrorist branding.

        A panelist immediately responded with an attempted parallel to the international designation of a number of Israeli leaders as terrorists at one time.

        This attempt to equate the man, Mandela and his life struggle against Aparteid with the likes of Shamir or Begin and their blood and soil colonial enterprise was revolting.

      • hophmi
        December 9, 2013, 12:44 pm

        Way to expropriate Mandela for your own purposes.

        Mandela forgave and moved on. Mondoweiss, obviously his moral superior, does not. LOL.

  2. seafoid
    December 6, 2013, 5:14 pm

    Peres told the leader of Cameroon that a Jew and apartheid do not go together.
    Perhaps he meant that in Israel they are actually one.

    • traintosiberia
      December 7, 2013, 9:38 pm

      “Shimon Peres was defence minister at the time of Vorster’s visit to Jerusalem and twice served as prime minister during the 1980s when Israel drew closest to the apartheid government. He shies away from questions about the morality of ties to the white regime. “I never think back. Since I cannot change the past, why should I deal with it?” he says.

      Pressed about whether he ever had doubts about backing a government that was the antithesis of what Israel said it stood for, Peres says his country was struggling for survival. “Every decision is not between two perfect situations. Every choice is between two imperfect alternatives. At that time the movement of black South Africa was with Arafat against us. Actually, we didn’t have much of a choice. But we never stopped denouncing apartheid. We never agreed with it.”

      Three years ago, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported the former Italian prime minister, Massimo D’Alema, as telling dinner guests at a Jerusalem hotel that, on a visit to Rome a few years earlier, Sharon had told him that the bantustan model was the most appropriate solution to the conflict with the Palestinians. When one of the guests suggested to D’Alema that he was interpreting, not repeating, Sharon’s words, the former prime minister said not. “No, sir, that is not interpretation. That is a precise quotation of your prime minister,” he said.

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/07/southafrica.israel

      Peres was denouncing what part of apartheid? The part that Sharon was and now Bennet and Liberman and Nathanyu applying?

  3. seafoid
    December 6, 2013, 5:59 pm

    Nelson Mandela was a fighter for human rights (which are not recognized here) who left an indelible mark on the struggle against racism and discrimination (which does not apply to Jews here) . He was a passionate advocate for democracy (which we cannot afford here) , a respected mediator (which we refuse here), a Nobel peace prize laureate and above all a builder of bridges of peace and dialogue (which we string along here) who paid a heavy personal price for his struggle in the years he spent in prison and fighting for his people (we have many prisoners and none of them belong to a people) . Nelson Mandela’s legacy for his people and for the world will forever remain engraved in the pages of history and the hearts of all those who were touched by him my little pony I believe in moms and apple pie

    • pabelmont
      December 6, 2013, 6:36 pm

      seafoid — funny, tragic, and right on! Except I don’t know that I believe that Peres actually likes mom, ponies, or apple pie. I imagine a similar re-write could be made of Obama’s eulogy: here in USA we have PATRIOT Act (for freedom), NSA-uber-alles (for privacy), corporate-oligarchy (for democracy), and cowardice for bravery.

  4. Erasmus
    December 7, 2013, 5:24 am

    RE seafoid’s little pony, moms and apple pie…..

    If one was to marvle about Simon Peres’ salient character feature –
    Go and see what
    Uri Avnery tells about his country’s president: No.1 Deceiptful and a hypocrite par excellence.

  5. mcohen
    December 7, 2013, 5:39 am

    in those days the south Africans needed military assistance fighting the communist influences in Africa on behalf of America much like Israel did in the middle east.the Russians supplied arms to the anc in south Africa,the Egyptians and Syrians. the americans through Israel supported the south African government in its fight against the Cubans for the oil in angola which was being pumped by gulf oil

    here is some background

    http://everything2.com/title/Angolan+Civil+War

    “apartheid” in south Africa and Israel are a direct result of anglo american
    foreign policy

    • ToivoS
      December 7, 2013, 6:00 pm

      Well mc that says it all. If a nation is fighting communism and/or terrorism then colonialism is OK. That was the justification in the overthrow of Mossedegh in Iran and Arbenz in Guatemala (even though both were nationalist). All you have to do is lie about their goals and Israel will continue to occupy the land of the Palestinians. Great formula as long as it works. But sorry mc, it is not working anymore. Mandela and the ANC defeated apartheid in SA as will the Palestinians in, well, Palestine.

      • mcohen
        December 7, 2013, 6:59 pm

        Toivos

        Why was the state of israel reestablished in 1948 with U N endorsement.
        what followed will always be disputed
        look people say clutching to the “apartheid” banner ,here is proof
        but the UN itself called for a partition of palestine,and what is the difference between partition and apartheid in the context of the i/p fugwattah

        partition [pɑːˈtɪʃən]
        n
        1. a division into parts; separation
        2. something that separates, such as a large screen dividing a room in two
        3. a part or share
        4. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a division of a country into two or more separate nations
        5. (Law) Property law a division of property, esp realty, among joint owners

        a·part·heid (-pärtht, -ht)
        n.
        1. An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites.
        2. A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.
        3. The condition of being separated from others; segregation.

        The adoption on November 29, 1947 by the United Nations General Assembly of a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of a plan of partition of Palestine was one of the earliest acts of the United Nations, This followed the report of the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine.[3]

        http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel,_Palestine,_and_the_United_Nations

      • Hostage
        December 9, 2013, 7:05 pm

        Why was the state of israel reestablished in 1948 with U N endorsement.

        Well for starters, the UN didn’t endorse the ancient racist commonwealth or its reestablishment. It imposed a minority treaty on the two proposed states that both have tried to weasel out of ever since.

      • Woody Tanaka
        December 9, 2013, 8:05 pm

        “Why was the state of israel reestablished in 1948 with U N endorsement.”

        Noting was “reestablished”. The zio state was established because the powers that be in the UN were corrupted by the zionists and so many of the world’s people were themselves suffering under the same yoke of colonialism that was at work in South Africa and Palestine so were not permitted to vote on the question. (Not that the vote was legitimate anyway.)

        “but the UN itself called for a partition of palestine,”

        Yeah and the Israeli Jews immediately instituted apartheid policies to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, steal their property, deny them their right of return, and holding them under martial law for years.

        No the UN didn’t vote for Apartheid in Palestine. The zios are solely responsible for that crime.

    • Woody Tanaka
      December 9, 2013, 7:49 pm

      ““apartheid” in south Africa and Israel are a direct result of anglo american
      foreign policy”

      BS. Don’t blame the anglo americans for these evils. Apartheid has roots in the Dutch colonial days and the zios were planning their evil back in the 19th C.

  6. seafoid
    December 7, 2013, 9:30 am

    Mandela was cool. I can imagine him looking down on Israel now singing the Stone Roses to Peres.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRwR7avc5Oc

    Don’t waste your words I don’t need anything from you
    I don’t care where you’ve been or what you plan to do

    Turn turn, I wish you’d learn
    There’s a time and place for everything I’ve got to get it through
    Cut loose, you’re no use
    I couldn’t stand another second in your company

    Don’t waste your words I don’t need anything from you
    I don’t care where you’ve been or what you plan to do

    Stone me, why can’t you see
    You’re a no-one nowhere washed up baby who’d look better dead

    Your tongue is far too long
    I don’t like the way it sucks and slurps upon my every word

    Don’t waste your words I don’t need anything from you
    I don’t care where you’ve been or what you plan to do

    I am the resurrection and I am the light
    I couldn’t ever bring myself to hate you as I’d like

  7. ToivoS
    December 7, 2013, 1:14 pm

    Here is a story I missed before. The CIA provided SA police with the information to arrest Mandela in 1961

    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/10/world/cia-tie-reported-in-mandela-arrest.html

  8. traintosiberia
    December 7, 2013, 9:34 pm

    The Anti-Defamation League participated in a blatant propaganda campaign against Nelson Mandela and the ANC in the mid 1980s and employed an alleged “fact-finder” named Roy Bullock to spy on the anti-apartheid campaign in the United States — a service he was simultaneously performing for the South African government. The ADL defended the white regime’s purported constitutional reforms while denouncing the ANC as “totalitarian, anti-humane, anti-democratic, anti-Israel, and anti-American.” (In fairness, the ADL later changed its tune. After his release in 1990, Mandela met in Geneva with a number of American Jewish leaders, including ADL president Abe Foxman, who emerged to call the ANC leader “a great hero of freedom.”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25563.htm

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